Combine day two open thread: QB, WR, TE

March 4th, 2017 | Written by Rob Staton

I’m away with work today so there’s no live blog unfortunately. I’ll be doing a review piece later but in the meantime feel free to use this as an open thread.

The key thing to look out for are the defensive back measurements. In the Pete Carroll era, the Seahawks have never drafted a cornerback with sub-32 inch arms.

DB height/arm length (+32 inch arm length in bold):

Jamal Adams — 6-0, 33 3/8
Brian Allen — 6-3, 34

Chidobe Awuzie — 6-0, 30 5/8
Budda Baker — 5-10, 30 5/8
Chuck Clark — 6-0 32 1/4
Jeremy Clark — 6-3, 32 7/8
Gareon Conley — 6-0, 33
Treston Decoud — 6-2, 33
Rasul Douglas — 6-2, 32 3/8

Corn Elder — 5-11, 31 1/4
Justin Evans — 6-0, 32
Josh Harvey-Clemons — 6-4, 35 3/8
Delano Hill — 6-1, 32 1/8
Malik Hooker — 6-1, 33 1/4
Marlon Humphrey — 6-0, 32 1/4
Eddie Jackson — 6-0, 32 1/4
Rayshawn Jenkins — 6-1, 32 3/4

Lorenzo Jerome — 5-10, 30 5/8
Jadar Johnson — 6-0, 32
John Johnson — 6-0, 32 1/2
Josh Jones — 6-1, 32

Sidney Jones — 6-0, 31 1/2
Damontae Kazee — 5-10, 30 7/8
Desmond King — 5-10, 31 1/8
Kevin King — 6-3, 32
Ashton Lampkin — 6-0, 31
Brendan Langley — 6-0, 32 3/8
Marshon Lattimore — 6-0, 31 1/4
Jourdan Lewis — 5-10, 31 5/8
Shalom Luani — 5-11, 32
Marcus Maye — 6-0, 32 1/2
Obi Melifonwu — 6-4, 32 1/2

Fabian Moreau — 6-0, 31 3/8
Montae Nicholson — 6-2, 33 3/8
Channing Stribling — 6-1, 31 1/2
Cam Sutton — 5-11, 30
Teez Tabor — 6-0, 32 1/4
Cordrea Tankersley — 6-1, 32 1/4

Tedric Thompson — 6-0, 31 1/2
Marquez White — 6-0, 32 1/8
Tre’Davious White — 5-11, 32 1/8
Marcus Williams — 6-1, 32 1/2

Howard Wilson — 6-1, 31 3/8
Quincy Wilson — 6-1, 32 1/4
Ahkello Witherspoon — 6-3, 33

304 Responses to “Combine day two open thread: QB, WR, TE”

  1. peter says:

    Good day sir!

    Although Seattle isn’t expected to select a TE or WR perhaps anywhere in the draft depending on how some of organize our mocks, I still look forward to this group of workouts. There’s often a few players that go out and make themselves some money after lighting up the combine.

    And after the frankly kind of boring performance from a whole bunch of underperforming OL’ers and little new information on RB’s (which I think Seattle needs to seriously consider extra players, either draft or UDFA) I’m hope some dude has a Chris Conley style Combine today.

  2. JT says:

    Gareon Conley initial report – 6’0, 195 lbs, 33″ arms

    He gets the Round 1 stamp with that, and is a very possible Seahawks target at 26.

    • PDXBen says:

      With so MANY DBs in the seahawk mold I think we tap into the pool a bit later – maybe with our 2nd rd pick to insure we don’t miss out…

      • PDXBen says:

        Except for maybe King….Rob has got me excited about him at 6’3″ and some of the measurements he’s mentioned that came out of a Nike camp or something- can’t wait to see what he does in athletic drills

  3. Cove says:

    CB Gareon Conley

    6’/195 lbs
    33″ arms
    9 1/2″ hands

    Great measurements. Can’t wait to see how he tests.

  4. peter says:

    Where did you see those numbers posted are you watching live?

  5. JT says:

    Offensive Line targets have been updated according to Seahawks athletic thresholds on here:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t8eGy7M5aSqqA5Yx2jVgqq2-OoFlnMJ7G4jHLRzkVTY/edit#gid=596355207

    Only Garett Bolles & Nico Siragusa met all the athletic thresholds (33″ arms, 110 pSparq, 3.00 TEF).
    Taylor Moton & especially Forrest Lamp are very close to meeting all typical requirements, while a few others have a chance to as well with improved Pro Day #s.

    85% of PCJS draft picks meet all the respective athletic cut-offs listed in that doc.

    **Keep in mind that this doc simply narrows down likely Seahawk targets – it does not necessarily indicate that these athletes are the top players at their positions.

    • peter says:

      Under SS it has pounds listed but no pSparq number. Is there no common pSparq number to glean info from?

      Otherwise that’s a pretty cool spreadsheet.

      • JT says:

        The SS’s they’ve drafted/signed have been pretty un-athletic according to Zach Whitman’s pSparq, including Kam.
        SS & TE are the toughest positions to get a handle on, in terms of their athletic prototypes. WR as well, to an extent.

        Conversely, it should be really easy to narrow down OL, CB, RB. LB, EDGE, and nickel DT athletes.

        All the thresholds/cut-offs are based off the source data in the positional tabs on the doc.

  6. John_s says:

    Sidney Jones 71 7/8 wingspan in addition to 31 1/2 arm length.

    Quincy Wilson32 1/4 arm length
    Akello Witherspoon 33″
    Kevin King 32″
    Cordrea tankersley 32 1/4
    Eddie Jackson (S) 32 1/4

    • John_s says:

      Sorry just saw the update in your post

    • matt says:

      It’s cool to see so many CB’s pass the 32″ arm threshold.
      Conley, Decoud, Douglas, Humphrey, King, Tabor, Tankersley, Wilson, Witherspoon.

    • lil'stink says:

      Kevin King coming in at an even 200 lbs, almost 10 pounds over his listed playing weight. If his 40 and agility drills look good, he’s going to be hard to pass up.

  7. John_s says:

    Josh Harvey Clemons with insane measurements.

    #Louisville S Josh Harvey-Clemons measured 6-4 1/4, 217 pounds, 10 3/8 hands, 35 3/8 arms, 82 5/8 wingspan. #NFLCombine

    • Ukhawk says:

      Not a fan

    • Totem_Hawk says:

      I like this kid as a box safety, hybrid LB type..Alpha guy, was made to play single high safety which made for a ton of bad tape but if he can play a defined role and not test positive for weed like he did a few times in college he could be a beast!

  8. Dlep says:

    So many cbs w 32 in plus arms 🙂

  9. Naks says:

    I keep thinking, what if mccaffrey is drafted as more of a wr/returner rather than a rb. Then he becomes more of a harvin/Cobb/Tate style of guy who can line up in the back field or just has really good YAC skills

    • JT says:

      McCaffrey is a fantastic runner between the tackles, despite his lack of size. He has outstanding patience, vision, feet and wiggle. Typically 200 lbs RB’s aren’t workhorses in the NFL, but this kid is an exception to the rule. He’s too talented.

      His receiving ability is possibly his best trait – he’s the total package.

      • Naks says:

        If he’s durable enough as a between the tackles runner. I think he could be a star wr/returner that moonlights as a rb rather than a part time rb/3rd down back

    • BobbyK says:

      McCaffrey is a total stud. He could be a Pro Bowl RB on one team and could be a very good WR playing on a different team. That’s talent.

      I love Prosise because I see him as such a good running and receiver, but can’t shake all the injuries he had as a rookie. I normally give guys a pass with one season of injury if it’s a singular type injury, but that guy was hurt and kept out of action a bunch of times over with all kinds of different injuries. He’s a stud but not a guy you would feel comfortable “banking” on to be a major part of your offense week after week. I would have no major interest in McCaffrey if Prosise only had 1-2 of his injuries last season, but there is a part of my that hopes McCaffrey is our pick (that is with the assumption that a good veteran OL and a decent LB veteran of value is/was signed in FA, making our most obvious needs now less obvious on draft day).

      • CHawk Talker Eric says:

        IF SEA were to go offensive skill position with their first pick I would infinitely prefer Njoku to CMC.

      • AlaskaHawk says:

        I’ve been a big fan of McCaffrey also. His career will really depend on staying healthy (that same problem with Prosise). If McCaffrey stays healthy he would be a starter on any team. Remember how the Patriots were running the ball, and finally got their third running back in and he was catching passes out of the backfield and scoring. A guy like McCaffrey that can run and catch is invaluable. Also I’m a fan of the Pac 12 so I’m showing a little favoritism.

        As far as Njoku goes, I’m a fan of the pick, but I’m really not convinced that the Seahawks have EVER known how to use the tight ends. Even with Jimmy Graham there is just no consistency to his use. Yes he has a few good games, and then they go away from him. So I’m not sure how much value their is in that pick in the first couple rounds.

  10. Naks says:

    Kupp is not looking great so far- couple drops and a slow 40. Hopefully teams go by his numbers rather than his film and he drops, so we can get a gift in round 3.

    • matt says:

      Steve Smith just said that Kupp is his #1 WR in the class. Now he’s not a GM, but does know a thing or two about being a good WR.

      • Naks says:

        Ya, he had nothing but praise for him. But the other analysts talked about how many questions would surround him now with the slow 40. I’m a tape over numbers guy myself, but like you said he nor I am a gm

  11. Ed says:

    A. Witherspoon (6’2 3/4″) (198lbs) (9 7/8 hands) (33″ arms) (79 3/8″ wingspan)
    B. Allen (6’3 1/8″) (214lbs) (10″ hands) (34″ arms) (78 1/2″ wingspan)

    M. Hooker (10 3/4″ hands) those are some large paws

  12. McGruff says:

    We may not be in for a WR early . . . but two guys I want are Amare Darboh and Noah Brown. Darboh just ran a 4.46 at 6’2″, 214 pounds. Brown did not run but was measured at an impressive 6’2″, 222.

    Both are high point pass catchers and excellent blocker. Brown in particular just levels people.

    • Naks says:

      I thought krishawn hogan looked intriguing too. 6’3″ 222 lbs and ran a 4.56. Small school guy but nice size and looked like good hands

  13. McGruff says:

    And Zay Jones is sooooo smooth.

  14. Overtime says:

    Pharaoh Brown of Oregon is having a good weigh in. 6-6, 255, with 10 3/8 hands, long 35 5/8 arms and still put up the BP 24 times. He was injured his junior year and lost a lot of production his senior year. He might be a late target for the Hawks or an UDFA if he gets overlooked in a deep TE class.

    • Trevor says:

      Definitely an interesting guy to keep an eye on. Has all the tools for sure.

      Did he not have some off field issues?

      • Overtime says:

        Yes. His girlfriend punched him out. No charges were filed against him. He also had a couple conflicts with teammates. He is a high strung, alpha dog. He nearly had his leg amputated after he was hurt. He came back from a lot. Very Seahawky, We need to know how he runs. He is probably off everyone’s board right now due to the leg injury.

  15. astraeus says:

    Chris Godwin looked so natural in drills. Effortlessly catches away from his body. Really nice hands.

  16. John_s says:

    John Ross 11’1″ broad

  17. Trevor says:

    Adoree Jackson 33 1/8″ Arms. That is huge hope it keeps him on the Hawks radar.

    • Derron James says:

      I really did not expect it from a smaller guy!

    • McGruff says:

      I’m seeing Jackson listen at 31 3/8

    • Trevor says:

      Sorry misread it 31 3/8 so I guess we can cross him off.

      My two favorite DBs Howard Wilson and Adoree Jackson sub 32″ arms which sucks.

      • McGruff says:

        Big bummer on WIlson, who look like Sherman on the field with the way he plays and carries himself.

        Douglas makes the list though . .

        • Trevor says:

          Yep I am glad as he was the other guy that just that looks like a Hawks DB to me. Reminds of Maxi the way he battles with his hands.

        • Jww says:

          Where are you guys seeing the exact measurements and updated verticals, broad, etc..?

      • Del tre says:

        Its ok theres still Brian Allen, Akhello Witherspoon, and Kevin King. I also presume Douglas made the 32 inch cutoff too. I’d love to see the Hawks take King round 1 and Witherspoon in round 3, puts the average height atCB in nickel at 6’3

  18. Trevor says:

    Zay Jones and Chris Godwin really stood out from that first group of WR for me.

    • matt says:

      Big Godwin fan. Wish his arms were a bit longer. <32" probably takes him off the board. :/

      Jones is big time. The problem with Jones is we'd have to spend our first pick to get him.

  19. lil'stink says:

    Shalom Luani is now listed at 5’11”. And John Johnson now has 32″ arms.

  20. McGruff says:

    Kizer is by far the best looking QB here . . . very polished and poised. Looks like a day one starter to me.

    • matt says:

      QB is the most polarizing position this time of year. To me Kizer misses way too many passes. 12-11 as a starter at ND is not getting it done. Has the tools to be very good though. How great is it to know that the Hawks have Russell Wilson?!

  21. nichansen01 says:

    I think you can almost pencil in Nico Siragusa as one of our third round picks. If he’s there…

    • CHawk Talker Eric says:

      I have to think he’s at or near the top of their list. Value meets need for him at the bottom of R3.

  22. McGruff says:

    Someone just hit 43.5 on the vertical. didn’t hear the name.

  23. John Sor says:

    Speed Noil form Texas a&m

  24. Peanut says:

    With this QB group, could one make a point that the Rams maybe should have either waited a year for their trade, or taken Wentz?

    • McGruff says:

      I think its a decidedly below average QB class. Probably slighty better than last year, but not by much.

      • HawkTalker #1 says:

        Better than last year, seriously?

        • McGruff says:

          Aside from Prescott and Wnetz, two guys I loved, it was a bad class. Setting Prescott aside, I’d put Wentz above Kizer and Watson and Trubisky, but those three guys would be better than anyone in last year’s class.

        • Del tre says:

          I don’t understand the QB analysis this year. Wattson is better than Wentz and Goff ever were in college, he has put up nearly 500 yards on the best defense in the country twice, he’s like a slightly taller Russell Wilson coming out of college with better stats, a smart mobile QB with a great arm. The best player out of last years QB class was 3rd round draft pick who basically went into a spread offense in Dallas (he should receive the exact same criticism as Wattson does, all the throws he makes are easy, my eyes role though because just like Wattson he can still throw downfield just fine). Seems to me that teams don’t even know what their doing when they try to evaluate QB’s. Taking Jared Goff 1st overall is worse than taking Jamarcus Webb. On the principle of Wattson only having lost like 2 games his entire college career he should be looked at more highly than Jared Goff.

          • Kenny Sloth says:

            He also caught a bunch of screen passes and other gadgety plays.

          • Ishmael says:

            He’s black.

            • Del tre says:

              God i hate it but its just like white linebackers, if theyre even OK they’ll basically be voted as an all pro, *cough cough Sean Lee cough cough*

              • Ishmael says:

                Yep, I don’t even know why people try to deny it at this point. Although Sean Lee is pretty good tbf. There’s such a huge body of evidence. If a white QB had put in the two performances against Alabama that Watson did do you honestly think there’s a chance he’d get out of the top three?

          • Steve Nelsen says:

            The QB analysis will change. Nobody was talking QBs 1-2 at last years’ combine. But, as the draft approaches, QB-needy teams start finding reasons to grade QBs higher. I could totally see QBs going 1-2 again this year:

    • BobbyK says:

      I think our first two picks are going to be instant starters. They usually are. The late third round guys are almost always developmental guys in year one who may have a small role. Rees and Vannett did not have major roles on the team last year. Prosise carved out a niche. That isn’t normal with our late third round picks.

      2010 – No 3rd round pick
      2011 – No pick in late third round (Moffitt = starter = early/mid 3rd round pick)
      2012 – No pick in late third round (Wilson = starter = early/mid 3rd round pick)
      2013 – Jordan Hill – developmental player as a rookie. No role of impact. Contributed year two.
      2014 – No 3rd round pick
      2015 – No pick in second half of third round (Lockett was an impact player who was an early 3rd round pick)
      2016 – Prosise, Vannett, Rees

      What that tells me along with Schneider being pumped about being able to trade comp. picks is that they will get their two starters (one being a CB), but they could very well take a couple of those comp. picks and move up into the early third round and get a third starter (like Wilson and Moffitt started as early third round picks, and Lockett made an impact in the third).

      They aren’t going to “bank” on a late third round pick making an impact in 2017. But they will trade up for a guy earlier in that round to get a third impact rookie player for the ’17 season, which means they could make one of their three “impact” picks a luxury pick.

      Again, nobody knows right now what’s going to happen in FA or via trade. If they were to do something out of left field, such as swing a Byron Maxwell trade – then we aren’t going to be clamoring for a first or second round pick on a CB. Although CB seems inevitable with an early round pick at present time. In that case, it’s more likely they draft a prospect late in the third like Jordan Hill, Vannett, or Rees and expect they develop for a year before making an impact in the NFL as sophomores.

      If they were to try to party like it’s 2013 and their two off-season splashes were signing Okung and trading for Maxwell, that definitely alters the first two rounds of the draft. There may even creep in a “luxary” pick in the first or second round. Christian McCaffrey? Or if they trade for an OL and sign a contributing LB they really like – that affects things, too. No probable OL or LB in the first two rounds (probable with a third rounder) with a CB being a probable first round pick and a potential BPA type guy in the second. Maybe an EDGE rusher who could/would help on third downs to keep rotations fresh?

      Lots of scenarios to play out and it’ll be fun to follow it… more so with this blog community.

      • BobbyK says:

        Before anyone gets technical, Wilson/Moffitt were not drafted in the second half of the third round. Technically, they were in the first half of the third round (more mid-third; just outside the top 10 in the round).

      • Nolan says:

        If we go luxury I’d rather have John Ross then mcaffery

        • BobbyK says:

          I’d rather go Fournette. But, like Ross, he won’t be there at #26. McCaffrey’s chances are higher that he’ll be there – though no guarantees.

  25. Ukhawk says:

    31 DBS with 32″+ arms. Luani is 32 with nearly 9.75 hands.

    43.5 was Noils #1 athlete recruit coming out of HS

    Ross killing it with 11.1 broad and 37″ vert

    • Ukhawk says:

      Think there was only 20 DBs with >32″ arms in ’16 combine

    • McGruff says:

      Noils is intriguing as a late round flyer/UDFA. Fast and can return, but a mount of bad decision in the drug addiction realm.

    • Ishmael says:

      Noil is a freakish, freakish, athlete. I hope the Hawks take a late round swing at him.

      • matt says:

        Talent is not the question with Noil. Is he a former jag that JS refers to as not wanting?

        • Ishmael says:

          Maybe? Hard to say from a distance, might be one of those guys who’s always been so physically talented that he’s never had to work as hard as others, and hasn’t developed his game as much as he should.

          There are only a handful of guys in the league who can move like he can, and that means he’s worth a serious look IMO.

  26. Ukhawk says:

    Sutton, Lattimore, Adoree, Thompson, Awuzie, Baker, Jones all 32″: Evans, Luani, Maye, White

    • Ukhawk says:

      Top guys listed were sub 32″
      Pleased Evans, Luani, Maye & White >32″

      • Ukhawk says:

        Hopefully won’t affect the inside DBs/nickel guys like a Sutton /Baker as much

      • Peanut says:

        Sidney Jones is still one of, maybe the best, CB in this pool.

      • McGruff says:

        Arm length is less important at safety for Seattle.

        • Kenny Sloth says:

          I don’t know if we can say that…

          They’re not going to cross off a scorching fast FS because of sub 32 arms, but they do value it as a trait a ton.

          • McGruff says:

            Considering sub- 32 inch arms is pretty much a disqualifier at CB, and we have numerous examples of safeties with sub 32 inch arms, I think “less important” is safe diction.

            • Kenny Sloth says:

              They like length. It is very important at every position imo.

              I don’t want to discount length, becauae they do draft guys like Winston.

            • Kenny Sloth says:

              I think this is actually unsafe diction

          • LLLOGOSSS says:

            Yes, but at which position? We only know that they chose Earl as a pure FS, to my recollection the only other safeties we’ve drafted have been SS’s or hybrids. Earl had <32" arms.

    • Ed says:

      Adoree was a little shorter than 32. 31 3/8 I think.

  27. Smitty1547 says:

    Foster must have been trying to guarantee his spot on the Bengals

  28. McGruff says:

    According to Walterfootball.com, the Seahawks met personally with Zach Banner . . .

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      Of course they did xD

      Udfa for me

      • McGruff says:

        I think so too. Lots of experience, enormous size, but his technique is a mess and his athleticism is pretty much non existent. Still, as a UDFA, his size alone gives you something to work with.

      • Overtime says:

        He could be a UDFA practice squad guy. He needs a year in the weight room and on a diet. Gotta, cut out the cheese burgers with the super sized fries. He can move the pile on 3rd and 2 at the goal line.

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      Banner tipped the scales at 353, down from 361 at the Senior Bowl, a trend he hopes to continue as the draft approaches April 27-29.

      topic when he talks to NFL teams, a group that has included the Seahawks – he said Thursday he has spoken “a couple of times’’ to Seattle coaches.

      “They just say, ‘We’re going to find that weight,’’’ Banner said of his talks with NFL teams. “I performed at a top level in college playing 345, and I performed at a top level at 380. I don’t think college (weight) was an issue — I was really dominant and I was really happy about that. It’s just, we want to take away it being an issue in the league. There’s people who eat themselves out of the NFL, and that will not be me, plain and simple. And I explain that to coaches.”

      Banner says part of his past weight issues were due to being “a broke college kid that followed the rules.’’

      But since the end of USC’s season Banner has worked with a chef and nutritionist, which has helped to bring his weight down, which could also impact if NFL teams view him as a tackle — his preferred position — or potentially having to try guard, instead.

      “I see myself being around 345 by Pro Day (March 22),’’ Banner said. “And I see myself even being lower before the draft.’’

      -Via Condotta

    • Kenny Sloth says:


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      Zach Banner vows to solve weighty issue to improve NFL draft stock


      Originally published March 2, 2017 at 4:03 pm Updated March 2, 2017 at 4:30 pm

      USC offensive lineman Zach Banner talks about growing up in Tacoma at the NFL Combine Thursday.
      Zach Banner, a former star at Lakes High and USC, knows he needs to show NFL teams he can keep his weight in check.

      By Bob Condotta
      Seattle Times staff reporter
      INDIANAPOLIS — A lesson learned at USC that may have more to do with Zach Banner’s football future didn’t come on the field or in the classroom.

      Instead, as the former Lakes High star explained Thursday, he found out during his college years that “if me and you go get a burger, I’m going to gain five pounds and you’re not.’’

      It took a while for Banner, an offensive tackle, to learn the value of nutrition, though, and he played for the Trojans weighing as much as 380 pounds.


      This week at the NFL Combine, however, Banner tipped the scales at 353, down from 361 at the Senior Bowl, a trend he hopes to continue as the draft approaches April 27-29.

      How successful he is in that effort could go a long way toward determining if Banner can escape what appears to be his current draft fate of being considered likely to be taken on the third day, or in rounds 4-7.

      Banner says his weight is a common topic when he talks to NFL teams, a group that has included the Seahawks – he said Thursday he has spoken “a couple of times’’ to Seattle coaches.

      “They just say, ‘We’re going to find that weight,’’’ Banner said of his talks with NFL teams. “I performed at a top level in college playing 345, and I performed at a top level at 380. I don’t think college (weight) was an issue — I was really dominant and I was really happy about that. It’s just, we want to take away it being an issue in the league. There’s people who eat themselves out of the NFL, and that will not be me, plain and simple. And I explain that to coaches.”

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      Banner says part of his past weight issues were due to being “a broke college kid that followed the rules.’’

      But since the end of USC’s season Banner has worked with a chef and nutritionist, which has helped to bring his weight down, which could also impact if NFL teams view him as a tackle — his preferred position — or potentially having to try guard, instead.

      “I see myself being around 345 by Pro Day (March 22),’’ Banner said. “And I see myself even being lower before the draft.’’

      If that all comes to fruition, Banner could be an intriguing mid-to-late round option for the Seahawks, especially considering his ties with some of the team’s coaches.


      As Banner recalled Thursday, he got what he said was his third college scholarship offer from USC as a freshman at Lakes High when Pete Carroll was still the coach of the Trojans (Seahawks assistant offensive line coach Pat Ruel was also then with the Trojans as offensive line coach). Those were relationships rekindled this week when he met with Seattle coaches at the Combine.

      “It’s kind of awesome meeting with those guys and talking to them,” Banner said.

      Banner said what one would only expect when asked about the prospect of playing for the Seahawks. “Back home, heck yeah, it’d be great,’’ he said.

      -Via Condotta

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      Things hardly went as planned at USC, though, as Lane Kiffin was fired early in Banner’s second year. The UW coach he spurned to attend USC — Steve Sarkisian — then took over in 2014 only to be fired early in the 2015 season due to alcohol-ruled issues.

      At least Banner got a happy sendoff with USC’s late-season surge in 2016 and a Rose Bowl championship, and Banner says he has no regrets about leaving home five years ago.

      “If I had a chance to change my school, I wouldn’t do it, 10 times out of 10, 100 times out of 100,’’ he said.

      In fact, Banner says he tells NFL teams that all the upheaval he experienced at USC has prepared him well for pro football while also creating a situation in which he has lots of room to, well, grow.

      “The things that USC has done has gotten me ready for the NFL,’’ he said. “If somebody’s fired, I’ve had four different head coaches, I’ve had five different offensive line coaches.

      “. … I tell them plain and simple like ‘hey, I want an offensive line coach that can teach me year after year and that can coach me.’ I haven’t been able to find myself. So not only am I trying to find my weight where I want to be but I also want to master my technique, which to me I haven’t even touched where my potential could be.’’

  29. Kenny Sloth says:

    KD Cannon, Zay Jones, Chris Godwin, Stacey Coley, Amba Etta-Tawo, Jehu Chesson, Amara Darboh all cracked 4.4 so far.

    Chesson 4.47 at 6’3 204
    Quincy Adeboyajo 4.42 at 6’3 197
    Zay Jones with deep nfl bloodlines 6’2 201; 4.45

  30. Kenny Sloth says:

    Marquez White 2 year starter at Florida St. One of the least targeted CBs in the nation both years. Same conference as Trubisky, Watson, Jackson.

    6’0, 194, 32 1/8″ arms, 10″ HANDS!

  31. Darth12er says:

    On a side story, just got off the phone with my mom. She just listened to a talk from the lady who took in Garrett Bolles. It’s an awful lot like the blind side with Oher. He had druggy parents who kept getting evicted. He had bad friends and was constantly in trouble with the law. Her and 3 other ladies helped him from junior high (middle school? Idk anymore) through high school. Finally after he graduated his family kicked him out. She and her husband took him in under pretty strict rules, (like dump your bad friends). He later ended up preparing himself to go on a Mormon mission. He came home early and said he wanted to play football. Because of his bad grades they went to byu for some practice or training (she was unclear there), but from that he got a full ride from snow. Later transferred to Utah. Pretty cool story. Now he’s going to be a top 15 pick. He said the only person he’s ever been afraid of was this tiny lady, kinda funny.

  32. John Sor says:

    John Ross 4.22!!!!

  33. Derron James says:

    OMG JOHN ROSS

  34. John_s says:

    John Ross 4.22!!

  35. Steve Nelsen says:

    The Seahawks don’t save a ton of money if they cut Kearse. But, after a disappointing 2017 season, I athink JS almost certainly adds a potential Kearse replacement a year early; someone 6-2+ who is a willing run blocker and ST.

    • McGruff says:

      Darboh and Noah Brown would both be upgrades at giving the Seahawks what Kearse gives.

      But it depends on what they think of Tanner McEvoy going forward.

  36. Matt says:

    Umm…John Ross…

    I mean…if he’s there at 26, how in the hell do the Seahawks not pull the trigger? That’s absurd.

  37. ZHawk says:

    John Ross may have just broken the 40 yard dash record…

  38. teejmo says:

    So Ross just ran an unofficial 4.22… with cramps from the beginning…

  39. Kenny Sloth says:

    Hey guys, have you seen this kid from UW; Ross? He’s pretty speedy

    • Derron James says:

      🔥🔥🔥 no wonder he blew adoree away

      • Ehurd1021 says:

        He beat Adoree on one play; he slipped too lol. Adoree locked Ross down all game long after that point.

        • Kenny Sloth says:

          Not true at all.

          Adoree Jackson admitted he got his ankles broke. “It happens haha”

          Jackson caught 2 lame duck interceptions impressively, but could not keep up with Ross when he was covering him.

          • Ehurd1021 says:

            Adoree got beat one; which he clearly slipped at the line. Ross was checked the entire game and really didn’t do much after that point.

            • Kenny Sloth says:

              Browning was about 7/8 115 yards and a TD going to Ross.

              Ross looks amazing on Jackson’s tape.

              (Oregon fan, jfyi)

  40. Ishmael says:

    😶 John Ross…

    And this is a slow track, holy shit. How high does this push him? First WR taken?

  41. Ishmael says:

    Just watched it again, what really helps him is that he actually runs in a very technically correct way. Most of these guys aren’t ever taught how to run properly, but sometimes done some work with him. Incredible stuff though, just insane speed.

  42. Totem_Hawk says:

    Now they said it was hand timed? I didn’t see a electronic time when he ran…dont think that time will be official…perhaps a little TV drama manufacturered by NFL network?

    • MSL says:

      The times shown while running are never the official laser times. You don’t think they had the timers going when he ran?

      • Totem_Hawk says:

        Every other guy who ran had the electronic timer shown as he ran, Ross was the only guy they didnt show it when he ran…weird

        • MSL says:

          My guess is it’s just a broadcast screwup. Those times normally shown are still unofficial and not the laser timers as far as I know.

  43. Daniel Bryan says:

    Rob,

    I applaud you on your work to refine and improve TEF this year.

    With that said wTEF is flawed. It’s a small but I think important distinction. The bench press number should not give greater value to someone who is heavier. It should have the inverse relationship. I think we can all agree 35 reps for some who is 330lb and yoked is impressive but shouldn’t the 250lb guy get more credit for repping 35 on the bench?

    The adjusted bench score would be even more useful if it took into account arm length as those with longer arms have a more difficult time bench pressing.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Please see Rob’s and Cysco’s detailed response on this in comments from the other day:

      http://seahawksdraftblog.com/2017-tef-preview-and-tweaking-the-formula#comment-311653

      My bottom line conlusion is that TEF and wTEF work anyway to put the guys on our radar that Seattle might be interested in. The rest after that is up to us to take into account things like arm length, grit, toughness and play on tape. The formula isn’t meant to tell us perfectly who the best prospects are (which is, of course, impossible anyway), it is meant just to turn our attention to the right group of guys for further evaluation.

  44. Trevor says:

    Curtis Samuel reminds me a lot of Percy Harvin 2.0 hopefully without the migranes and baggage.

    • Volume12 says:

      A little bit. He doesn’t have Percy’s explosion or COD. At least in pads he don’t.

      • Ishmael says:

        Nowhere near tbh. He’s shifty, but Percy was on another level. Hard to think of anyone who had his explosion and COD in the last few years, maybe Tavon Austin but he doesn’t play with nearly as much pop.

        I’d still like to have a look at Samuel, could run some very fun two back sets with him and Prosise.

  45. Trevor says:

    Love Ross and the speed is insane but I would not touch a guy with his build and injury history in Rd #1. He is like a finely tuned race car when they are on it is incredible but they break down a lot.

  46. MSL says:

    It’s official, 4.22 for Ross! Wow!

  47. Hawthornehawk says:

    Watch the last 15 second of this Joe Williams highlight video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y8WyD-nmWY does that remind you of anyone? And that’s at the end of a 200 yard day with the flu..

  48. Kenny Sloth says:

    USC OL gave up 12 sacks in 13 games.

    The Hawks have looked at oversized OL before. Might take longer to go around a bigger guy if we’re barely getting in the path anyway

  49. icb12 says:

    Chesson is the WR I want out of this class.

  50. Volume12 says:

    Thank god Jackson had sub 32″ arms. Love his character, not his game.

    Budda came in small. Not shocking.

    John Ross can fly! Damn.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Sidney Jones missed the mark at 31.5, as well as Lattimore with 31.25. Of course, they will still be good for someone.

      On the bright side, Tre’davius White at 5110, 192, 32 1/8 arm jumps back in the conversation!

      So Budda will be considered only as a FS. Pauline wrote the other day that the more he watched Budda, the more he kept thinking of Earl Thomas.

      Tedric Thompson also still in consideration at FS.

      Earl T.: 5010, 208, 31 1/4 arm
      Budda: 5095, 195, 30 5/8 arm
      Tedric: 6000, 204, 31 1/2 arm

  51. Volume12 says:

    So does John Ross get his island or not?

  52. Sea Mode says:

    Can’t believe Victor Bolden only ran a 4.54. He is waaay faster than that on tape. Pro day will be telling.

    • Volume12 says:

      Hand timed?

      Trust the hand times not this electronic garbage.

      • Sea Mode says:

        IDK, do you have an alternate source that gives you the hand times instead of NFL.com?

        I meant more that I’m surprised/disappointed in his performance, not that I would have a discrepancy with the listed time. (if that wasn’t clear from the way I said it) Like he didn’t prep well enough for the drill to show his real speed.

        • Volume12 says:

          Most of these teams are hand timing these guys. They don’t go of the electronic time.

          What I meant was, trust the hand times when or if they’re available.

  53. Volume12 says:

    Anyone else concerned about Jon Allen? Kid has arthritis in both shoulders.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Not particularly concerned. Should I be?

      The real value are the 4-5 cheap years anyway, in which it shouldn’t affect him much, right?

      • Volume12 says:

        I would. Arthritis don’t get better. It only gets worse and quickly too.

        • Ishmael says:

          Depends how much it affects him. These guys are all loaded on cortisone anyway, a couple more jabs won’t make too much difference I wouldn’t have thought.

    • Trevor says:

      Seems like alot of the kids coming out of Alabama have injury issues.

      Hope it does not affect his career but you have to think it will.

  54. icb12 says:

    The Titans have got to be looking at Ross at 8 right?
    They have reportedly been shopping for speed.

    And they can still upgrade S or CB later in the 1st.

  55. astraeus says:

    TE Bucky Hodges 39″ vert and 11’2″ broad at 6’7″ 245. Freak.

  56. Volume12 says:

    This Mitch Trubisky doesn’t have enough tape is the worst. What more do you need? If a scout can’t make a conclusion off 13 games, then he probably shouldn’t be scouting.

    • Ishmael says:

      I take the point, but that’s still a tiny, tiny, sample size.

      So hard to know how he deals with adversity, how he’d be affected by teams having an entire offseason to watch his tape etc. etc.

    • McGruff says:

      Studies have been done and 1 year college starters have a monumentally bad record in the NFL.

  57. JimQ says:

    WR-Robert Davis, 6-3/219, 4.44/40, 19-reps***, 41.0-Vert”***, 136″-Broad***
    ***= Top marks for WR, so far, this kid is killing the tests.

    Might be a guy to keep in mind as a later round developmental guy with extreme physical abilities. I think PC/JS would love a tall, fast WR like this on the cheap.

  58. Trevor says:

    After watching Deshawn Watson in the National Championship and again today how can there be any question about who the #1 QB is? Any team that passes on him for another QB will regret it for a long time.

  59. Volume12 says:

    How about the best sleeper WR in this class? Tennessee WR Josh Malone. Grab them 💰!

    4.41 40, 6’2, 208 lbs.

  60. nichansen01 says:

    Here’s my mock for the Seahawks (entire draft)

    26: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State

    Measuring in with 33 arms, great tape and college production at Ohio State, this may be the ideal candidate to compete with Desir Lane and Elliot for the starting right corner job. In this scenario, Reddick and Cunningham are both off the board at 26.

    58: Tyus Bowser, LB/DE, Houston

    A little bit raw. That’s why he will be available at 58. Tyus Bowser has similar physical measurements to Bruce Irvin and appears to be the perfect candidate to start at SAM, while also providing another pass rusher coming off the edge in sub packages. Also athletic enough to give KJ support at WILL. Ideal pick that fits a huge need for this defense and also comes with enormous value at the end of the second.

    90. Justin Evans, S, Texas A&M

    This would be a real steal if Justin Evans quietly slips to the bottom of round 3. Evans would be drafted as a backup safety, but could also play as the big nickel we have discussed on this blog. Passionate player and a hard hitter, physical profile (short arms) could drop Evans to 90, but the Seahawks wouldn’t be able to pass this up.

    102. Nico Siragusa, OG, San Diego State

    This is the O-line pick Seattle waits for. Scheider publically stated that he wants to add a veteran presence on the o-line, so a high pick is unlikely. The Seahawks need backup guards, and the massive and athletic Siragusa’s TEF score and physical measurable (6-5, 330 lbs) makes him truly ideal for that function. Asiata would also be ideal here but in this projection he goes early third. Siragusa is also an excellent locker room presence, something important for a player being drafted as a backup.

    106. Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA

    The Seahawks still haven’t found the pocket-collapsing interior presence yet on the defensive line. Thy could find it here. Vanderdoes falls because injuries have set him back, but Seattle has never been afraid of injuries. Vanderdoes has the strength and size to fight double teams, bullrush, and is athletic enough to preform other pass rush moves. His stats are misleading to his ability level. He fought back from an acl and this shows grit. This pick could be a steal for the Seahawks.

    210. Darrell Daniels, TE, Washington

    With Luke Willson possibly leaving in free agency, this pick makes a lot of sense. Darrell Daniels is a very fast tight end with long arms and huge hands. He has major pass catching upside, and can block also. So why on earth is he available at the end of the 6th? He can’t run routes, at all. The Seahawks will have to work with him, but this guy has the potential to be willson 2.0.

    226. Stevie Tuikolovatu, Dat, USC

    Long arms. High character. May be an older prospect, but was an anchor for the USC defensive line. Seahawks have shown interest. Unlikely to have any pass rush potential, but similar to Jarran Reed, was never really asked to do so.

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      That’s an interesting draft with cornerback first and then linebacker. I like it all down to 210. Much as I love the PAC 12 I think they need another wide receiver worse than a tight end. Who is available at that spot? Any other west coast names?

      Also this leaves the RB position as UDFA, I’ll throw Colemans name out there as a short yardage guy and possible fullback.

  61. Volume12 says:

    UW TE Darrell Daniels with a 4.56. Nice.

  62. Dlep says:

    Engram whew

  63. Aaron says:

    I’m pretty bummed about Budda’s measurables. Guess if he is picked by the Hawks it’ll be as a FS2 behind Earl and not a S/CB hybrid like the Honey Badger. I don’t expect them to use a first round pick on a backup FS though. Still tons of options when it comes to CBs and safeties. Gotta think if Kevin King tears up this combine he’s going to be a first rounder, and I would jump for joy if we got him.

    On a different subject, DE question for y’all. Since the Hawks have Bennett and Clark who are similar types of players, should the Hawks look for a LEO this draft to pair with Avril? Is Marsh that guy now? Any real LEOs out there?

  64. Ukhawk says:

    OMG. The TEs are faster than the RBs. Hodges is the freakiest

  65. MSL says:

    David Njoku at 4.70. Not as fast as people were expecting right?

  66. Volume12 says:

    Njoku has shown me today and in his tape, he’s a jump ball specialist. Not a TE that’s gonna explode off the LOS, inline, or get downfield in a hurry.

  67. Trevor says:

    Rob was on Engram a lot early. After watching Senior Bowl and then the speed today I can see why!

    With the quality of this TE group we almost have to take one this draft don’t we.

  68. Vista says:

    Did anyone see that Reuban Foster was dismissed from the Combine. He got into a fight with a hospital employee and tried pulling the “do you know who I am” card.

  69. Coleslaw says:

    Engram should be considered at 26 IMO. I didn’t expect that.. Graham is one good year away from leaving for big money, we could suddenly be left with Vannett, Williams and Willson. I want nothing to do with that, Engram would give our offense a really dynamic 1-2 punch at TE that we’ve discussed previously. And he could replace Graham if we don’t want to or can’t pay Graham.

    • Volume12 says:

      There was just the, ‘Seattle won’t take a corner early because of the guys on the PS or signed to future deals.’

      Well why doesn’t that apply to the TEs? All the guys signed to a future deal or on the PS are built like Evan Engram.

      Now, I’m not disagreeing with you in the slightest because all those guys at corner & TE are long shots anyways, but I found that a bit ironic.

      • Coleslaw says:

        I’ve always said they should take a corner early, I was one of the first people here to bang the drum on it.. it does apply to TEs as it applies to every position but an influx of elite talent/ attributes is what we go for in the first round and you can’t say Williams, Vannett or Willson present anything near what Engram just did. Willson is close but he hasn’t done anything and regressed to his worst year last year and isn’t even signed. What TE do we have on the PS that could line up wide and play the ‘big WR’ role like Engram could?
        Noooo body

  70. VancouverHawks says:

    I don’t care what anybody says, Adoree Jackson is the best Corner in the draft. I have watched every game of his since his freshman year, he is special. He covers well in man but he could still use some work(at 21 with his character he will still develop and get better). He also a way better tackler than he gets credit for. We all know what he can do in the return game. I pray that he doesn’t get drafted into the division.

  71. Volume12 says:

    George Kittle, TE, Iowa: 4.53 40, 11’0″ broad jump, 35″ very and that broad jump? 3rd best since 2006. Best blocking TE in the country. Dude is all heart, grit, and hard working.

    If Seattle wants to get back to being the bully again, this might be the guy. Comes from the BIG 10 conference where they play hard nosed, physical, big boy football.

  72. nichansen01 says:

    Njoku disappointed. But Howard Engram and Hodges are all INSANE.

    • Volume12 says:

      Hodges is gonna struggle inline. He’s not gonna be matched up outside.

      Nice project pick though.

  73. nichansen01 says:

    Little disappointed with Daniels 4.56.

  74. Hawks22Fun says:

    IF Seattle is looking for a BIG WR, and we know they like sub 4.5 speed, I only see these options:

    Robert Davis 4.44, 6’3″, 219, 33″Arms,9 5/8″ hands, 41″ Vert 136″B

    Zay Jones 4.45, 6’2″, 201, 32.5″arms, 9″hands?, 36.5″V, 133″B

    Jehu Chesson 4.47,6’3″,204,33.25″arms,9 1/8″Hands?,35.5″V 132″B

    Amara Darboh 4.45,6’2″,214,32 5/8″arms,9 7/8″hands,36″V,124″B

    Chris Godwin 4.42,6’1″,209,36″arms,9 1/8″hands?,36″V,126″B

    Then Add the Hybrid TE/WR:
    Evan Engram 4.42,6’3″,234,33.5″arms,10″hands!,36″V,125″B

    Who would you like? What rounds will they likely go?

    Hard to figure out… Evan Engram in the 3rd would be serious!!!

    • Volume12 says:

      Where was KD Cannon and Josh Malone?

      Engram just solidified himself as a mid 2nd rounder at worst.

      • Hawks22Fun says:

        Good catch on Malone Vol12…I missed him…

        Cannon is only 5’11″…I was starting at 6’2″ and up, with 1 6’1″guy thrown in…

        Evan Engram looks like a serious play maker!

        • Volume12 says:

          Oh. Damn, for some reason I thought I saw Cannon at 6’1.

        • Hawks22Fun says:

          Who would you prefer Vol 12?

          WR? TE? or a HYBRID like Engram?

          • Volume12 says:

            Great question.

            What round are we talking?

            • Hawks22Fun says:

              Let us divide it…is there a guy here worth our 2nd or a 3rd?

              Then what about in the 6/7th with what picks we have?

              Then mid level if we trade a 3rd for a 4 and 5?

              Evan Engram almost makes me want him at R2, but I want a R2 CB and/or LB more so…

              If we could get Robert Davis at the end of 3, I’m in!

              George Kittle like you mentioned, looked solid…4-5? yes!

    • Dlep says:

      Carlos Henderson?

    • LeoSharp says:

      Love the way Davis can high point the ball. He’s looking like a better athlete than Julio Jones. Crazy amounts of potential in that body.

  75. Sea Mode says:

    Engram should have just worked out with the WRs. He has perfect WR1 size/speed/vert/hands.

  76. Ukhawk says:

    Really hoping we use a 3rd to take a TE, deepest group in a long while

    • Sea Mode says:

      Pete loves his TEs. You can always bet on him grabbing another one if value is right.

      If Engram is gone by R2, Vol’s guy Kittle might be better value in R6 since we do already have Graham and Vannett.

      • LeoSharp says:

        Adam Shaheen also looks great. catchs the football really well, his broad jump was spectacular considering he’s 178lbs. He’s a legitimate in line blocker so definitely has a role on the team. Zach Miller was slower than him in the 40, so his speed shouldn’t be an issue.

  77. nichansen01 says:

    How would you rank each positional group of this draft class?

    I think i would say:

    Corner
    Tight End
    EDGE
    Safety
    Runningback
    Linebacker
    Wideout
    D-line (interior)
    O-line

  78. Hawks22Fun says:

    The best way for Seattle to gain a 4th and 5th round pick is to trade with the Browns. They have 2 4’s and 2 5’s…

    Our Seattle picks ‘values'(arguable I know):
    R3-90 – 140 pts
    R3-C102 – 92(approximated)
    R3-C106 – 82(approximated)

    Browns 4’s and 5’s:
    R4-108 – 78 pts
    R4-C142 – 44 pts
    R5-145 – 33.5 pts
    R5-C181 – 27.4 pts

    So to me it looks most like trading one of our R3 COMP picks for the Browns late 4th COMP pick, and the early 5th Browns pick…

    The Browns get one more ‘quality’ player, and we get to make a 4th and 5th Round picks…

    Any Takers???

    • Dawgma says:

      It’ll be interesting to see how the tradeable comp picks changes things, yeah. What the the chances there’s someone there with that last third rounder you just HAVE to have, after getting to pick twice in the last half dozen or so picks already?

      Seems like an obvious trade back spot to me.

  79. Volume12 says:

    Seattle is gonna draft a DT this year. Bank on it.

    ‘Bama’s Dalvin Tomlinson has met with them at the combine.

  80. Sea Mode says:

    I really like the player’s commentary, especially Greg Olsen. Adds a lot to the broadcast.

  81. Trevor says:

    Garrett Benched 33 with 35″+ arms. That is crazy.

  82. Greg Haugsven says:

    Takk McKinley, 250lbs, 34 7/8 in arms. I know there has been a lot of talk about Reddick playing the Leo/ Sam role but this guy would be my choice st 26 if he was there. I’ll bet he tears it up tomorrow which will put him out of reach.

    • Trevor says:

      I think if Reddick as more of a 3 down linebacker but Mckinley as more of a traditional LEO.

  83. Greg Haugsven says:

    Also Hella off topic but for those of you who are Sounders fans let’s welcome back the reigning champs. Defense starts tonight.