Kawann Short vs Sheldon Rankins

February 12th, 2016 | Written by Rob Staton

Why Kawann Short fell and why Sheldon Rankins won’t

Josh Norris’ latest mock draft has Sheldon Rankins paired with the Seahawks at #26:

“Don’t get me started on Rankins. He is a top 10 talent in this draft. He is a true upfield disruptor who is smooth, quick and versatile with his hands to win the balance advantage. I’ll go as far to say that Rankins could be this year’s Kawann Short. The Seahawks love disruption, and Rankins would offer it.”

In January 2013 I wrote a piece suggesting the Seahawks should draft Kawann Short with their first round pick (later traded for Percy Harvin):

“He generally does a great job getting off blocks using nice hands and flashing great athleticism for his size. He’ll shoot a gap effectively and gets a nice quick burst off the snap. He’s shown decent ability on stunts to skip wide and attack from a different angle. You see the swim, club and spin moves — so he’ll be creative and keep an offensive lineman guessing. When he gets low and drives into his blocker he can flash a solid bull rush. Sometimes he gets too high and loses leverage but this is coachable.”

Short lived in the backfield at Purdue and there isn’t a player with his pass-rushing technique in this draft class. He fell into round two (pick #44) and has since developed into one of the top defensive tackles in the league.

Surely if a player of that quality can drop all the way to #44 — Rankins could suffer a similar fate?


#1 — Age
Short was a 24-year-old rookie. He turned 27 a few days ago. These are the peak years of his career — and he’s still on his rookie contract. Sly Williams (in Short’s draft class) also fell to the late first round (he was a 25-year-old rookie). Sharrif Floyd was a weaker pass-rusher than both in college — but he was 21 in his rookie year.

Sheldon Rankins is 21. He turns 22 on April 2nd. Age is a factor.

#2 — Motor
There were always concerns about Short’s effort at Purdue. A 2012 game against Ohio State still sticks in the memory to this day. As good as he is/was — he mailed it in against the Buckeyes. Teams often focus on the tape vs your best three opponents. That was a bad showing.

Here’s what I noted in the article endorsing him for the Seahawks in round one:

Unlike Sheldon Richardson and Sharrif Floyd, the motor seems to stop running when the play moves away from his part of the field. Richardson turns into a linebacker when the play kicks out wide, tracking the ball carrier and often being the one to make the decisive tackle. Short, more often than not, shuts down and doesn’t make the effort.

Nobody is going to doubt Sheldon Rankins’ motor. After watching three Louisville games since the Senior Bowl — Rankins just keeps on going. He hustles to the ball-carrier, keeps his feet moving and doesn’t take plays off. Teams are really going to the like the effort they see on tape. It’s similar to Austin Johnson at Penn State who will also likely go early.

Rankins proved he’s athletic when he turned up in Mobile and lit up the competition in practise. Couple that with a relentless motor and it’s a far cry from Short’s inconsistent effort.

#3 — Conditioning
Short always looked big at Purdue — like he was carrying extra weight. This was a noted concern going into the draft. When Short attended the Senior Bowl in 2013 he looked a lot leaner — having shed around 10-15lbs. It would’ve concerned teams, however, that they were going to need to monitor this situation during his career.

Rankins is a compact, cannonball of a defensive lineman. For some schemes he’ll be undersized at 6-1 and 304lbs and it’s hard to imagine him fitting in a 3-4 defense. For the 4-3 teams he’s the ideal size for a three-technique.

Pete Carroll is a Bill Walsh protégé. Walsh’s ideology for each football position was published by the Pro Sports Xchange a few years ago. Here’s what he wanted in a defensive tackle:

Ideal size: 6-2, 290

Must have the girth, strength, ballast to hold off the guard, or to step into a tackles’ block without being knocked off the line of scrimmage.

Quick, strong hands to grab and pull are critical. This is common with the great tackles. The hands, the arms, the upper body strength and then the quick feet to take advantage of a moving man, just getting him off balance.

You are looking for somebody who can move down the line of scrimmage and make a tackle, pursuing a ball-carrier. That would be lateral quickness in a short area, being able to get underway and move over and through people. If you get knocked off the line, or get knocked sideways or knocked off balance, you cannot play this position. You must be able to work your way through people, so that kind of strength is a must.

The best defensive tackles move the offensive guard back into the quarterback. They won’t have nearly as many sacks as others, but if they can move the guard back into the quarterback, then the quarterback has to avoid his own lineman as if he were a pass rusher before he throws the ball. So this is a key ability.

Not only is Rankins close to the size ideal, he also ticks a lot of boxes here. He moves down the LOS easily, working his way through traffic. He’s powerful at the point of attack with the ability to shoot gaps. His compact frame provides the “ballast” and “girth” Walsh refers to.

It’s also worth noting the bit about, “they won’t have nearly as many sacks as others.” For all the talk of needing more pass rush in the interior — Seattle’s preference for stoutness up front is perhaps indicative of Walsh’s influence on Carroll. The one key difference is Carroll’s willingness to sign bigger defensive tackles to achieve the same goal (Athbya Rubin is surely the only 330lbs three-technique in the NFL).

For teams with a similar mentality (eg — Atlanta with Dan Quinn) — Rankins will be just as ideal. The thought of him slipping beyond the Falcons and through to #26 feels like wishful thinking. As good as Kawann Short is — there just aren’t the same kind of question marks with Sheldon Rankins.

One final note. This interaction on Twitter is quite interesting…

This is a very deep defensive line class with plenty of big name, star power. It’s also a group filled with compromises.

The more secure, polished defensive linemen will go early. Rankins falls into that category.

If you want an alternative that might be available to Seattle — keep an eye on Ohio State’s Adolphus Washington. He flashed during the Senior Bowl practises with some impressive speed, get-off and hand-use. He was streaky in college but had enough splash plays to be interesting. He might be the best interior rusher in this class. He lacks Rankins’ powerful base and size in the lower body. He is extremely quick.

He also has 34 inch arms (impressive length) and good size with minimal bad weight (6-3, 297lbs).

This is what he’s capable of…

Works to get off the block with great hands, power and speed. Finishes with a sack. He’s too strong and quick for Brian Allen (Jack’s brother):

Good use of length to keep Jack Allen away from his frame, excellent counter move after Allen recovers to spin into the quarterback. Would’ve been a splash play in a game:

Draws a double team, reads the play to notice the dump-off before intercepting the pass for a pick-six:

This is how to shoot a gap in the run game:

Fast forward the video below to 11:40 for two snaps of Adolphus Washington vs Joshua Garnett. On the first play Washington tries to bull-rush Garnett who just about contains him (he’s pushed back into the pocket). On the next play Washington wins with a beautiful spin move. Fast forward to 16:15 to watch Washington have Joe Dahl’s lunch money. Dahl does a much better job on the second 1v1.

235 Responses to “Kawann Short vs Sheldon Rankins”

  1. Where do you think Washington goes Rob? Would we have to use our 1st rounder to get him or if we could trade it down and end up with a high 2nd rounder we could possibly still get him? Or is he a 2/3 round guy?

    I love the idea of trading back and still getting a DT 2x OL and a LB in the first 3 rounds. DT is very deep, if you can get one of the best (like Rankins) then go for it, but if not then take advantage of other teams going for DT and not OL/LB/etc and go for those positions until you hit a point that there is a DT you really like. Or if say Washington is who they really like and they feel they can get him with a high 2nd (instead of our low 1st) then trade back, get another pick in the top 4 rounds (giving us 2 picks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds) and get Washington.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I could honestly see him going as early as the late first and as late as the end of the second or third round.

      He blotted his copybook at the end of the season with the suspension/red flag. Teams need to look into that. Also need to consider his role at the next level. Is he a 30-40-50% impact snaps type a game? If he’s not an every down DT what range is best for him? Have to consider multiple things.

    • Willyeye says:

      Just wanted to mention…I’m pretty sure you could trade our first round #26 pick for a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder, at least according to the numerical values on draft trade charts. This would give us 2- 2nd’s, 3- 3rd’s, and 1- 4th.

      • Rob Staton says:

        You’d have to trade back deep into round two for that. Draft chart a bit outdated these days — teams trade back into R1 on the cheap it seems nowadays.

        • EranUngar says:


          Can we exchange our late 1st and 3rd round pics with someone’s top 2nd and 3rd pics?

          That would give us a nice spread – TOP 2ND, END 2ND, TOP 3RD, END 3RD.

          • Rob Staton says:

            Maybe. If you’re only moving down a few spots in round one, the other team is giving up a lot of ground in round three. They’d have to love the guy in R1.

        • purpleneer says:

          I agree, but I gotta call you out for the examples you used in one of the recent podcasts. I’m pretty sure you said a swap of 5ths on the Hawks first drop before picking Richardson, though the initial 8-pick drop fully netted them a high 4th and the next 5-pick drop netted a 5th-to-4th jump plus a 6th.

          • purpleneer says:

            edit: plus a 7th (not 6th)

          • Rob Staton says:

            I was referring to another trade — Tampa Bay and Denver. Not the Seahawks.

            • purpleneer says:

              Fair enough, but that was still a big move in the 4th for a drop from 31 to 36, pretty much an outlier and starting with a pick substantially lower than where the Hawks are. There was also a smaller move in the top of the 2nd last year that netted a 4th-plus.
              This all goes to show that teams do seem to vary pick values, which they should, but it’s not like it’s become cheap to get into the first with any regularity.

  2. Trevor says:

    If the following combination of players was available in Rds #1 and #2 when the Hawks pick which do you think is the better choice for the Seahawks

    Rd#1 Coleman (OT) Rd#2 Chris Jones (DT)


    Rd#1 Rankins (DT) Rd #2 LaRaven Clark (OT)

    • Rob Staton says:

      Both similar.

      Two accomplished, physical, gritty players in round one.

      Two raw athletes with major upside in round two.

    • matt says:

      I’d go Coleman and Jones.

      • purpleneer says:

        Me too. Plus there’s more worthwhile alternatives to Jones in the 2nd, and OT is the spot where a guy who’s not ready puts you in a worse spot

      • purpleneer says:

        Me too. Plus there’s more worthwhile alternatives to Jones in the 2nd, and OT is the spot where a guy who’s not ready puts you in a worse spot.
        I like Rankins, and he’s the DT most surely ready to help, but I’m not sold on the dropoff after him.

  3. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Nick Martin sure looked good in his 1v1s.

    Washington flashes the goods to be a R1 pick. But he also disappears for long stretches. Good value at 56, but seems like a reach at 26.

  4. bobbyk says:

    Rob & others,

    I have a question: Does anything think Breno Giacomini could move from RT to LG? He’s almost in that 325 pound range that Cable loves. The Jets think he’s terrible and are going to get rid of him and we know Cable loves him. He will come cheap.

    For the record, I never thought he was very good at RT. However, one thing we have to realize is that no matter how bad it was or is, it can always be worse.

    Case in point: James Carpenter. I never liked him and never thought he was any good (had he been a sixth round pick, I would have liked him fine). However, as happy as I was to see him go, it actually got worse at LG without out (careful what you wish for). The same is true with Breno. I was happy he left. However, RT actually got worse with Britt.

    I always liked Breno the run blocker; hated Breno the pass “protector.” Anything think it’s possible he could come in on the cheap and play LG? He’s a brawler and might be better suited to the close quarters of the interior line, as opposed to playing on an island at tackle.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I’d happily have him back whatever the position. Thought he got a rough deal from Seahawks fans overall. Might be a surprise to note — but he faced virtually every top tier D-end during his time in Seattle. Very rarely got beat too. People’s opinion of Breno were heavily influenced by the penalties early in his time with the Hawks. Once he sorted that out he was very good.

      It depends whether they want to go short term on the OL.

      • EranUngar says:

        Me too. I loved Breno when he played, especially during the 2013 season after he cleaned his dumb penalties.

        If we can get him at a low cost i’d call it a HUGE WIN.

      • Jarhead's Sokoli Bandwagon says:

        Seconded. Breno was a thug and violent and always pushingnguys around near or at the whistle blow and it was awesome. I woukd take 4 or 5 personal fouls in season, helping to reestablish our intimidation, in exchange for the seive that Britt has always been. Breno was more important to our OLine than any of us could have realized

      • Attyla the Hawk says:

        Miss that rough edge. I think the OL group needs more of that.

    • Trevor says:

      I would love to see Breno as out LG in 2016. How about this

      Rd#1 Conklin
      Rd#4 Jack Allen
      FA Vet Breno

      2016 OL (Nastiest in NFL)

      LT Gilliam
      LG Breno
      C Jack Allen
      RG Clowinski
      RT Conklin

      They would be hell to play against for 4 Qs

      • bobbyk says:

        I think that having a veteran like Breno at LG would still allow them to draft one of the Arkansas guards potentially in the 3rd round and have them available to take over for him in a year or two. Might be a good plan for ’16 (Breno) and the future (having a guy in the system for a year before having him take over for at least the next three years). I don’t know how willing Breno would be to moving inside to LG though? And then if your rookie really stands out and dominates and starts at LG from day one, you really wouldn’t be out too much financially because nobody else is going to give Breno much money. Or maybe Breno really finds his niche at LG and those closed quarters and plays extremely well for a few years. It seems like a win-win scenario.

      • Rob Staton says:

        Really not convinced by Allen in Seattle.

        Tough as nails — yes. But seems to have all the limitations Seattle is seeking to avoid in the interior moving forward.

        • bobbyk says:

          I wonder if the Wisniewski rumors are true about the Seahawks having interest. Although he’s supposedly a middle-of-the-road player, only 13 centers in the NFL had positive grades (according to PFF) and he was one of them. He’s durable and isn’t exactly old yet either.

          • Rob Staton says:

            Not sure if there are rumours or if it’s just the fact he visited with them last year. There’s a reason he lasted so long on the open market a year ago. That bothers me.

            • Trevor says:

              What do you think the reason is Rob? I watched his tape and he looks solid to me. Is it an attitude issue?

              • Rob Staton says:

                I think he wanted too much money. Thought he was going to get paid the big bucks and it never happened. So he waited out the best offer.

                If he played well in Jacksonville (I haven’t watched him to judge) he’ll probably be after some significant money again.

                Kind of a take it or leave it player for me.

                • bobbyk says:

                  Wisniewski also had the injury last off-season that scared teams away from throwing big money after him. He had a torn labrum and yet played through it before having off-season surgery. Instead of teams being impressed that he finished out the season playing while injured, teams didn’t want to give him the big bucks because he waited so long to have it fixed and there were no guarantees he’d be 100% for the start of the season. Nevertheless, he played in 16 games. Again. He’s missed three career games in five seasons and he’s still only 26 years old.

                  • Steele says:

                    Wisniewski is okay, asked for too much money. I still feel that way about him. So it’s whether you prefer a decent center, or look at ways to put a long term great answer at center.

                  • Rob Staton says:

                    Personally, I wouldn’t want to throw money at him.

                    Oakland gave $9m APY to Rodney Hudson over keeping Wisniewski (probably at a lower cost) who was already on their roster. That’s telling IMO.

                  • bobbyk says:

                    Don’t forget the bad blood of the Wisniewski family had towards the Raiders at that time (year previous, mainly). Stephan’s uncle was a star guard himself and was pretty much forced out from coaching there while Stephan was under contract. It was a little ugly.

                  • bobbyk says:

                    Steele – I just have a question and it’s not meant to be negative, but you are okay adding a 25-year old Shon Coleman in the draft but you’re not okay with a 26-year old Wisniewski to be a long term answer at center (he’d probably sign a 4 year deal). It’s not like him making $2.5 million last year to be one of 13 centers in the NFL that had a positive grade was like Hudson and his $9 million/year contract. Giving a guy who can solidify the center position for 4-5 years for about $3 million per season is a pretty good deal, imo. I wouldn’t go $4 million for him, but think he could be a stabilizing answer for the middle of our line and wouldn’t mind him given the price.

        • Trevor says:

          You don’t think he is good enough in pass pro? When I watch the game tape it is not always pretty but he rarely if ever gives up much pressure and battles from the snap till well after.

          • Rob Staton says:

            I think it’s everything really Trevor. Lack of stature, too easily beaten by quickness and a good counter, can be driven backwards, minimal upside.

            To me Allen’s the kind of center available most years. Tough, but undersized, not particularly athletic and fairly average.

            Wouldn’t fancy him against Aaron Donald twice a year.

            • Trevor says:

              Good point about Donald. I prefer Martin and Kelly over Allen but I just cannot picture JS taking a Center in Rd#1 and I think those 2 will be gone before we pick in Rd #2

              • CHawk Talker Eric says:

                Glasgow seems like a good R3 option at C if SEA miss out on Martin/Kelly/Whitehair earlier. Joe Dahl a good R4 option if they miss on Glasgow.

                • Volume12 says:

                  Agreed about Dahl and Glasgow at C.

                  Trev, not sure that Conklin has the foot speed for RT after watching him some more.

                  • CHawk Talker Eric says:

                    Conklin would look good at LG for SEA, but is that the best use of their R1 pick?

                    I think it’s unlikely both Martin and Kelly make it past 50. But Whitehair might, and depending on what they do at 26, he could be a nice pick in R2.

                  • Rob Staton says:

                    Increasingly I’m also thinking Conklin’s a guard.

              • Rob Staton says:

                I don’t think they have to take a center at all really. Could go the veteran route. Prefer Glasgow to Allen.

                • Greg haugsven says:

                  I’m telling you Kyle Friend, center from Temple. Dude will tear up the combine and get people talking.

              • Willyeye says:

                Might be a good spot to trade down then…maybe get Martin or Kelly in the 2nd round at around #45-50 overall? Get an extra 3rd round pick. Having 2- 2nd’s and 3- 3rd’s would actually be kind of nice.

                • purpleneer says:

                  That’s way too far to drop without getting substantially more. And I would be very wary of dropping more than 6-8 even with very good compensation.

            • EranUngar says:

              Rob, the Donald remark was very true but unfair.

              I do not fancy any rookie, G/C/T that i would fancy against Donald. There are possibly a handful of those in the NFL if at all.

              The likes of Donald or Watt should not be used as a bench mark for rookies.

              • Volume12 says:

                Ya know what CHAWK, I’m starting to wonder if Conklin ends up in the 1st round at all.

                If he doen’t test well, he might end up outta the 2nd round.

              • Rob Staton says:

                Alright I’ll rephrase. I’d be especially concerned watching Allen vs Donald, as supposed to just concerned.

                • EranUngar says:

                  We all would be.

                  I’m just saying that watching Martin vs Donald may be almost as concerning. I’m not sure i’ll be all that calm watching Alex Mack facing Donald.

                • Wall UP says:

                  What Allen will do is wear on Donald. By the 4th Qtr Donald’s speed will lessen and more susceptible to the run. The best way to beat LA is to pound the rock. Run straight at Donald.

                  The Rams excelled in pass rush scenarios due their speed and have quick backside penetration on Zblkg scheme stretch plays. If you keep gaps tight you can eliminate their penetration more so.

                  That is what I noticed with Michigan St. With Allen under center for the Hawks, and having tight fits up front, they will be able to stymie their penetrations, running and passing.

                  The one on one drills that you showed are deceptive because there will be no side help in a drill and the defender has an advantage by going wider than normal causing a reach from the offensive player resulting to a spin move with both players off balance and on the ground.

                  You won’t get that type of penetration with tight fits. Allen is too strong to be put on skates. In tight fits, frankly I think he will hold own against Donald in the phone booth. I would go right at him. Pound the rock.

                  Britt would also benefit with tighter fits against LA as well. Allen excels in one arm help as he displayed in some of those Senior drills. With good communication Britt could favor his left, knowing that he has inside help with tight fits.

                  On the contrary, Allen does fit what the Hawks are looking for in a center. He won’t get pushed around. He’s like a wily vet as a rookie. Intelligent, a bonified leader, a grinder, a tough SOG that won’t back down from anybody, just plain nasty that will just wear you down. I think the Captain will do quite well as center for the Hawks.

                  • Rob Staton says:

                    I disagree to be honest Wall Up. Allen did those things in college but this is another level now. Even in the Senior Bowl he was getting pushed around a lot more. He’s a player who played with tremendous grit, effort and character in college. But he’s still limited. He isn’t going to beat up Aaron Donald. The chances are Aaron Donald will have his lunch-money because he’s a vastly superior athlete. Allen was getting beat by Adolphus Washington without a double team in the Senior Bowl practises.

                    The best way to slow him down IMO is to use Donald’s one weakness against him — size and length. Smother him. You’re not going to win every down but you’ve got a better chance of slowing him down. You’re not going to out-work him and you won’t wear him down with a guy of Allen’s stature. Stick a guy in front of him carrying an extra 30lbs with superior length and girth and then you’ve got a shot.

                  • Wall UP says:

                    We all know no center has a chance one on one against Donald. What I was enfuring was that with tight gap integrity, penetration can be stymied to a degree, against run and pass scenarios.

                    Against a 4 man front, the center would lend support at both gaps, depending upon need. Allen excels at one arm support when needed in PPro, and double team mauling in run dns. That’s where Donald will struggle over time with two +300lb lineman, LG or RG with the center, pounding him for 4 qtrs.

                    Against a 3 man NT over center, you won’t be facing Donald. SF and Cardinal’s NTs do not have the same quickness. Here again, tight fits and awareness of stunts and blitz are some things he does well.

                    Those drills aren’t a realistic view of real game action. You have to look at film to get a better prospective of what will happen in the future. If Adolphus tried to make a move like the drill in a real life game, he’d get knocked on his butt by the LG. Let’s be real. I have yet to see tape of it occurring in the years of battling one another.

                    I hope there’s an opportunity to see how Allen would do against the the big fellas’. All we can do is just speculate. I think he has a chance. : – )

  5. Brandon says:

    Rob, thoughts on Sheldon Day in round 2 or 3? Will probably need to gain some weight, but has nice athleticism. He doesn’t seem to get consistent penetration but do you think he can be coached up? He has great attitude.

    Also have you taken a look at much Michigan tape? I’m interested in CB/S Wayne Lyons. 6’1 193 pounds. Transferred from Stanford to Michigan because he wanted to get degrees from both schools as well as refine his game. He is very smart and has that ” work till you drop mentality”. Enjoys learning and likes to be a leader. I’m thinking he will be available in the 5-6 range.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Not watched Lyons but on Day he was very active but I was a bit disappointed he couldn’t get off blocks. Not sure what he is. End or tackle? Just a rush specialist in a NASCAR? Big question marks.

      • KD says:

        I’m willing to give any of Harbaugh’s guys a second look. The guy just knows how to coach and coach up players.

  6. Nate says:

    Age and possible health concerns make me think there is a very high possibility of Shon Coleman being there at #26. I would prefer tot take Coleman there over Washington.

  7. Volume12 says:

    Completely agree about DT Adolphus Washington.

    Been trying to say for some time that he’s ‘Seahawky.’

    I’ll bring this up one last time. Him disappearing for stretches isn’t a weakness in his game. The same things were said about DT Jaye Howard, they drafted him, the same things were said about DL Mario Edwards, jr., VMAC visitor.

    You put him in a rotation like Seattle uses on the D-line, and it becomes a moot point. Also, it’s a big time motivational tool/tactic. Guys that are labeled as such will come into the league with a huge chip on their shouldr trying to disspell the notion and prove people wrong.

    • Steele says:

      How is disappearing for long stretches not a weakness in his game? I think he has huge flaws. Just doesn’t make plays, gets stuck in the pile without disrupting things. Is he gassed or out of shape? If he flat out outplayed? I think there are several DTs with more get off and energy than Adolphus.

      • Rob Staton says:

        Let’s be right here — he doesn’t disappear for long stretches. He’s streaky like a lot of college DT prospects. The suggestion he ‘just doesn’t make plays’ simply isn’t true. I watched (virtually forced to) nearly every Ohio State game in 2015 because they were a trendy pick for TV over here. Washington made plays in every game. Did he dominate in the way Bosa did a few times when he returned? No. But without fail there were a handful of plays every time where Washington flashed.

        He’s a quick-twitch pass rusher. Might be the only one in this class next to Rankins. He also has 34 inch arms which is a massive bonus.

      • Volume12 says:

        How is it a weakness? It’s a flaw, not a weakness. Big difference.

        What do you mean he doesn’t make plays? Is this what you’ve concluded after listening to Matt Waldman and watching one game?

        He makes splash plays, quick, disruptive, fires into his gaps, actually holds his gaps unlike half the DTs projected to go early, gets a lot of pressures, can bull rush, really good run defender, shed blocks, great length, versatile enough to play in any scheme, has enough speed and athleticism to get to the sidlines, stays/gets low coming outta his stance.

        Only weakness I see, his hand speed and how much he uses them. That can be taught.

        • Volume12 says:

          There’s a great article on NBA stars SF’s Kawhi Leonard and Draymond Greene about their length and why it’s so important.

          Same thing pertains to the NFL.

        • Steele says:

          Washington does not do much here

          looks better here

          Dane Brugler’s take at CBS is similar to Waldman/Riddle’s in terms of him getting stuck in the flow rather than recognizing and busting through.

          Rob has watched more of him, so I defer to what he sees. I will remain neutral on him.

          • Rob Staton says:

            The Seahawks will generally focus on what a player can do — not what he can’t. I sense Brugler, Waldman and others are focusing too much on the flaws. Which is fine. But there isn’t a player who does ‘pass-rushing’ with quickness better than Washington in this class.

            There isn’t an Ndamukong Suh in this class. Washington might be the best impact interior rusher — and that’s ultimately what Seattle needs.

            • Ben2 says:

              So could he be had in the late 2nd or will one of the 4-3 teams grab him early 2nd round – necessitating we use our 1st to get him (either after modest trade down or standing pat)?

              • Rob Staton says:

                Character is big here. It might put some teams off and he could fall into the middle rounds.

                Have to wait and see what teams are thinking with him.

              • CHawk Talker Eric says:

                He’s a top 40 pick right now, but could easily rise into the bottom of R1 with good Combine testing and interviews.

          • Attyla the Hawk says:

            Here’s my take on it:

            Seattle has been pretty consistent on wanting guys that have quick twitch. That can beat their 1 on 1 matchup clean at times and really be disruptive.

            And we have a bunch of those guys.

            What Seattle doesn’t really have are guys who can win with strength. Guys that just are hard to block clean. Guys that can continually ride a guard back into the face of a QB.

            There is more than one way to skin a cat. And there’s more to pass rush than just winning with speed. Seattle has however clearly sought speed rushers and not strength rushers.

            Washington is going to suffer what most speed rushers suffer. When OL aren’t put under stress with the initial move — the pass rush effect is essentially over. Washington does show skills in beating guys with secondary moves when they are out of position/balance reacting to his speed rush.

            If we’re left with what a guy can do — Washington can win with speed. Not unlike a lot of the guys we have.

            If we believe that this team likes to add different quality (e.g. we keep Kearse because he’s the only consistent red line receiver of our group), then it might follow that we aren’t looking to add a Bennett/Avril/Clark doppleganger. We don’t really have good power rushers in our DL group. Guys that can attack a gap with strength and collapse it. Hill might have been the closest to that kind of guy and we missed that missing component this past year. Maybe we’re looking for someone to provide his type of pass rush. Because it seems we are flush with the kind that Washington can provide.

            It’ll be an interesting draft. I can see why Washington could be our guy. He’s similar in type to what we’ve added in the past. Ultimately, I think Pete has a great eye for pass rush talent. So I’m comfortable with whomever he brings in.

            • Rob Staton says:

              It comes back to what they’re looking for though. The reason they like speed pass rushers so much is because the mentality dictates — shut down the run, gap control, discipline — in base defense. Mebane and Rubin don’t lack any power — but when their key responsibility isn’t to throw everything at an OL and is to make sure they’re not giving up 5-6 YPA, you’re going to have the Seahawks defense. You put the opponent in a situation where they feel they have to pass and that’s when the speed rushers go to town.

              People don’t have to agree with this way of doing things necessarily — but it has produced two Super Bowl teams, a perennial contender and one of the best defenses in the NFL for multiple years. The big difference in 2015 was a discombobulated secondary thanks to Kam and Cary Williams — and the lack of production provided by McDonald (2013) and Hill (2014).

              Stop the run. Run the ball. Make big plays in the passing game. Eliminate big plays for the other team.

              That’s the Seahawks.

    • C-Dog says:

      I agree. I’ve thought the Seahawky-ness about him as well. Plus, he’s played all over the line. Started out as an end, played the nose, and then moved to 3 tech. Carroll loves, covets players that are versatile, especially on defense. In the Ohio St games I’ve watched, I’ve always liked him.

  8. CharlieTheUnicorn says:

    I would encourage anyone looking for some tid-bits on the invited combine players to hit up ..


    They have some of the measurables: height, weight, arm length and hand size / this will be filled out as the combine progresses…. so it is worth keeping an eye on the smaller school guys during the combine.
    Some of the smaller school prospects have very little information currently, but the “big time” guys have nice write-ups from a scouting point of view. I would take these into account with other information from a few other scouting/draft websites (SPARQ is a nice one for WRs, CBs, LBs) when trying to predict Seattle Seahawks fits.

  9. KD says:

    On a side note, are there any thoughts on bringing in Matt Forte as a 3rd down back since Chicago will not be bringing him back? He’s 30 but still a capable player, but would he be a fit in Seattle? it’s an interesting possibility to consider, though I’d rather draft Perkins who i absolutely love now since he has been highlighted on the blog.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Can’t imagine the cost of Forte fits into Seattle’s plan (also not convinced he’ll be signing anywhere that sees him as a third down back).

      • Volume12 says:

        Wanna see what newly signed RB Cameron Marshall looks like.

        He’s supposed to be a very effective receiver outta the backfield and had really good numbers in the CFL too.

        Could just be a camp body too though.

        • Michael M. says:

          I’ve got my heart set on one guy for an addition to the backfield. Alex Mother F’ing Collins… If we get him 3rd round or later, I will be jumping for joy.

  10. vrtkolman says:

    If you think Washington could be the best interior rusher in the draft, I would have no problems using the first round pick on him. It seems like every day, new DT prospects shine. This DT class appears very deep.

  11. Steele says:

    Interesting that Rob’s analysis of Adolphus Washington is far more positive than that of Matt Waldman and Ryan Riddle. Here Washington does not penetrate or recognize the plays well. Does too much following and getting stuck in trash. Is more of a 2 down 1-tech than a disruptive 3-tech (which is what I think the Hawks need).


    I think he’s overrated. I would prefer several others to Washington.

  12. GeoffU says:

    If Rankins makes it there, would he be worth trading our 3rd to move up into the 19-21 range to snag him?

    Unheard of I know, Seattle trading up, but we did for Lockett and we should end up with an extra 3rd. How is the end of the 3rd looking in terms of draft talent?

  13. Volume12 says:

    Seattle just used $1.6 of their cap space. Gave TE Luke Willson a raise.

    Didn’t see that coming, but he deserves it. Dude goes hard every game.

    • MisterNeutron says:

      Good news. Willson has progressed as a receiver and as a blocker, and is a valuable weapon. He also helps mitigate the need for a taller WR.

      On a related note, think Seattle will draft a TE in a later round (6-7), and/or perhaps snag one or two from the UDFA pool? Two that stand out to me are Darion Griswold (Arkansas St) and David Morgan (UTSA). They both have the size, strength, and good hands you’d want, and at least decent blocking ability based on the limited film that’s out there.

      • Greg haugsven says:

        Is it a raise or the proven performance escalator ? It would only be about $1 million in actually cap space addition if it is.

      • Volume12 says:

        It’d possible they take a TE in the 7th or UDFA.

        Don’t think Morgan has enough speed for Seattle. Looks he’s running in quicksand.

    • Troy says:

      source on that? I don’t see anything on the hawks site regarding a contract change.

    • bobbyk says:

      Did he sign an extension?

    • Davidess says:

      Don’t think they game him a raise per se but it was more or less in his contract on how he played..so like an incentive was met. Least that’s how I read it.

    • Willyeye says:

      This wasn’t actually a raise from the Seahawks even though they will be paying him the extra money. Willson earned this raise due to a performance escalator from the CBA. Luke was 1 of around 20 players who received this raise this year by playing in 35% of their teams’ offensive/defensive snaps in the first 3 years of their rookie contract.

  14. Steele says:

    A sleeper edge pass rusher. Alex McCalister


    Like him in the mid/low rounds.

    • Volume12 says:

      He’s interesting.

    • bobbyk says:

      Early round talent. Needs to make better decisions in life.

    • EranUngar says:

      Great speed, bend and turn.

      But, zero power, stood up and manhandled badly when the offensive lineman gets a hand on him. Not sure he is fast enough to get by NFL tackles untouched and has nothing to offer when he is touched.

      • bobbyk says:

        One of his coaches at Florida is a former student of mine. I sent him a Facebook message last night after reading what Steele wrote. He says he’s most definitely fast enough to get by NFL tackles. I’ll just leave it at that.

        I also joked with him last night that I was mad they didn’t play Auburn or Arkansas this past season because I really wanted to know about his take on Shon Coleman, Denver Kirkland, and Tretola (this was his first year in Gainesville).

        • Steele says:

          Muscle him up and McCalister would be a great get, at least to have in the rotation. We just don’t enough truly fast edge rushers.

  15. MisterNeutron says:

    While we’re on the subject of defensive tackles, does anyone have thoughts on Hassan Ridgeway from Texas? I watched one Texas game this year, along with some other film on him, and found him to have very good athleticism (especially for his size), a good motor, and great strength, while lacking refinement and pro-level moves. Seems like a high-upside guy who’d be worth a pick somewhere between rounds 3 and 5.

    • Volume12 says:

      I like Ridgeway. Thought he shoulda stayed, but it is what it is.

      Indiana’s DT Darius Latham is similar too. He’s another good one. Might have more upside. Good production for only playing 10 games.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I watched two of his games and was pretty underwhelmed. One was Notre Dame though in a game they got smashed. Will have another deeper look if he shines at the combine.

  16. WALL UP says:

    Rob, last year when I began participating on this blog I had Aldolphus as the Hawks 29th pick. My thinking was as you have now presented. Then I started watching film, more film. In particular, Ohio St. vs Michigan St.

    That’s when I was introduced to Allen. There were times when Adolphus would flash like that one on one clip at the Senior Bowl practice. Then he would disappear. I was concerned about his motivation. I thought, he just needs a better supporting cast.

    As game went on Allen just started to take over. There was one point in clip that I presented in Allen’s behalf where he literally threw Adolphus to the ground like a rag doll. By the end of the game Allen had both Bennett and Adolphus in his back pocket. They just wore down.

    That’s what you’ll get from Adolphus. He’ll flash for a few series at a time, then disappear. He would be great as a rotational player, 1st or 2nd dn 3Tech. But, like you said back then, not a 1st rounder. He probably goes 40-50 range. He seems more focused since his off field incident. That may have been a blessing in disguise. Motivation comes from various sources.

    I still believe Coleman goes @ 26. Adolphus would be gone by 56. If not, he would fit in the rotation. If they do pick Allen, they could continue their battles. Iron does sharpen Iron. It would great to see the competition. I think Hargrave would be a better fit though.

    • Steele says:

      Wall, this is what I was getting at above. Washington definitely shows flashes and has a good highlight reel, but he does disappear, awash in the LOS (i call that the trash), without disrupting anything. Granted, a lot of these players are streaky, but I think a 1st round pick should be starting caliber and more consistent.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I agree on the range for Washington for sure.

  17. Steele says:

    And another sleeper edge pass rusher. Jimmy Bean.


    A low rd-FA with promise.

    My dream scenario is that the Hawks sign a top veteran free agent (somehow) or one of the high round pass rushers like Leonard Floyd, plus one of these low rounders. Stockpile pass rushers and terrorize offenses.

    • EranUngar says:

      Nice call there Steele. I wonder how he looked at the rest of the plays. (highlights are always great…)

      Still, looks like a leader, shows speed and power, sheds blocks, great pursuit.

    • Wall UP says:

      He also looks like there’s a possibility to fill out a bit too. 220lbs against the big boys may be a challenge. I like his length as well. That was my thinking with Ugonna Awuruonye. He’s 260, another 6-5 long strider, but not as quick. That is the trade off, lbs less speed. Bean may play best @ 240-245lbs with a gradual build up.

  18. Steele says:

    Geronimo Allison is a WR that I am rooting for. 6-3, runs a 4.49. Did well at the Shrine and the Senior Bowl.


    The Hawks signed former CFLer Jeff Fuller. 6-4 223 4.5. The next Chris Matthews?

    • EranUngar says:

      Keeping our dream alive?

      I think we have learned that the Seahawks will not throw the 50/50 catch ball. They didn’t used it with Matthews, they didn’t use it with JFG.

      We wanted those big targets but if they are not inclined to use them, why bother?

      They clearly feel more comfortable with fast, quick, consummate rout runners.

      • Volume12 says:

        Steele, I think he is. On Rob’s last post, I described how similar they actually are. From measurables, to their college career, to the route they took to the NFL.

        They want some size at receiver IMO.

      • Steele says:

        I am not quite ready to abandon the dream, EranUngar. Even though they went out of their way over the past year to ignore the tall WRs and dump Matthews and any WR with size on the roster. But then I look back at Sid Rice. I think the issue really comes down to Russ and his comfort level with individual guys, more so than the specific plays possible.

        So maybe no 50/50 catch balls. But a tall receiver—one who gets separation— is still a great thing to have.

        (And I still believe that Jimmy Graham is a bad fit. Because he doesn’t separate.)

        • EranUngar says:

          You know i was with you regarding those tall targets.

          Tall receivers that are fast/quick enough to create separation are usually drafted in the top 10. The type of guys we can find later are usually not fast enough to separate from an NFL corner. Their advantage is bigger catch radius and winning the contested catch.

          The Seahawks abhor the idea of a contested catch. (unless it’s 3rd and 17 and they go for a an arm punt)

          It takes away the greatest weapon of the big receivers.

          After watching Lockett and Baldwin last year, (and AB at PIT), i undated my model for a seahawks receiver.

  19. Steele says:

    On running backs. I think it is possible to get good backs throughout the draft, as usual. We know about Zeke Elliott, Paul Perkins, etc.

    C.J. Prosise intrigues me. A converted WR with one spectacular season at RB in which she showed big play ability. And he is a big threat receiving. He is the kind of dangerous x-factor that would be great in an offense.

    Keith Marshall is a guy out of Georgia, my favorite running back factory.Marshall was hurt in 2014, didn’t play much in 2015 (they had Nick Chubb and Sony Michel). If you look at his tape, he has that look, like Gurley. Sharp cuts, great speed (4.3 40). He’s invited to the combine. Bottom line, if he’s healthy, he is an exciting but forgotten back with top round talent.

    • CharlieTheUnicorn says:

      Doesn’t this have echos of the Rawls story in college. He was largely over looked and forgotten, due to lack of playing time. Made his way to Seattle as a UDRFA and exploded, when he got a chance.

      Let’s keep an eye on this guy and how he scores at the combine. Late round pick with massive upside, sign me up!

    • Wall UP says:

      I have him @ 125 4th Rd pick. A perfect 3rd dn back leaking out of the backfield and running wheel routes. He’s a LBs nightmare with his pass catching skills. Being 6-0 220lbs, he should do well in PPro.

      NE would be a good landing spot for Forte, which would give more opportunities for Prosise to still be there @ 125. There are some injury concerns with the neck, a concussion issue. But, he seems to have bounced back. I hope he’s there for the Hawks.

      • Wall UP says:

        Marshall is the fastest RB in this class. Balance or lack thereof is what will make it tough to stick on a 53 man roster. A great UDFA pick though.

        • Steele says:

          If he’s healthy, Marshall will post a great 40 time at the combine. He’s done it routinely since high school. How far up the board will a good combine place him?

          Prosise offers crazy versatility.

          I would love the Hawks to have a back capable of taking it to the house on any down.

          • Volume12 says:

            Is Keith Marshall the guy that was supplanted by Todd Gurley, then Nick Chubb, and then Sony Michel due to an injury every year?

  20. EranUngar says:

    Everybody would love a Donald or a Short. Those guys are very rare. Some draft classes will not have anyone at that level and those that are, are very rarely there when the Seahawks get to the podium. If for whatever reason Rankins is still there at 26, i’d grab him, but he won’t.

    We need a high pick DT to be both stout against the run and be able to help the pass rush by taking away the escape rout for a QB climbing up the pocket and getting that extra second to find his targets.

    A penetrating DT would be the perfect answer for it but if that type of player is not available, a pocket collapsing, big and powerful DT will do just fine.

    Walsh: “The best defensive tackles move the offensive guard back into the quarterback. They won’t have nearly as many sacks as others, but if they can move the guard back into the quarterback, then the quarterback has to avoid his own lineman as if he were a pass rusher before he throws the ball. So this is a key ability.”

    It is for that specific role that DTs like Butler or Billings etc. may be most suitable for. If we come out of this draft with one of those and a day 3 rotational penetrator we have done a great job to address this issue. They also play a role with our FA decisions because they can replace either Mebane or Rubin cap hits.

    Washington looks like a talented penetrator with too many questions to justify a round 1 pick. He may turn out to be great or he may not. Drafting him will not allow us to let Mebane or Rubin go.

    We need more of a sure thing if we can find one.

    PC’s started as a secondary coach and we see the effects in the Seahawks secondary. Quinn started as a DL coach and during his time with us he got that unit to perform exquisitely. (Some of the key players within that unit – McDaniel, McDonald, Schofield, never looked good elsewhere)

    Quinn is no longer here. If we are to draft a DT in the top 2 pics, we need a clear high floor for that guy. Washington looks like a potential high ceiling pick with a questionable floor.

    • Volume12 says:

      ‘If you get knocked off the line, or get knocked sideways or knocked off balance, you cannot play this position.’

      That’s Billings.

      How is a 19 year old gonna hold up against grown men? I just don’t see it.

      • Rob Staton says:

        V12 is right — Billings on the floor way too often and has almost no gap discipline.

      • EranUngar says:

        I think you are right, bad example perhaps. He also lacks any signs of the gap discipline needed to replace either Mebane or Rubin.

        He is however right as an example of size and strength needed for this role.

        I’ll leave you to come up with better candidates but i know Butler is not the only one. A stronger and faster McDaniel…a faster Alan Branch…Someone physical enough to get the respect of the OLine, make them retreat as they block so they won’t be overpowered. force double teams because centers and light guards cant hold him at the LOS….

        • Volume12 says:

          Penn St’s Austin Johnson.

          Does he have the athleticism for Seattle to pull the trigger in the 1st or 2nd though?

          Indiana’s Darius Latham. Raw talent with a sky high ceiling.

          And when Ole Miss D-line Robert Nkemiche isn’t smoking spice and hanging out with frat boys, he’s a bad boy. Rob pointed out though, too much of an under-acheiver?

          • EranUngar says:

            Thank you, i can’t believe i mentioned Billings instead of Johnson. Must have had a blackout.

            Yes, i’ll be very happy with Butler or Johnson. Latham is a bit unsafe for a very high pick and Nkemiche is either too good to last that late or too messed up to go that high.

            • Volume12 says:

              In no way was I saying that Darius Latham is a 1st or 2nd round pick. More of a 3rd-4th.

              It’s in Seattle’s DNA to take pass rushers that have character concerns.

          • Steele says:

            Nkemdiche is an exciting prosposition, even if he needs coaching to be more disciplined. Just too much explosiveness to dismiss.

  21. Michael M. says:

    I have only one problem with this whole thing. Since taking over for the ‘Hawks, has Pete Carroll ever played a DT this small on 1st/2nd down? Seems like every year we bang this same 3-technique drum only to watch Pete/John go out and sign another 325+ lbs. veteran who can stop the run.

    • EranUngar says:

      I agree.

      The question is – can we find a big run stuffer that is strong and athletic enough to push the pocket back a yard or two and collapse the pocket ? or at least demand double teams to prevent it, open lanes for stunts and leave Bennett and Clark with one on one match-ups.

      • Volume12 says:

        Who’s talking about playing undersized 3-tech on 1st and 2 downs?

        Pretty sure we’re lking about finding a rotaional, disruptive interior player to come in on passing downs, not a base down.

        Plenty of big run-stuffers in this draft. That’s why Seattle signs FAs for that position. Why would you spend a high pick on a position like that?

        • EranUngar says:

          If you are asking me, the answer is that i want a decent run stuffer with enough strength and agility to be able to push and collapse the top of the pocket. Not “just another run stuffer” but someone that can help keeping the QB at the back of his drop and allow the edge rushers to get to him. Pick 3-4 garbage sacks and shave half a second to a second before the ball must be out. Allow the back 7 less cover time and enable better coverage.

          I want a disruptive DT that can have an effect on pass rushing in early downs and one we can keep on the line on 3rd and 3 together with Clark, Bennett and Avril. Disruptive is does not equal -“penerating”, there is more than one way to be disruptive.

          If we can get “disruptive” and run stuffer, we save the cost of one FA stuffer and add that extra that is needed to push this D into elite again.

          That is my opinion, one you obviously do not share.

          • EranUngar says:

            I see it as more than just a move to improve pass rush.

            I see it as a move that clears a few millions of needed cap space used on signing 2 veteran run stuffers. Those millions can be used to help get a veteran Guard/Center that will enhance consistency in the OL.

            That in turn will help clearing the way to draft an OT first to replace Okung and help the OL further. It would enable addressing guard/Center at the late 3rd or 4th round and bring a player that can be serviceable next year. I’m not a fan of rookie offensive linemen providing more consistency.

            I may be totally wrong about all of it but to me it looks like the better road ahead.

          • Rob Staton says:

            Here’s the thing though — the Seahawks are unlikely to ever field a DT that will impact early downs in this way. They are preaching gap control and emphasising taking away the run. In 2013 their base defense included Red Bryant, Tony McDaniel and Brandon Mebane. It wasn’t Avril, Bennett, McDonald, Irvin etc.

            This is their scheme. This is what they do. And what they lacked last year wasn’t a do-it-all starter — it was the production from McDonald in 2013 and Hill in 2014. A player that rotates in on key downs and makes an impact. A specialist.

            • Steele says:

              But wasn’t that 2013 line also much better at disruption (as defined by EranUngar) than the subsequent lineups? I think so. And there was more depth in the rotation. So I think they do need to target the more versatile prospects who—very clearly—offer more than gap control and flowing with offensive linemen.

          • purpleneer says:

            I know the specialist is also a concern, but this is my thoughts on it. Most teams are much more willing to throw on first and second down these days and pure running downs are far less common.
            Yes, it’s difficult to find guys who are good at both. And yes, keeping blockers off of Wagner can be a concern. It’s still what I’m looking for early in the draft. As much as the Hawks have managed to continue mostly playing very good defense though, using resources on defenders who have minimal influence against a passing game is a concern to me. Being overly specialized up front has hurt at times and can overly tax the depth if guys can be taken out of the game, something the most consistently successful teams are more than willing to do.

            • Rob Staton says:

              The mentality on defense you’re referring to though got Seattle to two Super Bowls with an elite defense.

              Let’s not forget that amid all the calls for change.

              • EranUngar says:

                Yes, it did get us to two SBs and we are not calling for a revolution.

                IMO, we need to replace one of the DTs for cap reasons. (I.E. let Mebane go and use those 3-4M for a vet G/C)

                If you are willing to accept this as a valid possibility – The question is – should it be a pure run stuffers later in the draft or a run stuffer + possible pocket collapsor higher in the draft.

                I believe that going for the later will encore the DL better against pass plays in the first 2 downs. It is the type of upgrade that will enable Bennett/Clark/Avril to be more effective.

                Add a pure rotational pass rusher (edge or inside) later and you get a wider rotation that should be more effective on all downs.

                • Rob Staton says:

                  A run stuffer + pocket collapsor will not be there at #26.

                  Said it many times.

                  • EranUngar says:

                    You did.

                    But, what do you call the likes of Butler or Johnson?

                    They have everything you would need to stuff the run plus something extra. They have size, strength, motor and some speed. No the kind that will enable them to penetrate like Donald or Short but enough to push a Center or Guard back into the pocket. That is all i’m looking for.

                  • Rob Staton says:

                    Butler is a one technique. I don’t think anyone can call him a pocket collapser. Johnson is a very mobile, high effort, hustling DT who doesn’t give in. He doesn’t collapse the pocket.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think if they draft Rankins he’ll work in a rotation, at least immediately.

  22. CharlieTheUnicorn says:

    NFL.com has a listing of their surprise additions and snubs for the Combine in a few weeks.

    SNUB: DT Trevon Coley, Florida Atlantic; 6’1″ 307

    A four-year starter, Coley is an active interior player who carries his weight well and has the hand moves to stab, sidestep and penetrate gaps. He should have been a Combine invite based on tape alone, but especially after he performed well during the week at the East-West Shrine Game.

    SNUB: DE Josh Gordon, Minnesota State; 6’2″ 250

    A highly productive small schooler, Gordon is under-the-radar on a national level, but his play jumps off the film and speaks for itself. Even if he isn’t drafted, Gordon is the type of talent who can win a job in camp.

    I can’t say I know much about these two players, but the little blurb on them makes them incredibly intriguing. Both appear to be the late round 5-7th round types.

  23. Volume12 says:

    Rob, you like Baylor WR Jay Lee?

    Kind of focusing on the late round WRs, because with 12 already on the roster, I don’t think Seattle takes one before the 6th-7th, if at all. Wouldn’t shock me to see them pass, and then add a couple UDFAs.

  24. C-Dog says:

    If the Carroll wants Washington at 26, I’d be good with it. They might be able to trade back some and get another pick. I think he’s a pure 3 tech, and but played all over Ohio State’s line, so he’s also versatile, another thing Carroll loves with his players on the D. Dave Te’ Thomas thinks he’s the most physically talented DT Ohio St has had since Dan Wilkerson, and believes Bosa and company were beneficiaries of his presence inside.


    Another player I think might be a dark horse candidate for the Seahawks is Darius Latham, especially if he makes a really impressive showing at the combine. Just seems like that long rangy athletic 3 tech Carroll’s typically interested in, who dropped some pounds, and had a break out in 2015.

    • Volume12 says:

      I think I read somewhere, maybe I heard it, that JS is gonna have more control in the war room this year.

      Which is a good thing IMO. PC didn’t want RW at all.

      • C-Dog says:

        Hm, that’s interesting. Not to kick the hornets nest, but if that’s true, I wonder if that’s a sign Pete will be moving on, and is giving JS more control to shape his own team.

        Yeah, as I remember it, Pete really liked Kirk Cousins, and John had to convince him Russ is the player “that tips the room.”

      • Rob Staton says:

        Do we know PC didn’t RW? I never heard that.

        He might’ve been JS’s guy, but that’s different to Pete not wanting him at all.

        • C-Dog says:

          I think Carroll even admitted so much that he had to be swayed by John, but the swaying didn’t take long. He looked at all the tape, called his old mentor Bud Grant who coached Fran Tarkenton to talk about coaching a uniquely gifted small QB, and that won him over.

      • david ess says:

        Yeah I think what was said was that JS wanted RW in the 2nd and Pete said he was going to wait till the 3rd to get him and JS was nervous RW would be selected before their 3rd rounder.

    • Rob Staton says:

      If they were going to target Washington I do think they’d move back first.

      • C-Dog says:

        Yeah, absolutely. Get another pick or two.

        Also, in terms of concerns of disappearing through stretches of a game, it’s important to consider, but I think some should also take it into the context that has been a concern for a lot of talented DTs coming up. That was a big concern with skeptics of Cortez Kennedy coming out of Miami. That was a concern with Sam Adams. A concern with Kawann Short. If effort or stamina is that much of a concern for folks, I think Austin Johnson is the guy at DT they should be wishing for because it sounds like he rarely wears down. Personally, the way Pete loves to rotate his players, I think Washington would be a strong candidate.

        • Rob Staton says:

          The Seahawks also like to focus more on what a player can do not what he can’t.

          Washington can rush the passer. If the big concern is making him more consistent — you can coach that. You can’t coach 34 inch arms on a 6-3, 297lbs frame with quickness off the snap and an ability to shoot gaps.

          • C-Dog says:

            Exactly, and in weighing out what he can do with an interesting talent such as Austin Johnson, Washington is quick twitch, which isn’t Johnson’s game. If that is an essential prerequisite of an interior rusher for them, then you’re are weighing what is easier to coach, a long quick twitch athlete who needs to be more consistent over a large high effort consistent athlete who isn’t quick twitch. As impressive as it is to watch Johnson’s tape, 6-4 320 lbs seems like a much taller order to see him develop what 6-3 297 lb Washington already has, than vice versa. Plus Washington would have the luxury of coming onto a roster with the savvy likes of Bennett and Avril to mentor him.

            IDK, seems increasingly more Seahawky for them to latch onto Washington, one way or another.

  25. Volume12 says:

    Rob, 2 questions for ya. Hear me out.

    What would it take for Seattle to trade up this year? We got NO siting there who’ve we dealt with before, Philly is gonna rebuild, Detroit we’ve dealt with previously, and then there’s DQ in Atlanta, and Scott McCloughan in DC.

    I ask because I think Ohio St’s OT Taylor Decker might be their guy this year. He checkes so many boxes, tough/physical, easily gets to the 2nd level, gritty, athletic (former basketball player), team captain, and Seattle scouted 5 Ohio St games this year, which I try not to read too much into.

    This would be the year to move up and get a LT. Worse case scenario, he’s a RT or an All-Pro LG.

    And I know JS said moving up for an O-lineman means you miss out on 2 players if he fails, but I keep thinking, ‘smokescreen and misdirection.’

    They’ve shown their willing to pull the trigger on top tier talent by moving up like last year for Lockett, and with us getting comp picks for Okug and Irvin, probably or at least one of them, and us being able to trade comp picks next year, plus JS being somewhat averse to 1st round picks it makes sense.

    Second question-thoughts on Mizzou C Evan Boehm? Seems to be getting overlooked

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think they might (MIGHT) consider moving up using a third round pick. They have two in a similar range. The third probably only gets you about six spots maximum though.

      I like Boehm’s attitude and toughness. I’d say he’s like a rich man’s Jack Allen.

      • Volume12 says:

        Yeah- I was going through my notes, and looking at guys I think they’ll realy like. I could also see them trading outta the 1st too though.

        Funny you say that about Boehm. I totally get the similarities. Like Boehm’s ‘Seahawky’ character too. Odd dude.

        Also think their gonna target a hybrid D-lineman. They gotta come outta these 1st 2 rounds, or first 2 picks, with studs on the O-line and DL.

        • bobbyk says:

          A purely hypothetical scenario but if we trade a 1 and 3 to move up for Decker, I would much rather stand pat and have both Coleman and Tretola, as opposed to only Decker.

          • oz says:

            I have been watching a lot of tape on Tretola recently and I really like him at LG for the Hawks. He can pull and get to the second level very well. Last but not least, he is a mauler!
            I also like Kirkland at RG in the late rounds or UDF.

        • david ess says:

          Jonathan Bullard from Florida..6’3 280lbs I believe. can play inside and out.

  26. Coleslaw says:

    If Seattle scouted 5 Ohio St. Games this year, vs. Michigan was certainly one of them. That means they watched Jack Conklin handle their D lune (including Bosa) like a walk in the park. Would love to get him and Austin Johnson in the first 2 rounds. I didn’t think he would fall out of the top 25 but now it seems realistic!

    • Volume12 says:

      Conklin isn’t some amazing OT.

      Don’t like his foot speed, he slips off blocks. Let’s be right here. There was a reason he was a walk-on.

      I like him as a G, not an OT. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him slip outta the 1st two rounds.

      • C-Dog says:

        If Seattle were to land Conklin at 56 to play LG, I’d be pretty stoked about that, though.

        • Rob Staton says:

          I can’t see any way at all Conklin lasts that long.

          Too many teams who could use a guy with his traits in the late first — even if he starts at LG.

      • Coleslaw says:

        No, he’s not amazing, if he was he would be a top 15 pick. Let’s be right, we pick #26, we aren’t going to get the top player. I suggest you go watch him against Bosa then tell me he’s not worth a first round pick.

        • Coleslaw says:

          Conklin is a first rounder especially because of his position and more than held his own against the possible #1 overall pick.

          • Volume12 says:

            More than held his own against Bosa, yet Anthony Zettel abused him with a spin move.

            I don’t think he’s a tackle at all.

            LG, yes.

            • Volume12 says:

              It wouldn’t surprise me if Jack Conklin was somewhere on JS’s big board.

              But, he reminds me of Jack Mewhort. Which isn’t a bad thing, just not sold on him as a 1st rounder.

              • Coleslaw says:

                Who cares if it’s at tackle or guard? If JS sees him as a guard and he would be a better guard that would be great, taking care of LG is worth a 1st, right?

                • Volume12 says:

                  If it’s good value, sure.

                  I just don’t think he’s worth a 1st.

                  I’ve gone back and forth on Conklin all season, I’m gonna stick with what I oiginally thought. Good player, like his grit and toughness, but he’s being overrated.

    • oz says:

      Johnson 1st round all day long…

  27. Trevor says:

    I am going through Seahawks withdrawal the last couple of weeks and have had the time to watch a ton of tape and hi-light packages from the various prospects. Rob this blog is like crack cocaine for Seahawks fans who love the draft. Thanks again.

    My 7 round pre-combine Mock. I think this solves many of your needs. I really believe in Free Agency we will re-sign Rubin and Lane then pick up a Veteran Center like Wisnewski and likely a LG /RT swing guy Loadholt or Breno.

    If we do here is the draft I would propose. One caveat would be if Sheldon Rankins is available in Rd #1 if so he should be the pick. But I think he will be a top 10 pick along with another favourite Noah Spence.

    26: R1P26 OT SHON COLEMAN AUBURN – Can start Day #1 at RT or LG. An instant upgrade to our OL and ups the nasty quotient a ton. He is a steal at 26 IMO.

    56: R2P25 DT CHRIS JONES MISS. STATE – He just looks like the perfect Hawks DT. Long, super athletic and can provide what we lost with Clinton Mcdonald and then some IMO. I think he will end up being one of the top 3 DTs in this class in 3 years.

    90: R3P27 OT LE’RAVEN CLARK TEXAS TECH – Incredible Physical talent. The type of frame that just cannot be found in most drafts. He has good feet and this athletic. The worst technique imaginable but with coaching will be a starting NFL tackle in a year or two and could be a pro bowler in 3 years time. Too much talent to pass on IMO.

    98: R3P35 OLB ERIC STRIKER OKLAHOMA -So productive and incredible leader. No player would be a better fit in our locker room than Eric Striker. I know he is a tweener but he plays bigger and faster than he is and could be a great blitzer / situational pass rusher as well.

    125: R4P26 CB RASHARD ROBINSON LSU – 6-3 200lbs and expected to run a 4.4. Great athlete who would be a first rounder if not for the off field stuff. If the character issues check out he is the prot type Hawks corner and would be a steal here.

    172: R5P33 DE RONALD BLAIR APPALACHIAN STATE – Great motor and developmental guy who could help as a situational guy and special teams yr#1

    215: R6P37 QB VERNON ADAMS JR. OREGON- Lets draft our backup QB of the future in Russel Wilson lite.

    223: R7P4 DT DAVID ONYEMATA – A Canadian kid I think could be special in a year or two. He has only been playing football for 3 years and to me stood out at the Shrine game. Huge upside. Think of Aikem Nicks who had a similar background from Canada.

    245: R7P26 P DREW KASER TEXAS A&M – Time for a guy I love in Jon Ryan another Canadian guy to move on. Hate using a pick on a kicker but Kaser is that good.

    • oz says:

      Love me some Yannick at #90, if he lasts?

    • CharlieTheUnicorn says:

      I would encourage you to check out NICK O’TOOLE, P, West Virginia. Very much could be in play for Seattle, if they decide Ryan is too expensive at over 3M / year.

      • Rob Staton says:

        Only six punters in the NFL earn an average per year of $3m. Jon Ryan, who turns 35 this year, probably isn’t going to command that kind of contract. They should be able to keep him for less then $2m in 2015.

  28. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Interesting take on Shon Coleman by Jon Ledyard:

    “A tough, physical player with the ideal length and size for the position, Coleman is the last tackle I would possibly consider on day 2 of the draft, although I haven’t completed his eval yet. His footwork and hand technique leave a lot to be desired, and Coleman will have to keep his pad level down consistently at the next level. He’s big and powerful, but so much has to improve in pass protection, and the Tigers product is already 24 years old. A lot of teams won’t want to invest in a project that will be 25 or 26 by the time he really sees the field, which could ultimately hurt Coleman’s stock.”

    • bobbyk says:

      If he hasn’t “completed his eval yet,” I’m not sure why he’d even say that.

      • Volume12 says:

        Him not completing his eval is no different than people watching one game or highlight clip and deciding if a guy is od or not.

        • bobbyk says:

          That’s crap, man. I am a hack. I have a wife and kids and admittedly don’t watch much college football on Saturdays. I can’t do that anymore and maintain a good balance of family life. I will take my 3+ hours on Sunday to watch the Hawks and this time of the year I’ll try to get an idea with some 10 minute videos here and there of guys I might want the Seahawks to take and get excited about.

          I am thankful for this site and guys like you who post on here. I like your insights and ideas on players. If a guy intrigues me enough, I’ll go watch a game or two of a player so I can see/decide for myself.

          If my job was his job, you’d better bet my “eval” would be done by now for every prospect who may be drafted in the first few rounds. The fact that a person (me) has only watched a few games of a Hargrave, for example, and then asks the rest of you what they think it a much different story than someone who should know this by now.

          The only thing he’s doing is making sure that others don’t start saying that Coleman is good. You can bet that if enough guys like Rob started banging the Coleman drum that he’d “complete” his “eval” with better words about Coleman, imo.

          • Volume12 says:

            I apologize if my comment was offensive. It wasn’t meant to be.

            Remember, he watches over 300 and some odd prospects man.

            Not everyone agrees that he’s a 1st or 2nd rounder and he wasn’t overly negative. He just said ‘this is what I think of him, but I haven’t finished my breakdown, and reading between the lines, I’m open to changing my opinion.’

            I’d rather a guy like him say that instead of ‘this is what I think. End of discussion.’

    • Rob Staton says:

      I like Jon’s work but I disagree with a lot of that. For anyone who questions his pass protection — go watch him against the best pass rusher in college football (Myles Garrett) in the Texas A&M tape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64vKPczvKgw

    • Steele says:

      If he hasn’t completed his eval, why publish an article?

      • CHawk Talker Eric says:

        He put out a pre-Combine OT rankings:


        I disagree with his assessment as well. Not only about the pass pro, but also that it will take Coleman a year or more to make an impact, or that an extra year or two of age is that big of a deal for an OLer.

        • Volume12 says:

          I see his point.

          Not every team is gonna see him as a LT. His age will be a factor for some, he’s only played one year, doesn’t look like a great athlete either.

          Whether it’s wrong or right, guys like Ronnie Stanley and Jason Spriggs, depending on what he does at the combine, will go before him. Now that could change if he has a grest combine too.

          I personally think he’s a great fit for Seattle and what they do and like. Not unlike Nate Solder.

          • oz says:

            Spriggs is underrated by most on this site. Cole Toner from Harvard is a sleeper,watch him rise post combine. One to keep an eye for the Hawks.

    • SeventiesHawksFan says:

      I’d love it if enough GM’s and scouting departments feel the same as Ledyard. Coleman is my preferred pick IF there isn’t an explosive DT or DE available. We likely have the OT spots nailed down for quite awhile under this scenario.

      As much as we need OL help, I now lean toward getting another pass rusher with our first pick. We are an aging Avril or Bennett injury away from being in a world of trouble if we lose one of those guys. Whereas an OL that included Bailey, Britt and Lewis was able to put up 24 points on Carolina in a single half. We can get upgrades at at least two of those spots even if we don’t get Coleman or Conklin with later picks and a key FA signing or two.

      • Volume12 says:

        I see 4 needs in this draft.

        2 O-lineman, because I think they add a vet somewhere, and 2 D-lineman.

        Starting to think their gonna target a Michael Bennett type. Then the ‘Nascar Package’ becomes Frank Clark, a rookie, Michael Bennett, and Cliff Avril.

        • Ed says:

          Agreed. Been saying first 4 picks should be OL OL DT DE. Not sure how it would pan out name wise, but getting a starting C and G or C with a penetrating DT and versatile DE would be ideal

          • Volume12 says:

            Ed, exactly.

            Some form of an OT and C. Or G and C. Or OT and G.

            A Bennett type and 3-tech, an EDGE or 3-tech.

            And maybe that 3-tech is someone built like Rankins, Washington, Ward, Jones, Johnson, Latham, etc.

            • Matt says:

              I don’t think DE is a need with Avril, Bennett, Clark and Marsh all under contract at least the next 2 years. An OLB starting spot is open, assuming Irvin walks. To me finding another OLB is more of a need than DE.

              • Volume12 says:

                You can standup a DE.

                Or get a pass rushing LB.

                Pass rushers come in all shapes, sizes, and styles.

                • matt says:

                  True pass rushers come in all different sizes. Think we need more of a OLB who can play in space, tackle well, set the edge while being able to blitz occasionally off the edge. Athletes like Floyd, Fackrell, Striker, Jones, Feeney. DE’s like Lawson, Dodd, Calhoun are all nice pass rushers who can go inside in a NASCAR package, but have no business playing in space. Already having 2 DE’s, in Bennett and Clark, who can do that makes drafting a Lawson etc. less of a need than a Floyd etc. Not saying we couldn’t use a Lawson type, just that it’s way less of a need. imo

                  • Coleslaw says:

                    I agree completely Matt, Malcolm Smith was let go because we wanted to have Irvin take his spot and be a pass rushing DE to save money. But they have Frank Clark now so I think they are looking for exactly what you said and they scout linebackers well so it might only take a mid round pick.

                  • matt says:

                    OLB Montese Overton out of East Carolina looks like a fantastic fit to replace Irvin. It’s said that he might be the fastest LB at the combine…not sure about that, but he’s definitely very athletic. Spend 7 minutes checking out these 2 games.



        • SeventiesHawksFan says:

          All those 4th quarter leads lost last year, including the Super Bowl with New England. And remember Avril going out the 4th quarter that game under the concussion protocol? That was the straw the broke the camel’s back that game.

          We arguably need a fresh pass rush at end of games. And we need to get younger there too. If a pass rusher is available at that spot, I hope we take him. Assuming the FO is confident that O line needs can be addressed via later picks and free agency.

          • SeventiesHawksFan says:

            Getting a pass rusher plus Hill healthy again could arguably get us back to 2013 form. Keeping Avril and Bennett fresh late into the season on a deep rotation would do so much to cure our 4th quarter woes.

          • Rob Staton says:

            It’s a very fair point you make. Depth on the D-line would significantly benefit this team. The problem is — for all the much vaunted depth on the D-line this year — it’s not rich in pass rushers. If one is there it can certainly be justified. But there might actually be better options in rounds 2-4 (Washington, Latham, Blair).

            • SeventiesHawksFan says:

              Makes sense. I don’t hard enough knowledge about all of the rush specialists in this year’s draft. If we can get one in later rounds then even better I just understand that the really effective ones who can have an impact right away are rare creatures. So if they identify one such rare player at the 26 spot, I hope they take him. Assuming of course they have a sound plan for the OL that doesn’t depend on taking a player at that spot.

              • SeventiesHawksFan says:

                Also coloring my reasoning is an Avril or Bennett injury having a devastating impact. Like when we lost Clemons in 2012 playoffs. And Avril in the SB. Whereas an Okung-type injury means we can muddle through. Therefore pass rusher > any lineman we might draft or sign. In the simplest of terms.

        • SeventiesHawksFan says:

          4 pressing needs out of a single draft. And 5 if you include SAM LB. That’s a lot of stress to place on a draft. Really would have been nice if any of Sokoli, Poole or Nowak would have been ready this year to start. Not taking Bitonio two years ago and then an available receiver like Bryant or Robinson looms large now. Their tunnel vision on a non Seahawky player with a slight build and an injury history really busted that draft.

          • Volume12 says:

            Not really. Every team has at least 3-4 needs, some even more than that. Yes, good ones.

            4 picks in the top 100. They’ll be fine. Gotta come outta this draft with 2 O-lineman, a stud D-lineman, and a rotational D-lineman, which I think they will.

            They’ll add a couple backups or red-shirts, and hit on a couple UDFAs.

            • SeventiesHawksFan says:

              I hope you’re right. One stud pass rusher, one starting OL and one future first down run stuffing DT would be a very good draft A second starting OL and we’d have every reason to be ecstatic. Of course quite doable. I wonder how ready two of those four draftees will be to contribute this year. Even if we hit on all four of our first picks, the more likely outcome is seeing most of their potential realized the season after this one. We need to get that process started now though. All of which reinforces that I really hope the re-sign Rubin, Mebane, and two veteran OL on reasonable deals before the draft. That would take such immense pressure off of taking a player out of need a la Britt. And if there is a tilt the field player at WR or LB who falls to us, we can pick him up.

              • SeventiesHawksFan says:

                Or they could then take a La’Raven Ckark and know it’s okay if he’s not ready this year.

        • Robert says:

          Frank Clark is kinda Bennetty, if that makes sense. I think one of the FO objectives is to draft a prospect to rotate at DT and eventually replace Mebane or Rubin. Those 2 were very effective at stuffing opponents run game, but they are both on the wrong side of 30. I am assuming they re-sign both, but that is not engraved in stone either. I like some of the taller, lighter, more athletic prospects that can shoot gaps and provide pass rush help up the middle. But I keep coming back to bigger DT prospects that can play base and eat up double teams because we need to groom the next guy there. And a big improvement looms if the new DT can push the Guard back in the pocket on base down pass plays. This is where opposing QBs made a lot of big plays last year because they could often just step up in the pocket to avoid our ferocious DEs. The bigger DT prospects may not slip through gaps as well as the smaller, taller, athletic guys, but they don’t have to to be very effective if they are strong enough and play with enough leverage to get low and push the guards backwards into the pocket. BTW, I really enjoy your contributions around here and wonder if Rob will ask you to author some articles to supplement his own AWESOME efforts!

          • Volume12 says:

            Oh, thanks for the compliment my man.

          • Volume12 says:

            It just seems that Seattle has adaped their style and gone to more versatile, stronger DEs.

            Clark seems like a big LEO.

            Getting another DE like Bennett kills 2 birds with one stone.

            • SeventiesHawksFan says:

              I think Irvin cured them of wanting smaller DE’s. By his second year, the recognition was made that Irvin can’t beat a starting OT with either power or consistency. And he’s also not stellar at the DE spot against the run.

              A Bennett style DE who can slide inside is a much better and more versatile fit for us. A Bennett type player can line up and wreak havoc from multiple spots of the line and can play situational football with greater effectiveness as well. Clark with another year of development is set up to be a stellar pick for us. I’d love another player like him with a little more bulk who can be passing down DT in the fourth quarter when we are trying to protect a lead.

              • Robert says:

                I agree with what you’re saying. I also think they are looking to add another big DT prospect who can become the successor to Mebane and/or Rubin. This big DT would be a base defense run stuffer who can anchor vs double teams. Hopefully, he is also better than our current DTs at providing pass rush when the opponent chooses to pass vs base defense. This pressure could be generated through penetration, but is just as effectively accomplished if the Guard can be pushed backward because that destroys the QBs opportunity to step up in the pocket to avoid our DEs roaring in from the edges. All that said, there are some phenomenal prospects in this Draft with great athleticism and enticing length….

                • SeventiesHawksFan says:

                  Agree with everything you just wrote. Hopefully we can find a Mebane successor in the third or later. And resign Menane and Rubin to give that player a year in the system before starting. And he’s insurance if either of those two go down with injury.

                • Volume12 says:

                  Robert, I agree there.

            • Ed says:

              Would be great to have a Nascar package of:

              DT: Bennett/Clark
              DE: Avril/Spence (unrealistic, I know), but you get the point

              Having Bennett and Clark rush from the inside would be ideal

              • SeventiesHawksFan says:

                If we can add in a healthy Jordan Hill into that type of mix then we could be pretty lethal and have insurance against injury. Get Rubin and Mebane resigned and we’d potentially have a 2013 D line back. And if we can also sign two FA O linemen and draft at least one more who can start, then we suddenly are in VERY good shape to be NFC bullies again.

                Teams can’t run on us. And QB’s getting pounded in the fourth quarter and on third and long. RW with enough time to gash teams deep and convert 3rd and 5 type plays or throw from a seven yard pass from a three step drop on first down and he might even be able to get the ball to his third option.

                • Volume12 says:

                  Good point about DT Jordan Hill. For whatever reason, he keeps escaping my mind.

                  I do think he can back to what he was in 2014, barring injuries of course.

    • troy says:

      I like this evaluation on Coleman, I think it paints the perfect picture regardless if its grossly inaccurate. It can only help to limit his value and draft stock, in return giving the Hawks just one more solid option when they’re on the clock. So instead of arguing Ledyard’s opinion and assessment we should applaud and smile 😉

  29. Steele says:

    The Dolphins, needing cap space, cut Quentin Coples. And Cameron Wake could be in play, unless he takes a pay cut. Coples was productive until 2014, then was a system fit problem. Wake has been consistently good.

    I add them to the free agency watch list.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think Coples might be done.

      • 12thManderson says:

        I ask this just for reference, does Mario Williams still have anything left off the edge? I personally don’t see the money in the bank to pay ANY F.A’s, after we pay the guys we Need to retain AND reward.

        • oz says:

          Move Mario around.Run -0utside. Pass- 3-tech Have to be on the cheap though.

        • Rob Staton says:

          I think he’s got something left — bad scheme fit for Rex in 2015. If he gets into a 4-3 he can still put up 10 sacks. I just think he’ll be out of Seattle’s price range — plus he’ll want to start too. Can’t see the Seahawks putting Avril or Bennett behind Williams for snaps.

          • SeventiesHawksFan says:

            Dream scenario is talking him into a 2013 style Clemons – Avril – Bennett rotation that saves all of their bodies. Probably a pipe dream cap wise. But wow would that be like a reprise of when we signed Avril and Bennett. Those signings did so much to make us believe we were going to win it all before the season started. Adding Clark into that mix, the onslaught of fresh pass rushers we could send in the fourth quarter would make it very hard for any team to come back on us.

  30. Roland jose says:

    Rob, what do u think of the def tackle Hargrave ?
    I’m liking the value of Washington. I thought he earned himself a 1st round nod I’m mobile. Is the Penn state kid johnson arm length gonna be an issue considering his relentless motor?, will vernon butler develope into a pass rusher or is he just a run stuffer?, is ron Blair the next micheal Bennet?.

    • Rob Staton says:

      What I’ve seen of Hargrave is good. Very quick albeit against bad opponents. Length worries me though — very short arms. T-Rex. Johnson’s arms shouldn’t bee too much of a problem given his style of DT — hustling, great motor, never stops. Doesn’t need to be and won’t be drafted to be a pure pass rusher more a very active, constantly moving force who works the nose or one. I think Butler is a one-technique. I don’t think Ronald Blair is the next Bennett but he could be an impact player for somebody.

    • Wall UP says:

      I agree with Rob that what the DL needed most was the inside push, that McDonald replacement. A little more girth on the back side, but a relentless force up the middle. I would be swayed by his limbs. I’d be focused and elated at the pressure he brings. Hargrave is perfect for that role. I hope everything stays quiet surrounding him. Just trying to nail his slot, 56 or 90 trade up?? I’ll have a better feel after the combine.

  31. Rob Staton says:

    New mock draft coming on Sunday. Two rounds. Including Seahawks picks this time.

  32. EranUngar says:


    I stumbled upon an interesting late round DT.

    D.J. Reader from Clemson. He missed the first half of the season due to “personal matters” and dropped like a rock. However, he came back and had a good showing at the senior bowl.

    The guy has impressive size (6-3, 340) and strength. Hardly ever pushed back by less then a double team, usually holds double teams very well. Gets a positive push on almost every snap. Shows good balance and quick feet for his size. Actually played some fullback for Clemson and played both sides at HS (RG, DT). Dual sports athlete.

    Here is his tape against Alabama – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUmgLp-RlNs

    and profile: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1983526/dj-reader


    • Rob Staton says:

      I think he has a shot to work into a rotation as a bigger body nose. Later round type. Not a majority snaps starter.

    • oz says:

      He can really occupy blockers. He was a load for the Bama OL. Got a good look at Kelly. He had some wins. Had to help out a lot of stalemates. Reader was key on that Goal-line stand. Exciting DT class.