HIGHLIGHTS
— Bud Dupree with an 11’7″ broad and 42 inch vertical
— Vic Beasley runs an official 4.53
— Eli Harold and Dante Fowler Jr run 4.60
— Danny Shelton rumbles to a 5.66
— Owamagbe Odighizuwa and Randy Gregory both impress
— Shane Ray & Eddie Goldman don’t workout
— Linebackers fail to impress during drills
We’re live blogging throughout the combine. Keep refreshing this page for the latest Seahawks news, data and notes on the DE/LB workouts as they take place today (beginning 6AM PST).
The player I’m most looking forward to seeing workout today is Virginia pass rusher Eli Harold. Check out this video on NFL.com. Aside from his taste in music — what’s not to like? He says this about Bruce Irvin: “He’s a physical specimen, he’s fast he’s quick — he’s like a cat, like a cheetah. That’s who I model my game after.” And then there’s this quote: “My style of play is — speed, I’m quick. I’m tough.” And this one: “I bring a lot of high energy, an unstoppable motor, I go hard all the time, I do whatever I’m asked — you’re going to get a gem.”
If he performs well enough today he could get into the top-15 mix. Atlanta needs a LEO and Harold is the ideal LEO from this class. He’s scheduled to workout with the linebackers — so is Bud Dupree.
Shane Ray and Eddie Goldman have chosen not to workout due to injury. Someone needs to let Mike Mayock and Daniel Jeremiah know.
The defensive linemen are dressed in bright green and look like comedy superhero villains.
Forty yard dash times with the ten yard split in brackets (first attempt):
Henry Anderson — 4.97 (1.75)
Arik Armstead — 5.10 (1.76)
Tavaris Barnes — 4.84 (1.70)
Vic Beasley — 4.66 (1.72)
Angelo Blackson — 5.06 (1.77)
Malcom Brown — 5.05 (1.75)
Anthony Chickillo — 4.77 (1.59)
Frank Clark — 4.79 (1.70)
Xavier Cooper — 4.88 (1.70)
Corey Crawford — 5.02 (1.79)
Carl Davis — 5.19 (1.87)
Tyeler Davison — 5.29 (1.91)
Ryan Delaire — 4.97 (1.73)
B.J. Dubose — 4.98 (1.66)
Mario Edwards Jr — 4.84 (1.76)
Kyle Emanuel — 4.77 (1.70)
Trey Flowers — 4.94 (1.84)
Dante Fowler Jr — 4.61 (1.59)
Markus Golden — 4.90 (1.72)
Randy Gregory — 4.64 (1.62)
Eli Harold — 4.61 (1.68)
Zack Hodges — 4.74 (1.63)
Danielle Hunter — 4.57 (1.58)
Martin Ifedi — 5.01 (1.73)
This is pretty interesting. Bruce Irvin and Cliff Avril in the top five forty yard dash times in the last 12 years. Speed matters at the LEO.
A quick reminder — both Avril and Irvin had 1.50 ten yard splits.
This is a must read by the way. After the forty times we’ll break some of it down:
Personnel men from 5 teams examine top 55 players in relation to #Packers‘ 30th selection … http://t.co/wmm6c00Mgj
— Bob McGinn (@BobMcGinn) February 22, 2015
Second attempts:
Henry Anderson — 4.93 (1.63)
Arik Armstead — 5.14 (1.76)
Tavaris Barnes — 4.75 (1.63)
Vic Beasley — 4.53 (1.59)
Angelo Blackson — 5.03 (1.79)
Malcom Brown — 5.07 (1.77)
Anthony Chickillo — 4.87 (1.70)
Frank Clark — 4.88 (1.76)
Xavier Cooper — 4.87 (1.68)
Corey Crawford — 5.04 (1.78)
Carl Davis — 5.07 (1.73)
Tyeler Davison — 5.19 (1.82)
Ryan Delaire — 5.02 (1.69)
B.J. Dubose — 5.08 (1.78)
Mario Edwards Jr — 4.79 (1.72)
Kyle Emanuel — 4.79 (1.69)
Trey Flowers — 4.93 (1.74)
Dante Fowler Jr — 4.65 (1.63)
Markus Golden — 4.81 (1.65)
Randy Gregory — 4.57 (1.60)
Eli Harold — 4.53 (1.56)
Zack Hodges — 4.68 (1.61)
Danielle Hunter — 4.58 (1.61)
Martin Ifedi — 4.88 (1.69)
Danielle Hunter with a typically explosive run. I tend to agree with this, however:
Hunter shows NONE of that athleticism on tape. Has no idea how to play football.
— Joe G (@JoeGoodberry) February 22, 2015
Vic Beasley ran an excellent 4.53 with a 1.59 split. Remember, he benched 35 reps yesterday.
We have our first Pete Carroll and John Schneider shot of the day. Again, not as animated as they were with the receivers yesterday.
There’s a difference between the first and second forty/split times. Anthony Chickillo ran .11 slower in the forty and split. B.J. Dubose picked up an ugly hamstring injury on his second run.
Eli Harold ran a 4.53 with a 1.56 ten yard split on his second run. That’s the type of time I was expecting — the type of time that can get him into the top-15. He is a perfect LEO prospect for a team like Atlanta.
Avril and Irvin ran in the low 4.5’s and had explosive ten yard splits. It’s hard to match them, as noted earlier — they were top-five in the last twelve years. But he’s just a shade behind. It’s just what Harold needed today.
The drills are underway. Randy Gregory very fluid changing direction. Sharp cuts, really athletic frame. Eli Harold follows him and looks equally polished. The hip movement is exceptional with both players — almost DB-esque. They’re having a good day so far — Dante Fowler Jr too. All three could go in the top eight.
Next it’s the bag drills.
Mike Mayock says Xavier has to get stronger for the next level. Corey Crawford showing good movement running between the bags. Carl Davis also performs well here for a big guy. Malcom Brown had good footwork, wasn’t too upright. Trey Flowers shows quicks and balance and gets a roar of approval from the coaches.
Markus Golden is struggling a bit so far. Randy Gregory just blew up the first bag drill. Did it in record time, explosive. He isn’t polished as a pass rusher but he’s leaping off the screen here. Eli Harold let his eyes drop at the end but was also quick.
Eli Harold also looks comfortable moving in space. https://t.co/d2MB92NXNh
— Joe G (@JoeGoodberry) February 22, 2015
Onto the club and rip. One coach screams “fight the bag” at Mario Edwards Jr. Trey Flowers gets another round of applause for his effort — so does Dante Fowler Jr.
Nobody bosses the bags like Aaron Donald last year from this group.
They’re bringing out the football on a stick for the punch drill. Corey Crawford and Malcom Brown the first pair to do the drill properly (it’s about staying low and punching, not speed). Xavier Cooper goes way too fast and barely touches the final bag. Trey Flowers lost balance on his attempt. Looking at his forty times from earlier, it’s hard to see him playing the edge at the next level in a 4-3.
Randy Gregory is again the best so far. Slowed it down and focused on technique. Eli Harold also doing a good job. Markus Golden is improving and looking nimble. He didn’t have a great forty or split but he’ll forge a role at the next level for someone (probably AFC North). They finish off with some running in space drills.
No surprises here — the edge rushers look smooth, the interior guys look like defensive tackles. Vic Beasley, Randy Gregory, Dante Fowler Jr and Eli Harold shine.
Some of the first DL group are now going to go through linebacker drills for the 3-4 teams. None of the group looked particularly comfortable dropping, opening their hips and playing the ball. Harold looked the best. Even Gregory looked raw here, as did Fowler Jr. Trey Flowers performed surprisingly well.
Neither the NFL Network or the online feed are showing the drills now. We’ll get ready for the second group of defensive linemen to run the forty yard dash.
The first group of defensive linemen are now going through the jumping segments of the day.
Vic Beasley continued his fantastic day — posting a 41 inch vertical. Mario Edwards Jr managed a 10′ on the broad. In comparison, Leonard Williams only jumped an 8’10”.
The second group of defensive linemen are running the forty. Here’s a reminder how the first group performed (unofficial):
Grady Jarrett — 5.23 (1.84)
Derrick Lott — 5.08 (1.81)
Joey Mbu — 5.42 (1.81)
Ellis McCarthy — 5.23 (1.82)
Rakeem Nunez-Rochez — 5.06 (1.74)
Owamagbe Odighizuwa — 4.64 (1.63)
Nate Orchard — 4.84 (1.67)
Leon Orr — 5.19 (1.85)
David Parry — 5.41 (1.76)
Jordan Phillips — 5.20 (1.84)
Darius Philon — 5.03 (1.82)
Bobby Richardson — 5.20 (1.85)
Ryan Russell — 4.77 (1.64)
Danny Shelton — 5.66 (1.88)
Deon Simon — 5.14 (1.78)
Preston Smith — 4.78 (1.64)
Za’Darius Smith — 4.85 (1.76)
J.T. Surratt — 5.22 (1.89)
Lynden Trail — 4.96 (1.77)
Louis Trinca-Pasat — 5.00 (1.75)
Zack Wagenmann — 4.85 (1.67)
Leterrius Walton — 5.29 (1.79)
Leonard Williams — 5.01 (1.74)
Gabe Wright — 5.09 (1.80)
Owamagbe Odighizuwa looked incredible. Fluid running style. Very relaxed — like a sprinter. Ripped muscle tone. An unofficial 4.64 with a 1.63 split is very good at his size (pushing 270lbs).
Florida’s Leon Orr is challenging the coach ahead of his forty yard dash. He’s trying to argue he wants to start on the first line, adding an extra six inches to his run. It’s bizarre. He’s not taking the coaching at all. It’s a very awkward situation.
Nate Orchard doesn’t look like a quick twitch speed guy on tape — a 4.84 and 1.67 split confirms that. The first round buzz during the Senior Bowl was premature.
A 5.20 for Jordan Phillips isn’t bad at all — but it’s not in the realm of Dontari Poe. The back injuries might scare some teams off. In comparison, Danny Shelton ran a 5.66. Rich Eisen jokes he might be able to out-run him: “I’m coming for you Danny Shelton.”
Leonard Williams ran a very solid time. I still think he can tone up and be even more effective.
Second attempts:
Grady Jarrett — 5.09 (1.69)
Derrick Lott — 5.02 (1.77)
Joey Mbu — 5.57 (1.85)
Ellis McCarthy — 5.30 (1.87)
Rakeem Nunez-Rochez — 5.12 (1.72)
Owamagbe Odighizuwa — 4.66 (1.62)
Nate Orchard — 4.87 (1.68)
Leon Orr — 5.23 (1.87)
David Parry — DNP
Jordan Phillips — 5.29 (1.86)
Darius Philon — 5.05 (1.82)
Bobby Richardson — 5.17 (1.78)
Ryan Russell — 4.84 (1.66)
Danny Shelton — 5.66 (1.91)
Deon Simon — 5.21 (1.83)
Preston Smith — 4.78 (1.63)
Za’Darius Smith — 4.87 (1.77)
J.T. Surratt — 5.26 (1.86)
Lynden Trail — 5.09 (1.86)
Louis Trinca-Pasat — 4.99 (1.77)
Zack Wagenmann — 4.84 (1.67)
Leterrius Walton — 5.27 (1.79)
Leonard Williams — 5.00 (1.72)
Gabe Wright — 5.08 (1.79)
Vic Beasley added a 10’10” in the broad jump to his 41 inch vertical. Very impressive.
Jason Cole says the 49ers are going to draft a receiver at #15. After this weekend, they’ll be lucky if one of the top three lasts until #15.
Tony Pauline says in the piece below that UConn’s Byron Jones, one of the few cornerback prospects with 32 inch arms, is a “game time decision” to workout tomorrow. He had surgery to repair a torn labrum two months ago. Seattle has never drafted a corner with sub-32 inch arms.
Combine Sunday: KC Chiefs all over Justin Hardy. Ryan Delaire/Towson ran despite knee surgery three weeks ago http://t.co/g1I3w6lG73
— Tony Pauline (@TonyPauline) February 22, 2015
A quick comparison for you — Haloti Ngata ran a 5.13 with a 1.73 split in 2006. Danny Shelton ran a 5.66 at 1.91. It’s not a fair comparison. Ngata is/was much more athletic. It’s a lazy comparison based on size and the desire to backup a positive opinion on Shelton with a success-story comparison.
I wouldn’t want my team to draft Shelton because he’ll likely never reach expectations. Casual fan is listening to NFLN and thinking Ngata.
— Joe G (@JoeGoodberry) February 22, 2015
The drills are underway with the change of direction assessment to start. Preston Smith moves nicely for his size. It’s difficult to project his stock — late second? Leterrius Walton showed some good footworka and quickness. Leonard Williams aced this drill.
Onto the bag drill next. Danny Shelton showed good footwork for his size but he kept his eyes down and cheated a little. The second group of defensive linemen is much less impressive compared to the first group.
Davis Tull didn’t run but he’s jumped an 11′ broad. Joey Mbu recorded a 22.5 inch vertical. Mbu has long arms and not much else unfortunately. Shelton had a 30.5 inch vertical.
In the club/rip drill, Williams dominated the bags. He didn’t jump well earlier with a 29.5 inch vert and an 8’10” broad. Preston Smith clubbed the bags nicely and showed some zip. Shelton ran around the bags with real intensity and acceleration.
Owa Odighizuwa managed a 39 inch vertical. Incredible. He’s helping himself big time today. He’s a positive medical report (previous hip problems) from being a genuine first round talent. He still needs to learn how to rush the edge. He presses the interior really nicely with power but often looks lost trying to bend the edge and beat a tackle.
In the stack drill, Shelton got a nice punch in and didn’t rush. Leterrius Walton was told to “bend the knees” — as was Williams. Shane Ray isn’t working out — but he’s holding the bags on this drill getting involved.
The official forty yard dash times are coming in for the defensive linemen. Leonard Williams’ is 4.97. Eli Harold and Dante Fowler both get official 4.60’s. Vic Beasley’s official forty is a 4.53. Danielle Hunter’s is 4.57. Owa Odighizuwa managed a 4.62.
Here’s the top-10:
Here’s the vertical jump data for the key prospects:
Arik Armstead — 34 inches
Vic Beasley — 41 inches
Malcom Brown — 39.5 inches
Carl Davis — 33 inches
Mario Edwards Jr — 32.5 inches
Trey Flowers — 36.5 inches
Dante Fowler Jr — 32.5 inches
Randy Gregory — 36.5 inches
Eli Harold — 35 inches
Danielle Hunter — DNP
Owa Odighizuwa — 39 inches
Nate Orchard — 31.5 inches
Jordan Phillips — 30 inches
Danny Shelton — 30.5 inches
Preston Smith — 34 inches
Leonard Williams — 29.5 inches
Of all the players to help themselves today — Odighizuwa, Beasley and Harold stood out. Odighizuwa also had a 10’7″ broad jump. Harold’s was 10’3″.
Davis Tull is getting a lot of love from Charles Davis on the NFL Network. Tull recorded a 42.5 inch vert and an 11′ on the broad jump. He’s 6-2 3/8 and 246lbs. Impressive. One to watch. Charles Davis predicted a high 4.5 or low 4.6. He didn’t run the forty due to a hamstring injury.
Some of the linemen are now running linebacker drills — including Preston Smith bizarrely. In a few moments we’ll be ready for the linebackers to run the forty yard dash — including Bud Dupree.
Even in space Odighizuwa doesn’t look uncomfortable. In terms of a physical specimen — he’s as good as anyone in this D-line class.
Mayock says NFL evaluators buzzing about Beasley’s #NFLCombine performance. Has put on quite a show.
— CollegeFootball 24/7 (@NFL_CFB) February 22, 2015
The defensive linemen are done for the day. I’ll have a review post up later. Now we wait for the linebackers to begin the forty yard dash.
Bud Dupree had a broad jump of 11’7″ and a vertical of 42 inches. To compare, Chris Conley yesterday had an 11’6″ and a vert of 45 inches. The difference is, Conley is 213lbs and Dupree is 269lbs. There’s still time for Dupree to be the star of the day.
Bendarick McKinney had a 40.5 inch vertical, second only to Dupree.
"He jumped out of the building." — @nflnetwork's Rich Eisen on Bud Dupree's 42-inch vertical jump.
— Kentucky Athletics (@UKAthletics) February 22, 2015
Bud Dupree's Broad Jump is the 3rd Best ALL POSITIONS since 2006
— Mike Loyko (@NEPD_Loyko) February 22, 2015
I believe Christine Michael is #1, incidentally.
Here’s the linebackers running the forty yard dash:
Kwon Alexander — 4.59 (1.59)
Stephone Anthony — 4.59 (1.57)
Aaron Davis — 4.99 (1.77)
Paul Dawson — 4.95 (1.69)
Xzavier Dickson — 4.77 (1.71)
Bud Dupree — 4.57 (1.60)
Alani Fua — 4.75 (1.67)
Geneo Grissom — 4.85 (1.66)
Obum Gwacham — 4.77 (1.68)
Bryce Hager — 4.65 (1.64)
Ben Heeney — 4.62 (1.63)
Amario Herrera — 4.86 (1.73)
Jordan Hicks — 4.65 (1.53)
Mike Hull — 4.71 (1.60)
Taiwan Jones — 4.84 (1.56)
Eric Kendricks — 4.66 (1.64)
Lorenzo Mauldin — 4.90 (1.71)
Benardick McKinney — 4.78 (1.74)
Denzel Perryman — 4.81 (1.69)
Hayes Pullard — 4.81 (1.68)
Edmond Robinson — 4.70 (1.69)
Jake Ryan — 4.71 (1.64)
Martrell Spaight — 4.90 (1.72)
J.R. Tavai — 4.94 (1.71)
Shaq Thompson — 4.72 (1.78)
Max Valles — 4.99 (1.77)
Tony Washington — 5.02 (1.75)
Damien Wilson — 4.80 (1.66)
Ramik Wilson — 4.81 (1.70)
Hau’oli Kikaha did not run the forty yard dash.
Here’s Rob Ryan, confused by a Microsoft Surface:
After jabbing his finger at the screen, he shrugged and turned away. This was definitely the lasting image of the combine for me. A genuine rival to ‘Andy Reid eating a sandwich’ from 2013:
Mike Mayock, clearly tired from the long broadcasting stints, is now signing funk music (badly). Rich Eisen found it very amusing:
According to the NFL Network, Bud Dupree won’t participate in drills. We’ll see if he runs his second forty. Apparently he intends to do drills at the Kentucky pro-day instead. Not sure about that decision.
Washington’s Shaq Thompson ran a mediocre 4.72 with an even worse 1.78 split.
Here’s the second attempt:
Kwon Alexander — 4.63 (1.63)
Stephone Anthony — 4.69 (1.66)
Aaron Davis — 4.99 (1.75)
Paul Dawson — 4.96 (1.73)
Xzavier Dickson — 4.91 (1.77)
Bud Dupree — 4.73 (1.71)
Alani Fua — 4.80 (1.70)
Geneo Grissom — 4.93 (1.68)
Obum Gwacham — 4.75 (1.67)
Bryce Hager — 4.57 (1.56)
Ben Heeney — 4.68 (1.68)
Amario Herrera — 4.95 (1.76)
Jordan Hicks — 4.71 (1.63)
Mike Hull — 4.79 (1.73)
Taiwan Jones — 5.01 (1.79)
Eric Kendricks — DNP
Lorenzo Mauldin — 4.88 (1.69)
Benardick McKinney — 4.69 (1.64)
Denzel Perryman — 4.81 (1.68)
Hayes Pullard — 4.80 (1.64)
Edmond Robinson — 4.63 (1.61)
Jake Ryan — 4.68 (1.62)
Martrell Spaight — 4.91 (1.72)
J.R. Tavai — 4.97 (1.74)
Shaq Thompson — 4.69 (1.72)
Max Valles — 4.87 (1.66)
Tony Washington — 5.03 (1.75)
Damien Wilson — 4.90 (1.71)
Ramik Wilson — 4.81 (1.67)
Bud Dupree ran a 4.73 the second time around after a 4.57 to start. That’s a pretty big difference. I wonder that the explanation is there? He’s inconsistent on tape and at the combine.
Danny Shelton found a camera in Michael Bennet-finds-a-bicyle style:
That concludes the forty yard dash for today. The linebackers are heading out for drills.
This is a really poor group of linebackers — and I can’t imagine the Seahawks drafting any of this group. They have a group of backers under contract, Kevin Pierre-Louis and Brock Coyle will return. They’ll likely shop in the UDFA market again.
Only four guys ran in the high 4.5’s. You really want to see that explosive speed — early 4.5’s.
In the change of direction drill, Ben Heeney is warned not to guess the drill as he stumbles a couple of times. Obum Owacham gets praise for his drill and looked as smooth as anyone.
Bud Dupree isn’t working out (apparently due to a groin injury, even though he ran a forty). Eric Kendricks is clearly the next best linebacker out there.
Hau’Oli Kikaha didn’t run the forty but is doing drills. He looked really stiff trying to change direction in space. Shaq Thompson showed a nice backpedal and transition. He ran a disappointing pair of forty’s but looked good in space.
This is pretty funny:
Paul Dawson always felt a bit overrated to me. He ran in the 4.9’s and doesn’t look free and easy in the drills.
Mayock calls Davis Tull his “best value” player of the day based on his athletic performance. He did everything but run the forty. Mayock says he’s a SAM linebacker.
Even the better runners in this linebacker class don’t look fluid in space. It’s a stiff looking group with a distinct lack of explosion in space. Penn State’s Mike Hull looking as good as anyone. Most are struggling to get low and stay balanced. Hayes Pullard was standing up far too tall.
Kikaha really tight and struggling to get around. Tony Pauline graded him as an UDFA recently. He might be right, despite all of the production.
Mayock says of this linebacker group: “They all have hands like feet.” He goes on to add he’s disappointed with the groups performance in field drills. It’s even worse than the tight ends on Friday. Just mediocrity across the board — no spark, nobody shining or standing out. The coaches are clearly frustrated, barking at the group and telling them basic things like “keep your eyes up”.
One of the few players that has done even OK is Stephone Anthony of Clemson. I don’t understand why Max Valles decided to turn pro. Anthony will make a nice inside guy for someone — he’s moving pretty well for a big guy. He’s 243lbs and ran a 4.57.
One of the coaches just stopped the final drill, told the players the performance wasn’t good enough and started again. It’s a really flat group — nobody is encouraging anyone. There’s no applause.
Shaq Thompson’s official forty yard dash time is a 4.64. He did a good job in the penultimate drill and drew some praise from the coaches. Nice transition, hip movement, catch and finish.
Denzel Perryman is a curious case. He’s thick cut and struggles to change direction. He’s a thumper inside. Is he an every down backer? Is he big enough for the 3-4?
The final drill is the rip. Lorenzo Mauldin showed some nice power here. Perryman cheated a little bit and just ran by it.
Here are the official linebacker forty times:
Top 40 LB times. #NFLCombine pic.twitter.com/ANVZ9idjL6
— NFL Network (@nflnetwork) February 22, 2015
The NFL Network has completed its coverage so we’ll call it a day too for the live blog. Stand by for a new post debating Seattle and the defensive line class in a few moments.
Good Morning!/Afternoon sir,
Rob is there a site besides Draft breakdown that you like to utilize for reviewing players tape? Just curious because I love the work that draft breakdown does and go there all the time to check out players and I rarely check out youtube, mostly because anyone can put some “turn down for what!” behind some highlights and make a player look awesome, though I do like the weird local sports interviews that you can find on odd players. Anyways if there’s another site for additional info I’d love to hear it! Thanks
Good afternoon over here in England Rob
Interesting article you linked in. I would be very curious if that is the way a lot of teams feel about Collins. Obviously we have to see how all the dbs run but the more tape I watch on Collins the more excited I would be to see him fall to 31. Even though it is not the PCJS way to draft them early I feel like he would be the exception.
Also good point on the note taking tendencies of PCJS again today you have to feel like this will be the draft where they potentially spend two picks on wrs. Lastly how linked is our front office how many other coaches and gms do you see hip to hip through the whole combine like ours? You can’t put enough value on how in tune they are with each other.
GO HAWKS!!
Unfortunately for the ‘Hawks they system for finding great DB’s may be jammed up a bit by their own success with it and by New England/Denver essentially ripping it off to the degree that they can!
Yep, and now Jacksonville and Atlanta cloning their system.
I just looked over the above article, it’s kind of interesting what a day makes.
I’m officially off the Sammie Coates train if I was ever on it. I just don’t get it anymore sure he has excellent athleticism, but he still wasn’t the best and it’s strange to me that a receiver that inconsistent still gets thought of that highly.
Additional draft thoughts I have had recently:
1. Honestly I may be more excited about the options at WR this year then last, probably because it’s the absolute biggest need for improvement to me on the team. Not the 31st pick necessarily but I’ve mentioned this before it may be time to draft two and perhaps add a third or even a fourth via FA market and/or UDFA signings and let them battle it out. Explosion plus consistency is going to be the combo for a team that throws 25 times a game. I hate saying it as he is a local guy but Kearse could be improved upon, Lockette is or will be 29 so he’s well past the point of talking about improvement, Walters (?), honestly the whole situation to me is kind of embarrassing. I did like the prich pick, and hope he comes back but expect he won’t for the year.
2. I have no doubt that the Seahawks will NOT draft him but David Johnson would be a pick I would make. I’d say farewell to Cmike who hasn’t done anything at what many believe is one of the easiest positions to go from college to the pros. David Johnson is the RB sparq/ combine champ this year and yes wasn’t highly recruited out of high school, and yes played for an fcs school, but he has good production both carrying the rock and catching the rock as well as being a kick returner…currently Cmike offers none of the above and Seattle needs a kick returner and is willing seemingly to draft a RB every year and finally Lynch is the man but lightening his load would do wonders for him I think with turbin putting it together last year I think an additional back that offers ST’s ability may be in order.
I think Volume 12 mentioned it but I get the feeling as well that the next CB for the Seattle Seahawks is not at the combine. I think Nick Marshall could and should be in play but I think he would need a year at DB U and the team will probably need someone sooner. That said I’m not yet ready to say goodbye to Simon like many are and due to injuries he will probably be given more time to tighten up his game. Remember if Carrol though Sherman would have been “SHERMAN,” he wouldn’t be waiting behind Thurmond at least for a while, and Maxwell redshirted behind Browner so maybe Simon needs a bit more seasoning. They may however need to break their 32 inch arm rule for a nickel corner unless Shead can play that because I am thoroughly underwhelmed by the list Rob made of DB’s with 32 inch arms not named Jalen Collins.
I see your points and I like your train of thought Peter.
This WR group is very exciting and barring any moves in FA, this team needs to hit 2 WRs in this draft, with at least one of them coming in the first 2 picks. Kearse, despite making a few of the biggest plays this season is absolutely upgradable.
Whether Nick Marshall is the answer at CB I agree this team needs to hit on a CB at some point in this draft. I also can’t give up on Simon he has time to continue to learn under thish position group while being fueled by getting worked in the most viewed SB in history. I see lots of improvement in Simon coming up here this offseason. I would prefer drafting a player who has the reps and experience at CB though so I’m not as excited about Marshall as others.
However, I wouldn’t be so quick to give up on CMike. At this moment, the Hawks have a 2nd rounder in CMike and a 4th rounder in Turbin that have been groomed and marinating under Lynch and have been given little live gametime to prove their worth. I’m assuming Lynch will sign and this RB group is set again. I think that a pick spent this year at RB is better spent otherwise at a different position(think about an extra pick to fortify our OL or pass rush).
I’m only excited in Marshall as a 6th like Maxwell. I don’t think the Seahawks need a rb draft pick but if they did pick one with ten or eleven picks to be had Johnson would be my choice. Ol for certain
I wouldn’t get attached to Turbin or Cmike. They are only useful if Lynch goes down, and as long as they are on rookie contracts. I expect them both to be replaced when their cheap contracts end.
is it me or does simon bitch about a no call(offensively) on just about every play he gives up?! that is a little tiresome. till he stops making excuses expect more of the same.
Its just you, ppl see what they want to see
I wouldn’t say get ride of cmike but do agree with johnson. He has size, power, cuts like lynch and seems to have a great head on his shoulder. Also dupree is killing it, I’d some how he could fall!
Peter, I think there’s a Seattle corner out there who’s not at the combine, but I also think that Nick Marshall is a Seattle corner, He’s raw, but that’s alright. Take guys that are raw, who are going to get better and haven’t peaked already. Draft guys that in a couple years you want to extend that rookie contract, not be done with them and start all over. I hope I’m making sense.
Seattle has it’s core in place. They have wants more than needs. I think Nick Marshall would be fantastic. He showed some real balls by admitting he wasn’t a QB and wanting to get there and compete with the corners. Love that competitiveness, and he’s definitely a guy who just wants to play the game no matter what. It’s not like he was a slouch at CB at Georgia either. May be a little rusty.
Another player I mentioned yesterday is George Farmer, USC WR and former CB in high school whom PC recruited as a 5-star recruit. He’s not at the Combine but will have a pro day. He is listed at 6-1, 220. No arm length yet.
I know the combine isn’t make or break but Vic Beasly is doing himself TON of favors this weekend.
Yep. Very much in the top-20 mix. Only concern is 32 and a half inch arms.
Rob have to give you props! Your favourites Harold and Mcbride have really shone his weekend. I am almost hoping Collins runs a little slower than we expect to give us a shot at him.
All 3 guys just seem like perfect Seahawks. If we could get 2 of the 3 it would be a dream scenario.
Pete’s son and the LB coach Barrow should have some good insight on Chickillo. I liked him at the Senior Bowl and he seems more athletic than I expected.
What are your thoughts on him as a depth guy to compete with Marsh in the rotation?
Looked good so far here. He was played out of position at Miami. Not sure where he fits in Seattle though.
Not sure where he fits in Seattle. He was played out of position at Miami.
Lovin your insite into the combine Rob. After digesting your article on the WR/rb day I agree that the value for the Wr group is gonna be found in rounds 2/3. I love the idea of addressing the line/lines at 31. Jake Fischer is a guy I love here. Another “option” I’m warming too is Xavier Cooper. Length and athleticism at DT. Impressive 40 time. 4.87 w/ 1.68 at 6’4″ 299…. That’s impressive.
Thanks RB!
I think the Hawks are going to be excited about the WRs in rounds 2 on. I just went back and watched some Kenny Bell film. I love how well he gets himself in to the right space to block on running plays. You can see the DBs getting sick of it. Its fun to watch WRs that enjoy blocking. I know the Hawks like it. His hands look decent to me and his combine numbers look great.
That highlight tape of his is un-real isn’t it? His blocking is un-believable. I know Seattle needs size at WR position, but I’d be thrilled if they left the draft with a Trey McBride and Kenny Bell aka Afro Thunder.
The one thing I was thinking that there are a bunch of guys who may not be fully participating or not invited to the combine – especially on the D line – so I think there is a good chance that the guys that they are looking at are not in Indy. We all know that each year Seattle drafts someone we have never heard of.
Looking at our CBs – Burley might be better this year with a full year of training camp under him – I know he was schooled at times, but at times he looked ok. They traded for him, so they saw something about him to give up a draft choice. Don’t count Burley out.
Nunez-Roches looked pretty good running for a big man, not a bad 10 second split and Odighizuwa looks very Seahawky!
I have to say a lot of this group of DL big man move pretty well in that first 20 – we do need some DT help I think.
Cassius Marsh if healthy could help out with the DE position as well – I think we have those “redshirt” guys too when looking at the draft.
I hope Seattle doesn’t get to cute tho. We need a serious influx of talent at Wr. If an elite guy is there at 31 take him. No need to trade down with 11 picks at this stage. Wilson is an elite guy so start helping him. I’m tired of the criticism when he’s got 5 undrafted guys he’s throwing to. Let’s go John
I agree completely! The odd thing is that we went WR and OL the first 2 rounds last year – and we may have to do the same thing again this year.
It does look like this year’s DL is pretty deep, so that does help.
Whoa a 1.97 sec 10 yard split for Orchard?! Slowest of the day so far. Slow for any position, even center. It’s easy to see he lacks burst on tape, but didn’t expect a # that high.
Orchard ran a 1.67 split.
Oh the spreadsheet I’m looking at says 1.97 on his first run, 1.68 on his second. 1.68 isn’t bad, but probably takes him off our radar.
On the live feed it said 1.68 — I suspect it’s a typo on the spreadsheet. Danny Shelton had a 1.91 at 5.66!
You’re right Rob. My mistake.
Being a newbie here, you’ll have to bear with me in terms of perhaps something already having been said, but offensively I wonder if we’re going to draft a RT in the first two rounds (with the other picking being a WR in rounds 1-2) with the intent to move Britt to LG? The Fisher article from the other day was a good read. Britt pretty much put in his time as a rookie and will naturally improve, but he needs to. I didn’t see anything about him that makes me think he’s going to be an overly good RT in the NFL and I’m so tired of opposing DEs basically running a sprint around our tackles and getting to Wilson.
Britt played on the left side (granted, at tackle) in college and I wonder if Cable or Mr. Happy (my term for Carroll) think of him as being more of a physical presence at LG? That’s what I would like to see, I guess. Unless Collins falls further than I think he will and becomes our LG. I’d love to have a mauler like that.
And his shorter arms (Britt) seem more well suited for guard, too. Granted, it would suck to move him to a new position, but at least he’s already been in the NFL for a year so he wouldn’t be a rookie in those terms and would obviously have a much easier transition to guard than if they were to have moved him there last year.
It sucks more to break in a new RT, unless you’re getting a R1 talent, and even then…
Britt and Sweezy likely are the right side of the OL for the next 5+years.
I would like to see Bailey at left guard. He plays better on the left side. I’m willing to give Britt another year at RT.
It is certainly possible. They could move Britt to LG and plug Bailey into the RT spot. Then you just need to fill out the backup roles which would be BPA on the offensive line. I am looking at guys like D J Humphries and Donovan Smith who could be developed for a year. I also expect Garret Scott to make a full recovery from his heart condition.
Based on what we saw of Bailey — I’m comfortable with him as a relief backup. I’m not sure I’d want him as an every week starter.
I agree.
Bailey is a great utility O-lineman. Can back-up LT, LG, RT, and I’m sure RG.
Patrick Lewis is an an exciting/high upside, more than serviceable back-up C.
Garry Gilliam is a RT/big TE, somewhat of a offensive line chess piece.
Garret Scott could very well get back, I’m hoping he does, during Training camp this guy was bringing out equipment, player’s pads and helmet, bags of ball. You can tell he wants to be part of this team.
So really Seattle needs a LG to replace Carp if he departs, and another back-up OT, especially on the right side.
IDK if it’s true, but there’s reports/rumors that OL Donovan Smith is lazy and has a bad work ethic.
DJ Humphries is probably the 1st or 2nd LT prospect off the board.
I’m looking at La’ el Collins, Jake Fisher, Cam Ervin, and Ereck Flowers.
Originally I said I wasn’t sold on Flowers, but after watching the game tape of his against NC, I think it was from 2013, I was pretty. Much blown away. This guy moves so well in the run game, he’s nasty, and is always looking for something to hit, even 10-15 yards downfield. Also has an amazing back-story. Lost his mom at age 9 or 10 in Kansas, and it’s been just him and his pops ever since then.
What’s up bobbyk? I’m guessing you’re the bobbyk from TNT blog. I read over there all the time and post 3-4 times a year. Do you have any favorite WR or OL prospects?
Yep. It’s me. Personally, I’d love for Lael Collins to fall to us but I know that’s probably more wishful thinking than anything. He’s a mauler and we so badly need a bad dude to run behind in short yardage situations with the Beast. If we could pair him with Okung on the left side, I think we could move some bodies on 3rd and 1 and get there more times than not. With Unger and Sweezy not being dominant guys head on (I do like them fine), I think we really need a guy with some force in the interior. Or if they moved Britt to LG and tried Collins at RT due to his better athleticism, that’d be an option. I’m tired of seeing players running around our tackles. Besides, if we’re going to go for a J. Thomas or pass catching TE, then we need a RT who can pass protect more than ever. At least with Miller, there was help for Breno in the past and Britt earlier this year until Miller went on IR.
I like Devin Smith but in a trade down scenario where they move down from 31. I don’t like that he’s a skinny receiver like PRich, but for some reason, I do like him even though I’d definitely prefer a taller and more physical receiver in a perfect world.
I’ve seen mock drafts with Collins falling but I think a more likely OT/OG prospect at 31 is Cedric Oghbehi. He has really long arms, almost 36″ and comes from Texas A&M, aka OT U. I can’t stand the sight of Britt whiffing on another speed rusher. #31 has to be an offensive player, either blocking for RW or catching TDs. BobbyK, I’m glad you’re here.
Ogbuehi recovering from a torn ACL. Had a very poor 2014 season.
Owamagbe Odighizuwa is looking really good. He’s faster than I expected. Nate Orchard is disappointingly slow in comparison. Definitely one of my favorite guys in the late first to early second range.
Ryan Russell and Preston Smith are looking pretty fluid in the drills.
Owa looks great, but I still have huge questions about his edge ability. He has some amazing gifts and part of me still likes the idea of him bulking up to 285 and becoming a pass rushing 3T. You are potentially talking about a 285 lb DT who runs a mid 4.7 and jumps 35″…**accounting for weight gain**.
The combine still amazes me. There are some guys that absolutely show up, that you just don’t see on tape (i.e. Jaelen Strong running sub 4.5). Then other guys who look much faster/more explosive on tape, that just look meh at the combine (i.e. Duke Johnson).
This last comment probably belongs in another thread, but can we drop the DGB to SEA in R1? He’s athletically not as gifted as many previously made him out to be. I can honestly name a bunch of WRs this year that excite me more than him. This might be unfair of me to say, but he looks like a guy who lacks fire/passion. I just can’t see him surviving in SEA. Get him around the LOB, and I can see this guy folding like a lawn chair. White, Parker, Cooper, Strong, Dorsett, McBride, Agholor, etc excite me more than DGB. And I really am not trying to be hyperbolic about that.
DGB’s combine over hyped because of the 4.49. He didn’t jump well at all and lacks length.
Agree completely with so much WR talent available why take the risk.
He solidified himself as a 2nd-3rd round pick in my eyes. Terrible length. Small hands. Personality concerns. I hope someone above us takes him and forces someone we want down the board.
and his interview sucked. I mean, it sucked
I sure hope DGB isn’t there at 31 so there is no temptation to take him. I like Agholor and I’d take him at 31 – or drop down a few spots in the 2nd and then take a flyer on a taller guy like Dezmin Lewis or Waller in the 5th or so. Kenny Bell is a guy I want to take a look at too – does the tape match the numbers.
I like Agholor because we need a punt returner!!!! A punt returner who can make a difference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zKXhLkGgk4
Devon Hester, who is the greatest punt returner of all time, was only a 2nd rounder. We have enough small fast receivers. Special teams + only goes so far. We need a long possession WR target, a pocket collapsing DT, or Jalen Collins.
This combine has no pocket collapsing DTs, All the guys that have good production or exciting skill sets don’t match Seattle’s arm length requirements,
The best looking interior D-lineman so far is Miami’s Anthony Chickillo
Does anybody want to take a swing on connley? the guy who had a 45in vert? ran a 4.3 or 4.4 and broad jumped 11’6? I mean the guy has the measurements of a dynamic wr. I say whatever round we have to draft in to get him, do it. Let the coaches work with him and make him into an animal
I’d take home the 4th round with a comp pick. He seems like the athletic/high upside receiver Seattle tends to take in the 4th round every year.
YES…i want him !!!!
hmmmm….Paea will collapse a pocket nicely. He is available starting March 10th.
With his rugby background you gotta think hes on a radar, thise regime likes players with unique abilities and paea might be the strongest dt in the whole league
Rob have you seen any tape of Davis Tull? Those are incredible #s in the explosive drills. Wish he could have ran but with those jumping #s one would expect an impressive 10 yd split.
Sounds like he has a good back story and might have that chip on his shoulder we are looking for. If he has any natural talent he might be a better developement prospect than someone like Hunter out of LSU who has been mocked to us in the 2nd or 3rd but just does not seem to have the passion.
I have not — but will be sure to check it out after today. On the priority list.
Short arms. He’ll have trouble getting off blocks.
Yeah, he’s an ideal LEO candidate, except for the fact he has 31′ inch arms
Shame, didn’t see the arm length. No way Seattle takes him to play D-end with that length. Mayock suggested he would play SAM backer. He’s probably right.
That McGinn piece is good. You should do something similar Rob. I found this interesting
Jalen Collins*, CB, Louisiana State: 6-1, 203. Started in 2014 after serving as a nickel back for two seasons. “He won’t run well enough to be a first-rounder,” one scout said. “Real good size. Little raw. His ceiling is as a No. 2 type corner.”
Kinda hope that’s true. :-), but before we go to Rob Stanton for comment let’s check in again with the Seahawks Draft Blog Social Media Command Center! Ugh.
I wonder if owa’s hip problems (soreness, rehab, tentativeness, what have you) created some of the problems with his bend on the edge?
Possibly, it’s a fair shout. But I think a lot of the problem is technique.
I’ve heard that the surface or turf was already worn down by the time the HBs got out there yesterday. Could just be rumors or guys making excuses, but I thought it was interesting.
Interesting.
I know we are on defense today – but I’ve been looking at Agholor’s highlights – this is a young man that I would love to see as a Seahawk!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnZN_dmq23I
There is some really bad CB play on that video. Agholor is a good WR, but man some of those CB’s make him look like Jerry Rice.
I love Agholor too. He had the best 10 yard split, which tells me that he’s explosive and can create separation. He can contribute right away on KR/PR and I think he’s a legit #2 WR in the future.
Anyone else think Bud Dupree possibly drops out of the first round and is is siting right there for the taking at 31? Fits the bill for what the Seahawks like out of the LEO position and ran in the 4.5 range.
Does anyone think Seattle might move up in the draft? Right now they are sitting in what feels like to me no mans land at 31 with 11 picks with a lot of talent at positions of need slated to go right before they pick.
Too good of an athlete to drop. That said, if he was at 31…I have no doubt PC/JS would jump all over that. They could do some ridiculous things on this defense.
I kept hearing MM during the combine say he is hearing he might drop, that why I asked. If guys like Ray, Harold, Beasley go before Dupree maybe he slips, like you I doubt it — the kid is too good of a athlete at a valued position. The idea of trading the pick (up or down) is really starting to make the most sense to me IMO.
I agree. 31 seems like no man’s land to me. Just don’t see the value. I hate perpetually trading back, but this year, again makes sense to do that. Though, obviously, I’d prefer a slight trade up.
Also, watching how slow these LBers have been, just reaffirms to me that Dupree is just too good of an athlete to slip. I’m amazed his slow these LBers have been. 2 or 3 guys, maybe, with the requisites athleticism to be a Seahawk. Resigning KJ Wright seems like a no brainer after watching this.
John Schneider has an amazing ability to see and predict how the draft is going to go and what kind of prospects will be ‘their’ guys 4-5 months out,
Notice how 2 of the first prospects they interviewed were a TE and a converted CB that’s a QB? Then the TEs looked awful, and oh that’s right, only 7 CBs that have Seattle’s arm requirement. Signs Cliff Avril, because the only LEOs that match Seattle’s length and speed are wither going to be too much of a project for a 1st or 2nd rounder or out of their range,
Dupree lacks the length Seattle likes for the LEO. In SEA’s scheme he’s probably an outside backer.
How do you see him fitting in as a outside line backer? He would be a big one
Hyrbid type. Have him dropping, but also rushing too. Similar to Irvin. He’s athletic enough for it.
Davis Tells is exciting, but just like the CB position Seattle has never drafted a D-lineman with less than 32 inch arms and no DT under 33 inch arms,
Honestly, I still like LSU DE Danielle Hunter, but he may be too much of a project for Seattle’s 1st or 2nd selection and outside of Dupree, Beasley, and Harold, who will be out of Seattle’s range IMO, there are NO D-lineman that have stood out to me. Again, not sure a Seattle D-lineman is at the combine. ‘Doggy’ is not an edge rushers, and the DTs have completely under-whelmed.
One guy that has impressed me is Miami’s DL Anthony Chickillo. Put 7-8 more pounds on this guy and use him as a Michael Bennett type. Seattle did use multiple under-sized D-lineman this year and signed a handful of them to the PS, so maybe their looking for another guy like this, Very versatile, great motor, big character, I like this guy.
Odighizuwa was at least as impressive as Harold. He hasn’t got the big production to match his athleticism though. If you want a pure 4-3 defensive end you wont find one with better measureables than him.
He’s impressive, but not an edge rushers. I’d rather have Anthony Chickillo who you could get 2-3 rounds later, and he probably gives you just as much off the edge and close to the dame production rushing from the inside.
First round locks:
2 (QB) Winston/Mariota
3 (WR) Cooper/White/Parker
4 (OL) Peat/Scherff/Collins/Clemmings
4 (DL) Williams/Gregory/Ray/Shelton
3 (LB) Beasley/Thompson/Fowler
First round consideration:
2 (RB) Gurley/Gordon
2 (WR) Green/Strong
2 (OL) Flowers/Fisher
4 (DL) Phillips/Brown/Goldman/Armstead
1 (LB) Harold
2 (CB) Peters/Waynes
1 (S) Collins
That’s 30 players, not to mention all the workout warriors that will make the 1st because of the combine. That leaves a ton of talent for us.
(WR) Agholor/Dorsett/Smith/Coates
(TE) Williams/Funchess
(OL) Erving
(CB) Collins
Trade next years first and come away with Erving/Collins/Agholor with 3 2nd round picks. If only 2, would probably lean Erving/Agholor but would be good with Collins/Agholor as long as 3rd and 4th we add some talent and depth on the OL
I wouldn’t call Thompson a first round lock if we’re talking about Shaq.
Like the idea. But don’t agree on a few other guys who won’t be 1sts…Greene, Flowers, Fisher, Peters. Missing a few, Dupree to start
My bad. Dupree a lock. The second list are the players that will most likely go in first also. So both lists are my version of first round picks, leaving us a lot of choices at 31. Can’t believe I said 31. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
DJ Humphries is a 1st round lock, I’m not sure Shaq Thompson is or Danny Shelton.
I’d be pretty excited over a La’ el Collins or Cam Erving and a Tre McBride or Nelson Agholor
2 mid-late round options at DT stand out on paper to me, Tyeler Davidson and Derrick Lott. They both checked off a lot of boxes. 33+” arms with 30+ reps on the bench, just solid times across the board. Really liked the tape I’ve seen on Lott, but he’s from a small school. Haven’t seen Davidson before, but Mayock has mentioned a couple times that he was a high school wrestler. Any idea’s on where Davidson is slated to go in the draft? He’s looking better and better the more I look into him!
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Tyeler-Davison?id=2552329
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Derrick-Lott?id=2552561
Big fan of Tyler Davison. I think he’s a 3rd-5th round guy. He has that ‘bowling ball’ type build that Seattle seems to favor at the DT position. He’d make a very nice back-up to Mebane at the 1-tech.
Derrick Lott is interesting, but I believe he’s already 25, and if so, doesn’t present us with much more than what we have in DT Jimmy Staten.
Where is Arizona St DT Marcus Hardison?
Clemson’s DL Corey Crawford has some really nice length and is an interesting guy. Kind of unique size.
Who is the older bald coach doing the zone coverage drill? We need a slo-mo GIF of his over the top gesticulations. Too funny.
Bryce Hager looked pretty good today as a later round guy. Maybe a FB convert? He is a former RB
If Seattle does go LB, I’m hoping it’s Penn St MLB Mike Hull as a priority UDFA.
I brought him up in yesterday’s piece, and again, he’s in the same vein as a Heath Farwell and Brock Coyle, but with much more natural instincts for the position. Seattle does like Penn St players and they used to be ‘LB-U.’
Zach Hodges, OLB, Harvard
He had a nice combine overall… and is considered a clone of O’Brien Schofield by NFL.com scouts.
This is a pick round 5-7 type of guy. Seattle loves “smart” players.
Nice. Hodges may have the most jaw dropping back story/up-bringing I’ve heard. Him and Eli Harold, but Hodges didn’t have a brother like Harold did.
He would be a nice back-up SAM LB. Love some of his quotes too. Refers to his playing style as ‘a shark that smells blood in the water.’
Baylor LB Bryce Hager actually had some impressive numbers after I went back and checked. Anyone of these 3 would be solid choices late on day 3, if Seattle goes that route. UDFA might be the best option this year with the LBs.
Just curious, any idea what Chris Clemons 40 and splits were?
He ran a 4.68, splits not available.
Agholar is a really interesting prospect. He just produced and he can return punts. Anyone else want to sign up for more Walters??? We had the WORST return units that I can ever remember as a hawks fan. How much if a difference would better field position have made? Fix the return game, up the talent level of the receiver corp, and find a replacement for maxwell.
I’d say of the linebackers, Edmond Robinson as a later round pick would be the more likely target of the group. I do think of the 10 picks, one will be spent on a linebacker. It’s definitely a group light on SPARQ
Considering the depth they have at LB, I just can’t see a player within this class I’d want to spend a pick on. Could be better options in UDFA.