2016 combine day three open thread

February 28th, 2016 | Written by Rob Staton

Today the defensive lineman and linebackers work out. I will update this post with the forty times and a few notes so keep checking back. Here are things to look out for:

— Which DE’s run a 1.5 10-yard split? That’s the elite bracket. Cliff Avril (1.50), Bruce Irvin (1.55) and Frank Clark (1.59) all ran in the 1.5’s.

— Which defensive tackles have the athleticism to work the pass rush at the next level? It’s a deep class for DT’s — but not necessarily for pass rushers. Can anyone separate with an athletic workout and a fast split?

— Are there any second or third tier linebackers with extreme speed? The Seahawks have looked for speed in the front seven and their last linebacker pick — Kevin Pierre-Louis — had a fantastic workout.

Players to monitor:

Shilique Calhoun
He’s 6-4, 251lbs and has 34 inch arms. At the 2008 combine, Cliff Avril measured at 6-3, 253lbs. Both players had underwhelming college careers in the Big-10. Avril was the #92 overall pick and the Seahawks own the #90 pick this year. Can Calhoun run a 4.51 like Avril with a split in the 1.5’s? If so, he could be on Seattle’s radar in rounds 2-3.

Austin Johnson
Incredible effort and mobility for his size. Johnson weighed in at 314lbs which is a bit lighter than the Senior Bowl. Underrated pass rush ability. Could easily work into the late first with a great workout here. Has the attitude Seattle loves.

Adolphus Washington
Arguably the best interior pass rusher among the DT’s, Washington had an inconsistent career at Ohio State. He has the length (34.5 inch arms) and similar physique and style to Malik Jackson. Can he put on a show today?

Vernon Butler
At 6-4, 323lbs and with 35 inch arms — he compares physically to Muhammad Wilkerson. On tape he’s a far weaker pass rusher. Wilkerson ran an impressive 4.96 with a 1.73 split at 315lbs. If Butler gets into that range teams will take notice.

Kevin Dodd
A one-year wonder at Clemson, Dodd has terrific size (6-5, 277lbs) and length (34 inch arms). On tape he doesn’t appear to have an explosive get-off so can he explode with a great split time and put in an athletic performance?

Emmanuel Ogbah
Like Dodd, Ogbah has ideal size and length (6-4, 273lbs, 35.5 inch arms) but his effort in college was below average. He blew hot and cold a lot and teams will need reassuring he can be an explosive edge rusher.

A’Shawn Robinson
He’s a bad dude — he looks about 33 years old already (he’s only 20). Robinson is built uniquely with minimal bad weight on a 6-4, 307lbs frame with 34.5 inch arms. He’s a Greek God. He’s passive on tape and needs to play with greater aggression at the next level.

Travis Feeney
Tall and productive in 2015, Feeney’s shoulder injuries could stall his pro-career before it even begins. If teams are comfortable with the medical checks he has a shot to make it in the NFL. He’s good on special teams and could contribute at linebacker in a rotation role initially. A good workout helps him.

Kyler Fackrell
He plays with his hair on fire and impacts games. He’ll get into the backfield and make life uncomfortable for a QB. He’s a bit of a tweener in terms of size. He’ll need to run a 1.5 split to get into contention.

Jordan Jenkins
He’s 6-3, 249lbs and has +34 inch arms. He didn’t look like a special athlete on tape but he’s a high character, high intensity edge rusher. Like Fackrell he needs to target the 1.5 split range.

Deion Jones
Lighter linebacker who moves well and plays the run. Had five sacks and a pick six in 2015, plus 99 tackles. Needs an explosive workout given his size.

Other names to keep an eye on: Jonathan Bullard (DT), Javon Hargrave (DT), Willie Henry (DT), Darius Latham (DT), Chris Jones (DT), Shaq Lawson (DE), Sheldon Rankins (DT), Jihad Ward (DE), Leonard Floyd (LB).

DL forty times & 10-yard splits (group 1)
Official times

Mehdi Abdesmad — 5.10 – 1.74
Sterling Bailey — 5.23 – 1.82
Jimmy Bean — DNP
Andrew Billings — 5.05 – 1.77
Ronald Blair — 5.15 – 1.75
Joey Bosa — 4.86 – 1.69
DeForest Buckner — 5.05 – 1.77
Jonathan Bullard — 4.93 – 1.66
Vernon Butler — 5.33 – 1.83
Shilique Calhoun — 4.82 – 1.69
Kenny Clark — 5.06 – 1.72
Maliek Collins — 5.03 – 1.77
Kamalei Correa — 4.69 – 1.63
James Cowser — 4.82 – 1.69
Sheldon Day — 5.07 – 1.69
Kevin Dodd — 4.86 – 1.70
Jason Fanaika — 4.92 – 1.68
Adam Gotsis — DNP
Javon Hargrave — 4.93 – 1.70
Joel Heath — 5.02 – 1.77
Willie Henry — 5.00 – 1.75
Matthew Ioannidis — 5.03 – 1.76
Branden Jackson — 5.06 – 1.75
Quinton Jefferson — 4.95 – 1.70
Austin Johnson — 5.32 – 1.86
Chris Jones — 5.03 – 1.70
Matt Judon — 4.73 – 1.66
Ufomba Kamalu — 5.01 – 1.74
Bronson Kaufusi — 4.87 – 1.70
Darius Latham — 5.32 – 1.90

Fletcher Cox in 2012 ran a 4.77 with a 1.65 split at 6-4, 297lbs. Seattle probably passed on him due to a 26 inch vertical. None of the big guys at 300lbs ran as well as this in group one.

Frank Clark, who they did draft, ran a 4.64 with a 1.59 split at 6-2 and 271lbs. Michael Bennett ran a 1.62 split as his pro day.

The first group confirmed what we really knew about the class. It’s deep — but mostly filled with big guys and not quick-twitch pass rushers.

Jonathan Bullard’s 1.66 split is the highlight of the first group — but he is lighter at 6-3, 285lbs.

The Seahawks drafted Jordan Hill in round three with a 1.75 split.

Bullard and Vernon Butler looked really quick in the bag drills. Great footwork, light on their feet.

Willie Henry, DeForest Buckner and Chris Jones looked nice and quick on the speed-to-power drills, striking the bags and rounding the edge. On the punch and shuffle, emphasising pad level and mobility, Andrew Billings looked terrific. Bullard received warm praise from the coaches for his effort but he looked a little tight in the hips. Kenny Clark and Willie Henry were naturally good in this drill. Chris Jones was quick but struggled to bend his knees and punch.

In the lateral agility test, Kamalei Correa looked really good — as did Willie Henry. Overall I think Henry is doing a great job. Vernon Butler moves very well for his size.

From group one, Henry, Jones, Correa, Bullard, Day and Clark probably did the most to help their stock.

DL forty times & 10-yard splits (group 2)
All prospects run twice, I included the best time below

Niles Lawrence-Stample — DNP
Shaq Lawson — 4.70 – 1.64
Dean Lowry — 4.88 – 1.70
Luther Maddy — DNP
Chris Mayes — 5.22 – 1.74
Alex McCalister — 4.80 – 1.68
Carl Nassib — 4.84 – 1.62
Giorgio Newberry — 4.94 – 1.74
Yannick Ngakoue — 4.75 – 1.65
Dadi Nicolas — 4.74 – 1.70
Robert Nkemdiche — 4.87 – 1.68
Shawn Oakman — 4.96 – 1.74
Victor Ochi — 4.85 – 1.60
Emmanuel Ogbah — 4.62 – 1.59
Romeo Okwara — 4.90 – 1.74
Drew Ott — DNP
D.J. Pettway — 4.99 – 1.69
Sheldon Rankins — 5.03 – 1.74
D.J. Reader — 5.33 – 1.84
Jarrad Reed — 5.21 – 1.80
Hassan Ridgeway — 5.02 – 1.72
A’Shawn Robinson — 5.19 – 1.79
DeVaunte Sigler — 5.15 – 1.83
Noah Spence — 4.80 – 1.62
Charles Tapper — 4.59 – 1.59
Lawrence Thomas — 4.98 – 1.73
Ron Thompson — 4.92 – 1.70
Vincent Valentine — 5.19 – 1.78
Jihad Ward — 5.11 – 1.77
Adolphus Washington — 5.17 – 1.80
Connor Wujciak — 4.91 – 1.70
Anthony Zettel — 4.81 – 1.66

Now we’re talking. Emmanuel Ogbah, who met with the Seahawks in Indianapolis, ran a 1.5 split at 273lbs. Carl Nassib had a 1.62 at 277lbs. That’s more like it.

Charles Tapper a 1.59 with a 4.59? At 271lbs, 6-3 and 34.5 inch arms. Fantastic. I’m buying whatever he’s selling.

This was a good second group. Ogbah had 13 sacks in 2015, Nassib 15.5 and Tapper seven. Production + athleticism + grit usually works for Seattle. All three ran well with the necessary 10-yard split to be interesting.

Ogbah’s effort on tape is inconsistent. He had a 10-1 broad and a 35.5 inch vertical.

It was a disappointing performance by Noah Spence — a 4.80 and only a 1.62 split. It’s decent but not great for a guy his size. Spence is a one-dimensional guy — he has to win with speed. He didn’t light it up here.

Adolphus Washington had a poor run. Sheldon Rankins’ was decent but not great.

Shaq Lawson can be pretty satisfied with his run considering he’s not a speed guy (4.70, 1.64 split).

Ogbah and Rankins looked very smooth in the agility drills. Spence shone here with a great back pedal. Tapper is wowing everyone here. Another terrific drill — quick feet, changes direction nicely. Intense. Nassib doesn’t move as well in space with change of direction. More of a straight-line guy.

Ogbah is in fantastic shape. Nice, long frame. Moved around the bags well enough. Sheldon Rankins showed good balance and movement. A’shawn Robinson stumbled over the bags. Spence looked good — while Tapper again looked tremendous. Big movements, shifting around the bags.

Tony Pauline has just posted a piece suggesting the Seahawks are targeting Germain Ifedi in the late first round. He fits their size ideal at right tackle or left guard.

Power-to-speed drills — Ogbah looking real fluid again. Great workout. Smacked the bags and gets round the edge with burst. I didn’t expect to be this impressed with Ogbah.

Hassan Ridgeway was good in the punch drills. Nice bend and arm extension. Power. What a surprise — Tapper looked great again. Perhaps could’ve used a little more knee bend (a coach highlighted it) but he had great power and balance. He just looks great.

Tapper even looked good running linebacker drills in space.

Some of the D-line vertical jumps were awful today to go with some mediocre times. We’ll get into this in the review piece later.

LB forty times & 10-yard splits
All prospects run twice, I included the best time below

Dominique Alexander — DNP
Devante Bond — 4.70 – 1.64
Kentrell Brothers — 4.89 – 1.73
Beniquez Brown — 4.76 – 1,72
De’Vondre Campbell — 4.58 – 1.65
Su’a Cravens — DNP
Steven Daniels — 4.86 – 1.68
Kyler Fackrell — 4.72 – 1.63
Travis Feeney — 4.50 – 1.59
Leonard Floyd — 4.60 – 1.60
Josh Forrest — 4.91 – 1.72
Kris Frost — 4.97 – 1.74
B.J. Goodson — 4.69 – 1.61
Myles Jack — DNP
Jordan Jenkins — 4.80 – 1.64
C.J. Johnson — 4.81 – 1.71
Deion Jones — 4.59 – 1.60
Raphael Kirby — 4.73 – 1.64
Nick Kwiatkoski — DNP
Darron Lee — 4.47 – 1.55
Cory Littleton — 4.73 – 1.66
Steve Longa — 4.78 – 1.68
Curt Maggitt — DNP
Blake Martinez — 4.71 – 1.61
Tyler Matakevich — 4.81 – 1.66
Cassanova McKinzy — DNP
Jared Norris — 4.80 – 1.65
Montese Overton — 4.61 – 1.59
Gionni Paul — 5.05 – 1.74
Joshua Perry — 4.68 – 1.65
Reggie Ragland — 4.72 – 1.66
Joe Schobert — 4.76 – 1.63
Jaylon Smith — DNP
Terrance Smith — 4.76 – 1.66
Eric Striker — 4.80 – 1.69
Nick Vigil — 4.71 – 1.62
Stephen Weatherly — 4.60 – 1.59
Scooby Wright III — 4.90 – 1.67

Decent time for Kyler Fackrell who ran a 1.63 split. Great time for Travis Feeney too with a 1.59 and 4.50. He also had a 10-10 in the broad jump and a 40-inch vertical. That’s Seahawky. Leonard Floyd had a nice 1.60.

204 Responses to “2016 combine day three open thread”

  1. Jacob says:

    What about Robert nkemdiche? I don’t know his exact size but he is huge over 300 pounds and he is always in the back field although I’m not sure how great he is against the run (something the seahawks are very fond at stopping) but he has the potential to be unstoppable at the next level. What are your thoughts?

  2. Ukhawk says:

    No one even close to 1.5 but these are some amazing 10 yd splits for 300lb guys; and so many in the 1.7 range!

  3. Ukhawk says:

    I think Ndemdiche could go sub 1.6

  4. Martin says:

    Bang that drum… Quinten Jefferson bang bang bang.

  5. Trevor says:

    Matt Judon is a small school guy we should keep an eye on. He has had a great combine so far.

    • GeoffU says:

      Yep, should look into him. At 275 his 10-yd split wasn’t bad. Best of the group so far, taking in account his weight. At Bennett’s pro day he was 266 (not the 275 he is today).

  6. Trevor says:

    Looking back on it Frank Clark really is a freak athlete! I can wait to see him break out this year. I think he is going to be our next pro bowl defensive player.

  7. Trevor says:

    Really wish Justin Zimmer had gotten an invite to the combine.

    For anyone no familiar Zimmer is a small school DL prospect from Ferris St. who had a geat year and looks good on tape. He is 6-foot-3, 303-pound and is on youtube with some freakish strength.

    At the NFL regional combine he ran a 4.89 in the 40 and had a 33-inch vertical jump. Wish I could find his 10d split. Anyone know?

  8. Ukhawk says:

    Bullard had an impressive time for someone who’s not considered special by some

  9. Pugs1 says:

    Damn Chris Jones junk fell out while running his 40. That’s why he hit the deck!

  10. GerryG says:

    Rob, I’ve never posted here before, but just wanted to thank you for all the great work you do!! We really appreciate.

  11. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Not sure how important DT 10-split is to ARI, but Kamalai Correa’s 1.63 has to put him into contention for their R1 pick.

    • Mattk says:

      Definitely needs to be in the conversation. Personally I think he could play SAM and do what Seattle wants with the position which is mostly to play short zone coverage and hold the edge in the run game. Not something you need 4.5 speed to do, but you do need the minimal weight/strength to play there, which is why KJ wright was good to play there and even why Seattle would play Frank Clark and Cassius Marsh at the position during practice.

  12. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Alex MAlister with a 10’8″ broad jump!

  13. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Dadi Nicholas with a 41″ VJ!

  14. Trevor says:

    Rob I was thinking about the possibility of the Keanu Neal pick and the more I think about it the more I like it. If he performs well Monday who in front of us might take him? My initial thoughts were Atlanta who cut their safety Moore and Dan Quinn knows how important Kam was to the Hawks. The Steelers also as they certainly need safety help and have missed Troy P.

  15. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Unofficial 1.63 10split for Nassib on his first run.

    • lil'stink says:

      Much faster than I thought he would. Really impressive for a guy his size. I wonder if we will have any interest in him.

  16. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Unofficial 1.65 10split for Ngakoue

  17. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Ochi with a 5.32/2.11??? I guess we can eliminate him for SEA.

  18. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Wow Ogbah 1.59 10split!

  19. Trevor says:

    That Ogbah time is impressive. He certainly ticks the size, length, speed combo they look for in an Edge guy. Anyone know his Vert?

  20. matt says:

    The official 40 times are a bit lower across the board than what they’re being timed at. Some sub 1.7 10 yard splits from interior pass rushers: Bullard-1.66 Day-1.69 Hargrave, Jefferson, Jones and Kaufusi all ran 1.70 10YS and had a .01 lower official 40 time than unofficial.

    • Ignorant says:

      Javon Hargrave is very sexy.

      • Attyla the Hawk says:

        34.5″ vert. I don’t see a vert equal to that at 300+. His vert is equal to Nkemdiche/Rankins. Better than Spence.

        Washington who I though would be the #2 pass rush DT got a grisly 27″. That’s day 3 territory. He was destroyed by the combine.

        Austin Johnson and Chris Jones managed a pedestrian 26″ and 24.5″ at equivalent weight.

        Hargrave tested way better than I thought he would. Here’s how he rated amongst DTs that were 300+

        40: 1st
        10y: 1st
        Bench: 4th
        Vert: 1st
        Broad: 5th

        Will be interesting to see his SPARQ score. Especially since that metric is heavily influenced by size. He was virtually identical to Sheldon Rankins’ testing despite being 10 lbs heavier.

        That and he definitely sported the biggest/fattest Kardashian butt of the group. Dude carries his weight really low. Other than arm length, his physique really does look a lot like Cortez Kennedy.

  21. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Charles Tapper with a 4.59/1.59!!

  22. matt says:

    Tapper!!!

  23. Ukhawk says:

    Tapper < 1.6. Wow

  24. Greg haugsven says:

    Charles Tapper with a good time. 4.59 with a 1.59 split at 271. Dude has 11+ size hands.

  25. rowdy says:

    Across the board this is one of the slowest combines I can remember. I screams trade down to me or trade for a player again. I don’t see anyone trading up for a player available at are pick though. This could lead to a surprise pick in the first like s/rb/wr, we have to pick someone

    • Rob Staton says:

      Some elite DL speed in this second group though.

      • rowdy says:

        Spoke a little to soon but overall still a slow draft. I wonder if it’s a slow turf because the times aren’t matching the tape in a lot of cases. And who would of guessed tapper would have a better 10 yard split then spence. I have a strong feeling were going to hear a lot more talk of tapper from here on out

    • Hawksince77 says:

      Except you can get good s/rb/wr later in the draft (along with center/OG) but not pass rushers so much. The value is in the big fast DEs, especially if there are no elite pass-rushing DTs available. The puts these guys closer to the front of the 1st round line, I think.

  26. Hawksince77 says:

    From Rob above:

    “Now we’re talking. Emmanuel Ogbah, who met with the Seahawks in Indianapolis, ran a 1.5 split at 273lbs. Carl Nassib had a 1.63 at 277lbs. That’s more like it.”

    “Charles Tapper a 1.59 with a 4.59? At 271lbs, 6-3 and 34.5 inch arms. Fantastic. I’m buying whatever he’s selling.”

    Does that place these three players on the round 1 watch list?

    The first two look like traditional rush DEs, but Tapper looks (and reads) more like an Irvin replacement. Evolve into a SAM while beginning his career as a pass rush specialist. Thoughts?

  27. Josh says:

    Damn Tapper is fast. I wonder if that bumps him too high for us now. I watched a few OU games this year and he always stood out and with his size/speed he could probably be a high 2nd rd pick now.

  28. Trevor says:

    Tapper is a great character guy as well. Him and Striker basically carried that Oak defense. I knew he was pretty fast but that was incredibly impressive for a guy that size.

    • Mark says:

      I see reports that Tapper has ‘sickle cell trait’. That may affect his draft rating. I’d run to the podium if he was there at 56 and still in consideration at 26.

      • Volume12 says:

        You bring up a good point,

        He has to be have limited reps in practice and can only do so much because of the sickle cell.

        However, that would also give him a chip on his shoulder and motivation to prove peopke wrong.

        We’ve seen Seattle take a few prospects that have a physical or learning disability.

  29. Trevor says:

    Tapper and Odbah both had great runs and ae likely on the Hawks radar. I really prefer Tapper as a player and you never have to question his effort.

    • CHawk Talker Eric says:

      @CommishOnline: I know it’s hard, but stop judging Ogbah on a couple of sprints and go watch his tape on youtube. Just a hot and cold guy.

      • Volume12 says:

        That’s what was said about Mario Edwards, jr. last year too. And Jaye Howard.

        • CHawk Talker Eric says:

          And I could list a dozen names of guys that had great Combines but didn’t do anything in the pros.

          • Volume12 says:

            Very true.

            If we’re talking pass rushers for Seattle, 2 guys fit.

            Ogbah and Tapper. Both have sub 1.65 40’s and 10 yd splits under 1.60.

  30. Trevor says:

    Ogbah had great jumping #s as well. He is going to be the SPARQ winner I think.

  31. SunPathPaul says:

    With the TE/WR class being so-so, I feel personally that we should add BIG to our passing game through another Tight End.
    Yet, TE’s are horrible in the draft year after year. That’s why we went and got Jimmy Graham. Rarified Air there. He wasn’t the third most TD catcher between 2011-2013 for nothing!

    So how do we add BIG to TE without the Draft?

    Enter our Seahawk Brother Martellus Bennet! He is being traded.
    Trading a 3-6th for him would be an amazing addition that fits PERFECTLY in the TIMING of things…

    1st – Martellus is a good all around BLOCKING and catching TE!

    2nd – He would be INSURANCE for Jimmy Graham, and allow Jimmy to not feel he has to rush at all back…

    3rd- Adding Martellus would appease Michael Bennett to ‘some degree’… We all know he needs to be paid better, and this might be a feather in the cap of the GM…

    I know people will say Martellus is too expensive at $5.61 million next year, and with Jimmy having another $9 million cap hit is too much for the TE ‘group’… But please remember, and allow for this ‘fluidity’…

    Jimmy Graham, when healthy, is really a WR/TE Hybrid. The ONLY other WR we have money invested in is Doug Baldwin, who needs a nice extension this offseason. Adding Martellus in this scenario means letting Kearse go in FA. That money saved is converted from Kearse into Martellus Bennett…

    Now the logic goes that with Martellus being a Full-Rounded TE, Jimmy can play more and more as a flex wide out, motion guy, etc…

    With Martellus AND Jimmy an the field we can Run(Martellus Blocks well), or through seams/middle of the field to Jimmy…or put him out wide at WR…the mix and match/confusion principle would be worth the money spent!!

    So yes we would have the BEST TE group in the league!
    1 Martellus Bennett
    2 Jimmy Graham
    3 Luke Wilson
    4 Cooper Helfet (until Jimmy is ready)

    So the money saved on Kearse shifts into Martellus. The Jimmy money$ need to be thought of as split between TE/WR groups- which is what he is! That’s why he fought for WR money$ in New Orleans.

    This way, we can then draft another WR to replace Kearse that is WHATEVER we want, without ANY NEED for SIZE! We would have our size in Bennet/Wilson and the hybrid WR/TE Jimmy Graham…

    I would like us to draft ANOTHER Tyler Lockett/Doug Baldwin.
    FAST and with excellent ROUTE SAVY. Thus Tyler Boyd and Sterling Sharpe stand out to me…

    IMAGINE this: Tyler Lockett out wide. Baldwin in the Slot. Sharpe/Boyd out opposite wide. Martellus and Jimmy in the game.

    That is a NIGHTMARE for opposing teams…

    Oh, and add in the Dynamic Russell Wilson and Thomas Rawls!
    BINGO

    • Trevor says:

      The Bears released Bennett so you would not need to trade for him.

      • CHawk Talker Eric says:

        Also, he’ll want more money than SEA are willing to pay.

      • SunPathPaul says:

        Trevor, he has NOT been released. Thus, if we trade for him we at least have a year at $5.1 million…

        CHawk, as far as ‘too much money’, that is why I feel they should consider Jimmy’s $ as split between TE/WR ‘groups’. Thus spending 5-8 million on Martellus would not be a crazy idea, or too much. IMO

        Not for what he provides us. We wouldn’t need to draft a TE for YEARS!

        No takers, really?

        • Sea Mode says:

          Really depends how much money he wants. Even 5m is too much in my opinion.

          “We wouldn’t need to draft a TE for YEARS!” Um, he turns 30 this season… missed 5 games past season for injury.

          Plus you have to take into account that you would be stunting the growth of Luke Willson a bit as he would see the field much less.

          Martellus is a good player and I think you did a good job trying to give arguments, but I just don’t think he would improve our team as radically as you state and in my opinion Michael Bennett would probably actually discourage him from taking a paycut to come play here.

    • James says:

      Please just don’t let Pete/Bevell be the last.men on earth to realize Jimmy Graham is not an in-line TE. He is a pure H-back who can split wide. Let Russ call his own plays and have Jimmy wreak havoc on their safeties and ‘backers, the classic mis-match. Don’t let him be our mis-match trying to block to no avail.

  32. Nate says:

    With Ogbah having really good production in college and great numbers at the combine I think its safe to say he will be a guy we would be looking at at 26. I would include Billings there too but not as excited about him.

  33. Volume12 says:

    Give me Emmanuel Ogbah anydayof the week. This kid is unreal!

  34. MisterNeutron says:

    I was expecting a good performance from Tapper–of whom I took notice after watching a couple Oklahoma games last year–but damn, a 1.59/4.59 in the 40? I thought he’d do fairly well in the 40 and then shine in the other drills, but at his size that’s a terrific number.

    Months ago I thought that Tapper could be a good 3rd round pick-up for Seattle, but with that kind of performance he’s probably jumped into 2nd round territory, maybe even early-mid 2nd when taking everything into consideration–leadership, character, production, game film, production. (He also had 23 reps on the bench, for whatever that’s worth.)

    • MisterNeutron says:

      * I meant to write 3rd or 4th round pick-up for Seattle. Also, not sure about him going that early (early 2nd), but 2nd round could be a possibility.

      • Jake says:

        Honestly, after that performance I’d be at least mildly surprised if the Seahawks let him by at 26, if he’s even still there. I mean maybe the Hawks go out of their way to sign Okung now, hope that tapper is there early and then focus rounds 2-4 on the depth at interior OL and DL.

        • Volume12 says:

          Just me, but I’d rather have Ogbah.

          I’ll say this though. Couldn’t go wrong with Tapper either.

          Ogbah is more of a quik twitch EDGE, Tapper is power.

          • Jake says:

            Yeah I think part of my enthusiasm is I had seen Tapper described as someone stronger against the run, and I wasn’t really expecting the explosive numbers. If this rumor about Ifedi is true, maybe they look to try and find a guy like Tapper or one of these DTs in the second. Regardless, it seems like there should be a handful of viable options whenever they make their first pick and that’s exciting.

  35. Greg haugsven says:

    Even with Tappers numbers would thecHawks take him. He is basically Frank Clark who we just drafted. Not sure they would burn a high pick on a position they just drafted. Just a thought.

    • Greg haugsven says:

      I know you can never have enough pass rush though.

    • Volume12 says:

      I don’t get why people keep bringing this.

      But, their ok with Chris Long who is exactly the same size as Frank Clark.

      Seattle has appeared to go away from the under-sized DE’s. Get the guys that give you versatility.

      Tapper weighs 4 pounds, that’s it, more than Bruce Irvin.

    • Rob Staton says:

      NASCAR — Avril, Clark, Bennett, Ogbah…

      • Volume12 says:

        That’s scary man. Ogbah can also rush standing up.

      • Seahawcrates says:

        Which I shy you need the run stuffers, to get that NASCAR package on the field as much as possible, not just on odd third downs.

        • Volume12 says:

          Which they’ve consistently done.

          Rubin, Branch, K-Will, Jones, Red, Tony ‘take your lunch $’ McD (love that nickname BTW, Rob).

          Would it shock you if they lose ‘Bane or Tuba, and sign another plug and play vet? That’s worse case scenario, because IMO both will be back.

          Run stuffers can be had and found on day 3 and into UDFA.

          • Seahawcrates says:

            Yep. Their worth can easily be under appreciated. Don’t know what Mebane will expect. Refused the “offer” to lower his salary and presumably extend this year. He and Rubin were a medieval wall on first down.

  36. kevin mullen says:

    Shawn Oakman and A’Shawn Robinson would be my first two guys off the bus.

  37. Volume12 says:

    Did Chris Jones really run the 40 with his schlong hanging out, and then rugged burned it, as he fell to the turf?

  38. Michael M. says:

    That Joey Bosa interview was painful… He speaks like a 13 year old who just got asked if he has a girlfriend.

  39. BHarKnows says:

    Rob, what do you think of the Ifedi rumor that was posted? He’s a guy I feel like most people have been unimpressed with. Should I start preparing myself for another underwhelming Seahawks first round pick?

  40. GeoffU says:

    So for D-Lineman we’ve got the best:
    Tapper, Ogbah, Nassib.

    And a few maybe’s:
    Lawson, Bullard, Judon, Zettel

  41. EranUngar says:

    Carl Nassib just won’t go away….

    He caught my attention by leading the NCAA with 15.5 sacks this year. Add 19.5 TFLs, 6 forced fumbles and NFL bloodline (brother of Ryan Nassib, NYG QB) and he looks perfect. His intangibles seems off the charts – 2 times academic All-Big Ten, weight broom rat, intense team first practice player etc. etc. etc.

    Seems too perfect to be true right?

    Then comes the weird stuff – The guy walked on at Penn as a 6-6 215 pounds lanky guy who never started a game in his life in HS. He worked to put on 60 pounds and earned his coaches and teammates respect but hardly saw any action on the field till 2015. He finally gets his chance as a red shirt senior and lights up the stat board.

    He is obviously still very raw with just one year as a starter in his entire football life. Last year could be his peak or he could have just begun to show what he can be. This year could have been the greatest over achievement story ever or the beginning of a late bloomer turning into the beautiful swan he was meant to become.

    I have no idea. Just a crazy story….

    • bigDhawk says:

      Not impressed with his game tape. Does not present as quick twitch, not especially sudden, get off is underwhelming. His college stats are a little surprising to me, but they’re just college stats.

  42. seahawks509 says:

    This draft class seems like one of the more unathletic classes we’ve seen in a while. On the plus side it does seems like some of these players are technically better though.

  43. LantermanC says:

    I see that most people had Ogbah generally as a 2nd rounder, before, how high can he go now?
    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/1/22/10805972/2016-nfl-draft-top-100-big-board

    Also, to be honest, I’ve never even heard of Tapper before. He’s not on the above top 100. Where was he before and how much would he move up now?

    • Volume12 says:

      Ogbah is late 1st rounder, and Tapper is a late 2nd rounder.

      Tapper has been discussed here quite a bit my man.

      • Jarhead's Sokoli Bandwagon says:

        But seriously, how much capital can we realistically put into the pass rush over 3 years? Especially when we have so many othe deficiencies. Hill, Marsh, Clark, Avril, Bennett- plus trying to reestablish Irvin as a pass ruhing force. And to be looking at abother 2 pass rushers early in this draft? I think you CAN have too many pass rushers, especially when we desperately OL and back half help on defense. I wouldn’t want another pass rush soecialist early this year. Unless he does another thing well and pass rushing is just another facet of his game. Unless it one of the top 2 pass rushing DTs. Because that has solid impact value. In the first 2 frames, I would prefer a pass rushing DT, a C, a T, or a back 7 box guy like Neal (not Jones). No pure guards or edge rushers that early for me. We need versatility this year. I think that should be key

        • Attyla the Hawk says:

          I would say Seattle has tried to add pass rush every single offseason.

          It’s a quality you can’t have enough of. We’re not the only team that loads up on it every single year.

          A good defense probably needs close to 6 guys capable of doing it well. In order to have sufficient depth at that role by the end of a typical season.

          I’d say 3 deep at edge. 3 deep at interior. If you can get above that even better.

          It’s not a stretch to think it cost us a second SB title. Losing Hill and then Avril in the title game. It’s a function that if you are going to win with defense — you have to be very deep at.

          Seattle doesn’t win throwing for 350-400 yards a game. Our defense is a react and tackle defense. Which means teams can methodically march down the field on us by design. The defense gets off the field by forcing errors or by sacks. If we can’t do that, we get what we saw last year in spurts: Long TD drives to lose games.

          You could look at the last three SB teams. None of them had great OLs. Carolina probably had the best of the 6 teams — but they were fantastically flawed at OT which was a matchup nightmare that cost them a title.

          Seattle wins with defense. Pass rush is absolutely paramount to doing that. It’s still our recipe and until Pete leaves or abandons that philosophy — it won’t change.

  44. Volume12 says:

    So, if the Tony Pauline rumors are indeed true (why not), I got Germain Ifedi or Emmanuel Ogbah in round 1, and either Charles Tapper or Connor McGovern in round 2.

    Ogbah is incredibly fluid. This kid’s potential is through the roof!

    • bigDhawk says:

      Ifedi all the way.

    • Attyla the Hawk says:

      Ifedi looks good in testing.

      I will review his tape but the testing numbers don’t really impact the issues I saw with him. Grit/nastiness was virtually non existent with him. He didn’t finish well at all and I think that’ll be a big knock on him as the process continues.

      You can judge for yourself. But I’d suggest you note how he maintains his blocks and remains a factor in plays. Seems he has a 2 second timer in his head where beyond that he’s just done with the play and ready to get back to the huddle. Doesn’t show a lot of desire to play to the whistle at all. A real observer on the field instead of a participant at the end of plays.

      Maybe I’m being harsh with him. I’ll have to try to dig in deeper given this rumor. Athleticism certainly matches.

  45. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Has it occurred to anyone that maybe SEA intentionally floated the Ifedi rumor to influence their negotiations with Okung?

    • Volume12 says:

      It did not. But, I like your line of thinking.

      Ifedi would fit what they like in their LG’s, if they kept Okung.

      • CHawk Talker Eric says:

        Okung and Ifedi on the left sounds very intriguing.

        • AlaskaHawk says:

          I thought Ifedi was pretty stiff and slow laterally? I know you will say he is only a guard, but he sounds like a 2nd round pick to me.

          • Volume12 says:

            Ifedi is not only a G. He might be a RT, but could definetly play there in a pinch.

            If you only have say 20 players or so ranked as a 1st rounder, and nonbe of those gus are on the board, your going to get 2nd round talent.

            • AlaskaHawk says:

              Just read Robs new blog about Ifedi. Sounds like someone that would fit fine at tackle or guard. I’m all in if he is available.

    • Rob Staton says:

      No, because everything Tony has said about the Seahawks for two straight years has come true.

      • Trevor says:

        Based on his accuracy in the past I think you have to certainly listen when he says something. I am certain he is at least high on their board.

    • Seahawcrates says:

      Okung would be a pretty weak negotiator for such a tactic to have an impact. And the Seahawks would have to have a low opinion of him at the table to believe it would work. I haven’t seen evidence of either.

      • williambryan says:

        I agree. I think JS will negotiate respectfully with Okung. And Okung is surely aware that they could take a LT at 26 but he also knows that he was a #6 pick for good reason.

    • Steele says:

      Chawk, I hope your suspicion is right and Ifedi is a fake rumor. He wouldn’t be a terrible option, but where he goes (low rd.1 to mid rd. 2?), they would miss on players who I think are better.

  46. Volume12 says:

    What did DJ Pettway measure in at?

  47. Dylan says:

    Feeney is sparqing hard!

    • Volume12 says:

      Yes he is.

      And Minnesota OLB De’Vondre Campbell is, gasp, ‘Seahawky’ man.

      I like him.

      • MisterNeutron says:

        Campbell was on my list of higher-upside, later-round developmental guys. I watched film on him and wasn’t too impressed, but the athleticism is there. He flashes at times. Would not complain if they took him in a later round.

  48. RWIII says:

    Rob. I am really curious. How would Tony Pauline know who the Seahawks are targeting in the first round. Or any round for that matter.

    • Volume12 says:

      He told us they liked Ty Sambrailo and Terry Poole. Selected one and the other was a VMAC visitor. Check.

      Also said that Seattle would draft 2 OL in the 4th round. Check.

  49. bobbyk says:

    A 4.72 for Fackrell in his first run (unofficial).

    • bobbyk says:

      Deion Jones 4.59.

      • Jarhead's Sokoli Bandwagon says:

        And people were saying he should be our first round pick. That never was something I thought was remotely close to a good idea. There definitely look to be a lot of later round prospects who offer better athleticism at better size. Hopefully this squashes the Jones bandwagon. Although, I am also suspect to use out 1st round selection on a LG. I think that would be a spot better acquired via FA. I want a T or a C In the first if we are going O Line

        • bobbyk says:

          Some of the players with the better measurables don’t play as fast on tape though. Judging guys with the pads on is better than watching them in their underwear, imo.

  50. Dylan says:

    Feeney w a 4.5 forty, 10’10 broad and 40 vert. Really hope his shoulders check out cause he is an exciting player.

    • Volume12 says:

      Just a thouroughly unique prospect.

      One of my favorite LB’s in this class.

    • Trevor says:

      Freeny has had an incredible workout today and I would love to see him as a mid round pick. The injuries are still a concern but this kid can play too. He is not just an athlete.

      • Volume12 says:

        He’s definetly worth a 4th or 5th IMO.

        • Attyla the Hawk says:

          Have to think so.

          Was a very impactful player for Washington. Didn’t expect this kind of athleticism.

          Really a wonderful chess piece kind of player athletically. A guy who just seems to be a jack of all trades kind of prospect. Wonder if that hurt him somewhat in the evaluation process.

          This draft seems so good in the R2 through R5 range. Headliner talent seems missing. But dang if there isn’t some really good players filling out the meat of this draft.

  51. Volume12 says:

    Not a good EDGE class at all.

    And some of the vertical jumps for the D-lineman will be much better come the pro days.

  52. bobbyk says:

    Fackrell didn’t “wow,” but he didn’t disappoint.

    When I look back at Shaq Lawson and compare their numbers, the numbers say Lawson is faster and quicker but there is absolutely no way he’s faster and quicker than Fackrell on tape. However, he’s so much more powerful.

    The nice thing with Pete is that he can take either player who are essentially different players and yet then fit them in at Leo. Maybe we’ll get Clem replaced one day. One of these two could do it.

    Rob – think there’s a chance Fackrell could be there with our #2 pick?

  53. Ignorant says:

    Kyler Fackrell available at 56?

  54. milwaukeehawk says:

    Anyone with insight on Stephen Weatherly from Vanderbuilt? Worked out as OLB, but look at the guy’s measurables: 6’4”, 267 lbs, 34.5″ arm length, ran a 4.61 with 1.59 split. Seems like just from athlete point of view late round flyer. Listed as 34th OLB on nfldraftcountdown.

  55. Spotlight10 says:

    Feeney pops 2 separate 4.5 forty’s, has a 40″ vert and they barely mention his name on NFL Network other than he’s lean and a special teams player?? The kid is 6’4″ 244 and has played S, LB and Buck and I guarantee he can put on more weight and keep his speed. These “experts” are jocking a bunch of other stiffs with half the measurables…Mayock is a joke.

    You’ve got to think Feeney is opening some eyes in Renton.

    Rob…great site!!

  56. RWIII says:

    Germain Ifedi is the type of player that John Schneider would target. He may or may not be the ACTUAL player JS is targeting. BTW I read Ifedi’s scouting report. He looks more like a left guard in Seattle’s zone blocking system. There is a lot to like about Ifedi. Ifedi can also play right tackle. He probably is NOT a candidate for left tackle.

    • bigDhawk says:

      I think he has the ‘nasty’ and athleticism to take over at RG. He could be at least as good as Breno was in our SB year, and that’s miles better than anything we have right now. Right now I’m leaning toward filling LG with a FA vet who can work better with the center on interior pass pro.

  57. CharlieTheUnicorn says:

    Darron Lee — 4.47 – 1.56

    He clearly earned himself some money today. Solidified getting picked in the first round. Everything you would look for and want in a LB.

  58. Ehurd1021 says:

    A lot of talk right now that Jaylon Smith might drop out of the first round – or make it deep enough into the 1st for us to snag him. Does anyone think the Seahawks might take a chance on Smith he falls in the 1st? I don’t see why we wouldn’t just based on his talent alone. The only legit reason I could see us passing on Smith is that we have too many needs to draft a kid that might need a full year, or possibly 2, to fully recover and get back to form.

  59. MisterNeutron says:

    Darron Lee looks exceptional. I’ve seen several mocks that have Lee in the late first/early second, but I doubt he’ll last much past 20. If he’s there at 26, would Seattle pull the trigger? He could easily be the best guy available there. Joshua Perry was pretty fast, and with his body of collegiate work looks like a solid 2nd or 3rd round pick for someone.

    On a SPARQy note, has anyone seen the SPARQ and z-score numbers for WRs over at Three Sigma Athlete? Josh Doctson is in the 93-94% range, while Devon Cajuste would be close to 90% for a TE. Chris Moore (of whom I’ve been a fan since the single Cincinnati game I watched) is #5 overall. Ricardo Louis, Trevor Davis, Sterling Shepard, and Marquez North are also way up there.

    • Ehurd1021 says:

      Darron Lee’s height is going to be a issue for Seattle. He is a fantastic athlete, plays hard and aggressive but that height might be too much for Seattle to overlook. KPL for example is 6’1,” Irvin is 6’3.”

    • Volume12 says:

      Really like WR Ricardo Louis.

  60. bdawg17 says:

    Rob, not sure if this has been brought up l, however I’ve got to ask. What are your thoughts on Shawn Oakman being converted to a LT? I’m sure it would be a ton of work, and potentially hard to use a 4th or 5th rounder, or something earlier than a 6th or 7th on a conversion project. But man, the measurables… they’re all there

    • bigDhawk says:

      If he can’t figure out how to tackle the QB, he’ll never be able to figure out how to protect one. He doesn’t have the lower body to play OL, either. Right now he is what his scouting profile says he is – an edge-setting, run stuffing DE. But if he ever figures out how to pass rush, then watch out.

  61. Ehurd1021 says:

    Not sure if his name has been mentioned but after today’s combine a player flashed too me…. Montese Overton out of East Carolina (6’2″/223/32inch arms.) Overton ran a 4.61 today as well and he looked very athletic and fast in his drills. Interested to see what your guys opinions are on him because he looks like a possible Bruce Irvin replacement to me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RFkZkmemns

  62. Rik says:

    Darron Lee — 4.47 – 1.55

    Are you kidding me? That’s faster than the vast majority of wide receivers out there!

  63. Nate says:

    Yeah Darron Lee is another guy I would love to have.

  64. TannerM says:

    I was just watching a tape of Tapper vs Alabama back in the 2014 Sugar Bowl. Second play of the game, and Tapper chases Amari Cooper down after a big gain. Sure, Cooper had a small stumble to slow himself down, but to watch a player whose jersey number was in the nineties track down a wide receiver after fifty yards was insane.