Brock Osweiler tape review vs Oregon

January 15th, 2012 | Written by Rob Staton

Players with vast potential and a high ceiling will always get drafted early. If you ask most people if they’d be willing to select LSU defensive tackle Michael Brockers in round one, they’ll respond in a positive manner. The Seahawks need a three-technique who can play every down and maintain the ‘stop-the-run’ logic of this defense. Brockers is far from the finished article and may go through a learning curve that limits his rookie-impact.

This is no different to Arizona State quarterback Brock Osweiler, who has undoubted physical talent and a ceiling as high as most quarterbacks that have entered the league in recent years. Teams are willing to reach for potential in the NFL and the rookie wage scale encourages a lower financial gamble on the position. If the Seahawks ever want to draft a player who could be ‘the one’ without actually owning a top-five pick, they’ll need to take the plunge on a player like this.

I’ve previously gone through Osweiler’s tape against USC, Utah and Boise State. Today we’ll take a look at his performance against Oregon (courtesy of MarioClp) and there are several examples that prove he has the kind of potential to be a high pick:

0:08 – Looks down the middle of the field and then back to the deep right with a receiver going downfield in single coverage. Osweiler’s forced to throw off his back foot because there’s pressure, but he delivers a pass with the right velocity into an area for the receiver to make a play. Not many quarterbacks can generate that much punch on a throw off the back-foot.

0:34 – Evidence of a willingness to make progressions as he originally looks to his right before coming back to the underneath crossing route. Smart play.

1:04 – Although this isn’t a completed pass, it’s further evidence of how Osweiler is adjustable and will improvise. Due to the blitz and pressure, he changes the angle of his delivery in order to get the ball quickly to the receiver before taking the hit. A side-arm release is never ideal even on a 6-8 quarterback, but Osweiler is not a robotic passer restricted to one delivery. Being able to improvise is an underrated quality for quarterbacks.

1:41 – Terrific pass to the right inside corner of the end zone. He waits for the route to develop, scans the field and spots an open receiver running to the end zone. It’s still a tight window he has to throw in and it’s only due to his arm strength that he’s able to make that pass. Some quarterbacks will hesitate to make such a throw, others will just be incapable of completing it. This is why we need to start talking about Osweiler as a round one option.

2:24 – Standard inside slant, spots the receiver making a good break and delivers a perfect ball for the first down.

3:02 & 3:42 – Two more slants, but evidence that Osweiler is comfortable in the pocket and taking what the defense gives. He’s not just about forcing big plays downfield, he can make good, accurate plays in the pocket.

4:27 – A similar touchdown pass to the first at 1:41, this is all on Osweiler’s arm strength. He shows an ability to exploit single coverage and put the ball in an area for his receiver to make a big play. Again, this is a tremendously difficult throw that most quarterbacks simply won’t be able to make, but it’s a perfect spiral with good height and velocity. There’s such a short window for the defensive back to react due to the speed in which the ball reaches the target.

5:55 – Good decision to throw the ball away, but he allowed the play to develop before making that choice and didn’t get impatient and make a rash judgement.

6:06 – Quick slant that dissects two defenders for a short gain, a precise delivery.

6:32 – Scans the field and anticipates the developing route to make a throw down the middle for a first down – good, quick decision and execution.

8:27 – Visibly moves between targets but can’t spot an open receiver, so he runs to the edge and makes a nice gain on the ground. Unique mobility for a 6-8 quarterback and flashes the ability to make plays on the run.

9:09 – Stands tall in the pocket and delivers a strong throw down the middle before taking a hit. Again, in that situation a lot of quarterbacks wouldn’t be able to generate that level of velocity. Osweiler can. The receiver makes a dumb decision after the catch leading to a big penalty, pushing ASU back approaching half time. This ultimately leads to an interception.

11:32 – Osweiler handles a difficult snap before making a big throw downfield despite getting hit by a defensive end. The play is called back for offensive pass interference, but it’s still an impressive completion.

12:25 – Elite footwork to move away from pressure and extend the play, before firing a perfect strike to the receiver who breaks off a big run. This is the kind of play the NFL wants its quarterbacks to make.

14:30 – Further evidence of patience in the pocket, allowing the route to develop and finding an open receiver for the first down.

15:16 – First down throw on 4th and 9 where he runs through multiple progressions to make the completion. Intelligent quarterback play and field vision.

15:54 – A second interception, but it has nothing to do with Osweiler. This is top-end quarterback play of the highest order. He looks very deliberately to his left to allow the developing route to his right. He snaps back across and fires a perfectly executed throw into the end zone, which is fumbled by the receiver and caught by a defensive back. This was actually one of the most impressive plays in the tape, but it goes down as a pick.

Osweiler essentially kept Arizona State competitive in a game where they had no legitimate running game and got most of their yards on the ground using laterals and extended hand offs. The play calling after the first pick became strangely conservative given the quarterbacks performance up until that point. Of course, it wasn’t all positive – at 7:17 he fails to spot the open receiver down the middle and forces a throw into single coverage instead. Although he was pressured from the interior, it’s a mist opportunity on third down to make a big gain. On the first interception at 9:53, although the receiver appears to slip, Osweiler puts too much juice on the throw leading to a pick and substantial return. Having said that, he maybe needed to force things a little after a dumb personal foul penalty on one of the receivers and with half-time drawing near.

Apart from one bad interception against Boise State that led to a 100-yard pick-six, I’ve been impressed by Osweiler’s decision making. Considering he is a player who naturally will take chances with his arm, there aren’t many ‘close calls’ and the turnovers he’s had are not as concerning as they could be. While Ryan Tannehill is currently being talked up as a potential top-15 pick, he’s much more prone to mental errors and doesn’t look comfortable in the pocket. Osweiler - despite having comparable starting experience – looks like a much more natural passer.

The offensive scheme at ASU uses a lot of flare passes, extended hand offs and screens to open up deeper routes. People will highlight this, but it’s difficult to criticise the quarterback too much when this is just part of the sytem. He’s shown on varying levels an ability to make difficult completions, a wide range of complex passes, extend plays and get the ball downfield for big gains. He’ll be capable of scoring quick points at the next level, but I’ve seen enough to believe he can also manage a ball control offense and limit turnovers. If you take away the short stuff at the next level, I still firmly believe Osweiler will be capable of making tough downfield throws. Working in an offense with a solid ground-game could have a similar impact, creating a lot of single coverage situations and opening up play action.

Physically, Osweiler is a unique player with a ceiling higher than most quarterbacks entering the draft. He’s far from the finished product, but I’m starting to believe he’s going to eventually enter the first round discussion. If you can draft him at any point after the first round you’re getting a potential steal. An exciting prospect who will be part of my next first-round mock draft on Wednesday.

51 Responses to “Brock Osweiler tape review vs Oregon”

  1. dave crockett says:

    QBs are pretty much always gonna be drafted on perceived upside. Ever since I first so Osweiler I thought, this guy is gonna go in the first round whenever he declares.

    Consider this, from here on out the process *really* favors tools over tape. There’s a lot of tools and not much bad tape. Unless we discover some sort of injury/health condition with Osweiler, he’s gonna get in the first round discussion.

  2. Dan V. says:

    I was sold on this kid after his announcement, watching just the USC tape. Sure, he’s not perfect, and he needs some time. But most of the teams ahead of us in this draft, who are looking for QB’s, are looking for immediate gratification. The fact he’s not going to be ready to play right away, coupled with the notion that the Hawks may be willing to be more patient than some of the other organizations, is why I believe Osweiler is the perfect young QB for us to acquire.

    Thanks for all the insight Rob!

  3. Dan V. says:

    My fear is….. this kid is going to look so good in his Pro Day and personal workouts, he’s going to end up being in the Top-10 discussion.

    Tannehill getting healthy and showing well in his own workouts and interviews would help the odds of Osweiler being there for us.

  4. David says:

    I wonder if it would be a good trade if Cinci likes someone at 11 (or 12) and they trade us both their firsts for it, that would be nice and we could get osweiler and potentially a DT with their other pick (they have Oaklands 17th pick and their own at 21) farfetched but its just a Scenario

  5. AlexHawk says:

    @ David man that would be nice but I can’t see it to only move up 6 positions. I think Osweiller has some raw physical tools he strikes me as similar to Josh Freeman in his height but also because they have the athleticism to extend plays and possibly break off a small gain. Freeman also wasn’t expected to go in the first round and went 17th so it just shows how players rise. I think he is a gamble but he has a sky high ceiling he will need to sit but I think he could develop into an good nfl calibre qb. On another note Rob what do you think of his throwing motion? It’s a bit side off.

  6. Jarhead says:

    No secret I’ve been on Osweiler’s rowboat since he declared, although it could be considered perhaps a pontoon boat at this point. Maybe a few more people are on board. So no point in going on about why I like him. What I have noticed in studying his tape is Gerrell Robinson. I see a raw, physical presence at wideout who could be effective for us. As a late round pickup or UDFA, I see him being Mike Williams without the weight, heart, injury issues. I big, physical possession receiver capable of finding that soft spot in zone or running the quick slant to get the first down on 3rd and 4′s. He’s not blowing the top off the defense but a solid young possession receiver could be a real positive addition to our receiving corps. Especially considering I doubt Obamanu will return and I hope we draft Osweiler. So there is the familiarity of the two. Anyhow, just a thought

  7. dave crockett says:

    @AlexHawk

    Obviously I’m not Rob, but Osweiler’s throwing motion isn’t a problem to my mind. A guy that tall can’t really come straight over top. He’d miss high, leading to picks and to getting his receiver’s killed. The big thing is that we haven’t seen a problem with blocked pass attempts from Osweiler. He moves to find throwing lanes.

    What usually makes a sidearm delivery a problem is poor footwork that leads to blocked attempts and robs passes of power. Osweiler’s footwork is good. So he tends not to have those problems.

  8. Rob says:

    Hey Alex – Dave has answered the question already but I’ll throw in a couple of thoughts. A lot of the issues I have with a side-arm motion is down to tipped passes. Jimmy Clausen measured in the 6-2.5 range and had a side-arm release and it caused problems at Notre Dame, I counted out a lot of tipped passes in his final season in South Bend. It showed up time and time again. Average QB height + side-arm = problems. Osweiler is 6-8 so it’s much less of an issue, but you still have to watch the tape. Are there tipped passes? In four full games I’ve seen one blocked pass so far, so I’m satisfied. Other QB’s with side-arm motions have enjoyed success (eg Philip Rivers) so it really is something you have to judge accordingy.

    I actually like the way he adjusts his release to improvise on plays. He’s unorthodox in many ways, he’s unique. He’s one to watch.

  9. Dan V. says:

    Trust me, I’m watchin’ him.

  10. Eli says:

    Rob,
    Based off of the tape you provided, his outstanding physical tools, pro level passing skills and a hint of some postive intagibles (in the Boise St. game where he tells the punting team to go back shows me some heart and moxie…even if they did’nt make it) and after the combine and any all star games he’s invited to, how high do you think he’ll climb??? As Dan V. says I fear he may climb out of reach due to pre-draft hype machinations. Once they see his mobility (appears to be about a 4.75/4.80 – 40) some QB hungry team like the Redskins may roll the dice and take him. Barring some hidden medical condition-I’m sold on him and feel we should grab him with our 11th or 12th pick.

  11. Rob says:

    Hey Eli,

    I think there’s every chance he could get into that range. He needs to do the right things at the combine, at his pro-day and in interviews/meetings. But if a player like Christian Ponder can crack the top-12, then so can Brock Osweiler. In terms of what Washington wants to do, I still think they will prefer Ryan Tannehill. But Osweiler interests me so much more than Tannehill does. I want to keep watching tape and publishing it on the blog so we can continue to build a sound overall judgement of this guy, but there’s something there.

  12. Eli says:

    Yeah I want Brock above Mr. “dead inside” Tannehill. Get him and give him a awesome QB coach (where’s Jim Zorn these days??), let him figure out the game for a year. I think he needs a lil time but the upside is too great. The Hawks may get a little critism but do it the old school way and he’ll pan out. Would turn the balance of power in the division towards the Hawks if he worked out. I don’t have the sense that this is Dan Mcquire part two.

  13. Rob says:

    If anyone wants an insight into why Osweiler declared for the draft and ended up leaving Arizona State unexpectedly…. take a look at this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B6a_3M2xU8

  14. Eli says:

    hmm…kid with a lot of heart and you can tell he’s loyal. I think he’d latch onto Pete and would practice, play and compete hard for Pete. Strikes me as a ‘pleaser’ type personality-just off of the limited tape of him speaking. He has some maturing to do but he’s entering the NFL really young and would grow up in the right enviroment in Seattle. Rob, you assessed it right that he has raw talents not just in his physical attributes and as a passer…but he appears to have some leadership qualities which could be developed. It’s a shame Hasselebck is’nt here because he would be a good ‘role model’ type for him to follow. Jackson has some qualities to admire as well, toughness, accountability and willingness to recognise his flaws. IDK, maybe he could be positive for him as well.

  15. Aaron says:

    http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/2012/01/07/20120107asu-football-brock-osweiler-no-benefit-returning.html

    The article above states that Brock got a 3rd-5th grade from the NFL committee. I like Brock, but he’s raw as hell, and if he’s drafted here he better not be thrown into the NFL Defense Wolves just yet.

  16. Rob says:

    That’s an understandable grade based on what the committee have advised in the past to different players. Important to remember though – that what they advise is often a very conservative projection (almost a worst case scenario).

  17. ivotuk says:

    This guy is pretty good but I’d like to see more tape of him with people around his feet and how he does from under center. He’s got Big Ben’s size but he has Philip Rivers throwing motion.

    I wonder about his ability to read defenses too. He hasn’t had much playing time and could easily be set up to fail. He’s very young, and very raw but could be a good one with some time on the bench.

  18. Michael (CLT) says:

    It is his feet that intrigue me. Could this be mallet without the crazy history and some quicks? X’s and O’s will determine his place in the draft. If he can show intelligence, then he is no different than Gabbert.

    And truth be told, I LOVED Mallet. LOVED him. Mallet knows football. Then again, so did Marinovich.

    Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, The Manning’s all work within the pocket, yet are amazingly aware. There are very few Michael Vick, Arron Rodgers, and dare say, Alex Smith’s running around. I find it interesting that Seattle would be so stubburn as to limit great QB play to the ability to run the boot. But I digress.

    As for Osweiller, I want to avoid falling in love with him like Mallet. PC will most likely bring in Jason Cambell to compete with Jackson this year. And that would crush my QB love for yet another year. I fear my heart can not take another hit. And I surely will expect it to be crushed.

  19. SalukiHawk12 says:

    Rob:
    Color me intrigued. I think ivotuk says it best. Looks like a cross between Rivers and Roethlisberger. Who wouldn’t want a QB with the fusion of those traits piloting their franchise?
    My question is… have you seen any footage of him taking snaps from Center or is the shotgun/spread all they run at ASU? How would he fit into PC’s offense if he is more comfortable in the shotgun, that is, would we change our offense to fit the player, or is the player molded to fit the current offense?
    As exciting of a prospect that he is, he just doesn’t seem to fit the mantra of a ‘game manager’ that leads a ground controlled O.

  20. NMD says:

    Michael – Yeah all this Osweiler talk makes my heart sink thinking about how Seattle seemed to not even consider (my QB crush) Ryan Mallett as a fit. I understand Osweiler is much more of an athlete but with his size and awkward release make the physical comparison too easy. I hope he has the QB acumen I thought Mallett had but if you’re going to take a shot on some one Osweiler seems like the guy to take it on.

  21. Rob says:

    Michael CLT – Tom Cable and Jason Campbell didn’t get on too well in Oakland so that may be a non-starter.

    Salukihawk12 – He’s predominantly a shotgun quaterback but I think an increasing amount of college QB’s are and it is translating to the NFL. He’ll need to learn to take snaps under center, but we’ve seen in recent years that it can be taught quickly and effectively (eg, Joe Flacco). In terms of the offense, I think PC and JS are looking for certain skill sets and character that can work into a scheme, but I think they’re also using a broad sense of what could fit. I actually think Osweiler could be a logical fit because he doesn’t make too many mental mistakes, he’s got the mobility to extend plays (important in Seattle, especially with the number of developing routes) and they want a deep ball. I’m not sure it’s so much a game manager they want, rather they don’t want the team to be based around one great QB trying to drag the team along on his own.

    NMD – I was also a fan of Mallett on tape, but there were a lot of other issues that played into Seattle’s and the rest of the NFL’s decision. He went to the best team to deal with this in New England.

  22. Tom says:

    Osweiler has a wickedly good arm and has game changing ability even if his delivery isn’t ideal. No big to me because he’s so tall.

    Those 2 first half Td’s were NFL elite and throws that most college QB’s can’t make or would even attempt and thought it was great overall tape on Brock.

    My only caveat is Osweiler loves to let every throw just rip and didn’t show any touch type throws until the screen at 13:10 of the tape.

    One area where I’ll have to disagree with Rob is at the assessment at 1:04.

    “1:04 – Although this isn’t a completed pass, it’s further evidence of how Osweiler is adjustable and will improvise. Due to the blitz and pressure, he changes the angle of his delivery in order to get the ball quickly to the receiver before taking the hit. A side-arm release is never ideal even on a 6-8 quarterback, but Osweiler is not a robotic passer restricted to one delivery. Being able to improvise is an underrated quality for quarterbacks.”

    That play went from :45 to 1:10 and my eyes were looking for touch on that pass, instead Brock rushed it and fired it when the back in the flat was wide open and had an easy 10+ yd gain.

    Pause it at 1:07. Dude was wide open with no defender in sight so just let a little air out of the ball and it’s a completion. I didn’t see any “improvising” at all. It was just part of his let it rip arsenal.

    The only other caveat is that he throws off his back foot too often but makes up for a lot of that because Brock has a strong arm.

    Comparing to RG3, who can also throw in atypical positions, RG3 flicks his wrist for bullets where NFL cb’s won’t be able to jump those routes. Osweiler often throws his body into his throws.

    Overall, it was an impressive display of some game changing NFL throws. Not just 1 or 2 but like 5 or 6.

    I think the hype that he’s going to go top 10 for a couple of the above posters may be a bit overblown but I guess anything is possible. Osweiler looks like a 2nd rd guy but with the lack of top end QB talent in this draft could easily be reached for in rd 1.

  23. Rob says:

    Quarterbacks often go a round earlier than the grade they’re given. If Osweiler goes in round one it wouldn’t be a reach IMO if you believe he has legit starter potential. Such is the importance of the position.

  24. Curlin says:

    Rob, Osweiler certainly has a big arm, but what are your thoughts on his deep accuracy? I’ve only seen the 4 games of his linked on this site, but it seems his accuracy down the field is a little inconsistent. He certainly makes some good throws, but often over/under throws balls downfield as well. Specifically, it seems that when he tries to put some air under the ball vs rifling it in his accuracy suffers a bit. Is that something you are noticing as well, or maybe I’m just noticing a few bad examples that aren’t necessarily reflective of his actual skill-set? Otherwise I’ve been impressed with him.

  25. Rob says:

    I think he’s a bit one paced, Curlin, in that when he goes deep it’s usually a very direct throw with maximum velocity. I’ve seen him mix in the trajectory and put a little extra height on the pass, but very rarely has he adjusted the touch. Against Utah he showed better touch than in the Oregon tape. I’ve not seen him under throw deep but I’ve seen him over shoot. It’s something he needs to work on, because I’ve not seen him throw a great fade and that’s important in Seattle’s scheme. He can’t expect to get by on just a strong deep ball, he’ll need to show touch. But he’s shown he can jam the ball into tight windows, sometimes seemingly impossible windows, down the field to make incredible plays.

  26. Colin says:

    ASU has some of the worst receivers I’ve ever seen. These guys completely screwed Osweiler in this game. No ability to fight for the ball in tough spots. Stupid penalties and an easy drop in the endzone that led to a pick. Awful. Should’ve had a number more completions and a touchdown.

    The more I watch this Brock Osweiler kid, the more I am impressed with him. I like him a whole helluva lot more than any other QB in this draft except the top 2.

    What worries me more than anything is if we can’t get him in round 2. I’d love to snag someone in round 1 and try and pick him in the 2nd. Worst comes to worst, Seattle trades down and takes him in round 1. I’d be as happy as a pig in mud.

  27. AlexHawk says:

    @ dave crockett and Rob thanks for the information is appreciated didn’t really think about how the other factors affect his throw. I don’t watch a large amount of college football so nice to see other people’s opinions as ever good work.

  28. Eli says:

    Rob,
    In keeping with the Sun Devils theme-how do you think BO’s teammate Vontaze Burfict would fit on the Hawks roster?? I understand he’s got some on the field penalty issues (oh wow he’ll fit in) I think it would be cool to clean out the Sun Devils roster of all their upper tier talent in one draft (Robinson I project as a late rounder). I also like the way Burfict plays and like other guys with average production the year they come out and similar issues-he may slip. The guy has potential to be a game changing MLB and if any coach can reach him-Pete can. BO with the 1st and Taze with the 2nd would be sweet indeed.

  29. Eli says:

    it ain’t pretty but an example of BO’s scrambling ability-complete with a pie face stiff arm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoH7TUawbGM

  30. Eli – About as well as Aaron Curry did.

  31. Eli says:

    Brandon,
    Ouch not a Burfict fan. You just not a fan of his play or you think some of the knuckleheaded penalties are the issue?

  32. Rob says:

    Hey Eli,

    There’s no doubt that Burfict has some talent, but he’s a loose cannon. He’s been almost uncontrolable all season – on and off the field. While he often flashes athletic talent and a real nose for the position, you just can’t trust him. He’s the kind of player that needs to go to a team full of big-name veterans who can bring him into line – the Ravens would be ideal. I’d like to see him pull off some of the things he did in college on the same field as Ray Lewis. Unfortunately if Seattle drafts him he’ll be one of the bigger names on a young defense and I’d say it could be a recipe for disaster.

  33. Eli says:

    So you think a player like Rev. Ray or Urlacher would have to grab him by the ear and make him get in line? Wow, that’s a shame….the dude is a cyborg. To bad he can’t keep his aggression under wraps between whistles…..I gotta admit Burfict looking over the line and pointing at Alex Smith gives me goose bumps.

  34. Ben says:

    @Eli,

    Burfict reportedly sucker-punched a teammate in the locker room after practice:

    http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu/articles/2011/08/07/20110807asu-football-vontaze-burfict-punch-teammate-report.html

    He also, reportedly, refused to return to the game after being benched for a series:

    http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu/articles/2011/12/10/20111210dennis-erickson-vontaze-burfict-bowl-game-las-vegas.html

    The actions that led to his benching were two personal fouls in one drive that lead to a TD in a (relatively) close loss:

    http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/11/26/2587441/vontaze-burfict-nfl-draft-arizona-state

  35. tom page says:

    I think Osweiler is a solid 3rd or 4th round talent as the advisory committee concluded. I don’t expect the Seahawks to reach for him prior to the 3rd round. If John Schneider has shown anything in his draft record, he will not reach based on need.

  36. Rob says:

    But what if Schneider sees Osweiler as a legitimate first round level talent?

  37. j says:

    i would like to see him receive the ball from center drop back and toss the ball with pressure in his face.

  38. erik says:

    I think picking Osweiler with the first pick would be a mistake. A better strategy would be to grab the best 3-tech or pass rusher availible. Then use the 2nd round pick plus whatever is necessary (3rd?) to move up to the range Flaco was drafted. There’s more risk of losing him but I think the number of team looking to pick a QB in the late first will be rather low to nill. Also I think grabbing a late round QB would be wise as well.

  39. Rob says:

    What I would say Erik is that the second and third round may actually be a better area to draft lineman. That is the range players like Brandon Thompson could be available, and Jerel Worthy. Plus other potential LEO’s and WILL’s are going to be in that range. It’s tough to think of any that are worth the #11 or #12 pick.

  40. Ryan says:

    This kid’s stock is just going to rise. He looks like an athletic, agile Philip Rivers. He’s just a victim of playing on a really bad team. A friend of mine who’s kid plays offensive line at ASU told me his son said that Ossweiler is a smart, nice kid, and a total class act. I think if we’re talking about drafting on potential and upside…this kid has the most of anybody in the draft.

  41. Doug says:

    wow, I just don’t see it.
    I don’t see great accuracy deep, and to me, he just throws a lot of quick slants.
    I don’t see great mobility in the pocket either. I see an odd delivery too. Maybe a 3rd at the very highest in my book.
    I think his greatest success comes with being able to see over the top and make the quick slant throws, but those “laterals” scare the crap out of me with every backwards throw. One of those offline or dropped is a quick turn-over.
    Too much talent available available at #12 to even contemplate taking this kid.

  42. Attyla the Hawk says:

    @tom page

    “I think Osweiler is a solid 3rd or 4th round talent as the advisory committee concluded. I don’t expect the Seahawks to reach for him prior to the 3rd round. If John Schneider has shown anything in his draft record, he will not reach based on need.”

    Last season, albeit without the ability to trade for veteran talent as in 2010, Schneider reached on almost every pick save Moffitt and possibly Legree. Carpenter, Durham, Sherman and Wright were all reach picks.

    I would say given the way his first two drafts have unfolded, Schneider puts his board together in a fairly unique way. I don’t expect that most GMs have to align to the coach’s preference as significantly as John.

    The first two drafts really slotted along need picks almost exclusively. I don’t see any picks in either draft where we picked up BPA at a position of low need.

    I expect John to stay true to his board — but I do believe his board is aligned strongly by need. The selection of QBs can be so mercurial, that you simply cannot hope that a prospect you identify as a legit QBOTF will slip to later rounds.

    If we had a QB of the present, we could be more choosy and incur more risk that prospects slip to their grade. Unfortunately, we are at a point where we have to be sure to secure any prospect that we think will be our QBOTF. I expect John to be aggressive if there is one that catches his scouts’ eye. Either an aggressive trade up, or a reach pick.

  43. MLT says:

    No way would we give up our 2nd and 3rd just to get back in the 1st on a reach for a qb! pc/js can find 2 starters that will contribute right away with those picks! Plus I think osweiller is available top of the 2nd! If he is the guy they could make a move up to top of the 2nd round which is less expensive and they get him!

  44. JC says:

    Tom, John Schneider has “overdrafted” on the basis of need. His name is James Carpenter.

  45. Colin says:

    Carpenter was “overdrafted” by the “experts”. It has been written several times since the draft that Chicago, Green Bay and Pittsburgh all had their eyes on him in the 1st.

  46. Eli says:

    I have this feeling, take it for what it’s worth, that after any all star appearances, combine, pro days and interviews with Osweiler he will be measured overall as a high 2nd, late 1st round pick. The upside with this kid is way too seductive for QB needy GM’s not roll the dice with this kid. Gabbert after one successfull year, a 1st rounder??? The Vikes take Ponder after a off year and being injured??? Why were they taken when they were? Because of potential and need, the Hawks fit into both catagories. JS does have his method evaluation and drafting, but both Pete and JS are pragmatists. They know the same things we know: the Hawks NEED a QBOF now, Jackson is not the answer and FA options or trade are extremely limited. If we wait without being aggressive (trade up, mortage some of the future) or put your money down on a prospect who appears to have a sky high ceiling like Osweiler, then the future at the most important position on the team will continue to be cloudy. Get this kid a QB guru, let him learn the offense for a year or two and gamble on greatness.

  47. Rob says:

    I firmly believe if you rate a QB good enough to go at the top of round two, you better be prepared to take him in round one. The position is too important and top of the second round to me says you like him enough to be a legitimate QBOTF. That’s really the point of the argument for saying the Seahawks could move down into that #18-22 range, accumlate an extra pick or two and get Osweiler. That would potentially leave three picks between R2-3 to fill other needs, and maybe two more picks in R4. I could see that.

  48. Eli says:

    So far from the evidence presented would applaud JS and Pete for pulling the trigger on this kid with our 1st, as long as they had a plan (no doubt they would) in place to get BO prepped for the league. If we can trade down a few spots and collect some extra picks-all the better. Massive potential.

  49. JC says:

    Colin, Schneider has confirmed in multiple interviews that he and Carroll wanted Carpenter and thought he’d be on the board later in the 1st if not the early 2nd but took him anyways after failing to trade down. I don’t know about you, but that sounds a lot like the GM of this team admiting to overdrafting a player.

    I liked (and still do like) the pick and am not being critical of Schneider or Carpenter. I was just pointing out that Seattle has overdrafted for need or desire.

  50. JC says:

    Can we please come up with a different abreviation for Brock Oweiler than “BO”?

  51. Richard says:

    How about BrOw for now. Or Brock the Shock. Riding the B & O EXpress to the CLink. The Montana Madman. Sir Brock of Osweiler. The Kalispell King Kong. Just throwing sumptin out there. IMJS