Open thread Saturday

October 15th, 2016 | Written by Rob Staton

Let us know who you’re watching today. I’ve got NC State @ Clemson, Ohio State @ Wisconsin and Alabama @ Tennessee (won’t be on TV here until Sunday).

141 Responses to “Open thread Saturday”

  1. Kenny Sloth says:

    Watching NC at Clemson. Low scoring affair with Clemson’s Mike Williams grabbing a box out td just before half on a 2 minute drill by Watson

    • Volume12 says:

      Kenny, responding to your post from yesterday.

      I’ve seen Andreas Knapp’s. He’ll be a 26 year old rookie.

      I’ll take Temple’s Dion Dawkins over him. Dawkins has the length, athleticism, and toughness.

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        Yeah I discovered that as well. Dion Dawkins had a solid game against Notre Dame last year. Couldn’t find any Vs. Temple 2016 on Draft Breakdown.

        As much as I have criticized him in the past, Dan Skipper is beginning to grow on me…I like his confidence to take over LT. He is strong and has good grip and decent footspeed with that obvious length and the upside on ST.

        He has the Arkansas connection going for him, but really struggles to keep his hips down and gets floored because he’s so upright.

        • Volume12 says:

          I don’t know about Skipper man. I think he’s really gonna struggle against speed rushers at the next level. The NFL is already starting to go the way of the NBA. Lean and long. And with more and more undersized DEs and EDGE’s entering the league he’s gonna give up a ton of leverage.

          His size is appealing no doubt about that.

          • Kenny Sloth says:

            I agree on all points, basically. He doesn’t have the best kick slide, but I think the potential is there. He may actually be outside of Seattle’s range of size preference!

            Definitely going back to RT. We just need OT depth like a mug

            • Volume12 says:

              The potential is absolutely there. Can’t argue that.

              We do need OT depth or a solution. Best bet might be to keep Sowell at LT until the 2018 draft when there should be tons of OT’s available. And either kick Ifedi Wap out to RT and draft a RG or keep Ifedi there and draft another RT/RG type.

              No matter the scenario, I just think we won’t see them grab an O-lineman until the 3rd.

              • Kenny Sloth says:

                Agreed the value is just not there. And Skipper has the upside or lack thereof to warrant a drop. Maybe not all the way to the 3rd but McGovern and Boehm were similarly deficient and lasted until the fifth.

                Lol Ifedi Wap, you should be doing the Pete Carroll draft clues

                • Volume12 says:

                  Oh I think Skipper will be there in the 4th or so.

                  Love the draft clue stuff. We tried last draft huh? Missed on ’em all except for like 1, but that’s OK. It’s fun and gives us something to do.

                  We’ll get a few this year. ?

                  • Kenny Sloth says:

                    Last year was weird. Kind of half hearted clues from Pete after it seemed like he would up the ante a bit this year

          • Kenny Sloth says:

            That Stanford Punter thoo

  2. Volume12 says:

    Great game between Clemson and NC St.

    Let’s go Wolfpack. Will only help move the dawgs up in the polls.


  3. Volume12 says:

    Candy LB Zach Cunningham is a phenom. Nothing he can’t do. Such a unique LB prospect.

  4. Volume12 says:

    1st time watching NC St RB Matt Dayes and I’m impressed. Looks and runs like an NFL back.

    Definetly has a ‘Seahawky’ kind of vibe.

    • Volume12 says:

      His vision is outstanding. Good feet, can get small/skinny through the LOS and make defenders miss in the hole. One cut runner, no unnecessary dancing.

      • Volume12 says:

        Wow! Every run he’s checking things off the box. Great burst, lowers the shoulder, runs and finishes with forward lean, has the speed to get around the edge, and he’s not a bad receiving back either.

  5. HawkFan907 says:

    Watson is having all sorts of issues today. His accuracy has been subpar this year, and he has trouble making his progressions. His stock is justifiably sliding.

  6. Volume12 says:

    Tennessee RB Alvin Kamara is so damn good.

    Does everything just as well as Stanford’s Christian McCaffrey and Ohio St’s Curtis Samuel but gets no ‘pub.’

    • HawkFan907 says:

      I agree, he is a difference maker. How deep is the RB class? Every team should go into the draft looking to improve their running game this year.

  7. Volume12 says:

    Oklahoma DT Charles Walker was a man amongst boys today. Finally looked like the Charles Walker of last year. Very underrated interior pass rusher.

    And Oklahoma EDGE Ogbonnia Okoronkwo is one of the best, most athletic looking pass rushers no one talks about. Fills up a stat sheet man. Keep an eye on him. His UOH is exceptional. One of the best rip moves in the country.

  8. Volume12 says:

    Tennessee DE Derek Barnett is a playmaker! Having himself a big time game in front of the Seattle scouts.

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      He’s a big time Seattle target for me, if he falls even slightly. His inside/out upside is through the roof. And if anyone can unlock that motor they’ll have an impact defender.

      Clark-Reed-Barnett DL of the future, anyone?

      • Volume12 says:

        That would be sweet.

        • Kenny Sloth says:

          Bennett’s the type of player to take that kind of pick super seriously. While he clearly understands the business side of the industry, he is also very apparent in his emotional and personal investment in his craft.

          While he is very much the type to take a player under his wing, he’s not one to lie down quietly. And despite the motivation he would undoubtedly find in that kind of selection, a constant reminder of his mortality and rapidly dwindling time in the NFL, it might be a situation that would feed into some complacency for a young rookie with an inconsistent motor.

          But perhaps the ‘nobody’s safe’ mentality would override any benchwarming attitude. I’m confident it will now that I think about it

          • Volume12 says:

            Barnett made himself some shmoney today. He’s probably a top 20 pick.

            • Kenny Sloth says:

              Too true. That’s something I always like. When a player shines in a loss. Shows a lot of courage and character

            • HawkFan907 says:

              I think he could find himself in the top 10. He is an amazing player, one of my favorites. If only he would fall to the Hawks.

    • Aaron says:

      I’m still really crushing on edge player Ryan Anderson. Don’t think he is ever going to get out of williams/allen’s monster shadow.

      • Volume12 says:

        I don’t think he’s got the athleticism of Williams or the technique of Allen, but Anderson is damn good in his own right.

        He’s an exciting player. Love how physical he is and the attitude he brings on and off the field.

  9. Ishmael says:

    Alabama defence are swarming, fantastic pursuit to the ball, you can see why Seattle like to keep an eye on them.

  10. Volume12 says:

    As we know and Rob has mentioned several times, this safety class is loaded.

    And I don’t know if Seattle will ever take strictly a DB in round 1, but one guy that has my interest piqued is ‘Bama’s Eddie Jackson.

    Exceptional athlete, great range, great ball skills, electric return man, one of the best in the country, and he’s a former CB who looks like he’s got that length. He’d make for an interesting S/NB.

  11. Volume12 says:

    I almost get the feeling/wonder if Seattle was scouting 1 of these LB’s from ‘Bama.

    LB/EDGE Tim Williams
    LB/EDGE Ryan Anderson
    LB Reuben Foster
    LB Rashaan Evans
    LB Shaun Dion Hamilton

    Williams could be there late 1st, doubtful but possible with his off field concerns

    Anderson I bet will be, but probably more of a mid-late 2nd rounder

    Foster is the best LB in this class for me. Violent, extremely physical and aggressive, smart, athletic, can cover, diagnoses/breaks the game down quickly. He looks like a top 15 pick, but LBs from ‘Bama typically fall come draft day.

    Seattle loves athletic freaks at the LB position. Look no further than Rashaan Evans and Shaun Dion Hamilton. 2_of the bestc looking athletic, off the ball ‘backers in this class that aren’t day 1 or 2 prospects yet. Both are juniors and might not declare, but either one of them would be a fantastic selection on day 3.

  12. Kenny Sloth says:

    Deshone Kizer continuing his rendition of a Can Newton-lite on a shifty and tough 12+ yard TD run, his seventh on the season.

    It’s crazy to think Cam was more polished at Auburn coming from a JUCO program. Kizer can do everything Cam does at a much lighter clip.

    He’s obviously smaller and less accurate, but makes similar bad decisions and will be a solid if frustrating quarterback for the early years of his career.

    Roty potential, but the type to have a nasty sophomore slump. Could develop into an MVP candidate in his best year, and I’d say that’s his realistic ceiling.

    He reeks of Matt Stafford, but there’s nothing wrong with taking him first overall, imo.

    • Volume12 says:

      I like Kizer more than DeShaun Watson. Watson struggles breaking down coverages.

      And NC QB Mitch Trubisky was excellent today. His ability to reset his feet in the pocket is second to none. Great ball placement and those eyes of his. Always up and able to manipulate a defense with them as Rob said.

      Cal QB Davis Webb might have the best arm of any QB in this class. Might be the best SR of the bunch.

      Arkansas QB Austin Allen. He’s a sleeper. Not a day 1 or 2 pick by any means, but damn this kid is gritty. Great looking game managing type QB.

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        Love Austin Allen’s touch and he has deceptive arm strength for his size. I would like to see him bulk up. He could stay for another year. Get some more wind under his belt.

        The success of Carson Wentz thus far has really compelled me to heed the ‘winner’ label more intently.

        Haven’t seen much of Webb. JT Barrett has a pretty big arm when he’s on.

        I want to see more of Trubisky also.

        I am not a fan of Watson, despite being a ‘winner’

        Any thoughts on Seth Russell? His backup was also excellent in that scheme while Russell recovered from his neck injury.

        • Volume12 says:

          Yeah, Allen probably should stay another year, but he could be a late day 3 steal for someone.

          Haven’t watched much of QB Seth Russell. From what I know he’s a freak athlete. Has like a 40″ vert, runs a 4.55 or something. Huge arm. But I couldn’t give ya an honest analysis.

          • Kenny Sloth says:

            Thanks, his progress was derailed by a nasty neck injury last year. Like I said his backup was on fire, too, so it could be scheme + personnel

            But he’s won consistently when he’s been on the field including some close barn-burners

            • Volume12 says:

              I feel like every time I do watch Baylor he was out. That explains it though. I forgot he had that neck injury.

              Looked like he had a good game today, but I didn’t watch it.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Have to say, I’m not a fan of the Cam-Kizer comp. Cam very different IMO and the ultimate playmaker when he was at Auburn.

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        I agree that he’s certainly not at that level, but he has the upside as an athlete.

        His technical ability will never match Cam, but he has a similar skillset. albeit to a weaker degree.

        When you see him roll out to the side, with the ball all high and cocked. You would swear he was Cam’s baby brother that didn’t get fed as much.

        Clearly at least 3 inches shorter and 15 lbs lighter and a half second slower and about 10 yards less of an arm.

        I suppose a more apt comparison would be Marcus Mariota, as he is undeniably quick and has a bit of panicked carelessness about him.

  13. AlaskaHawk says:

    Go Wisconsin! Showing some grit against Ohio State. (I want Washington to move up in rankings)

  14. Volume12 says:

    You guys heard of this cat? Seattle has scouted his team twice. IMO it’s for him or OT Dion Dawkins.

    Temple LB Haason Reddick- 6’1, 235 lbs.
    2016 stats: 28 tackles, 12.0 TFL, 4.5 QB sacks, 2 PBU, 2 FF. He had a sack today, but I’m not sure what else.

    Jr pro day #’s: 4.47 40, 10’10” broad jump, 36″ vert, 400+ bench press.

    • Volume12 says:

      He’s been in some trouble off the field, is a former walk-on aka self made man, and he was given a single digit jersey # this off-season.

      Temple awards single digit jerseys to the toughest players on the team. Voted on by the players themselves.

      Kid checks off a lot of boxes. He’s a good I V too.

      • CharlieTheUnicorn says:

        So we are thinking a low second round pick, due to off the field?

        • Volume12 says:

          Not really sure TBH.

          It’s possible, but I kinda think more 3rd. At least right now.

          • Volume12 says:

            Now up to 35 tackles, 14.0 TFL, and 6.5 QB sacks.

            If I’m not mistaken, Reddick now leads the country in TFLs.

            He’s got the traits, production, and personality.

  15. Kenny Sloth says:

    That Stanford Punter thoo

  16. Kenny Sloth says:

    JT Barrett. Acting like he’s been there before

  17. Volume12 says:

    Wisconsin’s LB TJ Watt is interesting. High effort guy, great motor, sets a hard edge, has got speed around it, smart player too. He just looks like an NFL line backer.

    Curious to see how he tests. If he’s anything like big bro (JJ).

  18. David says:

    Hey Rob, love the site. Was wondering where you (or anyone else) think what range Curtis Samuel is going to go? He could be the Percy Harvin-esque playmaker (jet sweeps, perimeter runs, screens, etc) withoit the baggage. His acceleration is amazing and has some sick lower body strength (unlike Lockett) that can break some tackles.

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      I don’t think we can ignore Curtis Samuel as a legit first round contender
      If he tests well.

      These kinds of players are why I don’t see Dalvin Cook or Christian McCaffrey as valuable enough to sneak into the first.

      • Volume12 says:

        Give me Dalvin Cook every day of the week that ends in a y over Curtis Samuel.
        Again, I don’t think much separates Cook and Fournette in terms of talent.

        Now, in terms of rarity, size, physique, and upside? Cook ain’t close to Fournette in those regards.

        • David says:

          Yeah I don’t see Samuel as a 3 down back like cook or fournette. I see him like how OSU uses him. Part RB, part slot WR, has speed to get around the edge, could run some 2-back triple option stuff with him which OSU seems to do a lot. Basically what I imagine they pictured Prosise doing except the guy can’t seem to see the field.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Great athlete, size will mean he probably won’t do as much at next level. Teams will need to feel comfortable he has a basic role and not just a niche. But if he tests well and continues to produce could go higher than current projections for sure.

      • David says:

        From my eye he looks like the best player on an OSU team that is crazy good.

        I would take Royce Freeman over Cook all day. He looks like the prototypical bruiser back that PCJS covets. Unfortunately I don’t know if they go RB first rd (but maybe they should considering they are down to CMike, Collins and Spiller) but he prob goes early first.

  19. icb12 says:

    NDs Tori’s Hunter Jr.
    I like the kid. He’s not the flashiest, not the most productive.
    But he is smooth, consistent, good character, good leader, seems to take his craft seriously,
    In short he reminds me of Baldwin and Lockett.

  20. Kenny Sloth says:

    “Poor Victor Cruz.

    He’s not dancin’ much these days…”

    -Rob Riggle to the tune of New York, New York lmaao

  21. Kenny Sloth says:

    I love watching Matt Stafford play. One of my favorite arms ever.

    Even though he still has a wildly inconsistent release point.

    Also love his intonation under center. Full command.

    He might be the career passing yards leader when he retires

  22. Volume12 says:

    Carolina is hot garbage! Oh my gawd.

    • Volume12 says:

      Kind of goes to show how overrated 1st round picks are. They’ve hit on every for, what, like 10 years or something?

  23. Kenny Sloth says:

    Rams and Lions going blow for blow. Some biblical shit

  24. nichansen01 says:

    The Steelers manage to consistently be wildly inconsistent. One week looking like an unstoppable offensive force miles ahead of anyone else in the league… the next week getting blown out by teams like Miami and Philadelphia.

    • Volume12 says:

      And then the Bills, Lions, and Skins are red hot. 3 teams that are starting to make some noise.

  25. Volume12 says:

    Dammit! Bam Bam and Frank Clark are both out today. I mean I get it. It’s only week 6 and no need toitoi further an injury. Hammy or groin.

    But, man we need those 2. I think Marsh will step up. He’s having somewhat of a breakout year. Here’s to hoping SS Kelcie McCray steps up though.

    Go Hawks!

  26. Volume12 says:

    What an epic storm! ?

    • The Hawk is Howling says:

      I know Vol I was so scared I think the wind got up to 24 mph where I live. I’m so thankful I’m alive to watch the Hawks today. Turned out to be a nice day today in Seattle for the game. No wind and it isn’t raining now.

      Go HAWKS

  27. Volume12 says:

    Cliff Avril doing his thang for Haiti.

    C-Mike stays woke. The awakening. Following Ifedi Wap the entire way.

    Too bad Lane bobbled that on ATL’s 1st drive. We’d have 2 TO’s.

  28. rowdy says:

    Are run blocking needs help

    • Volume12 says:

      That and they need a power back. Someone that can get those those tough yards up inside. Hopefully Rawls can return to form.

      • rowdy says:

        That too but the bigger problem is getting hit at the hand off

        • Volume12 says:

          Sure. I’m not arguing that. I agree with ya 100%. It’s why I don’t think we’re done building this O-line.

          • Volume12 says:

            TC said that they need/want more physicality from their OT’s the other day.

            You can live with your LT being more of a pass protector obviously, but they need a bigger, stronger body at RT. Not sold on Gilliam.

          • rowdy says:

            I think a lot of it could be fixed with more experience and continuity as far as free runners go but some upgrades are needed. No argument here either but looks like will see some more of Collins and see how he fits

            • Volume12 says:

              I was a huge fan of Collins and still am. Hopefully he can be that type of back we need. IMO he just needs to figure out our ZBS.

              • Volume12 says:

                That was a fantastic move in the backfield on his TD too. Shoulda been a TFL.

                Ifedi Wap is inconsistent, which he’ll improve over time, but man that dude is a mauler in the run game!

  29. Volume12 says:

    If Lockett is 100% that return is probably to the house.

    That giant knee brace is limiting his explosion.

  30. DavidM2 says:

    Straight up beat down going on in the Emrald City today. Matty Ice already looking broken and it’s not even halftime…

  31. rowdy says:

    Grahm is a beast!

  32. rowdy says:

    Ouch you don’t want to see that happen to anyone

  33. rowdy says:

    Best d in the league to worst in one quarter

  34. Kenny Sloth says:

    Jon Ryan pro bowl year!

  35. rowdy says:

    Should of went for on 4th down. Are d can’t stop anything right now

    • Volume12 says:

      I agree. That was f***n’ stupid. What is going on? I knew missing Kam was gonna hurt, but not like this. Having Bennett out is even more reason to go for it on that 4th down.

  36. nichansen01 says:

    Really missing Chancellor Clark and Bennet right now. Ryan is cutting through our pass defense like butter. Russell missing open receivers and carroll being too conservative. Team is tired out.

    Don’t see how we pull out a win at this point unless Wilson turns it on.

  37. Forrest says:

    Man, I hope the offence can get moving. Defense is not doing well a all. They’ll be lucky to win this one.

  38. nichansen01 says:

    And Hauschka is wide left. Complete melt down.

    • Volume12 says:

      Yeah, tough one to swallow considering how dominant we were the 1st half.

      What is with our coverage today? Troublesome.

  39. nichansen01 says:

    I would feel better about losing this game if our second half schedule didn’t look so tough…

  40. Forrest says:

    Man…I mean 3-2 isn’t too bad, but I don’t like seeing meltdowns like this.

  41. rowdy says:

    Complete meltdown in every faze of the game.

  42. Volume12 says:

    No flag? OK. If the was our secondary there would’ve multiple flags on that.

  43. Volume12 says:

    Oh my gawd! We should be up by 3 points. Hauschka man. Those should be automatic. Wow.

  44. Forrest says:

  45. rowdy says:

    Talk about a heart attack bobble lol

  46. nichansen01 says:

    We can thank the refs for this one.

  47. Volume12 says:

    We still not competin’?

    Only 4 teams in the league with one loss or none. Us, Dallas, Minnesota, and NE.

    That wasn’t a flag. Julio gave himself up by falling backwards.

    • rowdy says:

      Nice defensive adjustments in the 4th. The 3rd quarter was all out wack but they tightened everthing up and overcame adversity once again.

  48. HawkFan907 says:

    We can rest easy. That is what happens when our D takes a nap against the best O in the league for one quarter. Remember the 2013 close calls we had? We can only get better knowing that Bam Bam and Frank Clark were out. Go Hawks!!!

    • Volume12 says:

      And Bennett too. Sherm had an off day today.

      I think DC Kris Richard not letting Sherm man up and shadow Julio pissed him off and it threw him off his game.

  49. Volume12 says:

    ET was a man possessed today boy! Nice to see.

    Looks like we’ll finally get a feel for TE Nick Vannett next week. Too bad for Luke. That injury looked rough.

    We still need someone or something in our pass defense/secondary. Could be play calling.

    • nichansen01 says:

      That someone today was Kam. Really missed him, lots of communication errors with McCray. Pass rush got really tired without Clark, and then completely ineffectual once Bennet left.

      • Volume12 says:

        Good point.

        We dominated for 3 quarters. Not sure what that 3rd quarter was all about though.

        Just remember, Seattle will always be there in the end. Win or lose. That’s what grit and competition does. They live for finishes like today.

  50. Forrest says:

    Probably one of the worst breakdowns by this defense that I’ve seen. 4-1 though. I can’t really complain. There aren’t gonna be any other offenses like that, so yay on that! Offense looked good but sluggish. ST was very, extremely, unfathomably mediocre. That last no-call was not good, but that makes up for the no-call on that Kearse play.

  51. nichansen01 says:

    First win of the season against a legit team… Atlanta beat both teams who appeared in Super Bowl 50 this season… plus a very promising looking raiders team on the road. Also Miami beat Pittsburgh today so that makes our week 1 win look better.

  52. nichansen01 says:

    a win next week… and arizona will be looking best… 3-4 while we will be sitting pretty at 5-1. Feels good.

    • nichansen01 says:

      Games against Green bay and Carolina later in the season look less scary now than they did a few weeks earlier.

      • nichansen01 says:

        and for all the talk of the NFC being really weak this year… 3 of the top four teams (minnesota dallas and seattle) are nfc…

        New England vs Minnesota Super Bowl 51?