Jonathan Taylor fancies Seattle plus DB measurements

February 27th, 2020 | Written by Rob Staton

In the video above Jonathan Taylor confirms he’s had an official combine interview with the Seahawks. It’s a revealing watch for a number of reasons.

Firstly, you could be forgiven for thinking he has his heart set on coming to Seattle. When asked which player he’d be most excited to be on the same field with, he said Russell Wilson. When asked which GM or coach had him a little starstruck during interviews, he said Pete Carroll.

Mike Florio connected the dots and suggested the Seahawks were high on his list of potential destinations, to which he said he’d love to play in Seattle.

Taylor is 5-10 and 226lbs — the prototype size for a Seahawks runner. He has a great personality, as you can tell from the interview. He’s a great tester and will run at least a 4.4 in the forty. We’ll see if his explosive testing is also strong (important for the Seahawks).

The only problem is ball security.

Taylor had 15 fumbles in three years at Wisconsin. He also had over 300 carries in those three years — a lot more than most running backs. Clyde Edwards-Helaire didn’t fumble once at LSU but he only had 370 career carries. Taylor had 320 in 2019 alone.

Seattle gave away 14 fumbles in 2019 — ten more than their 2018 total. For all of Taylor’s great qualities — I’m sure one of the first questions in his combine interview was, ‘why so many fumbles?’ and ‘can we trust you?’

The running back position is worth discussing for a number of reasons. It was revealed this week that Rashaad Penny might start the year on the PUP list. C.J. Prosise will depart as a free agent. Chris Carson’s injury isn’t serious but he’s in a contract year and has had a string of injuries in his career (plus a lot of fumbles in 2019).

It’s gone under the radar but this is actually a really good looking running back class. I think Edwards-Helaire is the best and a top-20 player. With Taylor, D’Andre Swift and J.K. Dobbins there are options in the top-50. Then there’s some depth with Anthony McFarland, Zack Moss, Cam Akers and a handful of others.

If you own a pick between 25-45 — the chances are the best player on the board when you pick in terms of pure grade will be a running back. It doesn’t mean teams will take one because clearly the position is devalued these days in some parts of the league. Yet if you were truly planning to go best player available, it’s very possible the BPA will be one of Edwards-Helaire, Taylor, Swift or Dobbins.

For the Seahawks to have the luxury of going down that road they’d need to be very busy in free agency. With their first pick — and possibly their two in the second frame — there needs to be a focus on D-line, O-line and receiver. The more you do in the market, the more flexibility you have later on.

We’ve all seen the D.K. Metcalf meeting clip with Carroll taking his shirt off. Despite the relative love-in there, the Seahawks still took two other players before Metcalf and only stopped his fall by trading back into the last pick of round two.

A meeting with Taylor doesn’t mean much at all. It certainly doesn’t say they’re going to take him at #27 or after trading down.

However — it shows they’re digging into this running back class. Size-wise, Taylor is the most Seahawky of the lot. Let’s see if he can test in a way to give him a shot to play with Russell Wilson as he said he would like to.

Chris Jones will be tagged

Not a surprise and fully expected but the Chiefs aren’t letting Chris Jones test the market. Expect Jacksonville to follow suit with Yannick Ngakoue.

Today’s coverage of the drills

The combine workouts begin today with the tight ends, quarterbacks and receivers. It starts at 9pm my time and is scheduled to run until 4am. In previous years, when the combine started at 2pm in the UK, I used to book four days off work and provide an extensive live blog. I can’t do that until 4am three nights in a row (the Sunday workouts are a bit earlier). I’m still going to stay up to watch the drills and provide live coverage. I will post forty yard dash times as they happen plus some other significant testing numbers. Please use that article as an open thread and get involved. Then at the end I will write a review of the day as usual.

Defensive back measurements

Remember the 32 inch arm threshold for cornerbacks… and prepare to be disappointed…

For a full list check out Charles Robinson’s timeline here.

Damon Arnette
Height: 5-11 5/8
Weight: 195
Hand: 9/18
Arm: 30
Wingspan: 74 4/8

Cam Dantzler
Height: 6-2 2/8
Weight: 188
Hand: 9
Arm: 30 5/8
Wingspan: 72 3/8

Trevon Diggs
Height: 6-1 3/8
Weight: 205
Hand: 9 3/8
Arm: 32 6/8
Wingspan: 78 3/8

Kristian Fulton
Height: 5-11 5/8
Weight: 197
Hand: 9 1/8
Arm: 30 5/8
Wingspan: 71 7/8

Jeff Gladney
Height: 5-10 2/8
Weight: 191
Hand: 9
Arm: 31 7/8
Wingspan: 75 2/8

AJ Green
Height: 6-1 4/8
Weight: 202
Hand: 9
Arm: 30 7/8
Wingspan: 74 7/8

Bryce Hall
Height: 6-1 2/8
Weight: 202
Hand: 9 5/8
Arm: 32 2/8
Wingspan: 78 4/8

CJ Henderson
Height: 6-0 6/8
Weight: 204
Hand: 9
Arm: 31 5/8
Wingspan: 75 7/8

Noah Igbinoghene
Height: 5-10
Weight: 198
Hand: 9 3/8
Arm: 31 6/8
Wingspan: 75 1/8

Lamar Jackson
Height: 6-2
Weight: 208
Hand: 9 4/8
Arm: 32 2/8
Wingspan: 77 7/8

Jaylon Johnson
Height: 5-11 7/8
Weight: 193
Hand: 9 3/8
Arm: 31 3/8
Wingspan: 74 3/8

Jeff Okudah
Height: 6-1 1/8
Weight: 205
Hand: 9 1/8
Arm: 32 5/8
Wingspan: 78 5/8

Amik Robertson
Height: 5-8 3/8
Weight: 187
Hand: 9
Arm: 30 2/8
Wingspan: 73 7/8

Stanford Samuels
Height: 6-1
Weight: 187
Hand: 10 1/8
Arm: 31 6/8
Wingspan: 76 3/8

AJ Terrell
Height: 6-1 1/8
Weight: 195
Hand: 9
Arm: 31 2/8
Wingspan: 75 5/8

Jeremy Chinn
Height: 6-3
Weight: 221
Hand: 9 5/8
Arm: 32 1/8
Wingspan: 77 5/8

Ashtyn Davis
Height: 6-0 7/8
Weight: 202
Hand: 9 3/8
Arm: 30 4/8
Wingspan: 75 1/8

Grant Delpit
Height: 6-2 4/8
Weight: 213
Hand: 9 1/8
Arm: 30 3/8
Wingspan: 74 4/8

Kyle Dugger
Height: 6-0 7/8
Weight: 217
Hand: 10 3/8
Arm: 32 7/8
Wingspan: 78 4/8

Xavier McKinney
Height: 6-0 3/8
Weight: 201
Hand: 8 5/8
Arm: 30 7/8
Wingspan: 75 4/8

JR Reed
Height: 6-0 6/8
Weight: 202
Hand: 9 7/8
Arm: 32 4/8
Wingspan: 76 3/8

Antoine Winfield Jr
Height: 5-9 1/8
Weight: 203
Hand: 9 4/8
Arm: 30 1/8
Wingspan: 72 6/8

Big thanks to SeaMode for putting this list together:

Qualifiers from the Combine (measurables)

CB Jeff Okudah, Ohio St., 6011, 205, 9 1/8 hand, 32 5/8 arm, 78 5/8 wing
CB Trevon Diggs, Alabama, 6013, 205, 9 3/8 hand, 32 3/4 arm, 78 3/8 wing
CB BoPete Keyes, Tulane, 6007, 202, 8 3/4 hand, 32 5/8 arm, 78 1/4 wing
S Kyle Dugger, Lenoir-Rhyne, 6007, 217, 10 3/8 hand, 32 7/8 arm, 78 1/2 wing
CB Bryce Hall, Virginia, 6012, 202, 9 5/8 hand, 32 1/4 arm, 78 1/2 wing
CB Lamar Jackson, Nebraska, 6020, 208, 9 1/2 hand, 32 1/4 arm, 77 7/8 wing
S Jeremy Chinn, Southern Illinois, 6030, 221, 9 5/8 hand, 32 1/8 arm, 77 5/8 wing
CB Michael Ojemudia, Iowa, 6005, 200, 8 7/8 hand, 32 1/4 arm, 77 3/4 wing

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86 Responses to “Jonathan Taylor fancies Seattle plus DB measurements”

  1. Steve Nelsen says:

    Wow! The arm measurements knock a lot of guys off our list.

  2. Trevor says:

    S Kyle Dugger, Lenoir-Rhyne, 6007, 217, 10 3/8 hand, 32 7/8 arm, 78 1/2 wing -He would be an awesome addition to go with Blair but unless they view him as a guy who can play the slot Safety seems like a luxury pick with so many other holes on defence.

    CB Bryce Hall, Virginia, 6012, 202, 9 5/8 hand, 32 1/4 arm, 78 1/2 wing -Would be a nice fit but I don’t think the Hawks go CB till Day #3

    S Jeremy Chinn, Southern Illinois, 6030, 221, 9 5/8 hand, 32 1/8 arm, 77 5/8 wing – Like the athletic profile but they took Blair last year and once again Safety seems like a luxury pick. Unless they view him as a convert like Flowera

    *CB Lamar Jackson, Nebraska, 6020, 208, 9 1/2 hand, 32 1/4 arm, 77 7/8 wing – I have linked him to the Hawks in every mock I have done. Just seems like the most probable and likely pick for the Hawks on Day #3 as a guy to develop behind Flowers and Griffin

  3. Trevor says:

    Hi Taylor falls to Rd #3 with concerns about the # of carries and ball security I could see them swooping in to stop the fall early in Rd #3 and he would be a steal there. I just can’t see them going RB earlier than that unless they are really worried about both Penny and Carson going forward.

    Would love to see him in a Hawks uni though seems like a great kid.

  4. Sea Mode says:

    Always a pleasure, Rob.

    And here’s the link to the full list at the end of last thread, in case anyone wants to see the guys who came very close as well at any of the events:

    http://seahawksdraftblog.com/d-line-and-linebacker-measurements-notes#comment-476619

  5. cha says:

    For the Seahawks to have the luxury of going down that road they’d need to be very busy in free agency. With their first pick — and possibly their two in the second frame — there needs to be a focus on D-line, O-line and receiver

    This feels like a proper description of their tasks ahead.

    With this RB class being so deep I can see the Hawks taking someone in the later rounds, even passing up some of our community crushes.

    I could also see the Hawks perusing the second wave FA and disgruntled player requesting a trade market later in the year. Is there a Marshawn Lynch not fitting on a team that could be had for a 2021 pick? I’d love a Leonard Fournette but his cheap contract years are at an end so unlikely.

    • Coleslaw says:

      Tevin Coleman is a free agent next year and is #2 or 3 in SF now. Potential cap casualty this year.

      Buzz around KC drafting a RB this year, maybe Damien William’s could be had. Hes also a FA next year.

      Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams will be FAs next year, GB will probably just take the comp pick for William’s but maybe we could get him a year early.

      I really like what Wayne Gallman has done when hes gotten an opportunity. I’d consider him for sure.

    • rowlandice says:

      When I read that in Rob’s article I immediately thought that’s potentially why they’ll trade down again this year. They’ll need that extra 3rd/4th round pick to navigate the 2nd round for their guys OR just use the extra pick for the depth they need at multiple positions. An argument can be made they need to draft all position groups except QB. We think they need to focus on DL, OL and the deep WR class, but they could go any direction like RB as Rob suggests.

  6. clyles says:

    Sounds like the Seahawks have also met w/ Ross Blacklock, Bradlee Anae, Julian Okwara, Hunter Bryant, Zach Baun and Yetur Gross-Matos. No smoke screens from their focus on the D-Line.

  7. 34shadow says:

    Given Seattle’s dissatisfaction with the secondary and the surprising lack of draftable players, could this be the year that Seattle bucks tradition and goes after a cornerback early (Round 2, Early 3) in the draft?

    • JJ says:

      Doubt it. They trust their ability to get lower round guys up to speed.

    • Steve Nelsen says:

      Pete Carroll was pretty clear that they are satisfied going into this season with Tre Flowers as a starter. I can see them using a Day 3 pick for another project but they don’t see any need to add a star veteran like Darius Slay or use an early pick for an outside CB. They also seem comfortable with Ugo as the nickel CB if Kendricks signs elsewhere or isn’t physically capable after his ACL injury.

  8. JimQ says:

    A couple of 32″+ arms @ DB’s not mentioned, with CB(slot)-Kindle Vildor being perhaps the most viable and a potential day-3 pick for the Seahawks?

    CB-Kindle Vildor, 5-9-7/8/191, 9-5/8-hand, 32-2/8-arms, 75-4/8-wingspan.
    SS-Josh Metellus, 5-11/209, 10-2/8-hand, 32-2/8–arms, 75-5/8–wingspan.

    • WALL UP says:

      Having 32 inch arms is not a prerequisite for playing the slot position. Ugo fell just short of that. The emphasis would be lateral quickness, having 4.3 – 4.4 speed, with the ability to stay in a receive hip pocket on crossing routes and then make on the ball.

      The jury is still out on Ugo. He ran a 4.51 and did have difficulty staying with Davante Adams as did Flowers. There are much faster receivers than Adams that the Hawk’s DBs struggle to stay with. If Shaq is not allowed to travel to defend those faster receivers, it could be difficult also for the pass rush.

      Shaq may be best . playing the corner than inside. That may prioritize drafting, or trading for someone that could play 70% of the snaps as JS mentioned inside against those speedy receivers.

      I think everyone here knows what I feel about a trade with DET, with SEA’s 1st for DET (35) + Slay. It equates to a 3rd Rd pick. Slay would travel with the fastest receiver 70% of the time, with Flowers playing 70% @ his normal corner position. But, that probably won’t happen.

      I like Noah Igbinoghene, and of course Amik. Vidal doesn’t have that lateral quickness, nor the speed necessary to stay those receivers in the slot. He’s more of an outside guy.

  9. Awsi Dooger says:

    Every mock draft has had an absurd number of wide receivers and cornerbacks combined within the top 40. My response is the same as a few months ago: Let them do it. Apply your flawed subjectivity and risk the consequences.

    Those are bust positions. The return on investment is miserable for those positions in the first round, even if nobody wants to acknowledge it. I saw it broken down in the draft forum of FootballsFuture.com last year. Cornerback in particular is a disaster. That forum rivals this blog in terms of sharp posters and overall content.

    • Henry Taylor says:

      I honestly think breaking down “hit rates” of previous drafts is a huge waste of time. Every draft and every player are its own puzzle.

      A player being a success or not has nothing to do with how players of the same position did in previous years.

    • cha says:

      The return on investment is miserable for those positions in the first round, even if nobody wants to acknowledge it.

      And just saying it is doesn’t make it so either.

      5 most recent years of gradable first round WRs

      2013: Tavon Austin (8), Deandre Hopkins (27), Cordarrelle Patterson (29)
      2014: Sammy Watkins (4), Mike Evans (7), OBJ (12), Brandin Cooks (20), Kelvin Benjamin (28)
      2015: Amari Cooper (4), Kevin White (7), Devonte Parker (14), Nelson Agholor (20), Breshad Perriman (26), Phillip Dorsett (29)
      2016: Corey Coleman (15), Will Fuller (21), Laquon Treadwell (23)
      2017: Corey Davis (5), Mike Williams (7), John Ross (9)

      The only certified bust in that bunch is Kevin White. You could argue Perriman and I’d concede that. John Ross had 7 TDs one year and still has upside.

      Dorsett hasn’t done much but he brought Indy’s backup QB and eventual starter in trade so I’d call that a win.

      And there’s lots of solid contributors, starters, and some franchise level WRs on that list.

      For sure you can find value in the later rounds, but the idea that WR is a bust-heavy position doesn’t hold weight if you look at the most recent sampling.

      • Zane says:

        The only certified bust is White?? You’re a very generous man.
        I’d add Treadwell, Coleman, Agholor, Benjamin, and Austin to that list. Certified disappointments at least.

        • cha says:

          Fair point I suppose. I guess my definition of “bust” is different than others. You can call me generous but if you want to label a first round pick a bust if he isn’t a superstar franchise player, you’re going to be hugely disappointed 90% of the time, no matter what position he plays.

          Treadwell, Coleman, Agholor, Benjamin and Austin aren’t going to make anyone’s socks roll up and down but they have (as I said) been solid contributors and starters. Are they what they profiled as when selected? No. But they’re not complete washouts either.

      • Rob Staton says:

        Here’s the facts…

        All positions have busts, average players, good players, great players.

        Every player is different.

        Every draft class is different.

        You can’t label an entire position a ‘bust position’.

      • Volume12 says:

        Now do some day 2 & 3.

        Michael Thomas
        DK Metcalf
        Tyler Lockett
        Tyreek Hill
        Mecole Hardman
        Sterling Shepard
        AJ Brown
        Hunter Renfrow
        Keenan Allen
        Preston Williams
        Terry McLaurin
        Deebo Samuel
        JuJu
        Chris Godwin
        Kenny Golladay
        Adam Thelein
        Stefon Diggs
        Michael Gallup
        Tyler Boyd
        DJ Chark
        Courtland Sutton
        Robert Woods
        Cooper Kupp

        IDK about you, but that’s a much stronger group than Hopkins, Fuller, Evans, Cooper, and Moore

        • Starhawk29 says:

          Come on Vol, you’re talking about a greater sample size than just the 1st round though. There are hundreds of players on Days 2&3 and these guys are still a very small percentage compared to the total number of receivers drafted on those days.

          • john_s says:

            Even if you narrowed V12’s list to just 2nd rd WR’s, the hit rate is much higher than round 1.

          • Volume12 says:

            Yes. That’s where you build your team. I agree with Awsi 1,000 %. Somewhere along the way quite a few teams have not scouted the WR position well at all.

            And I meant to say rounds 2 & 3. So take out Thelein, Diggs, and Renfrow.

  10. JimQ says:

    A player I really want the Seahawks to draft and develop, somewhat like Crosby from last years draft. I have to wonder if he’s related to Alfonso Highsmith who was recently added as a Seahawks draft consultant? Highsmith sure looks the part of a LEO to me, it’s time to see some testing #’s.

    EDGE/LB-Alex Highsmith, Charlotte, 6-3-1/8/248, 9-1/8″-hand, 33-1/8-Arm, 76-7/8-wing.
    Currently a late round 3 to late round 4 projection in the draft. One of the best EDGE players in FBS, known for his extremely quick get-off, + he’s got some great stats and is very much a viable option for the Seahawks as a likely Rd-3/4 pick? I will be very disappointed if they don’t get him in the draft.

    2019: 13-games, 75-tkls, 43-solo, 21.5-TFL (#2 in FBS), 15.0-Sacks (#3 in FBS), 3-PD, 8-QBH, 2-FF
    Career: 45-games, 185-tkls, 47.0-TFL, 21.0-Sacks, 5-PD, 24-QBH, 1-FR, 4-FF.

  11. Volume12 says:

    Logan Stenberg also had a formal with Seattle.

  12. Nathan M says:

    With the poor length of CBs at the combine I’ll be watching for some pro-day standouts as a late round/UDFA project. Interested in Luther Kirk S/CB out of Illinois State – he played really well at the Shrine Bowl

  13. Trevor says:

    Clowney linked to the Colts and Giants as well as being open to coming back to the Hawks.

    Seems like Hawks fans think it is a done deal almost that he will be back in Seattle. I personally think it is less than a 50/50 proposition particularly if the Colts add a veteran QB like Rivers or Brady and decide their championship window is now. They need a pass rusher almost as bad as us and have a ridiculous amount of cap space. It is going to come down to him singing with whomever offers the biggest deal and I can’t remember the Hawks ever getting in a bidding war for a top free agent and signing the player.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I’ll tell you what I think.

      I think that tweet by Josina Anderson is the kind of BS that makes this time before free agency a big pile of frustrating crap.

      For starters, can she ever write a tweet without referencing her method of communication? It’s all a bit ‘look at me’. Secondly, her ‘report’ is that Clowney really likes Seattle but wants to test the market. Hold the front page! What a revelation! She then mentions two other teams with cap space might be interested. Woah! What an absolute shocker.

      It’s no news. It’s a big fat waste of everyone’s time even paying any of it any attention.

      I could tweet out now that Clowney will make a decision to sign with the Seahawks OR another team when free agency begins. It’d basically be exactly what Anderson has ‘reported’ today.

      • Trevor says:

        Good point anything you here between now and the start of free agency is likely put out by agents or teams or simply guessed by the gossip columnists as I like to refer to them. No a Anderson fan either by the way.

        I do have think just logically that the Colts are the one team that really worries me with regards to being ale to retain Clowney.

      • john_s says:

        Also, Josina is very tight with the players, similar to how some reporters are very tight with agents or front office and are the source to push an agenda.

        If an NFL player wants to put info out, they can go to Josina and she will put it out there.

      • Lewis says:

        This is just like the Brady stuff today with people suddenly reporting he expects to play elsewhere.

  14. Zane says:

    Has Rob or anyone else studied Ross Blacklock? Intriguing upside as a pass-rushing 3-tech.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Yes, written about him a few times. Relies on stunts and moving across the line for his pressure and doesn’t win much 1v1. That’s not how Seattle plays. Plus he has sub-33 inch arms and they’ve never drafted a player with that profile.

    • Volume12 says:

      Yes.

      All those guys have been discussed on here. I know not everyone is able to or available, but the fun on this site is on Saturday’s during the fall IMO.

    • Zane says:

      Fair enough! Thanks for the info

  15. Brian says:

    Hey Rob, what are your thoughts on Jeremy Chin? Guy looks really rangey and would give a team a dose of nastiness the Hawks secondary seems to be lacking since Kam and Sherm left. Any idea if they’d go that route and maybe cut BMac to free up space for the coming spending spree? Cheers!!

  16. Davido says:

    Wow didn’t see this Albert O. time coming.

    • Rob tremendous article is it me but John S has said that he wasn’t too happy DB plays last year but it seems like limited number this year. Rob do you think would consider bringing Bruce Irvin back on a cheap one year contract ? Or that’s probably not going to happen

      • Rob Staton says:

        I wouldn’t be satisfied either. But that might refer to the poor play of players who will be replaced by players currently on the roster.

        Sure, Bruce could be a complimentary option. But I think they want to go younger for that spot.

  17. Steve Nelsen says:

    Rob, Gary Davenport quoted you extensively in his Bleacher Report article, The Perfect Prospect at the Scouting Combine for every NFL Team.

    He identified Julian Okwara as a player who would fill the need for improving the pass rush.

  18. BobbyK says:

    Taylor is awesome from what little I saw of him… but those fumbles. I watched part of their bowl game and he had a key fumble late that helped them lose the game. Even though he’s great, having two fumble prone RBs would really be playing with fire.

  19. Chase Cash says:

    Anyone have a schedule for the drills tonight?

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