Five of the grittiest 2017 eligible draft prospects

December 9th, 2016 | Written by Rob Staton

ESPN’s Sheil Kapadia published a really insightful piece today and I’d highly recommend checking it out.

Kapadia details the influence of author Ryan Holiday and his book ‘Ego is the Enemy’ on the Seahawks. We’ve often talked about Seattle’s penchant for players with ‘grit’.

Kapadia notes:

Carroll and Schneider have become infatuated with building a culture of grit and have researched how to identify those traits during the pre-draft process.

Holiday visited Seahawks training camp in August and discussed with Schneider the idea of finding players who have overcome obstacles on their way to the NFL.

“We were talking about that in the sense that if you make it in the NFL, you’ve already been really good at football at different stages in your life,” Holiday said. “You were good in high school. You were good in college. But undoubtedly, this is going to be the hardest thing you’ve ever done. So if you fall to pieces, if that’s the first time that you’ve ever bumped into your capacities as a human being, that’s a really bad time for that to happen.

“So I think one of the reasons they probably look for adversity is the same reason … wouldn’t you rather find out what you’re made of when everything wasn’t on the line? I think that’s why they look at that.”

Increasingly we’ve tried to identify players possessing ‘gritty’ characteristics. Backstories, tales of adversity. Combine that with physical ideals and you’re generally on the right track.

We’ve talked about some of these players many times before — but I think it’s worth revisiting how they fit the ‘grit’ factor in light of Sheil’s piece…

Shalom Luani (S, Washington State)

Luani, originally from American Samoa, travelled to the U.S. alone in 2012 with no house, no scholarship and about $400 in his pocket trying to realise his dream of playing college football.

He’d previously played soccer, rugby and football for his country at international level, competing in tournaments like the IFAF U-19 World Championship. He moved to America and gambled on his own ability. As Stefanie Loh explains, “His plan was to get to the mainland, play in the U-19 tournament, and then figure out a way to stay in the U.S. and play football somewhere.”

He ended up playing for Chabot College while living in a garage in a house homing 20 players, a situation he describes as a “ghetto”. When they were evicted, a chance encounter led to an opportunity in the JUCO’s and then eventually a shot in the NCAA. Nothing has been handed to Luani. Nothing has been easy. He’s had to work for this career. That’s grit.

Luani has played safety and nickel so he has some versatility. He’s been touted as a possible ‘deathbacker’ too — earning praise from the man who virtually invented the position (Deone Bucannon). He’s a playmaker — he has eight interceptions in the last two seasons with 8.5 TFL’s in 2016 alone and two sacks.

Before the Apple Cup, Pete Carroll made reference that the Seahawks had been watching Washington State closely this year. Could they be keeping an eye on Luani?

Garett Bolles (T, Utah)

Bolles has battled adversity throughout his life — some of it self-inflicted. He had a difficult childhood before turning to drugs and crime. He was eventually arrested for vandalism, kicked out of the house by his father and taken in by another family.

He’s since completely turned his life around in a similar fashion to Bruce Irvin — going through the JUCO’s and being courted by virtually every major college in the NCAA. The story is well explained in this video.

There’s no question in my mind that Bolles is the best left tackle in college and is destined to go in round one. Is it realistic he falls to the Seahawks if he declares? Possibly not. What works in their favour is the fact he turns 25 next May so he’s not necessarily a 10-year option in the NFL. Tony Pauline ranks him as a borderline first rounder.

He’s a physical tone-setter — a terrific run blocker with the balance, loose hips and athletic profile to excel in pass-pro. He’s a bully on the field and now a family man off it, expecting his first child with his wife.

He just screams ‘Seahawks’ and he might be the most underrated player in college football.

Haason Reddick (LB, Temple)

In High School, Reddick suffered a fractured femur and missed an entire season. Upon his return, he suffered a torn meniscus. With no tape to impress potential landing spots in college, he went to Temple University with the intention of becoming a regular student.

His father grew up in Camden with one of the Owls’ assistants — Francis Brown — and put in a good word for him. He was offered the chance to walk-on.

Even then it wasn’t plain sailing. He was told there was no place for him on the team. A change of coaching staff from Al Golden’s crew to Matt Rhule’s led to one last chance and he took it and eventually earned a scholarship.

The rest is history. In 2016 he has 21.5 TFL’s in 13 games, 9.5 sacks, an interception and three forced fumbles. He needs two more TFL’s in the Bowl game against Wake Forest to set a single season school record. He helped Temple win their first Conference Championship in program history last weekend.

At his junior pro-day, Reddick reportedly ran a 4.47 at 6-1 and 235lbs. He also supposedly had a 10-10 in the broad jump and a 36-inch vertical. That’s special.

He’s a hybrid linebacker/DE (and actually started as a defensive back at Temple) and could fit in nicely as a SAM/LEO. He speaks like a grown man and has the personality to survive in Seattle.

D’Onta Foreman (RB, Texas)

Foreman is a twin. His brother Armanti was a highly coveted national recruit, drawing interest from schools like Alabama, Florida and LSU. D’Onta was a two-star recruit according to Rivals.

The story about the brothers landing at Texas is incredible. This piece by Chris Hummer illustrates the journey.

If you want the condensed version, D’Onta was essentially a pawn in the battle to recruit Armanti. According to Hummer’s piece, former Texas Head Coach Mack Brown sat both brothers down and told them: “You’re a good player D’Onta… Armanti, you’re a great player.”

Eventually, Texas reportedly told Armanti if he committed to them they’d offer his brother a scholarship too. Neither brother really wanted it to go down like that.

According to Hummer, D’Onta ran a sub-4.5 forty that at least partly convinced Texas they were getting a player they could work with. What I’ve written down here is only scratching the surface. Foreman’s father’s colourful language in the article to describe the Longhorns is indicative of the ill-feeling.

Neverthless, the situation has evidently served as motivation for the lesser rated brother. This year he ran for 2028 yards and scored 15 touchdowns.

I feel like I have a lot to prove to the people who didn’t think I was going to be what I am now.

Sounds gritty to me.

Dalvin Tomlinson (DT, Alabama)

Tomlinson’s father died when he was five and his mother passed away in 2011. This article by Terrin Waack highlights how important she was in his life. He writes ‘RIP MOM‘ on his wrist tape for games, stating: “She’s the reason I’m here… I want to give respect to her because she can’t be at the games like everybody else’s moms.”

He tore knee ligaments while playing soccer in High School. In 2013, as a redshirt freshman, he suffered a similar injury in his other knee. He’s been through a lot.

Nick Saban: “You’re talking about a guy that is a great example of perseverance… He always seems to make the obstacle the way to get better and improve: as fine a person and as fine a young man as you’re ever going to find.”

Tomlinson isn’t like most defensive tackles either. He has a passion for art and music, playing several instruments. Don’t doubt his physical skills though. He’s a punishing, physical tough guy with good gap control. He has great length and size (6-3, 308lbs, 33 1/4 inch arms, 10 inch hands) and he has a terrific physique with minimal bad weight. He’s a former four-star recruit with a background including track & field and wrestling. You know the Seahawks love that, not to mention the ‘grit’.

328 Responses to “Five of the grittiest 2017 eligible draft prospects”

  1. C-Dog says:

    Rob, outside of Bolles, do you think any of these other guys would be a consideration R1?

  2. CharlieTheUnicorn says:

    Shalom Luani (S, Washington State)

    Had a minor scrape with the law this prior season. He is only 6’0 198 and listed primarily as a SS, but could play some FS. Only thing I can find of measurables is that he is expected to be a 4.4-4.5 40 type of guy. I was actually trying to find where he is projected…. and I’m seeing 6-7th round or UDRFA. If he is indeed around in the 6th round…. and the Seahawks still have a few comp picks left to burn…. why not. He is someone I’ve been eying as a later round type of Seattle.. and an earlier round type of safety I think Seattle would HAVE TO BE intrigued with would be Connecticut SS Obi Melifonwu … who is projected round 2-4 range. Heck, I would draft both if I had my hands on the draft button!

    • daniel says:

      Wouldn’t Luani be a little small to play deathbacker/strong safety?

    • Rob Staton says:

      Luani’s listed at 6-0 and 205lbs by ESPN. Troy Polamalu was only 5-10 and 207lbs.

      I will be surprised if he lasts until round six personally. I would envisage a round three type range depending on his combine.

      Melifonwu, if he tests as expected at the combine, will go in round one.

    • Ukhawk says:

      Luann play bigger than his size. Really like his tackling technique and how he strikes the ballcarrier.

    • j says:

      His “scrape with the law” was when he got jumped outside a Domino’s. When police showed up, the only witnesses were the same dudes who jumped him. No charges were filed.

    • AndrewP says:

      Re: The incident this spring… He had three frat bros in his face shoving him and he finally fought back after telling them two or three times to stop… This is not conjecture, it’s on the security tape at the restaurant it occurred. Upon seeing the tape and affirming stories from several eye-witnessses, the Whitman County prosecutor dropped the charges, and did so rather quickly. Fighting and/or brawling is not ok, but, I think most people would’ve found themselves with the same result.

      Re: His play; when WSU had injury/suspension issues at LB Shalom found himself at LB and even the LOS this year and more than held his own fighting off blocks of Pac12 OL-men. He was a four-star recruit coming out of JC, and if tests well, I’d say even 2nd RD isn’t out of the question.

  3. Turnagaintide says:

    I’ve read both of the aforementioned books by Ryan Holiday and they are both excellent. ‘The Obstacle is the Way’ is one of my personal favorites. Highly recommend reading it as it circulated through both the Seahawks and Patriots organizations during that Super Bowl year few years ago.

  4. Jon O says:

    Good article Rob. Hard to talk about gritty, strong-willed potential Hawks without mentioning James Connor and his battle with cancer. Be curious what he runs if he chooses to enter the draft.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Connor has definitely shown a lot of grit. I wanted to limit it to five and try and pick five guys who might be on Seattle’s radar. I’m not sold on Connor being a possible SEA target personally.

      On a different topic, I dedicated some proper time tonight to Zach Cunningham. Wow.

      • WALL UP says:

        I’m enamored as well. If the’re close in the 1st rd, they should go get him! Would be the best LBs in the game bar none, a perfect mix!

  5. sdcoug says:

    If we’re talking grit, sign me up for some Gabe Marks too. He would fit our WR crew like a glove

  6. Tim says:

    Hey Rob, you’ve been banging for the Seahawks to pick Bolles in the draft as their 1st pick, whether it be 1st or 2nd round. And we all can see why. He plays with grit and is a tone-setter. But in the likelihood that he’s off the board when it’s our turn, who’s the next player you think the Seahawks are looking at? I honestly wouldn’t want a running back as our first pick since I want Rawls and CJ to be our backs going forward. Do we get the next best DE or we go for Budda Baker? Who’s the next “it” guy?

  7. Tim says:

    Hey Rob, you’ve been banging for the Seahawks to pick Bolles in the draft as their 1st pick, whether it be 1st or 2nd round. And we all can see why. He plays with grit and is a tone-setter. But in the likelihood that he’s off the board when it’s our turn, who’s the next player you think the Seahawks are looking at? I honestly wouldn’t want a running back as our first pick since I want Rawls and CJ to be our backs going forward. Do we get the next best DE or we go for Budda Baker? Who’s the next “it” guy?

  8. Austin Hall says:

    Are there any FB prospects worth drafting at any point? Seattle seems destined to add another FB to the competition. I know they liked Cottom before they sent him to IR. I assume they’ll have him as the frontrunner in the 2017 competition, but it will need some more depth. I would definitely like to get excited about a FB prospect if you’ve found any.

    • Austin Hall says:

      The more I think about it now I’m not sure who was leading the training camp competition and sustained an injury and then subsequently IR’d. Maybe it was Madden? Whoever it was they’ll need some competition because I know they’re hoping to improve their next season. Hawks have a history of FB’s being fan favorites with guy’s like Mack Strong, Leonard unbelievable and too short of a career Weaver, and Mike Robinson.

      • 503Hawk says:

        What ever happened to Weaver?

        • Austin Hall says:

          I remember the Eagles signing him (stealing him from us) and then he had a career ending injury a season or two later. I don’t recall the injury.

          • Volume12 says:

            Florida St FB Freddie Stevenson
            BYU FB Algernon Brown
            VA-Tech FB Sam Rogers

            More of an H-back or TE, but if you want an a** kicker in the run blocking department, Iowa’s George Kittle could be your guy.

            • C-Dog says:

              I’d love to see Freddie Stevenson in Seahawks blue.

            • Austin Hall says:

              So I checked them out. I like George Kittle and Agernon Brown. They were both looking for contact and had some vicious collisions. An a** kicker in the run blocking department is the most important characteristic in the Seahawk FB makeup. I’d like to see the team keep drafting players that can help them become the league’s biggest group of bullies.

              • Volume12 says:

                Sam Rogers is like a Cooper Helfet type guy. Just a football player. Does a lot of things well, but master of none.

                Stevenson might be the most athletic of the bunch and is more of that hybrid FB/RB Seattle seems to want to get.

            • Kenny Sloth says:

              Idk anything about him but the Georgia FB laid some solid blocks for a smaller guy.

  9. Seahawcrates says:

    Sheil’s article helped me consider why for Pete and John it’s always been more than metrics and production and character (whatever that means). In my classroom I will have well- trained, advantaged students who are risk averse and are inflexible when I challenge them to think differently about what we read and how they write. They have ALWAYS been successful and are often antagonistic to change (what I see as growth). They express terror at failure and revert back time and again to what has worked for them.
    For always successful athletes I imagine much is similar. They reach the peak and are confronted for the first time with coaches asking/demanding growth because what has always worked won’t be enough anymore. And for many of those players this is their first real test of that. It’s an existential crises really as they face the possibility they aren’t enough, they are not what they have always thought themselves to be.
    Players who have had real obstructions, have learned grit at another level. They have stared at failure and continued past it, found ways to somehow make it through to the other side. Those players are going to be open to a culture of competition. I think that’s why Pete’s total philosophy works so well for them. It makes sense. It is how they have survived and thrived and Pete puts it at the center and cradles it with respect, fun, dignity, and brotherhood.
    I think it helps explain the abundance (beyond terrific evaluation) of undrafted free agents who stick with the team. Pete and John look for the athletes who have already gone through the crucible because when the fires rain down, as they inevitably will at this level, those players will have the resource of knowing they have survived before and can again. It’s the resiliency after Tampa Bay and against Green Bay in 2014, and in the second halves against Atlanta (2012) and Carolina (2015).
    It’s a trait that is easy to overlook when you focus exclusively or at least too much on success and results.

  10. Volume12 says:

    There’s too many variables in a football game. Football is a game of adversity. Its going to challenge you. Hence the word ‘GAME.’

    If youve dealt with real life issues, fight through it, and came out stronger for it, then when those setbacks and obstacles happen in a GAME, its easy to overcome and a motivational tactic for player and coach.

    If an injury happens, how bad do you want to get back to this game you love that’s provided opportunities for you and your family? Because if you’ve dealt with some of the things PCs guys have in their past, that part of football becomes easy. Or easier.

    Either get tough or lay down. PC wants players impacted by life. This is a boy’s game, but won by grown men.

  11. Ukhawk says:

    Not ironic that a lot more of these grit players have overcome injury & lack of ideal measurables. Gritty but undersized is the theme for a few. That’s why Bowles is so interesting; grit + bully + measurable + fundamentals

  12. Volume12 says:

    I went back and watched LB Zach Cunningham (a few comments made me). He’s different isn’t he? Not your typical LB. Lean, long, and built like a BBall player. For me, he’s a late 1st-early 2nd. I was probably a bit harsh on him. Was also considering Auburn & Oregon, 4 star recruit.

    Plays a little high, goes around rather than through blockers but that’s OK, hand placement is off but easily fixable, as is his tackling. Likes to grab the shoulders, but again something that a good coach can fix. But, he finds a way to finish and I like that.

    However, keep this guy clean and let him play in space? Wow! He’s fast and very physical. Love his strike too. Violent hands.

    What do I mean by different? He’s a 3 down LB that doesn’t pass rush. He’s a blitzer, but there’s a big difference between the two.

    He’s multi-dimensional. Can match WR’s, can play on the LOS and makes most ot his tackles within a few yards of the LOS, great STs ability. Huge plus there. And can get back into zone coverage quickly when up on the line.

    Can match RBs outta the backfield with safety help over the top, dude runs like a deer, very good anticipation and ability to read, react, and diagnose.

    Sideline to sideline ‘backer, with explosion and a great mindset (smart kid if he’s at Vandy).

    He might be the ideal versatile 4-3 off the ball SAM LB. As I said, he’s much more unique than I gave him credit for.

    And then there’s this. Who else would they be looking at that early in the season from Vandy?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RWhiteFox17/status/762412501233393666

    • Ukhawk says:

      Yep, he & McDowell were the 2 guys I don’t think are (too) overrated from your list.

      Trying to figure out a comp for him – thought Jamie Collins but think Collins rushed the passer better coming out.

      I think Cunningham will test very well.

      I’d prefer OL or DL pass rush in R1. My only issue is not him but the fact that I undervalue a pure SAM so high in R1 and think there is a bit of overlap re: KJ in terms of coverage ability. Would rather get someone like Williams, McKinley, Phillips to play that Irvin role. Otherwise think u can pickup a prospect later for SAM without too much dropoff (Reddick?). Now if he fell to R2….

      • DC says:

        The funniest thing to me about the “Bruce Irvin role” is that Bruce wasn’t drafted to play that role. He was drafted to be a LEO, aka the Chris Clemons role. It didn’t work out there and fortunately Bruce was able to transition to SAM.

      • Volume12 says:

        Im still not high on McDowell. He could be Nkemdiche 2.0. There’s questions about his effort and his character.

        I see a lot of potential in him, but not a 1st rounder for me.

    • C-Dog says:

      Volume, Seattle used to be able to stay in it’s base D more when Bruce was in town, and in the days of Malcom Smith, when most other Ds would probably shift into nickel. Always thought that was an underrated aspect of the defense. Do you feel like Cunningham would afford the D this kind ability? The kid looks athletic as hell.

      • Volume12 says:

        Yeah, I do. He’s a fantastic run defender. He’d kill 2 birds with one stone so to speak.

        Very unique.

        Last year we all thought, at least me and a few others did, they wouldn’t take a 2 down run stuffer at DT before the 3rd. Well, they did. I’m not necessarily saying they’ll take a SAM in round 1 or 2, but if they did it would make sense.

        • Volume12 says:

          I also think there’s a lot of Bruce Irvin in Haason Reddick and Marquis Haynes too. Although Haynes could be an undersized Anthony Barr at the next level.

          The Senior Bowl is gonna be huge for Reddick. Coverage wise and playing at the POA in the run game.

          • C-Dog says:

            Yeah, Reddick is someone I am very high on right now. I am very intrigued with the fact he started out as a cornerback and worked his way into being an edge rusher. I think Bruce Irving first started out as a safety. So, on that level, they seem comparable.

            Haynes is also interesting.

            I think they could find a 2 down SAM in middle rounds, but I just wonder if they want someone more special there, more interchangeable. Pete Carroll also seems to stress the importance of versatility, players able to play multiple positions. My hunch is that they would want to SAM to also be able to play LEO, but maybe with Cunningham, he’s not an edge rusher, but a blitzer and coverage guy, maybe his unique versatility is the ability to play all 3 LB spots if needed, knowing they have depth of Clark, Marsh, and Moore if they resign him.

            • Volume12 says:

              I’m talking the athletic, dynamic, play in space, ability to get after the passser comparable aspect.

              Haynes rushes with a reckless abandon and style, much like Bruce did.

              I also liked the fact that Vandy HC Derek Mason said that Cunningham is the smartest guy (preparation, film study, football IQ), he’s had since Richard Sherman. Actually compared the 2.

        • brseahawks says:

          I don’t think they ever saw Jarran Reed as a mere 2-down run stuffer prospect.

    • Ground_Hawk says:

      Vol, I agree with your comment, “he’s a 3 down LB that doesn’t pass rush. He’s a blitzer, but there’s a big difference between the two.” Cunningham does such a great job with stopping the run, and I think that is why he has some many tackles and TFLs. He makes life hard for RB’s driving up the middle. I think this aspect of his game, and what looks like great athletic abilities, are why he could go in the 1st.

  13. AlaskaHawk says:

    Leonard Fournette has some competition with Christian McCaffrey declaring for the draft. They are both first round talent. If one of them were to fall to the Seahawks it would be a tough choice between two potentially elite running back or needs on the offensive and defensive line. I would lean toward going for a game changer and add another running back (even though I love Rawls). Especially if the back was McCaffrey who I see as being more versatile of the two, he had 37 receptions for 310 yards this year.

    I wouldn’t consider Dalvin Cook as he has problems hanging on to the ball.

    Of the big running backs that can be had in the mid to late rounds, I like Foreman with Texas (ROb has profiled him) and Perin with Oklahoma. Either one could fit into that tough running back role with very little draft stock needed.

    I do like Rawls and am convinced he is the back of the future if he can stay healthy, but that is a big if.
    Any thoughts?

    • Rik says:

      I don’t think Foreman lasts beyond round 2, and I don’t think Samaje Perine lasts beyond round 4. They’ve both had too many big days (+200 yard games) on the field to slip past run-hungry teams.

      Fournette can be a work-horse back, but I don’t see McCaffrey the same way. I’d rather pick Foreman than McCaffrey, regardless of round. I’d like us to pick up a big, strong back with burst, a Chris Ivory type of player to fill out the backfield.

    • icb12 says:

      I’d take McCaffery. And I’d run to the freaking podium if he was still available.
      He’s not popular around this community. But I personally think he’s special and could continue to be In Seattle.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Fournette and Cook will got top-15. Fournette is a top-10 lock.

      McCaffrey probably late first. 20’s I think.

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      I’m adding Conner and Coleman to my list of mid to late round running backs. Once you get past the top two, it’s just a matter of seeing who is available when the Seahawks are ready to pick a running back. It wouldn’t surprise me if one of the two I jus named is available UDFA.

  14. DC says:

    I wanted to take a look ahead to the 2017 off season cap wise to see what we have to play with. At first glace things seemed promising with an estimated $32M in cap space based on a $166M cap projection per OTC. Then we start to trim it down.

    Note, this post is only an exercise to show how quickly cap space evaporates, not a prediction of events.

    2016 current cap space $6M rounded.
    2016 draft picks $7M rounded.
    2016 UDFA $3M rounded.

    Applying this year’s #s forward we get an estimate of $16M allocated for 2017, leaving $16M of available cap space.

    Now on to our own Unrestricted Free Agents. Of this group only Hauschka and Willson will likely be more than low to minimum salary guys. I can only guess that Hauschka would get a slight raise to about $3M unless the Hawks risk looking for a new K. Willson is more of a mystery. He’s not a core player by any means but losing him would create another thin spot. $$$ wise? Idk. $3.5M in his first year with a new contract?

    Of the RFA group, Shead is surely a keeper. Slotting him in with a 2nd round tender at the 2016 price tag of $2.6M. He is too valuable to let another team snipe him.

    So of our own FAs that is another $9.1M of space, leaving $6.9M to deal with possible extension candidates.

    Seattle will at least mull over extending Bennett, Chancellor & Britt this off season.
    Michael Bennett is slated for a 2017 cap hit of $9.65M. Does he get an extension and a boost up to $12M? That’s another $2.35M.
    Kam Chancellor is slated for $8.125M. Would he get $10M, an additional $1.875M?
    Justin Britt is set to earn $1.1M. An extension might boost him up to $2.5M in 2017? That’s an additional $1.4M.

    With 3 extensions in the 2017 off season we’ve added another $5.625M leaving the team with a paltry $1.275M to fill out the roster.

    Obviously this isn’t the way things will go down. It is an eye opener though as I don’t feel like I’ve used outlandish numbers for anyone. There are difficult decisions to come. One thing is for sure, this 2017 draft is absolutely critical. Our comp pick fountain is looking like it’s dwindling down to a trickle or an end in 2018.

    • Volume12 says:

      If TE Vance McDonald just got 5 years, $35 mil, ya gotta wonder what Luke will get.

      Luke would be the only guy to get us a comp pick in 2018 as well.

      Ya gotta figure in another $4 mil or so from the guys that aren’t resigned.

      JS will work his magic once again.

      • Volume12 says:

        I think McCray is gone. They seem to like Powell.

        I also agree with Davis Hsu. ET and Kam probably both miss a few games a year from here on out, but as he said, Seattle will re-do the deals smartly with game bonuses and what not.

        Shead is an interesting case. If they tender him, its basically a 1 year deal. By then Shead will be what 30 years old? Who do they have on the roster that can play the boundary with size opposite Sherm? That’s why I think they’ll dip into the talent pool at corner this year and groom a guy to take over for Shead in a year or whatever.

        • Attyla the Hawk says:

          I wouldn’t sleep on Deandre Elliott who is on the roster. He’s got that size and length and Seattle kept him on the 53 over some other more familiar names. He played some before getting injured. They clearly liked what they saw from him in camp and to start the season.

          We also have some talent stashed (Seisay/SJB) on IR. So the CB pool is pretty deep depth wise.

          Not that I wouldn’t expect them to get some with the DB talent in this draft. I do think though that they’ll go safety earlier. Talent in both pools and the rollover is slated to occur sooner at safety.

          I would expect that CB will come day three. The relative depth there is good.

          • Volume12 says:

            Until Seisay & SJB actually show something, I disagree the CB depth is good.

            Elliott looks like a nickel corner to my eye, Thorpe is pretty damn good however.

            I agree that day 3 will be when they select a corner

        • WALL UP says:

          Rasul Douglas is a good look, with a pick I thought would go last year, Brandon Facyson. Both fit the mold.

          • Volume12 says:

            Yeah, I like both those guys. Douglas looks like a 3rd rounder though.

            Colorado’s Ahkello Witherspoon is someone I like a lot. 6’3, 195 lbs., and 20 PBU!? Wow.

            I wanna see this Ezra Robinson, CB, Tennessee St. He’s a SR bowl invite, transfer from Michigan St. Could be another Rashard Robinson type. Who has been one of the day 3 gems of last years draft.

      • DC says:

        That’s a lot of coin for McDonald! Well if Luke gets that kind of money I highly doubt it’s from Seattle.

        On the extension front, I don’t see Britt or Chancellor as major threats to leave the team. December extensions for both of them would not surprise me.

        Bennett though would jump ship if the money was right. He’s most likely of the 3 to receive a summertime extension.

    • Sea Mode says:

      That’s perfect in my book, DC. Just extend our own guys and keep this group together longer. Fill the rest in with the talent we have developing on PS and IR stash.

      Willson is the only one I don’t see the extension for, unless it’s a real bargain bin deal. Vannett takes his blocking role and McEvoy his size/speed on routes.

  15. CharlieTheUnicorn says:

    We have been identifying traits people think the Seattle looks for in grit…… I’ve got a guy I was just reading an article about on NFL.com…. and if this guy doesn’t sound like a Seahawk, then I don’t know who does…… Pitt RB James Conner intends to enter 2017 NFL Draft. (Eddie Lacy clone)

    • DC says:

      Looking for late round RBs that might fit the Seahawks I was intrigued by Conner’s story and his size (and the left side of Pitt’s OL). Conner, Western Kentucky’s Leon Allen & WVU’s Rushel Shell were all guys that I watched film of and just went ehhh… They all get brought down much too easily imo.

      On the other hand, BYU’s Jamaal Williams who is currently injured (he would fit right in with our current guys) and UW’s Lavon Coleman are 2 that I like a lot for their running style and could see as potential later round picks or UDFA.

    • RealRhino2 says:

      Why does Conner sound like a Seahawk?

  16. Ukhawk says:

    Gotta do a write up on this guy…… A-Takk. Physically a perfect LEO IMO

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pGZhIE42Ess

  17. Volume12 says:

    Anyone else watchin’ this Sounders game?

    • Volume12 says:

      Actually, that was a great read. Very cool stuff.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Haha, just came here to post link to this same article. Glad I read through the comments first!

      I would highlight this paragraph:

      “Basically I was doing a varied regression formula, and what we were looking at was the amount of yards necessary on a single play to significantly raise the scoring probability,” Eayrs explained. “Essentially what it came out to was that for a run, it was 12-and-change, for a pass, it was about 15.9… If we take the field and we allow our opponent no pass play greater than 15 yards and no run play greater than 11, essentially probability dictates, looking at the NFL historically, you’ll probably give up 11 or 12 points in that game, simply because that 12-to-15-play drive on average only occurs once per game.

  18. Coleslaw says:

    What do you guys think about drafting Lamar Jackson as a receiver later in the draft? I don’t think he goes higher than the 4th since he has to change positions most likely. 6’3″ 205, obviously going to test great at the combine. I want this kid on the roster.

    • Volume12 says:

      He’s not eligible. True SO

    • CharlieTheUnicorn says:

      He has a chance at QB imo. Not perfect, but the college has produced some decent QBs along the way. As previously mentioned, he is a Sophomore. If he continues to produce in the CFB, then he might be worth a later round flier by a team…. say Seattle. He would not be expected to start and could learn for 2-3 years. This was the GB way for many years, so I think this might be likely… developmental QB drafted every 2-3 years.

      • Coleslaw says:

        He definitely has arm talent and potential but I personally think he’d max out his skill set as a receiver. Thats not to say he does play in the NFL as a QB cause he probably could. Especially since he has 2 more years of eligibility

  19. Kenny Sloth says:

    GO SOUNDERRRRSS!!!!!!

  20. HawkFan907 says:

    If Bolles, Cunningham, and Demarcus Walker are all available at the end of Rd. 1 (which I admit isn’t very likely) who would you pick? Bolles would solidify an improving line at RT. Cunningham would be an instant upgrade over Morgan and give us the best LB corps in the NFL. Walker fits the bill as an inside out pass rusher which we have desperately needed.

    I think those three positions are the weakest right now on the roster. Personally I’d go with Bolles, but man oh man the other two are so enticing…

    • CharlieTheUnicorn says:

      I was very impressed by Morgan in his first game back. I thought he played a very solid game. When the Panthers offense tried to run to his side of the field, they were mostly neutralized. This is unlike previous weeks with others in the position….. opposing OCs specifically targeted run after run right at the LB playing in that spot. They ran away from KJ and towards ….. maybe Morgan is better than we all think in the Seahawks scheme.

      I’ll be honest, a dominant NT/DT would be what the DR ordered. Instantly upgraded the pass rush, making the defense even better. I’m not sold Bolles is the elixir that would cure the Seahawks OL woahs. I’ll just throw this out there…. perhaps a RB would be a bigger “upgrade” than almost any other spot… for a pretty stacked roster.

      • Coleslaw says:

        Morgan played good ball but he was going up against John Stewart mostly, not much of a challenge for a guy like Morgan. It’s the Shady McCoys we HAVE to worry about. Morgan is not athletic enough to keep up with a guy like that or say David Johnson who we play soon. Good thing is there’s not a lot of shifty guys we’d have to play in the playoffs so Morgan could finish the season looking better than he truly is. If you remember I was saying last year that Morgan should and would step up and we’d be fine, but now I know he is not the long term answer. He’s gotten beat too many times by the faster shifty backs

        • HawkFan907 says:

          It’s true, Morgan isn’t a flashy athlete. He is a serviceable backup and a smart player though, and a solid locker room guy from what I have heard. Cunningham has the athleticism and the range to shit down the McCoys of the world. Bolles is a massive upgrade over Sowell, and I think that it would be easier to address the D-Line in FA. If we want to continue to go cheap and Bolles is there, I say pull the trigger.

    • RealRhino2 says:

      Walker for me.

  21. Kenny Sloth says:

    Who does Rawls comp to for you guys?

    I almost think Ray Rice because of his wide build, but he might be faster, more physical, and more agile.

    His vision is incredible. I remember reading a stat that suggested that backs with larger eyes gained more ypc. Can’t remember the source, but I think that’s interesting. Like QB’s with higher pitched cadences can be heard more clearly.

  22. Volume12 says:

    You guys ready for this Snow Bowl or what? Exciting man. Football weather is here.

  23. Volume12 says:

    Boise St RB Jeremy McNichols going pro.

    I like him. Built like a mac truck, good balance and vision, able to sift through traffic at his feet, has an NFL frame at 5’9, 212 lbs., TD machine, fantastic pass catching back out of the backfield.

    I see a lot of Doug Martin in him.

  24. nichansen01 says:

    We need another corner more than anything. And where was Terrell there? I would advocate drafting Budda Baker. Local high school , college star. Let’s make Baker a seahawk.

  25. Volume12 says:

    Tony McDaniel does not look good at all.

  26. rowdy says:

    Were playing Like trash on both sides of the ball

  27. nichansen01 says:

    Russell Wilson… Has had this worst season of his career.

    Tampa Game all over again. I called it.

  28. John_s says:

    Back to back terrible starts on the road.

    The energy level needs to pick up. They seem disinterested

  29. vrtkolman says:

    Russell is having an awful month, if we are going to make a run we need him to be great.

    • nichansen01 says:

      Awful season. Also, this has to be the worst the defense has been in the Pete Carroll era.

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        “Awful season”

        He could throw 12 TD’s and No Picks against a floundering NFC West Trio next week.

        He has a legitimate case for MVP.

        It’s not the completely dominant season you hope for, but this is a hyperbolic narrative.

        • nichansen01 says:

          He could. I’m just referring to what I’ve seen so far. He’s been the least productive starting quarterback in the NFL.

          • Volume12 says:

            That’s a bit harsh.

          • Kenny Sloth says:

            *Blake Bortles waves*

          • TannerM says:

            … The 49ers have been playing musical chairs with their quarterbacks all season, the Rams had so little faith in their #1 overall draft pick that they sat him until the playoffs were a pipedream, and Carson Palmer has thrown eleven picks down in the desert, and that’s just within the division. I’m sure teams like the Vikings, Jets, Jaguars, Texans, and Bears would be ecstatic if Russell played for them. And dare I even mention the Browns?

            • nichansen01 says:

              I’m not talking about teams who don’t have a qb to speak of. Out of qbs who have started all 12/13 games Wilson has been the least productive. Sam Bradford has more tds than Wilson.

              • Smitty1547 says:

                I’m not one to complain about Wilson he’s great, but today if they left him in the locker room at half I would be good with it. He’s been horrible

        • RealRhino2 says:

          Wilson has ZERO case for MVP. That’s a joke, right? He’s been bad in about five games so far. I’d be with you if he looked decent most weeks and then had a few great games sprinkled in. He’s had the few great games part, but in his “off” weeks he hasn’t been decent, he’s been pretty bad. Dolphins, Rams, Saints, Bucs, and today, all bad.

  30. Volume12 says:

    Wow.

    RW gives GB 7 off a terrible throw and leaves 14 points off the board by missing 2 wide open shots. Lobs too for that matter.

  31. LordSnow says:

    Jeremy Lane can’t tackle.

    And on every pass play Tony McDaniel just stands there.

  32. nichansen01 says:

    I’m going to call it right now.

    Today will be the first game Russell Wilson loses by more than 10.

  33. nichansen01 says:

    On that Lowry sack Wilson had to literally jump up to look to see if Rawls was open, I’ve never seen a quarterback have to do that. Wilson is still affected by his height.

  34. nichansen01 says:

    0 pressure on Rodgers. Worst performance of the defense I’ve probably seen in 4 seasons or so.

  35. Forrest says:

    I wasn’t expecting a win today…but this looks bad…still early though…

  36. nichansen01 says:

    Kam Chancellor trying to get everyone fired up on the sidelines. If every seahawk played with the same tenacity passion and fire as Kam Chancellor, we would win the superbowl every year.

  37. Vista says:

    This is just wrong

  38. vrtkolman says:

    This sucks right now but remember how streaky this team is. I’m concerned about the D line though. The old timers like McDaniel are wearing out.

  39. LordSnow says:

    If Richard stays with this 4 man rush all game the packers may put up 40 on us. You can’t just let Rodgers sit there all day long and expect good coverage to get them off the field. You have to at least get him a little uncomfortable in the pocket. Waiting for halftime to make adjustments makes seattle totally get out of the running game and puts it on RW’s really bad throwing today.

  40. Michael (CLT) says:

    Not our year. Too many holes. Need a pass rusher and a running back. Crew here has switched to the Tampa game. Sigh.

  41. nichansen01 says:

    If it makes anyone feel better… The cardinals blew a game against Miami and the lambs are getting blown out by Atlanta.

  42. rowdy says:

    This team is a joke right now

  43. vrtkolman says:

    Wilson looks worse than Logan Thomas.

  44. Ground_Hawk says:

    Rough start for the Hawks. Hopefully Lockett’s alright. It’s good that Arizona lost.

  45. Derron James says:

    Wilson is losing this for us absolute terrible.

  46. Ishmael says:

    Turns out Rodgers is still REALLY good, who knew?

    This is a weirdly flaky Seahawks team, not quite sure what to make of it.

    • vrtkolman says:

      They are streakier than I’ve ever seen them. They could easily win the Super Bowl or go one and done. At this point it depends on which team shows up. It changes week to week which is insane.

  47. Volume12 says:

    This team ain’t built to play on grass.

  48. vrtkolman says:

    Shead getting burned by Jared Cook? Just wow. I’m not sure how hard this team is playing.

  49. rowdy says:

    Baldwin runs out of bounce with 5 to 10 yards in front of him.

  50. LordSnow says:

    A lot of people want those early picks toward offense. I’m not so sure. Despite leading the league in points allowed, this defense is looking like its trending in the wrong direction the past few years. I’m really leaning for this draft to use most of those high picks, rounds 1-3 on bringing in an influx of new defensive talent. Bring back the competition. Tony McDaniel has no business on a starting dline. A 16 game season might be just too much for him now. We need an SLB to set the edge. Jeremy Lane needs competition to push him. And we need another pass rusher “just in case” Bennett is in a phase where injuries just pile up on him.

    At least the offense is mostly young and has lots of room to grow, and will likely improve. I don’t want us to go thru one of those doldrums where Green Bay is now, where their offense is still dangerous but the defense completely sucks.

    • nichansen01 says:

      I have to agree. Corner or safety in the first frame please… Or an interior pass rusher. Right now we can’t cover OR rush the passer.

    • rowdy says:

      When the worst D’s we played this year dominate us, it’s a strong argument against this.

      • vrtkolman says:

        But then we dominate defenses like Philly/NE/Carolina. I don’t think it’s the talent.

      • LordSnow says:

        THe difference is, is that the offense is young and the defense is starting to show age. They look worn out on that field.

        • nichansen01 says:

          Exactly. Guys like Ifedi, Prosise, Vannet, Fant, McEvoy, Odhiambo and Collins are rookies that still have to come into their own. Guys like Lockett Glowinski and Rawls are just in their second season. Britt, the leader of our O-line, is in his third season. Paul Richardson is a second round pick in his third season.

          The vets of our offense are Kearse Jimmy Baldwin and Russell. This is a young young offense, with a ton of rookies.

          On defense, Clark and Reed represent the youth but other than that people are aging. We really lack depth or even a competent starter at right corner. Thomas is considering retirement. Kam is constantly injured. Bennet and Sherman have both regressed. Morgan is more of a stop gap. Rubin and McDaniel are both old and awful. We really need an injection of youth on the defense.

    • RealRhino2 says:

      Do people really want to spend our early picks on offense? Other than Rob talking about Bolles and others saying we should get a RB in the first 3 rounds, that’s not the vibe I’ve gotten, necessarily.

      Clear we do need to add an extra OL piece somewhere, but I’d say it’s just as clear we need to add CB, DE, DL, and I’d say all early.

      • AlaskaHawk says:

        There is a group of people who would pick defense first no matter how good the defense is. They simply prefer an elite defense and will say it gas to be replenished, or they will see better value in defense. I won’t argue about the first round choice – but it is pretty obvious the offense has a lot of growth to do. And their is no guarantee that the current crew can grow that much.

  51. nichansen01 says:

    Anyone else want to try to defend Wilson?

  52. vrtkolman says:

    Wilson has 5 INTs his last three games. He’s missed three easy touchdowns today. Very discouraging.

    • LordSnow says:

      I’ve wondered if Russell is a poor qb in bad weather. But after last year in Minny, and today, I’m beginning to think he’s just a qb who hates the cold. You’d think he’d be okay with it having played for the Badgers, but I really wonder now.

      • vrtkolman says:

        I don’t think it’s that much colder than the Carolina game. Maybe 10 degrees?

      • Volume12 says:

        Its frustrating that he’s missed 3 TD throws and the first pick gave GB 7. Bad day.

        This game should not be like this. The plays are there to be made.

        • LordSnow says:

          Let’s see in the second half if he comes out like he did in last years carolina playoff game. I don’t know if this is a pattern in RW and I hope it isn’t.

      • John_s says:

        Except in December last year vs Vikes where it was just as cold today (I was there) he was 21/27 274 and 3 tds.

  53. Smitty1547 says:

    Pete likes to say you cant win a game in the first half. true but you sure can lose one, just horrible. leave Wilson in the locker room for second half he stinks today

  54. Forrest says:

    Defense looked better (not great, but better) to close out the half, but Russel is playing really bad right now…hopefully he cleans up a bit, we’ll see.

  55. Michael (CLT) says:

    Thank god the NFC west sucks or we would be talking draft

  56. icb12 says:

    Only down 18

    Seattle wins this game by 9. Just had to spot them a few is all.

  57. Volume12 says:

    Rodgers looks like he’s one hit away from being seriously injured.

  58. nichansen01 says:

    3rd int of the day for Wilson.

  59. Forrest says:

    Go home Wilson, you’re drunk!!!

    …Seriously though, he’s throwing the game…

    …Pun intended…

  60. vrtkolman says:

    Another Kearse redzone disaster.

  61. LordSnow says:

    With all that’s going on I will say…I love Thomas Rawls.

    My favorite hawk and brings it every play.

  62. Volume12 says:

    Delay of game much?

    When have they ever restarted the play clock?

  63. nichansen01 says:

    4 picks! Baldwin what was that!

  64. Volume12 says:

    That 1 is on Douggie

  65. rowdy says:

    This team has no heart right now.

  66. Forrest says:

    OK, that one was on Doug…

    -_-

  67. LordSnow says:

    That takes the cake.

  68. Volume12 says:

    Why do they keep going away from the run? For a team that wants that as its identity it makes no sense.

    You set yourself up for HAVING to throw it at some point. This defense never seems to get a rest. In s unreal.

    • Ishmael says:

      I think they’re badly confused and they got themselves in a shocking spot this game. There’s just a lot of odd stuff going on this season.

  69. LordSnow says:

    If the packers get a td on this drive Pete should seriously consider going to his backup qb. You don’t want to compound things by getting Russell injured

  70. Volume12 says:

    Kris Richard has no feel for when to dial up a blitz does he?

  71. Ed says:

    There goes 2nd place and struggling. And another offensive struggle.

  72. nichansen01 says:

    Whaaaaaat how was that a penalty.

  73. John_s says:

    Devante Adams, Allen Robinson and Jarvis Landry…all WR’s drafted in the 2nd rd AFTER Paul Richardson

    • Ishmael says:

      They got it wrong, shit happens.

      Can see why they wanted him, a burner who could really take the top off would have been an amazing threat given the stacked boxes Lynch commanded. The thought process wasn’t wrong, unfortunately turns out that the pick was.

  74. nichansen01 says:

    There it is. First blowout of the Wilson era.

  75. rowdy says:

    Here’s a game plan. Pack up and go home. There not even trying anyway.

  76. AlaskaHawk says:

    Looked like a good hard hit by KJ. That sucks

  77. Forrest says:

    Excuse my language, but it has to said…fuck this game…

  78. AlaskaHawk says:

    Anyone ready to call this a rivalry? Green Bay fans think it is one.

  79. rowdy says:

    Pull wilson already

  80. AlaskaHawk says:

    Hmm may be looking for more receivers in draft.

    • LordSnow says:

      I doubt it. They love Kearse. Who else are you going to upgrade if not him? And he isn’t going anywhere.

  81. nichansen01 says:

    The debate is whether or not Alabama could beat the Browns… I think bama would totally be in a game against Seattle right now.

  82. Ishmael says:

    Trainwreck. Funny in a thread about grit. Don’t lose a game by more than 10 points for what… Five years and then, well, this.

    There’s some very weird shit going on this season. No way of knowing exactly what without being inside the locker room, but they really need to work out who they want to be. It’s almost like post-Lynch they decided they’d move to throwing the ball more, then when that didn’t quite work they decided to go back to the run but then that didn’t really work and so they’re stuck.

    It’s an explosive, dynamic, offence when it’s ‘on’ but as we’ve seen on multiple occasions this season when everything isn’t set up nicely for them it melts down. That’s five really, really, bad games from the offence this year. Dolphins, Rams, Cards, Saints, and now this. No easy answers, certainly none that we can identify from here without really really getting into the tape. And even then I don’t think we’d be able to pull out all that much.

    Might be totally irrational, but I can’t help but feel if we’d scored a TD on that first drive the boys would have got on a roll and really gone toe-to-toe with Rodgers. Didn’t happen, and everyone’s just slumped. Very, very, weird shit going down.

    • vrtkolman says:

      Maybe Roger told them to take this week off to keep Green Bay in the playoff race? JOKING, but I agree I haven’t seen anything like this season in my life.

  83. Smitty1547 says:

    28-3 I don’t want to sound like a Turd, but i hope it’s 45-3 before it’s done we apparently need a humbling.

  84. AlaskaHawk says:

    Seahawks can quite thinking about a week off and concentrate on winning their division.

  85. Volume12 says:

    Bruce Arians said it was weird when they had the ball how it seemed to rain ‘more.’

    WTF!? Are you kidding me? Does this guy ever take responsibility for anything?

    Does Miami have a weather machine or something?

  86. Forrest says:

    Despite this shitshow of a game I think that the #2 seed is fully attainable. 11-4-1 is fully possible…3 good wins against rivals may provide momentum going into the playoffs. This game just needs to end though.

  87. rowdy says:

    How does wilson fuck this drive up?

  88. nichansen01 says:

    That was ugly Fant.

  89. Ed says:

    Rob, if you’re reading this, don’t even post an instant reaction. Here it.

    Hawks didn’t show up in any phase of the game.

    Then write a piece on the draft.

    Please

  90. Michael (CLT) says:

    Why did Seattle refuse to a the to at with the run today?

    • Michael (CLT) says:

      Damn siri. Why has seattle abandoned the run this year?

      • LordSnow says:

        As you stated above, no more lynch.

        • LordSnow says:

          WHich reminds me, as much as they couldn’t stand him, they needed him.

        • nichansen01 says:

          I wouldn’t argue with this but… Rawls has looked so good when he gets the ball. Why are we abandoning the run so soon?

          • Ed says:

            That’s what DB always does. Too many bad offensive games

          • LordSnow says:

            I think the coaching staff likes him, but doesn’t believe in him as “the guy.” They now live or die with Russell.

            There can be no explanation when early in the 3rd, you are driving by virtue of Rawls, and on 1st and 10 at around their 20, you decide to totally go away from Rawls and go back to winning or dying with your qb.

  91. nichansen01 says:

    Greenbay’s backup qb is about to tear up our starters.

  92. John_s says:

    Hopefully a Kam chancellor pep talks fired these guys up

  93. Volume12 says:

    Not built to play on grass.

    Haven’t scored a single TD on grass this year. Speed doesnt translate.

    3 pts
    6 pts
    5 pts
    3 pts

    • LordSnow says:

      No running game identity anymore to grind it out and make teams wear out.

    • Ishmael says:

      Huh, there you go. That’s an amazing stat. I think we might have been talking about speed on this blog last year – looking at the Steelers WR corps and how speed kills. The Hawks speed on defence has been the difference maker for them over the last few years – maybe they started looking for it on the other side of the ball. Maybe it really is as simple as that. If it is, extraordinary that the coaching staff haven’t caught on. Would explain the wild swings in performance from week to week.

  94. nichansen01 says:

    Kearse you need to catch those. Kearse needs to go.

  95. Smitty1547 says:

    31-3 WHY IS WILSON STILL OUT THERE? IF HE GOT HURT THEY SHOULD RUN PETE OUT OF TOWN

  96. nichansen01 says:

    Tanner McEvoy garbage time TD!!!!!!!!!

    I know it’s garbage time but I love this guy and I think he can be a real player for us going forward.

    • rowdy says:

      Cut kearse and keep him.

    • Trevor says:

      Agree completely. All the kid does is make plays. Seems to have real good hands and a feel for the game. Hope they start using him more in 3 wr sets over Kearse who has looked worse than ever this year.

  97. Trevor says:

    I know there are a lot of Kearse fans on this blog but I really hope we address the WR#3 position this draft to go with Baldwin and Locket.

    I prefer Mcevoy to Kearse to be honest.

    Hard game to watch. It is the first time in the PC era I have seen us dominated in a phases for the entire game.

    • LordSnow says:

      I’ve been saying this for awhile now.

      Lots of Kearse fans on this blog, including Rob. I just find that if your #2 WR doesn’t provide a mismatch, or even win half his battles, it’s a black hole in your offense. Nothing would stop him from going back to a #3 role and be effective. But he has a strong base of supporters in UW land.

  98. Trevor says:

    The only play I enjoyed this game was Kam stepping up on Montgomery and stoning him short of 1st down. He is getting older but is still the hammer.

  99. Trevor says:

    As bad as the D has played this game they still show heart with (3) stops less than 1 yd to go.

  100. John_s says:

    Oh dear. Sherman got worked on that end around.

  101. Forrest says:

    Oh for crying out loud just lose quietly…this is embarrassing and stupid…just end already…please…

  102. AlaskaHawk says:

    Wilson stats 1 td and 5 interceptions. Youch. Followed by a Green Bay td.

  103. LordSnow says:

    5 ints? C’mon Pete, pull him. Enough’s enough. Just call it another bad day and give some PT to your backup.

  104. Trevor says:

    This game is going to cost the D the scoring title and end the historic run. 5 Interceptions have not helped.

    • LordSnow says:

      Being #1 in the NFL is an illusion. This defense is not THAT good. It still is good, but not top 5. Has trouble generating pass rush and getting off the field on 3rd down. Not dominant against the run anymore. It’s best feature is goal line, but you don’t want other teams to drive down to the goal line do you?

      It needs an influx if good quality talent to push some of the starters and it needs to start in the next draft.

  105. rowdy says:

    Cleveland would of beat us today

  106. Volume12 says:

    TO’s killed us today.

    This would such a different game w/o them, but it is what it is. Ugly game.

    • rowdy says:

      Up til the last TO they scored 7 points off of them. We were still dominated without them

      • Volume12 says:

        That’s not the point.

        Your not going to win ball games losing the turnover ratio.

        • Ishmael says:

          Five interceptions is extraordinary. A serious meltdown performance.

          Will be fascinating to see people breaking it down. Is he seeing ghosts, receivers getting routes wrong, just had a total shocker of a day. Couple of stats that I’ve just seen…

          This is from a couple of hours ago… The #Seahawks have played 26 qtrs on road. 21 of those 26 the offense has not scored a touchdown. 7 off TD in 26 road qtrs this season.

          Wilson has 13 passing TDs on the season in week 14. That’s not fantastic, however you want to spin it.

  107. Trevor says:

    This game and last years in Minn was exactly why I was saying I prefer to play Dallas in Dallas rather than in crappy weather at home in Jan. This offense has not shown it plays well in bad weather since Beast Mode left.

  108. Volume12 says:

    Now they run it. lol

    Why did they go away from Rawls with like 8-9 minutes left in the 3rd quarter?

    • LordSnow says:

      And it was something like 1st and 10 on GB’s 20, and Rawls was brutalizing them.

    • Trevor says:

      Even earlier than that I thought GB was showing little resistance against the run but Rawls seemed tired and beatup after every run. His body language was off today.

  109. vrtkolman says:

    Time to start giving more PT to McEvoy instead of Kearse.

  110. nichansen01 says:

    Collins fumbles again.

  111. vrtkolman says:

    Collins is a serious candidate to be cut this off season.

  112. AlaskaHawk says:

    Poor Collins – I had hopes that he would be a good running back. Now I’m not sure if he will be on the team next year.

  113. John_s says:

    Sweet fumble by Collins. And the Packer sideline takes a team pic before the game ends.

    This was an embarrassment all the way around. Not just Russ, but everyone.

  114. Forrest says:

    Well…I want to hear how PC sells this loss. Again, I was expecting a loss, but this was utterly heartbreaking…I hope I never have to sit through a loss like that in the RW era.

  115. AlaskaHawk says:

    Another Miserable game the way Tampa Bay was. But this time the Seahawks aren’t even in the game. Darn

  116. rowdy says:

    This team is losing its heart.

    • John_s says:

      Is it a coincidence that the Seahawks had their best game of the year with Marshawn hanging out on the sidelines?