Jordan Palmer highlights O-line issues in the NFL

October 28th, 2017 | Written by Rob Staton

We talk a lot about offensive lines. Understandably so. The league has a problem. And while many Seahawks fans think the problem starts and ends in Seattle, the reality is there’s a dearth of talented and available O-liners at the pro level.

There are reasons for it. A point we often touch on (and one backed up multiple times by John Schneider when he’s asked about O-liners) is the preference of the top college athletes to play defense. As Brock Huard suggested a few weeks ago — Walter Jones is probably playing three-technique if he’s a college freshman in 2017.

Now, former NFL quarterback turned QB guru Jordan Palmer has suggested another potential problem to consider.

When asked by Mike Salk on 710 ESPN about the changing face of the game and the emergence of a different quarterback profile, Palmer had this to say:

I believe the game is going towards the mobile quarterback. If you look at what’s happening at the college level, with the similar constraints on the coaching staff that they do in the CBA (collective bargaining agreement) in the NFL, and so the position — and everyone thinks quarterbacks are the ones that aren’t being developed — the number one position, if you talk to real coaches, is O-line.

They don’t have enough padded practises in college to really teach it. And then in college they also don’t run the ball a whole lot so you get kids learning how to do one thing pretty good. Then they go to the NFL and what’s happening is these older linemen are going to start retiring, you’ve got a bunch of young guys who don’t know what they’re doing. And there’s not enough time in the CBA to fix it. So the way that I think it’s going to play out to the layperson and somebody just watching on TV is it’s going to create a precedence for quarterbacks who can extend the play.

It’s a subject that has come up more often in recent weeks. Due to the CBA practise restrictions, it’s becoming increasingly difficult for teams to sufficiently develop their offensive linemen early in their careers. There will always be exceptions — but those exceptions will likely be the true standout players who go in the top-20 of the first round (the Zack Martin, Taylor Lewan types).

The Seahawks haven’t been in range to draft the top offensive linemen in a draft class for five years. They’ve always been picking late in the first round. They’ve been forced to develop later round picks or players that fit a certain physical profile.

Imagine how difficult that is considering what Palmer is saying here?

It’s something to think about when judging Tom Cable.

We’re seeing Germain Ifedi show signs of development this year in his second season. Maybe, just maybe, some growing pains were inevitable given Palmer’s points above? It took Justin Britt three years to settle into the pro’s but now he’s one of the finest center’s in the league. Ethan Pocic didn’t start the season and perhaps now we understand why? His debut performance against the Giants was encouraging.

We can go down the list really. James Carpenter took a while but developed into a productive guard. J.R. Sweezy, a former defensive tackle at NC State, became a regular starter quite quickly. It took Max Unger some time to turn into the player he eventually became. We saw positive signs with George Fant before his knee injury. Luke Joeckel was making strides before his recent surgery.

That’s not to say every decision or error is suddenly justified. Perspective is important though and Palmer highlights a point worth noting. Teams are limited in what they can do because of the CBA and it’s taking O-liners longer to get to grips with the pro-game.

If anything the Seahawks were ahead of the curve. They were one of the first teams to start an elusive quarterback capable of extending plays. They deliberately made the scramble a feature on the offense — embracing the situation rather than fighting it. They seemed to identity a ‘type’ of linemen they could mould and develop without owning a pick in the top-20.

We’ll see if their way of doing things can produce a solid O-line as it gains further experience.

The good news for the Seahawks is Ifedi, Pocic, Britt, Joeckel and Fant are all trending up.

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256 Responses to “Jordan Palmer highlights O-line issues in the NFL”

  1. Pickering says:

    Re college football Olines, U. Washington rushed for 333 yards today. Does that suggest Peterson has placed greater emphasis on the run game? Or perhaps lost faith in Browning and his team’s passing game? Or that UCLA doesn’t have much of a run defense.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Palmer’s point that college teams don’t run the ball that often doesn’t necessarily mean there won’t be some teams that make it a focal point (or that teams will occasionally have a big running day). I suspect he was speaking generally there. Plus, Washington was playing against UCLA’s embarrassing defense.

      • C-Dog says:

        +1

        The Husky run game was like a hot knife through butter today. That’s probably not a strong indicator that it’s going to be that effective the rest of the way.

    • cha says:

      It has nothing to do with faith in the passing game.

      If they’re stacking 9 in the box and you’re still getting 6-8 yards per rush, you do it all day.

  2. C-Dog says:

    I think there’s a pretty decent chance Carroll has been fairly prophetic with this trend. He’s stated, for a while no, the value of a mobile quarterback in this league.

    It’s interesting if you look at his long history in college and earlier in the pros with coaching pocket passers. I think it was in his first year in Seattle where they were playing in Tampa and Josh Freeman was having a field game against his defense and rumor had it he turned to one of his assistants and said “I want one of those,” or something of that effect? Next year, Hasselbeck out, T-Jack in, and the following year, Russell Wilson. I think, being the old defensive coach he is, he knows he needs a player that can extend plays not just here or there, but with frequency throughout games if needed.

  3. cha says:

    “Then they go to the NFL and what’s happening is these older linemen are going to start retiring, you’ve got a bunch of young guys who don’t know what they’re doing.”

    This sounds like a confirmation to what Cable’s been saying for a long time – that OL aren’t being taught NFL-quality OL skills at the college level and the Hawks prefer guys who fit their physical profile and they’ll retrain them.

  4. Coleslaw says:

    Doesn’t matter if we don’t give OL second contracts lol, hopefully that changes as we move towards the end of the PC/JS era so we can move forward with at least a protected franchise QB. Britt signing was a good sign

    • Old but Slow says:

      Especially this. It would seem wise to keep teaching these guys longer than we have been. Glowinski gets a share of sharp criticism, for example, but he is quite athletic and strong, his attitude and grittiness helps, and he may still not learned enough. He fits the profile, stay with him, and the same goes for our other young linemen.

    • Rob Staton says:

      The players have to be worthy of the second contracts though with cap room tighter these days. That’s the approach the Seahawks have taken. Britt was worthy of the new deal.

    • Brseahawks says:

      Had Okung and Unger been reliable regarding health in their final two seasons in Seattle, like they went on to be with their current teams, we’d probably look at a much different offensive make up…

  5. Seahawcrates says:

    The skill concern in Seattle is also magnified as so much of the line is making that college to pro transition at close to the same time: Ifedi, Fant, Odhiambo, Glowinski, Pocic. It can’t make things easier that they are all on the same part of the learning curve together with Britt the only long-tenured Seahawk (is it even fair to say 3 1/2 years is long?). I’m convinced that lack of experience played a large role in seeking Lang and signing Joekel.

  6. House says:

    Something I find interesting (with the exception of Matt Tobin, 27), is that Justin Britt is the OLDEST player on our OL at a whopping 26 years old. Free Agency on the OL has been weird. The avg age of our OL is 25.2 yrs old. These guys just need time to grow, develop and perfect their craft. We definitely have a lot less money invested in the group and tend to let guys go at the risk of overpaying someone to stay.

    When the Patriots let DEF players leave in their prime and find replacements, no one really bats an eye. The OL is completely different. I believe that as the guys gel together within 2 years, the mindset of needing to re-sign our OL will be priority.

    Positions like WR and RB are having guys come in from the jump and are changing the game. They are found all over the draft. I have always wondered if we “over-drafted” OL and it makes so much sense. Especially when taking guys late in the 1st rd. That extra year of roster control can make a HUGE difference.

  7. drewdawg11 says:

    I truly believe that we are one player away from a solid offensive line. Obviously the guard from Notre Dame will be long gone, but perhaps we can also find an impact running back. I would even be willing to trade up to secure either. The OL pool is so shallow that you’ll miss your chance in the latter parts of the first round. There are several running backs who will be available, however. Our talent leve at that spot is weak. Carson may come back 100% healthy next season, but we thought Rawls would as well. Two years later and he looks washed up. I say go running back early and let’s find a way to balance this offense.

  8. Volume12 says:

    If I’m Seattle, Florida St WR Auden Tate is in serious consideration for me. Kid is a monster! So much Kelvin Benjamin in his game when he came out. What’s the one thing plauging this offense, besides the O-line? Red zone play. Tate solves that instantly.

    • Brandon says:

      Unless our red zone problems are a Wilson issue, not a receiver problem.

    • cha says:

      “What’s the one thing plauging this offense, besides the O-line? Red zone play. Tate solves that instantly.”

      Apologies for quibbling over semantics but nobody “solves that instantly.” Would Tate help? Sure. But pinning all your hopes on a single player to fix a pretty significant issue is just asking to be disappointed and frustrated. That exact line of reasoning is what we all said about Jimmy Graham.

      The Hawks have zero red zone rushing TDs in 2017. Zero! And just 2 rushing TDs overall. Let’s fix that first.

      • Volume12 says:

        I agree, but this team is trending the opposite way my man. They’re becoming a passing team. The writing is on the wall.

        You can get Royce Freeman’s or Lavon Coleman’s in rounds 3-4.

        • AlaskaHawk says:

          I agree, fans should just get used to seahawks being a passing team this year. RB by committee has turned out to be who ever is healthy will be used occasionally for a run.

  9. Volume12 says:

    Why does Wazzu HC Mike Leach have a job? Dude is a f***ing idiot. Pulls Falk to have his backup throw 4 picks in a loss? Haha.

    BTW. If u haven’t seen Arizona QB Khalil Tate, check my man out. I think he just invented the October Heisman.

    4 games straight with a 70+ yard run. Missed 2 games and is 3rd in the country in rushing?

    Inject this into my veins right now.

    Saquon Barkley
    117 rushes
    757 yards
    7 games started

    Khalil Tate
    56 rushes
    780 yards
    2 games started

    This man is a god.

    • Volume12 says:

      🔥🔥🔥

      https://mobile.twitter.com/RKelapire/status/921899656191164416/video/1

      How is everyone else so slow compared to him?

    • CharlieTheUnicorn says:

      You know what they say about WSU…. they couged it.

      I wonder if Tate will be asked to move to RB in the NFL?
      I have no idea if his QB skills actually would hold up enough to be viable in the NFL.

    • Ishmael says:

      Looks like a WR/KR conversion project to me. Definitely wouldn’t want him playing QB for you when you could have Drew Stanton instead.

    • sdcoug says:

      Falk has been pretty bad this year. Hesitant, uncertain, slow in his reads, takes sacks instead of throwing it away. I’m guessing you didn’t follow the game, because in Falk’s 5 or 6 drives, the offense was horrid. Hilinski came in and they suddenly move the ball with ease. Yes, 4 ints by a young QB with little experience, although one bounced off his receivers hands. You also didn’t mention Hilinski scored 4 TDs in one half and pulled the cougs within striking distance.

      He also is the reason the Cougs came back to beat BSU. I don’t blame Leach one second for pulling Falk.

      • Volume12 says:

        But, Falk is a 1st rounder. He’s one of 47 this year just like every year! The NFL talking heads told me so!

    • C-Dog says:

      Never been a Mike Leach fan, or a fan of the air raid. The way he loves to throw his players under the bus to motivate is beyond annoying.

      • Volume12 says:

        He’ll be gone. McElwain was fired this year after winning the division 2 outta 3 years. That’s unheard of.

        What has Leach ever done? Locked his players in a woodshed? S**t the bed every where he’s been? The PAC 12 other than Khalil Tate and a handful of RBs this year is god awful.

        He does a great job of running his version of the ‘air raid’ that’s it.

        Hope he follows Moos to Nebraska so the BIG 10 can show the ‘pirate’ how big boy football is actually played.

        • Volume12 says:

          If you guys haven’t watched Khalil Tate yet ur all a bunch of commies. (I’m j/k of course).

          • C-Dog says:

            I haven’t caught any Arizona games yet, but look forward to watching Tate live. Those clips are pretty impressive.

            I can see Leach on his way out. Some bigger under achieving program will look at what he’s done in Pullman and think he’s a savior. Following Moos seems natural.

            PAC 12 does feel down. Watching the Huskies yesterday, I was thinking to myself “what are people who think Browning is an nfl quarterback smoking?” He looks like training camp fodder at best.

            Next year, a more seasoned Darnold and a healthy Justin Herbert, things could get interesting.

          • DC says:

            Tate nearly beat UW single handed last year so my memory is pretty vivid. He’s only a Soph. Get’s a chance to kick start his legend next weekend vs USC with control of the south at stake.

  10. Ishmael says:

    Man, was watching Barkley again. I know he was mainly bottled up last night, but still, he’s something else. Trying to think of the best comp for him, and the only player who really comes close is LT. Only LT with a bit more juice and more to offer as a receiver.

  11. House says:

    I just woke up to seeing Seattle considering moving Jimmy Graham for Duane Brown or other Vet OL. It’ll be an interesting next few days

    • C-Dog says:

      Jason La Canfora just tweeted 15 minutes ago Seattle is NOT going to move Jimmy Graham. La Canfora seems to consistently have solid team sources.

      • vrtkolman says:

        It’s the right move IMO. Without Graham, Baldwin gets doubled all game long and we’re forced to rely on Lockett and Richardson to convert third downs. And if one of those two goes down, uh oh. The offense has finally started to adjust for Graham. They have been lining him up outside and Russell has started to fire passes into his chest rather then throw those failed jump ball fades. I think he’ll end up having a good season overall. Yes he’s soft but he’s a super important player for our passing attack .

        • DC says:

          In a vacuum, if you offered me a pro bowl caliber LT or the same at TE I would choose the LT. No way to know how they would fare here though.

          JG is a Ferrari. Problem is we do most of our driving in the mud with the OL being what it is. We needed a 4×4 pickup truck.

          • House says:

            I don’t personally want Graham to be traded, but I also don’t think we’re paying him to stay around next season.

            I am in hopes Fant gets back and has a long productive career in SEA. Duane Brown is a good LT, but the contract situation is one more hurdle we don’t need to deal with.

  12. SEAhemoth82 says:

    I listened to the interview with Jordan Palmer and found it to be very intriguing, yet he stated many of the same topics/themes Rob has constantly touched on while updating this blog, especially in regards to the development of Offensive Linemen.

    Me personally, I’m not in the fan constituency of landing an top tier LT right now, such Duane Brown, Cordy Glenn, or Joe Thomas (even though he is currently placed on IR). Nor was I in the camp to sign TJ Lang. I think our fanbase is still chasing the greatness of Walter Jones (and on some level Steve Hutchinson as well). More bluntly, the years of Walter Jones spoiled us, which has created an unrealistic level of expectation for the offensive line. The Seahawks have been without Walter Jones for 10+years now and have won a Super Bowl, but I firmly believe that we as a fan base are still desperately chasing the ghost of Walter Jones at Left Tackle, hence the constant comments on this blog that are pounding the table for the likes of Joe Thomas. I believe we aren’t chasing the player, we are chasing the caliber of play.

    Let this line develop. Trust the process. Like Rob has stated, which are important observations, in regards to Sweezy, Carp, Britt, etc., it took time for these players to develop, they needs snaps and time to gel to become a cohesive unit, and you still won’t be able to see that in 6 games. Why haven’t we talked about how the running backs are hindering the performance of the Offensive Line (or have we…)? From my untrained eye, the Running Backs have subpar vision, which isn’t allowing them to hit the right holes when running the play. I think the Seahawks are in dire need of a dynamic Running Back, not a Left Tackle.

    Point being of this rant, fans need to embrace patience.

    • Volume12 says:

      No way! If rookies aren’t good their 1st season get rid of them. We all know this is how it works.

    • Volume12 says:

      In all seriousness, it depends.

      Some fans might not like it, but unless Seattle can get to a Fournette or Gurley, the PC throwing 3-4 different RBs at a defense is here to stay. He’s always wanted it, but with Lynch in his prime it was pointless and futile.

      If they want to continue to throw it more and more, which doesn’t mean they don’t want a balanced attack, IMO they’ll lean more to the former, then yeah they need to upgrade their protection for their investment. If nothing else, they need to hedge for Fant.

      • AlaskaHawk says:

        But if rookies don’t develop of get used till their 3 or 4th year, we have lost most of the benefit of the cheap rookie contract. The one advantage of picking higher in first and second rounds is that those players should be able to start right away. Yes maybe you want to train them more, but they have the body and attitude to succeed.

        This should be a good test of Odhiambo today. Not expecting perfection, I know he will get beat. Just see how he holds up and if he is mentally and physically strong enough to go at it all game long.

        • RealRhino2 says:

          Yes. If I were considering the problem in a vacuum, I’d say Seattle has been far BEHIND the curve, not ahead of it. If I told you it would take three years to see any production from a position group, the answer would be to wait until those guys are developed and spend on them in FA, using your high draft picks for more instant production spots at the skill positions. Or to buy low on high-ceiling guys that look like busts after a couple of years, such as Greg Robinson and the like. Seattle has practically done the opposite of that.

    • Ukhawk says:

      Thought the OL was very good vs NYG. Maybe good again today. It’s the top half DLs where they consistently struggle. PC focusing on running & big plays has historically negated this but the OL has regressed too much since the last SB year. Only time, development & new talent will mean improvement.

  13. Van Gogh says:

    Rob,

    Watched USC’s OLB Uchenna Nwosu destroy ASU last night – worth a look …….

  14. Ishmael says:

    Holy shit… I haven’t seen a pass like that on Earl in a LONG time. Griffin and Thomas got absolutely torched there. What was that, almost 60 yards?

    Good thing Watson doesn’t have the arm strength to play in the NFL…

  15. Ishmael says:

    Who’s the ST coach? When was the last return we made without giving away a penalty. Watson is absolutely slinging out here, big completion on Sherman, plays without fear. Anddd as I type this Earl with a fantastic pick over the middle, don’t think Watson realised how fast he could close.

    • Rowdy says:

      The refs just call us more for it. I counted 4 block in the backs on are punt and no call

    • Hawktalker#1 says:

      Yep, Watson is the real deal. Sure he’s going to make some mistakes he’s just a rookie, but that monster bomb was a thing of beauty. I’m a little concerned Lane is back in there, I’ve never been a fan. My only hope is they’re trying to make him look good to increases value as we try to get rid of him shortly.

  16. Volume12 says:

    Why is Lane playing? He’s trash!

  17. Rowdy says:

    How are these refs even qualified?

  18. Volume12 says:

    They got no pass rush right now. Missing Avril in a big way. And Bennett with planter fasciitis severely limits him as well. Its Clark and nothing else.

  19. Volume12 says:

    I agree with Lockett. Feed him!

  20. Volume12 says:

    Did Pete challenge that?

  21. Forrest says:

    Wow!!

  22. Ishmael says:

    Wilson had ages in the pocket there on third down. Couldn’t make it happen. Wtf, fumble and recovered 20 yards downfield? Crazy lucky, have to make it count.

    Wonder if this game will really open up into a shootout, or if the Hawks try to slow it down and drag Watson down into the mud.

  23. Ishmael says:

    Odhiambo beasted Clowney there! Great TD.

    • Hawktalker#1 says:

      +1,000,000

      Anytime we get an O lineman to do a great job, That’s extra points in my book. And that was one monster job !!!

  24. Volume12 says:

    What a throw!

    Seattle is really close to that BBall starting lineup PC wants outta his receiving core.

    C- ??
    PF- Darboh
    SF- P-Rich
    SG- Baldwin
    PG- Lockett

  25. Forrest says:

    I think PReach will be priority this offseason.

    • Hawktalker#1 says:

      He’s got a nice string of healthiness going for him there. Knock on wood. If he can stay healthy he is a value for sure. Just like C.J.might be once we can find out what he can do when he becomes healthy

  26. Volume12 says:

    Great stand there on D. They needed that sack ijn the worst way and what a play by Shaq.

  27. Forrest says:

    Now that’s a defense!

  28. Ishmael says:

    I honestly have no idea how Griffin gets the PBUs he does despite never getting his head around. Must read the receiver incredibly well.

    Another flag on a return. Oh, not on the Hawks this time. That’s a fun and exciting change!

  29. Hawktalker#1 says:

    The fact that he hardly ever turns his head around kind of freaks me out a little bit. Playing with fire if you ask me

  30. Ishmael says:

    Commentators saying the pocket crumbled around Wilson, but I reckon he was hanging onto it for over three seconds in there. Looks like guys aren’t getting open.

    Seriously, another flag on a return. Just take them out of the game. What’s the point.

  31. Hawktalker#1 says:

    Great officiating reversal. That pass was uncatchable

  32. nichansen01 says:

    What’s wrong with Sherman today?

  33. Hawktalker#1 says:

    Another outstanding pass and catch by Houston.

    Looked like Sherman wasn’t fully engaged with fuller on that one

  34. vrtkolman says:

    Reminds me of the Steelers game from 2015. Everything Houston is doing is working.

  35. Volume12 says:

    Clowney is wrecking this O-line.

  36. nichansen01 says:

    We can’t run the ball

  37. Hawktalker#1 says:

    OK. Now I’m really really really ready to get rid of Lacey

  38. East Side Stevie says:

    I knew Deshaun Watson was gonna be a problem. Man is he talented!

  39. Rowdy says:

    This team is incapable of run blocking

  40. Forrest says:

    McEvoy!!!!

  41. nichansen01 says:

    Russell Wilson is on FIRE

  42. Hawktalker#1 says:

    I think these new Seattle pass plays where they run two wide receivers on the exact same pattern are very interesting. I guess it increases our odds? Right? 🙂

    Go P-Rich

    Looks like the Seahawks are starting to turn the corner with their offense

  43. House says:

    Nice pass to McEvoy and then the TD to PRich! Let’s go!!!

  44. vrtkolman says:

    2015 again, except Russ is locking in a lot sooner. So excited for this offense.

  45. Forrest says:

    This game is shaping up to be a fun one. I just hope the defense can make some halftime adjustments.

  46. House says:

    McEvoy needs more field time. I know people were pissed when Kasen Williams didn’t make the roster. I’m glad McEvoy did

  47. Forrest says:

    McEvoy is a beast!! So glad he’s making an impact.

  48. Volume12 says:

    Shaq is a stud man.

  49. nichansen01 says:

    Shaq Griffen with his second spectacular pass break up

  50. Volume12 says:

    What kind of trash call was that?

  51. Ishmael says:

    How on earth are they making that call. If you’re calling that as a hold, it’s time to start calling guards for it on 99% of plays.

    Just having a look at the run game quickly. It’s gone nowhere, but we’ve only tried rushing seven times. Lamar Miller is only just going over 2 YP/A as well, and that’s over 13 attempts. Most of the Texans rushing has come from Watson scrambles.

  52. Volume12 says:

    Ifedi! He kills our momentum

  53. Hawktalker#1 says:

    Time for another Houston turnover

  54. Volume12 says:

    Why did they blow that play dead?

  55. Volume12 says:

    Might be time after the half here to play some Cover 1. How does KJ keep ending up on Hopkins?

    • East Side Stevie says:

      God, I tell you.. Hopkins is a baaad man. Such a great receiver. Its good to see our offense put up 21 points before halftime!

    • Ishmael says:

      Was wondering that. Best guess, Hopkins actually isn’t that fast. He wins with body control and phenomenal hands. If the Hawks think they can win, or minimise his damage, by using KJ on him within, say, 15 yards of the LOS, then it’s worth a try.

      • East Side Stevie says:

        Lol Hopkins isnt fast? Come on now thats a ridiculous thing to say. He’s an NFL WR. And he’s not fast? Why dont you take a look at his production the lasst 3 years. Then think about who’s been throwing him the ball.

        • Ishmael says:

          What? This isn’t controversial. He’s an out and out star, but he’s not fast – at least not relative to many other NFL players. Ran a 4.6 40 in the combine from memory.

          • RealRhino2 says:

            Hopkins ran a 4.57 40 at the combine, pretty slow for a WR. In the last ten years, only 42 WRs have been drafted that ran a 4.57 or worse at the combine. Compared to about 160 drafted WRs who ran a 4.56 or better.

            KJ Wright ran a 4.75, then a 4.71 at his pro day.

            • Volume12 says:

              He’s one of those guys that have better speed when u turn on the tape. Lot of guys like that.

      • Hawktalker#1 says:

        I’m always good with trying something that makes sense. But in the school of trial and error, so far it looks more error than anything else. Time to try another defensive approach.

  56. 12th chuck says:

    has anyone seen J.G. playing today?please no more penalties on special teams…

  57. Forrest says:

    Stop. Giving. Lacey. The. Ball.

  58. AlaskaHawk says:

    Pretty good first half. It’s nice to see the Offense come out firing in the first half. Defense has been great as usual. Love the Earl Campbell pick 6.

  59. Volume12 says:

    Rawls is not good at the football.

  60. vrtkolman says:

    This team needs a running back more than a LT.

  61. C-Dog says:

    7 rushing yards by Seattle with 5 minutes left in the third. Just think about that.

  62. Forrest says:

    The defense has to buckle down if they’re gonna win this game. Giving up to many big plays.

  63. Volume12 says:

    There we go Sherm!

    Watson is good for 3-4 bad decisions a game. He struggles making throws across the MOF.

  64. Forrest says:

    Here we go!!!

  65. Forrest says:

    Stop trying to run it!!!!

  66. vrtkolman says:

    Is that not a late hit out of bounds?

  67. Volume12 says:

    Gannon said Graham was money in the red zone. When? 4 years ago? Let’s not try and draft a big receiver though.

  68. House says:

    How was that not a late hit?

  69. Ishmael says:

    Lot of cheap shots on Wilson today. Not the Broncos going headhunting on Cam, but just grubby little sniping hits.

    I would love to know why we’re so bad in the red zone.

  70. Greg Haugsven says:

    We are a circus show in.the red zone, quit lifting that fade and just throw it high to his helmet.

  71. vrtkolman says:

    Should be 35-24.

  72. Volume12 says:

    Thank god they put J-Cole back in there.

  73. House says:

    Nice sack coleman

  74. House says:

    I can’t be the only one that wants to see Vannett more. If Graham rolls out Vannett is our TE. We took him in the 3rd rd and we need to see what we got

  75. Volume12 says:

    Quit giving it to Rawls! He’s losing u yards.

  76. Forrest says:

    That bounce -_-

  77. Greg Haugsven says:

    1 f%#king yard rushing.

    • Forrest says:

      It’s pretty infuriating. Clearly it isn’t working, so just stop trying to force it. I think trying to run the ball has cost them two drives at least.

  78. vrtkolman says:

    Man Shaq is getting toasted.

  79. Ishmael says:

    Hopkins is so strong. Hand fights as well as anyone. Beat Griffin up there.

    • East Side Stevie says:

      Can you admit that he is fast though my man ? (;

      • House says:

        We could’ve drafted Hopkins… That’s probably the one guy I’ll never let go of.

        The pick we traded for Percy Harvin… D-Hop was on the board!

  80. nichansen01 says:

    Ugh.

  81. Forrest says:

    -_-

  82. Greg Haugsven says:

    If they lose this game those 2 sorry red zone trips might have been the story.

  83. House says:

    Dammit Luke

  84. East Side Stevie says:

    I like the aggressive play calling by bevel staying consistent with the deep balls. I just cant figure out why our redzone offense struggles. I wouldnt mind stopping the running play calls though. Especially those damn reverses we have been running all year and they never work. How about P rich though?! Man has he turned his career around in the last 2 seasons. I hope we re sign him. He has been great!

  85. nichansen01 says:

    CUT LACY AND RAWLS

  86. Volume12 says:

    Keep leaving Rawls out there though. He’s cost us 2 TDs

    • East Side Stevie says:

      Its frustrating how inconsistent he is. I wouldnt doubt it that at some point in the season he starts contributing. Only to suffer a playoff injury lol. Thats about his luck.

  87. Greg Haugsven says:

    Just cut Rawls, he’s hurting us more than he’s helping us.

    • Del Tre says:

      The coaching staff isn’t too keen on playing to our offensive players strengths. If that isn’t Thomas Rawls in the endzone we get a TD, almost guarenteed

  88. nichansen01 says:

    Baldwin with the flop

  89. Ishmael says:

    FFS Rawls. This team keeps finding new and exciting ways to shoot itself in the foot.

  90. Greg Haugsven says:

    I can’t believe we are winning g this game.

  91. Forrest says:

    Just take the RBs out of the game…this is a sad joke.

  92. Ishmael says:

    Ha there’s your boy V12. Red Zone monster haha.

    I love our little midget receivers. They play so tough, Richardson especially. So much tougher than our tight ends.

    • East Side Stevie says:

      +1

      • East Side Stevie says:

        Ishmael Im nit trying to be an asshole, but that is why I said what I said earlier about Hopkins. He definitely has some speed. 40 times dont always correlate to in the game speed my man.

        • Ishmael says:

          Dude. It’s relative. He’s significantly slower than genuinely fast guys. You’re the only person I’ve ever come across who thinks he’s fast.

          He runs well in pads, sure. But he’s not quick, and that’s more than likely why Seattle were trying to use KJ to cover him close.

          • East Side Stevie says:

            Okay but a guy who is not fast doesnt make plays. He is fast. I never said he was quick, quick is a different narrative than fast.

  93. vrtkolman says:

    Gotta think we’re not done yet, Watson is gonna score again, hopefully they hold him to a field goal.

  94. Forrest says:

    Defense! I’m looking at you. End this game.

  95. nichansen01 says:

    Wow

  96. Volume12 says:

    Hopkins is ‘nuking’ us. Ha! See what I did there?

  97. Volume12 says:

    Can Seattle put 1 game together where they play well on all 3 phases?

    Watson is incredible though.

  98. Ishmael says:

    Oh my God…

    Haven’t given up a fourth quarter TD all year and now two this game? Hopkins is a monster. Who’s better than him at the moment? Antonio Brown?

  99. Forrest says:

    -_____- *&#^%&*$%#

  100. East Side Stevie says:

    Anybody see earl tweak his hamstring on the Hopkins TD

  101. Volume12 says:

    Russ out here throwing stuff arms! That’s my QB!

  102. vrtkolman says:

    If we pull this out, Russell has become the best QB in the NFL imo. Not even Rodgers could win this game with 1 rushing yard from the running backs.

  103. East Side Stevie says:

    Damnnnn that hurts

  104. Ishmael says:

    Horror pass. That’s game.

  105. Volume12 says:

    2 key plays.

    Rawls dropping the TD, and Watson’s scramble for the 1st on 3rd & 14

  106. Forrest says:

    sadface.jpeg

  107. Volume12 says:

    Would love of our teams ever set up blocks on punt and kick returns. I mean they do, just in the back.

  108. Volume12 says:

    Hurry, hurry.

  109. Volume12 says:

    Spike it!

  110. Volume12 says:

    My favorite player on this team in Jimmy Graham coming through. I have zero recollection of calling him trash.

  111. East Side Stevie says:

    LETS GO!!!!!!!!!

  112. AlaskaHawk says:

    I love the hurry up offense. Go Seahawks!!

  113. East Side Stevie says:

    FUCK YES!!!!!!!!! LETS GO!!!!!!!

  114. Volume12 says:

    Frraannkkk!!!

  115. East Side Stevie says:

    Thank you SHERM

  116. Volume12 says:

    Ball game baby!

    Instant classic here Hawks fans.

  117. AlaskaHawk says:

    Wow, great effort on both teams for the whole game!!! Wow. I love it = and the ending!!!

  118. Rowdy says:

    Unbelievable finish, Wilson is amazing, clearly a top 3 qb with everything he’s dealt with.

  119. Forrest says:

    I was saying Hail Marys the whole time!!! Jesus payed off boys (and girls)!!!! What a game!!!

  120. Volume12 says:

    My god! I’m literally shaking.

  121. Sea Mode says:

    Yeah baby!

  122. Volume12 says:

    Watson is something else. Hats off to him. He’s the next Russ, but this game was an all time classic.

    We are a passing team now fellas.

  123. Ishmael says:

    UNBELIEVABLE!

    Game of the year.

  124. nichansen01 says:

    Great game!!!

  125. Trevor says:

    WOW! The must fun I have had watching a Hawks game in a long time.

    Watson and Russ are the new prototype NFL QB.

  126. 12th chuck says:

    LOVE IT!!!!bring on Washington!

  127. Ishmael says:

    Just win baby

    The last two minutes of that melted my mind. Superstars stood up when it mattered. All you can ask for.

  128. millhouse-serbia says:

    Aaaaaaaaaaa…P Rich was the key player…I just hope that ET injury isn’t serious…

  129. Sea Mode says:

    NEW THREAD UP.