College Football Saturday: Open thread

October 3rd, 2015 | Written by Rob Staton

Watching a game? Watching a prospect? Anyone stand out? Or do you just want to talk about the PAC-12?

Whatever you want to discuss, here’s your thread.

167 Responses to “College Football Saturday: Open thread”

  1. Volume12 says:

    Rob, is it just me or are teams going to reach on a guy like Josh Doctson due to a poor WR class this year?

    • bigDhawk says:

      Define ‘reach’. Top 20? First round? Top 50? If he’s there in the second round for the Hawks I’d love him. He’s a hands catcher that fights for the ball in the air and runs solid, sharp routes, 6-4ish, 200#, what’s not to love?

  2. Ed says:

    I like Doctson. He high points the ball and is fantastic at adjusting his body to make the catch. What don’t you like about him? Boykin has touch and a strong arm too.

    • Volume12 says:

      He doesn’t do anything great or special. High-pointing is not a unique trait and he should do it well considering his height/length. He comes from a high volume passing attack. Plays garbage defenses. It’s not that I don’t like him, I think his numbers are inflated due to the scheme he plays in.

      Boykin is not an NFL QB.

      • CHawk Talker Eric says:

        He has some nice catches today. His numbers may be inflated, but you can see he has skills.

      • Volume12 says:

        Boykin’s acuracy and decision making are subpar leading to erratic play. There’s no denying his athleticism and playmaking, but he’s a developmental QB at the next level, and the majority of NFL teams nowadays aren’t developing backups or selecting them. And why would they? QB play in CFB is awful just like O-lineman and safeties.

        Go the UDFA route for a backup QB.

      • cover-2 says:

        Volume 12, I think a WR that can consistently high-point a ball is a unique trait. To high-point the ball, it takes more than just height/length…the WR has to have the body control, timing of his jump, strong hands, and hand eye coordination to catch a ball with a CB trying to break up the pass.

        I have seen plenty of tall WR, not only in college but in the NFL as well, that cannot consistently high-point the ball.

        • Volume12 says:

          High-pointing the ball should be a required trait in every WR.

          • AlaskaHawk says:

            I like receivers with good hands. One indication of that is if they make a one handed catch in their college days.

          • cover-2 says:

            Volume12, true but not all or even most WR are good at consistently doing it.

        • Volume12 says:

          Golden Tate’s abilty to high-point was unique. Corey Coleman of Baylor is along those lines as well.

          • Volume12 says:

            Randy Moss and Dez Bryant’s ability to high-point was unique as well. High-pointing isn’t unique, but how a WR goes about it is if that makes sense.

          • cover-2 says:

            I agree that Tate’s ability to high-point the ball was unique, and I think Doctson’s ability to high-point the ball is also unique. Which is why I brought it up…don’t be so dismissive of other people thoughts on prospects.

            • Volume12 says:

              Wasn’t trying to be dismissive. I apologize if it came across that way. We disagree about Doctson, no big deal, and I was just trying to explain why I felt that way.

          • Matt says:

            Coleman has the look of a 1st. That speed is without question. His running mate Cannon makes his fair share of plays too.

            • Volume12 says:

              Coleman is the best receiver in the country no one is talking about. He has a reported 45 in” vettical!

              Zach Whitman has about as big of a crush on this guy as he does Sokoli. Says he’ll contend for the highest SPARQ score at the combine if/when he comes out.

      • bigDhawk says:

        Not breaking any news here, but most offensive players come from spread systems and play against crappy defensive opponents. If you’re going to downgrade him for that then you might as well not draft anyone. Getting past the scheme in which he plays, he passes the eye test and checks all the boxes. He has the physical skills that will translate to the NFL. Again, my comp for him is a more polished, higher-football-IQ version of Dontae Moncrief. That aint bad.

    • CHawk Talker Eric says:

      Can’t speak for V12, and don’t need to, but IMO Doctson is a solid R2 prospect. But with a dearth of top WR prospects this year, a WR needy team might reach and take him in the last half of R1.

      • Volume12 says:

        That was my point. He’s a nice receiver that has some skills, but he’s not a 1st round talent. 3rd-4th yes, and maybe 2nd. But teams will reach on him due to the poor WR class.

        • Volume12 says:

          I actually like Cal WR Kenny Lawler more than Doctson.

          There’s Cincy WR Mekale McKay, Lawler, Virginia WR Canaan Severin, Tulsa WR Keyarris Garrett, UMASS WR Taj Sharpe to name a few that are all big, long receivers and could be had at half the price.

          • Volume12 says:

            The Seahawks have scouted 2 Cal games this year. Impossible to say who they’re checking out, but IMO it’s one of their WRs or O-lineman Jordan Rigsbee.

            Cal WR Trevor Davis is on my radar too. 6’2, 185 lbs, speed freak, chunk play specialist, STs standout, has freakishly long arms and gigantic hands. He’s kind of a mix of P-rich and Kearse. Not sure he’ll get drafted, but he’d make a typical Seattle UDFA receiver that ends up on the squad and producing.

            • CHawk Talker Eric says:

              SEA seems to have an affinity for CAL prospects.

              • CharlietheUnicorn says:

                Jordan Rigsbee, G, California Height: 6-4. Weight: 300. Fits a ZBS at LG. (high round)
                Hardy Nickerson, ILB, California Height: 6-2. Weight: 250. (mid round)

        • CHawk Talker Eric says:

          Hey maybe Grigson will take him. IND could use yet another WR in R1.

  3. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Hey V12 didn’t you list Jordan Howard among your favorite RBs this year?

  4. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    I’m looking forward to seeing more of Kenny Clark tonight. I know he’s probably out of SEA’s reach, but his play reminds me of Mebane from 2013 and pre-injury 2014.

    • Volume12 says:

      I don’t think he is. He’s probably a late 1st, early 2nd rounder.

      I know what ya mean though.

    • RealRhino2 says:

      I don’t get Clark at all. From what I saw he should be off our board, not out of our reach. I watched him every play for a series when ASU drove down for a FG, didn’t see him do one good thing. His stance is so low that he seemed to have no get-off at all. Like trying to come up from a deep squat. Then he just kind of punched into his man and stayed there. He was occupying blockers, I guess, if you think that’s worth R2.

  5. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Indiana just held Ohio St to a scoreless 1st qtr. Pretty much outplayed them in all phases.

    They lead 3-0.

  6. Volume12 says:

    Wisconsin OLB Joe Schobert looks like a nice late round-UDFA type of cat. Brock Huard was gushing about him all game.

    He’s a good pass rusher, great run defender, can mix speed and power in his rushes, high football IQ, always around the ball, no wasted steps or movement. Not sure what kind of athlete or speed he has though. But he was an all-state track and field athlete and there’s some impressive clips of him online throwing down dunks.

    He’s got 9 QB sacks, 13.5 TFL, and 4 FF in 5 games to go along with 39 tackles. 6’1-6’2, 236 lbs.

    • JimQ says:

      Schobert seems to be leading FBS sack race right now. Not sure “late round/UDFA” will apply by seasons end.

      Has anyone watched much of this guy? Seems like a cross between a “bam-bam” type and an “ET” type to me but I’m easily swayed by high TFL and FF #’s in particular.
      Jeremy Cash, S, Duke, 6-2, 210.
      2013: 4-Int, 121-tackles, 9.5-TFL, 4-PBU, 2-QB hurries & 2-FF
      2014: 2-Int, 111-tackles, 10.5-TFL, 5.5-Sacks, 7-PBU, 5-QB hurries & 4-FF
      so far this year in first 5 games……
      2015: 42-tackles, 9.5-TFL. 1.5-Sacks, 2-PBU, 7-QB hurries, & 3-FF
      http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/player/193/1040921/index.html

  7. manthony says:

    Easy E is carrying the buckeyes today

  8. Volume12 says:

    Love this Alabama defense. DTs A’Shawn Robinson, Jarran Reed and Johnathan Allen, OLB Ryan Anderson, DB Eddie Jackson. All studs.

    Seattle was at ‘Bama’s training camp this summer too.

    • Matt says:

      I like Ragland on that Bama D a lot too. He’s got the type of versatility that we covet. Striker from Oklahoma is an explosive looking edge rusher who has some cover skills to boot.

      • Volume12 says:

        I like Striker. Think he’s a safety at the next level. One of my favorite prosoects in this class.

        Ragland is probably the best MLB in the country. IDK if he’s got enough speed to play outside. It’s so hard to judge LBs speed.

        • Matt says:

          Striker a safety? Stoops has him lining up all over the place. He’s definitely a great looking athlete! I was envisioning him as a replacement for Irvin for us.

  9. bigDhawk says:

    Ole Miss @ Florida. There’s some prospects to watch in this one.

    • Volume12 says:

      Absolutely. Florida DL Johnathan Bullard is a stud. One of my favorite prospects.

      • Volume12 says:

        RB Alex Collins of Arkansas is on ESPN2.

      • bigDhawk says:

        RS Sr Florida TE Jake McGee Is having a nice start. We really need a Zach Miller 2.0-type TE that is both a solid, savvy blocker and receiver, if not explosive in terms of SPARQ.

        • Volume12 says:

          I agree. McGee does look pretty good. He was good at Virginia too, but injuries have held him back. However, injuries don’t seem to scare Seattle off.

          There’s quite a few TEs this year that you described and they should all be availabe later on day 3.

  10. CharlietheUnicorn says:

    Ezekiel Elliot looks good, but I think he would fit a 1 cut / power running game better than a ZBS. He may not be a very good fit for the Seahawks, shucks.

  11. Steele says:

    You guys and Rob have gotten me watching the top RBs.

    Regarding the Fournette hype train, okay, it isn’t that I completely dislike Fournette. I just think he has been annointed too much, the “next AP” since high school. It is the “next AP” thing that bothers me, because 1. they have different styles, 2. AP was/is better. This is not to say Fournette isn’t good.

    Now today, a bunch of the other top backs, guys I like as much if not more than Fournette, had great games. Zeke Elliott, Nick Chubb, Samaje Perine, Derrick Henry. Dalvin Cook, the next notch down, had a huge run then got hurt.

    RBs. Most of the top 30 would all make fine NFL contributors. I am mainly interested in the few truly exceptional ones.

    • bigDhawk says:

      The truly exceptional ones we won’t have a shot at drafting, unfortunately…

      Hey, it’s deja vu all over again.

      • Volume12 says:

        Arkansas RB Alex Collins had a huge game again. 24, 146, 2 TDs. Him and Devontae Booker are my 2 favorite eligible backs. Both are perfect for a ZBS, their both just tough, physical between the tackles types, both have elite cutback ability, and are one cut, stick their lead foot in the ground and go backs. Gritty runners.

        • bigDhawk says:

          I’ve been watching Collins since last season. He is an exciting player and I like him. He makes defenders miss but doesn’t run over them, and I found it interesting that’s what PC recently said was what made Rawls his favorite back in the draft – his desire to seek contact and run over defenders. Rawls and Collins would make a dynamic post-Lynch RB combo. I wonder if PC would agree. Collins is probably an early second round pick and out of reach for us – to early to take late in the first and gone by late in the second. I’ll have to look more at Booker.

          • Volume12 says:

            I could see that, and this is just me, but I think after ‘Zeke and Derrick Henry, the RBs will start coming off the board in the late 2nd round. Round 2 is the sweet spot for RBs this year.

            That’s what PC wants in his backs, what you just described in Rawls. Guys that want to punish a defense and wear them down over time.

            • bigDhawk says:

              The RB position is enjoying a bit of a renaissance in the NFL, and Collins is too good a player for teams like JAX and Oakland that lack a play-maker at the position to pass on early in the second. Heck, I could even see a team like Denver reaching for him late in the first. Worst case, he won’t make it past the mid-second round pick of Dallas and Razorback homer, Jerruh. Stranger things have happened, though, and if he is there for us at the end of the second I’d be interested. If we spend a late first on him with good offensive linemen still on the board I will not be happy.

              • Volume12 says:

                Yeah, Oline almost has to be the pick at this point with our first overall selection. Seattle always drafts for needs with their first couple picks. I see OL and RB as our 1st and 2nd pick. Followed by a DT.

        • CharlietheUnicorn says:

          Booker is not even getting 5 yards a carry, that is concerning

          • Volume12 says:

            Not really. 90% of NFL backs don’t average 5 YPC. He gets the ball over 20 times a game. People said the same thing about Mike Davis and Seattle liked him too. Your looking for skill sets that transition to the next level.

        • icb says:

          I agree.

          Really like booker. Very complete back in my opinion.

          Also riding high on Indiana rbs. Obviously Howard, but I was impressed with their backup. Redding?? don’t know anything about him. Ran tough, feet moving. Liked what I saw.

          • Volume12 says:

            IDK anything about him either, but he was impressive. Once Jordan Howard went down and Sudfield went down, Indiana was doomed.

            One reason why I love Booker so much is his pass catching ability. One of the more complete backs in CFB. Your spot on there.

            Another thing to keep in mind. Booker accounts for 42% of Utah’s total offense. That’s something that stands out to Seattle. P-Rich was like 38% and Tyler ‘no E’ Lockett was pretty much the same at 35-36%.

  12. bigDhawk says:

    Been flipping between Ole Miss/Florida and Notre Dame/Clemson. One player that has stood out when watching Clemson on defense is Jayron Kearse, S, Jr, 6-5, 220. He looks a lot like Kam and has a couple bone jarring hits that I’ve seen. He looks like he could fill out and add a few pounds on an already athletic looking frame. He and TJ Green, Jr, 6-3, 205 make quite a safety combo for Clemson. I’ll be interested if either declare.

    • Volume12 says:

      LOL. Kearse is a freak. Javon’s nephew.

      I like that Elijah Shumate kid from ND. Lots of potential.

      • CHawk Talker Eric says:

        Been sayin for a while. I think he’s one of the top safeties in CFB

        • Volume12 says:

          Shumate? He’s not overly consistent, but those flashes are legit. He has some great length, a nose for the ball, and his potential is through the roof. Is this the guy Seattle likes from ND?

          Yes, hats off to you sir. You did say that a few weeks ago, if we’re talking about Elijah.

  13. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Kenny Clark is taking over this game

    • bigDhawk says:

      I missed it. Flipped over to this game after your comment and Clark was invisible, punctuated by a bizarre scrum TD run right over Clark to ice it for AZ State.

      • CHawk Talker Eric says:

        They were trying to strip the ball, not tackle him. Clark wasn’t even in on the play – it went to the right.

        Yeah there were 2 or 3 defensive series where he just exploded. Not enough for UCLA to win.

    • Volume12 says:

      Yeah he’s a beast. Every prospect is going to have a bad series or a bad game. His potential is sky high.

      Regarding Jordan Rigsbee from Cal, I wonder if he would make a better C prospect in the pros.

      • CharlietheUnicorn says:

        one report said he projects to LG in ZBS scheme in NFL

        • Volume12 says:

          He’d make for a small LG in Seattle’s scheme. Every LG they’ve had was at least 315 lbs.

          • CharlietheUnicorn says:

            he is shade over 300 right now, so I could see him settle in around 315-320 lbs in NFL conditioning program

            • CharlietheUnicorn says:

              and with Seattle scouts flocking to CAL games, who else they going to watch.. GOFF? ๐Ÿ˜‰

              • Volume12 says:

                LOL. Right? I actually think it’s one of their receivers. Kenny Lawler is a stud. And they all seem pretty SPARQy. It’s entirely plausibe that it is Jordan Rigsbee.

                I just don’t see LG as a huge need. Britt, Poole, Glo, and Sokoli. If your going to beef someone up why not someone who will have been in the system a year? OT and C are the weak links on our O-line.

    • bigDhawk says:

      Just finished watching the Clark video vs Utah. He definitely flashes play-making ability at times, but is inconsistent. At times he comes off blocks beautifully to stop the run, and other times stays engaged on a block and lets the RB go right by. He also gets pushed backward a lot. One thing I loved about Malcom Brown video from last draft was on every play he’s always going forward into the backfield – never backward. I don’t see a beast from the Utah tape, but Clark could be a solid rotational player similar to Clinton McDonald. He is not a Brandon Mebane replacement.

      • Volume12 says:

        That Arizona game from last week shows a dominating DT. He’s much improved from last year to this year. He might not be a Mebane replacement or even a Seahawk target, but dude is absolutely a top 100 srlection.

      • CHawk Talker Eric says:

        Just cruisin through my TL and the twitterverse and found some love for Kenny Clark:

        CS Football
        @PigskinParadigm
        Kenny Clark has taken over this game from the interior. Even JJ Watt can’t single handedly shut down an offense like this.

        Kevin Molina
        @KevinMolina85
        Kenny Clark is just dominating the last few series

        Nick Krueger
        @NickPKrueger
        ASU has to find a way to scheme away from Kenny Clark right now. He’s currently playing on another level

        Peter Schrager
        @PShrags
        Kenny Clark unblockable right now

        Lieutenant Dan
        @LtDanFootball
        Kenny Clark is such a stud. Kid has first round written all over him.

        Bruin Report Online
        @BruinReport
        That noise you hear is Kenny Clark climbing up draft boards. Wow. #UCLA

        SportsGuyTim
        @SportsGuyTim
        Think I’ve heard them mention Kenny Clark on every snap. Dude is everywhere.

        D.WOODSIDE
        @DeeDub67
        Kenny Clark of UCLA remind me of Darryl Russell so much its frighting

        Cameron Teague
        @cj_teague
        This dude Kenny Clark for UCLA is literally unblockable right now. It’s unbelievable

        owamagbe odighizuwa
        @LPJ_Odighizuwa
        I see Kenny Clark came to play today!!

        SunDevilSource.com
        @SunDevilSource
        Kalen Ballage battles to make it back to LOS. Nick Kelly lost to Kenny Clark

        SunDevilSource.com
        @SunDevilSource
        Kenny Clark beat Kelly and got his hand on the ball right as Bercovici released the ball

        • Volume12 says:

          Oooh Darryl Russell that’s a great comp man. I’m on the Kenny Clark hype train. My ticket is bought and paid for.

        • bigDhawk says:

          Then I tune in for the last five minutes of the game and he disappears.

          Consistency.

          I’ll watch the whole draftbreakdown video of this game when it comes out and my opinion might improve. I suspect, though, I’ll see the burst of playmaking I just missed along with gaps where he has no impact. He could wind up just being Rasheed Hageman where he randomly dominates and hibernates, but there is still lots of season left for him to improve.

          • CHawk Talker Eric says:

            Hmm had to be more like the last 3 mins. And at that point ASU wasn’t going anywhere near him.

            Anyway, I get it. He does need to be more consistent. But keep in mind that the UCLA defense has lost 3 key starters, not just starters but future NFLers. Clark is pretty much the only top prospect still playing and there’s only so much one guy can do.

            I know someone here doesn’t think much of PFF grades, maybe it’s you bigD, but I’ll post it on Monday.

            • RealRhino2 says:

              What I saw from the last few minutes was what I saw earlier. Had no impact. And I’m not sure “Great player when he decides to try” is the evaluation I want for my DL, anyway.

              As to ASU not going near him, again, not what I saw. I guess you say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to, but I saw them still running inside. They weren’t going right at him, but he was getting sealed off pretty easily. it’s not like it was all fly sweeps and bubble screens.

              Agree I need to see more. 15 plays isn’t really enough to know what you are getting. But it’d sure be nice if he had an impact on at least ONE of them.

          • Volume12 says:

            Check out the Arizona game from last week too.

  14. bigDhawk says:

    Was that a seven second dump by ABC on the Clemson coach post game interview? He was screaming and then they just cut to broadcast prep on the Sports Center set. Wonder if the coach said something live they had to delete?

  15. Volume12 says:

    CHAWK, my man. Stanford OT Kyle Murphy is flat-out demolishing folks in the run game.

    This Christian McCaffery kid (son of Ed) from Stanford is the real deal! What an offensive weapon. Shades of Reggie Bush.

    • CHawk Talker Eric says:

      Stupid directv.

      Thanks for the update V12 ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Volume12 says:

        Depending on what type of athlete he is, and I’m assuming he’s a good one, because Murphy was a 5 star recruit from judt about every scouting service, no lower than 4 star, what about Kyle Murphy as our future RT?

      • bigDhawk says:

        I had PAC12 Network just two weeks ago and then my cable provider here in Dallas decides to drop it. Bummed.

        • CHawk Talker Eric says:

          That sucks. I could understand if they never carried it, but why drop it now?

          I have to live with DirectV for Sunday Ticket since I’m out of market for SEA.

        • Volume12 says:

          What’s with everyone not getting their PAC 12. Ohh I’d be so pissed!

          • CHawk Talker Eric says:

            You know, sometimes I really like ESPN’s ads for SC, but the latest one about walk-up music is kinda pissing me off. Now I have Hanson’s Doo Wap ringing in my ear.

            • Volume12 says:

              LMAO! That was one of the corniest ass songs ever.

              Sometimes Murphy ends up on the ground, but I almost think it’s because Stanford cut blocks so much.

              • CHawk Talker Eric says:

                How’s his 2nd level work tonight?

                • Volume12 says:

                  Impressive. That’s where he was laying cats flat on their back. Coached very well. He knows when the ball-carrier arrives, and gets there in a hurry. In a phone booth, he does a great job turning his man away from the action.

                  • Volume12 says:

                    Hits his spots well I should said. He looks like such a natural.

                    I think it’s safe to say that Seattle wasn’t looking for anyone on that ‘Zona squad.

                • CHawk Talker Eric says:

                  Gotta be.

  16. CharlietheUnicorn says:

    Should Seattle consider picking up recently released DT Kenrick Ellis? He is a big man, could help with rush defense perhaps.

    • Volume12 says:

      Nah. No movement skills. Doesn’t give enough effort. Listening to PC talk about Rubin, they want guys with high revving motors and DTs who make plays up and down the LOS.

      • CHawk Talker Eric says:

        Like Hill.

        • Volume12 says:

          Like Hill. Big Red was huge, but I don’t think any of us would question his effort or the fact he was a 330-340 lb DE setting the edge. What a unique player he was. He’s one of my all-time favorite Hawks. I know Jacob Greene would agree.

  17. AlaskaHawk says:

    I was looking at the college rankings to see if Alabama would move back up after their win over #8 Georgia. I found that there are enough 5-0 and 4-0 teams left, that it is unlikely Alabama will move from #11 and arguably they could fall to #13. Now I think Alabama is better then half those teams, but there are some strong teams like TCU, Baylor, LSU and Ohio State. So where should Alabama be ranked?

    • Volume12 says:

      9-10. Remeber, UCLA and ND lost and both were top 10 teams. Their better than Clemson.

      • Volume12 says:

        I think the SEC championship will be ‘Bama vs Florida. Them Gators are for real! I love Fournette, but I’m not sure QB Brandon Jennings does enough to help them win a tough game or two.

        Really feeling Florida right now. IDK if Fred’s son Kelvin is ready for the NFL this year, but we might have to add him to our 2017 RB watch list.

        • AlaskaHawk says:

          I think Ohio State will be back in the championship game. No real reason for that other then they are the champs! There is so many good teams this year. It could just as easily be TCU and LSU. Lots of possibilities this early in the season. I don’t think Florida will be in the top 2. Alabama has a shot just based on their toughness.

          • Volume12 says:

            I agree about Ohio St, but Michigan could knock them off or ‘Sparty’ too. I don’t think Florida will be top 2 either, just pointing out the fact that them or LSU will be ‘Bama’s toughest challenge. TCU I’m not 100% sold on. IMO Baylor is the better team. Utah is a team that could make some noise if they run the table.

            Your right, a lot of good teams and very exciting. Still a lot to be determined.

            • CHawk Talker Eric says:

              Freakin Jim Harbaugh. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see them in the hunt. What do ya’ll think of UM TE Jake Butt (no, that’s not a joke)?

              • Volume12 says:

                One of the better TEs in the country. Him, VA Tech TE Bucky Hodges, Arkansas TE Hunter Henry, and Stanford’s Austin Hooper. OJ Howard too.

  18. Volume12 says:

    CHAWK, Seattle scouts at that Miss St vs Texas A&M game last night. OT Germain Ifedi?

    And this DT from Miss St Chris Jones-6’6, 308 lbs is a freak! I’ve heard he’ll be a SPARQ demon come combine time. He’s a former basketball player, moves like a tight end, and plays with a ton of passion and swag. I’ve watched this cat make plays sideline to sidline. His length is unreal!

    And Ifedi has a Taylor Lewan like personality.

    • CHawk Talker Eric says:

      Chris Jones is one of my favorite players right now. What a great prospect.

      Maybe WR De’Runnya Wilson?

      • Volume12 says:

        Very distinct possibility. Also WR Josh Reynolds from A&M-6’3, 195 lbs. Same as Kenny Lawler, both are juniors.

        From A&M there’s also C Mike Matthews and DE/OLB Daeshon Hall-6’5-6’6, 260 lbs., he’s in the top 10 for sacks and from Seattle. Went to Garfield HS and was a bball player. Another jr.

        And of course Miss St CBs Will Redmond and Taveze Calhoun.

        Not sure about A&M WR Ricky Seals-Jones. Has freakish size, good bloodlines, but doesn’t appear gritty or like he’s even trying. And he’s a R-SO.

  19. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Meant to post here

    One of those rare occasions where I’m rooting for SF.

  20. James says:

    Just asking this out of curiosity, but how did Lacy look in college compared to Trent Richardson?

    • Trenchtown says:

      Trent Richardson was the guy in college who was always looking to make the extra cut. Think Barry Sanders but without the shiftiness and the ability to stutter step without losing any momentum. Lacy was exceptionally good at fighting through first contact. I think both were hard to rate because the Alabama line were often men amongst boys.

  21. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Looks like SF will give ARI their first loss of the season.

    • CHawk Talker Eric says:

      Not SF, STL

      • Volume12 says:

        That’s big for us. Even though we still control our own destiny in the division. Gurley had a huge 2nd half.

        Arizona’s O-line looks to falling apart. No run game, no pass rush, Palmer always gets hurt. They could face some troubles here shortly.

        • CHawk Talker Eric says:

          David Johnson looked good.

          Gurley looked great. Hey STL has the roster to compete with anyone.

          And what the hell with Kaep? He just looks lost.

          A minute ago on Fox postgame, Curt Menefee asks Jimmy Johnson “what would you do about Kaep?”

          Jimmy says, “I’d get a new quarterback.”

          Strahan face palms like “oh no he didn’t”

          • Volume12 says:

            Johnson is okay. He’s not a RB that’s going to punish a defense or take pressure of Palmer. He’s throwing it over 40 times a game.

          • CHawk Talker Eric says:

            RobertOlson92: According to FOX’s Curt Menefee, the 49ers’ 3 points, 8 first downs, and 6 sacks allowed was their worst offensive performance since 1964.

  22. Forrest says:

    The “Glass Hammer” that is Arizona is starting to crack…all it took was a decent Defense. GB is the only big NFC threat right now (ATL are close). I hope the Lynch injury isn’t to bad, that’s the only major concern I have right now…

    • Volume12 says:

      I agree. But I think it will be a week or two injury. Same with Mebane. Bruce is questionable and KPL is also out (as always).

      It’s best he sits right now, no need to aggravate Lynch’s injury. He should’ve sat last week too. We’ll need him against teams like Cincy and later in the year.

      • Volume12 says:

        And for those thinking KJ or Avril are possible ‘cap casualties,’ KJ hasn’t missed one tackle this year and Avril aka ‘The Viper’ is 4th in the league in QB hurries/pressures.

      • CHawk Talker Eric says:

        I have bad feeling about Mebane.

        • Volume12 says:

          I thought the run defense looked better when Hill was in and ‘Bane was out. I do think a big bodied DT is a need for us in this upcoming draft.

          PC said P-Rich is basically ready to go, but rules prohibit him from playing. He’ll give us that deep threat we need, until ‘no E’ emerges as one in a couple of weeks.

  23. Trevor says:

    Couple of observations from CFB yesterday.

    First there really is a lack of quality OL play in CFB. The LT out of ND Ronny Stanley was supposed to be the top prospect in the draft and he looked terrible against Clemson.

    I really hope we resign Okung, draft Shon Collins out of Auburn to play RT and then let Gilliam be a swing guy / backup. If we do I think we would be set at the tackle position for the next 5 years.

    2nd note Eric Striker out of Oklahoma is a special player and despite him being undersized I think he is going to be a star on Sundays. Would love to see him in a Hawks uni. Striker, Sua Cravens and the LB out of ND are my three favorite defensive players in the draft. I think DT will be a bigger need but would love to somehow get one of those guys.

    3rd I know most people on here don’t love E Elliot but I love how he just shows up when it matters most. On a team of star players he shines the brightest when the stage is biggest. I think Fournette is a better prospect but if Elliot should happen to be there when the Hawks pick he would not be a bad pick IMO. Still prefer an OT like Shon Collins however.

    • CHawk Talker Eric says:

      I’d put either of Jason Spriggs or Kyle Murphy right up there with or ahead of Shon Coleman (not Collins).

      Striker is a gamer. Has a very Seahawky vibe to him.

      • Volume12 says:

        Love Striker too.

        Coleman is criminally underrated. One name to keep an eye on is W. Michigan’s OT Willie Beavers. One of those rare kids from HS that played on the defensive line and didn’t stay there. Great looking ZB.

        I think Stanley has been overrated from the get go. With that being said, his body type and athleticism are kind of ‘Sehawky’ even if he is raw. He’s got a lot of potential.

        ND LB Jaylon Smith is one of the best prospects in CFB. He’s up there with Fournette, and Myles Garrett in IMO. Legit top 15, if not top 10.

        OL play is awful. Hence, the lack of quality O-lineman in the NFL. Keep Okung and draft a couple LTs. Then figure out where to put them. RT like Trev said, or a move to C in the Max Unger mold.

    • Rob Staton says:

      “Ronny Stanley was supposed to be the top prospect in the draft and he looked terrible against Clemson.”

      Always seen him as really overrated, mentioned it on the podcast last week.

      • Trevor says:

        That is why I watched him this week and I am not sure if it was the first time he faced speed rushers like Clemson has but it was not pretty. I am sure he has talent but will need a lot of work.

  24. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Has someone put a voodoo curse on place kickers this year?

  25. line_hawk says:

    Two very important things happened today. Gurley & Austin combined to beat Zona (Great job on calling Gurley!) Green Bay thrashed SF for the first time in the Kaepernick era. It seems like changing of the guard in the division. I think a piece on the future of our division will be interesting.