An interview with Jim Nagy

March 31st, 2020 | Written by Rob Staton

This week I’m going to be publishing two interviews. Tomorrow you’ll hear from Louisiana-Lafayette offensive lineman Robert Hunt. Today, it’s Senior Bowl Executive Director (and former Seahawks scout) Jim Nagy.

I asked Jim about several of the players who competed in Mobile. We also talked about the impact of Covid-19 on the 2020 draft.

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195 Responses to “An interview with Jim Nagy”

  1. Rob Staton says:

    Apologies for the mix on the volume levels. Jim is a lot louder than I am but you can hear the questions. I’ll fix this after the two interviews today and tomorrow — I’m just getting used to the new software.

  2. Murphy says:

    Great interview! Love hearing him mention getting you out to mobile! He has brought up Uche and Baun in both of your interviews with him. If the Seahawks resign Clowney, do you see either as potential early targets? I know pure DE will probably be the target but he seems really high on them.

  3. Garofolo tweet:

    The #Jaguars have heard from multiple interested teams about a possible trade for DE Yannick Ngakoue, who turns 25 today. The Jags value him and won’t give him away for little return but it’ll be interesting to see how this plays out as we draw closer to the draft.

    Not good for us if there are multiple teams…bid war means weneed more draft capital to get him…

    • Sea Mode says:

      His reply:

      Yannick Ngakoue

      Let’s agree to disagree. Why hold a man from taking care of his family. It’s obvious my time is up in my current situation. Let’s both move on @Jaguars 🏁

    • Rob Staton says:

      I don’t think it matters.

      If they’re not willing to pay Clowney or Clark $21m a year, they’re probably not going to pay Ngakoue $21m a year either.

      But on the bright side, Cedric Ogbuehi’s here.

    • Logan Lynch says:

      This isn’t a surprise. Just because multiple teams are “interested”, it doesn’t mean multiple teams are interested to meet JAX demands. If they would, he would’ve been traded already.

      • cha says:

        Yeah that’s it. I read this tweet as a simple attempt to stoke the fire a little.

        The Hawks got a 1 + future 2 for Frank Clark and KC paid him a fortune, but they had the room and (correctly) deduced they were just a piece or two away from a SB. That’s the most logical scenario where you pay a huge premium in both draft capital and payroll. How many teams out there are in that spot right now and like YN enough to make that kind of trade?

        • Rob Staton says:

          Isn’t it exhilarating when a team sees a need and pro-actively fixes it, leading to a Super Bowl win…

          • BruceN says:

            True, but they were in an ideal situation to pull it off. A team loaded with talent, a great QB on a rookie contract and only 1-2 players away from being a SB contender. Seahawks barely meet the first, definitely not the second, and third is not that close.

            p.s. I like your comment above about going after Ogbuehi’s. And don’t forget Warmack!

            • Rob Staton says:

              Certainly they benefit from Mahomes’ contract. But they’re also well aware that he’ll cost more than any player ever within months. And they still traded and signed a long term deal with Clark and several other key players.

              Plus the Seahawks did have cap space this year. They just chose to spend most of it on depth players.

              • BruceN says:

                They had a window and took advantage of it. And things broke their way (like they had no serious and major injuries compared to us who were decimated). When they pay Mahomes the big contract some of the other big contracts will have to go. Such is life in NFL under CAP rules. One positive for them is that Mahomes has signaled he would do a fair deal to help KC. I’m grateful we have Russell but he made it clear he wanted to be the highest paid QB in the league. So that creates little flexibility for the team and they have to draft well. Which we have done only OK in the last 4-5 years.

                As for the CAP, I agree with you and we should’ve spent more on the glaring problem with the DL. Also many of the marginal signings on the OL look to be resurrection projects, hoping to catch a lightning in the bottle.

  4. Strategicdust says:

    Thanks for providing this interview Rob, your coverage and content continue to be top notch. It’s always a pleasure seeing a new article from you. Thanks also for the mock draft simulator, I’ve certainly spent a lot of time with it as I’m sure all of you have, it certainly gives you an appreciation at a much smaller scale of how the draft can go from good to tough so quickly with other teams taking the players you’ve targeted, forcing you into plan B or C. Having completed a number of the mock drafts it’s interesting how important how the wide receivers are to this draft. If there’s an early run on receivers, it puts the Seahawks in a tough place. I don’t see the optimum value going running back or defensive line so early if they trade back into the early to mid thirties but they may be forced to go D line early based on the puzzlingly quiet front office do far. I’m hoping Reagor falls to them, he seems to be the strongest pick in terms of skill and value for that area of the draft. Some other thoughts:
    -Who is the most likely “reach” player the Seahawks might draft with their first pick? It feels like D-line to me.
    -The lack of a fifth round pick feels glaring. There’s a long stretch between the last Seahawks pick in the fourth to the last pick in the sixth round. I suspect they’ll be looking to fill that gap early in their trades.
    -As much as Akers or Dillon would make sense as the RB of choice, my ideal first two picks would be Reagor and Clyde Edwards-Heliaire. That would provide the offensive firepower this team would need for a long time. Get the D-line solved now in free agency to make this happen!

  5. cha says:

    Adam Schefter
    A point multiple teams now have raised: Free agents that don’t have signed contracts by the draft – and many don’t – could put themselves in jeopardy. If a team drafts a player at a certain position, it always could rescind any agreement it had with a free agent. Different times.

    This feels like pressure to get players’ physicals done and the deals signed.

    I have a hard time with this line of thinking. Feels like it’s more a negotiating leverage tactic than reality. Can you honestly expect Draft Pick to have the same impact year 1+2 as the FA you signed?

    • Denver Hawker says:

      I think your point is apt for the Seahawks generally true on the impact front, but the R1 cap commitment isn’t inconsequential for other teams.

  6. Rob Staton says:

    Josina Anderson here… taking time to offer advice on combating Coronavirus with celery juice and lemon water…

    • Thomas Wells says:

      My goodness. Sports reporter with 174,000 followers point blank says the celery juice “will attach to pathogens & flush u out” if you have Coronavirus. Incredibly irresponsible. Wish people would leave the medical advice to…medical professionals

    • icb12 says:


      Also-I honestly didn’t know you could “juice” celery. Is that a thing? How does that work? Do you just jam a bunch of that nasty stuff in the blender and then strain it through cheesecloth or something? Isn’t celery basically crunchy water?

      • cha says:

        Yes that’s basically it icb12. I have a juicer that I use frequently. If you have a powerful enough one, you can juice any fruit or vegetable. Things like celery and cucumber, they just come out tasting like water with a little veggie flavor.

        So it adds a little flavor. But certainly no miracle cure.

        • icb12 says:

          Well. My wife who is much more familiar with vegetables than I, has actually tried this miracle cure unbeknownst to me.. she reports that most people use a Nut-Milk-Bag (yes I guffawed at that) to strain said blended celery. She said it takes a whole bunch of celery to make 16oz of “juice” and that it tastes horrible and salty, and will make you poop explosively on the regular and break out with mass acne after several days.

          So.. yeah. Tastes bad, makes you a danger on the loo, and does not cure corona. Think I’ll be passing on this phenomena.

      • Rob Staton says:

        Apparently so.

        And when it’s blended, it turns into magic pneumonia curing medicine.

        Who knew?


        • jujus says:

          how incredibly irresponsible of such a well (ReSPecTeD journalist) like Josina to share a life saving cure but to leave out the important detail that it only works if administered as a suppository!

  7. Rob Staton says:

    As suggested in the piece two days ago, the Dolphins are clearly very concerned about Tua’s health and not being able to test him and are now desperate to move up to #1…

    Just keep in mind… if you can’t test a guy with a serious injury, giving him $30m guaranteed to be your future is NOT a good idea. They won’t be able to get the Bengals to bite. So don’t be surprised if Miami doesn’t take Tua at #5 and goes a different direction — maybe even Cam Newton.

    • cha says:

      Now watch, Tua is fine and he slips to NE. New dynasty ahoy.

      OK. Got that out my system.

      I think Cam Newton would be a very intriguing fit in Miami. Not saying there isn’t risk or potential issues, but they have a need for a star QB and he’s out there and appears hungry to make his mark.

    • mishima says:

      If I were Miami, I would offer all 3 first round picks + to Houston for Watson who seems on his way out or set to be franchised.

      Or just take Jordan Love at 18 or 26.

      Won’t happen.

      • cha says:

        Well with O’Brien as the GM, you start by offering a 5th round pick and a bag of used jockstraps for Watson.

        • mishima says:

          Dude’s crazy stupid. Should write a book, “How to Lose Fans and Alienate People.”

          • smitty1547 says:

            I was in Houston for the Hopkins trade, you aren’t kidding about that, a 5th alone without the Jock’s might get er done. Remember of course this comes after getting fleeced for Clowney as well, trading for Tunsil without a contract in place. Also a 3rd round pick for Duke Johnson. Bill O’Brien the coach is questionable, but the GM definitely needs to be shown the door.

            • cha says:

              Word out a couple days ago that Houston finally getting around to trying to extend Tunsil. Now watch, they’re going to be shocked – SHOCKED! – when he asks for $20m/yr.

              He could ask for $25m if he wants. They’ve given him tons of leverage.

            • CaptainJack says:

              Hate to say it…

              But with how the Clowney situation is looking now, BOB looks a lot smarter than he did a couple months ago.

          • Bliptai says:

            “Lose Forever”

    • CaptainJack says:

      I can totally see an Aaron Rodgers or Lamar Jackson situation happening with Tua. He slides to the end of round one, a really good team takes him… he sits a year then leads his team to the playoffs year 2.

      Buccaneers would also be smart to draft him if he slips, and let him recover a year while watching and learning from Tom.

  8. Levi says:

    Now that we got Dunbar signed, who seems to be more of an outside cornerback (but has some experience in the slot), slot corner is more of a relative need. Who do you think are the best slot corner options in this class?

  9. Steve Nelsen says:


    I visit your site multiple times a day during this time of year to keep up with the comments. Thank you for your hard work on this site.

    I love Nagy’s suggestion to get you to the Senior Bowl next year. Would you be willing to come up with a budget to make that happen and let us contribute?

    The Nagy interview is the first of what I expect will be many and adds a whole new area of potential content for you. Very cool.

    I paid particular notice to Jim’s thoughts about how the familiarity bias would affect teams during the draft. The psychological aspects of the draft have always fascinated me and there are quite a few studies related to the NFL and the draft. I was actually working on a familiarity bias article a month or so ago similar to the confidence bias piece I wrote for you years ago.

    Stay safe my friend!

    • bigten says:

      Given the familiarity bias angle, would that mean we should look harder at who they met with at the combine? Given those are probably going to be the only ones hawks meet with prior to draft?

      • Steve Nelsen says:

        Not necessarily because we don’t know how those meetings went. If the meeting went poorly the familiarity bias would work against the prospect.

        We also know from the Jim Nagy interview that in addition to Senior Bowl and Combine interviews, teams are using online tools like FaceTime or Zoom to interview prospects since travel is prohibited. So, we probably have much less information this year about who the Seahawks have “met” with than in past years.

        Jim’s point was that if you had testing data for one prospect and had met that prospect then a team was far more likely to draft that prospect than one with a similar grade based solely on tape.

    • Rob Staton says:

      It’s been an aim of mine to attend a Senior Bowl for years. Would love to make it in 2021.

    • brendon light says:

      I could throw in $50. If we all did 50 that should be enough. mobile isn’t that expensive haha!

  10. bigten says:

    this is awesome, Rob. Thank you so much for this content!!

  11. Volume12 says:

    Good sh** pal. No, but seriously. Awesome content.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Thanks 👍🏻

      • Volume12 says:

        I could listen to that stuff all day, but especially Jim. He talks in layman’s terms. Not this crap you see on these draft websites. It’s football. It’s complicated but it’s not. Ya know? We don’t need to say the same thing 5 different ways.

        I’m really glad he touched on get-off over a 40 time from a down lineman.

        • Rob Staton says:

          That’s one thing I’ve noticed over the years listening to (or occasionally interviewing) proper football people. They don’t get mired in jargon. I think too often people use it to try and act like they know more than they do.

          A good example of that was the ‘show us your best move’ video from a few weeks ago.

          • Volume12 says:


            Oh, the Uche one from the combine?

          • cha says:

            Agree 100% Rob.

            I find over the years, I have less and less time for people trying to use fancy words and phrases in order to make an impression. In some of my other passions (whisky, stereo equipment) I just…can’t… people who insist on using phrases that a typical layman would not be able to relate to just to sound learned.

  12. Dorsett will play for vet minimum.

    • New Seahawks WR Phillip Dorsett signed a deal that qualifies for the veteran salary benefit instituted in the new CBA: he received a $137,500 signing bonus and while his total pay will surpass this, he will count just $877,500 against the cap for Seattle.

      • Simo says:

        Seems like a very fair cost and low risk move for a potential #3 WR. Wouldn’t mind Gordon back as well on a very low risk deal, if he’s cleared to play of course!

    • cha says:

      Wow. Thanks. So that’s not much more than the bottom of the roster player. So it’s not $877 cap hit, just whatever over the #51 player on the roster’s cap hit is. $200k or so.

      That’s a great pickup IMO.

  13. I’m told #Seahawks will release S Tedric Thompson, who missed part of last season with a torn labrum, in a salary cap move. Thompson is now healthy, per source.

    Hope this means they will sign somebody soon…

  14. Frank says:

    I agree wholeheartedly on Dorset, and Gordon providing a serious depth upgrade at WR this year. This historic WR draft class has made really nice value veterans options available at WR, and just as good as a flashy new draft pick.
    Leo and another interior disruptor could do wonders for the pass rush, but honestly and maybe it’s just the homer in me, but I really like Green, Poona, Reed, and Clowney. I’d like to see guys added to the rotation, but am leery of bringing in a high paid free agent and expecting them to dramatically change the defense. Clowney must be retained, but unless it’s a Chris Clemons style value addition would rather not hamstring our ability in the future to resign our homegrown guys.

    • Volume12 says:

      This EDGE class is weird for me personally. I could see it being incredibly average. I could also see it being a lot like last years WR class.

      There isn’t a ton of speed rushers or LEOs who jump off the page (screen) in terms of what they typically look for. Feels like this big grouping of guys who are all somewhat similar. I do agree with what Nagy said about there being quite a few options.

      If Okwara had tested, I beleive he would’ve had a Marcus Davenport type rise.

  15. RWIII says:

    Just want to give a SPECIAL THANK YOU to Doug Baldwin. Doug Baldwin is doing a tremendous amount of Volunteer charity work. Especially during this time of need.

    So I want to say thank you to do Doug Baldwin.

  16. Eburgz says:

    Awesome interview Rob. Looking forward to Robert Hunt.

    I liked Jim’s recommendation to not be to quick to dismiss a guy as a pass rusher just because he runs a 4.9. So I decided to put on some Anae games to take another look. First game I check out is the Oregon game and Herbert runs right past Anae the first two plays like he’s stuck in the mud. Hard to shake that visual.

    I think Uche is the one guy I’m really wanting the hawks to draft. Wish he tested at the combine.

  17. Cortez Kennedy says:

    Sweet. Now they just need to cut Britt, Hunt, Willson, Warmack, Ogbuehi and rescind the tag on David Moore. J/k (not really but it won’t happen)

    • Group Captain Mandrake says:

      Hopefully they restructure Britt to keep him. Willson probably doesn’t make it though camp depending on Dissly’s rehab. I don’t think Ogbuehi makes it either. Warmack wasn’t horrible before the injuries kept him out, so I’m keeping an open mind about him.

      • Comfect says:

        Isn’t Warmack also on a vet. benefit contract, so he’s not really taking up cap room equal to his pay?

    • DJ 1/2 Way (Sea/PDX) says:

      If there is a season it will be with little or no off season work and a tiny preseason. This might be a good year to stick with experienced players like Britt, Hunt and Willson, rather than try to get the O line comfortable with each other.

  18. Rob, first question was about pass ruahers and DL, and who impressed him the most. Without hesitation he said Uche. It was strange to me ,because last time he said he is more off ball LB. Though he repeted it later in interview.

    Do you think Uche could be that LEO pick, or you are still on “Uche is SAM who can rush the passer on 3rd down” take?

  19. cha says:

    Ian Rapoport
    Per NFL exec Peter O’Reilly on the draft, NFL teams will be able to have 10 or fewer people in a room and they must be 6-feet away. So, at least, it appears personnel executives will be able to gather in a room at some level.
    11:42 AM · Mar 31, 2020

    • Cortez Kenedy says:

      Hopefully Scott McLaughlin will be one of the guys in our draft room. I hold out hope we will hire him back every year.

    • BoiseSeahawk says:

      Seems like they should just increase the time allotted between each pick.
      That way you could give a little more time to handle trades/selections with limits to in-person staff.
      PLUS we would have more live “sports” to entertain us the longer they draw this thing out.

    • Logan Lynch says:

      Better have a 6 foot grabber on a pole to hand the phone over between the staff when they call the picks.

      Also will be a weird setup for the daily wrap-up interviews with PC and JS sitting at the same table, but 6ft apart. Won’t be held in the draft room since that would give too much of a look at their board.

  20. Donny Henson says:

    So after cutting Dickson and Thompson, restructuring Wilson’s contract, and adding Irvin (3m cap hit), Dorsett (vet min), and Luke Willson (vet min), we got 24.9 m in real cap. you could get Clowney and Griffen, but we wouldn’t have cap for Draft, Injury, and Practice Squad. We might need to let go of Britt to cover that.

    • Comfect says:

      That depends entirely on how Clowney and Griffen would be structured, especially the length of deals. Not hard at all to get them both in if you can give them signing bonuses that spread out over more years (and thus lower year-one hit).

      • Donny Henson says:

        Clowney- 4 yr 80 mil, cap hit year 1: 15 m
        Griffen=- 3 yr 36 mil, cap hit year 1: 9 m

        • cha says:

          Clark got 5y/$104m and his first year hit was $6.5m

          • Donny Henson says:

            Sure but Clark agreed to that, Clowney probably wouldn’t agree to that.

            • Rob4q says:

              Why not? He still get’s all his guaranteed money and signing bonus – it’s all in how the team structures the contract to help fit it in year one of the deal.

              • John_s says:

                And Franks 3-5 year cap hits are $25, $26 and $27 mil meaning that KC will have to make a decision after year two on if they can afford to keep him at the cap #.

                Also Seattle does not do 5 year contracts. They do 4 years max so the spread of the signing bonus would be higher yearly than Frank Clark’s

                • John_s says:


                  It would be after year 3 for Clark

                  • Another thing to think about here is the way the Seahawks have always structured there deals. They only guarantee the first year. So if you have a four year contract that is great but Clowney would get all of his money in the first year so its hard to get his first year cap hit down that far. If they signed him to a 4 year $74m deal (18.5 apy) he would likely get $40 guaranteed at signing with not guaranteed past year one. If you gave him a $36m signing bonus and a base salary of $4m his cap hit would be $13m. That is probably as low as your going to get and that is probably why thy talked about a one year deal being $13m

  21. It will affect a lot when it comes to trade talks…John always speaks about how many peoples are calling phones…

  22. Spencer says:

    We keep knocking guys like Uche for not being able to play Leo, but I think it offers and interesting solution that we haven’t thought of yet. When the Seahawks added Avril and Bennett along Clemons, they then drafted Irvin and moved him to strong side backer out of necessity to get his pass rushing skills on the field. They haven’t used someone in that role exclusively since obviously, but that could be because it hasn’t been necessary afterwards. After all, Mingo was used sometimes used in a similar role even if it wasn’t as effective, but that shows they’re at least willing to still try that concept. Maybe like that offseason, they see adding a guy like Uche in the late second as an opportunity to get more pass rush on the field. That allows Uche and Griffin to play strong side LB, and move Barton back to backup MLB where he seems more suited.

    I still heavily believe that Clowney will be back, and another guy thats enticed me recently is Markus Golden. I’ve been a fan since his draft year, and although he has been up and down, he really looked good last year. His market is cold, and that could allow the Seahawks to offer an incentive based deal. I don’t agree with PFFs article claiming he was mostly a cleanup guy, but even a cleanup skillset across from Clowney could be exactly what the Seahawks need. With Clowney getting regular doubles and causing havoc on the other side, pressure coming from Uche and Griffin, and increased coverage from the additions of Dunbar and a full season of Diggs, we’ll need a guy to come in and cleanup when the pocket collapses. Having him and Irvin rotating at Leo is a massive upgrade to anything we had last year.

    Clowney as our Bennett, Golden and Irvin as our Clemons and Avril, and Uche and Griffin as our Irvin, looks like a much stronger, realistic option for an improvement given the current cap and draft pick situation. This also allows them to focus their first and other second on whichever value presents itself from RB, WR, OL or DT.

    • Spencer says:

      Apologies for typos, its 4am here in China and I lay awake stressing about the offseason.

    • Rob Staton says:

      This isn’t wholly accurate though.

      The Seahawks drafted Bruce Irvin in 2012 and declared he was the ‘ideal LEO’. Then a year later, they signed Bennett and Avril. Now I don’t think they anticipated being able to get one of those guys — let alone both. But having added two premier pass rushers they then needed to find a way to get them on the field. So they moved Bruce to a different role where — if I’m not mistaken — he actually lost the job to Malcolm Smith in 2013.

      He gained it back, of course, but he then departed wishing to go to a team that would let him rush the passer more often.

      They didn’t draft Bruce Irvin to compliment Avril and Bennett as a SAM/LEO. He ended up in that role because they wanted to find a way to get him on the field having signed Bennett and Avril. And it was a decision to get his athleticism on the field more so than his pass rushing skills.

      Nonetheless — yes Uche could be the pick. More so due to his length and pressure percentage.

  23. From some guy who covers Vikings:

    Source close to former #Vikings DE Everson Griffen says he definitely has interest in signing with Seattle Seahawks and they could be interested in him if they don’t re-sign DE Jadeveon Clowney. Clowney remains domino that likely needs to fall before Griffen signs with any team.

    • Zeta Hawk says:

      So sounds like the plan has is to just sign Clowney..

      Will pretty much gurantee we draft Dlinemen early. Hopefully that sweet spot is there for us in the draft.

    • Hawk Mock says:

      What’s with the either/or – just sign them both already and be done with it.

    • Jhams says:

      Should be noted that this reporter is extremely hated by Vikings fans and once tweeted that he called Griffen and got hung up on. Probably not the best source.

  24. Coach says:

    Seahawks cut Dickson also, so save $5 mil in cap space by releasing Thompson and Dickson!

    Time to make a move!

    Go Hawks!!

  25. WALL UP says:

    Health appears to be the key in the release of these players. This could be the reason for the time taken to make these transactions. Those thinking of an imminent release of Britt may have to wait a while, unless they restructure instead. Could an injury settlement be given Britt, with the chance of resigning when he’s healthy?

    If they do something with Britt, and restructure KJ, perhaps something exciting is finally in store for the DL.

  26. Sea Mode says:

    Hamler’s agents at CAA requested his GPS information from Penn State’s sports-science staff and highlighted the receiver’s top speed while carrying the football from each of his two college seasons (21.76 mph as a redshirt freshman in 2018 and 21.58 mph this past season). They plugged that data into the list of the top speeds for ball carriers in the NFL last season, as compiled by Next Gen Stats, putting Hamler in a tie for eighth and 13th, respectively. (The 22.30 mph 49ers running back Matt Breida posted on an 83-yard touchdown against the Browns tops the list.) They are planning to send that list to NFL teams this week to show them that, yes, the speed they see on film when they’re watching Hamler’s tape is NFL-caliber.


    “DeSean Jackson — K.J. has that kind of speed,” Hobgood said, comparing the 5-foot-9, 178-pound Hamler to the 5-10, 175-pound Jackson. “The difference is K.J. is a little stronger than him, especially in his upper body. DeSean struggled to bench press 225 (pounds) one time; K.J. did it 15 times. So not only does K.J. have that elite-level speed — he also has tremendous upper-body strength to go along with that.”

    Hobgood said Hamler’s 40 time when he arrived at EXOS to begin training was an electronically timed 4.36. As the staff continued to track Hamler’s progress both in the 0-to-20-yard and 20-to-40-yard portion of his runs, they projected he would run in the mid-4.2s at the combine, which would’ve put him in the running for the fastest time in Indy this year. (Alabama receiver Henry Ruggs III took the honor with a 4.27.)

    • J says:

      With the way we crave speed I would not be suprised if he was the pick. Hands are an issue though.

      • Eburgz says:

        On a somewhat related note, Zebra had Van Jefferson at just over 21 MPH at the senior bowl. A little faster than Duvernay was clocked at. And Duvernay ran in the 4.3s and Ruggs in the 4.2s. Van Jefferson can fly. Would be a great mid round pick for the hawks IMO.

  27. Rob4q says:

    Ran the Sim just now and Mekhi Becton lasted all the way to 27. I was very tempted to just take him! But instead I made this deal with NY Giants:

    NYG Received:
    Pick 27

    SEA Received:
    Pick 36
    Pick 99
    Pick 150
    2021 NYG 6th

    Now lets see if they actually take him there and who will be left for us at 36…this sim is truly an awesome tool and so much fun to play with!

    • Rob4q says:

      Giants took Becton as expected and I went full on JS by trading all over the place – six times!!!

      NYG Received:
      Pick 27 – Mekhi Becton

      SEA Received:
      Pick 36 – Lucas Niang (traded to Mia)
      Pick 99 – Rashard Lawrence (traded to Det)
      Pick 150 – Hakeem Adeniji
      2021 NYG 6th (traded to GB)

      MIA Received:
      Pick 36 – Lucas Niang

      SEA Received:
      Pick 39 – Terrell Lewis (traded to Chi)
      Pick 153 – Antoine Brooks Jr.

      CHI Received:
      Pick 39 – Terrell Lewis

      SEA Received:
      Pick 43 – Julian Okwara
      Pick 163 – McTelvin Agim
      2021 CHI 6th (traded to Det)

      SEA Received:
      Pick 85 – Willie Gay Jr.

      DET Received:
      Pick 99 – Rashard Lawrence
      Pick 133 – John Simpson
      2021 CHI 6th

      SEA Received:
      Pick 192 – Joe Reed

      GB Received:
      Pick 214 – Justin Herron
      2021 NYG 6th

      TEN Received:
      2021 SEA 7th

      SEA Received:
      Pick 237 – Josh Metellus

      And here is the final draft haul:

      Julian Okwara
      DE Notre Dame

      Clyde Edwards-Helaire
      RB LSU

      Jabari Zuniga
      DE Florida

      Willie Gay Jr.
      OLB Mississippi State

      Robert Hunt
      G Louisiana

      Thaddeus Moss
      TE LSU

      Hakeem Adeniji
      OT Kansas

      Antoine Brooks Jr.
      S Maryland

      McTelvin Agim
      DT Arkansas

      Joe Reed
      WR UVA

      Josh Metellus
      S Michigan

    • J says:

      I would not be shocked if he was at 27 in real life.

      • JimQ says:

        Here is my most recent go at a draft simulation, tried to think like JS with all of the trades. Seahawks NET picks: 44, 59, 62, 94, 101, 107, 115, 133, 151, 160 & 220. Draft goals with these trades: Get as many picks as possible in the top-100. + now there is a lesser need @ WR due to FA signing.
        Trade #1: #30 to Bengals for #33 & #107
        Trade #2: #33 & #214 for Chargers #37, #151 & #22
        Trade #3: #37 & #144 for Cleveland #41 & #115
        Trade #4: #41 for Colts #44 & #160.

        My Mock:
        44. Julian Okwara, DE, Notre Dame, (Best available here in a position of great need.)
        59. Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB, LSU, (a need filled here, RB by committee coming soon.)
        62. Isaiah Wilson, OT Georgia, (Massive ORT who should start quickly.)
        94. James Lynch, DT, Baylor, (Old style mauler, strong, hot motor, disruptive, moldable.)
        101. Robert Hunt, OG Louisiana (An SDB favorite as an addition to the OL.)
        107. Hunter Bryant, TE, Washington, (A superb move TE, may push Hollister to the PS?)
        115. Antonio Gibson, RB/WR/KR Memphis, (Multi-dimensional chess piece on Offense.)
        133. Kindle Vildor, CB (slot), Georgia Southern, (Chirps like Sherman & blankets guys)
        151. Davion Taylor, OLB, Colorado, (Full field LB with + coverage skills)
        116. Quintez Cephus, WR Wisconsin, (For competition as a #4 or #5 WR.)
        220. Cole McDonald, QB Hawaii, (A developmental B/U QB with + long balls, ala RW?)

  28. swedenhawk says:

    Great stuff, Rob!

  29. Jace says:


    *Note: This mock was simply based off what the team has done so far through FA. A lot of these players will change if they ever decide to address the EDGE situation. I also mocked players I didn’t have in my last mock. Last mocks first 4 picks were I. Wilson, Okwara, Cushenberry, and Pittman JR. I also like Zuniga but didn’t want to put him in because Rob just discussed him in great length.

    Trade 27 to LA Chargers for 37 and 71

    RD 2: 37- DT- Justin Madubuike- Texas AM
    A player who gives great effort and a good run defender who can get in the backfield to create a TFL. This pick gives them a hedge for Reed being a FA again in two years, and helps with the loss of Q-Jeff.

    RD2: 59- DE- Curtis Weaver- Boise St.
    An extremely agile athlete that is a competitor. Does a great job of creating pressure in the backfield. 34 sacks in the past three seasons, and we all know the Hawks could use a few more of those. He also has experience dropping into coverage and has Bruce Irvin here to potentially help teach him the ropes.

    RD2: 64- OT- Lucas Niang- TCU
    Injuries push him down the list this far, otherwise could have been a much higher pick. Massive dude who I could see Solari liking. Niang didn’t allow a sack during his junior season. Had his senior year cut short due to a hip injury.

    RD3: 71- DE- Jonathon Greenard- Florida
    A great leader with proven production in the SEC in 2019. Gives competition for LJ Collier and Rasheem Green.

    RD3: 101- LB- Troy Dye- Oregon
    Could potentially fill the Mychal Kendricks role. Proven tackler who played through a broken thumb in 2019. Can also get to the QB with 15 sacks over his career at Oregon.

    RD 4 133- WR- James Proche- SMU
    Caught 111 balls last year. Savvy route runner with sticky hands. Can get open underneath while Lockett and DK stretch the field. Can also return punts and kicks.

    RD 4: 144 CB- Joshua Kelley- RB- UCLA
    Dominated the Senior Bowl and fits the mold of what the Hawks look for in a RB.

    RD 6: 214- Michael Ojemudia- Iowa
    A 4.4 runner with plus 32 inch arms? Sounds like a Seahawks corner to me.

  30. So with the news that they released both Dickson and Thompson they gain $5.1m between them. That opens up two spots in the top 51 which would be taken by the players who were in spots 52 and 53 which are $750k each. Total net savings between the two are $3.6 million and could end up being less depending on what happens with there injury settlement which wouldnt affect us until the season starts. It also looks like the contract for Phillip Dorsett will be an MSB contract which makes his 2020 cap hit at $750k which means he will be a net $0 in cap space to sign with the team. Just waiting for Irvin now.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Surely whoever they sign next will push those guys back out of the top-51 though, so you retain the saving from their salaries because they won’t count.

    • Looks like Dorsett’s is a little different than Warmack. Warmack had $137.5k in roster bonuses where Dorsett gets his $137.5k in a signing bonus so Dorsett’s cap hit would be $887.5k not $750k.

    • Bertelli says:

      Thanks, Greg for the update on the numbers. I also appreciated your post on the Clowney contract, I didn’t realize the Seahawks only guaranteed one year. If they did sign Clowney for the 4/$80, (($13M against the cap), what kind of contract do you think Yannick would command if they traded for him? Could they do something similar?…., just go to the ATM for $80M and call it a year? I assume Yannick would want more than one-year guaranteed? I believe they want Yannick or a blockbuster trade-up. Something has to change. Thanks for helping a salary cap 101’er!

      • I’m sure Yannick would want to be in the $20m club as well. You can look at the last two big co tracts the Seahawks did. Russell Wilson had $70m guaranteed at signing and they did it with a $65m signing bo us and a $5m base salary. Then they signed Bobby Wagner for 3 years $54m with $24.5m guaranteed. $15m signing bonus and a $9.5m base salary.

  31. Hawk Mock says:

    Great interview Rob. Interesting to see that he believes there will be plenty of options to help the DL in rounds 2-3 for the Hawks. I know that isn’t the prevailing thought, and I wouldn’t expect anyone in that area to be a savior or anything for the upcoming season, but it does give some hope they might be able to add some talent there if they can go ahead and resign Clowney and/or get Griffen.

  32. schuemansky says:

    Just read that Adrian Clayborn signed with the Browns.
    I really hoped we would have picked him up.
    IMO greatly undervalued DL depth.

    • Davido says:

      I also really like him. He always looks very productive on the field. They had mutiple chances now to grab him so I guess they don’t like him.

  33. Volume12 says:

    If Seattle can get another 3rd I still like WR Bryan Edwards there if available.

    Has the right mindset, DBs aren’t gonna push him around and impede him in any way, and the way he battles in contested catch situations? *chef’s kiss*

    • Rob Staton says:

      Yep, he’d be great value in the third.

      • Volume12 says:

        I like Duvernay too who you’ve had in your latest mocks. That take the top off speed should be very attractive to them. Jim mentioned Golden Tate, but for me, and I used this comp before with him, I see a more explosive and more well rounded Ty Montgomery.

        • Rob Staton says:

          I like Duvernay’s speed, the way he competes and his personality/attitude. I’m not crazy about other aspects though. Lot of manufactured production. Not quite as free and fluid as Golden or Deebo. But if they don’t go receiver early — I think he’s a decent consolation prize down the line.

          • Volume12 says:

            Yeah I get that. Having to create opportunities for him is certainly a drawback. Having an element like that in their offense would be fun though.

            • Eburgz says:

              How do you guys like Van Jefferson? Kinda fits in that same range. Much different than Duvernay. Mentioned up above Zebra had Jefferson Running 21MPH and a smidge faster than Duvernay was clocked at. So presumably he’s at least 4.4 fast.

              • Volume12 says:

                I like Jefferson. Nothing spectacular. Little bit older. Super solid. The route running is on point. Gets in and out of his breaks nice and clean. Should be a slot receiver in the NFL. I think he goes in that range as well.

                • Rob4q says:

                  How about Joe Reed – WR, UVA as a late round pick?

                  • datrain says:

                    Joe Reed is a dude. The Hawks need a consistent return man and he can do that. He is a big version of McKissic (in that he does the same things…a WR that can play in the backfield, do kick returns, and could be a special teams ace). Led the nation in KOR (33 yd avg, has run 5 to the house) and was an All-American in that regard. Played RB in high school. Negatives; not a sharp route runner, used as a gadget guy more than a traditional receiver so he will need time to develop. Late 4th/early 5th sleeper.

                  • Volume12 says:

                    From the couple games I caught of his at Virginia I liked him as a return specialist/ace. Excels at YAC. More of a gadget type. Will need the right system to excel, but for a team like Seattle I could see him in a Ricardo Lockette role. He’s fun.

                    I agree with datrain. Kinda seems like a RB in a WRs body. IMO he’s more of a 6th-7th rounder.

        • Sea Mode says:

          Huge Duvernay fan. 🙋🏼‍♂️

    • Henry Taylor says:

      Bryan Edwards is fantastic, probably made the catch of the year against Tennessee. If he ends up in San Fran with his old teammate, and former favourite of mine, Deebo Samuel, I’ll be very upset.

      Does anyone know how serious his injury is? Is it something that would be healed up by the new season?

      • Pugs1 says:

        Edwards broke his foot training for the combine. He was also coming off a knee injury which ended his season. With no combine, pro day workout or team physical all teams will have is tape. It’s good tape but IMO any player with a incomplete draft profile is gonna get dropped at least a round. I’m actually hopeful the Seahawks can acquire a few extra day three picks to scoop up some unexpected sliding players.

  34. charlietheunicorn says:

    John Clayton hypothesized he has heard that the Jags will be lucky to get a haul of draft picks similar to what was gotten for Dee Ford last offseason. More or less a 2nd round pick.

    Here is how I read what he was saying…. this either means Seattle trades the #27 for this guy and a draft pick back (3rd or 4th or 5th) or Seattle might give them the 27 for him, but then have them pick-up some of the salary on the first year of his deal (say 5M) so they could sign him up 20M (minus 5M from Jacksonville) so he would be around 15M the first year. This is shockingly close to the amount they are “allegedly” willing to pay Clowney. This can’t be a coincidence.

    Very intriguing reading of the tea leaves.

    • Rob Staton says:

      It is intriguing. I still don’t understand why the Seahawks are fixated on obtaining so much value for a pass rusher though. It’s a vital position of need. Just get a deal done. Inject some quality into an area of not mild need — but extreme need.

      I mean — imagine not doing a Ngakoue trade unless they’re willing to pay a bit of his salary? Or imagine losing Clowney over 18.5m vs 20m (per local reports).

      • Zete Hawk says:

        Since the NFL has a salary cap, cost effectiveness has to be scutinized to every penny. GMs are trying to get an advantage in any way possible. They employ a team of analysts to determine proper value. Although it may seem like only a couple million difference to us, that couple million could be the difference in the future when acquiring other crucial talent or resigning one of our core cplayers.

        • Rob Staton says:

          Yep — I mean, where would the Seahawks be without Cedric Ogbuehi?

          Come on. Let’s be serious here. If we were talking about $5m I’d take the point. But a couple of million to get your self confessed huge priority through the door, at your biggest position of need? You do it. You don’t quibble about what fringe player you won’t be able to sign the following year.

          • Zete Hawk says:


          • Sea Mode says:

            I know that’s the report that’s come out, but I just find it hard to believe that the two sides are only that far apart. If that were the case, as you say, this deal would have gotten done a long time ago.

            • Rob Staton says:

              Then they need to move on. Because there’s no point waiting for Clowney to give in to your demands. He has proven he won’t be blindsided into doing what a team wants.

              So move on. Sign someone else.

              Or just pay him.

      • Shawn Berry says:

        I do not like any first round defensive options and have always thought a trade back was inevitable…..but….. Laviska Shenault Jr. has got me very intrigued…the injury risk is real but how about the fit? I like it!

  35. no frickin clue says:

    I tried the mock draft simulator again with a different approach: do multiple small moves down in the bottom of the 1st round and top of the 2nd round in order to get more early Day 3 picks. Here’s what transpired.

    Trade #1: Trade 1.27 to Titans for 1.29 and 5.174
    Trade #2: Trade 1.29 and 6.214 to Chiefs for 1.32 and 3.96
    Trade #3: Trade 1.32 to Colts for 1.34 and 4.122
    Trade #4: Trade 1.34 to Chargers for 1.37 and 4.151

    This resulted in a total of 10 picks, as follows.

    2.37 Cesar Ruiz, C, Michigan
    2.59 Josh Uche, OLB, Michigan
    2.64 Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB, LSU
    3.96 Robert Hunt, G, Louisiana
    3.101 Rashard Lawrence, DE, LSU
    4.122 Bryce Hall, CB, Virginia
    4.133 Quartney Davis, WR, Texas A&M
    4.144 Colton McIvitz, OT, West Virginia
    5.151 Kindle Vildor, CB, Georgia Southern
    6.186 Tanner Muse, S, Clemson

  36. Bigten says:

    Just read seahawks had formal interviews with Texas safety Brandon Jones, Florida edge Greenard, and…….. LLU Robert Hunt! Can’t wait to here from him tomorrow. Thank you for the awesome content Rob.
    Side Note, seems like we are interviewing a lot of safeties. Weren’t there multiple at combine too?

  37. Quijibo says:

    Not bad for a first try:

    SEA 40.Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB LSU

    SEA 59.Jabari Zuniga DE Florida

    SEA 68.Isaiah Wilson OT Georgia

    SEA 101.Chase Claypool WR Notre Dame

    SEA 133.Michael Ojemudia CB Iowa

    SEA 144.Logan Stenberg G Kentucky

    SEA 181.Trevis Gipson DE Tulsa

    SEA 211.Trey Adams OT Washington

    SEA 214.Calvin Throckmorton C Oregon

    SEA 240.Jacob Breeland TE Oregon

    SEA 252.John Reid CB Penn State

    2021 NYJ 6th

  38. James says:

    Anyone have a confirmation of Tyreek Hill to Seattle?

  39. SteveLargent80 says:

    Looks like Kollman put out a video on CEH. Same stuff Rob’s been saying for months. Really appreciate how ahead of the curve Rob is when it comes to this stuff. Last year he was the first one to say Kyler would play football and go to the Cardinals. My favorite sports blog by far.

  40. Coach says:

    Mid to late-round contributors. What are your thoughts on:




    They were included in the top 10 sleepers for 2020 draft by PFF

    Go Hawks!!

  41. DC says:

    Did the NFL just expand the playoffs to 14 teams amidst all this mayhem?

    • charlietheunicorn says:

      7 AFC 4 winners / 3 WCs; only top seed gets 1st round bye.
      7 NFC 4 winners / 3 WCs; only top seed gets 1st round bye.


    • Rob Staton says:

      I’m glad the NFL is getting on with things.

      I’m getting on with things. I have to.

      So do many others.

      It’s nice to have a distraction from time to time.

  42. Von says:

    I traded next years 1st & 3rd to move up to 12. I really wanted a WR but you can’t get everything and I was ok adding Dorsett & getting Hunter Bryant. I know it’s all pie in the sky, but this was 2nd run on the simulator.

    Isaiah Simmons
    OLB Clemson
    trade icon
    SEA 64.
    Jabari Zuniga
    DE Florida
    SEA 74.
    Isaiah Wilson
    OT Georgia
    trade icon
    SEA 101.
    Cam Akers
    RB Florida State
    SEA 115.
    Hunter Bryant
    TE Washington
    trade icon
    SEA 144.
    Amik Robertson
    CB Louisiana Tech
    SEA 172.
    Hakeem Adeniji
    OT Kansas
    trade icon
    SEA 195.
    Benito Jones
    DT Ole Miss
    trade icon
    SEA 214.
    Trevis Gipson

  43. It looks like they released T2 and Dickson with faild phisical. If they dont sign with anybody that will cost us 1.2 mil for Dickson and 1.05mil for T2.

  44. Kingdome1976 says:

    I have heard reports that we are willing to pay Clowney 13 million all the way up into the 20’s. Why do we assume that it’s only a few million apart on what we want to pay and want Clowney is demanding?

    What if Clowney is demanding over 20 million per year(very possible) and we are only willing to pay 13-15 million(very possible). We have to consider this a possibility..correct?

    5-7 million or so per year difference is not something to just throw to the side. I have been saying for quite sometime now that there are serious concerns about paying Clowney that much money. Clearly every other team in NFL including the Seahawks have concerns as well. Now, you can chalk it up to the virus but it seems to me that’s a bit of a cop-out.

    14-16 million per sounds about right to me. I honestly wouldn’t feel comfortable in the above 20 range.

    I know he has moments of ‘game wrecking’ plays. However, he had 3 sacks last year. You tell me the last player in the NFL that had 3 sacks as a DE and received 20+ million per no matter how much of a ‘game wrecker’ he was. You give me the list….you convince me.

    You can’t simply say “Well he’s the best option so pay the man”. Clearly this is not what the front office is thinking.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Nobody is assuming anything.

      Local media has reported $18.5m as the figure they were willing to go to. Just this week one member of the local media said Clowney is looking for $21m. Previously others have said $20m.

      It had also been suggested they were willing to offer him a cheaper contract albeit on a shorter term arrangement.

      So no assumption at all.

      And with these figures it’s very plausible to say just get it done. They called him a huge priority. Now they run the risk of wasting the 2020 season by not getting the pass rush sorted. If you’re willing to go to $18.5m just go to $21m. Sort it out. Nobody is going to turn round in five years and fret over giving him $2.5m more a year than they were comfortable doing. We will fret if in 12 months time we’re having the same conversation about the DL being terrible and costing them another SB run.

      • Trevor says:

        I tend to agree Rob just ,get this deal done and figure out a way to add another legit pass rusher. I have been really struggling to figure out why this deal is not done and the only thing that makes sense is that Clowney has some medical concern that is preventing them from being willing to commit to a long term guaranteed contract. Nothing else makes any sense given the current state of the DL. If that is the case however why didn’t they make other moves earlier in free agency. No of it makes any sense for a front office that has always addressed glaring roster weaknesses aggressively in the past.

        • Von says:

          I think the medicals might be holding things up as well. But what if they’ve decided that the don’t want another defensive player to be making more than Wagner? Is that possibly why they didn’t sign Frank last year? Just a thought.

          • Hawktalker#1 says:

            If the Seahawks already have an offer on the table, which is reported to be the fact, it doesn’t appear medicals are really factoring into this at all. It appears more likely that Seattle is just unwilling to pony up the extra money that Clowney wants. Again the Cliché , penny wise, dollar foolish.

  45. Henry Taylor says:

    I tried a different tact with the mocks, moving back all the way to #46 for #77 and #95 (broncos trading up for Fulton) so I could target a pass rusher with the first pick and then have freedom and draft selections to do what I want later on. Very happy with the haul, I didn’t mean to raid the state of Louisiana as much as I did but is anyone complaining.

    46. Jabari Zuniga, DE Florida
    59. Clyde Edwards-Helaire,RB LSU
    64. Lloyd Cushenberry, C LSU
    77. Rashard Lawrence, DT LSU
    95. Robert Hunt, G Louisiana
    117. Bryce Hall, CB UVA
    133. Thaddeus Moss, TE LSU
    144. Amik Robertson, CB Louisiana Tech
    194. Quez Watkins, WR Southern Miss
    203. Trevis Gipson, DE Tulsa

    • Hawktalker#1 says:

      Really like the players you have in there. It may have been a perfect draft if you could’ve added Datsun in there at the end. As I have been marking, I have been trying to get Willie gay Junior in there as my cherry on top. Easier said than done without using draft picks from 2021.

  46. GerryG says:

    Thanks Rob, love listening to Jim. It’s so cool to hear someone love and thrive in their job like he does.

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