Does anyone here know what happened to seahawks.net? That website has been down for a while now. I know there was an ownership change a few months ago and it seems they are struggling to keep the lights on.
He also said a damn good player will be there at 21.I
Folks, these mock drafts won’t look the same come April 26th. Players will fall and teams will reach. Let the chaos begin.
Volume12
Having one highly paid receiver in Lockett and then surrounding him with day 3 picks, bargain bin FAs, and UDFAs, is one way you can pay the big 4.
Sea Mode
Yup. Now that we are paying OL, we’ve got to save somewhere. What positions do you think?
Seems like for right now, its DB, TE. But once the DL gets paid, we’re gonna have to save somewhere else as well. I think WR is a good option. If Doug moves on, that’s close to Reed’s money there.
Volume12
Good question.
Probably WR, CB.
charlietheunicorn
Seattle has shown a perchance for being able to develop CBs, which is one of the most overpaid positions on the football field. They have saved a bunch of money over time this way, enabling splurges on TE, WR and QB 😉
Madmark
I think they will be more active with WR this year as far as the draft. I love a Doug Baldwin but they need to find slot guy for his position going forward. the 3 you talked about just are no slot guys. I have a theory that Seattle wasn’t just at WV to watch Will Grier but they was looking at Brandon Sills V WR WV. This guy is the perfect play action pass guys who looks like a true position WR for a number 2 WR. In fact he’s one of my mock draft pick. The slot I think I can get later and that’s John Ursua WR Hawaii.
CaptainJack
Who is Turner
Elmer
Malik Turner, a rookie last year, on the practice squad and active roster.
For starters you can’t spend picks you don’t have. And right now the Seahawks are only ‘projected’ to have 2020 comp picks.
And after two years of being absolutely desperate with a low number of picks… there is NO WAY they’re going to use the 2020 stock to extend the problem into next year.
They aren’t staying at 21.
We all know this.
Sea Mode
Plus, saying that there will be a good player at 21 could just be trying to boost the trade value of that pick too.
“For starters you can’t spend picks you don’t have. And right now the Seahawks are only ‘projected’ to have 2020 comp picks.” Rob
The projections are pretty accurate though. It’s a safe bet the Hawks get 4 comp picks, in rounds 3,4,6,7. There’s room to sign another cheap vet without affecting the comp picks. While those picks cannot be traded until they are awarded, JS can bank on getting them. Thus the native 2020 picks become more liquid. Meaning if JS traded a 2020 3rd or 4th we wouldn’t have a huge hole in the draft. Personally I’d be more surprised if JS didn’t trade a 2020 pick for a 2019 pick.
The projections are very accurate. But you can’t hand in a card that says, ‘The Seahawks trade a pick that Over The Cap.com is predicting they will have in 2020’.
The Seahawks trading a 3rd or 4th rounder next year to pick in rounds four or five this year is just way off IMO. Only today Schneider is talking about how great it is to have 11 picks next year. They can trade down from #21 to replenish their board.
Only player that would justify us staying is Rashan Gary, but that will never happen.
GoHawksDani
I’m 99% with you guys about a trade will happen, but…just to talk about every angle:
1, PCJS says there are no big needs, so it’s not like we have ton of needs, so we want x picks to fill those needs
2, They also want to strengthen the run D and passrush
3, This is a good DL class
4, The difference is significant between the top 10-15 front 7 prospect and the rest of these guys
They might want:
TE, Safety, WR, DT, DE/EDGE, CB
I think they are fine with late WR currently and late CB
If they trade back a 5th to a 6th and 7th they could fill WR and CB
They need to pick Safety in the 3rd, hopefully a guy like Amani Hooker would be there.
They probably can pick a TE in the 4th
That leaves us with DL:
If one of these guys would be there at 21st, they might stay and pick him:
Quinnen Williams (DT, Alabama)
Nick Bosa (DE, Ohio State)
Rashan Gary (DE, Michigan)
Dexter Lawrence (DT, Clemson)
Ed Oliver (DT, Houston)
Montez Sweat (EDGE, Mississippi State)
Clelin Ferrell (DE, Clemson)
Christian Wilkins (DT, Clemson)
Josh Allen (EDGE, Kentucky)
That’s nine guys. And there are other guys who’ll probably be top15-20 (the top 2-3 QB, maybe 1-2 WR if someone has a crush and draft one too early, maybe the top RB, a couple of OL, Hock and Fant). So although I feel these guys will be in the top20 and even if one would fall a bit we would trade back…
There is a possibility that one of these guys could up still on the board when we pick @21.
I would take out a couple of guys, but maybe one of these guys would be still up if we trade back 5-7 positions:
Dexter Lawrence (DT, Clemson)
Ed Oliver (DT, Houston)
Christian Wilkins (DT, Clemson)
That would be pretty cool. Trading back 5-6 spots, picking up a 4th for example, selecting maybe Lawrence, getting Hooker in the 3rd, pick up maybe Foster Moreau in the 4th, trade back the other 4th into 5th and picking up a 6th for that. With the first 5th round pick, select Hollins for EDGE, other 5th round pick get a WR (no idea who could be a target in this range), and with the 6th round pick select Derrek Thomas for CB
1st: Lawrence – DT
3rd: Hooker – S/nCB
4th: Moreau – TE
5th: Hollins – EDGE
5th: some WR
6th: Thomas – CB
This would be sick
Kenny Sloth
“I have something valuable. This is worth a lot. You should want pick 21”
Ashish
Good to hear from you after long time. I hope you are right on keeping Clark and Wilson and sign them before July.
No more distraction
Sea Mode
Interesting note on Sweezy:
Schneider confirmed the general thought that the one free agent the team hoped to keep — knowing that players such as Coleman and Mike Davis were going to get offers they wouldn’t want to match — was Sweezy. But Schneider said “that happened so fast for him, we just weren’t ready to pull the trigger.”
AlaskaHawk
Ravens trade Earl Thomas to 49ers for first and second rounds draft picks! Now we got to face him and Sherman twice a year? Boooo!!
H
No they didn’t? What’s your source?
Sea Mode
😂 I can’t believe it…
troy
whoosh!
H
Haha wow I totally forgot, you got me. In fairness that’s not really a thing here.
AlaskaHawk
In further news it was reported that Pete Carroll is in discussions with Golden State’s Stephen Curry to play next fall. Pete said in a recent press conference, “he knows how to run the floor and he has made a lot of interceptions. He will be a perfect slot cornerback for the Seahawks. Our biggest problem will be convincing him not to pass the ball to a teammate breaking for the end zone.”
I need a green leprechaun emoji or something!!!
Sea Mode
I’ll give it a shot, not sure how it will turn out on here:
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AlaskaHawk
With skills like that – you can get a high paying job in Washington. Cute!!! I’ll take the beer in hand over the imaginary pot of gold.
Sea Mode
Solari at Washington pro day.
Sea Mode
Mike Vorel
@mikevorel
Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll and GM John Schneider are at UW’s pro day as well.
11:23 AM – 1 Apr 2019 from Seattle, WA
Volume12
And Taylor Rapp with a 4.7 40
Eli
Tough to know for sure w/ hand-timed 40s and how much misinformation is spread at this time of the season. I clocked him at 4.56
Volume12
He plays faster than 4.7, but there’s multiple sources reporting he ran in the 4.7’s.
Still a top 40 pick though. Everybody in this class is. UDFA starts around the 60th pick or so after all the comps get factored in. 😉
Shocker, UW player over hyped and runs slow as molasses and wont be a good pro.
charlietheunicorn
I mean… COME ON…. they are right fricking next door to UW.
If they weren’t at the pro day, then I would suspect something was up.
I’m still thinking the TE Sample is a guy to keep an eye on during the later rounds.
Perhaps he could be a bit of a FB/TE project as well. He can block, so he has that going for him.
Could Seattle be interested in OT Caleb McGary? He is a good run blocker, with huge hands and wingspan. He is also a top 10 in SPARQ score for the 2019 OL class. (insert wTEF scores here). I’m seeing round 4 projection on him, which would be a good upside value pick imo. Biggest knock I can find on him is his age, 24+. He has experience at RT and I could see him maybe sliding inside to OG if needed in a pinch.
CaptainJack
Kaleb McGary has really short arms. He’s athletic but not special enough to warrant wasting a pick on when we already have two starting quality right tackles.
Drafted him would make less than zero sense, endless we move him to guard. And even then it would make very little sense when we already have Iupati, Simmons Pocic and Fluker.
charlietheunicorn
One site lists his arm length as 33.6″ and his wingspan over 80″…. that doesn’t sound short to me. He is not a T-Rex at least.
CaptainJack
The main point is we just don’t have a spot for him.
Sea Mode
He has 32 7/8″ arms and 79.75 wingspan. Combine measurements.
Delano is starting SS next year, you can place a bet on that. Every single time in their public interviews PC and JS spoke so positively about him. Today on question from who he expect to improve most next season, JS first mention Hill. And then after pause he added some other name like T2, Green, Penny, Moore…
Volume12
Hope he does. Flashed a ton the last quarter of the season or so.
Tecmo Bowl
Agreed. Hill looked like he turned the corner until he got hurt.
Agree with you guys on Hill, I thought it looked like he would finish the year starting until he got hurt. That was one of last seasons best surprises>biggest bummers was his arrival then injury.
CaptainJack
Delano Hill, Tedric Thompson, Nick Vannet, Naz Jones and CJ Procise. All former third round / early fourth round picks that just haven’t really shown up fully yet. Let’s hope everyone helps to justify those picks this season. Wish we had hung on to Reed Odhimabo for longer because he could be nice depth at guard.
Nate
Yes, when they do this and promote flowers to LCB, the secondary will be better than last season
Sea Mode
Aaron Lynch back to Bears on 1yr deal.
CaptainJack
Great! I didn’t want him anywhere near this team. Super average player.
The most interesting thing JS said today is that they started with 1200 ayers, now they are on the 300 and on the draft knight they will have big board with 150 talents.
charlietheunicorn
He has mentioned this in years past.
Some players flat out do not make the cut for various reasons.
Scouts have an amazing job, trying to project a player into the NFL…. year 1 – year 5.
They must have a quality network established now, since they have been mostly intact, since JSPC showed up in town.
Madmark
Rob what do you think of bringing C.J. Anderson from last years Rams I think he fill for a departed Mike Davis? I think Mckinsec takes Prosise place and I like the idea of a big physical back for my 3rd RBs. He’s only 28 years old.
It’s possible I suppose — although they might prefer to simply add a later round or UDFA type for cost purposes. I’ve always liked Anderson and he played a role for the Rams last season. Any signing like that now is probably going to be after the draft though.
charlietheunicorn
7th round or UDRFA is very likely. The savings realized is a legit part of the salary cap equation.
They have had some success bringing in these type of guys in the past, no reason to change now.
I’m happy Mike Davis found a home. Quality player who never quite got a fair shake in SF.
Good trade for Kansas City, Reid was able to get through to another lazy but talented stud in Chris Jones.
I know nothing about Murray though.
If I was Cleveland I’d want to keep Ogbah.
Trevor
I never thought Chris Jones was ever lazy coming out of college but I agree nice trade as there is basically no downside.
CaptainJack
Jones really didn’t produce much in college but in the pros he’s an absolute terror.
No clue why.
Trevor
I was a big fan of his coming out of college and talked about him a lot here on the blog with Vol 12. He had an incredible athletic profile and showed flashes in college. A little like Gary at Michigan this year on that the scheme he played did not let him show all his talents and he constantly faced double teams.
I think another Miss St DT Jeffery Simmons will be another star DT in a year or two as well once he recovers from the ACL. I know the Hawks never take injured players but I think he would be an absolutely steal at the end of Rd #1 or early Rd#2. His tape is off the charts good IMO. He was a man playing against boys in the SEC and will be even better in a pro scheme. Imagine Simmons and Reed as your two base DT with Poona rotating.
Kenny Sloth
You were as high as anybody on Chris Jones through the process, but I personally thought he needed the right coaching staff to produce the way he has (and was always capable of)
Trevor
You are right Kenny the right scheme and coaching staff is key for a lot of these guys. I think of a guy like Danielle Hunter. Coming out he was so raw and he landed in the perfect situation with Mike Zimmer and now he is a star. If he goes somewhere else his career is totally different.
If I was a QB I would want to be drafted by Andy Reid, OL or LB drafted by the Pats, DB drafted by the Hawks, DL by the Vikings, WR the Steelers. Some teams just keep pumping out stars ar certain positions.
Kenny glad to see you back more on the Blog the last month you were missed. Someone to keep my irrational exuberance in check sometimes.
Kenny Sloth
Yeah I wasn’t able to watch much cfb this season but now that some cut-ups are more available I’ve actually got an opinion on these guys now.
Hard to believe Ben Banogu going top 60 for example
Trevor
Yeah Bangou looks like the classic great athlete but not so great football player who will get over drafted because of his testing numbers. Happens every year as you know. Then some other guys who can flat out ball drop because they ran a 4.5 instead of a 4.4.
CaptainJack
Full disclosure when it comes to college football I’m a UW fan.
But I’m not a blind homer for their players as pros. I want Uw players to be good pros but I don’t want the Seahawks to draft anyone just because they’re from UW. I’d rather they go to a team that fits them the best and sets them up for the best chance to succeed.
It’s funny to see all the Husky/Seahawks fans clamor for Taylor Rapp. It’s not going to happen. Pete Carroll is not going to draft a safety who runs a 4.77 40 anywhere before round 6 or 7. And Rapp will room badly go round 2 or 3.
I’m not a huge Rapp fan. I think he’s a smart player but he’s not really that hard of a hitter or even that spectacular making plays on the ball. He’s decent. But with that 40 time? Pass.
Aaron
I’m a UW fan too but also see the limitations or non scheme fit of some of those guys that many want to play for the Hawks. Rapp doesn’t have the elite speed they need in the secondary, Gaines has very short arms, and while I love McGary and his toughness he also has small arms. I think Drew Sample would be the only one of the crop I’d take because of his ideal frame, measurables, and scheme fit.
Eburgz
“Gaines has watched his draft stock take off since the Senior Bowl and I’m told the hometown Seattle Seahawks like Gaines and have their eye on him.” Tony Pauline
rewatching senior bowl practice and Gains and Byron Cowart really stand out in a good way. Cowart is a former 5 star recruit with good size. Anyone have any thoughts on him?
I really like Gaines but given the Seahawks haven’t drafted a DL with sub-33 inch arms it would be a bit of a surprise to see them get a guy with 31 3/4 inch arms.
CaptainJack
A player I think is getting slept on is Clemson’s Austin Bryant.
Lost in the greatness of the Clemson Dline, and missed the combine with injuries.
He’d really good value for a 2nd or 3rd round defensive end.
I made draft big board for first 3 rounds. I will update it before draft with board spots and grades from few analists.
Should I add some players? Rapp with 4.74 40y? Amani Hooker, Gerald Willis?
Last year I made same question, and asked “maybe I should add Penny” and at the end I didnt have him on final board.
GoHawksDani
Are the players in order? If so then:
Not sure about Wesco, I might put him higher a bit. Other teams might not see him as valuable but he could jump into 3 positions pretty soon for us: He could be a FB after a short while, a Y-TE and he could also take Fant’s job.
I also feel Samia is a bit higher…maybe that’s just because of Rob 😀
The top safeties for me: 1, Savage 2, CGJ 3, Thornhill 4, Hooker 5, Adderley 6, Thompson
I don’t know if this board contains only guys who might be available? If yes then I feel you can take Hockenson and Wilkins off. If all the guys then:
From the DTs Quinnen Williams, Ed Oliver are missing.
From the 5T Bosa, Gary, Ferrell
From the LEO Josh Allen
And I’d put Jaylon Ferguson in the LEO. And maybe Winovich…I know, has short hands, etc… But late 3rd round I feel like he could be a value pick if rest of the guys (Collier, Miller, Omenihu, Allen, Saunders, etc…the 3rd round guys) are taken. Oh yeah, I’d also add Ximines to 5T
millhouse-serbia
No, they are not in order. I will choose one of big board (probably arif hasan consensus board) and plac them in order by that board.
Yes, this board contains only guys who might be available.
I think there is a slight chance Hockenson and Wilkins will be there at 21.
Imo Ferguson pro day results are so bad that he is completely of board for seahawks, or maybe potential pick in later rounds.
I don’t see Winovich as fit for seahawks.
Here is scenario where Hockenson or Wilkins are available at 21.
QB-Murray, Lock, Haskins and maybe Jones (Ari, NYG, Mia, Den)
DT-Quinen, Oliver, Gary
Edge-Bosa, Allen, Sweat, Burns, Ferrel
LB-White, Bush
OL-Taylor, Williams, Ford , Dilard (NYG, Bills, Car, Min, Jax)
CB-Murphy, Greedy
WR-Matckalf
There is 21 player. Plus one of Wilkins or Hockenson..
Maybe for some teams Fant is higher than T.J. Maybe there is team that will pick C or G in top 20 (last year it happened). (Bradbury, McCoy, Lindstrom).
I know chances aren’t that big but it is possible.
I think there is 0% for Quinen,, Oliver, Bosa, Gary or Allen.
Maybe I should add Ferrel to my board. He has that slight chances like T.J or Wilkins.
millhouse-serbia
OJ Howard was TOP 5 or TOP 10 player on most boards and he was 19th pick.
DCD2
Possible adds: S-Marvell Tell, possibly Hooker
WR – AJ Brown
LEO – Jachai Polite
Tell has been talked about plenty here. Brown looks like one of the best WR’s in this class to me. I’m surprised we haven’t talked about him more. He was always getting open and had a 85 catch 1320 yard season last year. People are enamored with DK Metcalf, but I would take his teammate if I’m on the clock.
Polite seems like the kind of guy that PCJS target with their first pick. Potential difference maker (‘activity problem makers’ per Pete). He’s a bit like Malik, which I know isn’t a glowing comp. If they think that their logic was sound I could see them trying to catch Polite in a draft day fall. Rob made some great points about him in the podcast. He tried to put on too much weight, and needs to be playing around where he was at Florida.
I’m not advocating for taking Polite, but he does share a lot of traits that PCJS have looked for in top picks, so I think we need to keep him in mind.
Nice work on the board. Thanks for putting in the time and sharing!
Polite could be someone they target later if he drops and they sense value. But a slow, short armed, small pass rusher with their first pick seems unlikely IMO — regardless of the consequences. Let’s not forget McDowell still had an incredible combine work out. But if Polite drops they may believe they can get him right.
DCD2
I know his 40 was bad, but I watched some of his tape and he sure doesn’t look slow to me.
I agree that he’s pretty slight of build, but so was Irvin. They are same height/build but Irvin had 3/4 inch longer arms. Polite was actually 13 pounds heavier, but as you mentioned probably shouldn’t have been.
I admittedly trust for you to address the measurables and trends associated for each position. 3/4 of an inch doesn’t seem like much to me, but maybe it is a big deal to the Hawks. I just know he looks fast and disruptive on tape and was going against the best tackles in college. He also forced 6 fumbles and we know Pete loves TO’s.
Just seems like John could explain away a lot of the red flags: Put on bad weight for the combine, pulled a hammy as a result, bad interview but he was nervous or unprepared.
Since 2010 the Seahawks haven’t drafted a player like this with their first pick and have stuck to a trend (great traits and athleticism) that steers us down a certain path. If Polite tumbles they might consider him. First pick? Highly unlikely based on what we have been able to establish about this front office.
DCD2
Fair enough. The list he put together was for potential targets in the first 3 rounds, so that was my thought. Another name to consider, as you mention, if he falls.
Any thoughts on AJ Brown? If we were to take a WR with our first pick, I think he looks the part. Great YAC, great hands, good route runner, great numbers in the SEC. Not necessarily blazing speed, but ran a 4.49 at the combine at 226 lbs.
I like Brown as a big slot. Not sure the Seahawks are a fit for him. They want to take shots downfield and make chunk plays. Brown more a fit for the offenses that chip away. Wins short area, has some size but not a downfield burner.
DCD2
Thanks Rob. I could see the Pats taking him for sure, in that role.
I’m worried that Doug isn’t going to be right again. 3 different injuries that required surgery this offseason is bad news. That’s why I think Brown could be a good replacement. He’s only 21 years old as well.
Terry Maclaurin is the other WR I get excited about. I would be pretty pumped about either of those guys. Maybe Deebo Samuel or Riley Ridley?
I don’t think that we target one of the big WR’s (Metcalf, Harry, Whiteside) due to where we would need to take them and their lack of separation skills. They are more contested catch/throw to the even if they’re covered guys.
Marquis Brown seems redundant to Lockett in skill set. Paris Campbell seems like a fun player, but he’ll not a true WR1.
I have to think WR will be one of our first 2 picks considering the current state of our receivers.
McLaurin is a Seahawk type. Deebo I can see but I’m not totally convinced by his downfield ability. Ridley most definitely not. At least not early. And I don’t think Brown is a fit for their style.
DCD2
McLaurin definitely has explosive traits. His highlight reel is great.
He seems to catch the ball with his body a lot and he only had 35 catches last season though (just under 3 catches per game!).
Pauline reporting that Seattle has serious interest in Greg Gaines. Day 3 pick? His 31 3/4 arms are surely out of their comfort zone. But for a fifth or sixth round pick? Could be a nice pairing with Poona Ford.
CaptainJack
Hm I could I see it, but it would just make sense for them to check out all the local UW prospects anyways, so I don’t think you can read too much into it.
Gaines is ok but he’s undersized and doesn’t have that elite quickness other undersized nfl Defensive linemen have. He also lacks length. I like him as a person but I don’t want the Seahawks spending a precious draft pick on him. If he slips to UDFA sure bring him in to compete.
He has a track record on reporting who they’re interested in. Who among us ever had unknown Terry Poole on the radar? Tony called that, and several others. Not a 100% track record but when he speaks we should listen.
And you said he missed on Bolles and Sambrailo. Both were picked before Seattle ever got on the clock.
Volume12
Who they’re interested in and who they actually pick are different no?
Never said we shouldn’t listen, but his word isn’t gospel either.
He said they were targeting them. And we’ll never know if they were or not because they weren’t on the board when they picked. You can’t use those two guys as an example of him being wrong.
Volume12
Ok. Throw those 2 out the window. What picks, selections, etc. has he nailed?
He’s nailed plenty, including Terry Poole who nobody talked about.
Not sure why you’re going down this path.
Volume12
What path? That I disagree he’s ‘nailed picks?’ That’s awesome he got Terry Poole right.
He’s done a great job of reporting who they’ve had interest in. I’m sure he would tell you that that in no way means it’s nailed on. Pick confirmed. There’s a big difference.
The path that is being nitpicky about Tony Pauline.
You listed Bolles and Sambrailo as things he got wrong but that wasn’t the case at all. Tony is great and has done a very good job over the years helping us identify players the Seahawks like. Terry Poole is one, Rees Odhiambo was another. Two players we wouldn’t immediately think would be on their radar but were.
GoHawksDani
I feel he could be a big steal.
Yeah, has some limitations…that’s why he won’t be a top 3-4 round guy. But he’s not that far away from a second or third round guy based on his stats. Getting him in the 6th round would be a good value pick.
Agree. 5-6 round seems like good value for Gaines. Have you seen much of his tape? I just finished watching the Auburn game and came away impressed with his initial burst and general motor. He also seemed to have excellent gap integrity—I can see why he was such a highly-rated run stuffer.
Aaron
I’d pass on Gaines. I loved him at UW but his lack of length and quickness are definitely at odds with the types of guys they pick, even in UDFA. Think of Poona Ford last year. Yeah he is short but has great arm length and elite quickness. They need another run stuffer but I hope it’s more of a 6’3″+ 315lb+ kind of guy.
Volume12
But, but… ‘His arm length! Aarrgghh!’
millhouse-serbia
I think that Christian Miller and Deiont Tompson will run 40y today.
Going back to the Rashan Gary talk for a second. Man what a perfect RDE 5Tech would that guy be on our defense? I know it aint happening but one can dream…lol
Volume12
This stat is crazy.
Defenders this century with a sub 4.65 40 and sub 7 3 cone that weigh 250 or more.
Montez Sweat
Chase Winovich
Harold Landry
Leighton Vander Each
Brian Udlacher
DeMarcus Ware
Cliff Avril
Justin Houston
Jerry Hughes
Connor Barwin
Jason Worilds
Jordan Willis
Mark Anderson
Winovich is going to look good in New England, Detroit or Miami.
Trevor
Agree completely about NE. I have him mocked to them every time I try a 2 round mock. He is Teddy Bruschi 2.0 and has Patriot written all over him.
AlaskaHawk
Here is something to think about. The last four years of BCS championships have been won by either the Clemson Tigers or the Alabama Crimson Tide. How many players do the Seahawks have on their current roster from those two championship winning teams? How many of those players were drafted by the Seahawks?
The only names that I have dug up are Fluker and Scarbrough. Neither were drafted by the Seahawks.
Isn’t it interesting how we argue about player stats instead of discussing players who were already been chosen and trained for championship football? I would like more consideration given to players from those two teams.
cha
That was a Tim Ruskell trait. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn’t.
My preference would be that is far down the list of things to consider. Maybe teams considering that was why for instance a Bobby Wagner from woeful Utah State was available to them in 2012. Maybe not.
Spireite_Seahawk
Jarran Reed?
AlaskaHawk
Yes- Reed is a good example of the quality players you can get from their program.
Kenny Sloth
Imagine thinking Jachai Polite and Chase Winovich are seahawks targets
Volume12
RW and Seatttle have started to engage in talks about an extension- 710 ESPN Jake Heaps
Volume12
Baylor CB Derrek Thomas has a VMAC visit.
Trevor
What are you thoughts on Thomas? he has the look of a Hawks CB but his tape was really inconsistent from what I saw. Definitely has the physical tools IMO. Another former WR.
Did he do a short shuttle or 3 cone at his pro day?
Volume12
Volume12 says:
February 11, 2019 at 11:20 am
Can’t wait to see this dude at the combine. Baylor CB Derrek Thomas (6’3, 190-195 lbs.).
Former WR, transfer from Temple. For playing only 1 season in the wide open BIG 12 he acquitted himself very well. Held one of the more explosive 2020 WR prospects in check. Top 75 talent Tylan Wallace, OK St.
Watched a bit more and his physicality left a lot to be desired, but he offers a lot to work with. Moves really well. I feel like him picking up and learning the corner position of rather taking to it so quickly says a lot about him.
That is crazy how close they are in testing. Have to remember the Hawks never draft Mcdouglad however.
Rob4q
Right, McDougald wasn’t drafted…was an UDFA signed by the Chiefs, then released and Tampa picked him up. He was a FS coming out of Kansas and his numbers for that position were not good. But when you look at him now and how he plays, he’s a true hybrid safety that can play multiple roles well. I think we are going to see more and more of this type of player in the NFL. And Worthington fits that profile very well – has the athleticism and size to play multiple roles and also has the ball skills too.
I can see the Hawks safety group with McDougald, Hill, T2, Luani and Worthington in 2019…lot’s of versatility there! And Akeem King might get some looks there as well – he’s pretty versatile.
Akeem King
6’3″ 212 lbs
Pro Day Results
40-yard dash: 4.41 seconds
Vertical jump: 37 1/2 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet, 2 inches
Short shuttle: 4.38 seconds
3-cone: 7.08 seconds
Bench: 20 reps of 225 pounds
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Sorry, King is 6’1″ 215 lbs
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Hey guys. Russell Wilson just got traded to the Yankees. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2018/02/07/seahawks-qb-russell-wilson-traded-yankees/316316002/
lol
Does anyone here know what happened to seahawks.net? That website has been down for a while now. I know there was an ownership change a few months ago and it seems they are struggling to keep the lights on.
On 710 espn JS says the WR class isn’t bad and is a need but not a drastic need. Feels good about Turner, and Moore and they’re not done on Amara.
its lying season, who knows.
He also said a damn good player will be there at 21.I
Folks, these mock drafts won’t look the same come April 26th. Players will fall and teams will reach. Let the chaos begin.
Having one highly paid receiver in Lockett and then surrounding him with day 3 picks, bargain bin FAs, and UDFAs, is one way you can pay the big 4.
Yup. Now that we are paying OL, we’ve got to save somewhere. What positions do you think?
Seems like for right now, its DB, TE. But once the DL gets paid, we’re gonna have to save somewhere else as well. I think WR is a good option. If Doug moves on, that’s close to Reed’s money there.
Good question.
Probably WR, CB.
Seattle has shown a perchance for being able to develop CBs, which is one of the most overpaid positions on the football field. They have saved a bunch of money over time this way, enabling splurges on TE, WR and QB 😉
I think they will be more active with WR this year as far as the draft. I love a Doug Baldwin but they need to find slot guy for his position going forward. the 3 you talked about just are no slot guys. I have a theory that Seattle wasn’t just at WV to watch Will Grier but they was looking at Brandon Sills V WR WV. This guy is the perfect play action pass guys who looks like a true position WR for a number 2 WR. In fact he’s one of my mock draft pick. The slot I think I can get later and that’s John Ursua WR Hawaii.
Who is Turner
Malik Turner, a rookie last year, on the practice squad and active roster.
JS said there will likely be a good player at 21 after saying this is the best DL class he’s seen in his near 30 year career.
What if they stay at 21 for one of these D-lineman and use their 2020 comp picks?
I didnt want to be one who will write that, and then read Rob’s answer there is 0% chance for that. :))))
Yep… and I’ll keep saying it.
For starters you can’t spend picks you don’t have. And right now the Seahawks are only ‘projected’ to have 2020 comp picks.
And after two years of being absolutely desperate with a low number of picks… there is NO WAY they’re going to use the 2020 stock to extend the problem into next year.
They aren’t staying at 21.
We all know this.
Plus, saying that there will be a good player at 21 could just be trying to boost the trade value of that pick too.
I agree with this…I just think it is 10% and not 0% they will stay at 21′
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And that 10% are – top 5 player from ther board is available at 21 + there isnt reasonable compensation for potential trade…
There isnt good enough offer for trade…
“For starters you can’t spend picks you don’t have. And right now the Seahawks are only ‘projected’ to have 2020 comp picks.” Rob
The projections are pretty accurate though. It’s a safe bet the Hawks get 4 comp picks, in rounds 3,4,6,7. There’s room to sign another cheap vet without affecting the comp picks. While those picks cannot be traded until they are awarded, JS can bank on getting them. Thus the native 2020 picks become more liquid. Meaning if JS traded a 2020 3rd or 4th we wouldn’t have a huge hole in the draft. Personally I’d be more surprised if JS didn’t trade a 2020 pick for a 2019 pick.
The projections are very accurate. But you can’t hand in a card that says, ‘The Seahawks trade a pick that Over The Cap.com is predicting they will have in 2020’.
The Seahawks trading a 3rd or 4th rounder next year to pick in rounds four or five this year is just way off IMO. Only today Schneider is talking about how great it is to have 11 picks next year. They can trade down from #21 to replenish their board.
Been there, done that. 😁
https://seahawksdraftblog.com/things-i-think-about-the-seahawks-15th-march#comment-430887
I’m with rob. Too many needs, not enough picks.
Only player that would justify us staying is Rashan Gary, but that will never happen.
I’m 99% with you guys about a trade will happen, but…just to talk about every angle:
1, PCJS says there are no big needs, so it’s not like we have ton of needs, so we want x picks to fill those needs
2, They also want to strengthen the run D and passrush
3, This is a good DL class
4, The difference is significant between the top 10-15 front 7 prospect and the rest of these guys
They might want:
TE, Safety, WR, DT, DE/EDGE, CB
I think they are fine with late WR currently and late CB
If they trade back a 5th to a 6th and 7th they could fill WR and CB
They need to pick Safety in the 3rd, hopefully a guy like Amani Hooker would be there.
They probably can pick a TE in the 4th
That leaves us with DL:
If one of these guys would be there at 21st, they might stay and pick him:
Quinnen Williams (DT, Alabama)
Nick Bosa (DE, Ohio State)
Rashan Gary (DE, Michigan)
Dexter Lawrence (DT, Clemson)
Ed Oliver (DT, Houston)
Montez Sweat (EDGE, Mississippi State)
Clelin Ferrell (DE, Clemson)
Christian Wilkins (DT, Clemson)
Josh Allen (EDGE, Kentucky)
That’s nine guys. And there are other guys who’ll probably be top15-20 (the top 2-3 QB, maybe 1-2 WR if someone has a crush and draft one too early, maybe the top RB, a couple of OL, Hock and Fant). So although I feel these guys will be in the top20 and even if one would fall a bit we would trade back…
There is a possibility that one of these guys could up still on the board when we pick @21.
I would take out a couple of guys, but maybe one of these guys would be still up if we trade back 5-7 positions:
Dexter Lawrence (DT, Clemson)
Ed Oliver (DT, Houston)
Christian Wilkins (DT, Clemson)
That would be pretty cool. Trading back 5-6 spots, picking up a 4th for example, selecting maybe Lawrence, getting Hooker in the 3rd, pick up maybe Foster Moreau in the 4th, trade back the other 4th into 5th and picking up a 6th for that. With the first 5th round pick, select Hollins for EDGE, other 5th round pick get a WR (no idea who could be a target in this range), and with the 6th round pick select Derrek Thomas for CB
1st: Lawrence – DT
3rd: Hooker – S/nCB
4th: Moreau – TE
5th: Hollins – EDGE
5th: some WR
6th: Thomas – CB
This would be sick
“I have something valuable. This is worth a lot. You should want pick 21”
Good to hear from you after long time. I hope you are right on keeping Clark and Wilson and sign them before July.
No more distraction
Interesting note on Sweezy:
Ravens trade Earl Thomas to 49ers for first and second rounds draft picks! Now we got to face him and Sherman twice a year? Boooo!!
No they didn’t? What’s your source?
😂 I can’t believe it…
whoosh!
Haha wow I totally forgot, you got me. In fairness that’s not really a thing here.
In further news it was reported that Pete Carroll is in discussions with Golden State’s Stephen Curry to play next fall. Pete said in a recent press conference, “he knows how to run the floor and he has made a lot of interceptions. He will be a perfect slot cornerback for the Seahawks. Our biggest problem will be convincing him not to pass the ball to a teammate breaking for the end zone.”
I need a green leprechaun emoji or something!!!
I’ll give it a shot, not sure how it will turn out on here:
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With skills like that – you can get a high paying job in Washington. Cute!!! I’ll take the beer in hand over the imaginary pot of gold.
Solari at Washington pro day.
And Taylor Rapp with a 4.7 40
Tough to know for sure w/ hand-timed 40s and how much misinformation is spread at this time of the season. I clocked him at 4.56
He plays faster than 4.7, but there’s multiple sources reporting he ran in the 4.7’s.
Still a top 40 pick though. Everybody in this class is. UDFA starts around the 60th pick or so after all the comps get factored in. 😉
Overrated player.
Shocker, UW player over hyped and runs slow as molasses and wont be a good pro.
I mean… COME ON…. they are right fricking next door to UW.
If they weren’t at the pro day, then I would suspect something was up.
I’m still thinking the TE Sample is a guy to keep an eye on during the later rounds.
Perhaps he could be a bit of a FB/TE project as well. He can block, so he has that going for him.
Could Seattle be interested in OT Caleb McGary? He is a good run blocker, with huge hands and wingspan. He is also a top 10 in SPARQ score for the 2019 OL class. (insert wTEF scores here). I’m seeing round 4 projection on him, which would be a good upside value pick imo. Biggest knock I can find on him is his age, 24+. He has experience at RT and I could see him maybe sliding inside to OG if needed in a pinch.
Kaleb McGary has really short arms. He’s athletic but not special enough to warrant wasting a pick on when we already have two starting quality right tackles.
Drafted him would make less than zero sense, endless we move him to guard. And even then it would make very little sense when we already have Iupati, Simmons Pocic and Fluker.
One site lists his arm length as 33.6″ and his wingspan over 80″…. that doesn’t sound short to me. He is not a T-Rex at least.
The main point is we just don’t have a spot for him.
He has 32 7/8″ arms and 79.75 wingspan. Combine measurements.
Delano is starting SS next year, you can place a bet on that. Every single time in their public interviews PC and JS spoke so positively about him. Today on question from who he expect to improve most next season, JS first mention Hill. And then after pause he added some other name like T2, Green, Penny, Moore…
Hope he does. Flashed a ton the last quarter of the season or so.
Agreed. Hill looked like he turned the corner until he got hurt.
Agree with you guys on Hill, I thought it looked like he would finish the year starting until he got hurt. That was one of last seasons best surprises>biggest bummers was his arrival then injury.
Delano Hill, Tedric Thompson, Nick Vannet, Naz Jones and CJ Procise. All former third round / early fourth round picks that just haven’t really shown up fully yet. Let’s hope everyone helps to justify those picks this season. Wish we had hung on to Reed Odhimabo for longer because he could be nice depth at guard.
Yes, when they do this and promote flowers to LCB, the secondary will be better than last season
Aaron Lynch back to Bears on 1yr deal.
Great! I didn’t want him anywhere near this team. Super average player.
The most interesting thing JS said today is that they started with 1200 ayers, now they are on the 300 and on the draft knight they will have big board with 150 talents.
He has mentioned this in years past.
Some players flat out do not make the cut for various reasons.
Scouts have an amazing job, trying to project a player into the NFL…. year 1 – year 5.
They must have a quality network established now, since they have been mostly intact, since JSPC showed up in town.
Rob what do you think of bringing C.J. Anderson from last years Rams I think he fill for a departed Mike Davis? I think Mckinsec takes Prosise place and I like the idea of a big physical back for my 3rd RBs. He’s only 28 years old.
It’s possible I suppose — although they might prefer to simply add a later round or UDFA type for cost purposes. I’ve always liked Anderson and he played a role for the Rams last season. Any signing like that now is probably going to be after the draft though.
7th round or UDRFA is very likely. The savings realized is a legit part of the salary cap equation.
They have had some success bringing in these type of guys in the past, no reason to change now.
I’m happy Mike Davis found a home. Quality player who never quite got a fair shake in SF.
Update — Anderson just signed a one-year deal with the Lions.
Pretty good signing right there. Great fit.
We just can’t afford him. Good player though.
Eyy thank you for making my work day better with this thought provoking dialogue. You and Brandon are a good podcast team.
Thanks for listening!
I’m not a Brady fan but….
“Brady fakes retirement after joining Twitter”
….is an instant classic.
Woulda caught a block from me real quick.
Eric Berry to Cleveland for Ogbah. Interesting ‘trading extra parts’ kind of trade.
It’s Eric Murray not Eric Berry
Good trade for Kansas City, Reid was able to get through to another lazy but talented stud in Chris Jones.
I know nothing about Murray though.
If I was Cleveland I’d want to keep Ogbah.
I never thought Chris Jones was ever lazy coming out of college but I agree nice trade as there is basically no downside.
Jones really didn’t produce much in college but in the pros he’s an absolute terror.
No clue why.
I was a big fan of his coming out of college and talked about him a lot here on the blog with Vol 12. He had an incredible athletic profile and showed flashes in college. A little like Gary at Michigan this year on that the scheme he played did not let him show all his talents and he constantly faced double teams.
I think another Miss St DT Jeffery Simmons will be another star DT in a year or two as well once he recovers from the ACL. I know the Hawks never take injured players but I think he would be an absolutely steal at the end of Rd #1 or early Rd#2. His tape is off the charts good IMO. He was a man playing against boys in the SEC and will be even better in a pro scheme. Imagine Simmons and Reed as your two base DT with Poona rotating.
You were as high as anybody on Chris Jones through the process, but I personally thought he needed the right coaching staff to produce the way he has (and was always capable of)
You are right Kenny the right scheme and coaching staff is key for a lot of these guys. I think of a guy like Danielle Hunter. Coming out he was so raw and he landed in the perfect situation with Mike Zimmer and now he is a star. If he goes somewhere else his career is totally different.
If I was a QB I would want to be drafted by Andy Reid, OL or LB drafted by the Pats, DB drafted by the Hawks, DL by the Vikings, WR the Steelers. Some teams just keep pumping out stars ar certain positions.
Kenny glad to see you back more on the Blog the last month you were missed. Someone to keep my irrational exuberance in check sometimes.
Yeah I wasn’t able to watch much cfb this season but now that some cut-ups are more available I’ve actually got an opinion on these guys now.
Hard to believe Ben Banogu going top 60 for example
Yeah Bangou looks like the classic great athlete but not so great football player who will get over drafted because of his testing numbers. Happens every year as you know. Then some other guys who can flat out ball drop because they ran a 4.5 instead of a 4.4.
Full disclosure when it comes to college football I’m a UW fan.
But I’m not a blind homer for their players as pros. I want Uw players to be good pros but I don’t want the Seahawks to draft anyone just because they’re from UW. I’d rather they go to a team that fits them the best and sets them up for the best chance to succeed.
It’s funny to see all the Husky/Seahawks fans clamor for Taylor Rapp. It’s not going to happen. Pete Carroll is not going to draft a safety who runs a 4.77 40 anywhere before round 6 or 7. And Rapp will room badly go round 2 or 3.
I’m not a huge Rapp fan. I think he’s a smart player but he’s not really that hard of a hitter or even that spectacular making plays on the ball. He’s decent. But with that 40 time? Pass.
I’m a UW fan too but also see the limitations or non scheme fit of some of those guys that many want to play for the Hawks. Rapp doesn’t have the elite speed they need in the secondary, Gaines has very short arms, and while I love McGary and his toughness he also has small arms. I think Drew Sample would be the only one of the crop I’d take because of his ideal frame, measurables, and scheme fit.
“Gaines has watched his draft stock take off since the Senior Bowl and I’m told the hometown Seattle Seahawks like Gaines and have their eye on him.” Tony Pauline
rewatching senior bowl practice and Gains and Byron Cowart really stand out in a good way. Cowart is a former 5 star recruit with good size. Anyone have any thoughts on him?
I really like Gaines but given the Seahawks haven’t drafted a DL with sub-33 inch arms it would be a bit of a surprise to see them get a guy with 31 3/4 inch arms.
A player I think is getting slept on is Clemson’s Austin Bryant.
Lost in the greatness of the Clemson Dline, and missed the combine with injuries.
He’d really good value for a 2nd or 3rd round defensive end.
I think we’re going to get 3 prime time games this year. The Browns, Ravens and Saints. Russ vs Jackson, Russ vs Mayfield, and Russ vs Brees.
Rams, Niners, Vikings, Steelers and Falcons could be too. I think we’ll get at least 3.
And the Eagles and Panthers If Arizona gets Murray that’s another possibility.
Really the only ones I couldn’t see getting a primetime spot are Tampa and Cincy.
https://imgur.com/a/gvxS7iq
I made draft big board for first 3 rounds. I will update it before draft with board spots and grades from few analists.
Should I add some players? Rapp with 4.74 40y? Amani Hooker, Gerald Willis?
Last year I made same question, and asked “maybe I should add Penny” and at the end I didnt have him on final board.
Are the players in order? If so then:
Not sure about Wesco, I might put him higher a bit. Other teams might not see him as valuable but he could jump into 3 positions pretty soon for us: He could be a FB after a short while, a Y-TE and he could also take Fant’s job.
I also feel Samia is a bit higher…maybe that’s just because of Rob 😀
The top safeties for me: 1, Savage 2, CGJ 3, Thornhill 4, Hooker 5, Adderley 6, Thompson
I don’t know if this board contains only guys who might be available? If yes then I feel you can take Hockenson and Wilkins off. If all the guys then:
From the DTs Quinnen Williams, Ed Oliver are missing.
From the 5T Bosa, Gary, Ferrell
From the LEO Josh Allen
And I’d put Jaylon Ferguson in the LEO. And maybe Winovich…I know, has short hands, etc… But late 3rd round I feel like he could be a value pick if rest of the guys (Collier, Miller, Omenihu, Allen, Saunders, etc…the 3rd round guys) are taken. Oh yeah, I’d also add Ximines to 5T
No, they are not in order. I will choose one of big board (probably arif hasan consensus board) and plac them in order by that board.
Yes, this board contains only guys who might be available.
I think there is a slight chance Hockenson and Wilkins will be there at 21.
Imo Ferguson pro day results are so bad that he is completely of board for seahawks, or maybe potential pick in later rounds.
I don’t see Winovich as fit for seahawks.
Here is scenario where Hockenson or Wilkins are available at 21.
QB-Murray, Lock, Haskins and maybe Jones (Ari, NYG, Mia, Den)
DT-Quinen, Oliver, Gary
Edge-Bosa, Allen, Sweat, Burns, Ferrel
LB-White, Bush
OL-Taylor, Williams, Ford , Dilard (NYG, Bills, Car, Min, Jax)
CB-Murphy, Greedy
WR-Matckalf
There is 21 player. Plus one of Wilkins or Hockenson..
Maybe for some teams Fant is higher than T.J. Maybe there is team that will pick C or G in top 20 (last year it happened). (Bradbury, McCoy, Lindstrom).
I know chances aren’t that big but it is possible.
I think there is 0% for Quinen,, Oliver, Bosa, Gary or Allen.
Maybe I should add Ferrel to my board. He has that slight chances like T.J or Wilkins.
OJ Howard was TOP 5 or TOP 10 player on most boards and he was 19th pick.
Possible adds: S-Marvell Tell, possibly Hooker
WR – AJ Brown
LEO – Jachai Polite
Tell has been talked about plenty here. Brown looks like one of the best WR’s in this class to me. I’m surprised we haven’t talked about him more. He was always getting open and had a 85 catch 1320 yard season last year. People are enamored with DK Metcalf, but I would take his teammate if I’m on the clock.
Polite seems like the kind of guy that PCJS target with their first pick. Potential difference maker (‘activity problem makers’ per Pete). He’s a bit like Malik, which I know isn’t a glowing comp. If they think that their logic was sound I could see them trying to catch Polite in a draft day fall. Rob made some great points about him in the podcast. He tried to put on too much weight, and needs to be playing around where he was at Florida.
I’m not advocating for taking Polite, but he does share a lot of traits that PCJS have looked for in top picks, so I think we need to keep him in mind.
Nice work on the board. Thanks for putting in the time and sharing!
Polite could be someone they target later if he drops and they sense value. But a slow, short armed, small pass rusher with their first pick seems unlikely IMO — regardless of the consequences. Let’s not forget McDowell still had an incredible combine work out. But if Polite drops they may believe they can get him right.
I know his 40 was bad, but I watched some of his tape and he sure doesn’t look slow to me.
I agree that he’s pretty slight of build, but so was Irvin. They are same height/build but Irvin had 3/4 inch longer arms. Polite was actually 13 pounds heavier, but as you mentioned probably shouldn’t have been.
I admittedly trust for you to address the measurables and trends associated for each position. 3/4 of an inch doesn’t seem like much to me, but maybe it is a big deal to the Hawks. I just know he looks fast and disruptive on tape and was going against the best tackles in college. He also forced 6 fumbles and we know Pete loves TO’s.
Just seems like John could explain away a lot of the red flags: Put on bad weight for the combine, pulled a hammy as a result, bad interview but he was nervous or unprepared.
Since 2010 the Seahawks haven’t drafted a player like this with their first pick and have stuck to a trend (great traits and athleticism) that steers us down a certain path. If Polite tumbles they might consider him. First pick? Highly unlikely based on what we have been able to establish about this front office.
Fair enough. The list he put together was for potential targets in the first 3 rounds, so that was my thought. Another name to consider, as you mention, if he falls.
Any thoughts on AJ Brown? If we were to take a WR with our first pick, I think he looks the part. Great YAC, great hands, good route runner, great numbers in the SEC. Not necessarily blazing speed, but ran a 4.49 at the combine at 226 lbs.
I like Brown as a big slot. Not sure the Seahawks are a fit for him. They want to take shots downfield and make chunk plays. Brown more a fit for the offenses that chip away. Wins short area, has some size but not a downfield burner.
Thanks Rob. I could see the Pats taking him for sure, in that role.
I’m worried that Doug isn’t going to be right again. 3 different injuries that required surgery this offseason is bad news. That’s why I think Brown could be a good replacement. He’s only 21 years old as well.
Terry Maclaurin is the other WR I get excited about. I would be pretty pumped about either of those guys. Maybe Deebo Samuel or Riley Ridley?
I don’t think that we target one of the big WR’s (Metcalf, Harry, Whiteside) due to where we would need to take them and their lack of separation skills. They are more contested catch/throw to the even if they’re covered guys.
Marquis Brown seems redundant to Lockett in skill set. Paris Campbell seems like a fun player, but he’ll not a true WR1.
I have to think WR will be one of our first 2 picks considering the current state of our receivers.
McLaurin is a Seahawk type. Deebo I can see but I’m not totally convinced by his downfield ability. Ridley most definitely not. At least not early. And I don’t think Brown is a fit for their style.
McLaurin definitely has explosive traits. His highlight reel is great.
He seems to catch the ball with his body a lot and he only had 35 catches last season though (just under 3 catches per game!).
I wouldn’t read to much into the number of catches. Urban Meyer’s offense has never been any good for receiver production.
Pauline reporting that Seattle has serious interest in Greg Gaines. Day 3 pick? His 31 3/4 arms are surely out of their comfort zone. But for a fifth or sixth round pick? Could be a nice pairing with Poona Ford.
Hm I could I see it, but it would just make sense for them to check out all the local UW prospects anyways, so I don’t think you can read too much into it.
Gaines is ok but he’s undersized and doesn’t have that elite quickness other undersized nfl Defensive linemen have. He also lacks length. I like him as a person but I don’t want the Seahawks spending a precious draft pick on him. If he slips to UDFA sure bring him in to compete.
Don’t necessarily disagree, but Tony Pauline has a rather sterling track record of picking “our guys.”
When? 4 years ago?
Missed on Ty Samnrailo, Isaiah Oliver, Garrett Bolles.
He didn’t miss on Bolles or Sambrailo. Both were taken before Seattle’s first pick.
I really like Tony Pauline. Think he’s probably the best insider in the business, but he has in no way nailed Seattle’s picks.
He has a track record on reporting who they’re interested in. Who among us ever had unknown Terry Poole on the radar? Tony called that, and several others. Not a 100% track record but when he speaks we should listen.
And you said he missed on Bolles and Sambrailo. Both were picked before Seattle ever got on the clock.
Who they’re interested in and who they actually pick are different no?
Never said we shouldn’t listen, but his word isn’t gospel either.
He said they were targeting them. And we’ll never know if they were or not because they weren’t on the board when they picked. You can’t use those two guys as an example of him being wrong.
Ok. Throw those 2 out the window. What picks, selections, etc. has he nailed?
He’s nailed plenty, including Terry Poole who nobody talked about.
Not sure why you’re going down this path.
What path? That I disagree he’s ‘nailed picks?’ That’s awesome he got Terry Poole right.
He’s done a great job of reporting who they’ve had interest in. I’m sure he would tell you that that in no way means it’s nailed on. Pick confirmed. There’s a big difference.
The path that is being nitpicky about Tony Pauline.
You listed Bolles and Sambrailo as things he got wrong but that wasn’t the case at all. Tony is great and has done a very good job over the years helping us identify players the Seahawks like. Terry Poole is one, Rees Odhiambo was another. Two players we wouldn’t immediately think would be on their radar but were.
I feel he could be a big steal.
Yeah, has some limitations…that’s why he won’t be a top 3-4 round guy. But he’s not that far away from a second or third round guy based on his stats. Getting him in the 6th round would be a good value pick.
Agree. 5-6 round seems like good value for Gaines. Have you seen much of his tape? I just finished watching the Auburn game and came away impressed with his initial burst and general motor. He also seemed to have excellent gap integrity—I can see why he was such a highly-rated run stuffer.
I’d pass on Gaines. I loved him at UW but his lack of length and quickness are definitely at odds with the types of guys they pick, even in UDFA. Think of Poona Ford last year. Yeah he is short but has great arm length and elite quickness. They need another run stuffer but I hope it’s more of a 6’3″+ 315lb+ kind of guy.
But, but… ‘His arm length! Aarrgghh!’
I think that Christian Miller and Deiont Tompson will run 40y today.
You wonder who might have the faster time. Thompson should smoke him but Im not sure he does.
Going back to the Rashan Gary talk for a second. Man what a perfect RDE 5Tech would that guy be on our defense? I know it aint happening but one can dream…lol
This stat is crazy.
Defenders this century with a sub 4.65 40 and sub 7 3 cone that weigh 250 or more.
Montez Sweat
Chase Winovich
Harold Landry
Leighton Vander Each
Brian Udlacher
DeMarcus Ware
Cliff Avril
Justin Houston
Jerry Hughes
Connor Barwin
Jason Worilds
Jordan Willis
Mark Anderson
Winovich is going to look good in New England, Detroit or Miami.
Agree completely about NE. I have him mocked to them every time I try a 2 round mock. He is Teddy Bruschi 2.0 and has Patriot written all over him.
Here is something to think about. The last four years of BCS championships have been won by either the Clemson Tigers or the Alabama Crimson Tide. How many players do the Seahawks have on their current roster from those two championship winning teams? How many of those players were drafted by the Seahawks?
The only names that I have dug up are Fluker and Scarbrough. Neither were drafted by the Seahawks.
Isn’t it interesting how we argue about player stats instead of discussing players who were already been chosen and trained for championship football? I would like more consideration given to players from those two teams.
That was a Tim Ruskell trait. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn’t.
My preference would be that is far down the list of things to consider. Maybe teams considering that was why for instance a Bobby Wagner from woeful Utah State was available to them in 2012. Maybe not.
Jarran Reed?
Yes- Reed is a good example of the quality players you can get from their program.
Imagine thinking Jachai Polite and Chase Winovich are seahawks targets
RW and Seatttle have started to engage in talks about an extension- 710 ESPN Jake Heaps
Baylor CB Derrek Thomas has a VMAC visit.
What are you thoughts on Thomas? he has the look of a Hawks CB but his tape was really inconsistent from what I saw. Definitely has the physical tools IMO. Another former WR.
Did he do a short shuttle or 3 cone at his pro day?
Volume12 says:
February 11, 2019 at 11:20 am
Can’t wait to see this dude at the combine. Baylor CB Derrek Thomas (6’3, 190-195 lbs.).
Former WR, transfer from Temple. For playing only 1 season in the wide open BIG 12 he acquitted himself very well. Held one of the more explosive 2020 WR prospects in check. Top 75 talent Tylan Wallace, OK St.
This is a really cool highlight. Very different.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bb_4-fg-70U
Watched a bit more and his physicality left a lot to be desired, but he offers a lot to work with. Moves really well. I feel like him picking up and learning the corner position of rather taking to it so quickly says a lot about him.
No agility #’s that I know of.
Bradley McDougald vs Evan Worthington Comparison
McDougald 2013 Combine
6’1″ 215 lbs
Bench Press 19.0 reps
40 Yard Dash 4.74 Secs
20 Yard Shuttle 4.44 secs
Vertical Jump 34.5 inches
Broad Jump 122.0 inches
3 Cone Drill 7.07 secs
Evan Worthington 2019 Combine
6’2″ 212 lbs
Bench Press 17.0 reps
40 Yard Dash 4.63 Secs (ran 4.55 at Colorado Pro Day)
20 Yard Shuttle 4.37 secs
Vertical Jump 33.5 inches
Broad Jump 121.0 inches
3 Cone Drill 7.07 secs
That is crazy how close they are in testing. Have to remember the Hawks never draft Mcdouglad however.
Right, McDougald wasn’t drafted…was an UDFA signed by the Chiefs, then released and Tampa picked him up. He was a FS coming out of Kansas and his numbers for that position were not good. But when you look at him now and how he plays, he’s a true hybrid safety that can play multiple roles well. I think we are going to see more and more of this type of player in the NFL. And Worthington fits that profile very well – has the athleticism and size to play multiple roles and also has the ball skills too.
I can see the Hawks safety group with McDougald, Hill, T2, Luani and Worthington in 2019…lot’s of versatility there! And Akeem King might get some looks there as well – he’s pretty versatile.
Akeem King
6’3″ 212 lbs
Pro Day Results
40-yard dash: 4.41 seconds
Vertical jump: 37 1/2 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet, 2 inches
Short shuttle: 4.38 seconds
3-cone: 7.08 seconds
Bench: 20 reps of 225 pounds
Sorry, King is 6’1″ 215 lbs
RW sets a date of April 15 to get a deal done