I’m going to be taking a break after this post. It’s been a long draft process and I need to spend some quality time with my wife and son. If anything major breaks involving the Seahawks (eg a Russell Wilson contract extension) I’ll put up a blog. However, things are going to start winding down for the 2015 draft.
I want to thank everyone who continues to make this place more a community than a blog. I also want to remind everyone that we cover the draft (and the Seahawks in general) right through training camp and then into the college season. If you’ve enjoyed the last few weeks, come try the blog from August onwards when we really start to discuss players for the first time.
“I’m told the Seattle Seahawks would love to grab Dorial Green-Beckham if he’s available at the 63rd selection but they expect the receiver to be off the board during the initial fifteen picks of round two.”
We’ve been discussing the possibility of Seattle moving up for Green-Beckham for a few weeks. Now we know there’s at least some interest there. I contacted Tony to get a little more meat on the bones. You can hear our conversation below:
So there we go. Green-Beckham probably isn’t going to last beyond the first 15 picks of the second round. The New York Jets at #37 and the San Francisco 49ers at #46 could be a couple of teams to watch here. There are others. The Seahawks would have to make quite a jump to have any shot at landing DGB.
Will they move up? Just yesterday John Schneider noted he has a lot of flexibility because the Seahawks have 11 picks in the draft. Last year the Philadelphia Eagles moved up 12 spots in round two to select Jordan Matthews for the cost of a fourth round pick. Seattle can make a similar move to get into the early 50’s. The question is — what else would they need to concede to move up a little further?
….there are general managers and personnel directors in the National Football League who claim Oklahoma’s Dorial Green-Beckham has the talent to become the finest in another stacked class of wide receivers if he can overcome his complex behavioral issues.
“He has the outstanding athletic package,” an AFC personnel man said. “He may even be better than Cooper. Extremely talented.”
That’s a minority viewpoint among scouts, to be sure, but the AFC man isn’t alone.
“Hard to cover downfield,” said an another AFC scout. “Almost impossible to cover with a little corner. Super talented. He’s a No. 1 for a team if he can control his demons.”
That’s gushing praise even if it is a minority viewpoint as McGinn describes it.
“At Oklahoma they vouch for the kid,” one scout said. “They loved the kid. His pro day was at Oklahoma (March 11), which kind of tells you what they thought of him. His receivers coach (Jay Norvell) was fired, and that was a big reason he decided to come out.
It’s not insignificant that despite leaving Oklahoma without playing a single snap, DGB was invited to participate at the Sooners pro-day and was given 100% backing by the Head Coach Bob Stoops.
Earlier this month, Green-Beckham and his girlfriend went to dinner with officials from a team they were visiting.
“You leave liking him,” one executive said after eating with Green-Beckham. “From a personality standpoint, pretty good. There’s some light behind the eyes. They’re about to have a baby….Seems to be maybe maturing.”
It’s not all positive though:
“If somebody wants him in the second round, go ahead,” said one scout. “I used to draft these kind of guys.”
In a separate article by McGinn yesterday, he ranked Green-Beckham as the #7 receiver in the class. One scout compared him to Josh Gordon — talented, dynamic but ultimately a headache waiting to happen.
There are going to be teams who’ve already taken him off their board. There are going to be teams who are prepared to take him — but only at a certain point in the draft. That’s probably within the first 15 picks of round two as Pauline discussed. The Seahawks love field-tilting ability and DGB has it in spades. They’re also willing to take a chance. It’s going to be very difficult though to move into the top-45 without a serious trade involving multiple picks.
If they can’t move up for DGB, what do they do? They still have the option of trading up for another player. Detroit are light on picks — they have picks in rounds 1-3 and then nothing until round six. They are probably looking to acquire a fourth or fifth rounder and they can do that by moving down from #54. This could be a target range for the Seahawks.
If they stay at #63 all signs point to taking the top offensive lineman left on their board. I suspect they’d be very interested in moving up for the right player. But who — if it isn’t Dorial Green-Beckham?
Don’t forget to check out DraftInsider.net for all the latest information from Tony Pauline — one of he best in the business.
You can hear the interview via AudioBoom above. Here’s a brief synopsis of what we discussed:
— Tony thinks the addition of Jimmy Graham will be a positive move for the Seahawks — he’s not quite as complimentary about the move from a New Orleans standpoint.
— The Seahawks are interested in Ty Sambrailo but he hasn’t had a good off-season so far. He was unimpressive at the Senior Bowl and combine. He had a chance to go in the late first round but now could provide “excellent value” in the late second. Tony doesn’t believe he’ll be on the board in the late third round.
— Ali Marpet has done “a tremendous job” over the last few weeks boosting his draft stock. Originally considered a priority UDFA, he could now go in the second or third round. Tony believes he can play either guard spot, right tackle or center. That will appeal to Seattle.
— When asked to name alternative center prospects the Seahawks might target, Tony suggests Oregon’s Hronnis Grasu in the third round, Andy Gallik in the third or fourth round range or Max Garcia as a later round option.
— What about Dorial Green-Beckham? It wouldn’t be a shock if he goes in the first round or the third round. Tony says he “wouldn’t touch him in the top-50 picks”. He expects a rush on receivers in round one and that could impact DGB’s stock. It’s not out of the question he’s still on the board late in round two.
— Kansas State’s Tyler Lockett could be a second round option for the Seahawks (something we’ve discussed a lot, along with Sambrailo). He’s a productive kick returner and as Tony explains, he’d offer a needed downfield threat to the offense.
— Zach Hodges has not left a positive impression on teams this off-season. Tony says he’s come across as “aloof” and questions have been asked about his love for the game.
Today I joined Kenneth Arthur and Danny Kelly on the ‘Real in the Field (Gulls)’ Podcast. We talk draft and free agency — including thoughts on the combine, who the Seahawks might target and how to solve various holes on the roster (including cornerback and kick returner). We also touch on a topic I’m going to write about tomorrow — a 2011 trade that would’ve been very appealing to John Schneider.
Jake Fisher (T, Oregon) — 6-6, 306lbs, 33 3/4 inch arms
Ereck Flowers (T, Miami) — 6-6, 329lbs, 34 1/2 inch arms
Cameron Erving (T, G, C, Florida State) — 6-5, 313lbs, 34 1/8 inch arms
Cedric Ogbuehi (T, Texas A&M) — 6-5, 306lbs, 35 7/8 inch arms
Andrus Peat (T, Stanford) — 6-7, 313lbs, 34 3/8 inch arms
La’el Collins (T/G, LSU) — 6-4, 305lbs, 33 /14 inch arms
Jeremiah Poutasi (T/G, Utah) — 6-5, 335lbs, 33 7/8 inch arms
D.J. Humphries (T, Florida) — 6-5, 307lbs, 33 5/8 inch arms
T.J. Clemmings (T, Pittsburgh) — 6-5, 309lbs, 35 1/8 inch arms
Rob Crisp (T, NC State) — 6-6, 301lbs, 34 1/2 inch arms
Terry Poole (T, San Diego State) — 6-5, 307lbs, 33 1/4 inch arms
Corey Robinson (T, South Carolina) — 6-7, 324lbs, 35 5/8 inch arms
Ty Sambrailo (T/G, Colorado State) — 6-6, 311lbs, 33 inch arms
Brandon Scherff (T/G, Iowa) — 6-5, 319lbs, 33 3/8 inch arms
Donovan Smith (T, Penn State) — 6-6, 338lbs, 34 3/8 inch arms
Tyrus Thompson (T, Oklahoma) — 6-5, 324lbs, 34 7/8 inch arms
Daryl Williams (T, Oklahoma) — 6-5, 327lbs, 35 inch arms
Some comparisons from last year:
Taylor Lewan — 6-7, 309lbs, 33 7/8 inch arms
Joel Bitonio — 6-4, 302lbs, 33 7/8 inch arms
Justin Britt — 6-5, 325lbs, 33 1/2 inch arms
Zack Martin — 6-4, 308lbs, 32 7/8 inch arms
Jake Matthews — 6-5, 308lbs, 33 3/8 inch arms
Greg Robinson — 6-5, 332lbs, 35 inch arms
Some thoughts on the numbers here:
— Cedric Ogbuehi, Corey Robinson and Daryl Williams have incredible size. Someone will get a nice player in Robinson later on. Ogbuehi is recovering from a torn ACL after a disappointing 2014 season.
— Ty Sambrailo is a T-Rex — 6-6 and 33 inch arms. It’s hard to imagine he’ll play tackle at the next level and should kick inside to guard, although it’s worth noting Justin Britt has 33 1/2 inch arms and the Seahawks were comfortable playing him at right tackle.
— D.J. Humphries has cracked the 300lbs mark — if he moves well in drills he’ll continue to bolster his stock. I skimmed two Florida games on Monday and came away impressed.
— Brandon Scherff has almost identical size to Riley Reiff and Robert Gallery. And like that pair — his future is almost certainly at guard or right tackle.
— Rob Crisp has good size — he’s a later round sleeper to keep an eye on. He did a great job against Vic Beasley in 2014.
— Jeremiah Poutasi has been compared to Mike Iupati. You’ve got to like his size working inside at 335lbs and 33 7/8 inch arms.
— Ereck Flowers looks the part at 6-6, 329lbs and 34 1/2 inch arms. Andrus Peat was as tall as advertised at 6-7 and has 34 3/8 inch arms.
— Is Donovan Smith too big at 338bs?
Minnesota tight end Maxx Williams will be meeting with the Seahawks at the combine:
Minnesota's Maxx Williams, regarded by many as the top TE on the board, said Seahawks are one of the 21 teams he will meet with at Combine.
E.J. Bibbs (Iowa State) — 6-2, 258lbs, 31 1/8 inch arms, 10 1/4 inch hands
Nick Boyle (Delaware) — 6-4, 268lbs, 33 3/8 inch arms, 10 3/8 inch hands
Jeff Heuerman (Ohio State) — 6-5, 254lbs, 33 1/4 inch arms, 10 1/8 inch hands
Jesse James (Penn State) — 6-7, 261lbs, 33 inch arms, 9 3/8 inch hands
Ben Koyack (Notre Dame) — 6-5, 255lbs, 32 5/8 inch arms, 10 3/4 inch hands
Tyler Kroft (Rutgers) — 6-6, 246lbs, 33 inch arms, 9 5/8 inch hands
Nick O’Leary (Florida State) — 6-3, 252lbs, 29 3/4 inch arms, 9 3/8 inch hands
Wes Saxton (South Alabama) — 6-3, 248lbs, 32 inch arms, 9 5/8 inch hands
Jean Sifrin (UMass) — 6-5, 245lbs, 33 3/8 inch arms, 11 inch hands
Clive Walford (Miami) — 6-4, 251lbs, 34 inch arms, 10 1/4 inch hands
Maxx Williams (Minnesota) — 6-4, 249lbs, 33 1/2 inch arms, 10 3/8 inch hands
— Jean Sifrin is a basketball-style talent with massive 11-inch hands. One thing to remember though — he’s already 27. Meaning he’s two years older than Rob Gronkowski.
— Maxx Williams matches his listed size by Minnesota. He has decent length and huge hands. He doesn’t drop passes on tape. Very consistent catcher. Only one receiver in the 2014 draft had hands as big as Williams — Jordan Matthews. Mike Evans’ hands are 9 5/8 inches. This is a major positive for Williams.
— Jesse James is 6-7, but has shorter arms than Maxx Williams and only 9 3/8 inch hands.
— Devin Funchess was originally listed to work out as a tight end. He didn’t measure today or take interviews. Presumably we’ll see him with the receivers after all.
Yesterday we debated Melvin Gordon’s stock. If you need convincing over his willingness and ability to run up the middle, get the tough yards, patiently set up blocks, exploit small holes to make big gains, push the pile for extra yards, produce in the red zone and be a chunk-yard specialist — here’s the tape vs Auburn:
I had the chance to speak with Kevin Williams (Vikings), Ramon Foster (Steelers) and Donte Whitner (49ers) earlier today. Most of the piece was about the London games this year, but I had a chance to ask a few topical questions too. I’ve cut them up in the audio above.
Best line? Probably Kevin Williams on the Percy Harvin trade: “Initially you’re like, ‘What in the world are they doing?'”
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