I will update this post with highlights of the day. I’ll write a review article at the conclusion of the workouts.
Today the quarterbacks, receivers and tight ends go through drills. We also get to find out defensive back measurements. Keep an eye out for cornerbacks with +32 inch arms — Seattle’s threshold for length.
Here are some of the names to look out for:
Marquez North (WR, Tennessee)
Kenny Lawler (WR, California)
Charone Peake (WR, Clemson)
Will Fuller (WR, Notre Dame)
Corey Coleman (WR, Baylor)
Rashard Higgins (WR, Colorado State)
Kolby Listenbee (WR, TCU)
Malcolm Mitchell (WR, Georgia)
Demarcus Robinson (WR, Florida) — awful catching technique
Duke Williams (WR, Auburn) — character flags
Michael Thomas (WR, Ohio State)
Tyler Higbee (TE, Western Kentucky)
Assuming the Seahawks won’t take a receiver early — North and Lawler are two of the players I’m going to focus on the most.
Quarterback forty yard dashes
Russell Wilson ran an official 4.55 in 2012.
Vernon Adams — 4.83
Brandon Allen — 4.84
Trevone Boykin — 4.77
Jacoby Brissett — 4.94
Connor Cook — 4.79
Brandon Doughty — 5.22
Jeff Driskel — 4.56
Jared Goff — 4.82
Christian Hackenburg — 4.78
Paxton Lynch had a 36 inch vertical. That equals Andrew Luck’s effort in 2012. Cam Newton managed a 35 inch vertical in 2011.
Kevin Hogan — 4.78
Cardale Jones — 4.81
Cody Kessler — 4.89
Paxton Lynch — 4.86
Dak Prescott — 4.79
Joel Stave — 4.80
Nate Sudfeld — DNP
Carson Wentz — 4.77
Josh Woodrum — 4.80
During the NFL Network broadcast there was a technical issue. Chris Rose, unaware his microphone was live, dubbed Carson Wentz, “the next former Browns QB”. Woops…
NFL Network accidentally airs its own analysts mocking QB prospect at the combine https://t.co/vctNuoaHI4 pic.twitter.com/wXSSLoMlBd
— Deadspin (@Deadspin) February 27, 2016
Defensive back weigh in notes
It might be time to forget about Eli Apple and Mackensive Alexander. Both players have just under 31.5 inch arms — below Seattle’s 32 inch threshold.
Here’s a list of some of the key names. I will include any defensive backs with +32 inch arms in bold.
Eli Apple — 6-0, 199lbs, 31.5 inch arms
Mackensie Alexander — 5-10, 190lbs, 31.5 inch arms
Vonn Bell — 5-10, 199lbs, 32.5 inch arms
James Bradberry — 6-0, 211lbs, 33 inch arms
Artie Burns — 6-0, 193lbs, 33 inch arms
Jeremy Cash — 6-0, 212lbs, 32.5 inch arms
Sean Davis — 6-1, 201lbs, 31.5 inch arms
Deandre Elliott — 6-0, 188lbs, 32 inch arms
Kendall Fuller — 5-11, 187lbs, 31.5 inch arms
T.J. Green — 6-2, 209lbs, 32 inch arms
Deiondre Hall — 6-1, 199lbs, 34.5 inch arms
Vernon Hargreaves — 5-10, 204lbs, 30.5 inch arms
Xavien Howard — 6-1, 201, 31 inch arms
William Jackson — 6-0, 189lbs, 32 inch arms
Cyrus Jones — 5-10, 197lbs, 31.5 inch arms
Karl Joseph — 5-10, 205lbs, 32 inch arms
Jayron Kearse — 6-4, 216lbs, 34 inch arms
Miles Killebrew — 6-2, 217lbs, 32 inch arms
Jordan Lomax — 5-10, 202lbs, 32 inch arms
Harlan Miller — 6-0, 182lbs, 31.5 inch arms
Jalen Mills — 6-0, 191lbs, 31 inch arms
Eric Murray — 5-10, 199lbs, 32 inch arms
Keanu Neal — 6-0, 211lbs, 33 inch arms
Jaylen Ramsey — 6-1, 209lbs, 33.5 inch arms
Will Redmond — 5-11, 182lbs, 30.5 inch arms
Rashard Robinson — 6-1, 171lbs, 32 inch arms
Keivarae Russell — 6-0, 192lbs, 32 inch arms
Zack Sanchez — 5-11, 185lbs, 31.5 inch arms
Justin Simmons — 6-2, 203lbs, 32.5 inch arms
Darian Thompson — 6-2, 208lbs, 30.5 inch arms
D.J. White — 5-11, 193lbs, 31.5 inch arms
Brandon Williams — 5-11, 197lbs, 32.5 inch arms
Daryl Worley — 6-0, 204lbs, 33.5 inch arms
Of course Keanu Neal has identical size to Deone Bucannon and 33 inch arms. Of course he does. Legit first round talent. Neal is 6-0, 211lbs, has vines for arms and enormous 10.5 inch hands.
Daryl Worley — 33.5 inch arms at 6-0 and 204lbs. Intriguing.
Vernon Hargreaves confirmed he’s almost certainly exclusively a slot receiver. He has 30.5 inch arms at 5-10 and 204lbs. It’s a bad comparison, but people talk about him in the same breath as Joe Haden. Apart from major technical superiority, Haden also had 33 inch arms.
Xavien Howard failed the 32 inch arm test. William Jackson’s arms are 31 and 3/4 inches — so I rounded it up. He’s borderline.
Wide receiver forty times
Jermaine Kearse ran a 4.58 but was undrafted, while Paul Richardson and Tyler Lockett both ran 4.40’s.
Official times group one:
Bralon Addison — 4.66
Geronimo Allison — 4.67
Demarcus Ayers — 4.72
Tyler Boyd — 4.58
Chris Brown — DNP
Aaron Burbridge — 4.56
Devon Cajuste — 4.62
Leonte Carroo — 4.50
Corey Coleman — DNP
Pharoh Cooper — DNP
Cody Core — 4.47
Trevor Davis — 4.42
Josh Doctson — 4.50
D.J. Foster — 4.57
Will Fuller — 4.32
Keyarris Garrett — 4.53
Rashard Higgins — 4.64
Johnny Holton — 4.54
Cayleb Jones — 4.65
Kenny Lawler — 4.64
Roger Lewis — 4.57
Kolby Listenbee — 4.35
Group one above put in some pretty unimpressive times. Not a lot of speed on show here.
No surprise that during the drills Tyler Boyd looked like the most natural receiver. Josh Doctson was a close second. Brandon Allen looked good throwing the ball along with the usual suspects in the first group of QB’s (Goff, Cook). Christian Hackenburg had issues with accuracy and was all over the place. Poor showing.
Doctson had a 41 inch vertical and a 10-11 broad jump. Great day for him.
Sterling Shepard also had a 41 inch vertical. Corey Coleman managed a 40.5, Marquez North a 35 and Michael Thomas a 35. Laquon Treadwell jumped 33 inches, Will Fuller 33.5 inches and De’runnya Wilson a terrible 28 inches.
Coleman had a 10-9 in the broad jump, Fuller a 10-6 and North a 10-3.
Ricardo Louis — 4.43
Byron Marshall — DNP
Jalin Marshall — 4.60
Mekale McKay — 4.55
Braxton Miller — 4.50
Malcolm Mitchell — 4.45
Chris Moore — 4.53
Marquez North — 4.48
Jordan Payton — 4.47
Charone Peake — 4.45
Demarcus Robinson — 4.59
Alonzo Russell — 4.54
Rashawn Scott — DNP
Hunter Sharp — 4.58
Tajae Sharpe — 4.55
Sterling Shepard — 4.48
Nelson Spruce — 4.69
Michael Thomas –4.57
Laquon Treadwell — DNP
Duke Williams — 4.72
De’Runnya Wilson — 4.85
Marquez North’s unofficial 4.49 is excellent at 6-2 and 223lbs. Demarcus Robinson looks fast on tape but only ran a 4.59. His catching technique is horrendous. Duke Williams ran a pitiful 4.73. Not good. De’Runya Wilson ran a 4.90. What the…?
Cardale Jones hurt himself during the forty yard dash.
North looked really good in the gauntlet and drills — shows his hands to the QB and caught nearly everything. Sterling Shepard looks so natural out there — the comparisons to Tyler Lockett will continue to be made.
Malcolm Mitchell made a ridiculous one-handed catch on a Paxton Lynch throw during drills.
Carson Wentz looked really good throwing the ball but did have a couple of poor efforts. His footwork looked very good. Nate Sudfeld had a nightmare. Paxton Lynch grew into the day and started to look very comfortable.
Tight end forty yard dash
Jerrell Adams — 4.66 & 4.64
Stephen Anderson — DNP
Ben Braunecker — 4.79 & 4.72
Thomas Duarte — 4.72 & 4.73
David Grinnage — 4.90 & 4.92
Temmarick Hemingway — 4.82 & 4.71
Hunter Henry — DNP
Tyler Higbee — DNP
Austin Hooper — 4.73 & 4.72
Ryan Malleck — DNP
Jake McGee — DNP
David Morgan — 5.04 & 5.02
Beau Sandland — 4.79 & 4.74
Nick Vannett — DNP
Bryce Williams — 4.96 & 4.94
For no known reason, the biggest names in the TE class chose not to run.
Rob, I have my eyes on Marquez as well, hopefully so do the Hawks. A 4.54 40 would be nice. A 4.49 would be fantastic. Regardless, he would be a perfect fit in the WR group for the Hawks. He’ still my 7th Rd steal of the draft.
Realistically, 4.63 would would work.
Peake was getting a ton off buzz at the Senior Bowl but his injury history might be a bit of a concern. Any thoughts on Geronimo Allison as a Seahawk? He almost sounds like a taller, skinnier version of Jermaine Kearse.
Just saw Allison’s forty time – ugh. Perhaps if he were an UDFA, then.
Too slow for the Seahawks IMO.
Allison looks faster on tape.
Many of the WRs are coming in slower than I’d expect, its weird.
Peake looks like the perfect 3rd round WR for Seattle. CBS has him going in the 5th. He sounds better than that:
STRENGTHS: Peake has everything the NFL looks for in a wide receiver. He has excellent size at 6-foot-3. He’s big bodied, strong and runs well for his size. Peake has excellent ball skills, hand-eye coordination and can make the difficult catches look easy. Peake’s a good route runner that easily creates separation. He has soft hands and can beat a defense deep or work the middle or intermediate areas very successfully. In the run game Peake’s a big asset and a quality blocker on the edge.
Adding a 4.46 forty seems to solidify his potential, IMO.
Has everything the NFL looks for …. except the drops.
Doesn’t he drop like 1 out of every 10 passes? That’s frustrating.
I don’t know, perhaps so. Anyway, here is the rest of the CBS write-up, and they don’t mention drops, but in fact, talk about the quality of his hands:
WEAKNESSNESS: Despite the wealth of talent of what was in front of him at Clemson you still wonder why Peake didn’t have a better overall career, despite the ACL injury in 2013. He has to learn to play and practice with consistency, which really started to show in 2015, his best year as a Tiger.
IN OUR VIEW: Peake should rise up the draft charts over the next few months. He will test well and this is coming off his best season as a Tiger. He has size, athleticism and good hands. Clemson has had their share of wide receiver talent like Watkins, Hopkins, Martavis Bryant and Mike Williams. He will be another name to add from this group.
And if he is less than perfect now, that bodes well for finding him in the 3rd or 4th round.
Like Martavis Bryant.
I thought Bryant’s drop in the draft was due in part to character red flags.
Seems like some slow times so far
Fuller has to be an option, that’s field tilting speed.
Josh Doctson – 4.54 with his ball skills. I’ll take it
Think he and Burbridge both acquitted themselves nicely for guys who weren’t expected to be burners. Some of these times are pretty disappointing.
Oh man these 40’s as a group are very disappointing.
4.51 2nd attempt. I like it
Rob, could you get a read on Cook? His rise may prompt a potential trading partner for the Hawks @ 26. Also, any interviews with Coleman by the Hawks?
Problem for the Hawks will be — they pick before Green Bay. Why would any team need to get ahead of GB to get a QB?
I was thinking that SD & Dallas both have veteran QBs and may not pick one in the 1st Rd. SD could take Bosa and Dallas taking Jack. A hot QB might peak their interest, SD in particular since they pick after Dallas.
After the Dallas in the 2nd Rd.
Impressed by Listenbee’s numbers. Dude is still rehabbing.
He’s a long strider – more top speed than acceleration. I don’t know how much more his 40 time could improve.
Nothing wrong with a 4.40 however.
looks like they bumped it down to 4.35
Any opposition for Hawks to use that 3rd round comp pick on Jaylon Smith if he’s still available? Redshirt him the entire 2016 season and get him ready for the next?
Yes. Ask SF if they’d take Lattimore again.
Looks like he might have possible long term nerve damage according to this San Diego doctor, but I would have to put the trust in their medical team on this one. But the potential should he recover…
https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/703010337851777024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
That is horrible news for him. It gives you some perspective on why some of the bigger prospects might be seen as “coasting” through their college careers. Clowney and Nkemdiche come to mind.
Really depends on how the team’s medical staff views the medical. Already, one doctor has opined that there’s an excellent chance at a full recovery, while another says it’s a 10% chance of full recovery
That would be great! However, I think he will be gone by the time the Hawks pick in the 3rd.
Yes but if the Hawks redshirt him and he makes a full recovery you basically snag a top 10 talent with a 3rd RD pick. The upside is huge, such tremendous value. And if he never plays 100% again you took a swing on a great talent and missed in the 3rd RD.
I was wondering in prior threads if questions at the combine about how soon Smith would be able to play might push him back to 26. This was much worse news. If the Seattle doctors believe he will make a full recovery after one redshirt season, then he would be a steal. But, if the odds of a full recovery are unclear, then I would not take him before the 4th.
I like seeing a bunch of the CB names in bold. Is Artie Burns like a round 2-3 guy?
Definitely in that range.
Deiondre Hall….34.5″ arms? Holy crap!
What’s the hand size? If he’s got “Burger King Hands” than his arms are just a waste!
9 3/4″
For discussion’s sake, how so? I’m pretty sure interceptions is a very small benefit of arm length, the top two being for the ability to redirect and to tip balls, the majority of which aren’t reasonably possible to just snag for a pick.
He has wingspan of like a 6-10 guy
The game tape I’ve seen of him is terrible, though. Not a hard hitter, not a willing tackler, kind of soft and ‘noodly’, so to speak. UDFA project at best.
I am surprised because he started at linebacker as a freshman. Hard imagine him not being a willing tackler. I agree his technique needs a ton of work but if he runs well today with a 4.55 or less he will be a 3rd-4th rounder at worst IMO with those physical traits.
Where did you see the game tape I have been trying to get some on him. All I have to go on is some hi light clips and the Senior Bowl.
My apologies. For some reason I had Michigan RS Senior CB and Stanford transfer Wayne Lyons on the brain, and somehow got the two players confused. If you are looking for Deiondre Hall video, he has there on draftbreakdown, found here.
“three on draftbreakdown” instead of “there on draftbreakdown”.
Deiondre Hall will be a Seahawks!
I went and read a couple articles after seeing rose insane arms….some view as a safety. Looks like a Seahawk redline winning corner in the 4th rd
Cody Core has nice size, good hands. Too bad he’s not very sudden.
Josh Doctson and Tyler Boyd are both solid.
Also Lawler.
Core kind of came out of nowhere at Ole Miss. They spread the ball around a bunch so numbers won’t impress but he did make some big plays.
Rob did you get CB Rashard Robinsons measurements?
32 inch arms
Thanks I just saw it above sorry I missed it the first time. Have you seen him play Rob? He was impressive as a rookie till he had the off field stuff. Any thoughts on him? I thought he might be another 4th round LSU corner to compete with Simon perhaps.
Not focused on him fully yet. He’s small in terms of size (about 170lbs).
Kind of see a bit of Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to his game. Rob do you think thats a reasonable NFL comparison?
I need to do more work on him.
Josh Doctson, natural hands.
Love Doctson. Just a natural playmaker that can’t be quantified in measurables. Whoever drafts this guy is going to get a heck of an NFL receiver. And despite his season-ending, bone-headed mistake, I like Doctson’s QB Trevone Boykin as a late round/UDFA pick to compete for us at backup QB.
Doctson! Doctson! We’ve got Doctson over here!
See, no one cares.
Is that Jurassic park?
“Love Doctson. Just a natural playmaker that can’t be quantified in measurables.”
Agreed. His measureables so far today have been great! 4.5 40. 41″ VJ. 10’11” BJ
The same can be said for Shepard. 4.5 40. 41″ VJ 10’3″ BJ
Explosive jumps, solid 40 times, great production, natural hands. Both solidified their top 50 stock. Doctson possibly late day 1.
Yep. Agree.
Production matching physical measurable – check!
Officially 4.32 for Fuller.
He can fly. Not that we didn’t know that but good to see the official time, too.
One thing I have always gotten a kick out of is when people complain about this position or that position being “thin” in terms of talent or speed. Honestly, if you are the team who drafts Fuller are you really going to care that it is a slow overall receiver class? If anything, you’re going to laugh and be happy it was a slow class because then everyone else got screwed from getting a burner.
Yeah I think Fuller looks more solidly built than his measurements suggest.
I can’t believe that, had no idea he was that fast. Here’s hoping he doesn’t go to a rival.
I doubt that Green Bay is in the market for a round 1 WR, but the notion of Rodgers + Fuller should frighten every NFC North team. Could Detroit have serious interest? Maybe they don’t need a big replacement for Calvin Johnson, but an explosive guy like Fuller.
Somebody on here has mentioned him to the Panthers a few times. I can look be with Ginn burning down a sideline, mostly because it’s a 50/50 chance he will drop it – but I sure hope they don’t find anybody else that fast.
I can * live with* darn phone
Demarcus Ayers was one of my favourites as a late round guy but a 4.72 probably crosses him off the list. Man some of these #s re slow this year at WR.
@McShay13: Tulsa WR Keyarris Garrett intriguing Day 3 prospect. 6-foot-3, 220 pounds with 34.5″ arms (avg WR =32″). Just ran good unofficial 40 of 4.51
I think he is going to be a big riser after combine.
Good one.
There are receivers throughout the draft.
is it me or does Brandon Allen look pretty good?
Very natural thrower but maybe limited physically.
He’s smaller than I thought. But his throwing motion looks very nice.
Maybe the nicest I’ve seen so far today.
His hands are small. It’s under the ideal measurement for a QB. Especially for cold or bad weather teams
Likely a top 3 pick but Jaylen Ramsey looks like the perfect CB size with an impressive 33.5 inch arms. I think he is going to put on a show today.
My favourite Hawks CBs of the group that I want to track today. Also Keanu Neal at Safety is a must see after that glowing report from Rob yesterday.
James Bradberry — 6-0, 211lbs, 33 inch arms
Artie Burns — 6-0, 193lbs, 33 inch arms
Deiondre Hall — 6-1, 199lbs, 34.5 inch arms
William Jackson — 6-0, 189lbs, 32 inch arms
Eric Murray — 5-10, 199lbs, 32 inch arms
Rashard Robinson — 6-1, 171lbs, 32 inch arms
Daryl Worley — 6-0, 204lbs, 33.5 inch arms
I think Jackson will likely be a 2nd rounder and too early for the Hawks but the rest could be in play in the 3rd or later when the Hawks like to take CBs.
Seems like a pretty weak group overall. Glad we added SJB and Seisay last year to provide completion in camp for Simon and Trey Smith.
Yeah I have a tough time getting excited about scouting the CBs this year – not because there aren’t any good prospects (there are), but rather because SEA is stocked at the position.
And then ya got W.Virgina CB Darryl Worley. So intriguing with his size, and yet on tape you wanba scream. He’s highly inconsistent.
Hackenburg hacking it up so far. Not very impressive.
I think the most Seahawky WR I have seen is Carroo out of Rutgers. He ran a 4.5 which is good. I am anxious to see his explosion numbers. He reminds me of a Golden Tate clone. He is sudden, tough and catches everything. Only 3 drops his entire college career. He is also said to be a real student of the game. Sounds like he would fit right into our WR room as a replacement for Kearse.
I know he had the off field incident but it seems like it might not be a damaging as originally thought and certainly a lot less severe in nature than Frank Clarks. Still a concern as any domestic violence issue is a huge red flag but if he checks out I think he would be an ideal fit.
If Schneider holds true to his words then there’s no way we draft Caroo. No way. Especially after the scrutiny we got from drafting Clark last year.
Rob how did Carroo look in the drills? What range do you see Boyd and Doctson going? I think both might be targets for NE in the 2nd.
Boyd and Doctson in R2. Carroo looked fine in drills. Major character concerns there though. Major.
Rob I just read this article from a couple of days ago on the Carroo incident. Not what I expected.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2016/02/former_rutgers_star_leonte_carroo_answers_question.html
I assume this is the major character concern you are referring to. If not for this incident where do you rate him from a talen standpoint and for Hawks? Or would you just not have him on the board.
I can’t answer that — teams will have to do their homework. He’s good. Not exceptional.
Was expecting better jumps from Carroo. Solid day for him. Like you said good not exceptional.
Brandon Williams is intriguing.
@DrewBoylhart: #Cowboys meet with Dak Prescott, tell him they are looking to draft a quarterback
DAL exploring QB options beyond Wentz/R1.
Concerning Eli Apple and his 31.5″ arms, taking an otherwise first-round talent off your board over half an inch of arm length seems rather severe, if indeed the Seahawks are making that determination. I’m sure Deshawn Shead has longer arms than Apple and no one thinks for a second that Shead will have a better CB career than Apple. Arm length is a factor to consider, but I would hate to think it is a deal-breaker when all the other factors suggest a great NFL talent.
Rather than Apple, Hargreaves is the type of player that arm length would be the deciding factor that removes him from the board, considering the rest of his prospectus is questionable. Besides, isn’t wingspan the more important measurable, of which arm length is a subset? If Apple’s total wingspan meets or approximates our requirement, I would hope that would be determining factor and not some nominal arm length deficiency.
They’re always willing to concede a little on size — BUT only if there’s a reason to. See Russell Wilson. Their ideal isn’t a 5-10 quarterback but he graded elite across the board. If Apple runs a 4.30 and has an explosive work out then maybe it’s not an issue. But if he runs in the 4.4’s and is just a pretty good athlete, that 31.5 inch arms becomes an issue. I like Apple but don’t expect a 4.3 and wouldn’t expect Seattle to draft him in R1.
Has anybody heard what specifically Duke Williams did to get kicked off the team? I know he violated team rules in several occasions but I haven’t heard much about what exactly he did. Was it drugs or violence or criminal?
http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2015/10/duke_williams_punched_4_people.html
Thank you. Seems more like immaturity and maybe a drinking problem. No domestic violence and no drugs.
I think he could be a steal for some team if he slips into round 4. Some are saying UDFA but players who have behaved a lot worse didn’t drop nearly that far.
I think the Seahawks will be more inclined this year to stay away from players with serious character flags after drafting Clark last year. Someone posted earlier that any new draftee with character flags would create a media narrative that would keep Clark in the news for stuff other than his play.
He was also suspended for the 2015 Outback Bowl. No one outside of the incident knows exactly why, but considering he put up a picture of himself with a nice shiner on Instagram, only to take it down soon after, it can be speculated that the incident in October was a repeat offense.
His 40 times were terrible. Scratch him off the list.
Duke Williams has more red flags than a landscaping company.
More red flags than a crosswalk at an elementary school.
If WR Chris Brown puts up sub 4.55 – look out. He screams middle round Seahawks pick to me. The dude loves to block and always makes the most of his chances.
Who is kolby listenbee? He was one of the faster WR have not herd of him is he any good or just fast?
Deep threat with Baylor. Former track star. Sort of a one trick pony at this stage of his career.
TCU Yeah he’s mostly a deep threat. Track guy with 4.35 speed, could become more. Could just be fast.
Pretty sure listenbee is out of TCU
While I have seen the Hawks miss a lot of talent by doing this, I really think this is the year to trade back. Maybe for a QB starved team, or a RB starved team needing to get Henry or Elliott before Cleveland or Dallas in the 2nd.
If they trade back (by trade chart), they could get beginning of 2nd and mid 3rd (or maybe they swap 3rds).
A lot of OL interior talent (what they drastically need) and some good splash players on both sides of the ball
Rob
Over the years I’ve come to accept that you don’t like Ok State players:) I’m happy to see you finally mention Ogbah yesterday. He’s a competitor that I really like. Great numbers. I could see him at pick 26.
You’re not going to like what I say next… I think Ogbah’s tape is thoroughly frustrating. Effort is terrible!
Oh no! This sounds like Brandon Weeden all over again!
In fairness — I’ve been right about all of the Oklahoma state guys 🙂
Weeden was poor, Justin Gilbert is poor, I liked Randle. Am I missing anyone?
This reminds me of when you gave Dez Bryant a fourth round grade. Just kidding.
Found a 2010 article about Bryant — here’s what I wrote:
“In my latest mock draft, I had Bryant going #19 to the Atlanta Falcons. In all honesty, it wouldn’t surprise me if he went much earlier. The talent is there. It’s not so much that Bryant is a ‘diva’ or comes with any lingering baggage – I just think he’s a little immature and needs a strong role model among his coaches and teammates. He’ll need to show he’s willing to put the work in. Some teams will be put off but there will come a point where a franchise sees Bryant is still on the board and feels they have to roll the dice.”
As usual you were right.
Just want to make sure you know I was kidding.
Blackmon who flopped but had lots of talent. Pettigrew has done ok. Daren’t Williams unfortunately died. Those are the ones that come to mind. It’s true there’s not a ton of NFL success although I love Dan Bailey (and Okung of course).
Nailed Dez to a T! Took him awhile to get it, without the strong role model you eluded to, but hit his ceiling.
4.49 for Marquez is a good first leg. Hope he matches or betters it on his next run.
I thought Braxton Miller was faster than a 4.5
I think that is plenty fast and I bet he improves quite a bit on pro day.
Good athlete but no special athlete.
Average jumps as well. 35″ VJ 10’3″ BJ. Nearly identical numbers as Carroo. Was expecting more out of both.
When you look back on it Russ’s 40 time, hand size and the fact that he played in a pro offence behind the biggest OL in college football had to alleviate a lot of concerns PC / JS may have had about his height. He really is a dynamic athlete at the QB position. If he had been an inch and a half taller he would have likely been an early first rounder. Lucky for us!!
The Vernon Adams comp to Russ is so ridiculous. The only thing they have in common is height. I don’t think there is any way he is our developmental QB of the future.
Not quite the only thing. Adams makes plays. He has “it”. Or had “it” as a college player. Whether he has the physical talent to replicate that in the pros is another question. The 4.83 time makes me wonder more than I did before….
Adams isn’t the athlete Wilson is, few are. The biggest similarity between the two is the ability to extend plays while keeping their eyes downfield-looking to throw first then tuck and run. Innate ability to make big things happen when things break down.
Starting to think the Hawks will only consider 3 WR’s in R1. Treadwell, Coleman and Fuller.
I can’t see them going WR. Doubt they consider any in R1. Treadwell probably not quick enough either.
I don’t see Seattle picking a WR until round 3 at the very earliest–and they might not take one until 5-6. This looks like a mid-late round-heavy class for WRs.
Agreed.
Coelman and Treadwell will be gone by #26. Fuller is the guy that they would have to think long and hard about…. he has way too many things they love in WRs.
very underwhelming WR class compared to the last few years. Hoping they can find a gem later on but man, this class is SLOW. I will say that the selection of Lockett last year is looking better every minute.
Agreed. We’ve been spoiled with all the WR talent in the last 2 years. This years class has some players, but lacks at the top and depth.
I didn’t think it was a good draft for WRs and CBs before the combine, and my opinion on the receivers is only reinforcec after the combine.
There’s gonna be some decent ones to monitor during the pro days though.
SE MO St WR Paul McRoberts, Cal’s Bryce Treggs, UW’s Jaydon Mickens, Richmond’s Reggie Diggs, Montana’s Jamal Jones, Arizona St’s Devin Lucien, UVA’s Canaan Severin, and some others.
I like the way you think. That’s a good list.
I’d add: Davonte Allen-Marshall, and Darrin Peterson-Liberty
Ah, I forgot ‘Petey’ Peterson.
I’ll check out Davonte Allen too. Thanks for the shout.
Duke Willams slow. derunnya bear Wilson excruciating slow
De’Runnya Wilsdon is slow and watch his tape. Awful. His technique is so bad.
He has this hitch bor hop off the LOS, I’ve never seen it. Press corners will eat him alive at the next level.
He’s an UDFA.
Maybe De’Runnya could bulk up a bit and learn to block, become a TE convert.
Possibly.
But, not sure Seattle would take a TE that ran a 4.9 or mid 4.8 40.
A 4.85 40. 28″ VJ. 9’5″ BJ. is below par, even if Wilson gained 30 pounds. Biggest loser of the draft so far.
Malcolm Mitchell an interesting mid round wr prospect. Huge hands 32 1/2 arms.
Jordan Payton is Kearse 2.0
I heard Malcom Mitchell is gonna work out with the CBs.
I’ve been banging Malcolms drum for a while. I like this guy.
I actually expected him to run faster. There’s a video floating around of him having a foot race with Keith Marshall a few years ago. Fun Stuff.
Yeah, you’ve been banging the drum on nhim for a couple months now.
He’s gonna be a CB at the next level though buddy. You cool with that? IMO it makes him more ‘Seahawky’ as a convert.
Meh, I could live with it. I actually think he would be a good CB but I’m personally a little bit over the “conversion” idea.
My CB pick this year would be Michael Jordan-Missouri Western. I’m a bummed he didn’t get a combine invite.
None of these CBs are gonna start year 1 though. It takes at least a year to learn PC’s DB technique.
It’s why he went after Seisay and SJB. They know his ‘kick step’ and other nuances, because they played fo former Cornhusker HC Bo Pelini, who has worked for/under PC in SF and NE.
Sterling Shepard is this year’s Lockett. He already has a natural feel for sitting in zones (like Lockett) and beating any type of coverage. Lockett and Baldwin would get his footwork and release squared away and he would be ready to contribute. Hes already an excellent route runner. Surprise third rounder?
Personally sterling sheppard is the most seahawky wide receiver available. Hes short, explosive, a great route runner and completely underrated.
Not sure about underrated. Everyone saw what Tyler Lockett did,
You beat the big, ng, press CBs ththat Seattle made so in vogue with small, shifty, speedy wideouts.
Sheppard is the best WR in this class. I’ll be shocked if he’s not taken in round 2.
He is a player that the Patriots would have to consider in round 2. They have to remake their WR group anyhow.. and why not add another dynamic WR. If he is as good at routes as everyone claims, then he will fit in with Brady from day #1.
I agree with the comparison in style and production. Though to be fair to Lockett, he is, what I would consider significantly, faster than Shepard. As we have seen, Lockett can take the top off of a defense- not sure Shepard can. That said, I’m still a fan.
In the first 2016 mock draft I did (back in November or so), I had Shepard to the Seahawks in round 2, which was after watching him in two games. He’s a terrific player, and has a great story. Good interview and seems to have top-notch character.
Agree on all points.
Him and Doctson look like the most ‘Seahawky’ WRs right now, but would they take one of them early?
Doctson migh’ve moved into the 1st.
If Sheppard is there in round 3, I’d run to the podium.
Rob, do you think Chris Brown is a WR the Hawks would be intrigued with? Rumor is he’s going to run in the low 4.4s. I really like his tape.
Not studied him TBH Nick.
I’d recommend him. Especially if he puts in a workout like I’m anticipating.
Killebrew’s arm length was good news. He goes back on the list.
So thankful we aren’t one of those teams searching for a QB.
WRs and CBs disappointing. Now we know why they’ve been loading up on them.
Auburn WR Ricarcdo Louis. This kid is a freak!
He’s a day 3 version of Braxton Miller.
And of my Cal guys, Trevor Davis looking good too.
Louis’ runs on the veer at Auburn were just sick. Percy Harvin kind of guy.
Finally I got someone to talk Ricardo Louis with.
He’ raw and a little inconsistent, but man if you can harness that raw athleticism and be patient with him? Scary.
He’s a late day 3 guy, but I don’t think Seattle takes a WR before round 4.
The only guys I’d take earlier than that are Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Sterling Sheppard, and Josh Doctson.
I’d like to know what everyone’s take on Peake from Clemson, it’s a lazy comparison for obvious reasons, but I’d love a Martavius Bryant of our own. (Was banging the table that entire draft for him, can’t believe he last so long)
Great run blocker, tough kid. Nothing special.
Day 3 like most of these WRs. Not a good class.
He was apparently getting open all week long during the Senior Bowl FWIW. I just don’t see us taking a WR on day one or two, though. I bet Peake goes before day 3.
Got size, got speed. But he’s got small hands for a receiver and drops a lot of passes.
I wouldn’t be disappointed in the pick, based on upside alone.
I highly recommend Ricardo Louis outta Auburn.
One of those guys that’s a better pro than college player?
Which one? Peake or Louis?
And I absolutely love WRs from Cal. This Trevor Davis cat is explosive and so damb quick twitch. He’s very gritty too. Broke his neck 2 years ago and 8 months later was back out there returning punts again.
From what I have read and his 40 time, I think Peake would be a sneaky 3rd or 4th round pick, with lots of upside. He would complement Seattle WRs by providing more size/speed than they currently have, with WR1 upside. Look at the guys he played behind and succeeded – Hopkins/Watkins/Bryant. No guarantee that he transitions to the NFL like those 3, but it’s interesting to think that he might.
And given that Seattle is unlikely to spend any of their first 3 picks at WR (IMO) than the first possible pick available would be their second 3rd, or maybe their 4th. Even then, the WR would have to be pretty special to warrant the pick, and Peake would have to be that special in their eyes (no way to tell how they have him ranked) and of course he would still have to be available. Lots of ifs.
N’Western FB Dan Vitale is a 2 sigma FB! Holy ish! First time in 13 years.
Vitale had a great day yesterday! Not sure where he’s going to get drafted, but is definitely a player I want on the Hawks.
Vol12- Where are you getting sparq ratings? Links? Haven’t been able to find any.
I haven’t got any SPARQ ratings honestly.
But, I’m following the SPARQ database king. Zach Whitman on twitter.
He said Jason Spriggs is only the 6th rated O-lineman in terms of SPARQ.
If ya want any more names that are good follows on twitter, let me know.
Cool. Thanks man. Nah I’ll just wait for the SPARQ ratings to come out. They’re a great guideline in helping judge athleticism.
Look at Texas A&M CB Brandon Wiliams. He’s under 6’0 with 32″ inch arms.
Hello, Walter Thurmond.
Hopefully if we take hin it will be like the last time we drafted an offensive skill position player turned CB on day three.
Jeff Driskel with the 4.56, and a 122″ broad jump! He sure looks like one of the most athletic QBs out there. I was hoping he might be a late-round pick for Seattle, but he might go a bit early for them. Boykin was a bit slower than I thought he would be, but overall he looked good.
Might not be a great class for WRs, but I like Chris Moore in a later round (4.53, 37″ vertical, 130″ broad, deep threat with good hands), as well as Kolby Listenbee, Marquez North, and Keyarris Garrett.
For TEs, I like Ben Braunecker (partly because he’s a Harvard guy) and Beau Sandland. Thomas Duarte (UCLA) is an interesting WR/TE hybrid who was a nice red zone threat (10 TDs), and his combine numbers are more than respectable.
Come pro days, be sure to check out Florida Tech TE Gabe Holmes. He runs a 4.56-4.66 40 and averaged 17.7 YPC this year.
Beau Sandland is a stud. I live in Spokane, E.Washington is here, so I get to see the Montana teams play. Big kid, intense, physical, good hands, former JUCO guy.
Sandland transferred from Miami to be closer to his mountain man dad.
“Sandland transferred from Miami to be closer to his mountain man dad.”
Interesting. Didn’t know that. He certainly looks the part. Looked terrible running the gauntlet, getting hit in the face twice, for what that’s worth.
Thanks for doing this open thread, Rob. Really nice to be able to check in periodically when I get the chance and see the updates and notes.
I found this an interesting read on which DL the OL in the draft said were the toughest to block. Obviously many gave shout outs to the guys on their own team, but others were telling and there was a name or two I hadn’t heard much about.
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/2/27/11120190/nfl-combine-2016-linemen-testing-40-times-interviews-workouts
Thanks for the link!
Seattle could be in the market for a draftable TE day 3, would this buy make sense????
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He put up 29 reps of 225. Knock on him is he is more a blocker/fullback type of player.. but 6’4″ and 262 is a very nice size and I could see the need for such a player on the Seahawks 53 man roster.
He ran a 5.0 40.
He’s gona go undrafted.
This note from Tony Pauline on Jaylon Smith is sad and why no player should ever be criticized for coming out early.
Finally, those in attendance when Jaylon Smith weighed in yesterday tell me his injured leg looked terrible when he stepped on the scale. Smith struggled moving the leg as well as controlling the leg. I was told it was a glum mood and there was a lot of sadness for Smith from the scouts and coaches on hand. From one source I heard, “I felt like crying for the kid.” There are a number of teams who think Smith could fall into the draft’s last day.
Feel terrible for Smith. His injury didn’t look horrific like Lattimore’s did. If we trade out of our 1st pick and gather an extra 4th, I’d take Smith. Easy top 10 talent if he can return to health. I’m far from a medical expert. Could corrective surgery be an option?
Its terrible. No other way to say it. Sucks big time, and I feel for him.
I was impressed with his press interactions that I saw. Hope he can make it all the way back.
Geronimo Allison has run sub 4.5 40s and was good in the Senior Bowl. He might be a guy overlooked because of this one day.
Both Michael Thomases are of interest to me. The big name one from OSU at the top. The lesser known one in the later rounds.
I will continue to hope—in vain— for the Seahawks to draft or acquire a true X/potential number one receiver with outside/vertical ability. Someone with a bit of height. They haven’t had one, you guys undoubtedly don’t think they need it.
I wouldn’t rule it out based on the FO’s moves in the past for Rice and Harvin. They seem to have an itch they haven’t yet scratched. I don’t think there are any rookies at 26. I thought Alshin Jeffrey was a wild card possibility.
It’s not that they don’t need it, but picking so late in each rounc, the options, value, and fits are limited.
“you guys undoubtedly don’t think they need it”
We spent the last two years talking about it. Even last year we spent considerable time pouring over Dorial Green-Beckham.
Could they use a guy like that? Sure. Is it a major priority? No.
Just noticed that http://www.mockdraftable.com/players/2016/ has current combine info on the players from today’s combine testing. They must have some pretty fast data entry folks. I sure appreciate having all of the data on one page arranged alphabetically by position. Their graphs and player comparisons are informative as well. Better than going to NFL.com and click, click, clicking away.
Thank you.
That’s a cool site. Like being able to look at previous year’s results.
Been using this spreadsheet that’s easier for looking at certain positions:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MhmzWDgIqCIoYL0K1c8MG43W1djmSw5trl5-oJfe24Q/htmlview?pref=2&pli=1&sle=true#
I feel personally that we should add BIG to our passing game through another Tight End. Yet, TE’s are horrible in the draft year after year. That’s why we went and got Jimmy Graham. Rarified Air there. He wasn’t the third most TD catcher between 2011-2013 for nothing!
So how do we add BIG to TE without the Draft?
Enter our Seahawk Brother Martellus Bennet! He is being traded.
Trading a 4-5th for him would be an amazing addition that fits PERFECTLY in the TIMING of things…
1st – Martellus is a good all around BLOCKING and catching TE!
2nd – He would be INSURANCE for Jimmy Graham, and allow Jimmy to not feel he has to rush at all back…
3rd- Adding Martellus would appease Michael Bennett to ‘some degree’… We all know he needs to be paid better, and this might be a feather in the cap of the GM…
I know people will say Martellus is too expensive at $5.61 million next year, and with Jimmy having another $9 million cap hit is too much for the TE ‘group’… But please remember, and allow for this ‘fluidity’…
Jimmy Graham, when healthy, is really a WR/TE Hybrid. The ONLY other WR we have money invested in is Doug Baldwin, who needs a nice extension this offseason. Adding Martellus in this scenario means letting Kearse fo in FA. That money saved is converted from Kearse into Martellus Bennett…
Know the logic goes that with Martellus being a FullRounded TE, Jimmy can play more and more as a flex wide out, motion guy, etc…
With Martellus AND Jimmy an the field we can Run(Martellus Blocks well), or through seams/middle of the field to Jimmy…or put him out wide at WR…the mix and match/confuson principle would be worth the money spent!!
So yes we would have the BEST TE group in the league!
1 Martellus Bennett
2 Jimmy Graham
3 Luke Wilson
4 Cooper Helfet (until Jimmy is ready)
So the money saved on Kearse shifts into Martellus. The Jimmy money$ need to be thought of as split between TE/WR groups- which is what he is! That’s why he fought for WR money$ in New Orleans.
This way, we can then draft another WR to replace Kearse that is WHATEVER we want, without ANY NEED for SIZE! We would have our size in Bennet/Wilson and the hybrd WR/TE Jimmy Graham…
I would like us to draft ANOTHER Tylet Lockett/Doug Baldwin.
FAST and with excellent ROUTE SAVY. Thus Tyler Boyd and Sterling Sharpe stand out to me…
IMAGINE this: Tyler Lockett out wide. Baldwin in the Slot. Sharpe/Boyd out opposite wide. Martellus and Jimmy in the game.
That is a NIGHTMARE for opposing teams…
Oh, and add in the Dynamic Russell Wilson and Thomas Rawls!
BINGO