Open thread: Falcons vs Seahawks (plus trade talk)

October 27th, 2019 | Written by Rob Staton

The comments section has been pretty active during games this season so I’m starting an open thread this week.

Before kick off you might want to comment on reports via Mike Garofolo (through Ian Rapoport) that Rashaad Penny could be traded before the deadline on Tuesday.

I touched on this subject on Friday. So far, it just hasn’t worked for Penny. He’s had injuries and doesn’t seem to be adjusting to Seattle’s scheme. Chris Carson has separated as the clear starter. If an attractive offer became available, it makes sense to see what’s out there.

Detroit reportedly tried to trade for Penny during the 2018 draft immediately after the Seahawks made the pick. They just lost Kerryon Johnson to IR. Could they be a prime candidate to make a move? The Seahawks already made a deal with the Lions this week for Quandre Diggs.

If the Seahawks did trade Penny, they’d need to add a running back. They can’t rely on C.J. Prosise as the primary backup. With Mike Davis on the periphery in Chicago, it’d make complete sense to try and bring him back to Seattle. He’s a great scheme fit, he was productive and he’d be cheap. The Bears aren’t using him. It might take as little as a 2021 seventh rounder or some kind of conditional pick.

What could they get for Penny? Realistically they shouldn’t expect more than a third rounder. That would be fair for a player only 18 months removed from being a first rounder with no tread on the tires. He also has good club control for 2-3 more seasons.

It’s also worth keeping an eye on Tre Flowers. He’s not playing today with a neck stinger. Seahawks fans know how damaging they can be (Kam, Cliff).

With Darius Slay not playing for Detroit today, could they swap Slay for Penny? It’d be a more realistic proposition if the Lions had depth at corner. Sadly, they don’t. So unless they trade for Aqib Talib (who is reportedly available), it’s possibly unlikely. Adam Schefter is reporting that Slay could be available but it’d be a costly trade. They’d have to really like Penny to make that deal.

In other news, Adam Schefter is reporting that Austin Hooper will not be traded by Atlanta. Scratch his name off the list of targets. The Bengals reportedly want a third rounder for Tyler Eifert which is a total nonsense and they won’t get anything like that. O.J. Howard isn’t playing today and remains a realistic target (but the price is likely to be high).

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182 Responses to “Open thread: Falcons vs Seahawks (plus trade talk)”

  1. Valentts says:

    Penny and draft picks for Lions, maybe a 1st and a 4th? Slay’s contract is a good one, basically no guaranteed money for Seahawks’ if they trade for him. But imo, the only realistic situation that trade would come through is that Tre Flowers’s neck injury is not optimistic, and Seahawks don’t have any kind of depth in CB now.

    • Rob Staton says:

      There’s no chance whatsoever of getting a first and a fourth for Penny.

      They’d be fortunate to get a R3.

      • Valentts says:

        I mean Seattle will use Penny as a part of deal for Slay…

        • Rob Staton says:

          Slay isn’t worth a R1, R4 AND a player.

          I’d only do the deal for a R3. He’s 29 in January.

          • Valentts says:

            Age is not a definite down factor for CB now, and Slay is still playing at Pro-Bowler level. I don’t think Lions would settle for only a R3 pick, but Penny and a R3 comp pick would do it. (They say that R3 comp pick is tradable now, right?)

  2. I am so afraid for Tre future. This what Rob said, we know how it ended with Kam’s and Clif’s stingers.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Tre is a lot younger though so hopefully will be able to heal up faster/better. We’ll see what PC says about how serious it might be.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I’m hoping they’re just not risking him against an offense led by Matt Schaub.

      But as soon as ‘neck stinger’ was mentioned I feared the worst.

  3. Sea Mode says:

    Thanks for the open thread. Great idea!

    Pasting my comment from the end of last thread, in case it can be of help to anyone:

    Just a heads up for anyone in Europe who changed their clocks last night: remember that in the USA they don’t change until tonight, so games start an hour earlier than you might be expecting with the regular time difference.

    Seahawks game starts in 45 min.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I once missed the first quarter of the San Fran vs Denver London game at Wembley because I forgot it kicked off at 5pm instead of 6pm due to the clocks going forward.

      Was with my wife and brother… we realised on the subway to Wembley what we’d done.

      • Sea Mode says:

        Oooh, bummer!

        I think I tuned in late last year to watch the Seahawks game when this happened. I’m just so used to seeing EST on and automatically adding +6 for CET.

      • Al Ussher says:

        I hope you didn’t miss the Tebow rushing touchdown! Tebow v Troy Smith… good times.

  4. GawksAtHawks says:

    How about penny and a second rounder for O.J. Howard?

  5. DC says:

    Interesting that Prosise is inactive, potential trade for him and not apenny?

    • Rob Staton says:

      Maybe. But Mike Garafolo doesn’t report speculation and he’s saying a Penny deal is possible. There’s been nothing on Prosise.

      • Simo says:

        Prosise has no value, unless the Hawks need a bag of footballs. Penny still has that feel of promise and untapped potential. May as well trade him if they aren’t going to use him!

        • JimQ says:

          I agree that Penny isn’t being used as much as he should, his less than 6 carries per game average, mostly in the form of inside runs is a prime example of NOT using a player to his strengths & trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. IF Carson is hurt again, which can be reasonably possible, then what? Put Prosise, Homer or some FA scrub in? It would seem to me that if PC wants to continue his run first system, he’ll need both Carson and Penny to find much success. What ever happened to RB’s 1A & 1B Pete?

  6. Kingdome1976 says:

    I still think in the right system Penny can flourish. How about Penny and Flowers straight up for Slay and maybe throw in a 6th rounder or something?

    • drewdawg11 says:

      This is the exact opposite of “straight up”.

    • Simo says:

      I like the idea of trying to get Slay, he’s a proven top CB in this league. But I think trading both Penny and Flowers for him is to steep. Both are on good rookie contracts and they are still young, growing into their potential.

      Maybe do this trade if the Lions give us back our 5th from the Diggs trade.

  7. Rob Staton says:

    Seahawks game is live on Dubai TV. Lovely stuff.

    Now just got to hope it doesn’t wake the kids up.

  8. Volume12 says:

    These Falcon unis are spicy!

  9. Volume12 says:

    Uh oh

    • Sea Mode says:

      Ah crap

    • Simo says:

      More offensive line injuries! One constant this season.

      • Rob Staton says:

        Hard to see what Britt did there. Wasn’t obvious. And he walked off the field, no cart — yet looked like he was in serious pain on the floor.

        • CHawk Talker Eric says:

          Got rolled up on by a Falcons DLer

          • Sea Mode says:

            I didn’t see that at all on replay. Just saw him engaged blocking and his left knee give out as he wrestled.

        • Milwaukee Hawk says:

          Instant crumbling of knee=instability. Suspect ACL. Guys walks off with ACL tears all the time. Sucks. As much as I respect Joey Hunt, his physical limitations are a real bummer. Wish Pocic wasn’t out for the year as would be interesting to see how he would respond to being a center vs guard or tackle similar to how Britt didn’t flourish until taking over the center spot.

  10. DC says:

    What a waste of a timeout.

  11. McZ says:

    Penny runs directly into Britt’s legs, and gone is Britt.

    • McZ says:

      And really, all this talk about adding just another player. Please…. we have 6-7 players upfront, that are able run defenders. Some of them are pro bowl calibre. And still, we are crap as hell against the run.

      Can we try to fix a thing, that has nothing to do with players and talent, by coaching?! Or changes in coaching?

  12. Aaron says:

    Per the broadcasters, Britt is out with a left knee injury

  13. Volume12 says:

    What. A. Play.

  14. Volume12 says:

    God damn Carson runs hard.

  15. Volume12 says:

    Moore has to finish some of these opportunities.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Moore is sending a message in this game so far that “I am replaceable”.

      If they’re not sold on Jennings they need to take one of these red hot receivers in the draft.

      Ruggs, Smith, Raegor, Hamler — all would be electrifying in this offense.

      • Volume12 says:

        I agree.

        Love Hamler. One of my favorite prospects. Not that I dont like the others.

      • Sea Mode says:

        Hopefully, he’ll be one of those guys who can break out in year 3. But either way, one of those speedsters is a must.

    • Simo says:

      Would be nice, but he’s a Jag. Can’t expect to much really.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Looks like they’ve game planned to target Isaiah Oliver. The throws and routes haven’t been on the money so far, but we’ll see if it pays off later in the game to keep going at him.

    • Hawks4life says:

      Been thinking the same thing, hes been given plenty of opportunities and been coming up empty far to often. Almost looks as if hes looking for a PI call similar to flopping in the NBA

  16. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    There we go. Nice punt by Dickson. Great hang time

  17. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Notwithstanding that holding penalty Hunt is a right decent backup center. Valuable

  18. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Oh dear I hope my previous comment didn’t jinx Griffin

  19. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    You don’t expect to see Clowney slip on AstroTurf

  20. Volume12 says:

    Blair has been a missile so far

  21. Simo says:

    Hawks looking a very average team so far! Still no pass rush to speak of, wonder when that’s going to come on?

    • Volume12 says:

      Would love if they could get Yannick Ngakoue, but IDK if there’s any truth to the rumors of him being on the block.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I’m not having a go at the pass rush so far. Clowney hammered Schaub right before he got a pass off to Julio who showed why he’s so hard to cover. He’s a freak. Atlanta are moving him out of the pocket and giving him check downs.

      Seahawks can easily adjust to this. Patience people.

    • Aaron says:

      It’s not going to be fixed until the draft and FA this offseason.

  22. Volume12 says:

    Shanked her!

  23. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Darn that indoor crosswind 🙄

  24. Volume12 says:

    Penny looking good. East-West type runner.

  25. Simo says:

    Penny showing out a bit before the big trade?

  26. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Nice cutback by Penny and he finished by lowering into the defender. Two in a row!

  27. StickyIcky says:

    I wouldn’t trade Penny for anything less than a Mid 2nd value. Also we have to have something brewing with our Miami rookie RB

  28. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Wilson + Lockett = Wilson + ADB

  29. Volume12 says:

    DK bay-bay!

  30. Volume12 says:

    Dammit! Seattle had a chance to put this away with a stop there.

  31. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Kendricks! Need those TOs

  32. Gohawk5151 says:

    Haha BASE D!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Great play Kendricks

  33. Volume12 says:

    ‘Little big guys?’ Is that the same as ‘skinny fat?’

  34. Hawks4life says:

    Carson is a freak!!!

  35. Volume12 says:

    Run through a mother f***ers face mask! My goodness

  36. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    That’s a Beastmode type run

  37. Volume12 says:

    Penny= East-West

  38. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    That’s how you use Penny

    • icb12 says:


      This is what I personally had in mind for using a penny/Carson combo as far as calling runs that play to each strength.

    • Volume12 says:

      lmao. He tried lowering his shoulder on that dude in the end zone.

    • Simo says:

      Yes he is!! And the fumbling issue is a thing of the past, never to be remembered again! Penny is also showing well today. If he’s going to be traded nice to show some potential.

  39. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    Barton in for KJ

  40. Volume12 says:

    Noooo! That was a pick 6.

  41. WALL UP says:

    Barton in for KJ. Good to get PA for Barton. Hopefully KJ isn’t injured badly.

  42. Volume12 says:

    What a catch

  43. Volume12 says:

    Metcalf. What happened my dude?

  44. Paul Cook says:

    We’re finally doing to a weaker team what we should be doping to weaker teams. Beating them down.

  45. Kenny Sloth says:

    There ya go DK

    4-0 on the road

  46. Henry Taylor says:

    This is going pretty well guys…

  47. Volume12 says:

    Clowney hasn’t finished his reps this year (so far), but my god he’s unblockable

  48. Paul Cook says:

    I totally agree with Rob about not trading Penney unless we obtain another competent power/downhill runner. Carson runs so damn hard and intense, he’s going to need to be kept fresh as the season wears on. If we can get another competent downhill runner back, then I’m okay with trading Penney. It would give us another 2nd or 3rd round pick for the draft, and I’m all about flexibility and ammunition for moving up in the draft whenever it’s feasible to do so to get the better player.

    This is going to be an interesting next 48 hours for the Hawks.

  49. If, ending season injury for Britt by rapport.

  50. Paul Cook says:

    It sure looks like we’re going to win this game. I thought winning this game and against Tampa Bay at home next week were extremely important wins for us to get. We need to get to 7-2 before we head into the gauntlet of…

    @ San Francisco
    @ Philadelphia
    vs Minnesota
    @ Los Angeles Rams
    @ Carolina

    If we’re going to get to a minimum of 10-6 or 11-5 or…we need to get to 7-2.

  51. Paul Cook says:

    What a tackle by Clowney.

    • Volume12 says:

      Just incredible. They need to keep him.

      • Paul Cook says:

        Absolutely need to keep Clowney. We can’t keep remaking this DL unit so drastically. We’ve got to take the best we have in talent and/or potential and build off that.

      • Simo says:

        One great play by Clowney followed by a bonehead move. Gotta make this team earn everything, no freebies, especially on 4th down.

  52. WALL UP says:

    Too easy..

  53. WALL UP says:

    Injuries will dictate the outcome of the season. Unfortunately, those are mounting up.

  54. Rob Staton says:

    Sometimes you watch this team and wonder how the hell they were 5-1.

  55. Pran says:

    Oh shit…it’s working let’s keep it tight!

    I guess that’s our adjustment out of halftime I think

  56. Henry Taylor says:

    At risk of a pretty major bottle job here.

  57. Paul Cook says:

    JJ is just a great player. That guy can make just about any QB look good and any defender look bad.

  58. Volume12 says:

    Blair is ballin’ out!

  59. Paul Cook says:

    It can’t be said enough. This team just can’t handle good fortune.

  60. Simo says:

    Man this defense needs a complete overhaul, just getting exposed by a bad team with a backup QB!

  61. Volume12 says:

    There we go Moore

  62. Paul Cook says:

    Is this a break out game for Blair? A few mistakes, yes, but some real hitting and play-making.

  63. Paul Cook says:

    Critical FG on a drive that very disappointingly sputtered out.

  64. Pran says:

    Matt Schaub is all Pro out there will probably throw 500 yards

  65. WALL UP says:

    24-0 half time lead has caused PC to adjust play count for personnel on offense and defense. Injury to Britt may have also contributed to that decision.

  66. DC says:

    This defense is flat out pathetic

  67. Paul Cook says:

    Screen passes have been working against us this game.

    • Bmseattle says:

      Any time any of our pass rushers feel they are getting close to a sack, they should immediately assume a screen pass is in play

      • Pran says:


        Heartburn continues for fans and hoping defense/coaching saving it’s best for Sb

      • cha says:

        Am I imagining things or are the Hawks blitzing KJ a lot? Really? Sending your slowest defensive player on a blitz???

  68. Henry Taylor says:

    Thank goodness for bwags

  69. CaptainJack says:

    Too many offensive line/tight end injuries + trading away players to be sustainable.

  70. DC says:

    Such great play creativity to end the game

  71. Cole says:

    This pass rush has just been sad

    • Volume12 says:

      No excuses for Matt Schaub throwing for over 400 yds.

    • 12th chuck says:

      against the worst o line in the league at that. all the talk about trading for the offense, I hope not

      • Rob Staton says:

        Just because the defense sucks doesn’t mean you can’t/shouldn’t do everything to help Russell Wilson.

        • 12th chuck says:

          with Britt getting injured, not knowing how bad or long it will be for him, getting some o lineman depth should be a priority for the offense. the pass rush is almost non existent. I don’t know who could fix that via trade, but seems to be a bigger need

  72. Pran says:

    2 missed FGS with short field for Hawks and 2 TOS…if it’s a clean game for Falcons L for Pete

  73. Simo says:

    Ya have to take a win anyway you can get them, but this one doesn’t feel real good! To let that team back in the game is inexcusable! Defense keeps getting exposed by poor teams and mediocre QB’s, and still no pass rush to speak of.

    • Paul Cook says:

      It’s strange, but the pass rush was often stymied by the screen pass this game. They did that well, and we didn’t defend against it well.

  74. Paul Cook says:

    A road win is a road win. I’ll take it. 6-2 with an important home game against the Bucs next week to get to 7-2 if we win.

  75. Paul Cook says:

    I had no idea that Matt Schaub was so good…

  76. Kingdome1976 says:

    Boy O’ boy.

    Should we not be focusing on defense?

    Blair seemed like a starter today. Griffin played well. Our D-line is a hot mess and if we don’t fix
    this line all the other positions on defense will suffer along with losses in the end. Clowney seems to me to be the only disruptive D-lineman so far. Reed seems not to have regained his dominance.

    I’m a little worried considering the D-line is not the strength of this next years draft. Maybe Rob is right when he said we need to focus on the offense from now on.

  77. […] Do they need to be aggressive in the next 48 hours and make some moves to avoid wasting this 6-2 start? (I wrote more on the trade deadline earlier today here) […]

  78. Barry says:

    Like the fact we put up the points we should have. Disappointed in the scheme approche for our D-line.
    The backs all ran very effective (as the should). The O line did a solid job.

    I don’t see Clowney staying unless his play really picks up. Some other team will pay him more at this point. I’m confused but his “technique” while standing up for a rush.