Curtis Allen’s week eight watchpoints (vs NY Giants)

October 30th, 2022 | Written by Rob Staton

This is a guest article by Curtis Allen. After the game today tune into the instant reaction live stream which will be available on here and on our YouTube channel

This game highlights what makes the NFL such gripping entertainment — the drama of the unpredictable.

There is simply no way that any reasonable person would have looked at the NFL schedule before the season started and circled this game as the only game in Week Eight that would feature two teams with winning records.

And yet here we are.  Both teams are in the midst of their own individual Phoenix-rising-from-the-ashes stories.  The Seahawks smashing low expectations has been well-discussed here.  

The Giants are reinvigorating the NFC East with their own renaissance — highlighted by some fantastic foundational decision-making from its top brass.  Hiring a bright offensive mind in Brian Daboll to be head coach, pairing him with a deeply respected and successful defensive coordinator in Wink Martindale and drafting talent in the trenches have all proven to be successful moves and demonstrated a great blueprint for rebuilding a franchise.

Both teams have found a way to make this game go from a yawn to good watching.  

There is a lot riding on this game.  Each will want to prove their mettle and keep their forward momentum going.  It may also prove to be a critical point of the season.  A week where these teams prove they are not just having a brief flash of success, only to then sink back into the darkness.

The best way to avoid that?  Beating a team that is also playing good football.

While these two have demonstrated success this year, they do have weaknesses that can be exploited.  Now is an ideal time to truly demonstrate their mastery of coaching, whether they can either strengthen their weaknesses, or minimize them through smart scheming and decision-making.

That is the story this week.  Which team can do that more effectively?

The Seahawks are the fifth-ranked scoring offense.  The Giants are the sixth-ranked scoring defense.

The Seahawks are the 29th-ranked scoring defense.  The Giants are the 18th-ranked scoring offense.

Both teams are top rushing teams with serious threats at running back.  Both teams are bottom-five in defending the run.

The Seahawks can step right on the field and score explosively.  The Giants try to keep your offense off the field and wear your defense down with dink and dunk passes and then enforce their will in the fourth quarter.

The Seahawks are awful in the red zone on offense.  The Giants are amazing in the red zone on defense.

I could go on and on.

These matchups will make for some high drama.

How can the Seahawks come out ahead and go into their rematch with Arizona at 5-3?  One of the ways you will see is by relying on their experience in regularly facing their NFC West opponents.  The Giants have some similar tendencies as their division mates on both sides of the ball.

Do Not Lose Focus

Last week’s victory over the Chargers is their biggest win so far this season, particularly when you consider how badly the Broncos have continued to play.  Going on the road, beating a very talented (albeit banged up) team that has serious designs on a deep playoff run is the best evidence yet for the argument that this Seahawks team is legitimate.

What would strengthen that argument?  A win against a 6-1 Giants team at home this week.

New York might be the best opponent the Seahawks could possibly measure themselves against in the mental aspect of their game.  Why?

First off, the team will get a chance to put a blemish on their record in the rearview mirror.

In 2020, the Seahawks entered Week 13 with an 8-3 record.  Enormously frustrating losses to Buffalo and the Rams were followed with a “let’s do what we do well” win against Arizona and a Monday Night win against the Eagles that featured a dominant performance by D.K. Metcalf.

The top seed and a bye week were within their grasp, and they badly needed it.  Here come the Giants — who without Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones seemed like easy prey.

They blew it.  The defense gave up some big runs, Russell Wilson was sacked five times and the coaching staff made several poor decisions.  After the game, Shaquille Griffin publicly admitted they did not take the Giants seriously and it cost them.

The praise the Seahawks have been getting from the press this season – the last two weeks especially – has been getting louder.  Can they tune it out and stay focused?

One good note to hear:  Pete Carroll has remarked more than once that young players like Tariq Woolen are already focusing on the next game by the time their team plane lands in Seattle.  See you tomorrow for more work.

It is possible that the team still remembers the harsh beating they got in Week Two from San Francisco after the Denver victory hangover and are determined not to make the same mistake again.  We will see Sunday.

Secondly, the way this Giants team plays.  They make you earn everything.  Nothing is given to you.  It will take focus to consistently execute good football plays.

Their offense runs you to death in the ground game and patiently lulls defensive backs to sleep in the passing game.

They do not give you the ball – they only have six giveaways this season, good for fourth-best in the NFL.

They have had as much success as anyone in the NFL in forcing defenses to make mistakes, they have more explosive runs than anyone else and they have gained more first downs by penalty than anyone else.  They get opposing defenses to help them down the field with regularity.

The Seattle defense will need to be very sharp to avoid playing the game the Giants want to play.

On defense, they are incredibly stiff in the red zone.  Watch them swarm to Christian Kirk at the one-yard line to keep him out of the end zone to seal the win as time expired last week.

Now that is defensive desire.  The offense will need to match their intensity and yet keep their focus in order to not make too many mistakes.

They will need a tremendous amount of it to keep New York’s top two offensive players from dictating the pace of the game…

Defend Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones – Particularly in the Running Game

The Giants rely on these two players to make their offense go more than any other duo in the NFL — they account for an astounding 62.4% of the team’s touches, the highest percentage of any two players in the league (and more than half of their total yards).  It would be appropriate for the Seahawks to conclude that they need a proportional amount of their attention from the defense.

The Giants are one of the most run-heavy teams in the NFL with 54% of their plays being runs — so let’s have a look at that area first.

Saquon Barkley provides a supreme challenge.  The Giants are dedicated to squeezing every bit of production out of him this year – he accounts for 46% of their touches all by himself.  Seahawks will need a big day from the front seven in order to keep him from controlling the game.

The interior linemen will need to maintain their gaps and not let themselves be blocked out of position.  The linebackers will need to read and react far better than they have so far this season.  The edges will need their speed to get around pulling guards and make some stops behind the line of scrimmage.

Those players are not alone though.  Barkley’s ability to turn on a dime, reset and accelerate in nearly the same motion means backside defenders need to be just as zealous as the men in the flat in pursuing him.  

You see it time and time again with Barkley – he is able to elude men with a quick change in direction and defenders on the opposite side of the field are caught napping, thinking the play is over.  They are usually the guys spotted on the highlights trying to accelerate to catch one of the NFL’s fastest runners who is already up to top speed.

Barkley is so talented there generally is not one scheme or way of stopping him.  The best thing a defense can do is commit to each player doing their job.  Watching Barkley’s good and bad games, the bad games have one thing in common — when Barkley goes down to the ground, there are at least two or three defenders in the area.  And often four or more.  It is all about winning your individual battle and then swarming to the area you need to be.  Pure effort and desire.

Given his skill and that he takes the lion’s share of touches, I can easily envision Clint Hurtt giving a fiery pregame speech to his guys, telling them their one overriding thought today will be “Saquon Barkley is not going to beat us!”

And Daniel Jones.  I feel safe calling him the most underrated runner in the NFL.  About a third of his plays are runs, and the Giants use him as a real weapon in their offense.  

He is far more effective than you might think.

He currently has more runs for first downs than any other quarterback in the NFL.  Think of some of the great QB runners the NFL has to offer and let that sink in.  Jones has more rushing first downs than any of them.

On an overall level?  He has more rushing first downs than everyone in the NFL except Josh Jacobs and Nick Chubb.  Only…Jones has done it in almost half the attempts as the two runners above him!

Defenders know about his ability to run.  He ran a 4.81 40 in his draft testing.  But they consistently do not take him seriously.  Why not?

Jones is not – to put it politely – a graceful runner.  

Quarterback runners like Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson are sleek European supercars, able to cut and accelerate on a dime and they look so stylish while doing it.  Whereas Jones is a fast but lumbering doofus.  A big heavy American pickup truck with plenty of torque under the hood.  

Defenders have trouble tackling him, just in different ways than the other guys.

Watch a textbook example of this.

Jones sees an opening and takes off.  He makes the slightest of cuts and blows through an arm-tackle attempt by Andre Cisco for an additional ten yards, and then – in typical Daniel Jones fashion – loses his balance and eats it on the turf.

A 24-yard run is a 24-yard run no matter how you get it.  But Jones presents himself in a way that seemingly makes defenders underestimate his ability.  The Seahawks need to consider Jones a serious threat in their minds.

That video demonstrated an unacceptable level of tackling effort.  Defenders need to pursue Jones like they would any other runner.  They need to take good angles, let the sideline be their ally (remember, ‘the sideline never misses a tackle’) and position their body in order to tackle him properly and wrap up.

The Seahawks need to designate a spy on Jones.  If he runs on a third of his plays, and is extremely effective at it, it is necessary.  Be it Ryan Neal, Jordyn Brooks, Cody Barton or someone else, somebody needs to always have their eyes on the backfield and be ready to shoot gaps.  

How does Jones get so many first downs?  The Giants love to spread the field out on third and five or less and then have Jones take the snap in shotgun, take one step back into a drop and then take off running.  Do not let him.

What about the passing game?

Brian Daboll has been able to effectively mask a rebuilt offensive line and Jones’ deficiencies as a pocket passer so far this season.  His sacks per dropback rate is one of the highest in the NFL.  Therefore, he only asks Jones to throw past the sticks three or four times per game.  His passes only travel an average of 4.8 air yards per throw – one of the shortest distances of any quarterback in the NFL.  

They have a much more horizontal than vertical offense, with the quarterback being asked to get the ball out of his hands as quickly as possible, and if his read is not there, to take off running.  So get ready to see lots of slants, screens and short crossing patterns.

Sound familiar?  The Seahawks have faced this offense twice a year for several seasons in the form of the San Francisco 49ers with Jimmy G at the helm.  They should be versed in the principles — be patient.  A quick slant for five yards is not disastrous.  Just get the receiver to the ground and get set for the next play.  Everybody read your keys and react.  Make your tackles and force the quarterback to stay in the pocket and make a real throw and then get after him.

When the Seahawks can regularly get the Giant offense into third-and-longs, their leverage in the game swings heavily in their direction.  Barkley and his explosive ability is taken off the field and the Seahawk offense – explosive in their own right – gains snaps and opportunities to work their magic.

As for Barkley in the passing game, the Giants will send him out in patterns but they also use the passing game as an extension of the running game, a way to get Barkley in space away from the scrum of the line of scrimmage.  Not unlike Alvin Kamara.  How do you defend him in this area?

I would recommend the Seahawks double-cover him, or at the least bracket him in coverage.  Have a man on him that plays between Barkley and Jones and one about 8 yards downfield covering the other side.

Why so much attention?  Two reasons.  Firstly, Barkley is as talented as Kamara, capable of turning the game on its ear with one innocent little swing pass.  Secondly, the Seahawks are once again one of the worst teams in the NFL in defending running backs in the passing game.  If you cannot improve it with player instruction, just throw bodies at the problem.

Again, I’ll reference it:  62% of their plays run through these two.  46% of their plays involve Barkley.

Play the odds and double cover him.

Rising safety outlet Daniel Bellinger will not play Sunday.  The receivers are rarely asked to beat their corners one-on-one deep.  There is help for corners in the center of the field.  And the few times a game Daboll and Jones may feel like taking a shot, the pass rush and the ball-hawking Tariq Woolen should stand ready to help squelch that notion.

If the Seahawks can keep Barkley and Jones under wraps, there are not enough options to mount an alternative attack to get them where they want to go.

It will also put pressure on the defense to control the explosive Seahawk offense…

Use The Tight Ends Wisely to Attack This Defense

The Giants:

-Are the blitzing-est team in the NFL, sending an extra man on 38.8% of snaps

-Are one of the bottom-five teams defending tight ends in the passing game

-Are the worst team in the NFL defending the run, giving up 5.7 yards per carry

-Are the fourth-best defense in the red zone, allowing a touchdown on only 40% of trips (whereas the Seahawks are an awful 31st in offensive red zone touchdown percentage at only 36%)

All these factors cry out for one solution.  Or should I say three solutions:  Will Dissly, Noah Fant and Colby Parkinson.  How can they be the golden ticket for Seahawk success on offense?

Managing the Giants’ blitzes.  Let me describe their blitzing patterns and style and see if it sounds familiar to you.

The Giants blitz a ton.  They love to blitz, not just as a means to sack the quarterback (which they are very middling at it, ranking 21st in sacks and 19th in pressures) but as a way to create chaos and force incompletions or even turnovers.  Wink Martindale will overload one side with a blitz look and then two of those supposed blitzers will drop into coverage when the ball is snapped and he will send a nickel corner from the opposite side.  He mixes and matches these patterns to keep the quarterback focused on where the rush is coming from and away from his primary reads.

Which is exactly what Vance Joseph in Arizona likes to do.

It was effective two weeks ago.  Geno Smith played indecisively at moments and was sacked six times in a low-scoring win for the Seahawks.

Hopefully, Geno and Shane Waldron have learned from that experience and are prepared to handle it Sunday.  Martindale may not run the exact same sequences and looks that Joseph does but the intentions and principals are similar.  How do the tight ends help with this?  

The initial answer is obvious.  More blocking.  If they can pick up a blitzer or two at key times in the game, this would prove tremendously helpful to their playmaking ability.

The other major way they can prove valuable is in providing Geno Smith with hot read options for simple completions.  Here is another similarity to working with Arizona’s defense:  the Giants are vulnerable to tight ends in the passing game.

It is no coincidence that at times the “heaviest blitzing teams” and the “worst tight end coverage teams” are one in the same.  This is how you counter the blitz:  get the ball into your safety valve’s hands quickly.  And with a break or two, you can turn some of those plays into explosives.

As for the running game, the Giants are right in the Seahawks’ wheelhouse.  The Chargers were the #31 run defense in the NFL and look what Kenneth Walker did to them last Sunday.  He almost single-handedly propelled the Charger defense to worst in the NFL, if not for a big day by Travis Etienne last week against these Giants.

More than just pure numbers though, the Giants are strong in the middle and vulnerable on the edges in the run game.  They do not have enough speed at the linebacker position and the edge rushers can be attacked and handled.  Having tight ends that can really block in the running game will make for a decisive advantage.  

Witness Will Dissly destroying his man and Colby Parkinson taking on two blockers for the price of one on Kenneth Walker’s game-breaking 74 yard run Sunday.

What about in the red zone?  

Tight ends have always been a classic answer to this thorny challenge of not settling for field goals every time you get into tight quarters close to the goal line.  However, it is not just the use of tight ends that breeds success.  How they are able to get open for passes is where offenses and coordinators differentiate themselves.

How about we have Shane Waldron draw up some creative plays to get this working?  Have a look at what the Packers cooked up to counter the Giants’ effectiveness.

The Giants love to blitz even in the red zone and will naturally be focusing on the run game.  A simple misdirection play not unlike this could really offer an elegant solution to solving this challenge.

Or the Seahawks could just keep doing what they are doing and just score touchdowns from outside the red zone (11 of their 18 touchdowns have been for 20 or more yards).  That way works too.

Having a regularly effective tight end trio opens up all kinds of options for the Seahawks to attack this Giants defense.

463 Responses to “Curtis Allen’s week eight watchpoints (vs NY Giants)”

  1. 206 says:

    Thank you Cha, I will be thinking about these points during the game.

    Not watching the Broncos game because it’s on ESPN +, how stupid, but I see Russell has already thrown a pick, what has happened to that man he is playing worse than anyone could have ever thought.

  2. Trevor says:

    Great stuff as always Cha!

  3. Trevor says:

    It’s amazing how bad the Broncos offense looks.

  4. HOUSE says:

    They were just talking about how they’re icing Russell Wilson’s shoulder. Russell was quoted as saying “he feels a pain he’s never felt before”. It’s called age and fatigue… If he’s so dinged up, why is he this injured and playing? Denver trying to spin a narrative already. 🤦‍♂️

    • Peter says:

      I think what is going on is more banal.

      As a big russ fan if he had in an alternate world retired there’d be a an asterisk and a question mark if he was a HOF’er.

      What appears to be happening, to me, is he doesn’t give a crap about football anymore.

      I was never Kobe Bryant’s fan but I always appreciated stories of him spending his off season working on one tiny aspect of his game. Russ spends his time goofing around being a pretend mogul.

      • HOUSE says:

        I think your analysis and comparison between Russell and Kobe is pretty spot on.

        I’ve been a Russell Wilson fan since day one and it just appears to me as time has gone on, he’s cared less about football and more about his brand and persona. He got the trade, got the money and it isn’t working out so far in Denver. Time will tell…

        Kobe was all about the game. No one could ever question that. From a fan standpoint, you want a Kobe on your team!

        • Big Mike says:

          Agree with both of you, sadly. The term “celebrity Quarterback” has been thrown around the last few years and it would appear legit.

          Kobe? Man, dude carried the USA to a gold medal vs. Spain in the ’08 Olympics. Utterly took the game over and dominated. Watched it live at like 3:00 AM and was so transfixed I couldn’t even think about going to sleep.

          • Peter says:

            Fan in the traditional “rah, rah,” get a jersey sense.

            Mad respect to him. His game. And his fire to outdo everyone.

            • Peter says:

              Also think Kobe is one of the few players whose game would have been as good in any generation if the sport.

          • pdway says:

            you watched “The Redeem TEam” documentary yet on Netflix?

            The Kobe parts of it are great. When your best player is also a total grinder – it makes everyone work harder.

  5. Mick says:

    Thank you cha. If I may add, one more reason to go for the three TEs formation often is that we should protect DK and Tyler. It’s not worth pushing them too much this game, we need them for the next ones too.

  6. Rokas says:

    Have i just seen Adem on TV screen wearing the Seahawks neon green or was it just a mirage lol?

  7. Seattle Person says:

    Greg Dulcich has looked amazing so far this season. I believe Rob had a 2nd round grade on him?

  8. Peter says:

    Great stuff Cha!

    Really intrigued how Seattle depends against a dink and dunk style offense. Last year was absolutely brutal to watch as Seattle breathed life into mediocre qb’s and let teams bleed the clock on ponderous drives.

    Really hoping last week is not a mirage but more of Seattle’s mid season tightening of defense.

  9. Rob Staton says:

    Jaguars are going to let us down today for draft position

    • Mick says:

      Both teams suck, I still have hopes. Broncos seem to commit more penalties even than we do.

    • JC3 says:

      Trevor Lawrence is shit, Jags needs to draft another QB again.

    • Rob Staton says:

      There we go

      I know the Broncos have appeared on the brink of implosion but they’re nowhere near bad enough to get us a top five pick

      I do fear we’re going to be picking in a really crap range in this draft

    • Blitzy the Clown says:

      At least they won’t be looking to draft a QB

    • Peter says:

      Meh. Not a top end draft coupled with a team that is Mike’s better at drafting after the first round…..nothing to worry about

      • Peter says:


      • Rob Staton says:

        It’s a top heavy draft

        And why wouldn’t you want a higher pick???

        • Peter says:

          Because outside of understanding that the majority of superbowls are won by top ten pick QB’s in my lifetime and this team being out of the Levis sweepstakes I’m fairly agnostic about top picks.

          And I look at this teams draft history all the time. This season is fun as heck but there’s still some serious shortcomings. Having four picks in two rounds even if they are teens and 40’s can be a huge boon.

          I’ve followed as long as you’ve done this (nearly.) And I’ve yet to see you write about that many names that are sure fire top five locks that I, personally, would be bummed if the team didn’t get.

          • Rob Staton says:

            In this draft I think if you end up picking even as high as 12th, you’re likely to draft a second round player in round one.

            • Peter says:

              Now that I get. And do understand that.

              I guess even as the wheels fall off the broncos i guess I’ve never thought Seattle was getting much higher than 12th from them.

              And that’s fine by me. You’ve got me in on the Richardson train. Pete is always talking about a big qb.

            • ShowMeYourHawk says:

              So, why not move down if you’re on the outside of the top ten? A second round player at 18 is a better outcome than a second round player at 11, no?

              • Rob Staton says:

                Well they might trade down

                But Seattle’s record of trading down all the time absolutely stinks

                • Hawkdawg says:

                  Still, if you are correct about the draft being thin below 12, it would be the right thing to do. Now, what they would do with the extra picks is another matter, but there is reason for optimism based on last year. We can only guess what, besides dumb luck, made last year so good, but if it was because Pete backed off and let Schneider do his thing as some has speculated, then even Pete would want to duplicate that result in next year’s draft.

                  Speaking of Levis, though, I saw the second half of the abomination with Kentucky and Tennessee yesterday, and that was not Levis’s most shining hour. Yes, his protection sucked, and yes, they also could not run the ball–and the talent disparity seemed obvious all around–so the odds were stacked against him. But even when he gave himself time, his throws were poor. About the best thing I could say about his performance in that second half is that he has an upper-NFL-class arm and release. He can spin it.

                • Elmer says:

                  SRB (sucks real bad). Maybe the 2022 draft taught them to let the draft come to them and select quality players in positions of relative need. And to not get tricky and try to outsmart everybody else when building your draft board.

    • Redzone086 says:

      Any chance we trade away this year’s 1st rd picks for more draft capital next draft?

  10. UkAlex6674 says:

    We will win tonight by 7.

  11. Blitzy the Clown says:

    See you tomorrow for more work.

    Good call cha. I’ve noticed a palatable change in the team’s attitude in the last few weeks. Or maybe it’s more accurate to say an attitude is emerging, since they didn’t really have one to start the season (beyond their Week 1 Super Bowl vs Denver).

    This isn’t a dig on Wilson at all, but he was (in)famous for his relentless preparation — separation’s in the preparation, baby!🙄

    But you know who relentlessly prepared with him? Tyler Lockett. DK Metcalf. They were just much quieter about it.

    ApparentlyKenneth Walker is a quiet, relentless preparer too. As is Tariq Woolen. You can just see TQ soak up (download?) the coaching, and then put it on display in spectacular fashion on the field. That attitude is contagious man, and I sense it spreading like wildfire throughout the roster.

    There’s a quiet seriousness about this team that reminds me of 2012. Even Wilson wasn’t so loud his first season. No, back then he was all about the business.

    Let’s face it. There’s a lot of athletic and football talent parity around the League — any given Sunday, right? Most of the time, winning or losing comes down to attitude. But you can’t adopt a winning attitude one day a week and expect it to work. You need to live it 24/7.

    And I feel like this team is really stepping into owning a winning attitude every freaking day.

    See you tomorrow for more work.

  12. Big Mike says:

    Thank you as always cha. Offensively Seattle has the edge because we have the better QB. Hope that translates to a W.

  13. Chris says:

    Who would have said that about geno to start the year

    • Big Mike says:

      Well in a comparison with Daniel Jones there probably would have been a few. But yeah, not many and even in comparison to Jones, maybe not me. Really happy to have been wrong.

  14. Big Mike says:

    The best news of the day is that the Dallas Cowboys are being shown on Fox at 10 AM. I mean we never get to see the cowboys on TV so this is awesome.

  15. Trevor says:

    Broncos defense is too good to get us a top 5 pick. How will that change the draft strategy if we end up with a couple of picks in the teens.

    • TomLPDX says:

      Might be good enough to get Richardson and also some more beef for the trenches.

    • Scot04 says:

      Agree Denver defense is just that good. Although Lawrence didn’t do us any big favors.
      Denver offense still tried to blow another one. The no call for false start on last Denver TD sucks.
      Do they still score? who knows, irrelevant now.
      We could end up with a mid teens pick & 2nd pick in the 20s.
      Not a great scenario for a team needing a QB.
      I’m Getting prepared for an overpay on Geno.

    • Kyle R says:

      Their defense is too good to get us a top 5 pick, but their offensive, coach and Wilson’s health is bad enough to get us a top 10 pick which I feel is good enough to get us Richardson.

  16. TomLPDX says:

    Thanks for the watch points Cha. Surprised you didn’t have more to say about our WRs though. It will be interesting to see if they put DK and Tyler on a pitch count or not and I hope Marquise has another standout game and D’ lights it up. I saw they brought Cade Johnson up from the PS. Is he active or not.

    And oh yeah, Homer is back as well.

    Is Tre ready to play or will he basically sit out the game?

    • cha says:

      I work these up throughout the week and injury questions always linger.

      But I am not overly concerned about Lockett. He had a good game Sunday after nursing an injury all week.

      And Goodwin, Eskridge and the tight ends can fill in the gaps just fine IMO.

      They also have yet to utilize Ken Walker as a receiver.

  17. Henry Taylor says:

    Is anyone else UK based having problems with gamepass?

  18. GlastoHawkUK says:

    Gamepass is working to some extent, no Redzone and Vikings Cards
    is compulsory

  19. cha says:


    Penny Hart
    Sidney Jones
    Teez Tabor
    Jake Curhan
    Myles Adams
    Tony Jones
    Nick Bellore

  20. Kyle R says:

    Wow Fields with the huge brain fart on not just touching Parsons when he was down.

  21. Peter says:

    A lot of talking heads spending bandwidth about Hackett and the hot seat but is it time to shine a light on McDaniels and how atrocious the raiders look?

    • TomLPDX says:


      • Peter says:


        I’m pretty sure I was told Carr was good and the raiders were on the cusp.

        Just laid a goose egg.

        Carr might be getting worse and apparently the best WR in the game is turning into a non factor.

    • ShowMeYourHawk says:

      No joke. That guy is NOT an NFL head coach. They have too much talent not to be at least competitive in games.

      Somewhere, Jon Gruden is having a laugh…. followed by a racial epithet of some kind.

  22. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    So, I can’t decide if I feel that John and Pete will be more active before the trade deadline if we win today because they feel “we can challenge for the division and need additional pieces to complement what we have” OR if they’ll be more active should we lose because “we lost due to the fact that we don’t have the pieces we need to challenge for the division.”

    A logical brain would say that they’ll show patience and discretion should we lose because they’ll remember that the plan was for a huge step next year but the waft of even a WC spot may cause them to abandon better judgement.

    It’s really bouncing around in my brain like a Palestinian Chicken moment…..

  23. Chris says:

    Lol falcons

  24. Chris says:

    That was an amazing throw

  25. Big Mike says:

    And to think we actually lost to Atlanta. A conference loss that will come back to haunt us cuz I suspect.

    They’re D allows a Carolina receiver to get behind them when there’s 25 seconds left in the game and they’re 65 yds away from the end zone. A deep shot TD is the only way Carolina can tie. Then the Carolina receiver takes his helmet off gets a 15 yd penalty for it and the ensuing extra point that would give Carolina the W becomes a 48 yarder and the Carolina kicker misses it. This is what happens when bad football teams play each other.

    Losing to Atlanta man, not OK Seahawks.

  26. Big Mike says:

    Oh that was creative

  27. Blitzy the Clown says:


  28. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Waldron’s use of trick and gadget plays have me thinking that any accident was intentional.

  29. bmseattle says:

    1. Metcalf is just not a natural catcher of the ball.
    2. Blythe is getting pushed around, already

  30. cha says:

    Metcalf can’t handle two throws in the breadbasket.

  31. Tony says:

    Blythe with a rough start snapping.

  32. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    D-Lineman makes a business decision not to sack Jones?

  33. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Great tackle by Neal

  34. bmseattle says:

    what a tackle!
    way to keep him from falling forward.

  35. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Blythe is down

  36. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Just good coverage there.

  37. bmseattle says:

    time for some double moves.
    their corners are jumping all our short routes.

  38. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Bruce you gotta end that!

  39. Chris says:

    I’m surprised Barton made that tackle

  40. cha says:

    Hey Bruce

    Defenders need to pursue Jones like they would any other runner. They need to take good angles, let the sideline be their ally (remember, ‘the sideline never misses a tackle’) and position their body in order to tackle him properly and wrap up.

  41. Big Mike says:

    Neal already having a day

  42. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Defense looking good early today. Neal is everywhere

  43. Donovan says:

    Ryan Neal > Jamal Adams

  44. Chris says:

    Keep pounding walker, he will eventually break one

  45. Big Mike says:

    That’s twice Walker has been one tackle away from a huge run it will come

  46. Big Mike says:

    So did that batted pass save the seahawks from a pick 6?

  47. Chris says:


    • Big Mike says:

      Like bmseattle said above, they’re sitting on our slants. Waldron needs to see it and adjust. Martindale out coaching him so far.

  48. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Poona was in Jones’ face that’s why he couldn’t hit the pass

  49. TomLPDX says:

    Wow, a defensive game. Who’d a thunk it!

  50. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Old fashioned wrestling match

  51. Mick says:

    This looks way better than how our D started the season. Scheme change worked.

  52. cha says:

    In three series, the Giants have run the ball one time. Against one of the worst running defenses in the NFL.

    Is Daboll trying the same strategy that beat the Seahawks when he was Buffalo’s OC?

    • Big Mike says:

      Well I think we’re throwing too much too

    • Tallyhawk says:

      They did the same thing last week against the Jags. Barkley ran it once in the first quarter. Had 20 or close to it the rest of the way. It’s like he’s going against what you expect them to do before eventually pounding it.

  53. Big Mike says:

    I think we found our number 3 receiver. You cannot teach that kind of speed

  54. Blitzy the Clown says:


  55. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Like Fant’s hands but it seems like a stiff breeze can bring him down.

  56. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Just missed

    • bmseattle says:

      DK has been so close a few times today.

    • 206 says:

      Gene loves throwing to DK and I love it. Last one was just a little far, but for the most part this season DK just needs to finish the catch, the man can get open even in double coverage

  57. TomLPDX says:

    I love how K9 gets back into the defensive players face when they start talking junk.

  58. cha says:


  59. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Excellent 4th down play

  60. Chris says:

    Our w.r’s can’t catch

  61. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Love that stutter step by Geno but if he commits sooner, 1st down.

  62. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Lucas bench pressed his defender to save Geno there

  63. TomLPDX says:

    What a gutsy call!

  64. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Geno Ice baby

  65. Mick says:

    Love it that we go for it on 4th down.

  66. bmseattle says:

    our run blocking is…not good.

  67. Big Mike says:

    Brilliant play design on both those 4th Downs

  68. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Walker bounced the wrong way. Shoulda gone left

  69. Tallyhawk says:

    2 great calls and play designs on 4 th down. Punch this shit in!

  70. cha says:

    Going for it twice on 4th down in the same drive?

    Who are you and what have you done with Pete Carroll?

  71. 206 says:

    Time of possession right now is awesome

  72. Big Mike says:

    Get it in the end zone!

  73. TomLPDX says:


  74. Blitzy the Clown says:

    There it is! DK gets one fnally

  75. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Niiiiice! Let’s see if a rested defense is appreciative.

  76. bmseattle says:

    Here’s where the Giants realize that they can run on us.

  77. Blitzy the Clown says:

    That was a helluva drive they put together. And they really earned the TD at the end.

  78. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Horrible line taken by Brooks

  79. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Nwosu holding his arm like he hurt it

  80. pdway says:

    I liked both of those 4th decisions to go for it. TD’s gonna be hard to come by today, and their offense doesn’t look like it’s going to score a ton either.

    And both – really smart play calls. love that we are one of those teams on offense now.

  81. Mick says:

    Our edges – Mafe, Nwosu – seem to have improved against the run.

    • bmseattle says:

      Now…if only Taylor would.

    • Wesley Edmunds says:

      I agree. But these are two very talented defenders. They are smart enough to know that they should be able to give a master-class on the edge. It takes athletic ability (check); commitment (check) and strength (check).

  82. bmseattle says:

    Was that Brook’s first tackle for a loss, finally?

  83. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Brooks’ best tackle of the season?

  84. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Ok there’s a good play by Brooks

  85. pdway says:

    man it feels good to see the Hawks D playing better

  86. Blitzy the Clown says:

    What defense!

  87. cha says:

    See Neal waving his hands and calling out the adjustment pre-snap?

    Extend that man.

  88. bmseattle says:

    did his foot touch the endzone line before he downed that punt?

  89. 206 says:

    Who tf is Mike Jackson and why is he playing so good lol

  90. Donovan says:

    How is this the same D that looked like one of worst units in league earlier in season? Wow! Fast, disciplined, and ferocious.

  91. Blitzy the Clown says:

    That’s a fumble

  92. Big Mike says:

    Shit the bed at our own end of the field yet again

  93. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Adoree’ Jackson one time sdb favorite

  94. pdway says:

    damn, what a momentum shifter. such a safe play too.

  95. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Always something. If it’s not Dickson or Eskridge, it’s someone.

  96. AlaskaHawk says:

    What a crazy turnover . Damn, I hope that inspires the Seahawks to try harder and play smarter.

  97. TomLPDX says:

    BULLSHIT! Tyler did NOT have that ball in possession.

    Take this and ram it down their throats Seahawks. Get real.

  98. Nick M says:

    Cody Barton continuing to put gray hairs in my beard week by week.
    There has to be a FA that can at least get off a block and plug the gap.
    He’s a liability.

  99. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Well we spotted them one. Let’s get busy gettin it back

  100. Canadian Hawk says:

    I think at this point Rob should start scouting punt/kickoff returners.

    Crazy how bad that side has been.

  101. cha says:

    What was that formation?

    Geno has two TEs caddying him and a RB behind him and he still gets sacked.

  102. pdway says:

    they’re really in Geno’s face on most dropbacks today

    really challenging game for him – will be interesting to see how he does

  103. TomLPDX says:

    Homer sighting!

  104. Big Mike says:

    Looks like Martindale identified the weak link on the offensive line and lined up his people accordingly on that play

  105. Blitzy the Clown says:


  106. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Homer was too busy thinking about his Halloween costume to protect his QB.

  107. bmseattle says:

    if Homer isn’t going to do his job pass blocking, there is zero reason to have him in the game.

  108. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Yes! Finally some special Special Teams!

  109. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Dareke Young launched himself to get that

  110. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Eskridge. Drink!

  111. Mick says:

    Come on, end the half with a TD.

  112. 12th chuck says:

    All the things right with the offense, Geno picking up a 3rd down blitz isnt one of them

  113. Chris says:

    If we had a screen game we could slow down this pass rush

  114. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Flag on Eskridge. Chug.

  115. Mick says:

    Again a TD after timeout?

  116. Blitzy the Clown says:


  117. Chris says:

    We can’t seem to make the clutch play this game

    • pdway says:

      converted those two 4ths though

      Giants D just looks tough. Feels like this one’s gonna be a grind all gtame.

  118. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Wow lucky

  119. 12th chuck says:

    seahawks are starting to look pretty sloppy. Almost like they are waiting to let the giants take control of the game

  120. cha says:


  121. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Completely unblocked but it counts. Well done, Mafe.

  122. Mick says:

    Giants got only 46 yards against us so far.

  123. pdway says:

    Giants came in averaging 334 ypg on offense. Just 46 in the 1st half today. That’s a great job by our side.

  124. 12th chuck says:

    giants are a second half team. Love seahawks long offensive drives, letting the d rest a bit, its going to be a close game

  125. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Eskridge is making me drink and that FOX halftime bit was making me question if someone slipped peyote into my McCallan. What the f was that filter?

  126. Peter says:

    Sidebar. Surefire, guaranteed, top ten lock as Seattle’s qb of the future….Malik Willis is….proving why Henry is one of the most valuable players/backs in the league.

  127. Big Mike says:

    Blatant block in the back

  128. AlaskaHawk says:

    Jackson has been hitting harder these last two games.

  129. Chris says:

    Jackson playing physical today

  130. bmseattle says:

    if we just don’t give up a big run to Barkley…it’s difficult to imagine the giants driving all the way downfield on us.

  131. Henry Taylor says:

    Is Bruce playing a little too often this week?

  132. AlaskaHawk says:

    I don’t think Irvin was offsides, he crouched down a little and then had a perfectly timed rush.

  133. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    With the way the defense sometimes falls apart, it’s not THAT difficult. Playing much better, though.

  134. Feindt says:

    Irvin taking snaps from Taylor?

    • Mick says:

      Taylor got better PFF grades when playing fewer snaps.

      • Feindt says:

        Ik, but have not seen him at all today. There is a differentere between fewer and none?

        • bmseattle says:

          we seem to make decisions like this a lot, going into games. certain players don’t fit this weeks gameplan, so they never play.
          I can imagine them thinking that the Giants were going to run the ball all day, and that Taylor gets benched in anticipation of that.

          • pdway says:

            just saw that he’s in street clothes – done for the day w a groin injury

            was off-the-street bruce irvin our only plan B though?

  135. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Great play by Nwosu

  136. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Nice to see the roar back at Lumen Field

  137. bmseattle says:

    Diggs sure has been quiet today.

  138. Big Mike says:

    Damnit D, make a stop!

  139. Chris says:

    Why are we giving mediocre wr so much space

  140. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Changing the defensive scheme did nothing to patch the forever hole over the middle.

  141. Peter says:

    Soul stealing 7 plus minute drive…..

  142. Mick says:

    D doing their job well though.

    • Peter says:


      Nine minute drive and a tie game.

      Is this that “better than a sharp stick in the eye,” explanation my dad used to say?

  143. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Decent stand to hold them to a FG

  144. pdway says:

    grind it out drvie by the Giants – but other than the dumb offsides penalty – we made them work for every play. what a throwback kind of game today.

    still – from where we were – it’s so satisfying to see our D playing well and hitting those receivers on the short passes like in the old days.

  145. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Oh man…

  146. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Nice to see Cross downfield with Walker like that

  147. Chris says:

    This is how you lose a home game

  148. Chris says:

    Our w.r’s are a net negative in this game

  149. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Bad omen for Lockett to be giving the game away…. if you believe in that kind of thing. Personally responsible for a 12 point swing.

  150. Robbie says:


  151. John Roberts says:

    Another great deep toss from Geno.

  152. AlaskaHawk says:

    this has to be one of Locketts worst games. Two dropped touchdowns and a fumble at your own 4 yard line.

  153. pdway says:

    the good news is that Geno is throwing some absolute dimes again – that was a perfect throw. Lockett won’t drop many….

  154. cha says:

    Geno’s completion % is not going to stay league best with all these drops.

  155. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Apparently, Taylor is out for the second half with a hip?

  156. Big Mike says:

    At the risk of being a Jinx look at the tackling compared to early in the season. It’s like night and day and Neal has a lot to do with it

  157. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Brooks getting salty out there

  158. AlaskaHawk says:

    Yes to better defense. Would like to see them turn up the pass rush.

  159. Blitzy the Clown says:


  160. Chris says:

    Our dline gave a huge window for jones to throw through

  161. AlaskaHawk says:

    The Giants are trying to run more in the second half. Kind of a grinding offense.

  162. Big Mike says:

    Another 3rd and long. Get a damned stop!!

  163. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Any realistic DE or pass rushing LB options out there? This team might make the playoffs without a pass rush but they aren’t winning the division without one.

  164. bmseattle says:

    missed tackle…unbelievable

  165. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Damnit, rookie….

  166. Kyle R says:

    Wrap up his damn legs Byrant!

  167. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Screaming at my tv “watch the tight end!”

  168. ShowMeYourHawk says:


  169. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Irvin blew that TF up

  170. Pran says:

    Giants adjusted well but Hawks on the other end…

  171. Blitzy the Clown says:


  172. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Let’s see if Lockett can do something to assist his team this game.

  173. bmseattle says:

    seahawks have completely outplayed the giants today.
    very frustrating that it is tied right now.

  174. Chris says:

    If our even play competent we win this game going away instead a very good chance we lose

  175. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Good start to the drive. Get Lockett involved.

  176. Blitzy the Clown says:

    This is a beauty of a drive

  177. cha says:


  178. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Nice, Tyler! Now get another one. You owe your squad two.

  179. AlaskaHawk says:

    Yes Lockett for TD, Go Seahawks! Redemption is mine!!!

  180. pran says:

    that drive looked so easy…

  181. Blitzy the Clown says:

    All he does is… Lockett!

  182. pdway says:


  183. Mick says:

    Boy this O can be magic sometimes.

  184. Blitzy the Clown says:

    What a throw from Geno! My oh my

  185. Big Mike says:

    Geno was tits on that entire drive with every single throw

  186. Peter says:

    Now that’s outplaying them.

  187. Wnoa57nc1 says:

    There is the 4th Quarter Drive we have been watching for from Geno. Let’s see the Seahawks defense shut them down.

  188. bmseattle says:

    zero run plays that drive.
    great job by waldron and geno.

  189. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Win or lose, I am well entertained today

  190. James says:

    What it gods name did I just witness. Is there really a better drive that can be had in the game of football?

  191. pdway says:

    I think Geno is just good….these are not easy throws or system throws….he’s making them all.

    that out to DK was inch perfect, and he just dropped another 30 yarder perfectly in stride.

    Who knew…..

  192. AlaskaHawk says:

    Like a boxer they worked the left side over and then delivered a knockout punch to the right side.

    • Blitzy the Clown says:

      Not to mention give Lockett the opportunity to redeem himself on the same route/throw he dropped earlier.

  193. pdway says:

    happy for lockett too… who by all accounts is one of the good guys

  194. bmseattle says:

    is it good or bad that Irvin steps in and is our most impactful front 7 defender today.

  195. Mick says:

    Brooks looking better today

  196. Big Mike says:

    OK defense make the stop here give the ball to your offense with a chance to put the game away

    • pdway says:

      tell you what …the energy and flying around is contagious – – I don’t think Harris makes that play in a vaccum, but w the D pumped and the crowd loud….it makes a difference

  197. Matt says:

    How did the Giants win 6 games? Good God they are awful.

    • pdway says:

      their D is tough and they’ve been able to run the ball on everyone

      • Matt says:

        They look like a 6 win team…for a season.

        Hawks playing great, but that Giants offense is BRUTAL.

    • Blitzy the Clown says:

      Or maybe Seattle is pretty effen good

      • Matt says:

        I think we are playing well, for sure. I’m not the least bit impressed by the Giants.

        I know some of you can’t handle anything less than “Seahawks are the best and you’re a traitor if you say anything less.”

        • Blitzy the Clown says:

          Yeah, that’s what I’m saying 🙄

          Sounds like a sensitive subject for you so I’ll leave you alone about it.

          • Matt says:

            Maybe you shouldn’t assume a comment on the opposing team means I’m saying we aren’t good? Ever try that? Any mirrors over there?

            • Blitzy the Clown says:

              How many Giants games have you watched this season Matt?

              • Matt says:

                I’ve watched 3 of their games.

                • Matt says:

                  I like their defense and think they are well coached. Their offense and overall talent is pretty meh.

                  And yes, I think the Seahawks are playing well.

                  I think this is the weirdest NFL season I can ever remember. Very few great teams and a bunch that look kind of all bunched together.

                  • Blitzy the Clown says:

                    I’m surprised our run D is holding up so well vs Barkley, but that’s mostly because our run D hasn’t been great (except last week vs the Chargers but they didn’t run much)

                    We’re poking a little hole in their glamor to be sure, but I think they’re going to factor in the NFC playoff picture

                    Or not. Like you say, this season is weird

  198. bmseattle says:

    what. a. tackle.

  199. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Shelby Harris saves the play!

  200. AlaskaHawk says:

    Heh heh Seahawks getting the right bounces now. Living good, lets go Hawks!

  201. Henry Taylor says:

    Let’s go Shelby, big man can move!

  202. Trevor says:

    Today was a legit challenge to the Hawks run defence. So far they have stepped up to the challenge. If they can close this out it will be a big statement by the defence IMO.

  203. bmseattle says:

    can we run the ball now, when it is expected?

  204. cha says:

    Now K9, break their spirit here on this drive.

  205. Tony says:

    This team looks good. And i have no idea how this is. This is not what I expected.

  206. Peter says:

    Here we are. Let them salt this game away and like I told my good friend I’m officially a believer.

  207. Romeo A57 says:

    Time for KWIII to end this game with a long TD run.

  208. David Ashton says:

    Ooooo I’ve got me some tinglies.

  209. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Hate the 3rd down call. That’s inefficient, #3 hero ball.

  210. bmseattle says:

    i was just going to complain about how we can’t make this comfortable…

  211. pdway says:

    that is a huge break right there

  212. Blitzy the Clown says:

    And he fumbles again!

  213. TomLPDX says:

    Homer caused that.

  214. Mick says:

    That poor guy getting cut. But that’s why we keep Homer and Bellore and Dissly.

  215. TomLPDX says:

    I predict a K9 TD

  216. AlaskaHawk says:

    What to do now? Run the ball if it works. But the passing was going well.

  217. Blitzy the Clown says:


  218. Hawks4life says:

    Walker is in fact a BAMF

  219. HOUSE says:

    Walker with a… DAGGER

  220. Romeo A57 says:

    Game Over! Seahawks took control in the 4th Quarter.

  221. AlaskaHawk says:

    Showing some killer instinct to close out this game. Walker with the DAGGER

  222. Peter says:

    Instant (not rob) reaction:

    Something pretty special is going on.

  223. TomLPDX says:

    Still waiting for a Tariq interception

  224. Trevor says:

    A Woolen or Bryany pick to end the game would be sweet here.

  225. AlaskaHawk says:

    I’m not liking the prevent defense. No pass rush and no coverage on the running backs.
    UH OH Ryan Neal down.

  226. TomLPDX says:

    Ryan down!

  227. Chris says:

    Hopefully that’s a cramp

  228. Hawkster says:

    Almost screwed up and caught it

  229. TomLPDX says:

    Cody actually did the right thing by dropping that interception

  230. Hawks4life says:

    Cody Barton doing his best Peacock imitation lol

  231. Blitzy the Clown says:

    This is an impressive win

  232. pdway says:

    man…who knew that this team would be full of young talent, and needing of a steady vet QB.

    if we play D like this, and w Geno pulling the strings on Waldron’s offense – we are sort of, dare I even say it – a complete team.

  233. Big Mike says:

    Barton with an actual play!

  234. TomLPDX says:

    Was that Pete’s first penalty?

  235. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    Ref calls the foul on the Mariners? At least they’re still relevant this offseason?

  236. Robbie says:

    Did he just say Mariners?

  237. Tony says:

    I’m dying over the mariners. Omg I will never not forget that.

  238. Big Mike says:

    Cheap bullshit officiating

  239. James says:

    Horrible use of timeouts by the Giants. Let the clock run to the 2-minute warning, save a timeout for after that.

  240. AlaskaHawk says:

    Pete needs to save that move for an opposing running back heading down the sideline to the end zone!

  241. TomLPDX says:

    Amazing! Look at our Seahawks! Loving it.

  242. Big Mike says:

    Is damn it not Ryan Neal
    Hopefully nothing’s broken Or it’s not in Achilles

  243. TomLPDX says:

    Great win Seahawks!

  244. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    The play of Collier’s career!

  245. bmseattle says:

    Jackson is an enforcer!

  246. Big Mike says:

    Many of you younger people may not know this is not the 1st Michael Jackson to play for the seahawks.. There was a guy that went to high school in Pasco that played for them in the seventies I believe maybe the eighties

  247. TomLPDX says:


  248. pdway says:

    with an exclamation point!! HELL YEAH!!

  249. AlaskaHawk says:

    dang that defensive line doing clean up! Wow great finish to the game.

  250. TomLPDX says:


  251. Seattle Person says:

    The defense just held Barkley to 53 yards on 20 carries. When you do that to a RB like that — a different conversation needs to be had. We are starting to see a defense brewing!

    • cha says:

      That’s only half the story.

      9 yards on 3 catches in the passing game too.

      • Seattle Person says:

        The game plan today was really strong. They dominated time of possession. Limited Barkley. They moved the pocket quite a bit to slow down the Giants’ pass rush. They then went with the hooks at the end to ice the game. Beautiful to see. They executed most of your key notes Cha.