D-line and linebacker measurements notes

February 26th, 2020 | Written by Rob Staton

Today at the combine

Three news stories to start the day. Firstly, players will be weighed a second time before workouts this year. It’s to ensure players test at their actual listed weight.

Also, this was interesting from Tony Pauline:

The Falcons have told people at the Combine that tight end, along with strong-side linebacker and center, are their priority positions come draft day unless something changes.

It’s interesting that center is listed here. Cutting Alex Mack saves $8m. The Falcons need to create room and don’t have many other ways to do it. If the Seahawks end up in the market at the position, Mack could be a veteran option.

Meanwhile another center — Wisconsin’s Tyler Biadasz — has become the latest player to pull out of combine drills. He’s apparently recovering from a shoulder injury. A whole host of big names are not working out this year.


I’ve posted the highlights below. Check out Charles Robinson’s timeline on Twitter for the full list.

With the defensive line group, pay close attention to the arm length. The Seahawks are strict on a +33 inch arm threshold.

It’s good news for most of the big name edge rushers. Many of them have exceptional length (+34 inch arms). In particular, Julian Okwara stands out with his frame. It’s a shame he’s unable to workout due to injury — but his combination of speed, size and length will presumably be very attractive to the Seahawks.

His pressure percentage in 2018 and 2019 was a strong 18.4%. Before he got injured he had the third best pass rush win percentage (23%) in 2019.

These are all things to tick off. Considering players like Charles Harris went #22 overall in 2017, nobody should be surprised if Okwara goes in a similar range. Pass rushers, offensive linemen and cornerbacks generally go early.

Okwara’s tape is mixed. He dominated Virginia’s raw offensive line but failed to impress against Georgia’s two first round offensive tackles. Even so — his physical profile, speed and overall production is strong enough to go in round one.

On the contrary, K’Lavon Chaisson (who gets a lot more hype) is less impressive. He lacks length (32 2/8 inch arms) and his college production was poor and relied a lot on stunts. His 2019 13.1% pass rush win percentage was the lowest among edge rushers eligible for this draft.

He’s also decided against testing at the combine — so he can’t make up for it with a great workout. He only ran a 4.69 at SPARQ. A lot of people assume he’s a freak athlete who will go in the top-15. Okwara has a superior profile.

LSU’s Rashard Lawrence played the 2019 season as if his life depended on it. His +34 inch arms on a 6-2, 308lbs frame is outstanding. He also has enormous 11 inch hands. Don’t be surprised if he goes earlier than people are currently suggesting.

Defensive linemen

Ross Blacklock
Height: 6-3 1/8
Weight: 290
Hand: 9 6/8
Arm: 32 3/8
Wingspan: 78 6/8

Derrick Brown
Height: 6-4 5/8
Weight: 326
Hand: 9
Arm: 34 2/8
Wingspan: 80 7/8

Marlon Davidson
Height: 6-3 3/8
Weight: 303
Hand: 10
Arm: 33
Wingspan: 80 4/8

Jordan Elliott
Height: 6-3 7/8
Weight: 302
Hand: 10 2/8
Arm: 32 3/8
Wingspan: 79

Leki Fotu
Height: 6-5 3/8
Weight: 330
Hand: 10 5/8
Arm: 34 2/8
Wingspan: 78 7/8

Neville Gallimore
Height: 6-2
Weight: 304
Hand: 9 5/8
Arm: 32 6/8
Wingspan: 77 2/8

Davon Hamilton
Height: 6-3 3/8
Weight: 320
Hand: 9 6/8
Arm: 33
Wingspan: 79 2/8

Javon Kinlaw
Height: 6-5 1/8
Weight: 324
Hand: 10 4/8
Arm: 34 7/8
Wingspan: 83 6/8

Rashard Lawrence
Height: 6-2
Weight: 308
Hand: 11
Arm: 34 1/8
Wingspan: 80 3/8

Justin Madubuike
Height: 6-2 5/8
Weight: 293
Hand: 9
Arm: 33 4/8
Wingspan: 80 4/8

Chase Young
Height: 6-4 7/8
Weight: 264
Hand: 10
Arm: 33 6/8
Wingspan: 80 5/8

Bradlee Anae
Height: 6-3 3/8
Weight: 257
Hand: 10 1/8
Arm: 32 1/8
Wingspan: 78 1/8

Raekwon Davis
Height: 6-6
Weight: 311
Hand: 11
Arm: 33 7/8
Wingspan: 85 2/8

AJ Epenesa
Height: 6-5 1/8
Weight: 275
Hand: 10 1/8
Arm: 34 4/8
Wingspan: 81 2/8

Jonathan Greenard
Height: 6-3
Weight: 263
Hand: 9 2/8
Arm: 34 7/8
Wingspan: 81 2/8

Yetur Gross-Matos
Height: 6-5
Weight: 266
Hand: 9 6/8
Arm: 34 7/8
Wingspan: 82 2/8

Trevis Gipson
Height: 6-3 3/8
Weight: 261
Hand: 9 5/8
Arm: 33 7/8
Wingspan: 81 2/8

Jonathan Garvin
Height: 6-4 1/8
Weight: 263
Hand: 9 5/8
Arm: 34
Wingspan: 80 2/8

Alex Highsmith
Height: 6-3 1/8
Weight: 248
Hand: 9 1/8
Arm: 33 1/8
Wingspan: 76 7/8

Khalid Kareem
Height: 6-3 6/8
Weight: 268
Hand: 10 7/8
Arm: 34 3/8
Wingspan: 84

James Lynch
Height: 6-3 5/8
Weight: 289
Hand: 9 7/8
Arm: 31 7/8
Wingspan: 76 7/8

Julian Okwara
Height: 6-4 2/8
Weight: 252
Hand: 10 2/8
Arm: 34 3/8
Wingspan: 81 6/8

Jason Strowbridge
Height: 6-4 2/8
Weight: 275
Hand: 10 1/8
Arm: 32 3/8
Wingspan: 80 3/8

Jabari Zuniga
Height: 6-3 3/8
Weight: 264
Hand: 10 3/8
Arm: 32 7/8
Wingspan: 79


Zack Baun
Height: 6-2 3/8
Weight: 238
Hand: 9 5/8
Arm: 32 6/8
Wingspan: 78 2/8

Jordan Brooks
Height: 6-0
Weight: 240
Hand: 9 1/8
Arm: 32 7/8
Wingspan: 79 3/8

K’Lavon Chaisson
Height: 6-3
Weight: 254
Hand: 9 7/8
Arm: 32 2/8
Wingspan: 79 2/8

Troy Dye
Height: 6-3 2/8
Weight: 231
Hand: 9 3/8
Arm: 32 2/8
Wingspan: 78

Willie Gay Jr
Height: 6-1 1/8
Weight: 243
Hand: 10 4/8
Arm: 32 5/8
Wingspan: 77 78

Malik Harrison
Height: 6-2 5/8
Weight: 247
Hand: 10 2/8
Arm: 32 6/8
Wingspan: 79 3/8

Anfernee Jennings
Height: 6-2 1/8
Weight: 256
Hand: 9 1/8
Arm: 32 7/8
Wingspan: 79 4/8

Terrell Lewis
Height: 6-5 2/8
Weight: 262
Hand: 9 7/8
Arm: 33 7/8
Wingspan: 83 3/8

Kenneth Murray
Height: 6-2 4/8
Weight: 241
Hand: 9 4/8
Arm: 32 6/8
Wingspan: 80

Patrick Queen
Height: 6-0 2/8
Weight: 229
Hand: 10
Arm: 31 5/8
Wingspan: 76 7/8

Isaiah Simmons
Height: 6-3 5/8
Weight: 238
Hand: 9 5/8
Arm: 33 3/8
Wingspan: 81 7/8

Darrell Taylor
Height: 6-3 5/8
Weight: 267
Hand: 9 6/8
Arm: 33
Wingspan: 80

Josh Uche
Height: 6-1 2/8
Weight: 245
Hand: 9 4/8
Arm: 33 5/8
Wingspan: 80

Curtis Weaver
Height: 6-2 3/8
Weight: 265
Hand: 10
Arm: 32 3/8
Wingspan: 78 1/8

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202 Responses to “D-line and linebacker measurements notes”

  1. Spencer says:

    I’m becoming more and more of a fan of Troy Dye. If he can put on some more weight, he reminds me a little bit of KJ Wright with his play recognition ability and ability to snuff out RBs and speedy QBs.

  2. Trevor says:

    Greenard is a lot bigger than I thought.

    Kareem and Gross Matos also look like they have ideal size if they run and move well.

    I would love to see Josh Uche as our SAM and situational pass rusher next year. He has the length they like and I think he will test really well. What I love most about him is the energy and speed he plays with. His motor is non stop.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Uche might have energy but watching the Iowa O-line basically roll him over and sit on him didn’t exactly scream ‘here is part of the answer for Seattle’s pass rush’.

      He’s basically Uchenna Nwosu.

      • Trevor says:

        I don’t consider him a pass rusher. I consider him a SAM linebacker who can rush a situational pass rusher and be used as a blitzer.

        I don’t view anyone in this draft class as the answer to our pass rush problems. Even a freak athlete like Frank Clark had very little impact as a rookie.

  3. TomLPDX says:

    I saw this and chuckled…his knuckles would drag the ground! Must be an errant number.

    Leki Fotu
    Height: 6-5 3/8
    Weight: 330
    Hand: 10 5/8
    Arm: 43 2/8
    Wingspan: 78 7/8

  4. Sea Mode says:

    Whelp, scratch my answer from last thread, Trevor…

    Ian Rapoport

    So, Jalen Hurts — QB. Meanwhile, Notre Dame WR Chase Claypool was asked to do TE drills. That’s the most notable request.

  5. Blacklock, Gallimore, and Chaisson all sub b 33″ arms. Uche with long arms and big wingspan despite his size. 245 is a little light though.

    • Rob Staton says:

      And that’s the issue with Uche. He looks light on tape two. Perfectly fine to play as a full time LB but IMO he’s more of a 2-4 sack a season guy.

    • cover-2 says:

      I wouldn’t discount Blackock and Gallimore for their arm length too much. They both show great initial quickness to be disruptive players. Aaron Donald, while more productive in colllege, also only has 32 inch arm length.

      • Rob Staton says:

        The Seahawks haven’t drafted a DL with sub-33 inch arms.

        Aaron Donald is a freak of nature. He is one of the all-time great NFL players. If he had 10 inch arms, I’d draft him. Blacklock has to dance around the line to find gaps and Gallimore’s production was poor in Oklahoma’s favourable attacking scheme.

  6. Sea Mode says:


    Addicted to Seahawks

    Think RaeKwon Davis lasts past the middle of the 2nd round?

    Jim Nagy

    It’s looking that way.

    • JD says:

      Thanks for posting Sea Mode, do you think it is just the lack of production/attitude concerns or something else we haven’t heard yet?

      • Rob Staton says:

        Don’t underestimate the production.

        Jarran Reed — IMO a top-20 pick — fell purely because teams didn’t think he could rush the passer.

        There are some maturity questions with Davis too. But at his size, and with what he’s shown on tape, I’d still be very interested in him.

        • Grant G says:

          I would love to come away from Rds 1-2 with some combination of Okwara/YGM, one of the OTs (I like Austin Jackson), and Davis (or possibly Jordan Elliot, despite arm length). And then mine the WR talent in later rounds

          • Ashish says:

            Hearing to PC yesterday, DL,WR, OL and RB (may be different order) they would go in draft first 4 picks. Lot’s depends on FA but in general that is how it looks now.

      • Sea Mode says:

        I think they are just looking at everything he “can’t do” instead of focusing on what he “can do”, which has the potential to be quite unique with that frame.

    • Jujus says:

      I think that addicted to seahawks guy might have an addiction… Scratches arms as I scroll thru SDB for the 5th time today.*

  7. Volume12 says:

    God damn it. I’m not a fan of Bruce Arians. But if this isn’t a true statement IDK what is anymore.

    Arians: You might run a 4.3, but your tape says you’re 4.6. You might run a 4.6, but your tape says you’re a 4.4. The tape don’t lie. The combine lies. You can fall in love at the combine and get your a** broke.

    I mean…

    • Rob Staton says:

      I have to say, I despise that comment. It’s football rhetoric.

      Most of the top players, in the positions where speed matters, are amazing athletes. There are always exceptions to the rule. Some great players aren’t workout warriors. But Arians’ quote implies it’s more or less a mixed unpredictable bag. Yet this is a sport dominated by the worlds best athletes.

      • Volume12 says:

        I’m pretty sure he’s saying that don’t go making your selections purely based off what a guy does at the combine during his athletic testing. For us fans they may be the thing we look forward to the most or place the most emphasis on, but in reality they’re the 3rd most important.

      • Trevor says:

        One guy that immediately comes to mind to support this point was Paul Dawson. He was an incredible LB at TCU and they were a really good college defense. In his Senior year he had 140 tackles and 20 TFLs.

        He had amazing tape but then went to combine and ran a 4.93 combine as a 240 lb linebacker. Clearly he was not a good enough athlete to play LB in the NFL.

        Despite is 4.93 40 yd dash his tape was so good he went in Rd #3 to Bengals. He played one year and had 17 career tackles then was waived. Interestingly was on Hawks PS for a while.

        So while I agree Vol12 that tape is #1 I think the measurable athletic profile is a close second and seemingly more important year after year as players get bigger, faster stronger.

        I despise Bruce Arians as well by the way. My least favourite NFL personality followed closely by Rex Ryan.

        • dcd2 says:

          Scooby Wright was another. Unanimous Pac12 POY, 163 tackles, 29 tackles for loss, 14 sacks, 6 forced fumbles. An absolute monster in college.

          He ran a 4.9 yo yd, and the rest of his combine was below average. He wasn’t drafted highly, but he was drafted, only to be cut, and relegated to the XFL.

    • DAWGfan says:

      Arians on PFF with Florio this morning when asked about Jameis Winston “He has some serious issues”. That does not sound like a ringing endorsement that Winston will be back with the Bucs this year.

    • mishima says:

      A fast player can play slow for many reasons. Ex: Vernon Davis after Kam’s hit.

      However, a slow player can’t play fast. They can compensate for their lack of speed, but will always be limited by their lack of elite traits. Ex: Tedric Thompson.

      IMO, only draft freaks.

  8. Volume12 says:

    Maybe it’s a good thing Jim Nagy ain’t in that war room anymore and Ron Wolf’s son is instead now.

    Nagy said Seattle should take Marlon Davidson. What does that say about LJ Collier? Do you play him at 3-tech? Or does Seattle just love them some versatility at DE and what used to be the dreaded ‘tweener’ label?

    • Trevor says:

      lol I agree Vol. If they take another one of these guys after just drafting Green first and now Collier as a 1st rounder I think you have to wonder WTF is going on. I personally think Collier is going to be a bust as a DE in the NFL. Simply not enough twitch. I think his only shot is to bulk up and try to be a 3rd down pass rushing 3 tech.

      • Volume12 says:

        I can see his point if Seattle loses Jaran Reed and the intention is to put Davidson inside as their interior pass rusher. If they keep Reed and want to strengthen the DT position. Or as you said, Collier makes a positon switch. Otherwise it would seem a bit redundant.

  9. Hawkhomer1 says:

    Okwara’s comp at PFF, Chris Clemons. That would be ok.

    I still like Trevis Gipson. He has the bend and size. He is unpolished and from a smaller school so will fall through the cracks a bit. All comes down to short shuttle for him I think.

  10. john_s says:

    Khalid Kareem

    220. #NotreDame DE Khalid Kareem

    Height: 6-3 6/8
    Weight: 268
    Hand: 10 7/8
    Arm: 34 3/8
    Wingspan: 84

    He’s got the motor of Frank Clark. Can’t wait to see how he tests

  11. Volume12 says:


    Position requests made by teams.

    TE》RB (I’m assuming a FB)
    Josiah Deguara
    Dalton Keene
    Charlie Taumoepeau

    Chase Claypool

    Antonio Gibson
    Malcom Perry
    Joe Reed

    Salvon Ahmed
    Anthony McFarland
    Clyde Edwards-Helaire
    Raymond Calais

    • Volume12 says:

      Brian Cole II

      Kyle Dugger
      Tanner Muse

    • GoHawksDani says:

      Gibson is more of a 3rd down RB in my opinion. Or every down, if he runs well and can catch the ball. I like him for 3rd down or to be the new Prosise (with less injuries)

  12. TomLPDX says:

    We talk a lot about arm length but not so much about wingspan. To me that seems like a legit number to look at as well. What am I missing? For instance, Bobby Wagner has an arm length of 32 3/8 (as reported by ESPN) but I haven’t found a wingspan number. Since he is so broad in the shoulder I would imagine he has a big wingspan and that helps him corral those pesky runners.

  13. JimQ says:

    mockdraftable.com has Bobby Wagner listed at 6-0/241 with *33″ arms* and most importantly a 1.57 – 10-yd split on his 4.46/40, + a 132″ broad, 7.1 – 3cone, 4.28 – 20yd shuttle & 24-reps.

    ANY of this years LB’s that comes close to those kind of numbers in this draft will go pretty high in the drafts 1-st round, or in the 2-nd round at the very worst.

  14. Rob Green says:

    Maybe the combine people should be sure an athlete will perform the workouts before inviting them. Let them come for the interviews and non-physical testing, but allow others in as well. It’s a shame so many potential draft picks are left out…

  15. Volume12 says:

    Jalen Reagor is very well spoken. Exudes confidence. Is a thick, muscular 205. I’ll be very, very sirprised if he’s not a VMAC visitor or if Seattle hasn’t already met with him.

    • Trevor says:

      I think it the Hawks take a WR in Rds #1 or 2 then it will be Reagor or Aiyuk and I would love either pick. I would not consider any other WR till Rd #3 given the depth of this WR class.

      I do like Mims and Jefferson alot too though and can’t wait to see how they run.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Fantastic talent but have believed he’s a top-20 since about October

      • Volume12 says:

        Certainly possible. If Philly doesn’t move up for a receiver it would be sorta strange to see them passing on him at 21.

      • Matt says:

        I’m slowly coming to agree with this.

        It would not at all shock me if he is viewed higher in scouting circles than both Lamb and Jeudy. Sounds hyperbolic – but Reagor is a different kind of explosive while not playing like a small guy.

        IF for some odd reason he was available – I’m actually going to say “it would be malpractice to pass on him.” He is just that good.

        • Henry Taylor says:

          I’d put him as tied for #3 (with Ruggs) but I think he has the most upside of any receiver in this class.

  16. Lewis says:

    These guys with the 7 ft wingspans just blow my mind as someone who is less than 6ft tall

  17. Sea Mode says:

    I know, this is about as valuable as PC/JS saying they would “like to have all our FAs back if possible”. There’s just not much else for a coach to say that would be beneficial at the moment. But it’s still a report so I’ll pass it on.

    Adam Schefter

    Vikings’ HC Mike Zimmer says the team met with the agent for free agent DE Everson Griffen last night and the team expects Griffen to return.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Mike needs to go on OTC or spotrac!

      • They may look to resign him but they couldnt do so until they make alot more moves. Then the longer he waits the more other teams will spend there money. Unless he will play for scraps I just dont see him going back to th he Vikings.

      • Sea Mode says:

        They already are OTC, they need to get back on (Spo)trac!

        • dcd2 says:

          Read this, and they think they can clear up enough cap to sign: https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/1/25/21081685/vikings-off-season-plan-v2-0

          Jack Conklin 6/$84M
          Joe Thuney 5/$65M
          Michael Pierce 3/$15M

          while keeping all of their FA’s and losing: Griffen, Rhodes, Joseph & Reiff

          It’s creative, I’ll give them that.

          • Simo says:

            Wouldn’t restructuring all those deals create a massive problem down the road for them? I get that it frees up some cap right now, but it has to come with a future cost.

            And there’s no way they will be able to sign two marquee (expensive) free agents like Conklin and Thuney!

            • dcd2 says:

              Ya, it pushes this years problems out, and likely makes them worse. My buddy is a Vikes fan and we were talking about their cap problems a while back. That article came out and he sent it to me, along with a note that said, in effect, ‘see, no problemo’.

              It will be interesting to see what they do to try and work their way out of the current cap mess they’re in. I think Griffen to us is very likely. I would also expect Rhodes to be gone.

            • cha says:

              Exactly. And they’re already in trouble.

              Let’s do very simple, non-complicated math for 2021. Assume the cap gets a nitrous boost of 10% to $225m with the new CBA.

              They have $163m already committed to 33 contracted players.
              Let’s cut Xavier Rhodes and save $12m
              Let’s add $5m for Injury and play time bonuses

              They have $156m for 32 contracted players.
              Let’s give them credit for 2 good drafts in 2020 and 2021. 10 drafted players, let’s say $12m

              They now have $168m for 42 contracted players.
              Which leaves them with $57m of room to fill 9 roster spots.

              What roster spots do they need to fill, you say?
              -Starting QB (Cousins out of contract)
              -Starting RB (Cook out of contract)
              -Starting CB (Rhodes cut)
              -Starting SS (Harris out of contract)
              -Starting LB (Wilson out of contract)

              Are they monumentally screwed? No. Are they in very, very tough shape? Absolutely yes.

  18. Volume12 says:

    TCU’s Lucas Niang got positive reports on his hip.

    Kentucky’s Logan Sternberg loves trash talking. Said teams love his meanness, but he knows he has to rein it in so it won’t hurt his team. Another guy that sounds like a Seahawk when you hear him talk.

    • Sea Mode says:

      That early R2 range after a trade down is starting to look awfully juicy for an OT…

      Isaiah Wilson (the dream)
      Prince T

      • Simo says:

        How about the massive Becton as an OT option? Is it even possible without the trade down or will he be off the board?

        • ivotuk says:

          There’s something about Prince T that bugs me. He “seems” unathletic, as if he can do drills just fine, but won’t be able to put it all together.

          Can’t quite put my finger it on, but something’s missing.

        • GoHawksDani says:

          I would love Becton based only on his size….huge dude

  19. ivotuk says:

    Leki Lotu 43″ arms? Is that maybe 33″

  20. cha says:

    Interesting scenario that will probably never materialize.

    Teams can use the Franchise tag AND the transition tag as long as there is no CBA in place for 2021.

    Tag window opens tomorrow.

    However, media sources are saying once the CBA is signed it will immediately take effect and the 2nd tag will not be in effect, so if 2 players are tagged a team will have to vacate one.

  21. LLLOGOSSS says:

    Raekwon with 85.25” wingspan 😳

  22. Jace says:

    The first three picks might go earlier than this, but here is my dream draft right now.

    R1- RT- Isaiah Wilson- Georgia

    A monster size lineman, just the way Solari likes them. Was a leader on one of the best OL’s in the nation last year.

    R2- DE- Julian Okwara- Notre Dame

    A long quick DE that reminds me a little of Brian Burns a player I think they liked a lot last year. As Pete and John have both said, you can never have too many pass rushers.

    R2- C- Lloyd Cushenberry- LSU

    Without knowing Justin Britt’s future, and knowing that Joey Hunt gets manhandled.. I have the Hawks double dipping on OL talent. Cushenberry has a gritty backstory and dominated at the Senior Bowl. Oh he also helped lead LSU to a national title.

    R3- WR- Michael Pittman JR.- USC

    The Hawks desperately need an upgrade at the WR3 spot, and it’s never a bad thing to give Russ more weapons. So why not go get a guy that caught over 100 balls last year for USC. He also has experience playing special teams which I believe the Hawks will value.

    R4- LB- Jordyn Brooks- Texas Tech
    While Texas Tech isn’t quite known for it’s elite defense Brooks is a stud. He is very quick to the ball and has good sideline to sideline speed. He had 108 tackles last year, with 20 for a loss.

    RD4- CB- Troy Pride JR.- Notre Dame

    One of the few corners that I liked who had 32 inch arms at the senior bowl. More options should arise at the combine. But Pride looks like he can play outside, and as a nickle.

    R5- RB- Michael Warren II- Cincinnati

    When your nickname is “The Truck” you must be physical, and Warren definitely is. He runs tough and reminds me a little of Marshawn. Most people expect a Prosise replacement but I already think they have that in Homer.

    RD 6- OG- Shane Lemieux- Oregon

    4 year starter for the Ducks. Very powerful in the trenches and could be battling for a starting spot in a few years.

    R7- DT- Tyler Clark- Georgia

    Can eat up blockers over the middle but can also get to the QB a little with 19.5 sacks over his 4 years at Georgia.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Good stuff. Sign me up for anytime we can get Isaiah Wilson with our first pick!

      That said, my dream scenario is still pretty much the one Rob proposed yesterday.

      R1- OT Isaiah Wilson
      R2- (trade up w/R4) DT Raekwon Davis
      R2- WR someone good is gonna fall through the cracks.
      R3- LB/RB
      R4- RB/LB
      R5- Nickel + G/C
      R6- Outside CB project
      R7- ST value

      Can’t wait to finally start getting some testing numbers tomorrow.

    • Matt says:

      I like every pick except for Pittman. I understand the appeal but that type of WR has never worked very well with RW. I’d rather go smaller/faster and can contribute on ST.

      Good work.

      • Ultimately we hope it goes OL, DL, WR in some order.

      • Its all about separation. Ill take quick and fast over tall all day.

        • Jace says:

          I appreciate the feedback, and totally get where you guys are coming from on Pittman. Very excited to see how he and the rest of the WR’s test tomorrow. Raegor is my favorite WR option for the Hawks, but I think he is going to go too early in the draft.

      • GoHawksDani says:

        Agreed. Switch Pittman for Duvernay and I’m in!
        I also like Sea Mode’s proposal. I’d love a good lineman on both sides for the first 2 pick. A decent WR can be picked up in the R2 or even R3. I’d like a nickel CB a bit earlier R3 or R4. I’d also get a blocking TE with some upside. Olsen is a 1 year stopgap, Hollister is not a starter, so we’ll need a TE2 in 1-2 year

  23. Jdtjohnson says:

    Hey Rob

    Do you think there will be a cost savings there with Mack vs Britt? I feel like Mack will probably get $8M-ish. Maybe I’m off base on this.

    • John_s says:

      Cutting Britt saves you 8.5m, if you sign Mack for 8m then you’ve only saved $500k

      • jdtjohnson says:

        Right plus the dead money from Britt which would be $1.5 or so since I think he’s $10M this year. So that’s not really a savings is my point.

        • Kingdome1976 says:

          Isn’t Mack a 10+ million per year Center? I could be wrong.

          • jdtjohnson says:

            Very well could be yes. I was trying to be conservative for the sake of the argument that signing him and releasing Britt would be a cost savings. Was thinking age might bring down his salary some. But yes, I’d view him as a $10M center

    • Rob Staton says:

      Not sure. It’s certainly possible Mack gets that.

  24. Vanillatoast says:

    I read that we had formal meeting at the combine with Jalen Reagor

  25. Denver Hawker says:

    With Penny likely to start season on the PUP and Carson in a contract year, seems prudent to grab an RB sooner than we’d probably like. Either R3 or R4.

  26. dcd2 says:

    They must be doing the bench now for WR? I read that Quinton Cephus did 23 reps. Pretty strong for a WR.

  27. JJ says:


    Are we going to get an update on the drills being done tonight?

    • Rob Staton says:

      The drills don’t start until tomorrow.

      It was the bench press today but for TE’s and WR’s so not really much interest in that.

      • JJ says:

        Ha, thought it was Thursday. Got ahead of myself.

        • Rob Staton says:

          Unfortunately I won’t be doing the full live blogs this year. I will post data when it comes in. It was always a tough slog when it was on from 2pm English time. Doing it when it starts at 9pm and goes on until 4am, I just can’t do that four nights in a row. I’ll be watching live, still, but the bulk of the work this year will be end of day notes, reaction and thoughts rather than constant updates. I will still post forty times though in a form of updating blog/open thread and any other interesting testing/timing notes.

          • Lewis says:

            Believe me. And we can’t say this enough. We appreciate the hell out of all you do, especially this time of year. We will take your thoughts when we can get them.

          • Ashish says:

            Sounds likes nuts, not sure how do you manage. Lucky us.

          • Sea Mode says:

            I hear you, Rob. I’m doubting I’ll even be able to watch much or any of it live given I’m an hour ahead of even you. Might just have to settle for waking up in the morning to a new spreadsheet each day.

            Hopefully we can find a good place that uploads the replays quickly so as to be able to watch the drills.

  28. Sam says:

    Rob, what kind of impact do you think Collier will have next season? I think it would be a mistake to rely on him to solve the pass rush, but there’s no reason to think he still can’t have an important role going forward.

    • Rob Staton says:

      It’s impossible to say. But as someone who really liked his TCU tape there’s no way I’m writing him off after one year.

    • Jace says:

      If Collier has a year like Rasheem Green did this year, would people still consider him a big let down?

      • Rokas says:

        Ofcourse no. Green was decently productive this year. I don’t think we can expect more than that from Collier in year 2.

        • Matt says:

          Collier was a 1st round pick and will be 25. Are you guys really content comparing him to a 21 year old 3rd round pick when it comes to production? Sorry to sound harsh, but this attitude with Collier is perplexing to me. Why would you not expect more from him considering the investment?

          • Jace says:

            I don’t expect more production than that because he showed nothing last year.. Hopefully he stays healthy all year and proves us all wrong. But until he does that, then I am with you Matt on it being a very questionable draft choice, especially that early on in the draft.

      • Matt says:

        Collier will be 25 years old. He doesn’t have time to develop like a 21 year old (Green) did. He’s also a 1st round pick. I think people need to expect significantly more out of an old 1st round pick – simply put, he doesn’t have the growth window that Green has.

        Collier needs to dominate the run game because he will never become a true pass rusher. Honestly, Collier is probably my least favorite pick in the JS era, including Malik McDowell. I will never understand the thought process behind this pick (overaged, athletically limited 5T). At least with McDowell you could say he had a dynamic skill set.

  29. Davido says:

    A note about the mock you did yesterday. I have seen another mock that only had 3 WR in R1. Lamb, Jeudy and Ruggs are locks I believe. You took a very different approach which is fair since this represents the skill of that group.
    I was thinking of arguments to defend the few WR choices:
    1. Teams love linemen. This Oline group is pretty good and a run at them like last year for Dline could make guys fall into R1 that are not seen as sure R1 talents. Maybe teams also rush for the few decent Dlinemen.
    2. the WR group is so deep that teams don’t feel the need of taking one with their first choice and prefer to spend it on another need. Just like you had the Hawks do in yours.
    3. In recent years there were not many WR taken in R1. Last time was 2015 and that group was uhm interesting. (Not too strong of an argument because this group looks special)

    So instead of just throwing another mock into the ring I wanted to give some arguments.

    • Rob Staton says:

      1. I still had linemen going early.

      2. I didn’t have the Hawks ‘prefer’ anything — I had a big run on WR’s (which is very likely to happen) which took away a lot of likely targets.

      3. The last great WR class was 2014 and we saw eight go in the top-50. This is a better class than even that.

      • dcd2 says:

        I wonder if this could be similar to the year of the DB, where we traded down multiple times before we got Shaquill in the 3rd, as the 11 CB taken.

        I can easily see Raegor/Aiyuk sitting there and JS trades down to 31 or so. Raegor comes off the board, and we trade down from 31 to 37. Aiyuk comes off, we take Raekwon and the internet breaks, as the Malik McDowell comparisons roll in. Meanwhile we take KJ Hamler in the 3rd round and he goes on to be a pro-bowler by his 3rd year.

  30. BobbyK says:

    It’s obvious free agency will dictate some/much of what they do in the draft, but the more I think about it – the more I am thinking they will take a RB in the first two days of the draft.

    I remember when Paul Richardson was their #1 pick back in 2014 (early 2nd) and then blew out his ACL in the play-off game. Basically, they knew his 2015 season would be worthless and went out and used their second pick (early 3rd; traded up) the very next season on Tyler Lockett.

    Well, right now all the Seahawks have is a good RB who has never made it through a college or pro season without getting hurt and has fumbling issues. This from a team who talks about how it wants to commit to the run.

    Like Richardson late in the 2014 season, Penny was significantly injured late in his rookie season of 2019 – which basically means, his sophomore campaign will also be pretty worthless.

    I can’t see a team who values running the ball going into a season with an often-injured RB as their only real, legit, or talented option. Never mind the said RB is entering a contract year.

    • BobbyK says:

      With the OL depth in this draft (and two second round picks), I wonder if they would consider trading down from 27 into the early/mid second like they did to get Richardson in ’14 to draft a guy like Dobbins with their first pick? Probably not, but can’t be ruled out.

      • Davido says:

        Imagine they take Dobbins. In the worst case scenario Penny doesn’t come back, Carson has another season with fumble issues and Homer is bad. Now you would have an upgrade with Dobbins over Carson. How big of an upgrade would that ideally be?

        In the “best case” Penny is back where he was when he got injured, Carson is the Carson we know without too many fumbles, Homer is decent enough for a third down back/backup type. Now you add a 4th guy that should expect carries since he is a high draft choice.
        That would be a bit too much for my taste. Especially since we don’t use 2RB sets and those RB don’t really fit that neither.

    • Davido says:

      I feel like im the only one here that is not high on the RB topic. Carson had a good season even with the fumbles there is also no real reason to believe he will always have such fumble issues imo.
      Carson will be healthy going into the season, Penny is on his way back and Homer has shown he can have a role in the team.
      Im not saying they should go into next season only with those three but this seems like the wrong year to shoot a high pick for a RB. The team has other needs and other classes are so good that you want to dip into it.
      For sure we shouldn’t rule it out. Pete loves those RB and if there is one he loves he will probably get him but it would slightly surprise me.

      • Rob Staton says:

        It’s not a case of being ‘high’ or ‘low’ on the RB topic. Some have suggested they might spend a pick on a RB a bit earlier due to the injuries. Some disagree. Given the strength of this RB class early it’s not a preposterous suggestion and it’s worthy of a conversation.

      • BobbyK says:

        I would tend to agree with you if Carson had a proven pedigree of being durable. However, you know for a fact that every year of college and professional football he has played – he’s been injured and missed time. The trend is disturbing and it’s an obvious pattern. You can’t bank on him being healthy for a full season when he’s never once done it these last many years of college and pro football. I’m not saying the Seahawks will take a RB – but it certainly wouldn’t surprise me. Now, if they were to draft a QB, TE, or MLB in the first couple rounds – I would be quite shocked.

        • Davido says:

          Very good and strong arguments. Can’t disagree, still it feels like fixing an issue before knowing it exists. Which could be a smart move though.
          It’s a similar topic to Dissly. Can the team bank on him to be healthy? -No
          Do you want to give up on him? –

          • BobbyK says:

            I’m thinking that if they draft a guy like Dobbins that he’ll play though and receive significant snaps to make it worth it, even if he doesn’t get as many carries/touches as Carson. A second RB for many teams is like the DL. Even though you only have 4 starters, you do have “back-ups” who receive significant snaps during the game. This is totally unlike the OL where you pretty much have your 5 guys and you know if they stay healthy that’ll only be those 5 guys all game long and the back-ups won’t play, unless it’s special teams or something. This is a reason I’ve argued through the years that even if you have 4 good starting DL that it’s also important to have a good quality “starter” as one of your reserves. For example, the year the Seahawks won the Super Bowl, both Bennett and Avril each played in only a little more than 50% of defensive snaps that season. Even if Carson is relatively healthy, they need another good RB if they want to be committed to the run like they want.

            • BobbyK says:

              And who knows with Lynch (or another veteran FA option). Maybe he comes back for one last year and spells Carson as insurance while Penny works to get back at some point the second half of the season. Then maybe they don’t feel the need to take RB in the first two days of the draft. So many different scenarios to ponder.

      • Lewis says:

        Look how stacked we thought we were this year…

        Injuries happen and you can’t have enough. Besides, as pointed out in the mock, we need a Prosise replacement. They aren’t going to reach for something that isn’t there.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Well if they do draft a RB that early I hope his name rhymes with Bride Tedwards Bell Air.

      • Davido says:

        Do you have CEH overall higher than Dobbins? Or just from a Seahawks perspective?

        • Rob Staton says:

          I have CEH ahead of Dobbins. I have CEH as a top-20 player in this draft.

          • Davido says:

            Is combine very relevant for that opinion? Is there something to watch out for on Edwards Helaire?Your the only one I know that is so high on CEH. I like both and would get excited to see them in our unis, sadly I don’t see it coming.

      • BobbyK says:

        I didn’t suggest him because you had him gone in your recent mock before the Seahawks make their pick at 27 (that they’ll probably trade away).

        • fransgeraedts says:

          I am beginning to believe that a committee approach to running back is the way to go anyway. First of all because it protects the players and makes a longer career possible. That in itself should be reason enough. But in terms of the way we play, it maximizes the impact our running backs have on the defense. Imagine not just facing one carson, but facing two or more, that still are fit at the end of a game and still run over you. Subtle differences make it difficult to predict what is coming. And we can still especially in the fourth quarter go with the hot hand. SF did this brilliantly this year. So even if you think carson will be fit at the start and penny not long after…i would like the seahawks to pick a rb somewhere in the second round.

  31. KD says:

    According to Walterfootabll (and i think the Seattle Times) Schneider has met with Hunter Bryant, so there is your first official prospect meeting of the year I believe.

  32. Davido says:

    Bob Condotta tweeted that. Unless KD refers to something else they just had an unofficial talk.


  33. Davido says:

    Something I found interesting in the John Schneider interview was him saying: “If I told you that we were satisfied with the performance I’d be lying.” when asked about the secondary.
    I feel like this is pretty straight forward compared to how they usually talk. Shows that he might see a need there in addition to the obvious Dline issues.

    • BobbyK says:

      That caught my attention, too. More than some of the other stuff.

      • Davido says:

        Imagine a backfield of
        Flowers – Quill – Diggs – Dugger – Blair
        In my fantasy it would make sense since Dugger and Diggs both have played nickel before. Dugger could also be Kendricks 2.0. 3 Safeties out there that like to hit, physicality and speed.
        This could be so fun to watch!

        • Simo says:

          This secondary has potential for sure, but in order to be a special group a few things would need to happen.

          1. Big improvement in year 3 for Flowers. Teams complete passes at a very high percentage against Tre, since he gives such a big cushion. Need a first down on 3rd and 8, just run a fairly simple out to his side and it’s first down!

          2. Also need for Blair to take a big step forward in his understanding of the defense, his positioning, reaction to what the offense is doing, etc. He has athleticism for sure, but needs to display better recognition of what teams are trying to do.

          3. If they draft Dugger, it would be hard to expect very much this year. As we so often see, rookie’s seem to struggle making the jump from college to NFL. It takes a year or two for the light to come on, so he would likely only see special teams snaps in 2020. Nice talent though!

          • Davido says:

            I think we should assume Blair will be a part of our D next year. Draftstock + athletic talent is just too obvious. He also showed something when he was on the field. I think a player can learn a scheme in a full offseason. We still have McDougald that is a premium “backup” and could make the integration of new players smoother.
            I also remain hopeful for Tre. We don’t need him to be a superstar. Compared to the average NFL corner he tackles well, he understands the scheme and doesn’t make too many boneheaded mistakes imo. For a CB2 that could be good enough. There are not many teams with 2 premium corners so he just needs to be serviceable. An improved passrush and more experience will help him a lot I assume.

    • GerryG says:

      Numerous blunders by Hill TT, missed tackles, Flowers PI penalties…

      Lot of wtf moments

  34. Steve Nelsen says:

    I love the comments on this site; so many knowledgeable talent evaluators and people who share what they hear elsewhere. I’m going to start posting “Things I Think I Learned Today” to highlight some of the great points/discussions from Rob and other commentators. I’m going to include the last couple days in this post.

    1. The Seahawks are almost certainly going to draft a WR on Day 2. This is the deepest, most talented group of rookie WRs in draft history. Russell Wilson will get another weapon.

    2. Good news! Will Dissly is expected back for the start of the season. The TE trio of Dissly, Olsen and Hollister means there is no pressure on Seattle to find a TE in the draft. LSU backup TE Stephen Sullivan has a crazy wingspan. He also got positive reviews at the Senior Bowl practices so I will be watching his drills to see if he is a potential Day 3 project.

    3. Russell Wilson and the Seattle locker room championship culture is helping Seattle recruit veterans. Who’s next? (Everson Griffin maybe?)

    4. The Seahawks are almost certainly going to draft a big OT on Day 1 or Day 2 and they will have a lot of guys to choose from. Ifedi and Fant are free agents but this draft is loaded with potential replacements. Fingers crossed for Isaiah Wilson to slip to 27.

    5. Pete Carroll mentioned Jamarco Jones as a potential starter at guard or tackle. Haynes played well in a spot start at the end of the year so Seattle may already have a replacement for Iupati on the roster.

    6. This draft has a lot of mid-round interior OL prospects. If Seattle is looking for potential replacements for Pocic and Hunt, they will have Day 3 options.

    7. Good news! Britt is on track to start the season. This may damper speculation that Britt would be a salary cap casualty with the resulting pressure to find an immediate replacement in free agency or the draft.

    8. Good news! Chris Carson is expected to be ready to start the season. The bad news is that Penny is expected to start the season on PUP. So, Seattle has a need for another RB and seems likely to draft a running back on Day 3. There are a lot of guys who have the size Seattle prefers.

    9. PC and JS both talked about improving Seattle’s pass rush as the top priority for the off season. So Rob has been talking about the right things leading up to the combine.

    10. Speculation about how much it will cost re-sign Jadeveon Clowney is all over the board. But, Seattle very much wants him back. And they want Jarran Reed back too.

    11. Seattle has used one of its top-2 draft picks on a defensive lineman every year for the past 5 years and that trend seems very likely to continue this year. DL is not considered a strength of this draft but so many guys have the length Seattle requires.

    12. Seattle expects both Green and Collier to be valuable parts of the DL rotation this season.

  35. Spencer says:

    Unrelated to the article but PFF has some interesting articles coming out now detailing each position groups FA and Draft outlook, categorized by “Top guys, good value, buyer beware”, etc. Some of the value guys outlined were Stefen Wisniewski and Darqueze Dennard. Would love to see these two guys brought in in the second or third waves of FA on prove it deals.

  36. Ukhawk says:


    Something has been bugging me so quick question.

    Are our Hawks potentially going to be overweight certain positions on the DL thus preventing ourselves from filling out the missing pieces of the pass rush??

    I think an article on the options might be useful. My thoughts are:

    If we have 2 potential 5 techs in Green and Collier already and are looking to resign Clowney and sign a Leo – what’s are the prospective early and passing down DL personnel then?

    Last year we heard noise Clowney may bulk up so would be prospectively be the 5T or even 3T and one of Green or Collier is the man out if we sign a LEO on early downs? Or is JSPS thinking it’s just good to have depth and rotation there?

    On passing downs would potentially 3 3/5Ts be part of a NASCAR alongside a LEO or not?

    Just wondering really if the DL is theoretically too long one position vs short two key pass rush ones – a true pocket collapser inside (Campbell/ Jones ) as a well as a speed rushing LEO. If this is the case should we either 1) not resign a Clowney or 2) look to swap Green for a LEO or 3) stick with having essentially 3 5/3Ts for the time being?

  37. jopa726 says:

    Fyi, the bench press results have been posted for Wide Receivers and Tight Ends.

  38. dcd2 says:

    For the favorites tab: http://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker#day=thursday

    Sortable combine stats for position and drill.

  39. charlietheunicorn says:

    Ripped from NFL . com article


    Edwards-Helaire was among 46 NFL Scouting Combine participants who received requests from teams to perform field drills at an additional position, per a list obtained by NFL.com. Even if only one NFL team wants to see the extra look, the request is presented to the player. Players often decline this opportunity and Edwards-Helaire’s intentions are unclear, but NFL teams asked to see him perform wide receiver drills. The request doesn’t necessarily mean a team projects the player at a different position; sometimes it’s merely a chance to more deeply explore the player’s skill set.

    Very interest8ing to say the least.

  40. charlietheunicorn says:

    oh yeah, let’s keep an eye on a draft darling of ours from years gone by…

    “On September 9, 2019, Obi Melifonwu was waived by the Patriots and re-signed to the practice squad. He signed a reserve/future contract with the Patriots on January 6, 2020.”

    I would still love to get him on the roster somehow… someway…

    • Sea Mode says:

      The ex that we never really let go of… 😜

    • Simo says:

      Unfortunately, I think Obi may simply be another great athlete that doesn’t have good football instincts. These guys seem to come around every year. They tear up the combine and rise up draft boards, but they never make the full transition to NFL football player.

      Seems like he would be a good special teamer at a minimum, with some possible upside at safety!

  41. Perry says:

    Rob what are your thoughts on Marlon Davidson? In Jim Nagy’s Q and A he did on Twitter he was asked what player would be a great fit for them on the DL. He said Marlon Davidson’s versatility would be a great fit. I don’t think he has the arm length listed, but thought Jim saying that was pretty noteworthy.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I was a but surprised by that to be honest. It might be a case of some nice praise for a player who attended the Senior Bowl. Because ultimately he has a stubby, three-technique body but played outside. And yet they often took him off the field on running downs! So he’s neither the dynamic LEO Pete Carroll admitted he wanted to John Clayton yesterday, nor is he the pass rushing plus run defender type to play across. I think he has to convert to three technique but then it’s a major projection. He did have 33 inch arms though. I’d be surprised if Seattle earmarked him as their guy.

    • Matt says:

      I’ve been a little…unimpressed the more I hear Jim Nagy’s input. I think he gets too hung up on intangibles and that really skews his evaluation of guys.

  42. Ryan says:

    Hey Rob,

    I love your website and really appreciate all of the content and effort you put into creating some a great community. I have one small ask/recommendation, as you’re going through player comparisons such as measurements or combine stats would it be possible to put the information into a table format? I think this would be easier to consume as a reader especially when you’re trying to compare against potential draftees.

  43. Rob Staton says:

    Jonathan Taylor:

    — Met with the Seahawks for an official interview
    — Says he would love to play for the Seahawks
    — When asked which person he was most star struck meeting at the combine, said it was Pete Carroll at his interview
    — When asked which player he wants to play with the most, said Russell Wilson

    Lots of fumbles but ideal size for a Seahawks runner. And ideal Seahawks personality.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Definitely hits their ideals so far. We’ll see how he jumps, but I think it’s a pretty easy projection.

      And I guess if you take into account that he has about twice as many carries as the other RBs, the fumble totals might not look that bad?

      • Kingdome1976 says:

        Taylor would look sooo good in a Hawks uniform. Dynamic one cut RB as well.

        • Rob Staton says:

          Soooo many fumbles though.

          • GerryG says:

            Yeah, fumbles are something I cannot get passed. It was probably the most frustrating part of last years team. Drove me more crazy than penalties, more nuts than the really bad defense/pass rush. I just imagine bringing another player with fumble problems; Carson clearly has problems already.

            • drewdawg11 says:

              Fumbles are one of those weird things that can be coached to a point, but sometimes it just happens in bunches and we also need to look at the volume of touches he had in his three seasons. Wisconsin’s offense was built around him, and he was getting tons of carries late in games while he was tired. Sometimes its simply concentration and sometimes its a fluke. 16 in a career is bad, but the guy touched the ball 30 times a game. Carson’s fumbles are significant as well. Lynch was known to put the ball on the ground at some key moments. As a pure player, Jonathan is a stud and while I don’t think we will be drafting him, I would love for him to be a Seahawk. I’ve spent the last month pounding the table for Clyde because he’s an excellent football player and I was hopeful that he may fall down a little bit so that we would have a shot. Taylor is a kid that you would need to go top 38-40. That is likely his floor. If he runs 4.40 or better, he’s going higher.

              • Kingdome1976 says:

                So J. Taylor had the 2nd most carries out of all the RB’s but had the second most fumbles. Interesting thing is that he this seems to be the only year he had so many fumbles. Maybe a fluke?

    • bigten says:

      how early would they take a RB tho? presumably (well see after combine) Taylor will be picked ahead of Dobbins, CEH, and others. I could see them passing on Dobbins and CEH unfortunately due to the size (Dobbins was much smaller than i thought he would be) but just seems like early second is where Taylor is likely to land

      • I just cant see it until pick 100 or beyond.

        • Eburgz says:

          They took C-Mike with their first pick in round 2 in 2013 when Lynch was in his prime. Pete loves to stockpile running backs and they’ve shown a willingness to invest major resources at the position. Considering the injuries to Penny and Carson I’d be surprised if we didn’t take one before the first 100 picks. Penny won’t be back to start the season and Carson hasn’t been able to stay healthy. Everyone assumes he comes back strong from the broken hip (myself included) but Delano had a similar injury and didn’t look the same last year, and we’ve seen with Rawls how one injury can derail a RB’s career.

          Taylor is my favorite back in the draft and I wouldn’t be mad if we took him with our first pick after a trade down (assuming RT and DL aren’t gaping holes after FA).

  44. Sea Mode says:

    Someone a few people on SDB liked falls well short of length requirements:

    Tulsa CB Reggie Robinson III

    Height: 6-0 7/8
    Weight: 205
    Hand: 8 3/8
    Arm: 31 4/8
    Wingspan: 75 5/8

    Honestly, I’m not that into him anyways after watching Sr. Bowl 1v1s. Didn’t stand out in any way to me.

    In the meantime, oh baby!

    Ohio State CB Jeff Okudah

    Height: 6-1 1/8
    Weight: 205
    Hand: 9 1/8 (left), 8 4/8 (right, pinky deformation)
    Arm: 32 5/8
    Wingspan: 78 5/8

  45. Sea Mode says:

    Yes! My guy officially hit the 77.5 wingspan too. He was measured just short at the Sr. Bowl (77 1/8).

    Iowa CB Michael Ojemudia

    Height: 6-0 5/8
    Weight: 200
    Hand: 8 7/8
    Arm: 32 2/8
    Wingspan: 77 6/8

  46. Kingdome1976 says:

    Off topic.

    I realize that Clowney really has not missed that many games over the last 3 years but does anybody here get the feeling like he’s the type of player that will miss games more often than other players for whatever reason?

    Just been thinking about it.

  47. Sea Mode says:

    Folks, we’ve got several qualifying CBs in addition to the ones from the Sr. Bowl.

    Strangely enough, it looks like almost everyone got at least 1/2 inch bump in wingspan at the Combine with respect to the Sr. Bowl, but some like Reggie Robinson lost almost a full inch in arm length.

    So our full list of official qualifiers so far is:

    Qualifiers from the Combine:

    CB Jeff Okudah, Ohio St., 6011, 205, 9 1/8 hand, 32 5/8 arm, 78 5/8 wing
    CB Trevon Diggs, Alabama, 6013, 205, 9 3/8 hand, 32 3/4 arm, 78 3/8 wing
    CB BoPete Keyes, Tulane, 6007, 202, 8 3/4 hand, 32 5/8 arm, 78 1/4 wing
    S Kyle Dugger, Lenoir-Rhyne, 6007, 217, 10 3/8 hand, 32 7/8 arm, 78 1/2 wing
    CB Bryce Hall, Virginia, 6012, 202, 9 5/8 hand, 32 1/4 arm, 78 1/2 wing
    CB Lamar Jackson, Nebraska, 6020, 208, 9 1/2 hand, 32 1/4 arm, 77 7/8 wing
    S Jeremy Chinn, Southern Illinois, 6030, 221, 9 5/8 hand, 32 1/8 arm, 77 5/8 wing
    CB Michael Ojemudia, Iowa, 6005, 200, 8 7/8 hand, 32 1/4 arm, 77 3/4 wing

    Qualifier from the Shrine Game:

    S David Dowell, Michigan St., 6000, 199, 9 1/8 hand, 32 1/2 arm, 80 wing


    Next category we have are guys who came close to one or both of arm length (at least 31.5) and wingspan (at least 76).

    Close from the Combine:

    S Jaylinn Hawkins, California, 6005, 208, 9 1/2 hand, 31 3/4 arm, 77 1/8 wing
    S Jalen Elliott, Notre Dame, 6003, 205, 9 1/8 hand, 31 3/4 arm, 76 5/8 wing
    CB Harrison Hand, Temple, 5111, 197, 9 1/8 hand, 31 3/4 arm, 76 3/8 wing
    S J.R. Reed, Georgia, 6003, 202, 9 7/8 hand, 32 1/2 arm, 76 3/8 wing
    CB Stanford Samuels, Florida St., 6010, 187, 10 1/8 hand, 31 3/4 arm, 76 3/8 wing

    Close from the Sr. Bowl:

    S Brian Cole II, Mississippi State, 6017, 205, 10 hand, 3200 arm, 76 1/8 wing

    Close from the Shrine Game:

    CB Luq Barcoo, San Diego St., 6001, 172, 9 hand, 31 3/4 arm, 76 1/8 wing
    S Patrick Nelson, S.M.U., 5111, 213, 9 1/4 hand, 31 3/4 arm, 77 wing
    S Jeremiah Dinson, Auburn, 5111, 189, 9 1/2 hand, 31 5/8 arm, 76 1/8 wing

  48. Steve Nelsen says:


    I don’t recall you ever writing about hand size with respect to Seattle WRs. Is there any correlation? I was looking at Antonio Gibson and he would seem to check a lot of boxes but when I saw his hand size it made me wonder how that compared to PCJS receivers.