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2017 combine day three live blog: DL, LB

Sunday, March 5th, 2017

The live blog will be updated throughout the day. Keeping refreshing and join in the discussion in the comments section.

Today the defensive linemen and linebackers workout. Pete Carroll named linebacker as one of three priority needs at the end of the season (CB, LB, OL). This is a group to monitor closely.

Unfortunately Florida’s Jarrad Davis will not take part due to injury.

Later today we’ll put the defensive linemen through TEF to see how they compare athletically to the offensive linemen in this class.

D-line forty yard dash (10-yard split in brackets)

An ‘elite’ split is a 1.5

Group 1:

Montravius Adams — 4.88 (1.72) & 4.94 (1.74)
Jonathan Allen — 5.00 (1.74) & 5.02 (1.76)
Derek Barnett — 4.88 (1.70) & 4.92 (1.70)
Tarell Basham — 4.81 (1.68) 4.70 (1.61)
Tashawn Bower — 4.85 (1.69) & 4.82 (1.66)
Caleb Brantley — 5.15 (1.78) & 5.18 (1.84)
Fadol Brown — 4.94 (1.72) & 4.97 (1.74)
Josh Carraway — 4.74 (1.71) & 4.76 (1.72)
Taco Charlton — 4.92 (1.73) & 4.92 (1.70)
Bryan Cox Jr. — 4.90 (1.74) & 4.91 (1.74)
Keionta Davis — DNP
Dylan Donahue — 4.76 (1.67) & 4.80 (1.68)
Ken Ekanem — 4.89 (1.68) & 4.89 (1.70)
Myles Garrett — 4.64 (1.63) & 4.74 (1.69)
Ryan Glasgow — 5.14 (1.85) & 5.30 (1.93)
Davon Godchaux — 5.27 (1.84) & DNP
Daeshon Hall — 4.76 (1.68) & 4.77 (1.67)
Charles Harris — 4.84 (1.65) & 4.82 (1.66)
Trey Hendrickson — 4.68 (1.62) & 4.64 (1.59)
Treyvon Hester — DNP
Jaleel Johnson — 5.49 (2.03) & 5.38 (1.92)
D.J. Jones — 5.06 (1.76) & 5.04 (1.77)
Jarron Jones — 5.43 (1.96) & 5.34 (1.87)
Nazair Jones — 5.12 (1.81) & 5.18 (1.81)
Tanoh Kpassagnon — 4.83 (1.69) & 4.92 (1.75)
Carl Lawson — 4.82 (1.68) & 4.68 (1.60)
Jeremiah Ledbetter — 4.85 (1.72) & 4.94 (1.79)
Malik McDowell — 4.90 (1.72) & 4.86 (1.69)

A so-so start to the day. In terms of edge rushers, Bruce Irvin ran a 1.55 split and Cliff Avril had a 1.50. The only EDGE here that ran a 1.5 was Trey Hendrickson (1.59).

Frank Clark was considered more of an explosive inside/out rusher and he ran a 1.69 split at 271lbs. Malik McDowell managed the same 1.69 split at 295lbs. Montravius Adams ran a 1.72 at 304lbs. Tarell Basham ran a 1.61 at 269lbs which is pretty freaky. Unlike Adams and Hendrickson, he also has length (34 1/4 inch arms).

Myles Garrett, Trey Hendrickson and Charles Harris looked really smooth in the initial movement drills. All three looked comfortable in space, changing direction and moving with instinct. Most of the group looked really stiff (not a surprise, they’re D-liners) but these three excelled.

Moving over the bags, Caleb Brantley followed up a ‘meh’ forty with a bad movement drill. Montravius Adams, Jonathan Allen, Derek Barnett and Tarrell Basham were really good here. Taco Charlton was decent. Myles Garrett’s technique on this drill was awful.

Charles Harris absolutely NAILED this drill. Wow. Quickness, smooth, explosive. The best by a country mile so far.

GROUP ONE OFFICIAL FORTY TIMES (top-10)

Myles Garrett — 4.64
Trey Hendrickson — 4.65
Carl Lawson — 4.67
Tarrell Basham — 4.70
Josh Carraway — 4.74
Dylan Donahue — 4.75
Daeshon Hall — 4.76
Tashawn Bower — 4.82
Charles Harris — 4.82
Tanoh Kpassagnon — 4.83

In the club/rip drills — Carl Lawson looked powerful and quick. Unsurprisingly Myles Garrett excelled here, showing great power, bend and lean. Ole Miss’ D.J. Jones is performing well but is tiring.

Lawson’s second rep in the club/rip was even better than the first. Superb.

Onto the stack-and-shed drills. Nice rep for Tarrell Basham who’s having a good day. Caleb Brantley bends his waist and looks lethargic. Taco Charlton looked powerful here — his best drill so far.

Most of the players messed up this drill, as is the case every year. So many rush through it, ‘push’ the bag instead of strike and treat is as a quickness test (it isn’t). Basham, Charlton, Lawson and Kpassagnon got it right but the coaches were constantly reminding the group it wasn’t a race.

In the re-direct and chase drill, Harris again excelled. He’s really smooth. You see traits on tape and while he didn’t run a 1.5 split (1.66) his ability to express power and speed, change direction and accelerate is on show today. He looks like a sure-fire first rounder on this evidence.

Taco Charlton is a curious one. He didn’t run well. He’s not moving well in drills. He’s shown some power on the bags. Mike Mayock is comparing him to Carlos Dunlap during the broadcast but Dunlap ran a 4.71 (1.65 split) at 6-6 and 277lbs. Charlton ran a 4.92 with a 1.73 split at the exact same height/size. Dunlap is a superior athlete and it’s hard to watch Charlton’s combine and imagine him being the top-15 pick many are projecting.

Charlton also went through linebacker drills but he looked mechanical and uncomfortable. He’s the opposite of ‘twitchy’. Charles Harris on the other hand — WOW, again. He’s showing a natural fluidity in space, the ability to unlock his hips and change direction. He’s moving like a 220lbs linebacker. The star of the drills so far.

Broad jump

Haason Reddick — 11-1
Myles Garrett — 10-8
Tanoh Kpassagnon — 10-8
Solomon Thomas — 10-6
Jordan Willis — 10-5
Deatrich Wise — 10-5
Tim Williams — 10-4
Daeshon Hall — 10-3
Derek Rivers — 10-3
Trey Hendrickson — 10-2
Taco Charlton — 9-8
Carl Lawson — 9-6
Malik McDowell — 9-4

Vertical

Myles Garrett — 41 inches
Jordan Willis — 39 inches
Haason Reddick — 36.5 inches
Daeshon Hall — 36 inches
Solomon Thomas — 35 inches
Derek Rivers — 35 inches
Fadol Brown — 34 inches
Tim Williams — 33.5 inches
Carl Lawson — 33 inches
Takk McKinley — 33 inches
Taco Charlton — 33 inches
Deatrich Wise — 33 inches
Charles Harris — 32 inches
Tanoh Kpassagnon — 30 inches

Haason Reddick delivering as expected. A sensational 11-1 broad jump and a 36.5 inch vertical to match. He’s a 40-yard dash in the 4.47-4.55 range away from freak status.

The ideal pick at #26 for this team could be Reddick.

According to this Tweet, the Seahawks are doing their homework on Obi Melifonwu:

This isn’t a surprise. Melifonwu has the size and profile they love. He’s a definite athletic freak. However — they need to be sure he fits mentally as well as physically. Seattle’s alpha’s play in the secondary (Kam, Earl, Sherm). A shrinking violet might not be the answer here, especially if they cost a first round pick.

The regular meetings are probably about working out who he is because physically he’s an ideal match for this team. Is he ‘pissed off for greatness’? Is there any dog in him? That’s what they need to find out.

Meanwhile this is a big disappointment:

Evans had a chance to be the star of the combine.

D-line forty yard dash (10-yard split in brackets)

An ‘elite’ split is a 1.5

Group 2:

Takk McKinley — 4.59 (1.61) & 4.64 (1.67)
Avery Moss — 4.86 (1.67) & 4.80 (1.63)
Al-quadin Muhammad — 4.91 (1.73) & 4.89 (1.74)
Noble Nwachukwu — 4.85 (1.72) & 4.84 (unknown)
Ife Odenigbo — 4.72 (1.66) & 4.75 (1.69)
Olumide Ogunjobi — 5.09 (1.84) & 4.98 (1.77)
Carroll Phillips — 4.64 (1.64) & 4.66 (1.65)
Ejuan Price — 4.84 (1.66) & 4.89 (1.66)
Elijah Qualls — 5.13 (1.74) & 5.19 (1.79)
Haason Reddick — 4.52 (1.60) & 4.53 (1.59)
Derek Rivers — 4.61 (1.61) & 4.65 (1.63)
Isaac Rochell — 4.89 (1.72) & 4.93 (unknown)
Garrett Sickels — 4.90 (1.72) & 4.97 (unknown)
Tanzel Smart — 5.24 (1.86) & 5.30 (unknown)
Dawuane Smoot — 4.77 (1.68) & 4.80 (1.71)
Pita Taumoepenu — 4.67 (1.66) & 4.71 (1.65)
Vincent Taylor — 5.16 (1.79) 5.07 (1.77)
Solomon Thomas — 4.70 (1.66) & 4.71 (1.66)
Dalvin Tomlinson — 5.20 (1.81) & 5.21 (1.83)
Steve Tu’ikolovatu — 5.46 (1.86) & 5.42 (1.72)
Eddie Vanderdoes — 5.00 (1.74) & 5.00 (1.70)
Charles Walker — 4.96 (1.75) & 4.96 (1.77)
Demarcus Walker — DNP
Carlos Watkins — DNP
Tim Williams — 4.70 (1.66) & 4.69 (1.64)
Jordan Willis — 4.53 (1.58) & 4.55 (1.54)
Deatrick Wise — 4.93 (1.70) &
Chris Wormley — DNP

Mike Mayock is projecting Haason Reddick as a late first or early second round pick. Daniel Jeremiah: “He’s going in the first round”.

On Reddick’s second run he clinched an ‘elite’ 1.5 split (1.59). The NFL Network did a simulcast of Reddick running his forty vs LeVeon Bell, Antonio Brown and Mike Evans. Reddick won easily.

I put Reddick’s numbers through TEF to judge how explosive he is. He scored a 3.93 (!!!!!).

Jordan Willis achieved the third ‘elite’ 10-yard split (1.54). That’s a superb split for Willis.

In the initial wave drill, Elijah Qualls looked really agile for his size. No surprise here but Haason Reddick looked good changing direction and working in space. Mayock and the rest of the NFL Network are raving about him. Jordan Willis also looked smooth.

Takk McKinley is struggling to follow instructions from the coaches during the first two drills. His bag/movement drill was cut short. Carroll Phillips didn’t use his arms and was called out by the coaches. Qualls again performed well, followed by Reddick who again excelled.

REALLY good drill by Thomas here. His technique was really good, arms and quick feet powering around the bags. This was a first glimpse at the top-10 potential of Thomas. He also looked explosive in the club/rip. “That’s how it should be done” yells a coach after Thomas’ effort.

Eddie Vanderdoes had a nice rep on the club/rip. Nice quick swipe to the bag and then sprint. Jordan Willis was also drawing praise from the coaches again for his rep. Willis is having a really good day.

Ejuan Price working the bag nicely before Reddick — stop me if you’ve heard this already — looks fantastic. Nice quick club, moves the arm inside, stayed really low and exploded to the QB to finish. Brilliant rep.

Takk McKinley had his best drill in the stack-and-shead drill. Willie McGinest described Reddick’s stack-and-shead as “perfect”.

OFFICIAL DL FORTY TIMES (top-10)

Haason Reddick — 4.52
Jordan Willis — 4.53
Takk McKinley — 4.59
Derek Rivers — 4.61
Myles Garrett — 4.64
Carroll Phillips — 4.64
Trey Hendrickson — 4.65
Carl Lawson — 4.67
Pita Taumoepenu — 4.67
Tim Williams — 4.68

I posted a few different vertical and broad jumps above for the D-line class. There were some negatives. Caleb Brantley has short arms, ran relatively slowly and then posted a thoroughly mediocre 8-9 broad jump and 27 inch vertical. He is not explosive. Neither is Jaleel Johnson — he ran a 5.38 and jumped an 8-4 and a 28. Ugly.

I’ll post TEF scores for all of the defensive linemen later. If nothing else, it enables us to compare the class in terms of explosive traits.

Linebacker vertical jumps

Tyus Bowser — 37.5 inches
TJ Watt — 37 inches
Zach Cunningham — 35 inches
Jabrill Peppers 35.5 inches
Duke Riley — 34.5 inches
Raekwon McMillan — 33 inches
Alex Anzalone — 30.5 inches

Linebacker broad jumps

TJ Watt — 10-8
Jabrill Peppers — 10-8
Tyus Bowser — 10-7
Zach Cunningham — 10-5
Alex Anzalone 9-8

It’s official — Watt, Bowser and Cunningham are very interesting. Those are ‘wow’ numbers for TJ Watt.

Linebacker yard dash

NFL Network didn’t post the 10-yard splits

Ryan Anderson — 4.79 & 4.75
Alex Anzalone — 4.64 & 4.63
Kendell Beckwith — DNP
Vince Biegel — 4.68 & 4.68
Ben Boulware — DNP
Tyus Bowser — 4.71 & 4.66 (1.59)
Blair Brown — 4.66 & 4.66
Jayon Brown — 4.70 & 4.67
Riley Bullough — DNP
Zach Cunningham — 4.71 & 4.68
Jarrad Davis — DNP
Kevin Davis — 4.93 & 4.92
Brooks Ellis — 4.80 & 4.83
Devonte Fields — 4.72 & 4.77
Reuben Foster — DNP
Ben Gedeon — 4.75 & 4.80
Connor Harris — 4.74 & 4.75
Marquel Lee — DNP
JoJo Mathis — DNP
Raekwon McMillan — 4.61 & 4.69
Matt Milano — 4.67 & unkown
Hardy Nickerson — 4.79 & 4.79
Jabrill Peppers — 4.47 & 4.46
Jalen Reeves-Maybin — DNP
Duke Riley — 4.59 & 4.59
Tanner Vallejo — 4.65 & 4.65
Anthony Walker — 4.66 & 4.66
T.J. Watt — 4.71 & 4.70

Raekwon McMillan ran a nice 4.61. Zach Cunningham and Tyus Bowser were both slower than expected (4.71). McMillan also had a 33 inch vertical and a 10-1 broad. Good day for him — surprisingly good.

It’s strange that Bowser, Cunningham and Watt — having all performed brilliantly in the vertical/broad jumps — all ran a middling 4.71. They’re all explosive but don’t have twitchy speed.

Bowser’s second run was a lot better — a 4.66 with an elite 1.59 split.

He looked really smooth during the agility/footwork drills, as did McMillan again. Zach Cunningham looks incredibly lean, almost like a safety. It’s a shame he only ran a 4.68.

Bowser has been the most impressive player in this group so far in terms of the drills. He just looks so smooth. He’s a possible high pick at SAM.

It’s quite clear Jabrill Peppers should be working out with the DB’s tomorrow.

T.J. Watt is a good looking prospect. Nice size, had a really explosive performance in the jumps. He’s not bad in space but is much more suited to be being a pass rusher. He’s probably a pure 3-4 OLB.

Bowser stumbled on the deep drop drill. He’s better in space than Watt, just more loose and fluid. Yet he’s not completely comfortable in space (he is 247lbs after all).

McMillan has been a surprise today. He looks smooth running in space, he ran and jumped well. He’s not an elite athlete but this was a better day than expected.

I’m going to wrap up the live blog for today and start on a review piece. This will include thoughts on options at #26 based on what we learned today and TEF scores for the defensive linemen. Stay tuned.

Thoughts on day two of the combine workouts

Saturday, March 4th, 2017

Wide receivers

John Ross broke the record for the fastest 40-yard-dash at the combine, nailing an official 4.22. He’s a top-20 lock. The national media narrative has talked up Mike Williams and Corey Davis constantly. Ross is the #1 receiver in this draft and has been for months. His speed, explosive athleticism (37 inch vertical, 11-1 broad jump) and ability to explode out of his breaks and get open is unmatched. There are injury concerns but he has the potential to be the next star receiver in the NFL.

There were a handful of other good performers but nothing close to Ross’ brilliance. Here are some of the names that could be on Seattle’s radar (with their height, weight, forty time, vertical and broad jump marks noted).

Quincy Adeboyejo — 6-3, 197lbs, 4.42, 34.5, 10-3
Jehu Chesson — 6-2, 204lbs, 4.47, 35.5, 11-0
Robert Davis — 6-3, 219lbs, 4.44, 41, 11-4
Malachi Dupre — 6-2, 196lbs, 4.52, 39.5, 11-3
Krishawn Hogan — 6-3, 222lbs, 4.56, 36.5, 10-4
Chris Godwin — 6-1, 209lbs, 4.42, 36, 10-6
Zay Jones — 6-2, 201lbs, 4.45, 36.5, 11-1
Josh Reynolds — 6-3, 194lbs, 4.52, 37, 10-4
Curtis Samuel — 5-10, 196lbs, 4.31, 37, 9-11

We started the 2016 season talking up Jehu Chesson as a Seahawks option and that remains the case. He’s quick (4.47) and explosive (35.5 inch vert, 11-0 broad) with the ability to impact games as a blocker, returner and downfield threat. He didn’t get many targets in Michigan’s run-heavy offense — but Chesson has a complete skill-set.

The Seahawks might add a receiver between rounds 3-7. However, there aren’t a ton of viable options compared to other positions.

Tight ends

Now we’re talking. In recent years the tight end workouts have provided a good excuse to go outside and do something else. Finally — with the league crying out for mismatch targets in the passing game — the combine delivers a handful of insane athletes.

The highlights? Bucky Hodges had an unreal broad jump (11-2), O.J. Howard ran the same time as Leonard Fournette despite weighing 10lbs more and Evan Engram managed a 4.42 at 234lbs.

When Julio Jones recorded an 11-3 broad jump in 2011 the NFL world stood still. For Hodges to come within an inch of that mark and for David Njoku (11-1) and George Kittle (11-0) to be in the vicinity too is remarkable.

Eric Ebron’s 4.60 in 2014 convinced the Detroit Lions to take him at #10 ahead of Odell Beckham Jr. and Aaron Donald. Engram (4.42), Hodges (4.57), Howard (4.51) and Kittle (4.52) all topped Ebron’s time — and Njoku wasn’t far behind (4.64) while having vastly superior vertical (37.5) and broad (11-1) jumps.

The following players are going to be off the board pretty quickly:

(height, weight, forty, vertical, broad)

Evan Engram — 6-3, 234lbs, 4.42, 36, 10-5
Gerald Everett — 6-3, 239lbs, 4.62, 37.5, 10-6
Bucky Hodges — 6-6, 257lbs, 4.57, 39, 11-2
O.J. Howard — 6-6, 251lbs, 4.51, 30, 10-1
George Kittle — 6-4, 247lbs, 4.52, 35, 11-0
David Njoku — 6-4, 246lbs, 4.64, 37.5, 11-1
Adam Shaheen — 6-6, 278lbs, 4.79, 32.5, 10-1
Jonnu Smith — 6-3, 6-3, 248lbs, 4.62, 38, 10-7

This draft class will be defined by explosive mismatch tight ends and the players drafted to cover them (more on the safety/hybrid class later).

This is arugbaly the most dynamic group of TE’s ever. Engram, Hodges, Howard and Njoku will all likely be off the board in the top-45.

Quarterbacks

I didn’t personally see the quarterback workouts due to work commitments — but the praise bestowed upon Deshaun Watson was interesting:

We’ve talked about this before — but it’s staggering really how the media and/or the NFL views Watson compared to Jared Goff a year ago. While Watson is far from flawless, Goff was an inconsistent passer playing in the most extreme spread-offense imaginable — failing to lift his team beyond average. Watson has better production, arguably better physical skills and shares some of the same issues as Goff (turnovers, occasional misreads etc).

The Rams ended up trading multiple picks for the right to select Goff. Before today, most pundits rated Watson as a late first or early second round prospect.

Why the discrepancy between the two?

Listening to Daniel Jeremiah discuss the quarterback class, it sounds like Mitch Trubisky and Patrick Mahomes also impressed — as did Brad Kaaya — while Deshone Kizer had an inconsistent day.

Increasingly it looks like at the very least Watson, Trubisky and Mahomes will be early first round picks.

Defensive back measurements

We know the Seahawks haven’t drafted a cornerback with sub-32 inch arms during the Pete Carroll era. Length matters in Seattle (innuendo intended).

Here’s a list of all the cornerbacks next to their height and arm length. The players with ‘Seahawky size’ are in bold:

Brian Allen — 6-3, 34
Chidobe Awuzie — 6-0, 30 5/8
Jeremy Clark — 6-3, 32 7/8
Gareon Conley — 6-0, 33
Treston Decoud — 6-2, 33
Rasul Douglas — 6-2, 32 3/8

Corn Elder — 5-11, 31 1/4
Marlon Humphrey — 6-0, 32 1/4
Adoree’ Jackson — 5-10, 31 3/8
Sidney Jones — 6-0, 31 1/2
Damontae Kazee — 5-10, 30 7/8
Desmond King — 5-10, 31 1/8
Kevin King — 6-3, 32
Ashton Lampkin — 6-0, 31
Brendan Langley — 6-0, 32 3/8
Marshon Lattimore — 6-0, 31 1/4
Jourdan Lewis — 5-10, 31 5/8
Fabian Moreau — 6-0, 31 3/8
Channing Stribling — 6-1, 31 1/2
Cam Sutton — 5-11, 30
Teez Tabor — 6-0, 32 1/4
Cordrea Tankersley — 6-1, 32 1/4

Marquez White — 6-0, 32 1/8
Tre’Davious White — 5-11, 32 1/8

Howard Wilson — 6-1, 31 3/8
Quincy Wilson — 6-1, 32 1/4
Ahkello Witherspoon — 6-3, 33

There are 14 cornerbacks with 32-inch arms. That’s a nice group for the Seahawks to pick from.

Possible options in rounds 1-2 include:

Gareon Conley (Ohio State)
Rasul Douglas (West Virginia)
Marlon Humphrey (Alabama)
Kevin King (Washington)
Teez Tabor (Florida)
Cordrea Tankersley (Clemson)
Tre’Davious White (LSU)
Quincy Wilson (Florida)
Ahkello Witherspoon (Colorado)

For any of these players to be considered they’re probably going to need to have a terrific workout on Monday. The Seahawks haven’t drafted a cornerback before the fourth round in the Carroll era. If they’re going to break that trend in 2017 — it probably won’t be for an average athlete.

Of the names above, Kevin King is the best bet for a sensational performance. Seattle will find at least one corner they like in this class — and the chances are it’ll be one of the 14 names in bold listed above.

It was disappointing to see Houston’s Howard Wilson measure up short. It looks like he’s off the radar.

The safety class provides even more excitement. Arm length isn’t quite as important here but I’ve highlighted the players with +32 inch arms anyway:

Jamal Adams — 6-0, 33 3/8
Budda Baker — 5-10, 30 5/8
Chuck Clark — 6-0 32 1/4
Justin Evans — 6-0, 32
Josh Harvey-Clemons — 6-4, 35 3/8
Delano Hill — 6-1, 32 1/8
Malik Hooker — 6-1, 33 1/4

Eddie Jackson — 6-0, 32 1/4
Rayshawn Jenkins — 6-1, 32 3/4
Lorenzo Jerome — 5-10, 30 5/8
Jadar Johnson — 6-0, 32
John Johnson — 6-0, 32 1/2

Josh Jones — 6-1, 32
Shalom Luani — 5-11, 32
Marcus Maye — 6-0, 32 1/2
Obi Melifonwu — 6-4, 32 1/2

Montae Nicholson — 6-2, 33 3/8
Tedric Thompson — 6-0, 31 1/2
Marcus Williams — 6-1, 32 1/2

Incredibly, nearly every safety has +32 inch arms.

This is important in relation to the Seahawks. Jeremy Lane played 71.39% of the defensive snaps in 2016. Seattle frequently played in a 4-2-5, with Bobby Wagner and K.J. Wright both playing nearly 100% of the snaps.

Mike Morgan, the starting SAM when healthy, only had one game where he played more than 50% of the snaps (vs LA in week 2). After recovering from a sports hernia, on average he played 24.92% of the defensive snaps.

Who knows how they would’ve divided the snaps if Bruce Irvin was still on the roster as the SAM? Nevertheless, they played a lot of 4-2-5 in 2016.

Given the sheer number of safety’s with 32 inch arms in this class, it’s possible they’d be willing to select a hybrid to replace Lane in the slot (he could move outside).

If you missed our piece on ‘Buffalo’ big nickels — check it out here.

Ultimately this seems to be the way the league’s going. Match-ups are key.

For one of the names above to be considered for this role, they’d likely need a superb workout. If you can get the length and athleticism of a corner in a safety body — this seems like a realistic consideration.

Here are some names to keep an eye on:

Shalom Luani (Washington State)
Obi Melifonwu (Connecticut)
Josh Johnson (Boston College)
Justin Evans (Texas A&M)

All four are highly athletic. Big things are expected of Melifonwu and Evans. Two days after seeing a collection of freaky TE prospects workout, the league is going to be seeking an antidote.

The other name to monitor is Budda Baker. He’s small (5-10, 195lbs) with short arms (30 5/8) but he just looks like the type of player this team will love. They might think he’ll be too much of a size mismatch from the slot and there’s every chance he’ll be off the board by pick #26 anyway. If there’s a smaller prospect this team is willing to take a chance on though — it could easily be Baker.

One final note on the defensive backs — last year there were 19 DB’s with +32 inch arms. This year there are 30. Big difference.

Tomorrow the defensive linemen and linebackers workout. Pete Carroll stated they’ll be drafting for the linebacker position in his end-of-season press conference, so Sunday is a key day at the combine.

Our live blog begins at 6am PST with constant updates throughout.

Combine day two open thread: QB, WR, TE

Saturday, March 4th, 2017

I’m away with work today so there’s no live blog unfortunately. I’ll be doing a review piece later but in the meantime feel free to use this as an open thread.

The key thing to look out for are the defensive back measurements. In the Pete Carroll era, the Seahawks have never drafted a cornerback with sub-32 inch arms.

DB height/arm length (+32 inch arm length in bold):

Jamal Adams — 6-0, 33 3/8
Brian Allen — 6-3, 34

Chidobe Awuzie — 6-0, 30 5/8
Budda Baker — 5-10, 30 5/8
Chuck Clark — 6-0 32 1/4
Jeremy Clark — 6-3, 32 7/8
Gareon Conley — 6-0, 33
Treston Decoud — 6-2, 33
Rasul Douglas — 6-2, 32 3/8

Corn Elder — 5-11, 31 1/4
Justin Evans — 6-0, 32
Josh Harvey-Clemons — 6-4, 35 3/8
Delano Hill — 6-1, 32 1/8
Malik Hooker — 6-1, 33 1/4
Marlon Humphrey — 6-0, 32 1/4
Eddie Jackson — 6-0, 32 1/4
Rayshawn Jenkins — 6-1, 32 3/4

Lorenzo Jerome — 5-10, 30 5/8
Jadar Johnson — 6-0, 32
John Johnson — 6-0, 32 1/2
Josh Jones — 6-1, 32

Sidney Jones — 6-0, 31 1/2
Damontae Kazee — 5-10, 30 7/8
Desmond King — 5-10, 31 1/8
Kevin King — 6-3, 32
Ashton Lampkin — 6-0, 31
Brendan Langley — 6-0, 32 3/8
Marshon Lattimore — 6-0, 31 1/4
Jourdan Lewis — 5-10, 31 5/8
Shalom Luani — 5-11, 32
Marcus Maye — 6-0, 32 1/2
Obi Melifonwu — 6-4, 32 1/2

Fabian Moreau — 6-0, 31 3/8
Montae Nicholson — 6-2, 33 3/8
Channing Stribling — 6-1, 31 1/2
Cam Sutton — 5-11, 30
Teez Tabor — 6-0, 32 1/4
Cordrea Tankersley — 6-1, 32 1/4

Tedric Thompson — 6-0, 31 1/2
Marquez White — 6-0, 32 1/8
Tre’Davious White — 5-11, 32 1/8
Marcus Williams — 6-1, 32 1/2

Howard Wilson — 6-1, 31 3/8
Quincy Wilson — 6-1, 32 1/4
Ahkello Witherspoon — 6-3, 33

TEF results 2017: What did we learn?

Friday, March 3rd, 2017

The vertical jump is a key test for offensive linemen at the combine

What is TEF?

Last year we put together a formula (detailed here) based around Tom Cable’s self-confessed ‘ideal’ physical profile. We called it TEF (Trench Explosion Formula).

What exactly does it calculate?

Cable stated two years ago that a prospect would ideally achieve a 31-inch vertical, a 9-foot broad jump and 27 reps in the bench press. TEF uses these numbers to create an overall score for each individual offensive lineman:

1. Vertical ÷ 31
2. Broad ÷ 9, then cube the result
3. Bench ÷ 27
4. Results added together = TEF

How do you judge an ‘ideal’ explosive athlete?

A prospect achieving the exact Cable ideal (31 — 9 — 27) will score a 3.00 in TEF.

How do you know it’s a worthwhile exercise?

We went back and put Seattle’s recent draft picks/UDFA’s through the formula and this is what we found:

Mark Glowinski: 3.34
Terry Poole: 3.12
Kristjan Sokoli: 3.75
Justin Britt: 3.00
Garrett Scott: 3.27
Ryan Seymour: 3.10
Jared Smith: 3.35
J.R. Sweezy: 3.13
Gary Gilliam (UDFA): 3.09
Germain Ifedi: 2.97
George Fant (UDFA): 3.35

The Seahawks also passed on a collection of players scoring below the 3.00 threshold.

Seattle’s starting O-line in 2016 consisted mainly of:

LT George Fant — 3.35 TEF
LG Mark Glowinski — 3.34 TEF
Justin Britt — 3.00 TEF
Germain Ifedi — 2.97 TEF
Garry Gilliam — 3.09 TEF

They were young, they were raw and for the most part they were overmatched. There is no doubting, however, how much the Seahawks are focusing on developing explosive traits to try and create a productive O-line for the future. The evidence is right there — and it’s clear.

What are the TEF scores for the 2017 combine participants?

Forrest Lamp — 3.23
Nico Siragusa — 3.13
Garett Bolles — 3.00*
Isaac Asiata — 2.96
Dorian Johnson — 2.92
Antonio Garcia — 2.89
Sean Harlow — 2.87
Taylor Moton — 2.86
Will Holden — 2.84
Ethan Pocic — 2.81
Jessamen Dunker — 2.77
Corey Levin — 2.76
Erik Austell — 2.75
Dion Dawkins — 2.75
Conor McDermott — 2.73*
Dan Feeney — 2.68
Ben Braden — 2.67
Cam Robinson — 2.67*
Nathan Theaker — 2.64
Danny Isidora — 2.56
Ethan Cooper — 2.52
Adam Bisnowaty — 2.51
Jordan Morgan — 2.49
Daniel Brunskill — 2.48
Julie’n Davenport — 2.48
Dan Skipper — 2.45*
Kyle Fuller — 2.39
Jon Toth — 2.39
Collin Buchanan — 2.38
Damien Mama — 2.38*
Justin Senior — 2.38*
Sami Tevi — 2.37
Jerry Ugokwe — 2.37
Pat Elflein — 2.34
Cameron Lee — 2.28
Chase Roullier — 2.28
Zach Banner — 2.19
Chad Wheeler — 2.14
Avery Gennesy — 2.13
David Sharpe — 2.09

Aviante Collins — DNP in the broad or vertical
Jermaine Eluemunor — DNP in the broad or vertical

* Garett Bolles, Cam Robinson, Damien Mama, Conor McDermott, Dan Skipper and Justin Senior did not do the bench press. They are given a projected score based on the average bench rep number for this draft class (24 reps).

What does this tell us?

If the Seahawks wish to continue drafting explosive offensive linemen, the options are limited.

Garett Bolles is expected to be off the board before the #26 pick. That could also be the case for Forrest Lamp.

TEF suggests that would leave two guards — Nico Siragusa and Isaac Asiata as possible targets.

What about weighted TEF (wTEF)?

This tweaks the formula and accounts for the players with enormous size (eg Germain Ifedi) who perform well in the broad and vertical jumps. Why is this worth considering? It’s simple — jumping a vertical at 320lbs is considerably more difficult than jumping a vertical at 295lbs.

Here is the calculation we use:

Weight x TEF x 0.1

We can give players a score that sufficiently emphasises their unique size.

Germain Ifedi — 324 x 2.97 x 0.1 = 96.1

Spriggs, Jason — 104.9
McGovern, Conner — 101.4
Ifedi, Germain — 96.1
Shell, Brandon — 94.4
Vaitai, Halapoulivaati — 93.8

This helped us determine Ifedi was a distinct possibility for the Seahawks in round one and ultimately they drafted him with the #31 pick a year ago.

wTEF scores for the 2017 draft class

Forrest Lamp — 99.8
Nico Siragusa — 99.8
Isaac Asiata — 95.6
Taylor Moton — 91.2
Garett Bolles — 89.1
Will Holden — 88.3
Jessamen Dunker — 88.0
Ben Braden — 87.8
Dorian Johnson — 87.6
Antonio Garcia — 87.2
Ethan Pocic — 87.1
Sean Harlow — 86.9
Dion Dawkins — 86.3
Cam Robinson — 85.9
Corey Levin — 84.7
Conor McDermott — 83.8
Nathan Theaker — 83.1
Erik Austell — 82.7
Dan Feeney — 81.7
Ethan Cooper — 81.1
Damien Mama — 79.4
Julie’n Davenport — 78.8
Justin Senior — 78.7
Danny Isidora — 78.3
Zach Banner — 77.3
Jordan Morgan — 76.9
Adam Bisnowaty — 76.3
Dan Skipper — 75.7
Collin Buchanan — 75.2
Sami Tevi — 73.7
Kyle Fuller — 73.3
Jon Toth — 73.3
Jerry Ugokwe — 72.7
David Sharpe — 71.6
Cameron Lee — 71.1
Chase Roullier — 71.1
Pat Elflein — 70.9
Daniel Brunskill — 67.7
Avery Gennesy — 67.7
Chad Wheeler — 65.4

What does this tell us?

It reinforces the physical profiles of Forrest Lamp and Nico Siragusa. wTEF also boosts Isaac Asiata into the #3 spot in this class, overtaking Utah team mate Garett Bolles.

Taylor Moton — ranked #8 in TEF with a 2.86 — also overtakes Bolles and several others to become the #4 most explosive athlete in the class.

wTEF also highlights how poorly the likes of Zach Banner, David Sharpe and Damien Mama performed. Despite all three weighing considerably more than most other offensive linemen in this draft — the extra size barely gave them a boost in terms of physical profile.

What else did we learn?

Cam Robinson, one of the biggest names in the draft, is ranked #14 in weighted TEF and #18 in original TEF.

There was quite a lot of buzz around Robinson’s reasonably fast forty time (5.15) but simply put — he is not an explosive athlete and if Seattle drafts him in round one, it would go against everything we’ve discovered over the last five years.

The lack of explosive athletes in this draft class also, yet again, proves the ever growing disparity between O-line and D-line prospects entering the NFL. We’ll put the defensive line prospects through the system on Sunday and it’s absolutely certain there’ll be more than three players scoring a 3.00.

Can anyone else add their name to the list of possible options for Seattle?

Absolutely. For example, George Fant scored a 3.35 at the Western Kentucky pro-day and started at left tackle for the Seahawks during his rookie season. Players who weren’t invited to the combine will get their chance to impress on the pro-day circuit.

Meanwhile Ryan Ramcyzk didn’t workout at the combine as he recovers from labrum surgery and Roderick Johnson didn’t compete due to illness.

What are some of the differences between the 2016 and 2017 O-line classes?

Players scoring a 3.00 or more: six (2016), three (2017)

Players scoring at least a 2.85: nine (2016), eight (2017)

Here’s the top-10 from 2016 combined with the top-10 from 2017:

Jason Spriggs: 3.54
Connor McGovern: 3.29
Forrest Lamp — 3.23
Nico Siragusa — 3.13
Alex Redmond: 3.10
Joe Haeg: 3.06
Joe Dahl: 3.05
Joe Thuney: 3.04

Garett Bolles — 3.00*
Halapoulivaati Vaitai: 2.97
Germain Ifedi: 2.97

Isaac Asiata — 2.96
Dorian Johnson — 2.92
Brandon Shell: 2.91
Antonio Garcia — 2.89
Sean Harlow — 2.87
Taylor Moton — 2.86
Will Holden — 2.84
Ryan Kelly: 2.84
Ethan Pocic — 2.81

Do you have any predictions based on this data?

— Unless Garett Bolles or Forrest Lamp are available at #26 the Seahawks will not draft an offensive lineman in the first round.

— The Seahawks might draft Isaac Asiata, Taylor Moton or Nico Siragusa beyond the first round.

— Garett Bolles will be drafted in the top-12 and Forrest Lamp will also be taken in the first round.

Any thoughts on the running back class?

— There’s a lot of talk about Leonard Fournette’s performance today — but here’s some perspective:

Zeke Elliott (225lbs) — 4.47 in the forty yard dash
Dalvin Cook (210lbs) — 4.49 in the forty yard dash
Leonard Fournette (240lbs) — 4.51 in the forty yard dash

Fournette is 0.02 slower than Cook but weighs 30lbs more. He’s 0.04 slower than Elliott but weighs 15lbs more.

He might not be explosive in the vertical or broad jumps (a surprise) — but let’s appreciate his speed/size combo in relation to Elliott and Cook.

— The Seahawks haven’t drafted for speed at the position in the Pete Carroll era. They’ve consistently taken running backs in the 4.47-4.55 type of range. Explosive athleticism, physicality, size (approx. 220lbs) and running style are the key aspects.

Of the running backs competing today, the following stand out:

Christopher Carson — 6-0, 218lbs, 37 inch vert, 10-10 broad
Brian Hill — 6-0, 219lbs, 34 inch vert, 10-5 broad
Alvin Kamara — 5-10, 214lbs, 39.5 inch vert, 10-11 broad
Joe Williams — 5-11, 210lbs, 35 inch vert, 10-5 broad

Disappointingly, Elijah Hood didn’t compete in any drills other than the bench press (18 reps) and he was heavier than expected (232lbs).

— This looks like a ‘play-it-by-ear’ running back class. If there’s value at the end of round three or between rounds 4-7, perhaps they consider adding another back.

Otherwise, pass.

The options aren’t great and with a host of top defensive talent available this year, this is already looking like a defense-minded draft for a team like Seattle that values traits and specific profiles.

The first day of the combine arguably suggests that if the Seahawks are going to make additions to the offensive line and at running back this off-season — those additions will come in free agency.

2017 combine day one live blog: OL, RB

Friday, March 3rd, 2017

This live blog will be updated throughout the day. Keeping refreshing and join in the discussion in the comments section.

Today the offensive lineman and running backs workout. We’ll also get the measurements for the defensive linemen and linebackers.

If you missed yesterday’s TEF preview, check it out. The workouts to monitor for the offensive linemen are the vertical and broad jumps. We already have the bench press numbers from yesterday.

As soon as we have all the data we’ll be posting 2017 TEF scores for this draft class.

For the running backs, explosive testing (vertical, broad) is also important. The Seahawks have not drafted 4.3-4.4 runners. Speed and the forty yard dash will not necessarily be a key factor. Explosive testing, physicality (running style) and size (+220lbs) is important.

Forty yard dash (OL)

Group one

Isaac Asiata — 5.35 & 5.44
Erik Austell — 5.21 & 5.23
Zach Banner — 5.58 & 5.60
Adam Bisnowaty — 5.23 & 5.26
Garett Bolles — 4.96 & 5.02
Ben Braden — 5.05 & 5.03
Aviante Collins — 4.78 & 4.82
Ethan Cooper — 5.38 & 5.36
Julie’n Davenport — 5.48 & 5.46
Dion Dawkins — 5.11 & 5.15
Jessamen Dunker — 5.05 & 5.00
Pat Elflein — 5.32 & 5.33
Jermaine Eluemunor — 5.17 & 5.22
Dan Feeney — 5.28 & 5.25

Garett Bolles had a 1.71 10-yard split. Aviante Collins had the fastest split (1.68).

Collins (TCU) hurt himself in the initial movement drill. Pat Elflein’s footwork was impressive, ditto Eluemunor and Dan Feeney. Solid.

Nobody is on Bolles’ level of movement and athleticism so far. His balance, control and quick change of direction is so good. Mike Mayock just compared Bolles to Terron Armstead.

The NFL Network has gone to an ad break. NFL.com is showing Tweets by Annie Apple and Nick Mangold. Do they not realise the only people watching this want to see the drills?

Dion Dawkins looked smooth in the 5-yard wave drill.

In the next cone drill, Bolles just exploded out of his stance and sprinted beautifully downfield — again putting the rest of this group to shame.

Bolles is the clear leader among this group. So far Dion Dawkins has looked the next best O-liner in group one.

In the kick slide, Zach Banner laboured. Bolles looked really good again. No surprise there. He was so quick he had to wait for the ‘rabbit’ (O-liner acting as a DE) to catch-up to complete the drill. Dawkins’ kick slide was quite smooth too and Elflein (with a football to snap as a center) also looked good. Eluemunor struggled.

They ask the O-liners to do a drop-back DB drill to test their hip flexibility. Group one was a mess overall. I don’t need to tell you the name of the one guy who looked comfortable. Nobody compared to Laremy Tunsil’s sensational performance in this drill a year ago.

Adam Bisnowaty and Bolles both excelled in the mirror drill. Asiata was nicely controlled for an interior lineman.

Official 40-yard dash times (top-10)

Aviante Collins — 4.81
Garett Bolles — 4.95
Jessamen Dunker — 4.98
Ben Braden — 5.04
Dion Dawkins — 5.11
Jermaine Eluemunor — 5.22
Adam Bisnowaty — 5.23
Erik Austell — 5.23
Dan Feeney — 5.24
Pat Elflein — 5.32

Defensive line & linebacker measurements

Myles Garrett — 6-4, 272lbs, 10 1/4 hands, 35 1/4 arms,
Solomon Thomas — 6-2 5/8, 273lbs, 9 3/8 hands, 33 arms
Charles Walker — 6-1 7/8, 310lbs, 9 5/8 hands, 35 3/4 arms
Deatrich Wise — 6-5 1/4, 274lbs, 10 1/2 inch hands, 35 5/8 arms
Tim Williams — 6-2 7/8, 244lbs, 9 1/4 hands, 32 3/4 arms
DeMarcus Walker — 6-3 5/8, 280lbs, 10 1/2 hands, 33 inch arms
Reuben Foster — 6-0, 229lbs, 10 1/4 hands, 32 3/8 arms
Jabrill Peppers — 5-10 7/8, 213lbs, 9 5/8 hands, 30 3/4 arms
Raekwon McMillan — 6-1 7/8, 240lbs, 9 1/2 hands, 32 1/2 arms
TJ Watt — 6-4 1/2, 252lbs, 11 hands, 33 1/8 arms
Jonathan Allen — 6-3, 286lbs, 33 5/8 arms
Derek Barnett — 6-3, 259lbs, 32 1/8 arms
Taco Charlton — 6-6, 277lbs, 34 1/4 arms
Caleb Brantley — 6-3, 307lbs, 32 arms
Charles Harris — 6-3, 253lbs, 32 3/8 arms
Davon Godchaux — 6-3, 310lbs, 32 3/8 arms
Malik McDowell — 6-6, 295lbs, 34 3/4 arms
Takkarist McKinley — 6-2, 250lbs, 34 3/4 arms
Haason Reddick — 6-1, 237lbs, 32 3/4 arms
Carroll Phillips — 6-3, 242lbs 33 3/4 arms
Ryan Anderson — 6-2, 253lbs, 31 1/2 arms
Alex Anzalone — 6-3, 241lbs, 32 1/8 arms
Kendell Beckwith — 6-2, 243lbs, 33 arms
Montravius Adams — 6-4, 304lbs, 32 3/4 arms
Jaleel Johnson — 6-3, 316lbs, 33 1/4 arms
Tanoh Kpassagnon — 6-7, 289lbs, 35 5/8 arms
Carl Lawson — 6-2, 261lbs, 31 1/2 arms
Elijah Qualls — 6-1, 313lbs, 30 5/8 arms
Dalvin Tomlinson — 6-3, 310lbs, 33 1/2 arms
Stevie Tu’Ikolovatu — 6-1, 331lbs, 33 7/8 arms
Eddie Vanderdoes — 6-3, 305lbs, 33 1/8 arms
Carlos Watkins — 6-3, 309lbs, 34 5/8 arms
Jordan Willis — 6-4, 255lbs, 33 1/2 arms
Chris Wormley — 6-5, 298lbs, 34 1/8 arms
Tyus Bowser — 6-3, 247lbs, 33 1/4
Zach Cunningham — 6-3, 234lbs, 34 3/8 arms
Jarrad Davis — 6-1, 238lbs, 33 1/2 arms
Anthony Walker — 6-1, 238lbs, 30 3/8 arms
Joe Mathis — 6-2, 266lbs, 33 arms, 9 hands

A reminder — Seattle hasn’t drafted a defensive lineman with sub-33 inch arms.

The first thing that stands out is the length of Zach Cunningham and Jarrad Davis. Cunningham has 34.5 inch arms, Davis 33.5 inch arms. Cunningham can help himself this weekend but Davis won’t work out until his pro-day due to injury.

Myles Garrett, Takk McKinley, Malik McDowell, Taco Charlton, Charles Walker and Deatrich Wise have great length.

Some of the potential day 2/3 options also have attractive length — Carlos Watkins, Eddie Vanderdoes, Stevie Tu’Ikolovatu, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Jaleel Johnson, Chris Wormley and Jordan Willis

Charles Harris, Caleb Brantley, Derek Barnett and Tim Williams are all sub-33 inches for arm length. Carl Lawson’s 31.5 inch arms are a worry.

Group two forty yard dash

Kyle Fuller — 5.25 & 5.27
Antonio Garcia — 5.26 & 5.16
Avery Gennesy — 5.42 & 5.35
Sean Harlow — 5.15 & 5.16
Will Holden — 5.45 & 5.48
Danny Isidora — 5.04 & 5.01
Dorian Johnson — 5.28 & 5.33
Roderick Johnson — DNP
Forrest Lamp — 4.99 & 5.00
Cameron Lee — 5.40 & 5.45
Damien Mama — 5.84 & 5.86
Conor McDermott — 5.19 & 5.15
Jordan Morgan — 5.36 & 5.39
Taylor Moton — 5.18 & 5.22
Ethan Pocic — 5.12 & 5.17
Ryan Ramcyzk — DNP
Cam Robinson — 5.15 & 5.16
Justin Senior — 5.64 & 5.56
David Sharpe — 5.46 & 5.44
Nico Siragusa — 5.42 & 5.36
Dan Skipper — 5.42 & 5.42
Sam Tevi — 5.28 & 5.30
Nate Theaker — 5.51 & 5.42
Jon Toth — 5.51 & 5.55
Jerry Ugokwe — 5.63 & 5.62
Chad Wheeler — 5.43 & 5.56

Roderick Johnson is not participating today due to sickness. D’Onta Foreman is not doing running back drills today. Ryan Ramcyzk had labrum surgery and is not competing.

According to Daniel Jeremiah, David Sharpe (T, Florida) is legally blind in his right eye.

Onto the drills — Taylor Moton looked good in the agility drills. Nice back-pedal, decent lateral movement. Chad Wheeler and Cam Robinson also performed well.

One thing is clear — there are not many good athletes in this second group of offensive linemen. There’a a handful at best, fronted by Forrest Lamp. I’m not optimistic we’ll see many great TEF scores when the vertical and broad jump results are made public.

Antonio Garcia got a little aggressive in the kick-slide drill, shoving his guy at the end. He’s edgy.

Taylor Moton did well in the back-pedal drills. Nice hips. Probably the best we’ve seen apart from Garett Bolles.

Broad & vertical jump results — O-line

Garett Bolles jumped a TEF-busting 9-7. That’s the fifth best broad jump by an offensive lineman since 2006.

Broad

Garett Bolles — 9-7
Dorian Johnson — 9-6
Forrest Lamp — 9-3
Will Holden — 9-3
Nico Siragusa — 9-2
Taylor Moton — 9-1
Antonio Garcia — 9-0
Jessamen Dunker — 9-0
Ethan Pocic — 8-11
Cam Robinson — 8-10
Dion Dawkins — 8-10
Chad Wheeler — 8-9
Isaac Asiata — 8-6
Dan Feeney — 8-5
Pat Elflein — 8-3
David Sharpe — 8-1
Adam Bisnowaty — 8-0
Damien Mama — 8-0
Zach Banner — 7-8

Moton was wrongly credited on the NFL Network with a 9-10 broad jump. It’s actually a 9-1.

Vertical

Forrest Lamp — 27.5
Taylor Moton — 30.5
Isaac Asiata — 25.5
Zach Banner — 23.5
Adam Bisnowaty — 29.5
Garett Bolles — 28
Ben Braden — 28
Julie’n Davenport — 27
Dion Dawkins — 26
Pat Elflein — 23.5
Dan Feeney — 28
Kyle Fuller — 26
Antonio Garcia — 31
Avery Gennesy — 20
Sean Harlow — 30.5
Will Holden — 28
Danny Isidora — 29
Dorian Johnson — 30
Damien Mama — 24.5
Conor McDermott — 28.5
Ethan Pocic — 27
Cam Robinson — 26
David Sharpe — 20.5
Nico Siragusa — 32
Dan Skipper — 26
Sam Tevi — 26
Chad Wheeler — 20.5

The big shock of the day is Leonard Fournette only managed a 28.5 inch vertical. Dalvin Cook only managed a 30.5 too. Compare that to Christian McCaffrey’s 37.5 or Alvin Kamara’s 39.5.

Fournette didn’t participate in the broad jump for some reason. Cook managed a 9-8 while McCaffrey (10-1) and Kamara (10-11!!) excelled again.

Alvin Kamara is by far the most explosive running back among this quartet.

Initial TEF scores

I’ll have a bigger piece on this later.

Taylor Moton — 2.86
Forrest Lamp — 3.23
Isaac Asiata — 2.96
Adam Bisnowaty — 2.51
Dion Dawkins — 2.75
Pat Elflein — 2.34
Dan Feeney — 2.68
Antonio Garcia — 2.89
Dorian Johnson — 2.92
Ethan Pocic — 2.81
Garett Bolles — 3.00*
Cam Robinson — 2.67*
Nico Siragusa — 3.13

* Garett Bolles and Cam Robinson did not do the bench press. They are given a projected score based on the average bench rep number for this draft class (24 reps).

I’ll have a bigger piece on this later — but so far TEF has identified only three truly explosive offensive linemen in this draft class: Forrest Lamp, Garett Bolles and Nico Siragusa.

Isaac Asiata was close (2.96). Ryan Ramcyzk and Roderick Johnson didn’t work out due to injury. I’ll have a bigger article on this later today.

Here’s a note on draft order:

Isaac Asiata has been doing an interview with NFL.com. His character and personality are A+.

Running back forty yard dash

Chris Carson — 4.58 & 4.60
Corey Clement — 4.68 & 4.76
Tarik Cohen — 4.42 & 4.42
James Conner — 4.66 & 4.68
Dalvin Cook — 4.50 & 4.50
Leonard Fournette — 4.51 & 4.52
Wayne Gallman — 4.57 & 4.60
De’Angelo Henderson — 4.48 & 4.48
Brian Hill — 4.54 & 4.61
Elijah Hood — DNP
Kareem Hunt — 4.66 & 4.62
Aaron Jones — 4.52 & 4.50
Alvin Kamara — 4.53 & 4.65
T.J. Logan — 4.37 & 4.44
Marlon Mack — 4.50 & 4.51
Christian McCaffrey — 4.49 & 4.59
Jeremy McNichols — 4.52 & 4.49
Samaje Perine — 4.66 & 4.70
Donnel Pumphrey — 4.49 & 4.50
De’Veon Smith — DNP
Jamaal Williams — 4.60 & 4.63
Joe Williams — 4.42 & 4.54
Stanley Williams — 4.51 & 4.44

Zeke Elliott ran a 4.47 a year ago at 225lbs to put Leonard Fournette’s 4.51 at 240lbs into context. Here’s a good way of looking at it:

Zeke Elliott (225lbs) — 4.47
Dalvin Cook (210lbs) — 4.50
Leonard Fournette (240lbs) — 4.51

Fournette is 0.01 slower than Cook but weighs 30lbs more. He’s 0.04 slower than Elliott but weighs 15lbs more.

The Seahawks haven’t drafted a burner at running back. Michael (4.54), Prosise (4.48) and Turbin (4.50) were explosive rather than really fast.

There was a lot of talk pre-draft about how quick the likes of Brian Hill and Kareem Hunt would run. They only managed a 4.5 and a 4.6 respectively.

The most important numbers for this group in relation to Seattle will again be the broad and vertical jumps.

2017 TEF preview and tweaking the formula

Thursday, March 2nd, 2017

The vertical jump is a key test for offensive linemen at the combine

What is TEF?

Last year we put together a formula (detailed here) based around Tom Cable’s self-confessed ‘ideal’ physical profile. We called it TEF (Trench Explosion Formula).

What exactly does it calculate?

Cable stated two years ago that a prospect would ideally achieve a 31-inch vertical, a 9-foot broad jump and 27 reps in the bench press. TEF uses these numbers to create an overall score for each individual offensive lineman:

1. Vertical ÷ 31
2. Broad ÷ 9, then cube the result
3. Bench ÷ 27
4. Results added together = TEF

Here’s what the ideal (31 — 9 — 27) would look like using this formula:

1. Vertical: 31 ÷ 31 = 1
2. Broad: 9 ÷ 9 = 1, cubed = 1
3. Bench: 27 ÷ 27 = 1
4. Overall score = 3.00

How do you judge an ‘ideal’ explosive athlete?

A prospect achieving the exact Cable ideal (31 — 9 — 27) will score a 3.00 in TEF.

How do you know it’s a worthwhile exercise?

When we went back and put Seattle’s recent draft picks through the formula, this is what we found:

Mark Glowinski: 3.34
Terry Poole: 3.12
Kristjan Sokoli: 3.75
Justin Britt: 3.00
Garrett Scott: 3.27
Ryan Seymour: 3.10
Jared Smith: 3.35
J.R. Sweezy: 3.13
Gary Gilliam (UDFA): 3.09

The Seahawks also passed on a collection of players scoring below the 3.00 threshold.

If explosive athleticism is so important, why did they reach for Justin Britt?

I’m glad you asked, because TEF perfectly explains the Britt pick in 2014. He was one of the last ‘explosive’ offense lineman on the board when the reigning Super Bowl champion Seahawks picked at the very end of round two:

#64 Justin Britt 3.00
#66 Morgan Moses: 2.69
#67 Billy Turner: 2.83
#140 Cameron Fleming: 2.45
#149 Kevin Pamphile: 2.96
#199 Garrett Scott: 3.27

Despite their greater name recognition and reputations, Seattle passed on Moses and Turner and selected the unknown Britt — the considerably more explosive athlete.

The next explosive O-liner to leave the board, Garrett Scott, was also drafted by the Seahawks 135 picks later. They passed on all of the names in-between Britt and Scott, none of which had the 3.00 score.

Remember, the Seahawks didn’t have a third round pick in 2014 because of the Percy Harvin trade. They needed a right tackle and were willing to reach to make sure they got an athlete matching their ideal physical profile.

You mocked Germain Ifedi to Seattle a year ago, so what did TEF tell us?

Ifedi, for what it’s worth, scored a 2.97 in TEF. He didn’t hit the 3.00 mark but let’s put this into context. In the bench press he achieved 24 reps. With 25 reps, he would’ve scored a 3.00. You’re not deciding whether or not to draft a player based on one bench press rep.

Why else did they take Ifedi if he scored a 2.97 and not a 3.00?

Size matters and for that, we have ‘weighted TEF’ (wTEF). Original TEF doesn’t really account for the players who are enormous (Ifedi) and test well for their size.

How does wTEF work?

Here’s the formula:

weight x TEF x 0.1 = wTEF

This accounts for a player at 325lbs (like Ifedi) having an incredible vertical and broad jump performance despite weighing 20-25lbs more than other O-line prospects. Weighted TEF considered Ifedi’s incredible size and suggested he was the third best overall athlete in the O-line class:

Germain Ifedi — 324 x 2.97 x 0.1 = 96.1

Spriggs, Jason — 104.9
McGovern, Conner — 101.4
Ifedi, Germain — 96.1
Shell, Brandon — 94.4
Vaitai, Halapoulivaati — 93.8

This helped us determine Ifedi was a distinct possibility for the Seahawks in round one and ultimately they drafted him.

For more on wTEF, click here. When we have the results of Friday’s workouts we’ll put the data for TEF and wTEF on the blog as soon as possible.

Is there anything else to consider?

Arm length, intelligence and grit are also important factors. The Seahawks have only drafted one lineman with sub-33 inch arms — Joey Hunt, a sixth round pick at center. Cable has specifically discussed the importance of intelligence and coachability. We also know they want players that play with an edge.

Are you doing anything different this year?

For 2017 we have tweaked the formula slightly (and made it better).

Because there are 12 inches in a foot, a broad jump of 9’11” was being recorded as a 10.0 in TEF. We were rounding up because we had to.

9’6″ = 9.6
9’11” does not = 9.11 in this formula
9’11” had to = 10

Any player jumping a 9’10” or 9’11” was being credited with a 10’0″ broad jump.

To overcome the issue we’re converting the jump to inches and then dividing by 12 (then dividing by 9 and cubing the total as before). Every inch is worth 0.083 instead of 0.1 and provides a more accurate assessment of a broad jump performance (and overall explosive athleticism).

It won’t impact the scores too much but they’ll be more accurate.

Can you use TEF for any other positions?

Because the offensive linemen directly face off against the defensive linemen, we can also use TEF to compare the two groups. Last year we identified only six ‘explosive’ offensive linemen compared to 26 explosive defensive linemen. It was unintentional — but TEF helped emphasise the growing physical disparity between D-line and O-line prospects entering the league.

Other FAQ’s

What is the overall benefit of the formula?

1. It provides leeway. If a prospect scores a slightly less than ideal score in the vertical jump, they can still achieve a +3.00 if they excel in the broad jump and/or bench press. A really explosive broad jumper who doesn’t quite bench 27 reps isn’t being severely critiqued for missing the ideal in one test.

2. We’re comparing a prospect to the self-confessed ideal of Seattle’s offensive line coach. Rather than just adding up a set of numbers, the grade is directly relevant to the Seahawks.

Why cube the broad jump score?

Let’s use Jason Spriggs’ TEF score a year ago to highlight why this is important:

1. Vertical: 35 ÷ 31 = 1.13
2. Broad: 9.7 ÷ 9 = 1.1
3. Broad cubed = 1.26
4. Bench: 31 ÷ 27 = 1.15
5. Added together Spriggs’ score is 3.54

Spriggs’ 9-7 in the broad jump is arguably more impressive than his 35 inch vertical or his 31 reps on the bench press. Without cubing his 1.1 score in the broad it would actually be marked as his weakest test. Instead it is correctly highlighted as his best work.

This is significant given Seattle’s clear interest in explosive measurements in the broad jump (explained here).

Why are you saying the prospect I like isn’t any good just because your formula gives him a low score?

I’m not and you’re getting it all wrong.

TEF is not asserting how good a player is. It is merely a formula to help us determine which offensive linemen physically match-up to Tom Cable’s stated ideals (and therefore are more likely to be drafted by the Seahawks). If a player scores a 2.65 it doesn’t mean I think he’s bad. If a player scores a 3.45 it doesn’t mean I think he’s going to be a regular all-pro. TEF is merely a guide for Seahawks fans to determine who is more likely to be drafted by the team.

TEF didn’t project Rees Odhiambo and Joey Hunt did it?

Their data was never accumulated. Joey Hunt didn’t workout pre-draft and Rees Odhiambo didn’t appear at the combine. He struggled through a pro-day appearance while still recovering from a serious injury. If you don’t have the numbers you can’t project a score.

How did this help a year ago?

Here are the predictions/assertions we made after collecting the 2016 data:

— The most likely offensive tackles to be drafted at #26 are Jason Spriggs and Germain Ifedi

Seattle drafted Ifedi after trading down to #31

— The Seahawks would probably love Sheldon Rankins to fall (but he won’t)

Rankins, commonly linked to the Seahawks at #26, was the #12 overall pick (New Orleans) and the #2 TEF tester in the draft

— Is Jonathan Bullard special enough to warrant a first round pick when there are comparable players in terms of explosion available beyond round one?

Bullard lasted until the third round with the Seahawks passing on him twice

2017 bench press results

The O-liners conducted the bench press today, the first part of the TEF equation:

Antonio Garcia — 24 reps
Garett Bolles — DNP
Dorian Johnson — 21 reps
Forrest Lamp — 34 reps
Taylor Moton — 23 reps
Cam Robinson — DNP
Nico Siragusa — 28 reps
David Sharpe — 19 reps
Ryan Ramcyzk — 25 reps
Ethan Pocic — 26 reps
Chad Wheeler — 15 reps
Zach Banner — 22 reps
Adam Bisnowaty — 23 reps
Julie’n Davenport — 18 reps
Dion Dawkins — 26 reps
Jermaine Eluemunor — 34 reps
Dan Feeney — 26 reps
Isaac Asiata — 35 reps
Aviante Collins — 34 reps
Sam Tevi — 15 reps
Damien Mama — DNP
Roderick Johnson — DNP

The following players have +33-inch arms and achieved at least 27 reps on the bench press: Isaac Asiata, Aviante Collins, Jermaine Eluemunor and Nico Siragusa. Forrest Lamp had an impressive 34 reps on the bench but only has 32 1/4 inch arms.

Asiata is a key name to watch tomorrow. There were a few plays in 2016 where he really flashed surprising athleticism (including one brilliantly executed screen pass to Joe Williams where Asiata led him — sprinting — deep downfield). He also showed plenty of explosion creating running lanes against Washington’s fearsome D-line.

Cam Robinson didn’t take part due to past shoulder issues. Reportedly he will not do the drill pre-draft. It’s unclear why Garett Bolles, Roderick Johnson and Damian Mama did not participate. All four players will receive a projected TEF score using the average number of bench reps for this draft class (24 reps).

The offensive linemen will compete in the vertical and broad jumps tomorrow. We will be live blogging from 6am PST.

Combine: O-line, RB measurements & John Schneider

Wednesday, March 1st, 2017

I’ve noted some key names below. For a full list click here.

Isaac Asiata — 6-3, 323lbs, 33 3/4 inch arms
Adam Bisnowaty — 6-6, 304lbs, 33 7/8 inch arms
Garett Bolles — 6-5, 297lbs, 34 inch arms
Dion Dawkins — 6-4, 314lbs, 35 inch arms
Jermaine Eluemunor — 6-4, 332lbs, 33 1/4 inch arms
Antonio Garcia — 6-6, 302lbs, 33 3/8 inch arms
Dorian Johnson — 6-5, 300lbs, 35 1/4 inch arms
Roderick Johnson — 6-7, 298lbs, 36 inch arms
Forrest Lamp — 6-4, 309lbs, 32 1/4 inch arms
Damien Mama — 6-3, 334lbs, 35 inch arms
Taylor Moton — 6-5, 319lbs, 34 1/8 inch arms
Ryan Ramcyzk — 6-6, 310lbs, 33 3/4 inch arms
Cam Robinson — 6-6, 322lbs, 35 1/2 inch arms
David Sharpe — 6-6, 343lbs, 35 3/8 inch arms
Chad Wheeler — 6-7, 306lbs, 33 1/8 inch arms

Some quick notes…

— A lot of the players, yet again, were measured short at the Senior Bowl. The likes of Forrest Lamp, Adam Bisnowaty, Dion Dawkins and others somehow managed to grow their arms by as much as an inch in the last month. It’s unclear why there’s consistently such a discrepancy between the two sets of measurements.

— The good news here? It means cornerbacks like Tre’Davious White, measured with 31.5 inch arms at the Senior Bowl, might top the 32-inch mark at the combine. The more cornerbacks fitting into Seattle’s profile the better. Only two CB’s in Mobile had 32 inch arms. They obviously do things differently in Indianapolis. (the Seahawks haven’t drafted a cornerback in the Pete Carroll era with sub-32 inch arms).

— Dorian Johnson was recruited as a 5-star tackle prospect but played guard at Pittsburgh. At 6-5, 300lbs and with +35 inch arms, he could be Branden Albert 2.0 and play tackle in the NFL.

— It might not be a great draft for offensive linemen but there’s a nice collection of size and length. Players like Damien Mama and Dion Dawkins with 35-inch arms and good size become very intriguing.

— Garett Bolles measured as expected. He’ll likely gain 10lbs quickly when he gets pro-guidance. Expect a killer workout and a top-15 grade.

— Ryan Ramcyzk’s length isn’t an issue at 33 3/4inch arms at 6-6. There were some doubts about his length — not anymore. He won’t workout due to injury.

John Schneider spoke at the podium today. This was interesting:

Schneider also admitted regret in releasing Jahri Evans and suggested the Seahawks were too young on the O-line in 2016. This suggests they will look to acquire some veteran help in free agency and that early picks on the O-line (aka even more youth and inexperience) might be unlikely.

If you missed our combine preview podcast, check it out here.

Running back measurements are listed in full here.

James Conner — 6-1, 233lbs
Dalvin Cook — 5-10, 210lbs
Matt Dayes — 5-9, 205lbs
D’Onta Foreman — 6-0, 233lbs
Leonard Fournette — 6-0, 240lbs
Wayne Gallman — 6-0, 215lbs
Brian Hill — 6-0, 219lbs
Elijah Hood — 6-0, 232lbs
Kareem Hunt — 6-0, 216lbs
Alvin Kamara — 5-10, 214lbs
Christian McCaffrey — 5-11, 202lbs
Jeremy McNichols — 5-9, 214lbs
Samaje Perine — 5-11, 233lbs
Jamaal Williams — 6-0, 212lbs
Joe Williams — 5-11, 210lbs

There aren’t too many headlines. D’Onta Foreman is 16lbs lighter than the weight listed by Texas. Elijah Hood is 12lbs heavier than his expected 220lbs.

The Seahawks ‘type’ over the years has been around 5-11 in height and 220lbs. There are players close to that (eg Brian Hill) but there aren’t any real standouts. Explosive testing is the key on Friday at running back (vertical, broad jumps).

If you missed our big combine preview, click here.

NFL combine preview 2017

Monday, February 27th, 2017

Groups 1-3 (PK, ST, OL, RB)

Arrival: Tuesday
Measurements: Wednesday
Bench press: Thursday
On-field drills: Friday

Offensive linemen
If you’re not familiar with TEF, here are the details. As soon as we get a full list of workout numbers we’ll calculate and publish the scores. The Seahawks like explosive offensive linemen. 30 reps on the bench press, +9′ in the broad jump and a 31-inch vertical is the ideal physical profile. All of the offensive linemen they’ve drafted since 2010 have had at least 33 inch arms. The three offensive tackles they’ve taken in round one average 35.3-inches for arm length.

Key drills
Vertical, Broad, Bench

Ideal size
6-5, 320lbs, 35 inch arms, +31 inch vertical, +9’ broad, +30 bench reps

Interesting notes
There were 26 ‘explosive’ defensive linemen performing at the combine last year compared to just six offensive linemen (per TEF). The NFL has a tackle shortage and the best athletes, unquestionably, are playing defense instead of offense in college. Who can blame them when a player like Olivier Vernon gets $17m a year?

Some names to monitor

Garett Bolles (T, Utah)
The best left tackle in college football and likely the best athlete. There’s a very good chance he will go in the top-15 if not the top-10. His backstory is emphatically ‘Seahawky’ and he plays with a genuine edge. Tremendous prospect — enjoy his performance and dream about what could’ve been.

Dorian Johnson (T/G, Pittsburgh)
He didn’t attend the Senior Bowl due to injury so it’ll be good to get his measurements (in particular arm length). Johnson is a former 5-star recruit at tackle and could revert back to the outside ala Branden Albert. He’ll need to have the required length and explosive profile to be on Seattle’s radar at #26.

Taylor Moton (T/G, Western Michigan)
Nasty run blocker and physically reminiscent of what Seattle has gone for in the past. He’s 6-5, 330lbs with 33 1/8 inch arms and massive 11-inch hands. They tried Justin Britt at right tackle with this type of profile.

Isaac Asiata (G, Utah)
Really nasty, physical guard who took it to Washington’s talented D-line. Provided a fantastic combo with Garett Bolles on the left side and consistently created huge running lanes for Joe Williams. Let’s see how explosive he is. Asiata might be a better athlete than people realise.

Jermaine Eluemunor (T/G, Texas A&M)
Similar profile to Moton and has nice footwork for 6-4, 325lbs. Has Seattle size. British born and late to the game but there’s some upside here. Will be interesting to see how explosive he is.

Roderick Johnson (T, Florida State)
Looks the part but had an underwhelming career at FSU. Never lived up to the hype as a possible first round pick. That said, in a class without a ton of viable offensive tackle options — Johnson is at least a decent project for someone with starter potential. He’s listed at 6-7 and 311lbs.

Running back
The Seahawks have consistently drafted a ‘body type’ at the position. Christine Michael (220lbs), C.J. Prosise (220lbs), Robert Turbin (222lbs), Alex Collins (217lbs) and Spencer Ware (228lbs) all had similar size, height and athletic profiles. This might be the year Seattle goes ‘bigger’ — but it’ll be the first year they do if so. Look for RB’s in the 220lbs range with fantastic explosive traits (vertical, broad jump).

Key drills
Vertical, Broad

Ideal size
5-11, 220lbs, +36 inch vertical, +10 broad

Interesting notes
The Seahawks haven’t drafted a burner at running back. Michael (4.54), Prosise (4.48) and Turbin (4.50) were explosive rather than really fast. Explosive suddenness and power over straight line speed appears to be the order of the day.

Some names to monitor

Elijah Hood (RB, North Carolina)
In 2013 at the Nike SPARQ Combine he ran a 4.48 at 6-0 and 221lbs, jumping a 36.3-inch vertical. Hood can squat 635lbs and bench 375lbs. He’s in Seattle’s range as a body type and appears to have the explosive qualities too.

Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
It’ll be interesting to see if Perine really is his listed 5-10 and 235lbs. He should excel in the short shuttle — his change of direction and agility traits are superb. Combine testing will have a huge impact on his stock. Can he pull off a terrific vertical/broad?

Kareem Hunt (RB, Toledo)
It was a bit of a surprise when he turned up at the Senior Bowl weighing just 208lbs. He might be more naturally suited to being 215-220lbs and he looked big in college. Hunt has been tipped to run a really impressive forty time. If he has a complete performance and has added weight, he’ll be one to watch.

Brian Hill (RB, Wyoming)
Listed at 5-11 and 219lbs, Hill is tough to bring down and finishes runs. Ploughs through tackles and gets extra yardage. Another player being tipped to run an electric forty time. Like Hunt, if he has a complete performance and shows off some explosive traits — he could be an option for Seattle.

Wayne Gallman (RB, Clemson)
The RB position is a bit of a complimentary role at Clemson. Gallman doesn’t have the numbers but he’s really tough. He’s a competitor. It’s possible he’s bigger than the listed 6-0 and 210lbs. If so — and if he can test well — he’s another option for Seattle beyond the first two or three rounds.

Groups 4-6 (QB, WR, TE)

Arrival: Wednesday
Measurements: Thursday
Bench press: Friday
On-field drills: Saturday

Quarterbacks
There’s little to capture the imagination of Seahawks fans here unless you think one of the top guys ends up in San Francisco or Arizona. Focus on the buzz more than anything. The Patrick Mahomes hype will likely pick up. We’ll get an angle on how teams view Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubisky and Deshone Kizer.

Wide receivers
Kenny Lawler (4.64) and Chris Harper (4.50) are the only receivers they’ve drafted who didn’t run in the 4.4’s. Paul Richardson (4.40), Golden Tate (4.42), Tyler Lockett (4.40), Kris Durham (4.46) and Kevin Norwood (4.48) all cracked the 4.4’s. That appears to be a benchmark. The Seahawks have collected sudden, shifty athletes at the position. Kris Durham (216lbs), Chris Harper (229lbs) and Kenny Lawler (203lbs) are the only three receivers drafted that were +200lbs.

Key drills
Forty, catching drills (proper technique)

Ideal size
6-1, 210lbs, 4.45 forty

Interesting note
The best non-FA athlete Seattle has acquired in the Carroll/Schneider era was an UDFA — Ricardo Lockette. He ran a 4.41, had a 39-inch vertical and a 6.76 three-cone. He was also well-sized at 211lbs with 33.5-inch arms. The Seahawks have been comfortable bringing in high-ceiling UDFA receivers, finding success with Lockette, Doug Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse.

Some names to monitor

Jehu Chesson (WR, Michigan)
A forgotten man in this draft class due to Michigan’s propensity to run the ball. Chesson is a dynamic athlete with good size (6-3, 203lbs). His all-round game is very good and he offers plus run-blocking and special teams value.

Malachi Dupre (WR, LSU)
Had a 42.4-inch vertical at the 2013 SPARQ combine. It’s hard to judge Dupre considering LSU basically played without a proper quarterback for the last two years. He might only be a 4.5 runner but could be a steal in the middle rounds.

Mack Hollins (WR, North Carolina)
If they’re looking for another Lockette — Hollins could be an option. He’s 6-4 and 210lbs and expected to run a fast time. He was a special teams captain in each of his four years at UNC with 20 special teams tackles over his first three seasons.

Tight ends
The three tight ends Seattle’s drafted — Nick Vannett, Luke Willson, Anthony McCoy — are all quite different. Vannett was considered a throw-back style blocker with some pass-catching potential. Willson ran a 4.51 at his pro-day with a 38-inch vertical. McCoy ran a 4.78 but was familiar with Carroll and had great size and big mitts. This is one of the more unpredictable positions to judge for Seattle.

Key drills
Vertical, Broad, Bench, Forty

Ideal size
6-5, 260lbs, +34-inch arms, +10-inch hands

Interesting note
In 2010 when Jimmy Graham was drafted in round three by the Saints — the following players left the board between pick #95 and Seattle’s next pick at #111: Everson Griffen, Alterraun Verner, Darrell Stuckey, Aaron Hernandez and Geno Atkins. The Seahawks took Kam Chancellor at #133. The 2010 draft had some depth.

Some names to monitor

Scott Orndoff (TE, Pittsburgh)
He’s 6-5 and 256lbs. Not a freak of nature type but a very capable blocker with some downfield ability. Really helped Pitt run the ball as well as they did. If you’re a run-heavy team wanting a TE that can do it all, Orndoff is worth a look. Watch his workout just in case.

Darrell Daniels (TE, Washington)
If the Seahawks want a Luke Willson replacement, Daniels could be the answer. He might have the most athletic/explosive performance among TE’s. He ran a 4.44 at the 2016 Husky combine. Could be a major riser at around 6-4 and 246lbs.

Adam Shaheen (TE, Ashland)
The current small school darling of the national media. He’s listed at 6-6 and 275lbs and being tipped to excel in drills. He’s about 8-10lbs heavier than Vance McDonald (he ran a 4.69). Anything in that region will get teams excited.

Groups 7-9 (DL, LB)

Arrival: Thursday
Measurements: Friday
Bench press: Saturday
On-field drills: Sunday

Defensive line
Quinton Jefferson, Jordan Hill and Jaye Howard all tested superbly in the short shuttle (4.37, 4.51 and 4.47 respectively). If they’re looking for a quicker, interior pass-rush option — this drill appears to be significant. The Seahawks haven’t drafted a defensive tackle with sub-33 inch arms. Dynamic quickness is a trend for EDGE players. Bruce Irvin (4.03) and Frank Clark (4.05) both ran incredible short shuttles. Cassius Marsh’s 4.25 and Obum Gwacham’s 4.28 were also really good. All of the EDGE rushers they’ve drafted also had +33 inch arms.

Key drills
Vertical, Broad, Bench, Short Shuttle, Three-cone, 10-yard split (forty)

Ideal size
6-4, 310lbs, 33 inch arms, +31 inch vertical, +9’ broad, 4.50 short shuttle

Interesting note
The Seahawks have only drafted 5 players with a +140 SPARQ score. Christine Michael (150), Kevin Pierre-Louis (149) and Bobby Wagner (147) were the only three to beat Bruce Irvin (144) and Frank Clark (142).

Some names to monitor

Daeshon Hall (DE, Texas A&M)
Seattle born with great length (34.5-inch arms) and size (6-5, 265lbs). Has the frame to add bulk and play inside/out but might have the athleticism to be a Cassius Marsh type. Pete Carroll has noted the priority needs (CB, LB, OL) so we have to find players that might be available from the end of the third round.

Carlos Watkins (DT, Clemson)
Has the arm length they’ve gone for in the past (33.5-inches). Big hands (10 3/8 inches) to go with good size (6-4, 312lbs). Unlikely to go early despite his 2016 production. The Seahawks have targeted rounds 3-5 at defensive tackle in the past and if they add a DT in this class, that could be the range again.

Carroll Phillips (DE, Illinois)
Listed as a DE and might workout with the defensive linemen at the combine. He’d likely be a SAM project if drafted by the Seahawks. Played well in space at the Senior Bowl and is the same size as Haason Reddick (237lbs).

Dalvin Tomlinson (DT, Alabama)
Physical, stout interior defender. Plays three musical instruments and excelled in multiple sports. Has a Seahawks-style backstory plus the length (33-inch arms) and size (6-3, 312lbs) Seattle likes.

Elijah Qualls (DT, Washington)
Played really well next to Vita Vea and Greg Gaines. It’ll be interesting to see how much he weighs and whether he has the necessary length. Disciplined, good cap control and a capable three-technique in a scheme like Seattle’s. Might go too early for their liking.

Linebackers
The Seahawks have drafted a collection of freakish athletes at linebacker since 2010. Kevin Pierre-Louis, Korey Toomer, Malcolm Smith and Eric Pinkins all ran between a 4.44 and a 4.51 in the forty. KPL, Smith and Pinkins all jumped +39 inches in the vertical. Bobby Wagner was a 4.4 runner at his pro-day with a 39.5-inch vertical. Of the five players they’ve drafted with a +140 SPARQ score, Wagner, KPL and Bruce Irvin are included. Speed (forty yard dash) and explosive traits (vertical, broad) appear to be a must.

Key drills
Forty yard dash, Three-cone, Vertical, Broad

Ideal size
+6-0, 230-240lbs, 4.4-4.5 forty, 6.70 three-cone, +10’ broad

Interesting note
Bobby Wagner played 99.35% of the defensive snaps in 2016 and K.J. Wright played 97.41%. How sustainable is this without burning out two core players? Pete Carroll specified in his end of season press conference they would draft for the linebacker position. It looks like a top-heavy class of linebackers.

Some names to monitor

Haason Reddick (LB, Temple)
At his junior pro-day he reportedly ran a 4.47, jumped a 10-10 in the broad and had a 36 inch vertical. He’s 6-1 and 237lbs and could be the ideal pick for Seattle at #26. He has the athletic profile, the college production (21.5 TFL’s in 2016), the gritty backstory and the potential to play SAM, MIKE or WILL.

Zach Cunningham (LB, Vanderbilt)
Long limbed. Cunningham was originally recruited to play for Alabama but they switched their attention to Auburn-commit Reuben Foster and he ended up at Vanderbilt. His playing speed is good. Lean frame so it’ll be interesting to see how explosive he is.

Tyus Bowser (LB, Houston)
Considered a freakish athlete, Bowser has a basketball background and would likely be a SAM in Seattle. He’s 6-3 and 244lbs. He only scratched the surface of his potential in college. Expect him to test well in everything and possibly garner some first round buzz.

Alex Anzalone (LB, Florida)
How athletic is he? At times at Florida he looked really quick and sudden. That showed up at the Senior Bowl too. Medical checks are important because he’s missed time. Has Clay Matthews’ hairstyle and some of his playing style too.

Note: Jarrad Davis would’ve been named on this list but he is missing the combine due to injury

Groups 10-11 (DB)

Arrival: Friday
Measurements: Saturday
Bench press: Sunday
On-field drills: Monday

Cornerback
The final day of the combine will be the most exciting. This is a loaded class at cornerback and safety. It’s possible more than 20 cornerbacks could be drafted in the first two days.

The Seahawks have drafted six cornerbacks in the Pete Carroll era. All six have +32 inch arms. So why is length so important? 100% of multiple first team All-Pro cornerbacks drafted since 1998 have +32 inch arms. You can pretty much run through the list of CB measurements on Saturday and cross off any player with sub-32 inch arms. Having never drafted a cornerback earlier than the fourth round, a prospect drafted in the first 2-3 rounds (especially at #26) by this team is probably going to need to have a truly sensational workout.

Key drills
Three-cone, Vertical, measurements (arm length)

Ideal size
+6-1, 195lbs, +32-inch arms, 4.50 forty, +35-inch vertical

Interesting note
The player Seattle stashed in 2016 (DeAndre Elliott) ran a 4.55 at 6-1 and 188lbs last year. He jumped 41-inches in the vertical. Speed is not crucial. Five of Seattle’s six drafted cornerbacks ran between a 4.47 and a 4.56 in the forty yard dash (the sixth, Walter Thurmond, was injured at his combine and didn’t run).

Some names to monitor

Howard Wilson (CB, Houston)
Wilson averaged an interception every 15 targets in college and is one of the most underrated prospects in a deep cornerback class. He’s approximately 6-1 and 190lbs with room to grow. Better in run support than most of the other CB’s in this draft. Expect a terrific workout especially in the vertical jump. If he has the 32-inch arms, he could easily be on Seattle’s radar and will probably go earlier than people think.

Kevin King (CB, Washington)
If he repeats his 2016 Husky combine performance he’ll not only run the fastest ever recorded three-cone, he could be a certainty for the first round. Recent reports have suggested he could run in the 4.4’s too. With his size (6-3, 192lbs), length and tremendous physical profile — King is a man to watch for Seattle.

Akhello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
On tape he was very impressive in coverage, doing as good a job as anyone in 2016 marking Washington’s top-20 pick John Ross. He’s listed at 6-3 and 190lbs. He needs to do a better job in run-support and his tackling form needs major work. However, he has the size and profile of a Seahawks cornerback.

Rasul Douglas (CB, West Virginia)
Great production in 2016 (eight interceptions) and has 32-inch arms. Made plays during the Senior Bowl week and there’s an X-factor to his game. Would be nice to see some traits to go with the production. A former Four-star JUCO recruit so he has athletic potential.

Quincy Wilson (CB, Florida)
Great size (6-1, 213lbs) and plays with extreme confidence. Carries himself like a pro-corner. He only ran a 4.6 and jumped 32-inches at the 2013 SPARQ combine so he’ll need to do better in Indianapolis.

Gareon Conley (CB, Ohio State)
A player who looks neat and tidy on tape so let’s see how physically good he is. Everyone expects Marshon Lattimore to have a big workout. There isn’t that much separation on tape between the two. They both played well. It helps having Malik Hooker at safety.

Fabian Moreau (CB, UCLA)
Thick lower body suggests he’ll have an explosive workout. Not as physical as you’d expect on tape but that’s a complaint for a number of CB’s in this class. Measured at 6-0 and 205lbs at the Shrine game with 31 3/4 inch arms. Let’s see if a re-measure gets him to 32-inches.

Marquez White (CB, Florida State)
White was one of only two cornerbacks at the Senior Bowl with +32-inch arms (Rasul Douglas was the other). He’s only 184lbs so could do with adding size. There’s a player to work with here but he might need time. It’d be nice to see a really fast forty yard dash given his lack of bulk.

Treston Decoud (CB, Oregon State)
Measured at 6-1 and 203lbs at the Shrine game with +33-inch arms. Let’s see how athletic he is to go with the size/length. Could be a day three option.

Safety
After hitting on Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor in 2010, Seattle hasn’t had much success drafting for the safety position. Ryan Murphy, Winston Guy and Mark LeGree have come and gone. There’s a real mix of physical profiles too. Thomas (31 1/4) and Legree (30 1/4) have short arms so the 32-inch test isn’t necessary here — but Guy had great arm length (33). Murphy ran a 4.48 at his pro-day with an impressive 39-inch vertical but Legree (4.59) and Guy (4.70) didn’t run fast times (Legree only had a 31-inch vertical too). Overall it’s hard to determine a Seahawks ‘type’ with these numbers. The only safety they’ve drafted before the end of day two (Earl) is a tremendous athlete. He ran a 4.37 at his pro-day after pulling a hamstring running the forty at the combine (while still managing an official 4.49).

Key drills
Forty yard dash, Three-cone, Vertical, Broad

Ideal size
+6-0, 200-220lbs, 4.4 forty, +39-inch vertical, +10-5 broad jump

Interesting note
Will the Seahawks look to add pure safety depth or a ‘Buffalo’/’big nickel’ to play in a 4-2-5? They’d essentially be swapping the SAM for a highly athletic DB if they did. They’ve already drifted towards this concept. Seattle’s starting SAM, Mike Morgan, only played more than 50% of the defensive snaps in one game last season (@ LA Rams). He played 20% or less of the snaps in four games. Jeremy Lane played 71% of the total 2016 defensive snaps as an orthodox nickel. A ‘Buffalo’ could conceivably take those snaps from Lane.

Some names to monitor

Justin Evans (S, Texas A&M)
Everyone will be talking about Evans this time next week. Expect a super-fast forty yard dash, potentially +40 inches in the vertical and a leading broad jump. There might not be a more explosive player attending the combine this year. He’s 6-0 and 193lbs and hits like a train. Evans can play nickel, eraser FS, Buffalo. He’d also add to the Kam Chancellor fear-factor on crossing routes. Watch him.

Shalom Luani (S, Washington State)
He has the kind of backstory that screams Seahawks. Deone Bucannon has tipped him to make the transition to ‘Buffalo’. Luani’s the best safety nobody ever talks about. Expect him to turn a few heads at the combine and run a really nice forty. It’d be good to see him excel in the vertical/broad jumps too.

Obi Melifonwu (S, Connecticut)
He’s being tipped to be one of the stars at the combine. He has the quickness and fluidity as an athlete to match-up in coverage vs dynamic TE’s and bigger WR’s. He has the size (6-4, 219lbs) and length (32.5 inch arms). He’s a sure tackler and would provide adequate run support as a ‘Buffalo’. Teams might try him at corner.

Budda Baker (S, Washington)
He’s really dynamic, physical and tough — but he’s small. Weigh-ins and measurements will be important. You want to compare him to Tyrann Mathieu but Mathieu is so unique. If the Seahawks were going to consider him at #26 as a nickel/FS hybrid he’ll likely need a really sensational workout. He ran a hand-timed 4.35 at the Husky combine last year, a 4.08 short shuttle and a 6.66 three-cone so the potential is there for a great performance.

Tedric Thompson (S, Colorado)
His brother (unbelievably named ‘Cedric’) had a superb pro-day in 2015, running a 4.48 forty, jumping 40.5 in the vertical and 10-2 in the broad. Tedric flashed incredible closing speed and range in 2016, had major production in terms of interceptions and looks like a player with a future at free safety.

John Johnson (S, Boston College)
He measured at 6-1 and 205lbs with 31.5 inch arms at the Senior Bowl. Let’s see if he can crack 32-inches on a re-measure (it happens sometimes). That could be important because he has experience playing at cornerback and he’s a great athlete. The more you can do etc.

Marcus Maye (S, Florida)
One of those players that never really stands out for his athleticism but made enough plays in college to wonder if he’s secretly got some traits. He’s 6-0 and 216lbs. Quite an underrated player but did give up some plays at Florida.

Jabrill Peppers (S, Michigan)
There’s been so much talk about what Peppers is and what he isn’t. It’ll be nice to finally get some confirmed measurables. It’ll be even better to see if he can prove some of the doubters wrong during this week.

Guest post: Kenny Sloth on cornerbacks

Sunday, February 26th, 2017

This article was written by contributor Kenny Sloth

Pete Carroll’s end of the year press conference is always a revealing time for draft fans. This season was no different with Carroll divulging his expected targets. One of those specific need areas was corner and with the gruesome and unfortunate injury to Deshawn Shead, the Seattle Seahawks cornerback room was left reeling. The team scrambled to fill the hole with career stop-gap Perrish Cox, which inspired little confidence. This safety-sized hole across from Richard Sherman has been the impetus for some fans to clamour for an early round selection at cornerback, something that has not proven to be a part of the brain trust’s modus operandi. Obviously, times change and it would be irresponsible for Seattle draft fans to not do our due diligence.

If you missed the first part of this pre-combine series on linebackers you can check it out here.

1. Tre’Davious White, LSU- I am higher on him than most but I’m a sucker for anybody rockin’ that #18 jersey for the Tigers. The way he carries himself among his teammates screams leader. He is the one holding everyone accountable on that defense. The way he storms away from plays barking at his linebackers just warms my heart. Excellent at tracking the ball in mid-air. Just a natural talent at the position. Best fit is a Cover 2 scheme and he has experience shadowing the oppositions number one. Excellent press technique.

2. Sidney Jones IV, Washington- Enthusiastic run defender, Jones pairs excellent length with fluidity. He’s got room to add weight to his frame (and absolutely needs to) in order to have functional strength at the next level. Despite his willingness to crash downfield and converge on the ballcarrier, he seems to be afraid of getting hurt — likely due to a slender frame. He has a very high ceiling and lockdown potential.

3. Marlon Humphrey, Alabama- He might be primarily an off-coverage corner at the next level but his press technique can be improved. Humphrey could certainly benefit from a switch to safety similar to the move Byron Jones made with the Cowboys. If a team is confident using him in a similar way, Humphrey is a terrific athlete that can have an impact at the next level. Faked out far too easily at the cornerback spot. Really benefits from a solid cushion against all types of receivers. If I had to comp him, Devin McCourty is a very favourable likening. Very thick bodied, durable.

4. Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State- Decent length and incredibly fluid hips. The comparison gets thrown around but he reminds me so much of Darrell Revis. Chippy on the field, Lattimore displays confidence in the way he moves and controls receivers. Don’t even look his way. Suffocating coverage. Run defense leaves a lot to be desired from the redshirt sophomore. Very weak bump and run coverage and will get called for plenty of fouls, at least as a rookie. Beautiful man coverage and QB baiting. I believe his age relative to teammate Gareon Conley’s factored into his Ohio State coaches’ decision to play him on the right side of the field at CB2.

5. Marquez White, Florida State- Not sure why there is zero buzz around this player but he is one of the least targeted defenders in the country and the season before last in his first year of starting he allowed completions on fewer than 1/3 of his targets. He’s just about the most physical corner available this year. He puts WRs on their buttocks. He’s played basketball for Florida State and just looks like an alpha out there. Very grabby, the type of player that’s always checking to see if he got flagged. Makes me nostalgic for Brandon Browner. Allowed just over 200 yards TOTAL in two years of starting for FSU. A humble and engaging personality, his journey screams Seahawks.

6. Adoree’ Jackson, USC- Jackson exhibits excellent change of direction and wide receiver like ability to track the ball in the air. Tough, if not a particularly physical player, he never gives up on a play and has nice long speed. Decent press technique despite lacking arm length to my eye and some of the best footwork in the class. His ability with the ball in his hands will be a huge plus for some teams.

7. Teez Tabor, Florida- Uses his press to control opponents. Excellent recognition of route combinations and takes advantage of this knowledge. He’s fun to watch and can cover in the end zone. Very high level ball skills, Teez consistently punches and swats the football well.

8. Kevin King, Washington- Clearly King is the best athlete on the field. He has the strength to dominate a receiver at the line of scrimmage and the agility to stay with his man across the field. You want to see him break more decisively on the ball and rip it away more aggressively. Adding weight could behoove him greatly, as is the case with many of the corners in this draft, although perhaps not as profoundly so with King. His press technique leaves a lot to be desired but the athletic package has me drooling the same as everybody else.

9. Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado- A decent athlete, his physicality is an asset. Plays downhill and reads the offense incredibly well. Has an insane pre-cognizance for developing plays. Very chippy and vocal. He wants to compete. Awuzie has experience at both corner spots and on the inside.

10. Fabian Moreau, UCLA- Very fluid hips on a solid frame, Moreau shouldn’t leave the second round. Strong hands with long arms to control his receiver. Plays through the receiver and is aggressive in run support.

11. Desmond King, Iowa- Thick, well-built for a corner. Very intelligent — you can tell when he recognizes a play pre-snap. Superb agility, balance, and vision on returns. Chippy player, not afraid to swat a facemask. Arm length looks to be a disqualifying factor for Seattle.

12. Howard Wilson, Houston- Great athlete, Wilson crashes hard on the run and isn’t afraid to lay a big hit. Really sloppy off coverage, when he doesn’t have a target he wastes a lot of steps and takes himself out of position. One of the hardest hitters at corner in this draft.

13. Cameron Sutton, Tennessee- Physical beyond his size, overaggressive and that can hurt his play. Flashes next level recovery speed but has to use it too much. Unfortunately, Sutton’s going to have some intense growing pains at least into his rookie year.

14. Corn Elder, Miami- Doesn’t blow you away with either size or athleticism but is chippy and scheme responsible. Corn is real mean son of a gun, too. He’s a special teams ace for Miami and a leader on the defense. Elder is the cream of the crop Miami’s secondary. He’s the kind that’s liable to pop a WR. He will hit you in the ear. Seriously, an a-maize-ing cornerback. A class act, he’s no flake. . . . His name is ‘Corn’.

15. Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson- A sticky man coverage corner, Tankersley could be an option for Seattle. He plays with great patience and stays with his man. Always has a hand in the bread basket but is not the most efficient dislodger of the ball. Just like many corners in this class, the slender Tankersley can be soundly muscled off the redline and the catch point.

16. Rasul Douglas, West Virginia- Douglas is a very large corner, good feet and fluid hips. He may not test well in the 40 but we’ve seen Seattle generally overlook that. Will give up on backside pursuit and despite his size, lacks a lot of physicality. The best tomahawk chop in this CB class, Douglas has a nose for the ball. Almost caught Dede Westbrook on the ground but instead gave up a touchdown on the screen. He’s got some really up and down tape.

17. Jourdan Lewis, Michigan- An excellent slot corner, his incredibly slender build should limit him to this role at the next level. His physicality is impressive against larger receivers. Gets put on skates by blockers but won’t give up on a play. He was played at safety occasionally to no great success.

18. Quincy Wilson, Florida- Non-factor in run defense. Stays in receiver’s hip pocket deep downfield. Hand fighting is above average in this class. Looks to be a little under-athletic for the next level. While not a death sentence, he will need to continue to improve his technique in order to be a contributor.

19. Gareon Conley, Ohio State- Slightly smaller than his counterpart, Conley played some slot for OSU to great success. Has trouble with larger wide receivers and lacks scheme versatility despite his inside out versatility. Don’t draft him expecting a boomer in run support.

20. Ahkello Witherspoon, Colordao- Not sure that he did as well against John Ross as Rob saw on tape. There were a lot of very poor throws by Browning in that game, including a wide open touchdown directly against Witherspoon. Obviously, Ross is one of the most natural speed WRs to enter the draft in some time and Colorado heavily shaded their coverage to bracket him. Witherspoon can be boxed out due to a slender frame and is not a willing run stuffer. I don’t believe he is his listed 6’3 height. But that’s why we have the combine, right?

21. Channing Stribling, Michigan- Longer and stronger than his secondary counterpart, Stribling is usually allowed to play on an island on the left side of the field. He’s not the most spectacular athlete and loses track of the ball badly. He has some tools but is not a naturally fluid athlete and seems an impatient defender. His breaks leave a lot to be desired. He seems content with letting the receiver catch everything and touching them down.

The one player I want to talk about so bad but I can’t get enough tape to say I have a full evaluation of is Middle Tennessee State’s Jeremy Cutrer. He had an otherworldly performance against Alabama in 2015, including a still-impressive 80 yard interception in garbage time in which he perfectly baited the QB of an elite program — known for emphasizing ball security at the position.

He’s every bit of 6’3 and just flies around very confidently. Would also like to give Treston DeCoud from Oregon State a mention as blog regular Volume12 has been a fan since last year. I also only watched a single video of his but it was apparent from his length, strength, and tenacity, that he should not be discounted as a target.

Now, obviously, there are many more corners available and many more that will end up on our radar after the combine. Whether we add a corner in the first or third, if we select three of them or zero, we know that this draft class is particularly loaded at the position and the team would do well to reload on outside corner depth following a year of roster shakeup at the position.

Player I missed (there’s plenty)? Player I mistook (probably several)? Someone you just can’t say enough about, or want for the Seahawks? Share your thoughts below.

Breaking: Seahawks get two extra third round picks

Friday, February 24th, 2017

Before we get onto the big news today, I recorded a podcast with the UK Seahawkers this week. You can listen below. We get into a ton of combine related subjects. It starts five minutes into the piece:

I also wrote a Seahawks combine guide for Field Gulls which you can read here. I’ll be doing a combine preview on here early next week plus we’ll have the usual live blogs from Friday to Monday. If you have any requests or ideas for the combine coverage this year let me know in the comments section.

Onto the compensatory picks…

There was an expectation that Seattle was going to get a third rounder for Bruce Irvin and a fifth rounder for J.R. Sweezy. Russell Okung’s contract, having been voided by Denver, wouldn’t result in any extra picks due to the signing of J’Marcus Webb. The Bradley Sowell addition would also count out any extra picks for Brandon Mebane.

Luckily for the Seahawks, the NFL had other ideas.

It now means the Sweezy and Mebane deals are cancelled out by Webb and Sowell. Okung’s contract in Denver gives the Seahawks another third rounder.

They’ll pick five teams in the first 106 picks — 26, 58, 90, 102 and 106.

Adding to the intrigue, comp picks are tradable for the first time this year. So the Seahawks can move up or down using #102 and #106.

For example, using the NFL trade chart Seattle could move up from #58 to #49 using the #106 pick if they wanted. Securing two of the top-50 players in this draft class would be a major plus.

And if you deal #106, you’d still have two picks in round three to come.

Even if there isn’t any movement, the Seahawks have gone from possibly losing their second round pick a few weeks ago to now picking five times in the first two days of a loaded draft.

This is a major opportunity to reload for another tilt in 2017.

What’s more, with no major free agents hitting the market this year — the Seahawks are unlikely to miss out on a similar compensatory haul next year if they want to make a big move or two in free agency.