I couldn’t decide whether to include a Frank Clark trade or not in this projection.
Poona Ford, Rasheem Green, Quinton Jefferson, Branden Jackson, Nazair Jones, Jacob Martin, Jamie Meder, Nate Orchard, Cassius Marsh, Jarran Reed.
That’s Seattle’s D-line without Frank Clark.
There’s a pass rush problem for the Seahawks if they trade Clark. A big problem.
And that’s why I still think that unless they get a fantastic offer he’ll play on the franchise tag (or sign a new contract) in 2019.
Even so — Michael Lombardi is the latest voice this week to say he’s hearing rumblings of a potential trade. We’ve been here before of course — with Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman. Will things be different this time?
It’s still hard to believe. Only a few weeks ago Pete Carroll was defiantly stating Clark would be a Seahawk. Nothing has really changed since then. The franchise tag was expected, Demarcus Lawrence and Trey Flowers getting paid big money was distinctly possible and the Seahawks would’ve hoped to get a deal done with Russell Wilson.
Even with a great D-line class this year it’s difficult to imagine Seattle’s average pass rush not taking a step backwards minus Clark.
For that reason I think any deal likely has to include second round compensation plus a swap of first round picks. The Seahawks need to be within range of the top pass rushers in this draft to move Clark and they need to be able to pad out their board.
I decided ultimately not to include a Clark trade. Here’s the mock in full with details below:
First round
#1 Arizona — Kyler Murray (QB, Oklahoma)
#2 San Francisco — Nick Bosa (DE, Ohio State)
#3 Green Bay (via NYJ) — Quinnen Williams (DT, Alabama)
#4 Oakland — Ed Oliver (DT, Houston)
#5 Tampa Bay — Devin White (LB, LSU)
#6 New York Giants — Josh Allen (EDGE, Kentucky)
#7 Jacksonville — T.J. Hockenson (TE, Iowa)
#8 Detroit — Rashan Gary (DE, Michigan)
#9 Washington (via BUF) — Drew Lock (QB, Missouri)
#10 Denver — Jonah Williams (T, Alabama)
#11 Cincinnati — Daniel Jones (QB, Duke)
#12 New York Jets (via GB) — Andre Dillard (T, Washington State)
#13 Miami — Dexter Lawrence (DT, Clemson)
#14 Atlanta — Montez Sweat (EDGE, Mississippi State)
#15 Buffalo (via WAS) — Christian Wilkins (DT, Clemson)
#16 Carolina — Devin Bush (LB, Michigan)
#17 New York Giants (via CLE) — Jawaan Taylor (T, Florida)
#18 Minnesota — Cody Ford (T, Oklahoma)
#19 Tennessee — Clelin Ferrell (DE, Clemson)
#20 Pittsburgh — Byron Murphy (CB, Washington)
#21 Kansas City (via SEA) — D.K. Metcalf (WR, Ole Miss)
#22 Baltimore — Erik McCoy (C, Texas A&M)
#23 Houston — Chris Lindstrom (G, Boston College)
#24 Oakland — Dwayne Haskins (QB, Ohio State)
#25 Philadelphia — Brian Burns (EDGE, Florida State)
#26 Indianapolis — Rock Ya-Sin (CB, Temple)
#27 Oakland (via DAL) — Greedy Williams (CB, LSU)
#28 LA Chargers — Noah Fant (TE, Iowa)
#29 Arizona (via SEA) — Marquise Brown (WR, Oklahoma)
#30 New York Jets (via GB) — Garrett Bradbury (C, NC State)
#31 LA Rams — Josh Jacobs (RB, Alabama)
#32 New England — Jeffery Simmons (DT, Mississippi State)
Second round
#33 Seattle (via ARI) — Terry McLaurin (WR, Ohio State)
#34 Indianapolis (via NYJ) — N’Keal Harry (WR, Arizona State)
#35 Oakland — Irv Smith Jr (TE, Alabama)
#36 San Francisco — Justin Layne (CB, Michigan State)
#37 New York Giants — Will Grier (QB, West Virginia)
#38 Jacksonville — L.J. Collier (DE, TCU)
#39 Tampa Bay — Lonnie Johnson (CB, Kentucky)
#40 Buffalo — Dawson Knox (TE, Ole Miss)
#41 Denver — Johnathan Abram (S, Mississippi State)
#42 Cincinnati — Kaleb McGary (T, Washington)
#43 Detroit — Juan Thornhill (S, Virginia)
#44 Green Bay — A.J. Brown (WR, Ole Miss)
#45 Atlanta — Dalton Risner (T, Kansas State)
#46 Buffalo (via WAS) — Parris Campbell (WR, Ohio State)
#47 Carolina — Darnell Savage (S, Maryland)
#48 Miami — Dru Samia (G, Oklahoma)
#49 Cleveland — Greg Little (T, Ole Miss)
#50 Minnesota — Jerry Tillery (DT, Notre Dame)
#51 Tennessee — Chauncey Gardner-Johnson (S, Florida)
#52 Pittsburgh — Deebo Samuel (WR, South Carolina)
#53 Philadelphia (via BAL) — Dre’Mont Jones (DT, Ohio State)
#54 Houston (via SEA) —
Tytus Howard (T, Alabama State)
#55 Houston — Isaiah Johnson (CB, Houston)
#56 New England (via CHI) — Kahale Warring (TE, San Diego State)
#57 Philadelphia — Marquise Blair (S, Utah)
#58 Dallas — Trysten Hill (DT, UCF)
#59 Indianapolis — Taylor Rapp (S, Washington)
#60 LA Chargers — Bobby Okereke (LB, Stanford)
#61 Kansas City — Joe Jackson (DE, Miami)
#62 New Orleans — Deandre Baker (CB, Georgia)
#63 Kansas City (via LAR) — Elgton Jenkins (C, Mississippi State)
#64 New England — Zach Allen (DE, Boston College)
The trades explained
Green Bay trades #12 & #30 to the Jets for #3
The Packers make a bold move to go up and get an elite talent from this draft (Quinnen Williams) to complete their defense. The Jets are reportedly desperate to move down.
Washington trades #15 & #46 to Buffalo for #9
The Redskins are going to spend the next two years paying a fortune to Alex Smith. They need to add a young quarterback. Rather than trade for Josh Rosen, they move up here to get Drew Lock.
Kansas City trades #29, #93 & #216 to Seattle for #21
The Chiefs have a big call to make on Tyreek Hill and might decide to jump ahead of Baltimore to ensure they get whoever is their preferred receiver in this class. D.K. Metcalf’s downfield speed would be a good fit with Patrick Mahomes.
Arizona trades #33 & #104 to Seattle for #29
The Cardinals trade in front of the Jets (who could be in the market for a weapon for Sam Darnold) to reunite Kyler Murray and Marquise Brown.
Thoughts on the Seahawks
A lot of the top defensive line talent is gone by the time the Seahawks are on the clock. Thus, they have to look at receiver and nickel. This isn’t a big problem considering the depth on the D-line and options available throughout this draft (plus in this projection they keep Frank Clark).
The Seahawks also invited Allen Bailey, Corey Liuget and Al Woods for a visit. They previously met with Nick Perry. This could be a market they tap into after the draft.
They’ve shown interest in N’Keal Harry and his 22% scoring rate on deep targets is an appealing statistic for this offense. However, this time I paired them with Terry McLaurin. He’ll have an immediate impact on special teams, he loves to block, he has a fantastic attitude and he performed exceptionally well at the Senior Bowl and combine. McLaurin has a first-rate personality and could be Doug Baldwin’s heir apparent. They already share an agent.
It’s difficult to judge McLaurin’s range. Many have him graded in the middle rounds. There’s also been talk of him going in round one. It’s pretty likely the Seahawks like McLaurin given his playing style and athletic profile but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll value him this early. That said — the player drafted at #20 will have a similar rating to the player drafted at #50 this year. It’s that type of class. You just have to pick your poison.
Urban Meyer had the following to say about McLaurin’s special teams value:
“Terry might have taken over the title as the best (gunner) I’ve had… It’s with great reverence I say that. You go back all the way to Brad Roby, to Devin Smith, to Denzel Ward, Gareon Conley. Terry is as good as there is.”
And here’s the view of an anonymous personnel man:
“He is like the anti-wide receiver… Zero diva. He understands special teams, and that’s how you get on the field. It’s just his whole mindset. Some guys say that and it’s bull—-. This kid really gets it.
“He’s sharp. He’s at a different level. He’s so far above most college players when it comes to how he presents himself. There’s no way you miss on this guy. I don’t know if he’ll ever be a Pro Bowler (at wide receiver) but he’s going to be a really dependable player for a long time. There’s no downside.”
One thing that’s interesting is the sheer number of defensive backs that are visiting the Seahawks. Justin Layne took an official-30 visit today (the final day for visits). Darnell Savage, Juan Thornhill, Corrion Ballard, Derrek Thomas and Sean Bunting also made a trip to Seattle and we know they met with Chauncey Gardner-Johnson.
The Seahawks don’t take defensive backs early but they do need more depth, competition and quality. It could mean nothing but it’s worth raising.
Seven round Seahawks projection
R2 (#33) — Terry McLaurin (WR, Ohio State)
R3 (#85) — Charles Omenihu (DE, Texas)
R3 (#93) — Marvell Tell (S, USC)
R4 (#104) — Armon Watts (DT, Arkansas)
R4 (#125) — Kaden Smith (TE, Stanford)
R5 (#160) — Greg Gaines (DT, Washington)
R6 (#216) — Derrek Thomas (CB, Baylor)
Notes on each pick
R2 (#33) — Terry McLaurin (WR, Ohio State)
Special teams dynamo, willing blocker, fantastic athlete, playmaker.
R3 (#85) — Charles Omenihu (DE, Texas)
He has the size and length to play base-end and his short shuttle (4.36) will appeal.
R3 (#93) — Marvell Tell (S, USC)
Fantastic agility testing and length makes him an appealing hybrid DB.
R4 (#104) — Armon Watts (DT, Arkansas)
Terrific length and power to anchor vs the run with plus pass-rushing upside.
R4 (#125) — Kaden Smith (TE, Stanford)
One of the few TE’s in this class to run a sub-7.10 three-cone.
R5 (#160) — Greg Gaines (DT, Washington)
The Seahawks are reportedly interested in Gaines.
R6 (#216) — Derrek Thomas (CB, Baylor)
A converted receiver, Thomas looked like a Seahawks corner at the combine.
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Awesome mock! I love having a WR for the first pick. I have to think they draft an olinemen at one point. Every year they have in pc/js but maybe not this year! We will see, thanks Rob!
McLaurin would be a classic Hawks pick and I would love it. The draft experts will say the Hawks took him to early and JS will say he would have taken him at 21.
He ticks every box they look for in a WR and prospect and I think he will have an impact day 1 if they go that route. If Doug really is considering retirement then he could very easily be the pick and it would be a good one!
I remember when they drafted Tyler Lockett Pete raved about that 4.3 speed. He likes those Wide outs who run super fast. Sign me up!
The closer we get to the draft the more I think our first pick will be a WR.
I love this Mock Rob! Great job as always. I happen to believe they’ll grab an OL at some point in this draft. If we know Seattle, and we do, it’s in their veins. But overall, I would take this mock Rob created and run!
Corey Liuget as part of the rotation? Yes please
I still believe they have a hand shake deal to sign Danny Shelton on or around May 10th.
If Tillery or DreMonte are on the board, as they are in this mock, I really hope we go DL. I like McLaurin and we have a big need at WR, but DL has more positional value. Also, Tillery is a beast.
Tillery is ‘meh’ to me.
Ticks a lot of physical boxes but hard to get excited about his fit in Seattle.
I love Mclaurin but something in my gut feels off about him being the first pick. I agree on the positions with the first 3 picks, but had a different priority order. Personally I would look at pass rush and nickel before receiver, especially with Collier, Hill, CGJ, Thornhill and Savage in range. Love the Smith pick up as well.
If i learned anything from the whole Russ saga it is that when the money is done and committed, it doesn’t really matter. Breaking down his deal it is fair, doesn’t cripple the team nearly as much as people thought and will age well compared to the trajectory of the positions future. Does Frank deserve to be paid Donald money? NO. But next to QB, EDGE is another position that will continue to escalate in price. Do the deal now and in 3 years it could be a drop in the bucket.
Great job as always Rob.
An little tidbit: On Ian Rappaport’s podcast he says most people think Frank Clark is a better player than Demarcus Lawrence.
https://omny.fm/shows/rap-sheet-friends/ep-33-draftapalooza-2019-dwayne-haskins-josh-jacob
(7:11- 7:30)
Most people are right. Frank is better.
I bet the Steelers get this guy after the AB problem.
If the Hawks draft McLaurin at #33, it is because they really like him, and are forced by market dynamics. We know, how these picks turn out.
He is #18 position player at NFL.com, and #16 at Walterfootball. Only Pauline has him as a Top 10 receiver. And here is the catch… he is pretty much a done deal with 5 years under his belly, while there are guys like Riley Ridley and Mecole Hardman having only three. And they have already cleaned up their catching technique, while McLaurin is a notorious body catcher, and his play is inconsistent at best.
So, I still don’t get it. We should pass.
I have a hard time seeing Seattle taking McLaurin as their first pick. I love him as a player and would be happy if we take him, but it seems like we have shown a tendency to go for upside with early picks. That hasn’t always worked out, but it makes some sense. For that reason, I feel like they are more likely to take a player with a high ceiling vs. a high floor. I think McLaurin has a great floor, very low bust rate, but his ceiling doesn’t feel high enough to warrant being taken so early. I think that also might be why some see him as a late day 2 guy.
N’Keal Harry seems like the more likely candidate if we go WR with our first selection – I know Rob mocked him to Seattle previously. He has some flaws, but his upside is tremendous.
Again, I personally won’t be mad if Seattle takes McLaurin, but my gut says otherwise. I do hope we tap into this receiver class though, there are a lot of guys I like. Any one of Harry, Campbell, McLaurin, Deebo, AJ Brown, Arcega-Whiteside, Hakeem Butler, Myles Boykin would be a solid addition (no part of me wants Metcalf or Riley Ridley, both of whom I believe to be extremely overrated)
McLaurin has an incredible ceiling IMO. Not many 6-0, 208lbs receivers capable of running a 4.35 with zero diva attitude, a complete desire to block and play special teams with a wise head on his shoulders.
Too many body catches & not enough production for my taste with McLaurin.
Still really like Harry. Harry doesn’t have the quickness I like but he has the mitts, the serious hops and can high point the ball with strong hands. plus, he was extremely productive.
Get Harry in the 30’s would be nice. We need a 6’2.5″ tough receiver with hands and hops.
Go Hawks!
I agree on McLaurin. It would be interesting to see McLaurin go before Parris Campbell.
For me, I prefer his teammate Paris Campbell. They’re both excellent players, but I think Paris is a bit more explosive and has more ceiling to reach because of his relative inexperience at the position. He isn’t going to be a gunner, but he could definitely return kicks. Omenihu has really grown on me. I think he’s a long-time starter with a shot to be a very good player.
The reason Hawks strike out so much with their 1st pick is because they always go for the home run.
I think Percy Harvin like elusiveness tips in Campbell’s favor, but I also doubt he will be available to us after trade down (I am pretty sure they will).
I’d be happy with either, nut Campbell’s inexperience at WR is not a plus for me. It takes receivers a bit longer to adapt to the NFL anyway, think how much farther he would have to go to become a player who runs the full route tree. Again, a solid talent, but you run the risk of getting only a gadget player, whereas McLaurin has some serious polish. With Doug potentially in flux I’d really love for Russ to have a very reliable, savvy WR to pair with, even given the extreme upside of Campbell.
Yes, that’s right, nut. I stand by what I said.
They both ran blazing 40’s, but Campbell actually looks like he’s playing at his 4.31 speed on the field and McLauren looks like hes more reserved when he chooses to use his speed, but he doesn’t look like he runs that fast. I don’t think anyone is game planning against McLauren. I think that the defense spends a significant amount of time identifying where Campbell lines up every play.
I remember how Percy Harvin put defenses on notice when we employed him for like, two games, but most of that I thought was fear of the unknown. They thought for sure something would happen, and so they often pressed the line of scrimmage.
That would be deadly to pair with Lockett’s potential to blow the top off; a real double-jeopardy.
And yet, is Campbell the type of receiver you keep on the field in two TE sets? I don’t know. McLaurin seems to be the more versatile player, the type to make crucial 3rd down catches that extend drives. I’m not sure when the chips are down I’d be as comfortable throwing a screen pass to Campbell as I would letting McLaurin run a route.
I love this mock and would do cartwheels if we get Mclaurin. He is going to be a stud in the NFL for someone. He seems like the perfect compliment to Lockett and a RW type of receiver.
Nice mock Rob.
A lot of the blog-favorite guys shown in the 2nd round could fall to 3rd or even 4th demonstrating the depth of the draft. If McLaurin is the target, then #33 feels safe. I could also see them rolling the dice to go back to the 40’s and grab more picks. He might still be there. If not, they could still be in range for one of the top Nickel or next tier DT.
Rookie WRs rarely have a big impact in year 1 (even top-10 guys), so getting a solid WR now seems imperative whether Doug retires this year or not.
I love the McLaurin pick. I’ve been a huge fan of his for a while now.
One thing that is surprising is the lack of respect he gets as an athlete. He’s a 95th percentile WR in sparq, and was 2nd in the nation in highschool in Nike’s sparq contest.
I think between his love for run blocking, excellent football IQ, and deep threat, plus his versatility as route runner (not world class but still great) I think he is the perfect fit for Seattle.
He didn’t have great production numbers at Ohio St, but that’s because of the balance of the offense and dominant run game they had.
The Urban Meyer offense is also awful for WR production in general.
Michael Thomas is an elite NFL receiver with New Orleans. I wrote articles saying he was a top-25 talent. He lasted until round two.
Thomas had two years as a starter in Urban Meyers offense:
54 rec — 799 yards — 9 touchdowns
56 rec — 781 yards — 9 touchdowns
Here’s McLaurin:
35 rec — 701 yards — 11 touchdowns
Its so odd that McLaurin only had 35 catches to Campbell’s 90.
That’s a huge disparity, but was Campbell cleaning up on screens and dump-offs?
Yep, nice point. This guy is more valuable than Campbell in many aspects, especially for how the hawks offense functions. His 40 time is only .04 seconds slower than Campbell’s anyway. You can also tell from his interviews that he’s going to continue to work his ass off and improve as a pro.
Against what teams? Highlights are… Oregon St, Tulane, Minnesota, Indiana, TCU, Maryland. Hot garbage.
Against premium teams, he got 5 meagre snaps, three of them vs Northwestern, one vs Michigan, another vs Huskies. This indicates, he was not a go-to guy to the pro-style coaches running the Buckeyes offense, but a target of opportunity, who goes under the radar.
If we can get a guy like Arcega-Whiteside on the same spot, who has consistently delivered contested catches against premium secondaries, I take the latter 7 days a week.
McLaurin is a 3rd or 4th rounder, blog darling or not. If the Hawks take him at #33, it’s because they really like him and somehow 6 or 7 WRs went in R1.
Right… now run through Michael Thomas’ production in Urban Meyer’s scheme. Let’s run over his two 700-yard seasons and call him an average mid-rounder too shall we?
You’re trying too hard to dismiss McLaurin. Sudden, gets open, superb speed and athleticism overall. Wasted, like every receiver, in a scheme that is effective for QB’s but does nothing for wide out production. You can’t use targets to form your opinion on him. See the Michael Thomas example again.
To criticize McLaurin’s ability to separate and then use Arcega-Whiteside as an example. Oh dear.
I’m really hoping we get a dynamic playmaker at WR and I was hoping I could get input from Rob and the group. Can you tell me the difference between McLaurin and Campbell from OSU? Which one do you think has the most upside and how would they be used differently for the Hawks?
Here is the write up from Walterfootball on McLaurin:
Terry McLaurin, WR, Ohio State
Height: 6-0. Weight: 208. Arm: 32.00. Hand: 9.13.
40 Time: 4.35. Three Cone: 7.01.
Bench: 18. Vertical: 37.5. Broad: 10-5.
Projected Round (2019): 3-5.
4/6/19: At the combine, McLaurin continued his strong postseason by running a fast 40 time and looking good in the field drills. He previously had an excellent week of practice at the Senior Bowl. He was quick to get separation while showing excellent hands and good route-running.
McLaurin is a chippy player who gets physical with defenders and plays with a gritty style. As a senior, he caught 35 passes for 701 yards and 11 touchdowns. His production would have been higher at most other schools, but at Ohio State, he was splitting targets with Parris Campbell and K.J. Hill. In 2017, McLaurin hauled in 29 catches for 436 yards. McLaurin could be a really nice No. 2 receiver in the NFL.
He has him rated as his #16 WR, but Campbell is #2 and Harry #7.
Here is the link to the list:
https://walterfootball.com/draft2019WR.php
According to this list, if Campbell is still on the board, it looks like we should take him instead of McLaurin. Or, based on Rob’s article, I’d love to have McLaurin, but maybe has our 3rd pick?
1. One of the Clemson DE’s to improve our pass rush
2. Nickel CB
3. Mclaurin
vs.
1. Campbell
2. Walker UGA or Tollier or other Edge
3. Nickel CB
Which do you like better?
Thanks for your input! I’m making sure I know who to root for next Thursday-Saturday when we are on the clock!
Go Hawks!!
McLaurin is naturally better at getting open. His release and ability to separate was on show at the Senior Bowl.
Campbell it’s difficult to judge because Meyer used him in the Percy Harvin role. Lot’s of screens and extended hand-offs. He might need some time to adjust to a NFL role. But you can get him on the field quickly if you’re creative.
Two outstanding athletes and it really depends what you’re looking for. I think in this mock I was looking for an heir apparent to Doug Baldwin. Campbell is more of a Percy.
McLaurin is more of a Doug Baldwin and Campbell is a Harvin/Lockett type of player.
If we want an another Doug we should probably go with Terry. If we want a player that pretty different to Doug and also Lockett it could be Campbell.
I feel like for Schotty/Pete McLaurin is the better choice. To guys like McVay or Nagy or other guys who use a lot of deception and different formations and screens and short passes, jet sweeps and stretch the field horizontally Campbell could be better.
Also, Campbell would make me more excited, but McLaurin would make me feel more safe
McLaurin looks like a hybrid to me. He could be a #1 and can take the top off a defense and has Tyler Lockett type speed. But he also has the release skills and cutting ability of a Doug Baldwin (just with a lot more top end speed). Plus he’s a very physical player who won’t shrivel when he gets to the NFL. I’d be very excited to get him.
I really really dislike Campbell. More so because I hate the Percy Harvin type WR in today’s NFL.
I hate it when the chatter is about “finding creative ways of getting him the ball” for any type of player in the NFL.
That’s *your* job as an NFL receiver, to get separation from you DB to get the ball, or make the contested catch! that’s a *requirement* for the position!
It’s like saying, this RB is elite, as long as the offensive line can open up huge holes for him every time. Or the QB is perfect, as long as he has a clean pocket and wide open WR. Today’s defensive schemes don’t allow for wide open players consistently. You have to be good at getting separation or making contested catches, or both.
This is more of a rant against that type of player than Campbell himself, but I don’t see him being a great option in today’s game, something we’ve seen over and over again with that type of player.
I’m not that enamored with Marvin Tell. I understand he may play safety or some other position in the secondary. My concerns are that he is not the greatest tackler out there, and safety is usually the last line of defense when big plays occur. The other concern is that I think the Seahawks should be looking for ball hawking interception machines (like Sherman). They want game changers – and an interception, or hard tackle and fumble will do that.
I don’t have an alternative. I like Burr Kirven for his tackling ability, but he played linebacker in college and is too light for that position in the pros. I’m pretty sure he would out tackle Tell any day of the week.
So, I’ll just say that I would take a pass on Tell, but if you wanted to take a flyer he is probably a 6-7th round pick.
You’re not finding ball-hawking interception machines in round three.
Tell in rounds 6-7 is a massive overreaction.
Rob, they found richard sherman in round 5.
Richard Sherman wasn’t a ball-hawking interception machine at Stanford.
That’s the point.
Sherman is an exception, not the norm. Not saying it’s impossible, but it’s difficult to predict exceptions.
Rob, did you you ever look into Stephen Denmark, CB, Valdosta State, 6’2”, 220 lbs, 4,46 forty with 1,48 10yd split, 43 ich vert and 10’10” broad.
On the little vid I saw he looks like a great press corner with obviously exceptional athleticism. He’s not under the radar anymore though, but maybe a possible early day 3 pick for PC.
I haven’t but that’s a cool name.
If there’s a player who isn’t a strong tackler, I couldn’t think of a better team for him to land on than Seattle.
Are you using sarcasm font? Just curious. If anyone could teach a player to tackle, it would be Pete Carroll. Which brings up the question = does Tell lead with his helmet or his shoulder?
No sarcasm! That was my point exactly. Haven’t seen enough of Tell to have my own opinion of his tackling form but whatever it is Pete would clean it right up
How about:
Juan Thornhill, Virginia 6-0, 200 (3)
With amazing ball skills – 13 interceptions and 26 broken up passes – and after stepping up with a huge 98 tackle season, he’s a fabulous all-around defensive back who’ll be a jack-of-all-trades for someone, if he doesn’t dominate as a free safety. There’s a whole lot to love here.
or:
Mike Edwards, Kentucky 5-11, 201 (5)
With 317 career tackles and 23 broken up passes with ten picks, Edwards was a highly productive leader and tough-guy tackler. He’s the type who could take over a secondary and make it his, and do anything needed at a variety of spots to find a home. The quickness is there to go along with the hitting ability.
Big fan of Jimmy Moreland out of JMU as a Coleman replacement. DPOY in the CAA conference, which includes Delaware-Nadir Adderley. Moreland put up big time career numbers: 12 tackles for loss, 2.0 sacks, 63 pass deflections, 18 interceptions, 6 pick-sixes, 6 blocked punts/kicks
Moreland shined In the Shrine game and got the call up in the Senior bowl and belonged there. His size is an issue,5’9″ 179 lbs, but the dog in him is not. His SPARQ rating reflects a middling athlete. This is misleading because of his sleight weight. 4.46 40. 39″vert. 10′ broad.
Moreland is a scrappy guy. He could play that slot cornerback position.
Pass on #160
I like the mock Rob. One player I really hope we come out of this draft with is the Huskies BBK. I think he would really make a special team’s dynamo starting out. I also like the TE out of LSU ( Moreau). Vastly underrated to me. He showed well at the Sr. Bowl with his heady play. Another good ST. guy.
17th April. I know you’re ahead of your time, but…
Oops…!
Great mock Rob. I am wondering if you have given any thought on Hakeem Butler as a possible option in round 2, or if you have a strong hunch that the Seahawks will look elsewhere to address receiver.
I’m not a big fan of Butler. Too many drops. Lean receiver and although he ran better than expected at the combine I’m wary of how he matches up at the next level. For me he’s a mid-round type. I’m just not that interested in him.
Love the mock. Would be cool to have one of the leagues best “gunners” to go with the leagues best punter.
Rob, what are your opinions on Amani Hooker and Nasir Adderley?
I really like Hooker. Underrated. Maybe a bit stiff due to his frame but like his overall speed, tenacity and coverage ability. Adderley I think got way too pumped up by some people in the media and it was unfair on him. Solid mid-rounder.
Do you like Tell over Adderley?
Different players really.
With this mock draft, do you think Hooker is still on the board when Tell? I feel like Tell is “risky” with pretty low floor and probably Tre Flowers ceiling, but his tackling stuff seems more attitude and frame rather than technique. I think Hooker is the complete opposite of Tell. Make that two player one and we’d have a really good nCB. Not a fan of Adderley either, but I feel his flaws might be easier to fix
Looks good Rob. I like that we’ve picked up 2 more weapons for our offense while taking advantage of the defensive strength of this draft with the rest of the picks. Our DL could be a real strength going forward.
I hate getting attached to players before the draft but…
I REALLY am liking the idea of McLaurin in a seahawks uni..
Rob “One thing that’s interesting is the sheer number of defensive backs that are visiting the Seahawks. Justin Layne took an official-30 visit today (the final day for visits). Darnell Savage, Juan Thornhill, Corrion Ballard, Derrek Thomas and Sean Bunting also made a trip to Seattle and we know they met with Chauncey Gardner-Johnson.”
It is very interesting. NB is a big need. All the interest appears genuine, but it feels a little over the top. Kind of like the interest in Isaiah Oliver heated up last year around this time. Smokescreen. Out of those 7 DBs listed 5 of them are likely top 75 picks. Meaning we would likely only have 1 shot at drafting them. CGJ would be my choice of the 5 FWIW. Tell is a good option in round 3. Hooker too. Mentioned above that I like Jimmy Moreland in early day 3 as a NB.
I find it perhaps more interesting that we haven’t had more visits with the DL class that JS said was the best hes ever seen. Gary and Simmons are the only 2 DL ive seen them have contact with-unless I’m missing someone. It could be that JS waits a bit and picks a nice trio like Rob’s projection, with Omenihu, Watts, Gaines. Id be OK with that. Love the Mclaurin pick BTW. Could be JS has his eye on a DL early. Its not likely, but Dexter Lawrence would be ideal.
I think we definitely need a defensive back name Layne. There’s something about that name I like.
Rumor-mill
Murray goes #1 to Cardinals, then the Giants trade their 2nd round pick (with Cardinals) for Rosen. I cold see this happening, but then what will the Giants do with ELI, trade him to the Redskins?
Rosen is garbage, to put it kindly.
I’m not sure on the WR specifically chosen, but I think a WR might be an early pick.
I think the only shocker, to me, would be the 1st pick being a QB and / or a CB.
I think every other position is pretty much on the table. DL, OL, WR, RB, TE….. except kicker 😉
Maybe you’ve already discussed this but help me out with Frank Clarke’s tweet, “They lied to me”? What do you all make of this?
He tweeted afterward that it was about “family stuff” and that people should let him respond before they go crazy.
Its nothing.
He clarified in the next couple tweets that it was about the family, not football
Would have been pretty easy to do your own research on that one, Dale
I really like McLaurin as a player, but the only reason why I think we won’t be a Seahawk is that there has not been a pre-draft visit, to the best of my knowledge. Has there been a draft yet where the Seahawks have not had pre-draft meetings with their first selection? Granted there is still a week to go, so there is always time, but as of now I’m going to keep my eye mostly on the visit list. Also bit disconcerting that Trysten Hill, one of my favorites, is not among those visits as well.
Also what type of draft day plans do you have Rob in terms of podcasting? It’s going to be extremely late in the UK of course, but are you planning on going live as the picks come in or do a wrap-up show at the end of each day? Either way, I’m sure it’s going to be an exhausting weekend, but an exciting one to be sure.
I’ve had some tentative talks with Brandan Schulz about doing some reaction podcasts at the end of R1 and possible day two.
I’m always open to podcast offers and won’t turn any down around draft time.
1. They very well may have met with McLaurin or even had him on a visit, and we simply haven’t found out about it. That happens with a ton of our picks: that we only find out about it in their conference call with Seattle media after being drafted.
If you want, you can check on visits in past years using this tracker:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J3d023YdKp9MFv7OQTy0YTssJ65qLd_aB0UJFGVHxPY/edit?usp=sharing
2. If there were EVER a prospect not to need to visit with, IMO it’s Terry McLaurin. Listen to what his coaches say about him. Look at what he did at the Senior Bowl. Listen to any interview of this guy, and I guarantee you will be blown away. That, plus his perfect fit for what we look for in our WRs, makes a visit completely unnecessary.
The Seahawks have drafted many players they didn’t invite in for a visit.
With their first pick though? I don’t recall.
Rashaad Penny didn’t visit the VMAC.
Neither did Bruce Irvin.
I like your thinking here. Those that have taken mild shots at McLaurin are being a bit narrow in their thinking, only looking at the WR role. His value is versatility, and with where it looks the available cap dollars could end up they need to load up with versatile guys to maximize the value of lower cost members of the squad.
I also think you’re correct to keep Clark out of any trade scenario this season. With all the promising prospects in this year’s draft there isn’t a team out there that will likely offer enough………the overall desperation level is too low with this draft potential. I’m sure that JS and company have some sort of formulation(s) for determining trade value. I am puzzled by what those are as by my belief they overvalue repeatedly what they have to trade, and in some instances, over value what they seek. They’ve hit on some, but they blew it on extracting decent/beneficial value on Sherm and Thomas. Harvin and Graham they “over paid”. The McDowell and Dissly losses were just football so those shouldn’t be counted as poor choices. I suspect they do/will overvalue Clark similar to Sherm and Thomas and miss fair market offers. A possible positive with holding Clark over on the tag to deal this time next year is that many of the D-line needy will have satisfied their wants from this year’s crop of draftees so there may not be quite as much bidding pressure on salaries next season. Not to say the price will go down, but the frenzy may be lessened enough to make hard case negotiating by Clark and his agent less effective thus allowing a reasonable deal to be made. It looks to be worth the wait anyway.
Here’s an interesting math-based projection of the quarterbacks in this crop, along with the same formula applied to recent quarterback groups. Kyler Murray is the only 2019 quarterback with theoretically a far greater chance to become a Pro Bowler than a bust. Haskins and Lock have good marks, above the cutoff threshold. The author notes that Will Grier is all over the place in the various analytical models. I have noted that myself. I have seldom seen such disagreement with numbers are the focus and not subjectivity.
https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/18287-projecting-the-careers-of-the-2019-quarterback-class/
BTW, the Football Outsiders SackSEER forecast had Brian Burns forecast as top edge rusher. Josh Allen was next. Montez Sweat is third with a comparison to Bruce Irvin. Bosa was fourth. The quote is not at this link but Football Outsiders was not impressed with Clelin Ferrell: “thoroughly average draft prospect who probably does not belong in the first two rounds.”
https://nfleague1.blogspot.com/2019/04/brian-burns-josh-allen-get-lot-of-love.html
After doing more research on receivers, I’m still at a loss for which one is the best. It seems that every website has a different order of their top 10 and even top 20 for that matter. I think the Seahawks could use a new impact WR in this draft and I’m wondering who I should root for, so here is the question for the board:
Which wr in this class makes the most sense for the Seahawks and why?
I’m still not sure, that’s why I ask the question, but at this point I think we need a big #1 type wr that we can put on the outside and who we can count on in the red zone, so I would choose Harry from ASU (I know Rob likes him also, but am wondering if he is Rob’s favorite wr for us?) Here is an article that calls him the most complete wr in the class. People are critical of his speed, but he looks fast on these clips.
https://www.ganggreennation.com/2019/2/26/17916888/2019-nfl-draft-prospect-nkeal-harry-wr-arizona-state
I’m anxious to hear everyone’s thoughts.
Go Hawks!
Hey, Coach. I put together something a couple weeks ago as I was taking an in-depth look at WRs myself. I find it my favorite position to scout.
My opinion on the main requirements for Seattle WRs:
1. Dependable hands, efficient target. (makes the most of the few targets he will get in a run-heavy team that spreads out it’s targets)
2. Minimum 4.4 speed (for our play action + explosive plays offensive scheme). Can’t teach speed.
3. Good good short-area agility and route runner who wins with separation.
4. Savvy to get open in the scramble drill (with RW, this is always a need).
5. Good college production. (also taking into account the scheme they played in and whether or not they shared targets or were the main man)
6. Willing blocker and ST player. Willing to do whatever it takes to help the team win. No divas.
Basically, guys like Tyler Lockett and Doug Baldwin are what we are looking for. They can come in different shapes and sizes, but should mirror the attitude and skill-sets of those two in many ways. Baldwin and Lockett are in the top 5 in NFL for passer rating when targeted. They also have very few drops.
For #1 and #2, I put together this chart with data from PFF to see who has speed, high catch rates (in general and on deep balls), and low drop rates. The green and red are cutoff points in each stat set arbitrarily by me to get a visual of who is hitting the right marks across the board:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pOIy__UekL0n8P6QZ4ja87cHRm9EWNtSFBfv5u34BGg/edit?usp=sharing
(To filter and sort the different columns, you need to go to “Data” > “Filter views” > “Create new temporary filter view”.)
#3 and #4 can be checked in Combine/Pro Day numbers for short-area agility and then just watching tape and seeing how they win.
#5 I check on sports-reference.com
#6 I watch some interviews and see if I notice them blocking on tape. Quotes from former coaches often help too.
Before I get to the specific names in this class I think fit the Hawks, I will just say that checking all these stats and numbers is just a double check. Watching them on tape is by far the most important. The numbers just confirm what you have already seen on tape or make you go back and watch more if something doesn’t quite add up. Don’t want to become a stat sheet scout!
That said, the four names I think best fit the Hawks in this draft are:
Tier 1:
1. Terry McLaurin
2. Gary Jennings
3. N’Keal Harry
Sleeper:
4. Jamal Custis
Terry McLaurin
– Checks literally every box you want, and we were already on to him just by the tape too. Perfect Seahawks WR
and personality fit.
– The only small negative is his age, as he will turn 24 before the draft.
– Notice he has by far the highest catch rate on deep balls and one of the highest overall.
– I believe he recorded the highest MPH of anyone in Senior Bowl week: his testing speed translates to the field.
– 701yds in 2018, but that was only on 35 catches (20ypc) and sharing targets with a bunch of other good WRs.
– 95% SPARQ among NFL WRs. Notable athletic comps on MockDraftable are Chris Godwin, Breshad Perriman, Cordarrelle Patterson, and Pierre Garcon.
Gary Jennings
– Also checks every box, although his drop rate is a bit high (among these WRs with low drop rates). From what I gather, these were mostly concentration drops (see Texas Tech game), so should be mostly correctable.
– Similar testing numbers to McLaurin, with slightly better size and length. 82.6% SPARQ.
– Also one of the fastest speeds on the field at Sr. Bowl week.
– Great passer ratings on both the deep ball and in the slot. Very efficient target. “I define myself as someone who’s dependable,” he said in a combine interview.
– A little more stiff and less polished as a route runner, wins more with speed, but big upside.
– His notable athletic comps on MockDraftable are Martavis Bryant, Amara Darboh, Chris Godwin, and Terry McLaurin.
– Fits well as a slot WR with deep speed to stretch the seam, which we lack a bit in our TEs.
– Back to back near 1,000 yd seasons, with 13 TDs in 2018.
N’Keal Harry
– I haven’t studied him in depth yet and have only read what Rob has written about him, but the fact that the Hawks brought him in for a visit and that he hits a lot of their marks in the chart is telling.
– Highest PR when targeted in the slot and 2nd highest on deep throws on our list.
– Does offer a bit bigger target, which could be a nice complement to our smaller WRs. The trade-off in speed is compensated by bigger size.
– Notable athletic comps are Cody Latimer, AJ Brown, Quincy Enunwa, Kevin White.
Jamal Custis
– I haven’t watched much of him either, but the PR numbers stand out.
– Racked up big yards against lower level teams is something to check out.
– A different profile at 6041, 214. A true “big WR”. More of a day 3, take a swing on him type prospect.
– Notable athletic comps are Hakeem Butler, Demaryius Thomas, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Josh Gordon.
I liked Deebo Samuel, Parris Campbell, Mecole Hardman and even Riley Ridley, but the numbers say they are just not great deep threats, and this matches with the tape. (Campbell did track the deep ball well in Combine drills fwiw, but it’s still just a projection at this point as he wasn’t targeted deep at Ohio St.). Doesn’t mean they are bad WRs, just that perhaps they don’t fit the Hawks as well.
Isabella’s PR in the slot is horrendous and his deep ball PR is sub-par, and he didn’t have a good showing at the Sr. Bowl. (though he did produce in the game itself)
I have thrown out Scotty Miller for a while now as a possible late-round deep threat. The PR on the deep ball is the worst of this group though, which is concerning if you are drafting him specifically for that role.
The other guys are there mainly for comparison, but many don’t hit the 4.4 mark or fail in other areas. Or there is not enough info (Keelan Doss).
Hope this helps and eager to get yours and others’ feedback.
Wow, that is great Sea Mode! Thank you!
Jennings was the other I was hoping for. I’ve also heard some people say Harmon from NCST is the best in this class and that he has the best hands in the class. What are your thoughts about him?
Overall, I’d be thrilled with trading down and getting:
1. Burns DE FSU
2. Thornhill Nickel UVA or the guy from Florida
3. Jennings WR WVU
Who are you rooting for if we go pass rusher, nickel, and wr?
Thanks for the reply!
Go Hawks!!
If we go DE, WR and NCB, then 100%:
1. McLaurin, Ohio St.
2. Walker, Georgia
3. Tell, USC
Those are three young men with a lot of athleticism, talent and great character to add to our program.
If we could pull that off, and also get Trysten Hill in R3, that would be amazing. If not, Michael Dogbe is a nice consolation prize in R5.
Harmon does have a low drop rate (4.7%), but his deep ball catch rate is only 37.1%, he ran a 4.60 40yd and his agility and explosion numbers are only average, putting him in just the 35.1% SPARQ. I haven’t watched much of him just because of that, but for best hands in the class, IMO he would have to compete with Riley Ridley and Hunter Renfrow.
Dude, this is exemplary work!!! What other website gets this kind of quality analysis in the comments section? Just fantastic.
Deebo has been my guy from this WR group for a little while now, but those deep ball stats do make me pause for thought. I wonder whether quality of passer plays a larger role in this than PFF accounts for (I assume they do for some degree but I don’t know their methodology). He is fantastic at getting seperation, including deep, as was on display at the Senior Bowl, but his game was largely built on RAC yardage in college, something id like the Seahawks to do more of but barely got any last year . All things to consider, no doubt they’d love Terry though, and I wouldn’t complain if they viewed him as an easier projection
I love Harry. I commented a few day’s back that I thought he was the best WO in CFB as a Freshman and I still believe he is today.
I also think we would have to take him @ 21 as I don’t think he would get past Balt. or KC. I could also see Arizona trading up for him. NE. also…
It is easy to get excited about picking a WR early. There are also ample reasons to justify such a pick (Baldwin surgeries, RW’s contract etc.).
However, when all is said done, the offense finished the year 6th in scoring and averaged over 30 points a game in the 2nd half of the season. They did it in-spite of injuries to Dissly, Baldwin and Dickson. The defense was a clear step behind.
PC has a clear philosophy – Run the ball and play tough defense. They have the running game set. How can they not invest their top pick to bolster the defense? (DL/S/NB)
The draft and the still-available freeagent class are deep with defensive prospects. Not so much with the WR class.
That’s just false.
I can only assume you mean the free agent WR class? Because this draft class is loaded with options for WR.
It seems like there isn’t really that obvious #1 or elite tier, but great depth. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if there are zero WRs taken in the top 20 and then upwards of 10 drafted between 20-60 (which kind of backs up what Rob has been saying).
I know there are some who don’t see WR as an obvious need with Seattle, especially with our offense, but I think PC/JS will tap into the talent that is going to be available in their draft range. No shortage of options. I for one would be very happy to Seattle get one of Harry, McLaurin, Campbell, Samuel, Jennings, Arcega-Whiteside of Boykin. I like AJ Brown and Hakeem Butler okay, but they don’t seem like Seahawk players. Butler is a bit overrated IMO. And there is zero part of me that wants Metcalf or Ridley, both of whom I believe will be busts. No opinion on Marquise Brown, but I doubt he is even on Seattle’s radar since they already have one of the best deep threats in the league in Lockett (yeah I said it!!)
Wow, Ed Oliver made that big of a jump? He was always around 10-15
I like this draft, I’d be pretty happy about it. But if they’d be able to I’m pretty sure the Hawks would try to trade down again here. McLaurin, Harry, Savage, Collier, Thornhill, Campbell, Samia, Tillery, Deebo, Dre’mont Jones, Trysten Hill, CGJ, Zach Allen are still on the board. They can easily move back 10 spots and guaranteed to pick a guy they like/interested in.
As of now, if they’d pick one of these guys with the first or second pick, I’d be pumped:
Campbell, McLaurin, Deebo, Thornhill, Savage, CGJ, Byron Murphy,
This guys a bit questionable for me, but I can see upside and would be hopeful they can shatter my questions and be their best selves:
N’Keal Harry (I just feel another big body mehh speed guy), Trysten Hill (character?), Jeffery Simmons (recovery?), Samia (need?)
I’d be pissed with these picks:
Metcalf, Jachai Polite
Not sure about these guys potential impact, so I’d be like “alright, hope these guys have good ceiling”:
Zach Allen, Tillery, Collier, Omenihu, Ximines
Other guys I’d like to be a Seahawks player (just later rounds):
Wesco, Ingold, Moreau, Greg Gaines
Love me some Wesco!!!!
Nice mock, Rob. If we could get D’Andre Walker instead of Omenihu I would love a draft like this.
Also, I might slide in Ingold in R5 instead of Gaines since we would have already gotten Watts.
Lastly, a name to check out for late-round CB project: Stephen Denmark, Valdosta State. Insane athlete, also a converted WR who only played last 2 years at CB. And had 3 INT and 9 PBU last season.
Unfortunately Denmark has some hype going on these days. I guess you cannot wait until late R5 and still get him.
There’s another “insane athlete” to be checked out though: Cole Holcomb, LB, UNC, 6’1”, 234 lbs, 4,48 forty, 39,5 VJ, 11’0′ BJ, 6,77 3-cone.
One week till Draft Day!
Strange way to spell “Avengers” but whatever, I can get behind it.
Time to break out some Kevin Costner.
I love how the Seahawks are the “bad guys” in that movie.
“You pancake-eating mother f*****r!”
Patriots would have been preferred for the role honestly
The one thing I was struck by in McLaurin’s highlights was how accurate Haskins is (other than the throw when McLaurin was 15 yards behind the defense, and I can understand that one. There’s nothing worse than having someone that wide open and overthrowing him – so instead, it was an underthrow that almost let the defense catch back up.) McLaurin also looked very good. He can beat defenders two ways; he can blow by them, or make ankle breaking cuts like Doug Baldwin.
If your draft happened, I think I’d be very happy.
Nice work on the mock draft Rob, it so refreshing after watching so many national mock draft seem to utterly miss what players are Seahawky type to have a more tuned in take. I don’t think after resigning Wilson there is such a pressing need to sign a big name Wr with the first pick, if it was a rookie QB they would have been in the right to get them as many threats as possible. I made up a draft working off nfl.coms 7 round mock with trades but instead went Dline first to see how it mixed up the rest of the picks. There proposed trades gave the hawks picks, 29-84-85-113-174-214-217, so I chose Simmons DT pick 29, you get a top ten talent available at the back end of the first you take it regardless of injury, 84 Anthony Nelson De plenty of size and athleticism for the (Bennet tole), 85 Miles Boykin Wr and his Randy Moss 2.0 speed and jumping ability plus a ridiculous three cone at 6’4”. Pick 174, Will Harris s/cb extremely athletic and tough as nails compared to Bradly Mcdougal as a pro reference. 214 Foster Morau Te good run blocker who may be capable of more receiving duties, and 217 just to finish a draft made entirely of sparked up super athletes Zedrick Woods s who has the athleticism and attitude to be a monster on special teams. I don’t get to see as much college ball as I’d like, so I’ll admit I build a board basically off PFF data and a board based on combine and combine the two lists to find what I think a players value is, so you’d never see a scenario from me that involved Polite, Sweat, or Gary going to the Hawks. Hope you enjoyed a bonus mock, and have fun and I’m not thin skinned if there’s anything in there that drives you crazy feel free to criticize:).
I really feel like McLaurin is a Seahawk. I keep saying it. If we can continue trading down into the 2nd round I think there’s a strong possibility.
After seeing the schedule yesterday, I’m even more pumped about this draft. Of course, it’s difficult to tell how teams will improve year to year, but like many, I think 11 wins is a reasonable expectation.
That said, getting to the Super Bowl is very hard as a wild card. They need to beat the Rams.
It got me thinking, does this draft help improve this team to beat the Rams? While I love the McLaurin pick as a Baldwin role, I think the Nickel talent is top priority (assuming Clarke returns).
If Hawks are successful training back to late 30’s, early 40’s, I think one of the Nickel prospects will be taken. They’ve met with nearly all of them showing this is absolutely a priority. Especially to stack the secondary against the Rams.
4 10 AM games, and week 12-15 is gonna be where their season is defined.
I’m surprised A.J. Brown doesn’t get talked about more here on THE blog. He has good size/speed and incredible hands. He can go deep, block and is pretty good in the middle of the field. Am I missing something?
Not a Seahawks fit IMO and Bob McGinn’s scouting sources kind of back that up:
Thanks for that Rob.
I’m feeling lucky…
2. Byron Murphy (or Juan Thornhill)
2. Terry McLaurin (or N’Keal Harry)
3. D’Andre Walker (or Christian Miller)
3. Daniel Wise (or Armon Watts)
4. Trevon Wesco (or Drew Sample)
5. Derrek Thomas (or Jamal Peters)
Glad to see Jonah Williams finally get some love.
Hilarious that his arms were too short for OT and than those same NFL draft media guys propped up Andre Dillard as the best OT with shorter arms. Almost like that was being overrated from the jump.
My problem with him is he is on the smaller side for an OT (6’4, 305, 33 5/8 inch arms) and he is a terrible athlete. 17th percentile athlete among NFL OL. (Including guards and centers). (Dillard both bigger and a 97% percentile athlete, BTW).
TEF wise, he had the second worst combine.
Guys who succeed with that athletic profile do so because they are huge. 35 inch arms, 350 lbs, etc.
Regardless of how technically refined he is, his physical talents are just not good.
Honest question: Doesn’t Dillard’s athleticism make up for his arm length? Thoughts?
It is fine to have average length when you are a superior athlete, When you are in the bottom quarter of NFL athletes and you have average length and below average size overall, it becomes a problem.
Is Devin White allowed to bring his horse into the green room?
absolutely.
Thinking about this draft, the one statistic that resonates with me is 4.9. The number of rushing yards per carry we gave up last year. That must stick in Pete Carroll’s craw.
For all the talk about adding a pass-rusher, I think the priority might be adding someone who stops the run.
There is a reason we have showed interest in Gregg Gaines despite him not meeting our physical requirements.
That’s why I was going to bring up Zach Allen from BC. One article I read said he was the best DE in playing the run with over 100 tackles. He seems like the perfect type of player to set the edge on run plays and also we can help him develop even more into a pass rush threat. We can get him in the second round. It worked for Red Bryant and it sounds like Zach Allen could do what he did with the run, yet perform better vs. the pass.
Thoughts?
Go Hawks!!
How do we have only 4 picks again? That has to be the lowest in the league. Oh that elusive 2nd rounder.
Uf…Pauline is sure Seahawks will try to trade Clark…if no in next week then defenetly on draft weekend…Jets are top candidate for trade after they trade back from 3 and accumulate multiple 2nd day picks…
CGJ has character red flags by Tony and he could slide…
Amd now, on 710 espn, Toni said Chiefs and Colts could trade for Frank…Clayton said odds for trade are thin…
Both could be true. i.e. we are trying to trade Clark for a top-10 pick, but the odds are thin we’ll find anyone to agree to that.
The team is always looking at ways that it can improve, but that doesn’t mean that a trade is going to happen.
My take is that there might be a trade being worked on to improve draft stock, but that it might not involve Frank Clark.
Looking at late round RBs and saw Khari Blassingame out of Vandy. 6’1, 233, 4.55 40, 1.51 10 yard split, 38 1/2 inch vert, 10’11 broad, 4.18 three cone, 6.94 SS. All excellent numbers outside the forty.
Scouting reports saw vision needs work but athletically there is a ton to like.
Rob, you are right on, as usual, and I agreed in an earlier post that a trade of Frank Clark does not balance out. My initial concern was that $20+M/year is too much to pay for a DE when you have a franchise QB at $35M/yr. But the analysis by the cap experts clearly shows that the Seahawks can re-sign Frank, Wagz and Jarran, and still be able to function. The Seahawks go into this draft with two major needs (a second DE to pair with Frank) and a WR; and two minor needs (a S and a Nickel). Trade Frank and use the pick to replace him, and you still need that second DE, and have all the others needs as well. At a minimum, have him play under the franchise tag and then figure it out next year.
I bet Frank would take a deal of 20m a year for 5 years with 65 mil guaranteed. In 2 years this deal would look like a good deal for us and we would have one of the best DE’s locked up basically for his career. I’m all in for signing Clark. We simply can’t afford to lose him.
Don’t forget TE.
If the board breaks like this, I hope that we’d trade down again. With AJ Brown and N’Keal Harry still on the board, I would think that McLaurin would last. He’s not a personal favorite WR, but if we take him that seems high.
Out of curiosity, did you mock the whole thing and just put the Hawks picks in, or did you use a guesstimate for who might be available at their future picks?
Some guys that aren’t on here that I’m wondering about (ie do you think they go between 64-85)
Devin Bush – UM (maybe forgot him?)
D’Andre Walker – UGA
Garrett Bradbury – NCSt
Jaylon Ferguson – La Tech
Adderly/Hooker – Safeties
Devin Bush and Garret Bradbury are both included. I think you must’ve missed their names.
D’Andre Walker just hasn’t been able to gain any momentum and might last, like another former Georgia pass rusher formerly with the Chiefs and now with the Colts, to round three.
Jaylon Ferguson had a poor pro-day and there’s been talk of him dropping to round three. I could see him in round two and his pressure percentage is very good but we’ll see. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility he drops to round three.
Adderley has always been a mid-round pick for me and it’s unfair how the media overhyped him. I really like Hooker but he’s a mid-round pick.
I build the mocks from pick #1 onwards but have ideas and talking points I want to create before writing them.
Thanks. Yes, I do see them now and just missed them before.
With the guys above possibly being available in the 3rd round or later as well as CGJ, Trysten Hill, Joe Jackson, etc… How far do you think the Hawks would be willing to trade down to make their first pick?
As a for-instance: We trade #21 to NE for #32 & #73. Then KC offers #61, #61 for #32.
If the board fell exactly as you’ve projected would you take that offer? Would the Hawks?
I know this is just conjecture, but am curious if you think there is a floor to where we would make our first pick.
Edit: 2nd round or later for CGJ, Hill and Jackson.
Love it only thing I’d change is the Seahawks taking Harry at #33 instead. I also love the Tell and Gaines picks. I feel like I’ll have ri take another look at the WR you chose over Harry. Think I’m a little ignorant since I havent seen as much about him. Either way love the trades and the mock. Good work.
Rob, I know I’m a bit late to the party here, but I really haven’t seen any emphasis on the TE’s. Earlier, after the combine, there was a lot a chatter about drafting any one of a number of them based on the superb depth. It feels like that should still hold true, but we’ve gotten away from the idea as of late.
In this latest mock, you’ve got Dawson Knox going #40 overall. I feel like he could be a good fit and I don’t see him going that high. Obviously, as you say, 20-50 is a crap shoot. But hypothetically, if he were to fall into the late 2nd/early third, do you see the team pulling the trigger on someone like that?
Regards
I think there’s a decent chance they will draft a TE at some point but at #40? With potentially their top pick? That’s too early.