Curtis Allen’s week two watchpoints (vs San Francisco)

September 18th, 2022 | Written by Rob Staton

This is a guest article by Curtis Allen. After the game today tune into the instant reaction live stream which will be available on here and on our YouTube channel

Fact:  Pete Carroll has never had a losing season against the NFC West in his Seahawks tenure.

How has he been able to maintain such an impressive stretch of success?  Answer:  He gets to play the San Francisco 49ers twice a year.

Every team has a nemesis and Pete Carroll and the Seahawks have been the Niners’ kryptonite for a whole decade.  In their last 20 matchups, the Seahawks have won an incredible 17 of those games.

And what is more –  the three losses?

One was by two points.

Another was by three points in overtime.

The third?  By 5 points.  But really, it was more like 5 inches.

It is as good a record of success in a head-to-head matchup over a ten-year period as any we are likely to see.  And 49er fans know it.

A brief anecdote, if you will allow it.  I was able to fly to San Francisco for the Week 10 Monday Night game in 2019.  The Niners were 8-0 and were delivering on their promise after a 4-12 season the year prior.  The Seahawks were 7-2 and needed to win to keep pace.

The atmosphere in the stadium was electric.  Both teams came to play.  

As you recall, it was a game of punches and counterpunches.  The Seahawk offense sputtered early but were gifted 7 points by Jadeveon Clowney recovering a fumble for a touchdown.  

The Niners responded by stripping D.K. Metcalf of the ball at the 1-yard line as he reached for the goal line.  And so on and so forth.

They had a replacement kicker who heroically tied the game with a clutch field goal as time expired, then blew a chance to win the game in overtime with the worst kick I have ever seen in person.

After that, everyone in the stadium knew what was coming next.  But they were forced to watch it unfold and could not look away.  Russell Wilson led a game-winning drive that slowly drained the life out of the home fans in the stadium like Chinese water torture.  As Jason Meyers kicked the winning field goal, Wilson and the Seahawks danced on the field in delight.

A perfect season, a chance to put the division in a headlock and for one moment the golden opportunity to finally wipe the smug smile off that gum-chewing so-and-so’s face had been snatched from them in painful fashion.

It just became too much to bear for one Niner fan exiting the stadium.  He was quietly walking by himself a few steps in front of my friends and I, shoulders slumped in exhausted grief.  Then, out of nowhere, he decided he had had enough.  With an energy that came from deep down inside, he mustered everything he had and shouted with all his might “F*** PETE CARROLL !!” at the top of his lungs into the void.  He took a breath, slumped his shoulders once again and resumed walking quietly.

Causing that kind of existential dread in your opponent’s fanbase is not something that happens every day.  The Seahawks need to do their level best keep making Niner fans shaking their heads well into 2023.

While the Seahawks have been typically dominated by the Rams and split with the Cardinals, seeing the 49ers on the schedule – even with the talent on their roster and in the coaches’ room – is a welcome sight.  If the Seahawks want to keep that division record streak alive, they are going to have to win Sunday.  Which begs the question…

How Have They Been Doing It?

Oddly enough the Niners had a near-identical performance in a loss against Chicago in Week One that Denver had against the Seahawks.  Both the Broncos and the Niners:

-Ran the ball effectively

-Outgained their opponent by over 100 yards

-Possessed the ball almost exactly 7 minutes more than their opponent

-Converted nearly 50% of their third downs

Those are normally the prime ingredients of a solid win.  How did they both lose their games then?  

They both:

-Got flagged an ugly 12 times

-Gave up a busted-coverage touchdown from a quarterback scrambling

-Lost the turnover battle 2-1

That is precisely how the Seahawks beat Denver on Monday and how Chicago beat San Francisco on Sunday.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is in one snapshot exactly why the Seahawks are 5-1 against the Niners in their last six games.

San Francisco has consistently outgained the Seahawks in yards.  They have also accrued more penalties and turned the ball over more times than the Seahawks have.

This, oddly enough, is where the Seahawks’ defensive formula of conceding a ton of yards, keeping the game in front of them and stiffening in the red zone works for them.  The opposing offense is on the field so often, they are bound to make a mistake sooner or later, be it by running out of downs, taking a drive-killing penalty or committing a turnover.

That is why Jimmy Garoppolo is on the bench in favor of Trey Lance.  Until Trey Lance matures, forcing him into a place where he cannot make many explosive plays, so rather he needs to make very good decisions play after play after play will continue to be an important part of their success.

Of course, it only works to their advantage if the Seahawks continue to play a cleaner game than the Niners…

Play Smart

They beat Denver Monday by being far better in this area.  But let’s be right:  Denver set a low, low bar.  Between twelve flags, two back-breaking turnovers, some bad Russell Wilson throws and a bone-headed decision to try an NFL-record field goal instead of giving your new quarterback a chance to be the hero, it would be easy to overlook the areas where the Seahawks need to improve.

D.K. Metcalf had a fumble that Denver recovered.  Rashaad Penny got stripped at the end of a brilliant run (thankfully Austin Blythe was hustling downfield and fell on the ball).  Geno Smith got strip-sacked and the Seahawks recovered the ball.  He also did not execute a quarterback sneak very well on 4th and inches.  Tariq Woolen gave up 52 yards on two pass interference flags.  Both safeties had chances to intercept the ball and failed to make the game-changing play.

There are many opportunities for improvement.

And not to hammer the obvious once again but when you do not have a field-tilting franchise quarterback who can pull the game out late in the fourth quarter to cover over all those early-game mistakes, the impact of those bad plays is magnified.

They will need to be sharper on both sides of the ball if they are to beat San Francisco Sunday.

As well they will need a real commitment to being the superior ground team…

Beat Them On the Ground

The Seahawks have consistently been the better team in their matchup when it comes to running the football.  While San Francisco has gotten more yards in the passing game (and therefore more overall yards), the Seahawks have been consistently been able to stick it to them by running the ball far more effectively.

How much better?  In those last 6 games they have on average run for 30 more yards than the Niners.  They have topped 100 yards rushing as a team in all 6 of those games, whereas San Francisco has only been able to do it twice.

Both teams are seriously committed to the run game.  There really is no difference in how often they choose to run when playing each other.  The Seahawks have just been more efficient, and therefore better, running an average of 4.25 yards per carry, where the Niners can only muster 3.75 yards.

This is where their model really works.  30 more yards rushing than your opponent in every game means more possession time.  Which puts more pressure on the Niner offense to move down the field quickly when they finally do get the ball.  Which is all the more frustrating when the Seahawks have built a defense to not get built deep and forces you to eat clock while you dink and dunk down the field.  Which the Niners have struggled to do without a top quarterback at the helm.  It is like being slowly suffocated by a snake coiled around its prey.

It is a trap that the Niners fall into time and time again.

Of course, there is no assurance the Seahawks will be able to do this again on Sunday.  They have to earn it.

Rashaad Penny at times looked like he was just a break here or there from resuming his torrid play on Monday.  However, the Seahawks only gave him 12 carries against the Broncos.  While he did get 60 yards, they were hard earned.  Penny only recorded 11 total yards before contact.  That means on overage he had less than a yard per carry before he was contacted by a defender.  Denver did an excellent job on the interior of the line keeping Penny from getting into gear.

It may be tough sledding again this week.  David Montgomery is a good inside runner and could not get much going against the Niner defense.  On the bright side, perhaps the Seahawks will get Damien Lewis and Ken Walker back from injury this week.

Whatever the case, the Seahawk offense is going to really need the running game to be effective.

On the flip side, that also means containing the Niners’ run game.

Elijah Mitchell will not play Sunday after sustaining an injury.  That likely means that Deebo Samuel and Trey Lance will be the focus of their ground game.

Let’s look at Deebo’s carries Sunday against the Bears.  What do you see from his run chart?  He was primarily attacking the edges of the defense:

If they want to continue that trend, that is going to be a real challenge for the Seahawks . 

Pete Carroll identified that on Wednesday when asked about defending the run against Denver:

“We were not consistent.  We gave up too many plays on the edge and it wasn’t as good as it needed to be.”  

His body language, short answer and wanting to move along to the next question said more than his words did.  He expected better play there on Monday.

Samuel is so hard to defend in the run game because of his unique blend of speed and toughness.  Watch him get to the edge Sunday before Al-Quadin Muhammad – who practically has a free release – can even get set (and give Eddie Jackson a serious pop at the goal line just for good measure).

This is where the change to a 3-4 defense really needs to work.  In a 4-3 the edge players are bigger and more physical.  In the 3-4 they are quicker to get to the outside and keep the runners from exploiting those wide edges like Samuel did on that touchdown run.  Nwosu, Taylor, and Mafe will need to have an active game and help reroute runners inside where players like Jordyn Brooks are waiting for them.

Thankfully, they will get some edge support from the corners in the running game.  Watch Tariq Woolen knock KJ Hamler on his butt and show no hesitance about going head on with Javonte Williams on Monday.

I am delighted that the hard-nosed physicality I saw in Woolen in practice is showing up when the games count.  The defense definitely showed more intensity Monday night than we saw in 2021.  Here is hoping it continues.

What about Trey Lance’s rushes?  He had 13 of the Niners’ 37 rushes on Sunday.  Six of those rushes gained first downs for the offense.  I watched them all.  I would say half those runs were scrambles to escape pressure, a quarter were designed runs, and the rest were ‘if your first read is not there and there is an opening, go’ type options.

This was his first game as the unquestioned starter and with the inclement weather, Kyle Shanahan gave him a simpler plan to work with.  He took 51 of the 67 snaps from shotgun formation and Shanahan called for several quick throws and the option to take off and run.

The inside defensive lineman must be effective in order to defend Lance.  If they keep him hemmed in, his inexperience may really shine through if his first read is not available and there is no hole to escape to.  More than once on Sunday the Bears were able to frustrate him into dumping the ball off for minimal gains or poor off-schedule throws that missed their target (9 of his 28 throws were classed Bad Throws by PFR).

Again, this is where the 3 of the 3-4 should be advantageous.  Al Woods, Poona Ford, Bryan Mone and Quentin Jefferson should be able to control the gaps.  They did not accomplish this very well against the Broncos.  Their PFF scores for Monday were far below the standard they need to be.  Nobody broke a 60 in run defense or pass rushing except Mone who graded a 70, albeit in only 4 pass rush snaps.

The Seahawks have a fair chunk of cap invested there.  They need a better return on Sunday.

The front seven will need to be very, very sharp as a group.  Last Sunday, Samuel averaged 4.3 yards before contact on his runs.  Elijah Mitchell averaged 4.7.  Those are insane numbers.  The best full-time runners in the NFL usually average about 2.4-2.6 yards before contact over the season.

They demonstrate the blocking and scheming prowess that Kyle Shanahan and the offensive line bring to the table.

A reasonable expectation would be the front seven cut those numbers in half.  While that seems to be a high bar to set, history tells us that Pete Carroll and the defense have not only been able to reach it against San Francisco but to clear it with room to spare.  Here is hoping they will be able to do that on Sunday and leave Niner fans in despair once again.

484 Responses to “Curtis Allen’s week two watchpoints (vs San Francisco)”

  1. Mick says:

    Was looking forward for this, nice done, cha.

    If we get anything but a win tonight I will be disappointed. We can beat them, we always have, we got just enough material to do it again. I don’t care about how high we pick a QB, we got Wilson at 75, I want to win the winnable games and this is one of them. Especially if Kittle is out. I hope this is the night Cross stands his ground against Bosa, Taylor and Nwosu own the 9ers Oline, and Woolen and Bryant finish their receivers.

  2. UkAlex6674 says:

    I said the Denver game was entirely winnable and I say the same for this one.

    But the main point raised by Cha for me was that it is doubtful the 49ers will give away as many penalty yards as Denver and you can’t ignore the impact of those.

    Pretty sure the 49ers will have watched the 2nd half of last week and identified how Smith got shut down, and I’m not entirely convinced his game can get better than the 1st half, so we better think of something early to get DK and Lockett established to keep the 49er D guessing.


  3. bmseattle says:

    It’s difficult for me to envision our offense being able to sustain drives against the 49er defense.
    I think we are going to need a few explosive plays to score enough to win this game.
    That means DK and, perhaps, Penny, will likely need to show up big.

  4. Big Mike says:

    Thank you much for the effort and knowledge cha. Outstanding as always.

  5. Sean says:

    Thanks for the write up. I really appreciate these. We’ve had so many great games against the niners.

  6. Henry Taylor says:

    Imagine if we win this game and sit at 2-0 with Atlanta and Detroit up next. Some expectations are going to get out of hand. (Probably including mine ngl)

  7. Big Mike says:

    Charles Davis, who is the color guy with Ian Eagle on CBS is probably my favorite color guy in pro ball. So sharp and so erudite. He knew a rule before Mike Tomlin had to have it explained to him by the refrs. They are the #2 network announcing team behind Nance and Romo but I think they’re better, or at least as good.

  8. Blitzy the Clown says:

    I dunno. It’s never a good thing when everyone thinks the #1 reason why you’ll beat your next opponent is because of your past success against them.

    Not saying that’s you cha. Your article is detailed and well supported as usual.

    This is indeed a winnable game, but mostly because Trey Lance is worse than Geno Smith.

    Even so, I’m excited to watch our OTs vs a top-5 DL, excited to watch our DB group continue to evolve especially now that Jones is full time with the starters. Also hoping Barton continues to play well.

  9. Palatypus says:

    I think the Jets took notice of how sloppy everybody’s special teams were last week when they converted a fake punt in their own end. Also, the trend of lots of turnovers continues.

    And can someone help me finish this joke?

    L.J. Collier and Jamal Adams walk into a bar…

  10. Hawks4life says:

    Remember a couple years ago when the rumors of us adding Minkah Fitzpatrick were floating around, but instead we later traded for Jamal Adams. Neither are moves I would sign off on but man Minkah is a game changer for that Steelers defense

  11. Palatypus says:

    Detroit and Jacksonville looking really good today. When was the last time those two teams won on the same day?

  12. Jordan says:

    Man, Indianapolis, what a rudderless operation with a garbage philosophy/plan at the QB position – just year after year going with someone else’s discarded QB. It’s like they don’t know what to do when not gifted an elite prospect with the 1st overall pick.

  13. Rob Staton says:

    3500 words on the draftable quarterbacks coming on Monday

  14. cha says:


    Artie Burns
    Justin Coleman
    Joey Blunt
    Dareke Young
    Jake Curhan
    Myles Adams (Early front runner for the Annual January “PC says we should have given more snaps to this DL” Award)

    George Kittle Inactive

  15. Trevor says:

    The NFL needs to rethink how they are managing pre-season the level of play these first 2 weeks has been horrific IMO.

  16. Trevor says:

    Doubt many Seahawks fans are still clamouring for Baker after these first couple of weeks. Awful!

  17. Chris says:

    Same ol defense

  18. Mick says:

    What’s this D doing again?

  19. Kyle R. says:

    Looks like the 49ers paid attention to MNF and saw the Seahawks couldn’t stop the run.

  20. Chris says:

    It’s really hard to watch

  21. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    I will never understand Pete’s insisting on deferring receipt of the opening kickoff when winning the flip. When you’ve got an all-world defense, it made sense. Now, you’re basically ensuring you’re playing from behind early.

  22. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Bend don’t break

  23. KennyBadger says:

    What no fumble recovery in the red zone defense? And good job browns.

  24. Romeo A57 says:

    Defense doing the bend don’t break philosophy to perfection again. Let the other teams’ offense do what they want until they get inside the 10 yard line.

  25. Chris says:

    After a 3 and out our defense will be on the field for the rest of the 1st quarter

  26. Chris says:

    Gonna be a long game if we don’t fix our run d

  27. Palatypus says:

    Lions win! Jets win! Giants win! Dolphins win! Jaguars win!

  28. Chris says:

    Hopefully Houston wins

  29. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Kenneth Walker for the 1st down on his inaugural NFL rush attempt!

  30. cha says:

    Abe Lucas looked very good vs Bosa on that drive.

  31. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Meh. At least they didn’t go 3 and out to start the game.

  32. Chris s says:

    San Fran doesn’t even need to pass

  33. Kyle R says:

    Run pick up 5 plus yards rinse and repeat.

  34. Rob Staton says:

    Our tackling is pathetic

  35. AlaskaHawk says:

    From Legion of Boom to Hot Butter. Youch.

  36. Big Mike says:

    God awful blown tackle by Taylor

  37. Mick says:

    The entire D scheme is terrible. How can you give Deebo so much space?

  38. Blitzy the Clown says:

    I just…I mean…sigh

  39. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    So….. Taylor is NOT an LB. He contains like a colander.

  40. Rob Staton says:

    I remember talking about an emotional let down this week after all the hoopla last week

    Looks like those concerns were valid

  41. Chris says:

    What’s the point of having a defensive minded head coach when the defense looks like this?

  42. Kyle R says:

    If we can’t stop the run it doesn’t matter who the QB is. Contain and goddamn tackle!

  43. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Oh great, here comes an actual NFL QB.

    Not that it’ll make much difference, but SF are better with Jimmy than Trey.

  44. bmseattle says:

    Conspiracy theory:
    Shanahan kept running Lance so he gets hurt and he can put in Jimmy without controversy.

  45. Mick says:

    Glimmer of hope, Jimmy with his blackouts.

  46. Romeo A57 says:

    Ask Cam Newton how long a QB lasts running like a Fullback all the time. Sorry to see Trey go out on the Cart…

  47. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Best wishes to Trey Lance I hope it’s not serious

  48. bmseattle says:

    CBs can play up tighter now.
    Jimmy couldn’t throw deep before his shoulder injury.
    Probably has even less arm strength now.

  49. Big Mike says:

    Nwosu looks like a very good signing.

  50. Chris says:

    Nowusu is our best defensive player in a bad bunch

  51. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Darned if Nwosu hasn’t been a pleasant surprise.

    He’s turning out to be a rare FA win for Seattle.

  52. Mick says:

    We badly need some points now.

  53. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Nwosu may be the best FA acquisition for the ‘Hawks since…. Avril? Struggling to think of a FA that JS has brought in that actually impacted the game?

  54. Rob Staton says:

    This is where I worry for our offense

    When they are behind and have to chase a bit

  55. Palatypus says:

    Jamal Adams and Trey Lance walk into a bar…

    Too soon?

  56. Blitzy the Clown says:

    I’m liking the Lucas-Jackson blocking tandem. They work well together.

  57. Chris says:

    Is Myles adams active today?

    • Mick says:

      Nope, healthy scratch

    • Big Mike says:

      No. This year’s recipient of the Alton Robinson award

      • Kyle R says:

        Hey Big Mike, Pete and the guys were looking for ways to get him in there. He just sort of gets lost in the shuffle and that’s on Pete and the coaches and they need to get better at finding ways for him to get in there…..or some bullshit like that.

        • Big Mike says:

          Like cha said up above, at the season ending presser, PC will talk about how they should’ve found ways to get him more time on the field………after the fact.

  58. Rob Staton says:

    You’ve got to love a 3rd and 12 throw to the flat behind the LOS

    THREE scoreless quarters for the offense and not looking good

  59. Mick says:

    When you can’t pass and they know you can only run…

  60. Chris says:

    Myles adams had to good of a preseason to play on this defense I guess

  61. Big Mike says:

    Defense soon to wear down and give up a TD drive.

  62. Rob Staton says:

    This is the offense I feared

    It was a great half against Denver

    But this is the reality. We look incapable of doing much of anything

  63. Rob Staton says:

    We are really, really, really bad

    • Rob Staton says:

      But at least we won our SB last week eh

    • bmseattle says:

      We’re clearly going to need all of our draft picks to fill in our many, many holes.
      So if we are truly this bad, better to lose and not have to package picks to move up for a QB.

    • Seattle Person says:

      Top 5 pick baby!

      But in all seriousness I think many, including myself take and eat this humble pie. I’m still looking for progression for our key pieces moving forward.

  64. Chris says:

    New defense same as the old defense

  65. cha says:

    I really, really, really hope the Seahawks haven’t blown a development year for Coby by trying to convert him inside to a nickel.

  66. Mick says:

    All too easy. I put it on the coaches, we aren’t the only team starting rookies.

  67. Kyle R says:

    I can just hear Pete now….”Can you win the game in the 2nd quarter!?” my reply back would be…”No coach but you can lose it”

  68. Big Mike says:

    And now with Jimmy loosening up the run D cuz he can actually pass at an NFL level, the run game will get better for SF.

  69. STTBM says:

    I’m surprised so many seem surprised by our offensive ineptitude. This is Carrol/Waldron at its finest. The offense has talented players, but not talented coaches. Larry Izzo and Sanjay Lal are the only real NFL staff on this team.

    But who needs that bum Wilson, we got PeteBall!?

  70. Chris says:

    The hardest question that will be asked at the post game press conference will be how good is Al woods

  71. KennyBadger says:

    They are putting 11 guys out there on D, right?

  72. mtpgod says:

    Things we always knew that are being confirmed today: Barton sucks and our LB depth is terrible, although this new Williams guy is looking good early, and Darrel Taylor is way overrated.

    • bmseattle says:

      If Brooks and Taylor don’t establish themselves as building blocks this year, we’re in even worse shape than we imagined.
      We need to start developing guys who can be difference makers.

      • Big Mike says:

        The cupboard appears to be very bare. That’s what happens when you draft like shit. One seemingly good draft won’t make up for 5 or 6 bad ones in a row.

  73. Chris says:

    Darrell Taylor should be benched. If there is anyone to bench him for

  74. Palatypus says:

    Houston with a big-time goal-line stand.

  75. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Drew Lock will be starting before mid-season, methinks.

  76. Big Mike says:

    Great protection and he still threw into double coverage. 🙁

  77. bmseattle says:

    Suddenly Geno isn’t so “safe” with the football.
    He’s a turnover machine when forced to throw it.

  78. Chris says:

    The only bright spot is the tackles have held their own so far.

  79. Mick says:

    Great Geno, now give them the ball, not like the D isn’t letting them play already.

  80. STTBM says:

    Can’t wait for Carroll’s litany of excuses….

    Will he top Mora’s record of using “Accountability” 57 TIMES in his post-game press conference, not once in reference to Coaches?!

    The only mystery in the outcome of this game…

  81. Chris says:

    Wow! 2 good plays in a row

  82. Big Mike says:

    We’re lucky there. Should’ve been caught

  83. Kyle R says:

    I see even the 49ers can get away from the running game from time to time too. I don’t know why.

  84. bmseattle says:

    Our pass rush has been incredibly bad so far this year.
    I was hopeful it would be somewhat of a strength.

  85. Rob Staton says:

    What a waste of a great play by DK

    FFS Abe

  86. CaptainJack says:

    This is a great time to put Drew Lock into the game and see what happens.

    I mean, we have nothing to lose

  87. Seattle Person says:

    #29 in red looks like a hell of a player.

    Geno just throwing the ball up for grabs now?

  88. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Lucas blocking too well is so 2022 Seahawks

  89. Seattle Person says:

    Big time PI. Can’t complain there Kyle…

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      The pregame announcers were saying that Geno is a 10 year veteran! Sounds impressive. I do like his pretty passes, just not where the passes are going!

  90. Chris says:

    Do the niners have 8 in the box?

  91. Big Mike says:

    So is Lewis now heading for injury prone status?

  92. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Needing a penalty to finally cross the 50 seems about right for this offense.

    • bmseattle says:

      That’s our problem!
      We game planned for a bunch of defensive penalties, gifting us 1st downs, like last week.

  93. Kyle R. says:

    7-10 for 37 yards and one INT…..3.7 yards an attempt!

  94. Chris says:

    Don’t worry this is Pete’s plan

  95. OP_Chillin says:

    Shanahan is so weird. He is very conservative on fourth down overall but then goes for a 4th and long when they coulda pinned us deep or tried a long FG maybe gone up 16-0.

  96. Hawkster says:

    channeling his inner RW

  97. bmseattle says:

    Ok… that was pretty funny.

  98. shotime says:

    Our offense is terrible but one positive thing is that pass protection has been excellent.

  99. OP_Chillin says:

    Complete clownshow!

  100. Big Mike says:

    For the love of God

  101. Seattle Person says:

    What in the world is Waldron doing…Why are we getting weird on offense?

  102. UkAlex6674 says:

    What a douchenozzle of a play 🙁

  103. KD says:

    LOL! What was that?!

  104. Kyle R says:

    Lockett is amazing and always has been when the play breaks down and the QB scrambles for time. The rookie QB next year will be very fortunate to have that.

  105. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Megamind Waldron. 🤷🏽‍♂️

  106. Rob Staton says:

    Jesus wept

    That trick play was embarrassing

  107. Blitzy the Clown says:

    JFC are you kidding me? This isn’t funny

    Dallas throwing a pass? WTF is this shite

  108. TomLPDX says:

    I don’t care. I love Pete doing unusual stuff. He has NEVER done that before.

  109. Chris says:

    Greg bell: how good of a passer is d.j dalles

  110. Mick says:

    I mean what’s next, let Blythe throw? Start Drew Lock if you don’t trust Geno to do it in the red zone.

  111. KennyBadger says:

    What a cute offense. They trust geno so much they have a special teamer throwing a pass in the red zone.

  112. Robbie says:

    I don’t even know what in the hell they are doing letting DJ FLIPPING DALLAS throw the football inside the redzone. GET OUTTA here with that garbage.

  113. Shane says:

    I think the most entertaining thing about that wildcat play was Dallas’s reaction after he threw the pic..

  114. JC3 says:

    Haha, this is not a football team.

  115. CaptainJack says:


    Play Drew Lock

  116. Chris says:

    At least our run d seems to be improving

  117. Chris says:

    Pete will say this is the best d.j has been a a passer

  118. mtpgod says:

    if Dallas would’ve just run that, it would’ve been a 1st down, but that’s why you don’t put the ball in the hands of a RB w/option to pass.

  119. TomLPDX says:

    C’mon guys, get with the program! This is entertainment!

  120. Mick says:

    This is getting ridiculous, and I bet if we lose 43-7 and Broncos stays with the 3 they have so far, some fans will still celebrate.

  121. Chris says:

    I will root for the broncos to lose every game this year. After that I will root for Russ again

    • STTBM says:

      Not me. Hope they go 20-0. Anything that speeds up ridding us of Jody Allen, Carroll, JS, and the entire staff…

      Someone buy the team, hire Todd Liwieke back to find us a real GM and Coach…

  122. Blitzy the Clown says:

    I like the wildcat formation. There’s potential in that set inside the red zone, especially with the RBs and speedy WRs we have on the roster. But FFS run it. Don’t pass it.

  123. Big Mike says:

    And the shitshow continues.
    Our own guy hit him, right?

  124. Blitzy the Clown says:

    He didn’t call for a fair catch? Why the hell not?

  125. Kyle R. says:

    Christ Crawford! They just can’t do a damn thing right!

  126. Mick says:

    We lost before, but I don’t recall the last time we looked so silly.

  127. Rob Staton says:

    Where’s that five page thread on

    A week of grief for fearing it felt like Seattle enjoyed their win against Russell Wilson too much

  128. Gross MaToast says:

    I can safely say that this is not how we look in practice.

  129. Kyle R says:

    Nice 8 yard cushion there Barton.

  130. KD says:

    Well, looks like the Seahawks are who we thought they were :/

  131. TomLPDX says:

    You guys were expecting more? I wasn’t.

  132. cha says:

    Play Smart

    Play Smart

    Play Smart

    Play Smart

    Beat Them On the Ground

    Beat Them On the Ground

    Beat Them On the Ground

    Beat Them On the Ground

  133. AlaskaHawk says:

    I want to see more of Walker in the second half. I don’t care about the passing anymore.

  134. Pran says:

    Seahawks and Broncos stinking up.. Good for draft position.

  135. dand393 says:

    Well only positive today is Wilson looks terrible and Denver looks like shit

    • OP_Chillin says:

      Maybe both parties are just toast at this point. Early in the season, but definite possibility.

    • Roy Batty says:

      Russ was right. Offensive lines do, in fact, matter.

      Unfortunately, he moved from a house that has a basement that floods every year to a house that has a basement that floods every year.

  136. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    With the final scores around the league today, there’s a damn good chance we lock into a top four draft spot, starting this week.

  137. Palatypus says:

    When was the last time we knocked a starting QB out of the game in the first quarter and were down 0-20 at the half?

  138. Rob Staton says:

    That was a total and utter embarrassment

    Terrible coaching, execution, game plan, discipline

  139. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Dear me. I haven’t seen ineptitude of that variety since Jimmy Mora was stalking the sidelines.

  140. AlaskaHawk says:

    Keeping Garapollo has paid off quickly for San Fran.

    Youch this game has been bad for the Seahawks, on both sides of the ball.

  141. Blitzy the Clown says:

    That was the most inept half of football from the Seahawks since Pete Carroll has been the coach

    • Roy Batty says:

      The gadget plays are absurd.

      Solidify your offense, you know the one that disappeared the final 30 minutes last week, before you start digging deep into the playbook for this crap.

  142. mtpgod says:

    Man Russ getting booed for 2nd straight week, let’s ride?

  143. Gary says:

    On a happier note, RW3 looking like hot garbage, Denver’s trailing 6-3, and the crowd is booing the Broncos.

  144. UkAlex6674 says:

    Maybe this will put to bed all those championing Smith as the second coming at QB. I saw someone referring to last weeks game as the ‘passing of the torch’ from Wilson to Smith. Absolute cringe.

    • mtpgod says:

      well this game sucked but I’ll say one thing: we found a good LB in Johnson, he’s been all over the place, hopefully he starts stealing snaps from Barton, who is terrible.

  145. Gross MaToast says:

    Sean Payton and Pete should trade jobs at halftime.

  146. CaptainJack says:

    If both we lose and Denver loses today I say that’s a great result.

  147. 12th chuck says:

    thing that are still an issue,
    1. tackling. several years it has been
    2. offensive play calls. for several years
    3. can’t stop the run,
    4. lack of pass rush or pressure. for several years now
    5. special teams play, at least 2 years
    6. being out coached

  148. UkAlex6674 says:

    Anyone remember an English midfielder in the 80s called Ray Wilkins? His nickname was ‘The Crab’ because he could only pass sideways for 5 yards.

    Think we got Geno a new nickname.

  149. Mick says:

    We got 24 yards rushing in two quarters. Way to go Pete and Shane.

  150. Dave1401 says:

    It scares me how bad this team could be if/when we go on a losing streak and the team quits on Pete

  151. Roy Batty says:

    Special teams blocking has been the worst.

  152. Big Mike says:

    As my cousin said: “Keystone Seahawks”

  153. bmseattle says:

    lucas again?

  154. Big Mike says:

    You know, I’m not a football coach so maybe I’m missing something here but I don’t think I’d block Bosa with a RB.

  155. Pran says:

    I love the question mark on Pete’s face (as if he does not know…)

  156. Big Mike says:

    Love Tyler’s effort in the face of a fiasco.

  157. Roy Batty says:

    So, the Hawks don’t have any receivers apart from #16 & #14?

    Good grief.

  158. bmseattle says:

    I’ve never understood the plan in throwing to a route 5 yards short of the first down marker.
    I suppose they are hoping for yards after the catch, but that’s asking a lot.

  159. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Carroll thought the trick goal line play worked, they just need to throw it better? 🙄

    The intended WR was double covered in the corner of the end zone.

    It did not work. Not at all.

  160. cha says:

    Sideline reporter: I asked PC what was up with those trick plays. He said they worked, we just need to throw the ball better.


    • Mick says:

      Asked PC why we punt, punt, interception, interception, fumble, punt. He says the plans work, we just need better players.

  161. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Lockett is the only player on the offense with proper heart and talent. Everyone else lacks one or the other and some lack both.

  162. Palatypus says:

    Apparently, Denver’s game plan is to pick on rookie Derek Stingley Jr.

  163. Kyle R says:

    Those are just GAPING holes to run through!

  164. Roy Batty says:

    Why are you leaving your feet Nwosu?

  165. bmseattle says:

    Even Jimmy G is breaking tackles.

  166. Chris says:

    Our dominance of the 49ers is officially over

  167. bmseattle says:

    As a lark, Rob should write up a glowingly optimistic article about the Seahawks after this game.

  168. UkAlex6674 says:

    Lets gooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

  169. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Are goal line stands the only thing this D does well?

  170. Seattle Person says:

    That Mike Jack is always in the right spot!

  171. TomLPDX says:


    Michael Jackson is our star this year!

  172. Kyle R says:

    Michael Jackson is a smooth criminal!

  173. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Ah hahahahahaha!

    Eat that 49ers!

  174. Mick says:

    Yey we scored. Glad the ST do their job against DF once again.

  175. Roy Batty says:


    Something good for once.

  176. Palatypus says:

    Dwelley is a welly!

  177. Hawkster says:

    SEA plying the long con, got ’em right were they want them.

    • Blitzy the Clown says:

      The kid’s a baller. Loves to stick his nose right in there whenever he can. Definitely a bright spot

    • Hawkster says:

      Woolen a really bright spot for me. Just dripping with inexperience, but that will change. Length, game speed, hitter, plays hard. Dude is going to be a star.

  178. Henry Taylor says:

    Swear, I would have been fuming had the punter caught him. Great play though

  179. Seattle Person says:

    If we’re going to lose — at least make it enjoyable. A lot of the young guys playing really well.

  180. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Finally, some points! Waldron should draw up some more 5-yd behind the line screen passes to celebrate.

  181. Roy Batty says:

    “Special teams unit may have just saved the game.”


    Is the announcer high? He does know that Geno is still QB, right?

  182. Seattle Person says:

    Darrell Taylor coming alive a little bit this drive.

  183. Hawks4life says:

    Nwosu is our best player so far, dude has heart

    • Roy Batty says:

      Remember the “Dancing Taylor” on the sidelines during pre season?

      The guy is an empty uniform so far this season.

  184. Blitzy the Clown says:

    The defense hasn’t given up

  185. Seattle Person says:

    That was a really bad call. Be better refs!

  186. Big Mike says:

    Killing a good series with a penalty

  187. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    He’s a rook and deserves a chance to improve but through 6 quarters, I may prefer the whatever is left of Kobe to Coby.

  188. Roy Batty says:

    Hey TOP and total yards disparity right back to 2021 levels.

  189. Big Mike says:

    Rain really affecting Jimmy

  190. bmseattle says:

    Taylor is just *not* winning off the edge.
    Super disappointing.

  191. Chris says:

    Wow we stopped them!

  192. Palatypus says:

    Russ 6-20 93 yards and an interception.

  193. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    I really hope Pete doesn’t ruin Will Anderson next year.

  194. Roy Batty says:

    Never a good sign when the Defensive lineman nearly receives the handoff.

  195. Chris says:

    Gotta go for it here

  196. Chris says:

    Oh by the way please don’t forget to block bosa again

  197. Henry Taylor says:

    Why are we running a read option with Geno on 3rd and 4?

    • Roy Batty says:

      It would have been hilarious if this were at Lumen and the fans started chanting “Drew, Drew, Drew” one week after “Geno, Geno, Geno”.

    • bmseattle says:

      I’m beginning to get the sneaking suspicion that the coaching staff doesn’t trust “Safe Geno” to throw the ball in throwing situations.

  198. Whit21 says:

    A lot of ticky tack penalties against the hawks.. seem like they didnt prepare very well.. abe lucas mauling a guy on a fake run play? Cmon bro.. it was a designed pass play.. have to fake the run and get back in pass pro…

    Geno still refuses to step into throws.. slowly backs away from the line..

    No points in 5 quarters.. its not the best decision.. but.. let Drew Lock sling it for the 4th quarter..

  199. Romeo A57 says:

    Now on 5 Quarters with an offensive point. Classic Peterball offense Run-Run-Run 4th Down.

  200. Chris says:

    Not much choice with geno at qb

  201. Roy Batty says:

    Keep ranting Pete.

    It’s all you got.

    • Seattle Person says:

      It was great coverage by Mike Jack though. Nothing you can really do when the ball is under thrown like that.

  202. Canadian Hawk says:

    Al Woods is a very good football player.

  203. Chris says:

    I love it when the nfl rewards a shitty throw

  204. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Remember when Seattle had CBs that knew to turn and face the ball, so as not to guarantee PI? Pepperidge Farms remembers….

    • Seattle Person says:

      In that particular play though, it’s so hard for the CB to get his head turned around. The pass was so under thrown and the CB reads the eyes of the WR to turn around.

      It’s really easy for the WR to draw a PI in that particular play. We’ve seen Tyler do that quite a bit. He slows down and lets the CB run into him.

    • Matthew says:

      They’re all rookies. Mistakes will happen.

  205. Big Mike says:

    The D has gotten better against the run as the game has progressed.

  206. OP_Chillin says:

    Jimmy G really isn’t very good.

  207. Roy Batty says:

    Coby talking smack…😂

  208. Chris says:

    The defense has been much better this half

  209. uptop says:

    Sucks for trey lance, feel really bad for him. Dont feel as bad for the niners trading a lot for him

  210. Chris says:

    They will be lucky to get 1 productive year outta his rookie contract

  211. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Can you imagine if we actually had a viable 3rd WR? Is it Goodwin, by default? Did Eskridge even suit up today?

  212. bmseattle says:

    Our guards standing 2 yards in the backfield after a stuffed running play.
    Not good.

  213. Roy Batty says:

    Genoa patented 10 yard drop back.

  214. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Gabe Jackson can’t even hold well.

  215. Big Mike says:

    Is Metcalf still playing?

  216. Whit21 says:

    I just hoped they came out and was somewhat competitive.. not inept.. kinda ruins the win over russ and the broncos

  217. Sea Mode says:

    Yawn. I’m off to bed…

  218. Palatypus says:

    Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

  219. Chris says:

    Just think of how exciting the draft season is gonna be

  220. Scot04 says:

    RW gets to throw on 4th & 2 at the 50. 1st down.
    Definitely guessing they regret last week.

  221. John says:

    Rob was right about Geno be a very low ceiling QB. After the first half of the Broncos game he has yet to lead a scoring drive.

  222. Chris says:

    No pass rush

  223. Glor says:

    I don’t think anyone has talked about geno having a high ceiling, he is what he is. Hasn’t changed since his days with the jets

  224. Romeo A57 says:

    I may not be a football expert, but I don’t believe that getting outgained by 200 yards every week is sustainable.

  225. Nick says:

    Cody Barton has to be the softest ILB in the league.
    His read step on every play is to shuffle backwards, and then proceed to hug an interior lineman.

  226. Whit21 says:

    What? Broncos fans booing? YOU CANT BOO! Thats bad fandom…

    CaNt dO tHaT!!

  227. Kyle R says:

    My God I switched to watching the Denver vs Houston game and the Broncos coach just screwed time management and scoring again.

  228. OP_Chillin says:

    Not sure if any of you are following what just happened in the Broncos game…wow that coach is having a great career start.

  229. cha says:

    SF 188 yards rushing

    SEA 31

    Utter dominance

  230. bmseattle says:

    Not winning the penalty battle this week, are we?

  231. Chris says:

    Off-season needs: qb,center,guard,entire defensive line,safety,2 inside lb’ers, 3rd wr. Am I missing anything?

  232. Seattle Person says:

    Whatever the defense found in the 2nd half — keep doing it. I still like what we’ve seen from the young CBs. Jackson has had tight coverage despite his PIs. The 2nd one was tough…I thought it was clean.

    Waldron needs to put juice in the run game. Too much Geno. Pretty boring offense.

  233. Chris says:

    This defensive line is so bad at rushing the q.b our db’s are gonna have rough moments.

  234. Palatypus says:

    Ummmm…Falcons coming back against the Rams???????????????????????????????

  235. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    The Seahawks today? To quote Dr. Ian Malcolm: “That is one big pile of shit.”

  236. Gross MaToast says:

    First Coach Fired:

    A. Kliff Kingsbury
    B. Nate Hackett
    C. Frank Reich
    D. Pete Carroll

    Hint: It ain’t Pete.

  237. Chris says:

    At least we don’t have to listen to the media fawn over Pete and his system this week.

  238. bmseattle says:

    I realize it doesn’t matter… but… throw the damn ball, Geno!!!

  239. Big Mike says:

    To use a Rob term……shambolic performance today

  240. Matt says:

    Geno is completing 80% of his passes for a sub 7.0 YPA…the “is he actually great”
    Conversations need to die quickly.

  241. SEAhemoth82 says:

    I think Geno is gonna have to write back this week.

  242. OP_Chillin says:

    I really think it was wrong to think Geno was going to feed DK and “give him more chances,” than Russ. Good on Tyler for playing well.

  243. cha says:

    Sometimes I take pride in writing the watch points.

    Other times I hate it when I’m right.

    Play Smart

    SF turnovers: 0
    SEA turnovers: 3

    SF penalties: 1
    SEA penalties: 10

    SF idiotic coaching decisions: 0
    SEA idiotic coaching decisions: many

    Beat Them On the Ground

    SF 189 rushing yards
    SEA 35

  244. bmseattle says:

    Texans are folding in Denver, unfortunately.

  245. Whit21 says:

    Hah.. the denver crowd is synchronizing the countdown of the play clock for russ… thats hilarious..

  246. Palatypus says:

    If I could go to Pete’s presser, I wouldn’t even ask any questions.

    I’d just throw a red challenge flag every time he opened his mouth.