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I got the feeling that Ursua never really was able to make the jump to the NFL and the additional role as a WR. I hope Cade is able to do that because he has the skills.
Our fan base is super guilty of falling in love with wrs, thinking they’re really good and they almost always end up being horrible and out of the league soonafter. Jazz Ferguson, Kasen Williams, John Ursua..
Good.
Man, that’s way longer than I thought he would get. Maybe it’s really a 3-4 year deal with low cap hits thereafter?
I’ve read it’s basically a 3 yr 55 mil deal
Crazy contract length. He’s HOW old?!?
Just nice to see an OJ behind the Bronco for a change.
Cha ching, you win the internet today Jordan
Lol
Aaron Donald said he would come back if the Rams brought Von and OBJ back. So…
“McKissic may change his mind again.” 😂
Cha, you should paste the whole presser recap in this thread. Great work.
Yes. That really was amazing.
Early thoughts on the PCJS presser.
I liked the presser, even though I didn’t like all the answers.
Liked flinty Pete. He reaffirmed his vision for Pete ball, thereby putting himself on notice that it better work. And he seemed quite energized to get back to that. Let’s hope it translates and we get to be bullies again. Reasonable minds will disagree when comparing Peteball/defense to Trendball/offense. But at least he delivered a clear message that they are committed to what they built back in the first place.
Liked renewed emphasis on young guys… finding ’em, playing ’em, etc.
Liked the overall re-affirmation of the need for players to buy-in. This is probably a bit unfair to paraphrase, but the idea that, “players come and go and if we can’t fit ’em in we’ll move along” sounded like the kind of clear leadership you need to run a football team. The difference between now and 2010, however, is back then we didn’t ‘move along’ from a HOF-trajectory QB and MLB. So now it’s really on PCJS to deliver like last time. Or else. They seemed kind of energized by this.
Liked their commitment to try Lock out and figure out what he’s got, as well as their commitment to keep shooting until they hit at QB.
Really liked JS owning the BW communication thing, even though I think the reality is more like what Rob described in an earlier thread and probably partly comms and partly hurt feelings w/ no agent buffer.
Didn’t love Pete’s insistence that they’re in it to win it right away. If that’s just rah-rah go get ’em talk, then fine. But if it leads them to repeat over-reaches for “one piece”, then not so much. So far, I like what they’ve done as far as signings. But it’s early.
Didn’t like their emphasizing Geno as much as they did. Seems like a good dude, but am not seeing him as a fix… even as a game manager. Am OK with this talking up their existing QB stable if the intent is de-emphasize the draft because there’s someone in there they really like. They said a few things and changed the subject a few times in a way that makes one think they might have their eye on someone.
Really didn’t like the idea of Kap coming back, especially through SEA (I may have misunderstood the SEA part though). Kap wasn’t that good when he stopped playing. Doubt he’s gotten better over the layoff.
Didn’t like any reference to “who started the divorce”, either from PCJS or from RW earlier. Nobody wins there. RW wanted what PCJS wouldn’t deliver, and PCJS wanted RW to operate in a way he wasn’t happy with. People grow apart…it happens. Move on.
Noted that some of the negotiating tactics between Seahawks & RW camp seemed to leave a pretty bad taste in JS’ craw. Like he wanted to comment on that a few times, but refrained.
Pleasantly surprised that the local media asked a bunch of decent, probing questions. Way more than usual. That was a nice change.
Yea, I’m ok with giving Drew Lock a shot, but if we bring in Kaep, that would make zero sense. You called it, he sucked when he last played and that was years ago. Ppl don’t get away from the NFL and come back better after years away, that does not happen.
Enjoyed this summary and agree with much of it. One thought being maybe Pete’s insistence on being competitive and winning is part of his ethos and program/style.
That’s true. And once posted, I thought, “but what else would you expect him to say.” Still, am hoping at the end he means to build mean, tough, nasty as quickly as that can be reassembled.
Nice name btw. 🙂
The interesting thing to me was that John said they wrote down Noah fants name in the 2019 draft. Traded back with Green Bay and then took collier. I have a feeling they wanted someone else at 2019 too. Really was a disaster of a first round.
I did find it pretty laughable that Pete gave themselves a pat on the back for “managing” to pull off a trade for Russ. As if he lacked suitors and it took some heroic effort on their part to get a real offer for him.
no trade clause did make it trickier
JS seemed to really want to answer that question toward the end, about whether or not the no-trade clause tied their hands. But he bit his tongue and said (essentially), “maybe I’ll get into that someday down the road or in a book.”
I didn’t take it that way.
As hard and screwed up as this whole thing was, getting a good haul knowing that Russ wants to leave AND he controls his destination, conducting the negotiations out of the eye of the ravenous press who knows there’s trouble brewing, meeting with Jody and getting her to sign off, knowing the impact on the fans and the area, AND remaining on at least somewhat friendly terms with Russ?
That took some doing.
+++
RW being able to 1) nix potential destinations AND 2) refuse a trade and thereby screwing up next season REALLY means Pete was correct in what he said.
I found John essentially over-ruling Pete at the end, who was ready to end the conference, to finish his answer on quarterbacks to be very interesting.
Because he made a deliberate point about potentially getting guys later on.
Yep. There were a bunch of little things like that where the general tenor of the press conference was a bit more edgy and gritty than usual. And better.
Maybe I’m reading too much into this, but it was almost as if there was a subtle power struggle going on between them.
That wasn’t the only time overexuberant Pete took over from John, who seemed to want to get some things off his chest about dealings with Russ and his agent. Pete openly declared he is in win-now mode and it’s easy to imagine him pushing to bring in an expensive veteran QB right away. Maybe that note at the end was John’s little way of pushing back with some patience and long-term vision?
Or maybe a more formalized change in how things are operating. John was more forceful. And the Coordinators seem to be more influential so far.
OTOH, JS looked pretty exhausted. Pete might have been just trying to make sure he didn’t blurt out an important tidbit… like drafting a QB?
Agree on all points. I was thinking that there may have indeed been a formal shift. Maybe Jody said Pete can stay but only if John gets final say on the roster.
And yes, John looked exhausted (which would be normal and expected for a GM after trading his franchise QB last week and then FA this week) and extremely focused and calculated with his words.
I hope so.
And John talked about having a whole bunch of picks and having a chance to build
It did seem as if JS was attempting to assert himself. I think there may be a bit of a power struggle post-meeting with Jody Allen.
Maybe your guy Coan in 4 or 5
I hope so.
And not because I think Coan is the second coming.
But simply because it means they haven’t overdrafted one of the others
Well Pete constantly said throughout how they just want a game manager that can get the ball to all their receivers. I’ll be optimistic and take everything said to mean no QB in round 1 & likely round 3 on.
I took encouragement from that too
Not because I want an average QB
I just don’t want an average QB drafted at #9
Bailey Zappe. Sign him up!
QB-Bailey Zappe; Zappe has steadily improved every year of his career in a prolific passing attack.
@ (FCS), Houston Baptist: (2018, 2019, 2020 seasons.)
750/1211/8466-YDS/61.93%/73-TD’S/29-INT/139.7-AVG QBR.
@ (FBS) W. Kentucky; (2021 season): Note: After he stepped up in competition to FBS.
476/687/5967-YDS/69.3%/62-TD’S/11-INT/167.5-QBR.
CAREER: 1226/1898/64.6%/14,433-yds/135-TD’S/40-INT/146.7-QBR.
One would think that a QB that holds the all-time NCAA record for passing TD’s & passing yards would & should garner a lot more respect, ** perhaps he just needs a “second chance” ** to show what he has? If nothing else, Zappe is a VERY experienced passer that is very smart & has excellent passing stats for any QB. Other than handing the ball off what else is expected from a QB than to be a good statistical passer? Or perhaps as a game manager in PC’s system? Well worth a mid-round pick even as just a B/U QB–IMO.
“Uchenna Nwosu was 16th in 2021 in ESPN’s pass rush win rate as an edge defender, right between new teammate Darrell Taylor at 15 and old teammate Joey Bosa at 17. ” from Brady Henderson on Twitter
What’s not to like about this signing? At 25, seems promising. What’s nice is that all the Charger fans commenting to the Rapoport tweet were pretty uniform in saying he was a good player on the way up, who played hard. The kind you both miss and wish well.
Better fit for us age-wise than Jones or Miller. I’m hoping, like some others on here, that we’re seeing some evidence of the new defensive coaches having some influence this year.
I think it is a solid signing, but it is a win now signing. If he continues to improve, Seattle will be back at the table with him right at the time the roster could be coming into contention again.
I have no issue with the signing except, coupled with the press conference today, it is abundantly clear that Seattle is not rebuilding.
I believe this is a mistake. I believe they should be making moves for 2 years down the line.
Complement him with a game wrecker at #9 and the defense will be fun to watch even as they are losing games.
He’s entering his age 25 season.
The possibility definitely exists that he can be playing his best ball around the same time as the Seahawks next window for contention.
SEA typically entertains extending guys with a year left on their contract. And come 2023 they’ll have $120m+ cap space and $40m dead cap coming off their books. So if he earns an extension, doesn’t seem like it would be a problem.
true – but we should still have cap room then – and at 27, if he proves to be good – he’s still plenty young to contribute to the new future version of the Hawks we’re hoping for. I didn’t watch the presser, but as we’ve remarked here, Carroll is probably the last guy to openly admit to a rebuild – most of the actions so far this off-season seem to indicate it’s at least a full re-set.
Having a few decent players is important though. Nwosu doesn’t stop us from signing anyone big next year. He’s a draft hedge, character guy, young, and keeps the rookies from having to be stars at the start. Same as any of the other signings. Guys who can be off the book next year, just aren’t anything to worry about.
Pete was never gonna say we are “rebuilding”. John probably does all the time. It’s one of the reasons John needs to be more in charge. Pete is the emotion of the organization and giving him separation is honestly pretty important. See this press conference with Pete not wanting to let Bobby go. I don’t for a second think that was lip service.
The team will be worse this year. But Pete’s still gonna work his ass of to win. Which is the absolutely correct route to take for team building. Don’t be the damn dolphins. It’s a tricky tightrope, but if anyone is drinking his own koolaid it’s Pete.
I’d give them even odds to be better than last year. They were really not good.
Worse this year compared to the counterfactual of a healthy RW bailing them out? Sure.
I’d agree there, I mean the median talent hopefully is trending up, but the record probably won’t be.
Apologies to all for not being clearer. I would have preferred a longer term contract with outs.
I am a huge proponent of creating roster value. I believe this was a missed opportunity. Seattle can always pay market value for free agents, assuming those players will sign with Seattle.
The reason this signing is positive is because he is young, still improving, but his market is still relatively low.
Going back to the table with him after he has reached his potential, regardless of Seattle’s ability to pay his market price at that time, still means surrendering roster value, whereas signing him to a long term deal now with outs, if possible (I admit that maybe the player/agent would not agree but I feel that this is how Seattle does business, not how players dictate business), would create a situation where if the player does break out, Seattle has him at a reduced rate.
If the player doesn’t pan out, Seattle has outs and is in the same situation as they are with a shorter, prove-it, contract.
I love the signing and as rob said in his podcast, getting a big time pass rusher at 9 will give us depth most teams dream about. Just thinking about Robinson being are 5th best pass rusher is something we have all been dreaming about
In a long Press Conference, I thought one of the most interesting points made, was right at the very end when JS said
“you never know where you’re going to acquire these guys, all the way through, the Russell Wilson, the Tom Brady’s you have to look at the totality of the class”
Perhaps this an indication that they won’t be looking to take a QB with their first pick in the draft?
Hopefully so. Or a BIG FAT smokescreen.
It takes me so long to write in my takes, and I had to go back over the quote at the end of the presser just to see I’d got it right, that I see Rob got the same point in just before me! Darn.
I hope that is what he was saying
Malik Willis FTW to squander the only premium piece Seattle got in the Wilson trade.
FTW was meant to be stricken out. When is the rebuild happening?
Thanks for getting the pod on spotify Rob. Means I can listen on the move, which is how I like to do my pods. Good review coming your way.
Seriously! It’s a really helpful switch, fighting with youtube on my phone is less than stellar. Really appreciate you getting it on there.
And I appreciate you staying on Youtube as it works best for me. Different strokes and all that. 🙂
Ditto!
Absolutely the best thing that happened. Listening at work is is by far the best for me. I love the longer talks but am hard pressed for time at home and being able Listening on the move at work means I won’t miss a single one now.
How is our new center?
https://seahawksdraftblog.com/some-thoughts-on-the-quarterback-situation#comment-615373
Benson Mayowa released
I’m liking the Desai effect so far.
agree
Clap! Clap! Clap!
Registered a single sack all of last season.
Not worth the money
In retrospect, was he an ‘arrogant’ signing? 🙄🤮
A decent rotational piece that they overpaid thinking he could be more because they were desperate and had left themselves with no other choice.
Arrogant, Overpaid, desperate, boxed into a corner, delusional…
These are qualities that make me very nervous about the draft.
I’m curious how Dunlap works in the defense. Maybe even more of a rotation guy now.
One of the best arguments for getting another good edge rusher is that you could make Dunlap (who’s not getting any younger) a rotational guy and extend his effectiveness some. We used to do that a lot back in the day.
I think it allows Desai to be mad scientist and concoct all kinds of stunts and schemes.
The more options the more creative he can be. Particularly on first and second downs, because you’ve drafted Stud Rookie Pass Rusher and only bring him in on third down passing situations.
Cha, I’ve noticed that a lot of people (not just you) are talking about Desai and not Hurtt when it comes to our new D scheme. Do you believe that also? Seems Clint is being pushed aside and I’m not sure that is really the case. I want to give Clint a chance to shine on his own with the correct people around him. They all came from Fangio after all.
For me it’s probably tagging Hurtt with Norton Fatigue combined with the creativity I saw in Desai’s defense in Chicago, especially when I did my watch points research. Probably unfair.
I witnessed more creativity in a 3 min clip compilation than an entire season of Norton/Hurtt in 2021.
Hurtt has said a lot of very correct and encouraging things. DL’s won’t drop in coverage, they need a game wrecker, pass rush is critical, they need to actually use Adams more.
But watching Desai figure out ways to get Khalil Mack and/or Robert Quinn isolated on a tight end or a running back….that’s the defensive equivalent of the McVay/Shanahan head-slapper…’how does Cooper Kupp / George Kittle get so wide open???’
Desai also did more with less. He helped Quinn have a career year with Mack and Hicks hurt quite a bit.
I like this! Prepping for drafting a stud DE 😁
Hope so
I’m super excited by the connection JJ (Jermaine Johnson) revealed it seemed he had with Pete. More importantly in this case, because it sounds like there’s a really good chance the interest may be mutual.
A couple of things have given me hope that an impact EDGE player will be there at #9:
It looks like Malik Willis is now the favorite to go #2 overall, according to Vegas. Hopefully they take him. Good situation for him to sit behind Goff and learn, and it would remove the temptation for us to take him.
The Falcons haven’t signed any WRs yet, so they might be targeting Wilson there at #8. If they for Watson, then the Texans aren’t likely to take two EDGEs with 3 & 8, so that leaves one for us. I am rooting for them to make that trade.
I’m actually buying into the Mike Florio talk about Baker going to the Lions. Seems like a personality fit to me. Devil is in the details of course, but it is intriguing.
I could see the personality fit, but wouldn’t it go against what the Lions are trying to do? I feel like they are in year 2 of a 3 year rebuild, and going with a vet like Mayfield to compete with a vet like Goff seems odd (unless they include Goff in the deal, but even then it would still make sense for them to draft a QB). If they land a top 3 pick again next year, they will be ready to at least compete for a playoff spot if they continue to draft well.
I was actually thinking they could cut Goff loose and see if they could get something, anything for him from a team with no QB options. Offset the cost of Goff this year with Baker’s $18M+ hit, let it offset and then you’re done with Goff, have your potential long-term QB (I probably think Baker has more upside than most folks do) and off you go. In 2 years you’re set to seriously compete.
Are we really transitioning to a 3-4 defense?
If so, Jordan Davis would seemingly make one hell of a NT. In that alignment he could be a 3 down player with the DEs & OLBs as our primary pass rushers. Throw in a sprinkle of ‘disguised’ blitzes from Adams.
Having actual draft picks is fun for a change.
I continue to dream of a way we get both Jermaine and Jordan, obviously only one way that happens, but still dream.
Leaves 40 and 41 to be BPA for a linebacker, corner, 3 tech, OT, C, WR etc.
What an arms race for the top contenders so far. Even if they’re up against the cap still gettin the signings done. Copycat league sees the Rams go all in for the ring and now they’re all pushing the envelope this off season. The upcoming season may be the first in a while where some of the parity goes by the wayside and theres more haves and have nots record wise.
I could see that too. Good point
Hey Rob,
As always, your work has been great. Thank you.
I’m curious to hear what you think about the effect a potential Deshaun Watson trade could have on Seattle’s first pick. 2 of the teams still in the running (ATL & CAR) pick before us in the draft. If they land Watson, you’d think that the top 10 pick would have to be included. This would give Houston two picks in the top 10, could they be the Malik Willis landing spot? Also, the Falcons at #8 are one of the teams that would likely target one of the edge players we would be looking at. Hopefully, that would mean a slightly better chance that we could land a game wrecker at #9.
Would be curious to hear your thought.
I think Houston will roll with Davis Mills this year (and rightly so)
My guess would be CB and DE with their two high picks.
Thanks for your reply.
I was just trying to find ways that Johnson will still be available at 9. I’ve become really excited at the prospect of landing him.
Well, this is something to just keep in the memory bank — courtesy of the legendary Tony Pauline:
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-pro-day-news-and-rumors-chargers-dont-hide-their-interest-in-jordan-davis-at-georgias-pro-day/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nfl-pro-day-news-and-rumors-chargers-dont-hide-their-interest-in-jordan-davis-at-georgias-pro-day
Also says the Chargers love Davis and might try to trade up for him
Obviously different front offices and team needs (hello Mack and Bosa) but interesting to see the same system as ours covet Davis.
I’d be interested to know what they’d give up. They don’t have a R2. Would they go from #17 to #9 for a third and their first next year? They don’t have a lot of holes.
Problem is that #17 range is no-man’s land in this class. An area where you miss out on a lot of good players in the top-12 and the value difference between #17 and #35 is minimal.
Davis is a physical freak but it’s just hard to get behind drafting a player at a non-premium position. I can’t rate nose tackle as a defining position when the pass rush is crap.
I’ll do a non-DE, non-QB at #9 article soon
Evan Neal, if he somehow lasted. Or Trevor Penning, though I think #9 is a bit rich for him. But I could see it. Stingley or Gardner? I mean, they’ve never taken a CB that early.
They want their Bamf at NT. That’s where it starts for a 3 4 defense.
The Chargers? Sure
Calling a defensive lineman a luxury pick feels weird, but that’s what it would be to some degree.
If they think they would be able to use him more as a pass rusher, perhaps. But as a pure 2 gapping nose tackle. Meh.
Excited to hear more ideas! Now that I’m finally getting into watching games excited to start forming some better opinions.
I watch a lot of Chargers football. It is their biggest need. They middle of their line was terrible against the run. That team is super close. Stop the run and they could win it all.
Oh sorry! Was referring to the Hawks there.
Seems like a great fit for the chargers defense. They are gonna be one to be reckoned with, at least if they finally dodge the injury bug.
I saw some of the footage. Wyatt is just so impressive how agile he is. I can’t help but think of him as Carroll’s long-sought prototypical 3T.
That GA defense, from Davis to Wyatt, from the Walkers to Tindall to Cine. My oh my.
Wyatt is quality.
But the short arms are a thing that Carroll has avoided like the plague.
Yeah I forget about that. He’s so impressive otherwise. And I could see Carroll taking his 3T that early if he thought a prospect was the guy. But not a 1T regardless of how good he is. Not Carroll.
Georgia also has DT Jalen Carter who will probably be a top-10 pick next year if he declares for the 2023 draft.
I thought Quay Walkers pro day times helped him too.
Rob: Just an absolute TON of information.
I’ve been reading here and on other websites discussing the Seahawks drafting Malik Willis. There seems to be a lot of differing opinions about him. Great physical abilities but questionable decisions making and concerns about abilities to make reads, check downs, etc. Are there thoughts out there that he comps similar to Lamar Jackson? If yes, I wouldn’t hate seeing the Hawks select him at #9. This is a qb league and you need to be aggressive finding a qb.
I haven’t done anything but watch youtube highlights, but Willis scares me. Lamar Jackson is probably either the best or second best running QB ever, and I don’t think Willis is that. And Lamar might have a stronger arm than Willis.
So is Willis Lamar, or is he more Tyrod Taylor? Another guy who is a very good runner but not elite, good arm but not elite, doesn’t use the middle of the field at all, takes off from the pocket early, etc.
You got Lamar, you got a star. You got Taylor, you just wasted #9.
I rewatched the conference and came away pleased.
John is back in his element- he has picks, early picks. He seems confident in stacking valuable signings and bringing in outside coaches. He just seemed more ‘in command’.
Pete rambled on about second chances and culture. He has prepared points he wants to make and gets them in there, but is hard to track. I do wonder if/when we’ll start to see his age catch up to him cognitively. He did sound a little more tempered in his enthusiasm rebuilding. I got a sense he would have preferred to keep Russ somehow.
The media (don’t know who asked) wasn’t afforded a whole lot of time with Pete going on, but they pressed well for clear answers. They didn’t go for the jugular, but at least showed some teeth and weren’t bullied by PC per usual.
I really, really would have liked for Pete to say “I need a second chance too after the year I had last year.” Every week during the season he said he needed to do a better job to get his guys ready. Every week he fell on the sword for not making good decisions or guys making dumb plays. Every week he said he wasn’t helping Russ enough.
I loved the answer on arrogance at the combine but it would’ve been perfect if he’d folded himself into his little speech. A not-so-silent admission that last year was a train wreck and a full confessing that he was complicit in it.
He actually did say that he and Schneider in their professional careers had been the beneficiaries of second chances…
I’m aware. But Pete’s been fired twice as an NFL head coach.
So Schneider is running the show now? In the presser it said “EVP/GM John Schneider and HC Pete Carroll”?
PC also mentioned something about Allen getting them back in their own lanes.
Here’s a little thought experiment I did using the PFN simulator and the 2022 DrafTek trade value chart if the player we want is not there at #9
Seahawks:
#9=1350
#40= 500
#41= 490
Jaguars:
#33=580
#65=265
#70=240
#106=82
Total = 1167
In the simulator the Jacksonville declined this deal for the #9, so I omitted #33 and asked for next year’s first round draft pick, with the idea of using it to move up to get a quarterback. Jaguars took Aidan Hutchinson and Trevor Penning. Seahawks got to pick at 33, 40,41, 65, 70,72,106, 109…etc.
Six players in the top 90 in this draft? Yes, I will take that please. Having 33, 40 and 41 makes a lot of ;your choices easier.
Just a thought experiment.
Definitely not a trade I would make. If you can’t get a better offer you should just pick the Top player on you board
Sure.
I am bounded by the parameters of the simulator and am not a professional negotiator. But PC/JS are good at trading down and getting a lot of picks.
Again, just a thought experiment with an imperfect simulator.
I ran the simulation again and got this crazy result.
SEA 40. Boye Mafe
EDGE Minnesota
SEA 41. Channing Tindall
LB Georgia
SEA 65.Abraham Lucas
OT Washington State
SEA 70. Alec Lindstrom
OC Boston College
SEA 72. Greg Dulcich
TE UCLA
SEA 106. Cameron Jurgens
OC Nebraska
SEA 109. Jalyn Armour-Davis
CB Alabama
SEA 152.Dameon Pierce
RB Florida
SEA 153.Kevin Austin
WR Notre Dame
SEA 229. Percy Butler
S Louisiana
For example if Pittsburgh fell in love with a QB & wanted our #9 pick
You could likely get picks 20, 52, & 84.
Here’s a link to the trade value chart. Hope it helps.
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=Car
Plus if you want even more realistic, try to draft player in the round Frob projected them on his Bigboard.
Atleast keep them within 1 round. So if it’s guy ranked 3rd round try to get him in the 3rd. Or 1 round lower. Within reason ofcourse.
I think you’ll find it more enjoyable.
Lol. Rob not frob
The simulators have been entertaining to say the least.
It’d be hard to stomach dropping that far even for a future 1st. Feels like we still need to add at least one blue chip player. There’s also not a ton of teams looking a QB between 10-20, and I’d be suprised if a team needed to jump all the way to 9, ala the Pittsburgh suggestion. It’ll be interesting. Thinking more perhaps I would rather end up at 33 than 21 considering the talent pool and trade compensation.
Great stuff, Rob . I don’t do Apple, but I found the pod on Pocket Casts and subscribed. This is shaping up to be a fun draft season!
The Seahawks deserves all of the criticism over the many years. The fact is Russ is gone and we’re moving on. I have been confused about the moves early in the off-season. I feel like many they should just re-do the team and build the ship up again. However, I will give them a rose today when I’m looking at the roster overall. QB is still a gaping hole and we still don’t know the plan is here. Let’s look at the roster.
QB?
RB: I’m still expecting Penny back. The fact no team is signing him on the first day is good news. Homer/Dallas are back.
WR: The top 2 are great. Depth is decent.
TE: 3 TE on the roster.
LT: ?
G: We still have our roster
C: We have our hedge
RT: ? I’m assuming we are signing one here
Assuming we are changing to a 3-4 look.
Edge: Taylor/Nwosu – Dunlap as your rushing specialist
DE (3T/5T): Harris/Ford
NT: Woods
LBs: Brooks/Barton
CBs: Jones/Burns/Brown
FS: Diggs
SS: Adams
Here is why I will give them a rose. They have put themselves in a position to truly draft the best player available. Do they have great players at every position. No. Do they have a long way to go? Yes. I’m simply saying they don’t need to force a move or need. They don’t need to reach for a player and wind up with Collier or Ifedi…
They can target an OT at #9 and that’s fine. They can get themselves another edge and that’s more than fine. They can get a CB and I won’t be mad. If Hamilton drops, they can do that.
In the 2nd, if Kenneth Walker is there then take him. They truly can do that. They can take the best Center or Guard. They can take a LB and that’s great.
Again, the overall roster doesn’t look ugly. It’s not anything great. We’ll still need a QB to do anything though. Just my thoughts.
With all of this said, I’m afraid that have also put themselves in a position to take a QB at #9….
If that QB turns out to be a franchise guy, I’m going to be happy – not mad. I think it’s worthless building up a good team without a clue who your QB is going to be.
Because if you build up that good team, if you get the wrong QB – then you’ve wasted everything you’ve done. If you get the wrong guy, you’re still going to suck and know you suck so you’ll continue to try to find the right guy, imo.
If they know the QBs suck this year, then I hope they don’t make their pick at 9. I hope they trade down a bunch of times actually and not even get many picks back for this year. Build up for ’22 even more and get picks, high picks, for 2023.
If you’re going to suck, embrace it. Set yourself up with an unfair advantage. Would anyone be mad if the Seahawks turned #9 this year into a mid-2nd round pick this year but had a 2023 draft like:
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That’d be coming off a draft next year where we already have an extra 1, 2, and 5. That’s how you get good, not all these mediocre FA signings who are overpaid.
I think you need foundational pieces though. And you need stars.
I wouldn’t want to pass on a blue chip player who sets the franchise on a path in the way, say, Earl Thomas did by trading down for stock in a future draft. Especially when this class is what I’d call a building block, foundational draft
And I would argue Earl Thomas would have meant nothing in terms of winning a Super Bowl if the Seahawks would have drafted a Rick Mirer, Dan McGwire, or Kelly Stouffer instead of striking gold with Wilson. Guys like Cortez Kennedy, Kenny Easley, Jacob Green, Steve Largent all had wasted careers because of what they had to play QB with (if winning the Super Bowl is the ultimate goal).
If you accumulate lots of future high draft picks, that assures you’ll get those pieces. I think lots of high picks in future years are better than not as many now. I know most people don’t feel that way, but that’s because we live in an instant gratification society I guess.
Sorry Bob, I can’t agree here.
The key shouldn’t just be adding a load of picks. If a quality player is there at #9 you have to be ready to add talent. Talent will take this team forward, not quantity of picks, quantity of lottery tickets.
I remember when Sherman left and was talking about the message getting stale from Pete. He mentioned it works but would need to be ran like a college team by rotating the roster every 4 years. This may very well be the case. I also think the it can done faster then the first time. The roster was way worse when he got and they signed like 300+ players the first year constantly turning the roster. Obviously we won’t have the draft classes like those first years but the roster is way better now then when he got here. I like what they have done so far with the only wtf moment being dissley’s contract. I’m glad he’s on the team but come on.
They somehow give millions more to Dissly than a quality starting CB. Personally, I’m at the “f-it” stage where I’d carry almost everything over to the future and assemble future draft picks. If you’re not competing for the Super Bowl, what’s even the point?
Just signed up to follow The Rebuild podcast on Spotify, and listened to today’s episode and the interview with Chindal. Looking forward to more great content!
It was a much better listen than Pete Carroll’s presser today, which I had to shut off – all the platitudes simply rang hollow, although I continue to hope for the best.
JS indicated he had Noah Fant’s name was on the card in the 2019 draft. I looked back and it appears the broncos jumped in front of the Seahawks to make that pick. The Seahawks traded back and eventually took LJ collier.
Denver traded down with Pittsburgh so they didn’t jump in front of Seattle, but the Seahawks probably didn’t anticipate what would happen if they moved down.
I think they were completely caught off guard when Gary, Burns, Fant were all gone by 21.
I have always thought Burns and Gary were the targets and now Fant. Guess it helps explain the reach for Collier but still not excuse the pick.
Hold up. I love the disection of thst draft like we’re watching the zapruder film. Is it just me though but shouldn’t we be a bit concerned that with this offense they even might have has Fant, a TE, as a first round pick for this team?
Collier sucks but man alive when has this team been so put together you can justify a TE at that range?
Today’s press conference was all about “second chances”. Sadly, I think the whole aim of the press conference was to get Deshaun Watson’s attention. Watson might have notified Seattle he wasn’t interested because of the state of their offensive line and they’re trying to woo him back. All of a sudden they signed a center and lined up a visit tomorrow with a top tackle.
Part of me wondered why they did that whole speech at the start about second chances
My initial reaction was Deshaun Watson
I also think it’s mostly to justify Quantity over Quality.
Most Quality players aren’t looking for 2nd chances.
They also used it to Justify the Adams trsde a bit.
It’s also getting players out of a bad situation like Jamal.
However, if they felt the were truly giving him a 2nd chance; it would seem he should’ve been viewed as a distressed asset.
Instead we overpaid.
Alot of what the said maid little sense.
Like when asked about Wagner. We dont talk about contracts.
Then have 0 problem saying they didn’t feel Russ would sign an extension.
That’s contract talk.
Still I believe it’s more of an excuse for their Quantity for competition approach.
Oh c’mon Scot, it’s all 🌞🌈 in Seahawk land. They gave poor, sad Jamal a “second chance”…………..nm it was also a first chance to basically steal 40 mil or so of Seattle’s money
Yeah Pete lost his point when he started talking about 5 star recruit, top 10 pick, traded for loads and paid a fortune ‘getting a second chance’.
His second chance should be a shot now at making this trade not an utter disaster
Considering the state of his shoulders and what we’ve seen of his play over 2 seasons Rob, chances of that are slim to none. Hope he proves me wrong though of course.
😱
It’s like a game to them.
Why do Saints, Rams, etc. do this but the Hawks never do? Serious question. Someone please clue me on this.
Likely Allen won’t let them spend as much as Paul did, and with the Team still part of probate they may have been ordered to keep the cap tidy. Makes sense, and if so, was a part of why Russ wanted out. It hamstrings Seattle a bit.
Makes sense. Frankly not sure that’s how they’d ever operate but as for no, we’re not going to know.
By the way, your post yesterday on the state of the team and how you feel about the state of th team was outstanding. A shame a new thread popped up and it kind of got lost.
Also comes down to how much cash is paid out for signing bonuses and guarantees. Guarantees I believe go into a trust and can’t be touched by the team until paid out. One reason why Khalil Mack was wasn’t extended with the Raiders because they didn’t have enough cash for his guarantees.
I really doubt that.
The Seahawks are valued in the $3.5-4billion range. $40-80million of dead money wouldn’t be an obstacle to a potential buyer. As DC said below, guaranteed money gets put into escrow and set aside so it’s not like the new owner would be saddled with debt. And as we’ve seen, you can be way in the red on cap room and still operate just fine.
As for their cap strategy, it was in place long before Paul Allen passed away.
As well, six months after Paul Allen died they made RW the highest-paid player in the NFL.
A couple months after that Bobby Wagner became the highest-paid LB in the NFL.
They signed Jamal Adams to a major deal this last year and structured it pretty aggressively.
So it’s not like the organization has tightened the purse strings in recent years.
It’s their organizational philosophy. Schneider has always operated that way with the cap. He even reiterated that they are a ‘pay as you go’ team at the combine. Pete said ‘they always spend their cap’ like that was a point of pride.
The Colts are even more conservative. They always have tons of cap room. They hide it better because they draft well and spend where it counts the most.
Put simply, Big Mike, those other teams are employing a credit card strategy that will entail a massive cap hit/dead cap/salary cap impact somewhere down the road, where the team is likely to just kind of implode and start all over after a few years in purgatory. Likely after having a few wildly expensive vets sucking out all the cap air past their prime.
By paying as you go, you try and avoid that. SEA/NEP/PIT and a few others employ this philosophy to try and be in the hunt every year. Or at least for long stretches.
There’s an argument to be made for both approaches.
My preference is the current pay-as-you-go approach, but with maybe a minor deviation here and there. We tried the “go for it” approach several times back in the 1970’s, 80’s and 90’s. It never worked and seemed like we were always in cap hell & player recovery mode.
So now I’m jaded. Your mileage may vary 🙂
BTW, I think one of the theories being followed by some financially aggressive teams right now is that their ‘credit card collapse’ phase will be offset this time because of the massive cap increase they see coming as part of the recent TV deals, etc.
Seems too early to just write that idea off, although it seems kind of fanciful.
One last thing. Wayyy back in the day, your cap was basically your owner. If you ended up going upside-down at the back end of a bunch of big contracts or other gambles, your owner would either lock down new signings or just sell the team because it became a financial drag. This became more pronounced after free agency started. The Seahawks got sold several times – always to worse and worse owners – back then, until we finally alost lost the team to CA.
Modern salary cap started back in the ’90’s and leveled the playing field a bit. So big $$ owners couldn’t squeeze little $$ owners like farm teams.
As below average this draft class is at qb, I predict at least 1 most likely 2 will be taken by time hawks draft at 9.
After hearing them talk about opportunities and how they never had high picks at the press conference, I would be really disappointed to see them trade down from #9. It’s a shot to get a game changer and it’s their job to find one right there. Trading down for a couple more picks in the first 100 would be OK from a roster point of view, but you don’t get the same quality.
Anyone know how to find how much cap space we had to start the offseasons for 2019-2021.
I’m having 0 luck
Rob, the new podcast was totally fabulous. What a nice way to augment your regular output!
Lovin it, and 1000 thanks for all your hard work.
My guess is Pete wants Watson and Schneider is completely opposed to the idea and there’s major tensions in the FO right now
Wouldn’t be surprised.
There did seem to be a smidgen of tension, with John finishing his answer at the end despite Pete’s attempts to stop it happening.
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This seems on topic.
Seattle isn’t even on Watsons list, so I’m actually thrilled that Pete and John are possibly at odds.
It tells me someone has finally gotten a bit of backbone and stood their ground with Pete.
The downside is that Pete still thinks he is a QB away from a championship.
Aaahhh…
So maybe that’s what the Kap workout/long speech about second chances was, setting the groundwork for something potentially very distasteful, pursuing Watson: ‘We are all about second chances!’
I sincerely hope that is not the case.
Trent Brown is 6’9 and nearing 400 pounds. That’s a dude that power rushers aren’t going to be able to push around much.
I was actually pretty surprised to see he was 380, no wonder he struggles to stay healthy. Maybe Faalale has a chance yet…
Couldn’t stay away from these mock draft sims
Traded #9 to PHI for #15 and #51
Traded #41 and #229 to NE for #54 and #85
15.
Jermaine Johnson
EDGE Florida State
40.
Devonte Wyatt
DT Georgia
51.
Abraham Lucas
OT Washington State
54.
Channing Tindall
LB Georgia
72.
Dameon Pierce
RB Florida
85.
Cam Taylor-Britt
CB Nebraska
109.
Cole Strange
OG Chattanooga
152.
Jack Coan
QB Notre Dame
153.
Smoke Monday
S Auburn
Seems pretty unbeliable to me, but how good would it be to get this group of guys? (probably almost as good as Bobby Wagner)
Think if Jermain Johnson is available at 9 and Seattle traded down Rob might throw the TV across the room. 🙂
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I’d love this draft but it would be best case scenario imo. I’m not familiar with Smoke Monday, but that’s a hell of a name
I really don’t understand what Seattle is up to. They pay a 3-4 OLB Nwosu $10 million a year, but after bemoaning having to part with Jacob Martin in the trade for Duane Brown to the media last year, they let the Jets sign him for only $6 million guaranteed. Are we going to run a 3-4 with 4-3 personnel then?!
I seem to remember a long time ago that Pete liked to run his 4-3 with 3-4 type personnel (someone correct me if I’m wrong). I’m not sure if that is still relevant or not.
Maybe the Seahawks tried to sign Martin, but he was like “nope I’ll pass”.
Right now the Jets look like an ascending team, while the Seahawks look like dysfunctional team trending downward.
Meh, I wouldn’t describe the Jets like that.
Let’s see where Seattle are more than a week into this rebuild
The Jets still have to play the Bills and Pats twice a year, and Miami isn’t going to just rollover.
That’s a tough division.
Maybe they just think Nwosu is better?
They must have, Rob. And I hope they’re right.
AND better for their scheme in 2022? Martin was who they liked 3-4 years ago.
Based on the the Hawks moves so far. I think the biggest needs are LT, RT, Edge, C, CB
-Sign Eric Fisher (LT)
-Sign Marcus Marriotta (QB)
-Sign Cordelle Patterson (HB)
-Extend DK or Trade him before draft.
Draft
#9 Jermaine Johnson (Edge)
#40 Abraham Lucas (RT)
#41Channing Tinndale (LB)
#72 Cam Jurgens (C)
#109 Cam Taylor Britt (CB)
#152 Zamir White (RB)
#153 Jack Coan (QB)
#229 Cade York, LSU (Kicker)
Rebuild the OL / DL and LB corps this year and let Lock, Marriota and Coan fight for the QB job. If someone steps up great. If not focus on QB next years draft.
This is the draft I have in my head as well. I’d like to think there would be a small trade down from 41 to get another 4th or something but that risks getting Tindall who I think goes early 2nd. I like Chenal but he’s noTindall to me. Still prefer Pearce to White purely on personality fit
I really like this plan. What would you do with Carson/Penny in this scenario? Would you sign a RT hedge or go into the draft with Curhan as the starting RT as the plan?
Meant as a reply to Trevor
Seems like probably Saints.
With Trent Brown coming in for a visit and possibly signing it feels like a versatility move. He has played mostly RT but has also played LT. It leaves the door open to take a guy like Charles Cross at 9 which would push Brown to the right. Or they could take Abraham Lucas at 40 and move Brown to the left.
Charles Cross jumped a 26 inch vertical.
I don’t see any way the Seahawks even consider him at #9
I highly doubt Brown would be OK with moving to the right side.
He has played both, but primarily right. Problem has always been health. But if they can sign him for RT & keep Dwayne for LT I’d be down with that.
Lucas jumped a 27 and Ekwonu jumped a 29 which are all similar. I meant they could be looking at a LT at 9 not necessarily Cross. Maybe Neal or Ekwonu as well. They have to have alternate plans if Johnson isnt there assuming he is indeed a target.
I doubt they’ll take a non explosive OT in the top 10
This would have been a welcome deal to the Hawks for me…
Per Rapsheet:
The #Jets have added pass-rush, signing former #Texans pass-rusher Jacob Martin to a 3-year, $13.5M extension with more available in incentives. He gets $6M guaranteed.
Meh, should be able to get a cheap rookie to provide 3-4 sacks and 4-5 TFL per season as a rotational rusher.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MartJa02.htm
You’d hope, but judging by our recent draft history, we have issues even drafting someone who can crack the rotation and play well. Collier, it took Green 3 years to become even serviceable. I hope Robinson gets going a bit more next season.
I like Jacob Martin not sure if hawks were interested
Since we seem to be in the business of 2nd chances and acquiring former R1 picks for cheap…
I thought Houston preferred picks over players; but I guess with the Saint’s having low picks it makes sense.
I’m getting a bit concerned about the #9 draft position. I only count 5 premium position players (QB, tackle, pass rusher). Hawks will need some help to get one.
I suppose they could trade up (maybe Giants at 5?) but I think the pass rushers will get more attention in the next 6 weeks.
I think we will more than likely have to trade up to get DE Jermaine Johnson. Although Pete and John have never traded up in the 1st round.
Trading up would likely mean #9, #40, #41
Or R1 + 2023 R1. Hard pass for me.
And why would top5 wanna trade back with 5 premium prospect available?
I think that is too rich for my blood as well.
A team trades back if they prefer the draft capital offered over the player of need. Giants have 5 & 7, I think it’s reasonable they look to trade back.
I’ve also seen people discuss the cap implications of high picks. I don’t really buy it myself, but possible a team trades out early to avoid cap trouble if they think a comparable player is available later.
My guess is they’ll hope the player they want is there or try to trade down. I have a hard time seeing them moving up in the 1st.
I’m hoping enough teams go QB OT & WR in top 8 to push the Passrushers down.
Deets. Looks good to me.
So in the neighborhood of $6m cap hit this year.
Interesting to work it that way, he gets the $10.5m this year which is great for a guy coming off his rookie deal, but there is zero guaranteed salary next year, and he’ll have about a $13m cap hit.
He got paid, but there is very real incentive to have a good 2022 if you ask me.
Its been reported his cap number is $6.3m in 2022
I continue to toss around trading DK. Of course, like Russell, an extension is better.
But was looking at a list of all WR trades for first round picks the last twenty years, and there’s some good ones, lots of Seahawks involvement for better and for worse…
Of the 9 trades, 8 were guys coming off their rookie contract or close to it. Randy Moss the only outlier.
Most guys were making noise, Galloway was holding out, Keyshawn was threatening too but was two years out from FA so the Jets got a lot of guff for caving.
2000- hawks trade Joey Galloway for #19 overall (Mr Alexander), and a future first (#7, turned into Koren) from Dallas
2000- Jets trade Keyshawn for #13 and #27 to Tampa
2003- Bills trade Peerless Price for #23 to Falcons
2005- Pats trade Deion Branch for 24 overall to Hawks.
2008- Det trade Roy Williams for #20, 3rd, and 6th Dallas
2013- Vikings trade Percy Harvin for #25, 7th, and 2014 3rd.
2017- Saints trade Brandon Cooks for #32 and 3rd.
2018- Raiders trade Amari Cooper for 2019 first pick to Dallas (becomes #27).
Moss in 2005 was the highest pick involved, he was one a second contract already but he netted the Vikings #7 overall.
With the current market, 1/2 of the league could desperately use a top WR, and DK’s talent, a mid first plus certainly seems possible. Of course these trades aren’t that indicative, more just a fun journey down memory lane.
The Galloway and Keyshawn trades are the model to me though. 22 years later will the hawks repeat history?
Netting a high pick this year and a pick next year provides a lot of flexibility. For example, I use the Jets pick at #10. 10 and a first next year would have to involve a bidding war or other add-ins.
At 9 and 10 you could go up for a pass rusher, and trade down with the other pick, you could stand pat and pick up two blue chips. Or may favorite scenario, you could pick a pick a blue chip with one, and trade aways down for another 2023 first or second. Giving the hawks a high pick this year, 3 picks in the early 2nd, and potentially 4 firsts next year.
I’ve been kicking around this idea as well, the problem is that then you’d be turning right around and looking to draft “the next DK”, with no guarantee you will find him. Lockett isn’t getting any younger either.
But if any team came with that strong of an offer, I could be swayed for sure.
How much does DK want to be here? Will he benefit or suffer from playing alongside a lesser QB? What will his attitude be once he gets paid bigtime? Answers to these questions are what would push me one way or the other. Hopefully the Seahawks have them answered.
PC told he wants a game manager QB. Does a game manager QB will use DK to his full capabilities?
I doubt. For DK to get 20+m APY, I want him to have like 9 targets, 6 catches avg/game, 90 avg yards/game and at least 12-14 TD in a season. Anything less and we overpaid based on potential
The whole point of having a “point guard” at QB is that their job is easy because they’re surrounded by weapons.
^This^
I have the same take. Pete wants to be a run first team and have an elite defense. Dk has shown frustration when he had an elite QB, just think how he will be with an average QB on a run first team. If we wait to sign DK next year he will probably command 25+ million.
DK is an obvious Franchise Tag candidate if things get sticky. He’ll still be tradable next year if it comes to that.
I strongly oppose trading DK based on his impact and age, even at the price he’ll likely command, I want to keep him.
That said, at this point I think a trade is possible if 1) He wants more than Hawks are willing to pay, 2) another team is desperate for an impact WR, doesn’t like the draft options AND is willing to pay him what the Hawks aren’t.
You and I had gone back and forth on this this previously. I admit that I have come around to share your opinion, in that I prefer to keep him. Guess now we’re both wrong.
I don’t really see it as either of us right or wrong right now. Kind of like the Russ trade- time will tell if it was a good move. Even then, it may not even matter if it was ultimately the only move available. If DK demands Devante Adams money, and Seahawks pass, then trade it is.
I was just being silly with that last comment. But obviously he is a talented player, and one that adds tremendous value to the offense. Hopefully he continues to develop and mature into a player worthy of that contract. I really think this is a make or break year
Don’t forget this name if he’s still on the board at pick 109.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JKERB25/status/1504273220614164481
Needs development, but I think he has the tools and is an absolute ballhawk. Could be perfect to backup and learn behind Quandre for 2 years.
As much as it would suck to have to replace DK, if i had to name one position where there is almost always an assortment of high impact talent in the draft, it would be WR.
But if you want DK quality, you probably need to spend #9 for WR. Pass for me. If we can pay Dissly and Diggs we can also pay Metcalf. The only reason for me to trade him is he doesn’t want to stay.
+1
To me DK is exactly the kind of young, elite talent that you build around
Why do you need DK quality?
And tbh you don’t need #9…Lockett wasn’t #9, DK wasn’t either. Both were R2 if I remember well. Davante Adams also R2. Kupp? R3. Deebo R2. Justin Jefferson, late R1, Stefon Diggs R5, Tyreek Hill R5, Tee Higgins R2, Hunter Renfrow R5, Godwin R3, AJ Brown R2, McLaurin R3, Deandre Hopkins end of R1, Pittman R2, Keenan Allen R3, Brandin Cooks late R1, Darnell Mooney R5, Amon Ra St Brown R4
Sure Chase was drafted #5, Ceedee Lamb #17, Jaylen Waddle #6, Mike Willams #7, Mike Evans also #7, Devonta Smith #10
PFF top25 WRs
Hawks have 2 WRs in that list.
76% is either late R1 or later rounds.
64% of them isn’t even R1
So 1, you don’t need to draft a WR #9 to get a really good one, just need a bit luck and good scouting.
2, while it’s nice, a team doesn’t need 2 WRs in the top12
3, a rebuilding team with bad QB play needs reliable receivers, but not sure about superstars, just guys who have a good catch radius and can run routes well and separate OK from defenders.
So while having DK is a nice, it is not a must have
Wide receivers aren’t as important as people think. If it’s going to take $20 million plus APY to keep DK, trading him makes all the sense in the world, especially in this draft.
Kupp, Adams, Jefferson, Brown, Chase, Samuel were all spectacularly important last year.
Which is exactly why Seattle should trade DK. He isn’t those guys and they shouldn’t pay him like he is.
Sell high and keep mining the draft for cheap and dynamic receiving weapons.
Metcalf is young and extremely talented. However, the issue isn’t the player but his value to this particular team, the opportunity cost of trading him, and what he’ll cost in free agency.
If they want to retain him, he’ll cost more than $20 mil/year. The Hawks aren’t a volume passing team, and don’t have a QB. For the next year or two, we’ll probably have a ‘game manager’ at QB and an offense heavily focused on the running game. This makes having two WRs making substantial money an odd investment of resources.
Then you consider the trade value. If the Hawks could land another first round pick plus extras (player and/or additional picks), they’d have to consider it.
Metcalf is a rare talent. There’s currently an arms race going on, especially for teams with young QBs looking to take a huge step forward (Jets, Bears, Jags, Giants, Chargers, Cardinals). Several teams that could be a match have multiple picks (Jets, Eagles, Giants). The bigging could be crazy for Metcalf. Unlike the situation with Wilson, he’d fit on many rosters and does not have no-trade leverage to limit the market.
Most of the above also applies to Tyler Lockett, although the market for him won’t be quite as crazy. I think the Hawks could and probably should lean into the rebuild and make another difficult trade.
I think Schneider would do it but Pete is loathe to use the term “rebuild”. so unlikely imo.
Avoiding the “R” word is the narrative, but its pretty clearly not the reality.
The team just traded a franchise QB. So although we can argue about whether or not they are ‘rebuilding’ …. they are rebuilding.
However, even if that wasn’t the case, there is a clear precedent for Hawks making this type of trade: Frank Clark.
The Hawks traded Clark at the end of his rookie contract prior to the 2019 draft. Clark was a very good player, but they decided against resigning him and didn’t want to deal with holdout after using the franchise tag.
The Seahawks were a legit playoff contender going into 2019. The loss of Clark created a significant hole at pass rusher. That team was very clearly not rebuilding. If the Hawks traded Clark for draft picks in March of 2019, I don’t see why they would be against a similar deal now on principle. Metcalf hasn’t demanded an extension or threatened to hold out, but with the team taking a step back and his trade value very high, they’d have to at least consider it.
Frank Clark netted us a first rounder (29th overall) in 2019 and a second rounder in 2020. The biggest difference is that Metcalf still has a year left on his rookie deal. The Hawks by no means need to deal him, But Metcalf’s value will only go down. The Hawks situation is QB is a mess. The team will likely focus more on the running game next year. And Metcalf’s salary for this year is cheap. He’s more valuable now than if we wait a year and do the same thing we did with Clark.
I’d shop him.
As for trading DK. We can think this through pretty logically
Let’s say 4 years 88m total, 30m gtd. Decent contract, not the highest, not the lowest.
Next year we’ll likely have either Lock, Geno, or a rookie as a starting QB.
Not sure about accuracy and arm strength of these guys, but DK’s forte is the go route.
If we redact those catches, and only focus on short routes (0-5 yards before the catch), and check how many yards those get us, we can get the result of a game manager or a guy with lesser accuracy/arm talent throwing to DK a lot. I don’t have data, but based on the eye test, DK is not really great at those stuff. He wins with speed, height not with route running or strong base and breaking tackles.
He did have 12 TDs and almost a 1000 yards. Remove some of the preciseness of Russ and some deep bombs. Add in more runs to help less experienced QBs.
With a worse QB I think 600 yards and 7 TD would still be a pretty great statline. His catch% is around 60 for his career. While Russ dumping balls into his bucket. I’m positive that could go down a bit (55%).
He had around 130 targets both in his last 2 years. Let’s say because of the stronger running game focus, it’d decrease but they might wanna force him the ball so not by much…for example 120 targets.
That would make 67 catches for the season (8 less than his 3 year avg).
So in the first year his statline would look like this:
120 targets, 67 rec, 9 yards/catch, 600 total yards, 7 TD
The team might be lucky and get Will Levis next year, or other great rookie QB, but they might not.
If not, I doubt DK’s statline would improve much. If they will grab one of the better looking rookies, his statline might improve, but in their 1st year together, I doubt a huge jump can come (they need to get their rythm synced, their timing right, etc…so they need snaps together to be on the same page).
Be optimist, they draft Levis, and he elevates DK some even in his 1st year.
125 target, 72 rec, 12 yards avg, 850 yards, 10 TD
In DK’s 3rd year if they have Levis, he is improving and ergo getting better
130 targets, 79 rec, 12,6 yards avg, 1000 yards, 12 TD
In DK’s last year with Levis, he hits pro bowl, and amongst the top5 WRs in the NFL with
140 targets, 90 rec, 14,5 avg, almost 1300 yards, 14 TD
And you have to pay him again to have a top2-3 WR for crazy amount of money (probably like 40m apy or something)
This is the best (realistic) case scenario, and likely means that Lockett’s numbers would fall.
If they trust either a QB on the roster, or a vet, or a rookie to be pretty precise in long throws, loves to feed balls to bigger targets even when they’re sort of covered (in shorter routes especially), and wanna play the same game (run to set up big passes), it’s OK.
But if you wanna focus on run first, want a mostly game manager QB, want to push quick passing game more, we have to ask the question… A potentially
308 received passes for 3750 yards and 41 TDs on 515 targets (and I don’t think I was brutal on DK…this is an optimistic statline) for 4 years, for 88m is it worth it? Sure…if you have the money.
But is something like an R1 #12-20 pick and a ’23 R1 worth more?
If you want to run probably at least 50-55% or even more, do you need a Lockett and a Metcalf on your team? Or can they get like 60% of that production for a rookie at #40? (I know that’s only 60%, but if Lockett is not put in the back to be able to push DK, he’s production likely adds another 20% to the mix).
I don’t think this team will be in a “win now” mode for 3-4-5 years, and I don’t think DK is a Kupp or Chase. He’s a weapon, but he’s not a security blanket. So I’m not sure how much help he offers to a young or mediocre QB. A big contract right now for me would mean like a deposit for another huge contract 4 years from now.
A good, winning team with SB potential needs a DK on their roster. This team is not that, and won’t be for a couple of years. WR is not as important as QB or LT for example. I’d throw money at young guys for LT/RT, build a really strong run game, collect picks for next year to be able to choose any rookie QB, build a really strong defense. Be mediocre this year (suck mostly, but strong defense that can be special in a couple of years, and have a solid run game, and an OL that while needs time together, can be pretty good), and drop the bomb next year with a good QB, a ton of money to spend and a solid foundation.
I’m not against DK. If they keep him and give him like 25m apy…well at least not spent on Dissly or other JAGs. But to me that is not a value move. They can get a pretty good WR easily through FA or draft or trade. Push the resources to positions that is harder to find elite players (OL, DL)
I don’t watch Colin Cowherd too often (he’s a pompous blowhard, and yes I’ve met him in real life) but I watched for a few minutes this morning for some reason.
He flat out said he was close with Wilson and his agent – so all those rumors he was talking about last year? And how it was talked about here how Wilson and his agent were basically speaking through Cowherd? I honestly can’t understand how Seahawk fans were surprised by how this played out.
Cowherd also let it slip that Wilson wasn’t happy when JS was scouting Josh Allen a few years ago. Sorry, but just because Wilson isn’t out there acting like T.O. or Deion I don’t think he’s any less of a prima-donna. I am fully aware of the situation our roster is in right now, but I couldn’t be happier now that Wilson is gone.
I know the chance are 0 for this scenario to happen.
Still; if you have the choice of Jermaine Johnson or Thibodaux at #9 who do you take?
For me it would be Johnson. I know Thibs has the upside but he also has a motor that turns on and off where Johnsons doesnt. Thibs feels like Clowney to me.
OTC has the Seahawks at $33.6m without accounting for Diggs, Sidney and Blythe yet.
I’d say Diggs will be $7-10m so let’s call it $10m
Sidney is reported to be $3.6m
Blythe is reported to be $4m
So let’s call it $16m of room left.
Keep in mind there’s some draft picks to be accounted for:
#9 Patrick Surtain had a cap hit of $3.8m last year.
#40 Richie Grant was $1.5m
#41 Levi Onwuzurike was $1.48m
However, those guys could be considered a wash. They’ll bump bottom guys off the top 51 chart, and there’s room to reclaim some money and not consider those picks extra cap hits if they like.
Does Diggs extension offset the OTC dead money factor in that cap number now?
The amount that’s on there from his last deal stays on there.
But they could massage his new contract to have a lower hit in 2022. But will they?
Still need a RB (Penny?) and OT.
Maybe some aggressive Chiefs-esque contracts coming? (Mainly thinking Trent Brown if we really are trying to sign him long term)
So around 10M for Penny, Trent Brown, & Dwayne Brown. More cuts coming evidently.
Rob, I know you try to explore all angles with your Seahawks analysis. I’d be curious about your thoughts of what the draft would look like if Seattle’s base defense switches to the Fangio style that Hurtt and Desai are familiar with. The Nwosu/Burns/Harris signings could point that direction. Perhaps a new scheme was part of the “assurances” given to Desai?
I’ve been wondering the same thing. How do Dunlap and Robinson fit? Could be the reason they did not get the playing time we thought they should be getting.
Pete Carroll/John Schneider both had high praise for Drew Luck. Is it geniune? I am not going to say it is 100% geniune. There for Luck moved the needle for me. I am not completely sold on Drew Luck. Can’t say he is the long-term solution. But I will go back to what Brock Huard said about Drew Luck. Huard said that Luck
has a higher grade than any QB in the 2022 NFL draft.
I am wondering if John Elway is part of the PROBLEM. Everything came natural for him. When you are a superstar and the game comes easy you tend to be less patience. And so when these QBs came in and they didn’t become a star the first in training Elway lost patience. Elway sees that Russell Wilson hit the ground running the first pre season game. So he expected the QBs he drafted to do the same thing. So when they failed to do it. Elway was ready to move. It comes down to player development and having some degree of patience.
As far as Russell Wilson is concerned. To me he just told everyone(in public) what they wanted to hear. Yesterday Russell Wilson said he wants to win three or four Super Bowls with the Broncos. He basically said he the same thing here in Seattle. Nothing new there. Wilson wants to win four super bowls with the broncos and he wants to make north of $50 million a year. Folks it ain’t going to happen. Right now Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow and Josh Allen are better and younger than Russell Wilson. And also you have Justin Herbert who I would prefer over Wilson. Justin Herbert is really good and he is 10 ten years younger. And I would argue that San Diego might have a better roster than the Broncos. Also how many picks in the first two rounds of this year and next does the Broncos have? We all know that answer. In fact after this year Wilson is going to be in the same situation that he was in Seattle. An aging QB and an aging roster.
It’s incredible to me all these QB’s want rings, but can’t resist having their egos fed by being the highest paid ever for what ultimately is a year or less, until another QB comes along and resets the market. I know this is a dead horse, but nobody is willing to take even a little less like Brady to get an edge? Classic case of wanting their cake, and eating it to it seems. I guess the players union wouldn’t be keen on players taking anything but the maximum they can leverage.
It’s not just Quarterbacks.
Ask Cha about how “brady took less money.” Maybe all qb’s should get less money and then have their team funnel direct payments to their health and wellness centers.
All that aside, nothing is really stopping them from truly doing what Brady has done, but without supposed under the table payments. I know other positions do the same, but the QB position is unique, and the most expensive.
That wasn’t what I was saying. All players wanting max for their positions. Brady also knew Belichick would build around him. He went to a team in TB already built to win. Alot of it is trust as well.
I’m sure other QBs might take less if they trusted the people to use that money wisely.
If I’m a QB & I’m taking less, I want input where that money goes.
How about all the qb’s who don’t take less and still get input?
Burrows is better than Wilson? That’s news to me.
Joe Burrows stats for 2021. STATS
Regular Season
Postseason
Career
CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT LNG RTG
366 520 70.4 4,611 8.9 34 14 82 108.3
Remember Burrows put up these numbers with an offensive line that is extremely shaky at best.
And RW had a decent online when he was balling out?
So more tds. And more ints.
I’d count more yards but it’s football not fantasy football and we can all go ask Watson how 4800 yards effected houston’s 4-12 season. Or we can ask stafford how leading the league in yards many years in detroit made a difference.
How about we check in on burrows in say 3 more years and see if he’s on pace to best Wilson’s numbers. For now since he’s not and Wilson never threw 14 picks in a year let’s just call it a wash. Patrick mahomes is the only of the young qb’s on pace to best Wilson. Not Allen who we should also check back in on now that he lost his OC.
You know another qb who had a shaky oline and never got to play with an offensive mind unlike all the new qb’s? Russell Wilson
If you asked me who I would take between Burrows and Wilson for the same price, id take Burrows every time. No hesitation.
I get it. You don’t like Wilson. Good news he’s not the team’s qb. Hopefully pete can strike gold again and pull off the miracle of only coach to go as long as he has and win another superbowl.
But time will tell.
Why would you say I dont like Wilson? Has nothing to do with disliking Wilson. Has nothing to do with whether PC can pick the next Burrow/Wilson. Love Wilson, gonna be a hall of famer. Very sad to see him go. But he is old, Burrows is young. Burrows is a winner too. Emotions and sentiment set aside, Burrows is a no brainer.
Peter: Don’t get me wrong. I loved watching Russell Wilson. But Russell Wilson checked out. He wanted out. Russell Wilson did not want to play in Seattle. After the Seahawks season was over. He said he wanted to retire a Seahawk. Russell Wilson wants to win Super Bowls but he wants to be paid the highest wage in the NFL. It doesn’t work that way.
Perfect question for Russell Wilson
When is the last time the highest paid QB in the NFL won a Super Bowl?
I’d take Burrow over present day Russ, and it’s not even close. Russ from 4-5 years ago, I’d take Russ.
1) Agree that Russ is likely going to find himself in a situation similar to his Seahawk situation
2) I’m willing to get excited for Lock, if he doesn’t pan out it’ll all be ok and they can move on
3) It’s a bit shallow but I’m excited for a tall QB
Also at the 29:51 mark Chris Simms ranking and breakdown of Lock before the 2019 draft
https://youtu.be/AFku2K3UFMY
Let’s go get him. Or Brown. But either way, lock up one of them.
If we could put Lewis at C, Collins at LT, TBrown at LG, Blythe at LT and Pocic at RG, I really think we’d have the best line in football while also being able to confirm that the FO is, in fact, the smartest guys in the room.
So two left tackles, one of whom is small even for a center, and no right tackle? That would certainly be innovative 😉
Lewis might demand a trade soon…
Why would you put everyone out of position? Collins has never played LT, T-Brown has never played guard, Blythe has only played RG and Center (and is naturally a center), Damien Lewis has only played guard in games, and Ethan Pocic has only played LG and Center in his career.
DLew played center for 1 game last year and did a pretty good job of it.
I don’t think Pocic could be a starter on the best O line in the NFL.
La’el Collins would be a great signing. He is still young, great run blocker, and can play OG or OT.
https://youtu.be/2GijINVxWv0
I would replace ‘would’ with ‘could’ be a great signing. As long as we don’t hear that Seattle is interested or linked to him in any way then there’s a chance. Rather roll the dice on La’el than Jumbotron.
Would signing La’el count as giving him a coveted ‘SECOND CHANCE”???
😀
A few posters have mentioned it – is there a chance we are bring in another RB? Are we keeping Penny and Carson or one of the 2?
I’m kinda surprised they haven’t cut Carson.
Medical complications for Chris.
Ya, to clarify, would Carson need to be medically cleared for Hawks to cut him and save on Cap? Or is that not factored into the equation?
They wouldn’t have to, they can cut him with a failed physical designation but there is a veteran benefit of $1.2m that could apply if Carson hasn’t been signed by someone else.
They’d realize the standard cap savings now, but could possibly lose the $1.2m later in the offseason.
You’re the man Cha! Thanks
Just gonna say the same thing.
They haven’t re-signed Penny yet, let’s not count the chicks before they’re hatched.
yeah – and I’ve noted a few other RB’s getting deals, Edmonds, McKissic, Damien Williams – and been very quiet around Penny. So maybe it’s in process w the Hawks, or there isn’t too much of a market for him after all?
Hey Rob, do you think Coan could be equivalent to Davis Mills or was Mills better coming out last year?
Asking cuz I’ve not watched Coan.
Can’t link now but: notre dame vs. Virginia is up on yoube in 10 minute form. Watch after he gets subbed back in.
I didn’t watch mills but coan reminds me of alex smith.
Thanks for the comp Peter.
The thing about Coan, at least for me, is that although I like him fine, I don’t think he’s a long term solution at QB. At best, he’s a quality backup who might have starter potential and therefore trade value.
I think there is a much better option next year and Seattle will have the draft capital to make a serious play for him. Why toss away a pick on the position this year when there are so many other holes, and so many decent prospects to fill them? Not to mention Lock and probably Geno on the roster.
If Coan is still available later on Day 3, take him. But otherwise spend on defense and OL (and maybe WR if a particular prospect falls to the right spot). After the draft, if they missed on Coan, they can go back to the FA pool and bring in another vet to compete. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s two vets (Geno + someone else).
Sorry, RB should be in there/
I think js alluded though to maybe looking even in this draft at the qb’s. Agree coan has back up vibes and an honest team would just say screw it go out there Lock. Show what you got abd next year we are set or we’re getting someone else after getting players for other spots.
Though this is a team that apparently thought as the wheels were coming bsck nosh fant in the first round would be a good idea. Maybe for a stacked team. But not the hawks.
Absolutely need a RB that can carry a load! I wouldn’t go later than round 3 because we already have Dallas and Homer.
If Mills had stayed at Stanford for 2021 instead of coming out, he would almost certainly be the #1 QB in the draft, and probably would be the #1 pick (as I imagine at least one team would be willing to trade Jax for the opportunity to draft him.
Coan is a mid round flyer.
Reason 2 million why this class is rubbish. Not that mills is bad but there’s going to be quite a few teams overreaching this year.
Totally. Based on his pre-injury trajectory, and his rookie year, I think he’s going to be a better than average starter. I don’t think Houston will be worrying the QB position for a few years. He’s not really a #1 QB, at least not based on anything he’s shown. But compared to this class, he’s damn near a sure thing.
To me, Willis is a 3rd round prospect who should be drafted somewhere in the range Mills did last year.
But no, some team is gonna Trey Lance it up a bit this yer.
Totally.
Ridder a guy i like is like a fourth rounder to me.
Willis a project pick under an certain yet established vet.
Pickett a third rounder.
And corral the same.
But here we are where all four might go in the first two rounds.
Edit. Willis under an UNcertain established vet
Mayfiled has apparently requested a trade. Any interest?
Baker’s 2022 cap is $18.5m, which is already more than Seattle currently have available (~$16m per cha). So if they acquire him via trade, they’d have to extend him immediately to fit his salary under the cap. And even then, it would eat up most of the available space. And I’m not interested in committing to him beyond a year.
So in sum, I wouldn’t take him even if the Browns sent a Day 3 pick along with him. Day 2?
Ya, he’d have to be cut. Wouldn’t be surprised if that were the case.
I can’t imagine Cleveland would cut him. They don’t have an alternative and he’s not worthless in trade. Some team will make a move, or he’ll play/sit on the Browns roster.
I’ve never been a big believer in him. He’s too inconsistent and makes too many poor decisions. But he’s undeniably talented, and I think he’s a competitor. And I wonder if the insult he perceives the Browns’ interest in Watson to be, which has already stung him enough to ask for a trade, might propel him to be a better player with a new team and a new coach. I don’t know.
They’ve already flat out said ‘no’ to his trade request within a matter of minutes.
I mean, what are they supposed to say? At the least, they need to keep appearances so as not to be lowballed in offer.
Maybe they rate Willis highly.
They have #13.
If they can get a reasonable return for Mayfield, while opening up $18.5m in cap space they could use to fill out the roster, why not?
Baker’s morale is in the dumps. He’s lost his spark that if he ever could be good, certainly won’t happen in his current state of mind. Browns know it and so does the league. The Browns best hope is to eat some salary and get a late round pick imo. In the event that nobody bites, I still think being cut is an option. There’s other Baker level of quality QBs hanging around they could snag. Plus they’re likely to draft someone.
Either way, he’s not the answer for us or at least no more than Lock might be. I’m not keen to touch his salary as it is. If he were cut (or traded with Browns eating cap) and we could get him for less than ~5-7 mil for competition then maybe take a shot.
Second Chance?
Seahawks could offer Adams…haha!
I don’t believe it if she wasn’t on the phone.
Those dastardly Rams. Like rust, they never sleep.
BTW, that’s how you do 3rd WR in the modern NFL.
Rams gonna be the dynasty we should have been?
Possible, sadly. They have smarter people running their franchise, especially as it concerns drafting and a smarter HC (outside of clock mgmt. McVay’s may be worse than Carroll’s).
Outstanding signing cuz OBJ likely won’t be ready early on if they do re-sign him.
A lot will depend on how badly the main cogs e.g. Stafford, Donald, McVay, etc. want it. Everything’s in place to win at least one more.
You have to think stafford has a new lease on life.
Donald could retire tomorrow and his legacy is set.
Mcvay is so young it’s incredibke to think he could do a decade in the booth still come back to coach and wouldn’t be “old.”
Bizarre Wr market continues. Good for the Rams I guess, bad for all the other teams he could have been a #2 wr for.
Continue to add. Love how they do things.
They have 0 problems being creative with their cap, & moving money around.
Well run franchise. Sigh….
Lot of money spent in that WR room….three guys way up in the 8 figures per year….
Unbelievable.
Kupp. A healthy Woods. Robinson.
And they’ll probably gamble on bringing OBJ back and having him available in the latter part of the season.
I completely see that.
The rich get richer
Can someone explain how Chris Godwin and Allen Robinson got less than Christian Kirk? lol
Jags had to overpay to get him cuz…..well……Jags.
Because JAX has to wildly overpay to bring in FA?
And why would they not over pay either of those two? I guess the thought of no one wanting to go there. Both the others signed with superbowl caliber teams
That should be an easy draft replacement for the Eagles.
So Suh, Cox, and Campbell are all available. Who would you add to the Mone/Woods/Harris rotation?
Jordan Davis if he’s there at 9.
Depends on price.
Campbell would be a great veteran presence but would he want to come to Seattle?
I am steadfast in my preference for Cox
None. Bring in younger guys with potential
and hopefully you find something for when they are legit competing in a couple of seasons
I agree. Give young guys opportunity to prove themselves.
Poona.
Yes. Lets keep adding old players to a team with no QB. Sounds like something our management would do.
That phase is going on the official Seahawks Off-season BINGO board.
*phrase
Along with “second chance”.
Haha, I want a whole BINGO sheet of “second chance.” — guaranteed victory.
We couldn’t really afford to offer more and Diggs contributed more than him. I don’t see the disrespect in choosing Diggs over him. Plus he didn’t really fit the scheme.
I agree. Plus, I think Tre Brown showed enough that you have to give him a shot and Sydney is quite cheap and developed into a fairly reliable player last season with chance to improve as he grows more comfort in the system. And maybe the other new CB will have a bigger role than expected. Either way, young, cheap competition with floors that are palatable and cielings that look to at least be at the level of solid/good but probably not great.
Gotta save money somewhere. CB felt like the group to do that with imo.
Pump money into the lines and have confidence that you can bargain bin some CB depth
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/seattle-seahawks/
Not new news, but I was surprised to see who our biggest cap hit is right now — Poona Ford.
Have we seen terms yet for the Diggs deal?
Not yet.
[SportsTalkATL Jake] Deshaun Watson is expected to waive his no trade clause and join the Atlanta Falcons, per source. The trade should be announced within the next few hours.
https://twitter.com/cantguardjake/status/1504576902618570754
Let’s see if this is real.
But could be nice for us as Rob suggested. If the Texans take a pass rusher at #3, they won’t take another one at #8
Geez… Matt Ryan’s gotta have a heckuva’ cap hit by now. Wonder where he goes? Or does he just stay?
Some others have already disputed this report, guess we’ll have to wait and see.
But if the Falcons get him, our chances for getting one of KT / JJ will definitely be better. So fingers crossed.
Maybe they can just go ahead and take Willis 8th and save ourselves from that temptation
They really like Davis Mills, I’ll guess cornerback after edge rusher.
Our chances of drafting a pass rusher just went up, right? Houston will only select one of them you’d have to think
I would be interested in Fletcher Cox.
Za’Darius Smith still a free agent. Worth a look at?
I thought he signed with the Ravens
He changed his mind…go figure!
He saw what other players just signed and thought he could do better.
Another big one
…thereby giving DK a relevant number for his own upcoming deal…
Was just gonna say: start working the phones for a DK trade right now…
I think it’s fair to say the move to Las Vegas has helped with the Raiders’ cash flow problems.
And trade value
Perhaps even to Packers now…?
👀
Pick #22 + #28 for DK anyone, with some day 3 change going back the other way…?
They have no choice but to go all-in on Rodgers right now. But I guess if they couldn’t pay Adams, they’d find it just as hard to pay DK.
(Or they just draft a couple rookie WRs and hope Rodgers makes them great right away.)
This seems like the most likely route.
Or they pursue OBJ.
Report was that Adams turned down similar money in order to play in Vegas with his old college teammate, Carr.
And get away from the drama that is Aaron.
Difference is Adams is 29
DK does not have Davante’s track record…. I think he’s the best WR in the league.
What a big trade for the Raiders…DAMN
Not saying he should get the same money, or will. But it’s relevant.
Agreed. We’ll also get to see how much of his production was due to Rodgers throwing to him (and no one else really) vs Carr I suppose.
Same for DK. Who has more yards/tds/ and 20 less receptions in three years than adams had in his first four.
The crazy arms race in the AFC West is going to be fun come game day.
AFC West arms race.
The AFC West is gonna be extremely fun to watch as a neutral. Hoping the Broncos finish last and give us some quality picks next year.
I agree for the most part, grab the popcorn! I’ll be watching the AFCW this year. However, I don’t hate Russ and hope the Broncos are competitive.
With Denver’s #1 and #2 next season, I hope Russ is healthy as ever…and has his worst year, ever.
Then, in 2023, he can go back to ballin’.
I wonder how DK’s trade value would compare with Adams.
Adams has a more accomplished track record. But he’s also much older and much much more expensive.
Not only does this set the market for an elite WR. It also sets the market for the trade cost to acquire one.
I’d think that Metcalf’s age and cost would appeal to a broader group of teams.
Any team that trades for DK is going to be paying him at at least $25m/year I think, cause there’s no way you trade for him without an extension already in place.
I hope they keep him so next year’s top 3 pick QB has prime DK &Tyler to throw to.
Mot a bad thought. Though i wonder how fans will react when he gets 29 million a year.
onlyfans will be pretty excited
🤣
There’s no way you do that unless you’re Petey and you’re trading for Jamal Adams.
DK is always going to be cheaper. He’s under contract for this year, and any team that picks him up would have leverage with the franchise tag. I think you are 100% correct that any team that acquires him would look to extend him. However, his salary for next year would definitely impact the contract. He’d be much easier for most teams to add and still maintain some cap space.
Which player would you rather acquire? Adams is an established elite WR, but he turns 30 next season and is signed through age 34. Metcalf doesn’t have that track record, but he’s more physically talented and has a better track record through age 24 than Adams did at the same stage of his career.
I’d personally rather have Metcalf. Any team that add him would be paying for his prime years.
Only wish I could see the look on Rodgers face
So basically the value of pick #12. Nice for Green Bay. Unfortunately they always seem to take players i wanted us to take.
huh…just seems like you are not going to get anyone nearly as good as Davante Williams w the 12th pick – but the cap management is the differential. It’s a really interesting puzzle.
Green Bay couldn’t really afford it. Seattle will have plenty of cap space. The key is will they want to spend that much on a receiver.
Very difficult call, I wouldn’t want to make it.
DK can get better returns as he is on rookie contract
We can’t pay up for a QB because we want to build a run dominant team & just need a game manager.
We want to win with Defense and Special teams; while using the QB throwing it 20 times a game.
DK wants the ball and is not happy when he doesn’t get it. Plus will likely demand something similar to Adams next year.
If you can get pick 15 & 51 from Philly I think you have to take it. That’s pick #7 value.
Tough call, it will be interesting.
#Jackcoan4thround
I wonder if the Jets would get involved. They’ve got picks 4, 10, 35, 38, and 69. They’ve got a young QB and a need at WR.
I wonder if they’d deal #10 plus one of their second rounders? Or perhaps a first next year?
Adding a second high- to mid-first pick would be huge for us. Right now, I think the big question is passrusher, OT, or QB? If they added another pick, they could fill two of those three needs with elite guys.
I’m ambivalent about tradung dk but they could almost retool all the areas of need in obe draft. Keep a first for a premier player abd trade around with the other to aquire picks.
Three second rounders( not from one team but theirs, denver’s, and another team) this year or even next to make it work for the trading team. Whether they go 3-14 or 8-9 they could get whomever they wanted in the next draft.
I keep wondering what DK thinks about all this?
His phone has got to be blowing up from his agent, family and friends over the Adams contract.
Then you factor in what his thoughts are on the QB situation. If Seattle doesn’t go after a top rookie QB this year, his numbers will certainly slide. Not something he wants happening in his last year of his contract.
I’m thinking his agent makes it known that the deal needs to be done before the season starts. Either a massive contract or a trade. No way he inks a franchise tag, much like the stance Adams took.
Panthers are out of the running for Watson. Hope Falcons get him so Houston can go thibs then go oline at 8
And Panthers draft Willis at 6
If we lay it all out.. there is lots of needs, question marks and depth issues but for the most part there isn’t any completely glaring holes (other than QB). Excited what John can do with lots of ammo and no need to force the issue anywhere (other than QB). This is his chance to gain our trust back.
QB: Lock / Eason
RB: Penny? / Caron / Homer / Dallas
FB: Bellore
WR: Lockett / Metcalf / Eskridge / Swain / Hart
LT: D. Brown? / Forsythe
LG: Lewis / Haynes
C: Blythe / Shepley
RG: Jackson
RT: T. Brown? / Curhan
Needs: QB, RB, WR3, OL Depth
Edge: Taylor / Nwosu / Robinson
DE: Dunlap / Green? / Hyder
5T/3T: Harris / Ford / Collier
1T: Woods / Mone
ILB: Brooks / Barton / BKK
CB: Brown / Jones / Reid / Burns
Nickel: Blair / Amadi
FS: Diggs
SS: Adams / Neal
Needs: Impact Edge, ILB, CB, Nickel/Safety
Can still cut Carson, Meyers, Amadi, Collier, and Hyder if need be. Would like to prioritize DE/OL in the first and second, ILB, RB and a few CBs to get clarity in that situation.
Davante Adams just got traded to the Raaaaiders. The AFC west is loaded. Buffalo has to be the clear number team in the AFC. Because of their weak division. The four teams in the AFC west are going to knock each off.