Looking at two scenarios with the #5 pick

January 9th, 2023 | Written by Rob Staton

It’s still early and things can change but I think the #1 pick is going to come down to a battle between two teams.

Who will offer the best package to Chicago? Indianapolis or Carolina.

The Colts have gone through Jacoby Brissett, Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan, Nick Foles and others. They need to draft a young, talented quarterback and arguably can’t afford to just sit at #4 and hope for the best.

David Tepper, the Panthers’ owner, is not a shrinking violet. He’s been chasing a quarterback splash ever since he bought the club. He’s seen his team compete like crazy in the second half of the 2022 season and he’ll probably believe they’re ‘a quarterback away’.

Indianapolis has the advantage of being able to offer the Bears the #4 pick. The Panthers will probably be more aggressive in trade talks because they’d need to make a bigger move to go from #9 to #1.

There are other teams who could get into the mix — Las Vegas for example, as they prepare to move on from Derek Carr. I just feel like the Colts and Panthers are the two to monitor at this early stage.

Chicago will be rubbing their hands with glee. They control the draft by getting ahead of the Texans for the #1 pick and can guarantee the quarterback of preference to any potential suitor. Before Houston’s win against the Colts, they could only guarantee QB2.

Their priority will be to determine how far they’re prepared to trade down. If the Colts do make an offer but it isn’t as strong as Carolina’s, are they more inclined to take it knowing they’ll still be able to draft one of Will Anderson or Jalen Carter at #4? Or are they simply after the biggest offer, which may come from the Panthers or someone else later on?

I will likely do mock drafts in the coming weeks where I project Indianapolis and Carolina trading into #1.

What happens will have a big impact on the Seahawks. For example, if the Bears trade with the Colts, it’s likely Anderson and Carter will be off the board — possibly forcing Seattle to take the third quarterback at #5. Alternatively if the Bears drop to #9, that likely creates a situation where three quarterbacks go in the top-four, delivering the Seahawks one of Anderson or Carter.

Let’s look at the two scenarios. I’m going to project where I think certain players are likely to go and it what it would mean for Seattle.

The Colts trade up from #4

#1 Indianapolis (v/CHI) — C.J. Stroud (QB, Ohio State)
#2 Houston — Will Levis (QB, Kentucky)
#3 Arizona — Will Anderson (EDGE, Alabama)
#4 Chicago (v/IND) — Jalen Carter (DT, Georgia)

In this projection, the fact the Bears only trade down three spots takes the top two defenders off the board before the #5 pick. This would likely steer the Seahawks towards drafting a quarterback of the future.

Such a prospect is regularly rejected on Twitter by an army of Seahawks fans repelled by the idea of planning ahead at the position. As discussed already in detail, it’s something that should at least be considered.

It’s not disloyal or disrespectful of Geno Smith to note he turns 33 this year, is out of contract soon, isn’t guaranteed to provide years of quality play and simply might not be good enough to lead you to the promise land. It’s OK to acknowledge that might all be true while appreciating the unexpected highs he reached earlier in the season and hoping he can be retained on perhaps a two-year extension.

Smith’s also had some rough moments in recent weeks which have to at least make you pause on a massive, multi-year deal. He’s thrown 13 touchdowns and seven interceptions since Germany and had several other near-interceptions. It shouldn’t steer anyone to want rid of Smith but it should create a broader discussion about what the future looks like.

A best of both worlds situation would be to retain Smith as a bridge and then draft a longer-term alternative who won’t face the pressure to start immediately. Again, any talk of this is often derided as a ‘waste’ — but if Anderson or Carter are both off the board anyway, there’s little reason not to consider this.

Tyree Wilson and Myles Murphy are a hard sell at #5. Wilson has great size and length but his play is inconsistent and you worry about whether he’s twitchy enough to be a difference maker at the next level. Murphy will test well but looks like someone who’s been able to get by as a great athlete in college. He was spelled/benched at times for Clemson in 2022, his production is mediocre, his body lacks muscle definition and he was run all over by Notre Dame. He looks like a player who is going to require a rocket up the arse when he gets to the NFL.

In this first scenario my suggestion would be that the Seahawks strongly consider drafting Bryce Young or Anthony Richardson to sit behind Geno Smith with the intention of taking over in 2024 or 2025.

Young has a winners mentality, he’s naturally gifted and creative and he’s had an excellent college career. The problem, as everyone knows by now, is size. He’s said to be approximately 5-10/5-11 in height and around 185lbs. That is going to put a question mark in the mind of decision makers because nobody can project how that type of body will hold up in the NFL. There’s no precedent in the modern game.

Richardson meanwhile has superstar potential with a prototype frame, physical tools and the ability to make big plays with his legs or arm. He is far more developed than people give him credit for — he just needs time and experience. He shares a lot of similarities to Josh Allen in that regard but let’s also not forget that Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes also had plenty of doubters coming into the NFL.

It’s hard not to watch Richardson — or Will Levis — and not think ‘this is what John Schneider has typically sought at the position’. Stroud and Young are so talented, however, that they also surely carry appeal.

You don’t have to take my word on the order of the QB’s taken. If you want to mix things around that’s fine. Any of the top four would be a great pick — an investment for the future at the most important position. A chance to grab someone special at quarterback. This isn’t a luxury pick — you would still have another first rounder, two second rounders and a third rounder to address other needs.

The Panthers trade up from #4

#1 Carolina (v/CHI) — C.J. Stroud (QB, Ohio State)
#2 Houston — Will Levis (QB, Kentucky)
#3 Arizona — Will Anderson (EDGE, Alabama)
#4 Indianapolis — Bryce Young (QB, Alabama)

In this situation, the Bears move out of the top five and increase the chances of three quarterbacks leaving the board before Seattle’s pick. If the Colts are content taking the third or fourth quarterback this could happen. If they grade QB3 or QB4 in the same range as QB1, they are less likely to try and get up to #1.

The Panthers at #9 have little chance of getting at a quarterback. I’m not convinced Anthony Richardson will last that long, for example. They are likely to be aggressive to solve this long-standing need.

Jalen Carter remains on the board and would be a strong option for Seattle at #5, along with Richardson. I suspect Will Anderson will be taken before Carter, simply due to the vast difference in how they’re perceived. Anderson is an amped up live-wire who plays with great effort. There have been well-publicised reports of character concerns for Carter and we all saw how gassed he looked against LSU and Ohio State.

The Seahawks have shown little fear in rolling the dice in the past and might be willing to take a chance on Carter’s potential due to the huge boom-factor of him working out. He’ll certainly need to do some serious fitness work in the off-season and he’ll need to allay character worries during the draft process. Yet there’s no doubting he might be the most talented player in the draft and at the very least he’s in the top-three.

Character, attitude and effort matters. Taking a flashy defensive tackle at #5 won’t mean much if he can’t play more than 40% of the snaps or creates issues behind the scenes. The risk factor has to be considered here and likely will be considered by teams (eg Arizona) who are provided an opportunity to weigh up Anderson vs Carter.

This is why Todd McShay called Carter a ‘hot-button name’ when reporting on the concerns within the league. It’s going to be discussed a lot, analysed a lot. One of the main reasons will be the lack of concern regarding Anderson or the top quarterbacks who all have no such character complaints.

One of the benefits of picking at #5 is other teams get to make your decision a lot easier. At #3 it might be very difficult to pick between Anderson, Carter and the third quarterback. That’s a very challenging call with a chance to look foolish if you get it wrong. If the decision comes down to Carter and the fourth quarterback on the board, there’s probably going to be less blowback if the pick goes wrong. It’ll be seen as a ‘no brainer’ to take Carter and there might be a decent grading difference between the top three quarterbacks and Anthony Richardson — who has a lot less starting experience.

For Seahawks fans desperate for the team to draft a defensive lineman and are worried falling to #5 takes them out of range for Anderson or Carter — this is a realistic scenario that keeps one of them on the board.

Final thoughts

Ultimately this is just a follow-up to what I wrote yesterday. Having #3 instead of #5 is obviously preferable. That’s stating the obvious. However — the Seahawks are guaranteed to be in position to draft one of:

C.J. Stroud
Will Levis
Bryce Young
Anthony Richardson
Will Anderson
Jalen Carter

That’s a really good group and any of the six are worth the pick.

This is a good thing for the Seahawks.

There are going to be other scenarios worth discussing as time goes on. I don’t think it’s out of the realms of possibility Houston takes a defender at #2, especially if they love Anderson or Carter. We’ve got plenty of time to break it all down.

I will again plead with fans to be open minded about the possibility of a quarterback or a defensive lineman at #5. Both options should and almost certainly will be considered.

I’d also ask for people to not believe everything you read about these players in the mainstream media. There are plenty of false narratives out there about this quarterback class — and about some of the defenders too.

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126 Responses to “Looking at two scenarios with the #5 pick”

  1. Jackson says:

    “It’s hard not to watch Richardson — or Will Levis — and not think ‘this is what John Schneider has typically sought at the position”

    This is ultimately the part of the write up that I keep coming back to. Based on everything we know about Schneider and the QB prospects he’s been rumored to prefer over the last 5-6 years, both Richardson and Levis stand out to me as guys that I think he will absolutely love in this class.

    I think Geno on a bridge QB deal + QB at #5 is an ideal scenario. As you brought up on the pod, Seattle hopefully won’t be in a position pick this high again for a very long time, so securing the QB of the future is very difficult to pass up.

    Regardless, if someone had told me on 15 August 2022 (date format just for you, Rob) that at the end of the regular season we’d be in the playoffs and also drafting at 5th overall, I would have requested that person take a drug test and bring the results back to me.

    The dilemma at #5 is the definition of a first world problem.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I suppose it’s also worth noting that some people have suggested John wanted to draft Andy Dalton in 2011 but Pete said no. And Dalton is very different.

      We can never verify that of course. Someone who was well sourced at the time told me post draft they had Blaine Gabbert as QB1 and Kaepernick as QB2 FWIW which would dispel the Dalton stuff, but it was out there.

      • Rob Staton says:

        And another FWIW — that same source tipped me off that the Seahawks were trading for Marshawn Lynch in 2010, enabling me to tweet about it and then this screen-grab happened…

        https://ibb.co/HXrwffn

        The only time I’ll ever get mentioned in the same paragraph as Jay Glazer 🙂

      • Ian says:

        Rob, if Seattle held the #1 pick and you were GM who would you select?

        • Mel says:

          My guess would be Levis. You really can’t discount playing in a pro style offense with that coaching. Scangarello was the OC in Denver and worked under Shannahan as a QB coach. It was never going to produce spread offense numbers, but it gives Levis a head start over Stoud…Who I’m guessing would be the pick if not Levis.

          So what I’m really saying is “I don’t know” lol

        • Ian says:

          Maybe another way to phrase it would be who would you most like to see fall–realistically or unrealistically–to the Seahawks at #5?

    • BobbyK says:

      I remember Schneider loved Charlie Whitehurst coming out of college. He talked about how he could throw deep effortlessly and the ball just took off. He also said he had the perfect body for the position. That always stuck with me. Of course, he sucked but that’s not the point. He told us of his “type” after they made that trade to get him.

      • Rob Staton says:

        He talked about how he could throw deep effortlessly and the ball just took off.

        Levis, Richardson

        But FWIW — Young and Stroud also throw effortlessly and do not have weak arms

        • Ben says:

          Richardson throws the ball 40 yards as easily as I throw it 5. It’s insane to watch. I haven’t watched Levis in a while, but I remember seeing the same kind of arm.

  2. DawgyD says:

    Or the hawks make a bold move to ensure getting the QB they want, and (being this close to the top of the board) trade up with Chicago to get Levi’s or Stroud.
    They have to get a QB. We lucked into a high pick, go get The Guy.

  3. Nick says:

    We have to keep an open mind as a fan base, agreed! QB, DL at #5 or trade back and go BPA.

    Feel like that pick #37 is right where they like to select a WR. For what it’s worth, I think getting a QB, C, and WR with the first three picks would be excellent use of draft capital. Makes our offensive line super young (and means we can keep the C for a 5th year too if we please).

    • Rob Staton says:

      There are definitely going to be some good WR options between 20-40

    • Old but Slow says:

      I would be somewhat disappointed if we did not have at least one defensive pick in the top 3. While I would love to get a quality 3d receiver, the needs are too great in other areas. There are centers and WRs, according to Rob’s last horizontal board, who could be good after our first takes are gone. For example, it seems that getting players like J L Skinner, Kancey, or Mazi Smith would seem better value.

  4. Matthew Berkson says:

    Hey Rob-

    Great work as usual. I see you keep preaching to make Seahawks fans to be open minded about drafting a QB at 5th overall. I assume this means many you interact with haven’t been to this point. Personally I am very open minded. In fact I’d rather have a QB than Jalen Carter.

    That said can we ask you be open minded to the idea of trading down? No good GM would be doing his job if he didn’t explore all options. And if they believe that whomever is available at 5 isn’t going to help the team as much as what could be returned in a trade, then trading down must be considered.

    • Rob Staton says:

      There are a ton of Seahawks fans online who not only don’t want to draft a QB at #5, they start frothing at the mouth when it’s even suggested as something to think about

      I’ve never not been open-minded to trading down. I’d consider anything. I just don’t get the obsession at times with trading down. We haven’t picked in the top-five since 2009 and we want to start nickel and diming things just to get picks in a range where we’ve not been great at drafting over the years?

      • JJ says:

        We have 9 picks. I can’t see them trading down when the difference from the top 5 to rest of first round is vast. If anything I can see a trade down with the second pick.

      • cha says:

        If they trade down from 5 after justifying the Jamal Adams trade by saying they never get into the top-10 so they felt they had to give up a king’s ransom to get him…

  5. Roy Batty says:

    Rob, I keep going back to your suggestion that the Texans might just go with Anderson or Carter.

    It will be interesting to see if they grab one of the FA vet QBs to help guide the team before the draft, or at least make a big push to acquire one. The Texans have proven to be a hard playing, confident group who are just missing too many pieces. A steady, guiding hand at QB would be a big help.

  6. DC1234 says:

    Rob,

    any chance a prospect will jump up and overtake the top 6 prospect other than the lot (levis,stroud,young,richardson,carter,anderson)?

    Like a WR or OT? Based on how well they test in the combine, pro-day.

    I just want a team to reach in the top 4 picks.

    Its a pipe dream, but im hoping Arizona picks a wr or oline with their 3rd pick.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Definitely not at offensive tackle, the guys just aren’t in this class.

      Very, very doubtful at receiver. There isn’t a legit top-10 receiver

      So bad news there I’m afraid

      • DC1234 says:

        Dang…

        good thing seahawks pick #5. That broncos vs rams christmas game was huge for the seahawks draft position.

  7. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Broderick Jones looking pretty good so far and I’m not even eyeing him

  8. samprassultanofswat says:

    Jalen Carter has a lot on the line in tonite’s College Football Championship game. No doubt that he had to be embarrassed by his game against Ohio State. Georgia won by the skin of their teeth. But they did win. Carter has a chance to redeem himself. Carter has a lot on the line in this game. Georgia did win. So Carter has a 2nd chance to prove himself. His performance in tonite’s game will go a long way to see where he could be drafted.

  9. ShowMeYourHawk says:

    With either of these scenarios, drafting Richardson seems the best option. Unless Arizona and whomever is at 4 decide to pass on Anderson, in which case, it really just becomes how John and the scouts feel about DE options later in the draft. Perhaps draft Richardson as the heir apparent at #5 and take a gamble on Henry, Foskey, Ojulari or Army’s Carter with your early second?

    • Ben says:

      Richardson has been and continues to be my personal favorite player in the draft. If we get him at 5 I’d be ecstatic.

  10. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Woof Carter missed badly!

  11. Seahawkwalt says:

    Avila looks solid out there ..

  12. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Beauty of a throw by Bennett

  13. Trevor says:

    Bowers is a stud!

  14. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Nifty scramble by Bennett

  15. Rob Staton says:

    The rout is on

  16. Roy Batty says:

    All the hype for the Georgia defense has overshadowed a capable offense.

    They aren’t even halfway through the 2nd and they already have 250 yards on offense.

    • Trevor says:

      Thier offense is a very bit as good as their defense IMO. Would love to see a Macintosh and Van Pran in Hawks jerseys next year. Wouldn’t even mind Stetson Bennet as a late day 3 pick.

  17. Blitzy the Clown says:

    BTW it has not stopped raining. Not for one second. Still coming down like I’m Noah in my ark

  18. cha says:

    SVP physically reminds me of Abe Lucas when standing next to other OLs.

    Other guys have a gut, some loose flab. Not him.

    SVP looks like one of those guys that slipped through the cracks of the “let’s take this chiseled high school athlete and make him a defender” movement.

  19. Palatypus says:

    This is the difference between having three weeks to prepare for Michigan and one week for the defending national champions.

  20. Trevor says:

    Hard pass for me on Jalen Carter in the top 5. Woukd much sooner take a chance on a QB like Richarson, Levis, Young, Stroud. The only defender I would consider is Will Anderson who also shows a great motor and character.

    • Denver Hawker says:

      Will be interesting to see how other DTs test and whether anyone can close the gap. Passing on Carter (not saying I’m opposed or disagree with you) might also mean missing on the next tier going ahead of our 2nd R1

  21. Trevor says:

    Van Pran just opened a hole for Macintosh that a you could drive a truck through.

  22. Palatypus says:

    Hodges is a Navy transfer?

    Isn’t that desertions?

  23. Trevor says:

    Rob would Bowers be the top rated non QB offensive player on your board of eligible this year?

  24. Troy says:

    Carter hasn’t really flashed other than that sideline tackle ya? I saw him push the pocket a bit but he hasn’t been anywhere near dominant…maybe TCU is just scheming against him Ala Donald.

    • Palatypus says:

      He gets horn blocked a lot. He also seems to lunge and get off balance.

    • Palatypus says:

      There Jalen Carter beat a double team and penetrating deep into the pocket.

      I think some of his problem might be technique.

      • BobbyK says:

        Yes. And being lazy. If you’re a projected top prospect and you’re out of shape… you’re lazy. Red flag. Put Poona Ford’s brain and heart into Carter and I’d easily take him #1 overall and not second guess anything. But that’s not the world we live in.

  25. Palatypus says:

    What Georgia is doing to TCU is, well, unchristian.

    The Devil came down to Georgia.

    • Blitzy the Clown says:

      I’ll bet a football of gold against your soul
      Cuz I think I’m better than you

      • Palatypus says:

        Yeah TCU lost that bet.

        This wasn’t Ralph Macchio outdueling Steve Vai on guitar in the movie Crossroads. This was all of the scenes where Ralph Macchio gets his arse kicked in The Karate Kid.

  26. Big Mike says:

    If Carolina moves up to #1, they most likely take Stroud imo. He’s a “flashy” pick and they need a splash to justify a big trade up plus Tepper seems the make a big splash type. Levis won’t fit that bill tho he could be the better QB in the long run.

  27. Trevor says:

    Georgia looks like an NFL team physically. If you just turned in the TV and did not see the logo you would think you were looking at an NFL team warming up.

  28. icb12 says:

    I fully expect the Seahawks to do Seahawks things..

    And with the 5th pick in the 2023 NFL draft the Seattle Seahawks select .. Rashad Torrence, safety, Florida.

    And we all collectively go-. “huh, wtf, no!, Wrong Florida player Pete!”

    • Big Mike says:

      Last year’s draft gives me hope that something like that won’t happen. However….

      • BobbyK says:

        My saving grace is JS got final say in the draft and that’s why they finally had a good one after a long, long time of crap moves, whether it’s drafting LJ Collier or trading for Herpes from the Jets. I don’t know he has final say, but that’s the only thing that makes sense.

        At this point, I just take Richardson at 5 and worry about trying to trade down a bit at 20 to get even more picks (even if it’s a pick for ’24 or ’25).

        • Roy Batty says:

          Last year was the textbook draft formula of trusting scouts and researchers, letting the draft come to them, grabbing fallen talent and sticking to their own big board.

          They were disciplined and confident.

          It was refreshing and I expect the same thing this year.

  29. Palatypus says:

    Since we have a snoozer of a game, I just wanted to let all of you fine people know that I did some advance scouting at the Senior Bowl site in the interest of your safety. That is, if you attend the game.

    You see, last year after I parked my car walking to Hancock Whitney Stadium I notice a sign. It read: BEWARE OF ALLIGATORS AND SNAKES. I didn’t know it at the time, but I was at the trailhead of the University of South Alabama nature area. This is similar to the one at the University of West Florida near where I live.

    I was able to get close enough with my phone to take pictures of these two at UWF.

    https://twitter.com/AlbertB55481266/status/1612277936924532736?s=20&t=ThFhy_fpgfDfiOJu5EA1gw

    So last Sunday I decided to take my dog Daisey somewhere new and we hiked the trail. I am pleased to report that I did not see any alligators during this cold/dry season of the year. But, uh, I wouldn’t swim here.

    https://twitter.com/AlbertB55481266/status/1612277474724876289?s=20&t=ThFhy_fpgfDfiOJu5EA1gw

    So, the only Gators you will see at the Senior Bowl go to the University of Florida.

    And they suck!

  30. Troy says:

    How you like that Georgia are Rob? As good of a prospect as Mayer this year? That boy looks good…

  31. Nick says:

    Feel like Arizona could be a sneaky trade for Carolina?

    AZ don’t need a QB, and the #3 pick could offer Carolina or LV an opportunity to jump in front of Seattle and get their #1. Thoughts?

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think Arizona will gratefully take whichever of the two DL’s they prefer at #3 having lost Chandler Jones and now JJ Watt

      • Nick says:

        Great point.

        • Palatypus says:

          Will Anderson probably makes more sense than Jalen Carter.

          • Jessie says:

            Hot take but after the combine I see Arizona drafting Myles Murphy. In my own research his pro comp is chandler jones. He is also going to have essentially the same measurable and athleticism as trevaun walker the #1 overall pick last year. He is flawed but he is young, Uber athletic and considered a high character guy. Coaches will fall in love with him after interviews.

            Then hopefully will Anderson or Cj stroud can fall to the Seahawks. But I’ve actually convinced myself I would be ecstatic to have Myles Murphy aka chandler jones 2.0. Rob there’s no way you could be happy for 23 year old rookie boye mafe last year and not be excited or Murphy. I get it he sucks at football but he has a physical profile that is insane. His size plus athleticism will honestly probably be the best at the combine

    • 12th chuck says:

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Arizona traded back either,

    • DJ 1/2 way says:

      It may involve several trades, but I think there is a good chance the QBs go in the first four picks. Carter drops some more after another forgetable game. Seattle is left with the DE.

      • Blitzy the Clown says:

        While he didn’t take over the game or anything like that, Carter had some good looks.

        I don’t think he changed anyone’s opinion about him. If you like him, you saw enough tonight. If you don’t, you didn’t.

  32. Palatypus says:

    All this talk of McConkey and the lopsided score is giving me flashbacks to the Giants vs. Broncos in Super Bowl XXI.

  33. Michael says:

    The Seahawks have never picked at #5 in the first round. We had a #4 pick which turned into the greatly disappointing Aaron Curry but we have had two#6 picks which turned out great with Walter Jones and Russell Okung

  34. Hoggs41 says:

    I really think the wildcard here could be the Cardinals pick. Maybe the Panthets say #1 is to rich and just settle for #3. Will be really fun to watch this play out.

  35. Palatypus says:

    TCU

    Totally…

    Crushed…

    Unmercifully…

  36. Turnagaintide says:

    Mike Tannenbaum suggest yesterday on Twitter that the Bears will have a lot on internal discussions about drafting Brice Young vs staying with Fields. I could see a teams like the Commanders or the Falcons trading their first pick for Justin Fields.

  37. Jessie says:

    Any chance Myles Murphy after the combine plus interviews becomes the #1 defender taken. Chandler jones had 4 sacks a year in college and has been one of the best defenders in the nfl for the last 8 years. He has similar athleticism to him and play style.

    Any chance teams look at his young age , true junior , and elite physical traits plus size and say “we can work with this, his best football is ahead of him” over a guy like will Anderson who doesn’t really fit a 4-3 that Arizona runs per example

    We saw it last year with trevaun walker over aiden Hutchinson and though aiden had the better rookie year I’m sure the jags still expected that. They drafted trevaun for what they think they can mold him into going forward and a team might do the same with Murphy. Chandler jones wasn’t good at stopping the run in college either and in the nfl he found a way to do it all (even though he has fallen off this year in his 30s).

    • Jessie says:

      I also forgot about Ezekiel ansah. He never did anything in college , had one season where he had 4.5 sacks and then when healthy was an elite player in the nfl. He was 6’5 275 , Myles Murphy is going to be good in the nfl. These guys who are Uber athletic with exception size at the defensive end position are quite often much better in the nfl then they are in college

    • Rob Staton says:

      To answer the first question, no

      • Jessie says:

        Ok that’s probably true , will Anderson most likely goes first. However if you want to get excited about Myles Murphy go look at chandler jones college tape. I know above you said their nothing alike but I disagree. It’s kind of funny because chandler jones wore orange for Syracuse so not only do they have a similar physique but with their uniform it really does look like the same person. I unno just go back and watch chandler jones college tape and look at his stats and you might have a bit more optimism for Murphy. Maybe not , but it’s worked for me

        • Rob Staton says:

          Chandler Jones was 10lbs lighter than Murphy and they are/were very different players

          • Jessie says:

            Can I ask honestly why were you super excited when we draft boye mafe but if you got Myles Murphy you would be unhappy about it? Myles Murphy has a lot of the same issues mafe had and Murphy is a way better prospect the mafe just from being 3 years younger, bigger, faster, etc.

            Is it because of the difference in draft position? Again 6’5 prolly like 6’5 and a half Uber athletes aren’t really ever available in the 2nd round. I unno his ceiling is through the roof and he’s a prospect for sure but he has elite tools and size. He has hall of fame ceiling , meanwhile mafe ceiling is quality player like a cliff Avril. Murphys floor is cliff Avril , his ceiling is a great end of this generation so Ima be happy if we get him.

            Mafe got demolished in the run game last year and our coaching staff somehow fixed that so I expect they could do the same with Murphy

            • Rob Staton says:

              Boye Mafe is a totally different player and was drafted at #40 not #5

              He dominated the Senior Bowl, had fantastic reps 1v1 off the edge with a complete repertoire of being able to engage/disengage, speed-to-power, rip through contact and win with speed. He worked his arse off on tape. He needed to be more consistent and put it together and that’s why he lasted.

              Don’t really understand the comparison

  38. Stephen H says:

    A lot of talk (rightly so) about that #5 pick, but what about our second pick, oddly i find that much more intriguing. Looks like we have good ammo to move up if a position falls or even trade back or out the 1st to accumulate later/next year.

  39. Paul says:

    Scenario #1: SEA takes Bryce Young without hesitation.

    Scenario #2: Unless they really like Anthony Richardson or project Carter as the second coming of Aaron Donald, SEA attempts to trade down (or into 2024), especially if they share the assessment of Carter here. It’s hard to see them using the #5 pick on a DT: In twelve years, Schneider has drafted two (Reed and Green). He prefers to fill the position via free agency or trade.

  40. Deric says:

    I like the way you’ve thought about it. We are guaranteed to get one of those 6 players! That’s good news!

    As you said, sitting at #3 for weeks has had us dreaming of the trade scenarios and getting the player we have a draft crush on, but ultimately, at 5, you will still get one of these 6.

    Someone may also really want to break into this top 6 pool, in which you could broker a nice trade offer as well if they felt the drop off was huge between these 6 players and the next player available.

  41. GDD says:

    Hi Rob, who would you choose between Myles Murphy and Nolan Smith ?

  42. Sean says:

    I worry that Richardson might be similar to someone like Terrelle Pryor. Phenomenal athlete, just not a natural quarterback who can consistently put the ball where it needs to go to move the chains and win games.

  43. geoff u says:

    I hope Anderson and Carter are gone. We need a quarterback of the future and this is the best shot we’ll have to get one. I’m not opposed to trading up, if it’s the guy Schneider wants. Schneider clearly has an eye for quarterbacks.

    It’s still early though. Rob, outside these 2 DL and 4 QBs, are there any darkhorse candidates, if they test well or combine well, who could shoot up draftboards and land in the top 5? We seem to have a consensus on the current pool, but the draft doesn’t always shake out that way.

  44. Hawkster says:

    Anybody like Atlanta trade their first to chi for Fields? CHI starts over at QB, ATL just gets Fields or their #8.