Trade: Jaguars sending CB Sidney Jones to Seattle, per source. Jones returns to area where he shined in college.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) August 30, 2021
Cornerback is a real issue for the Seahawks.
With D.J. Reed banged up during camp the talent levels were exposed. Pierre Desir didn’t last long. Ahkello Witherspoon has looked average. Tre Flowers continues to do Tre Flowers things. Tre Brown now has an injury.
There’s a distinct lack of quality and depth at the position.
It will be a problem during the season unless they find solutions. No amount of pass rush will completely cover up for being terrible at corner.
It’s not beyond the realms of possibility they find some answers. After all, Reed was an opportunistic pick-up a year ago. The 49ers even admitted they messed up letting him go, hoping to stash him once he’d suffered a somewhat serious injury. The Seahawks took a chance on his health and it paid off. Provided he stays healthy, Reed will be Seattle’s #1 cornerback in 2021.
These situations are relatively rare though. And this is the first time where there’s widespread uncertainty at the position under Pete Carroll. If nothing else, they always had a Shaq Griffin or Marcus Trufant in the past.
The urgency of the problem is evident in how much they’re scrambling around making deals. John Reid from the Texans last week, Sidney Jones today (in a deal for a sixth round pick in 2022).
They don’t have the draft stock to make a splash and readily available quality cornerbacks are not exactly commonplace in the NFL.
Thus, this is seemingly where they’re at. Hoping, praying that a solution emerges.
Jones was once a very talented, highly rated cornerback with first round potential. He suffered a serious injury at his pro-day and his stock dropped into round two. Before his third season in Philadelphia he was cut and picked up by Jacksonville.
By all accounts he had some relative success with the Jaguars last year — starting six games and collecting 26 tackles, two interceptions and a forced fumble. His PFF grade was a 68.1. Shaquille Griffin, in comparison, graded at 64.1.
It’s just hard to invest much faith in Jones with his career to date. He’ll get his opportunity now though to see if he can make things happen. It might be his last opportunity to do so.
Growing pains at corner seem inevitable at this stage and while you don’t necessarily need elite, top-level cornerbacks to succeed — it’s a position you can’t be dreadful at.
The Seahawks should probably get Geno Atkins back in Seattle pronto…
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He looked so good coming out before that injury. Must not be the same since.
Agreed.
I thought he would have made a great Seahawk and loved his game coming out of college. I guess we’ll find out…
Super excited about this move!
Go Hawks!
DJ Reed and/or Ahkello Witherspoon insurance???
I wonder what we gave up in return? Conditional 7th?
found this evaluation of him from last season, and apart from the chronic Achilles issues that keep him off the field, sounds promising.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/gm-report/grading-the-jaguars-2020-free-agents-corner-sidney-jones-iv
But what/who did we trade? Very curious. Maybe Penny is involved, with Etienne down for the season?
Pelissero says ‘22 6th
Gave up ‘22 6th round pick
I am absolutely sold on this move then. 6 games of solid corner, resign cheap, get another 6 games for a few years. all for a sixth.
If miracles happen and he can stay on the field it’s genius. Can we assume Flowers will be cut?
Why?
Wow! Had no idea Jones was rated higher than Griffin. Seems like an excellent move for the upside and just a 6th rounder.
Jacked to the tits on this trade!!
He could thrive in Seahawks system! I’m pumped too!
Not much risk for possible reward. Here’s hoping he works out.
Tre Brown’s “sore knee” was mentioned by PC as a reason they went and got Reid.
And now they’ve gotten Jones.
I really hope Brown isn’t badly hurt.
Carroll’s tone regarding Tre Brown has been decidedly sombre. As if they’re anticipating some really bad news, such as this injury is season ending or likely to wreck his rookie season.
He actually said definitively that Brown would be ready by the first game. So we’ll see whether he was blowing smoke or not.
Jones was once a prototypical Seahawk corner, and was rumored to be high on the Hawks’ list for the draft. Not clear what the prototype is now, but that’s another matter. This is not a bad shot for a 6th round pick.
Ah, I must’ve missed that. I’d picked up on quite a vague and despondent answer recently to a question relating to Brown.
I have been guilty of this.
I saw that and hope he wasn’t being overly optimistic.
They typically keep 10 DBs and 7 are pretty well locks. So there’s 3 spots up for grabs and they just traded for 2 more corners.
It’s reasonable to wonder if something is amiss.
Yes, Reid could be cut, yes the Seahawks can find a way to keep an extra corner, etc etc. But the next 48 hours or so will definitely have some intrigue.
Take this as seriously as you like….
Hopefully it’s that and not a serious Tre Brown injury.
If Pete actually cuts Flowers after all the resolutely positive things he has been saying about him and his play (“really on it,” “best he’s been,” etc.) then he has clearly been blowing smoke up the butts of both the media and the fan base. I guess it won’t be the first example of this, but it might be the most glaring one.
Not even in the top 10 PC Whoopers in the past year unfortunately.
The most glaring one was his first press conference following the Russell Wilson saga
I am not a fan of getting rid of Flowers. The CB group is not that healthy or deep. I don’t like Flowers as #1,2 corner, but he is acceptable depth (at least on this roster) knows the system and has been pretty healthy and available during his career. Health/availability have been issues for Witherspoon, Reed, Jones.
So if Brown’s injury is serious and Reed isn’t ready to go for Week 1, we will be looking at Witherspoon and Flowers as starters, with Randall being #3 and the two new guys as #4 and #5. Well, at least Darrell Taylor will take on the 2nd string LT in week 1.
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Glad to see management being proactive to fixing issues, instead of waiting until the trade deadline. Only so much can be done at this point when all teams have hope for a playoff birth. Maybe after some games someone will have a disgruntled star we can trade for on the cheap, a John S. special.
I’m a homer, so I love Jones. Watched him play for four years at UW. He’s a stud and sticky sticky sticky when healthy. Big upgrade over…almost everyone.
Seems like he was best Jags had last year, when he was able to play. Seems odd they would let him go if he’s relatively healthy
New regime. Want their own guys and future draft pick(s). Trade could be a win-win for both.
As an isolated incident, I like this trade. A lot.
As a trend, I don’t like this trade because it’s another example of them trading future picks away because the team they spent an entire offseason building isn’t good enough.
When does any team ever trade for one of our guys and gives us a future pick? It happens, but it’s disproportionate.
When they keep trading future picks, it makes the draft that much harder every year because they have less ammunition (draft picks) than everyone else. So they get a roster that isn’t as good as it could/should be and have to trade away even more future picks and this sickening cycle they’ve gotten themselves into continues. So now, we go into ’22 missing a 1st and 6th round pick and a pick may have been dealt (conditional) already in ’23 already.
There’s a point in “competing” when you need to have a long-term vision. They don’t have it and haven’t for a number of years. So we find ourselves in the cycle of getting to the playoffs and not having a realistic chance to advance very far when we’re playing good teams. Feels like another year like that.
That’s fair. Giving away picks leads to giving away more picks (to fill holes in the roster because of lack of draft capital). But in isolation, this seems promising for relatively low cost.
Agreed.
I’d argue these are small potatoes. A 6th round for a shot at Steven Sullivan or John Ursua? Fine. A 5th round for Quinton Dunbar or Quandre Diggs. Fine.
The main talent drain on the roster came from the Adams trade. Just by trading down from one of their first round picks, you could recoup all those 5ths and 6ths traded away.
The Seahawks must have known trading all that capital would put them in “debt” to fill the bottom 15 spots on the roster. Having less capital in 2022 and less promising young talent on the roster in 2021 is the price they’ve decided to pay.
They are definitely small potatoes. But throw those potatoes in with the main course, maybe a ribeye like Harvin, Graham… and their trend is to always be the team that traded more picks away than they get back. When they originally built up their roster, they were the team trading more guys like Josh Wilson away to look towards the future.
At the time, I thought the Josh Wilson trade was terrible for that season and it was (he would have never started at CB, but he’d have been one heck of a nickel for Carroll). But it worked out because they had a long-term vision, just as the Jags do now with getting something for Jones.
Once they built their dominant team the right way, then comes the Harvin-Graham type trades and they’ve been on a steady decline since. Granted, the historic drafts they originally had were not sustainable, but continually having picks (even later ones) given away to other teams and getting less in return just isn’t good business. I’ll agree that I don’t care about those later ones, like you, but you can’t get them when you’re dealing for the big guys either (as you alluded to) because you have no 1st round picks to get more picks with.
Cha: Totally agree. Trading Adams has definetly drained our pool for young talent. It seems like JS/PC are starting look for more and more veterans. Schneider has had success with veteran players like Jamal Adams, Quandre Diggs, Carlos Dunlap, and D.J. Reed. So he seems to be looking more and more in that direction. At least in certain positions.
I agree with you about draft picks. I think I’ve said more than once that PC/JS should not be allowed to trade our 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th round pick next year, or any top pick in future years. I did stop at 5th pick, though. LOL So they tested my nerves and judgment here.
If we flop this year for whatever the reason, we could be looking at a deeper structural rebuild if the RW thing reignites. I want our picks. I like our picks. That’s how you make a team. You need quality players on first year contract cycles.
Boy we better be seriously competing for an NFC championship this year. We’ve mortgaged a lot of draft capital for it.
I absolutely love this trade. Low risk high reward potential.
100% agreed.
Definitely low risk high reward. Last night I watched a bunch of Jags blogs and podcasts and none were too happy about the trade. Many thought he was one of their better corners, a very good depth player at a minimum. And railed on CJ because of being injury prone.
thank goodness they did SOMETHING for the secondary. I hope he has an impact like Dunlap, but anything will be an improvement.
I’m a big Husky fan, and fan of Mr Jones. The thing is, I just haven’t seen the Jones I saw in college in the pros much at all. I’m always looking at ex-Husky players when I get the chance.
Sure, give it a shot. Love to be see it work out. Love to be surprised.
Classic move, thus this man doesn’t just suck
Why the Seahawks win the Super Bowl:
1. No major injuries to any key player who occupies a position of thin depth. Yes, Geno Smith sucks so that obviously includes Wilson. And most/all “superstars.’ Since they don’t have a lot of quality depth, this pretty much means no major injuries. A guy like Poona Ford, who most NFL fans know nothing about, is extremely important.
2. The offensive line is a top 10-12 unit. They can’t achieve this without Duane Brown.
3. The potential of a few young guys really shows and they ‘break out.’ This includes Darrell Taylor ONLY playing as a specialized pass rusher, Blair making situational impact, Penny breaking a few long runs with his impressive burst (since there’s not much else impressive about his game) and/or Eskridge being able to make a few splash plays, etc. Again, pretty much like every team in the NFL if you look at Reason 1.
Why the Seahawks miss the playoffs:
1. A few injuries and their “depth” will be exposed. Long gone are the days where Marcus Trufant can get hurt and miss the rest of the season but the team actually get better because Walter Thurmond is the better player. Then after WTIII gets hurt, he gets replaced by an even better player in Richard Sherman. The Seahawks aren’t built that way anymore, nor are most teams. Ever.
2. Key players they need contributions from do not step-up or aren’t given the chance. This includes watching Darrell Taylor clumsily look like a moron playing SAM, watching A. Robinson drop back into coverage, Gerald Everett contributing nothing close to his worth via free agent salary, etc.
3. Pete Carroll continues to get outcoached in half their games. While there’s nobody better with respect to culture, team building, etc. The fact is that Pete is not “great” at X’s and O’s, especially in-game. Long gone are the days of creating a position for Red Bryant so he can play to his strengths. Although that’s not in-game coaching, it’s still coaching. He’s a probable future HOF coach, but if we’re talking about the Seahawks winning a SB THIS year… We can’t hear comments about “We didn’t know how fast he was” or “gee, we had a good plan to stop their run but we didn’t know they’d throw it almost 30 times in a row to start the game.” Some weeks the game plan SHOULD be for Russ to Cook. Some weeks Russ should throw the ball 12 times. Square pegs in round holes don’t work. If you want to tell teams what you’re going to do and they’re defenseless to stop it… you need a better team, Pete.
Pete under pressure during a game is often not a pretty sight. Opposite of Belichick. Pete often just wires up even more and gets “hormonal.” Sometimes, in reaction to this, he gets very cautious. Very hard to predict, but somehow that unpredictability doesn’t help his team much.
Center Matt Skura got cut by Miami. Worth taking a shot?
Posted on him at the end of last thread. 34/36 ranked center last year by PFF. I know we’re eager/desperate, but I highly doubt he’s the answer, even over Fuller/Pocic.
That said, in his best year he was league average. (He ranked 16th and 22nd the previous two years.) Perhaps it depends on the guards he has next to him, of which we have two good ones. Or maybe he struggled coming off his major knee injury. Apparently Baltimore cut him since he had trouble… snapping the ball… Kind of important detail.
https://eu.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/03/18/miami-dolphins-signing-center-matt-skura/4750854001/
Good trade. We got a CB everyone was clamoring for, and like Rob said in his last video just take a chance. For me, it’s one of the better chances to take.
Also, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again- Tre Flowers will come good!
Well it seems as if Flowers might be cut
I’m just not a fan of this kind of roster building, the Seahawks are always trying to play catch up. While this is a move they had to make, it should have never gotten to this point. Unfortunately this is the status quo now with Carroll in his twilight years and still reaching for that last big win. Its all about his legacy and not the team.
This team is in need of a reset. Over forty players are out of contract next season. The LT is 36 and wants a new contract, Diggs wants to be paid and deservingly so, DK is coming up on a new contract and is going to set a new standard at WR. Then there’s Wilson, forty million plus a year for a new contract if you sign him, but what if you don’t? How is Carroll going to build the team next year with limited draft capitol and cap space that is going to disappear quickly. You need to keep your stars and surround them with cheap young talent and this is where the Seahawks keep failing.
Look no further than the Baltimore Ravens, that’s how you do it right.
I hear you Al, and share some of your frustration in how PCJS have been building this team. No question there has been to many bad/expensive trades which leave us void of draft capital and add costly contracts and even hold out/ins. And they haven’t drafted especially well over the past few years.
We should also recognize the successful trades (Dunlap, Diggs, Brown) PCJS have made recently and realize this is part of successful team building as well. Hopefully this relatively minor trade for Jones will pan out as well, and let’s hope they don’t feel the need to trade more future capital this year.
No team hits on all their draft picks or makes great trades every time, but they can’t be afraid to shoot for the moon from time to time either.
Agree. We are a Russell Wilson injury away from 2-15…
Cam Newton cut, I didn’t see this one coming.
Don’t think I would have bet on it, but not surprised. He makes too many mistakes, just not a good decision maker. I was actually surprised that BB gave him as long of a leash as he did last year, though he didn’t have much of a choice.
Yowza! He’d make a pretty good backup for Russ. Probably too expensive though.
Think Scott Zolak is doing a little dance?
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/1432716075569983488
Will Grier released by the Panthers. He was well liked around here in his draft year and considered a fit for Pete’s offensive style. Still a fit with Waldron? I suppose we’re more likely to just ride with good old Geno this year…
Just hasn’t shown anything in the pro’s
Might be it for him
Bills just cut Jacob Hollister.
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1432707885197406214
I always liked him, maybe now with the right OC he would look much better.
Might be worth a PS spot for 3-4 weeks while Parkinson gets right.
Meh
Just saying…last two seasons
Targets…Hollister 99, Everett 122
Rec…Hollister 66, Everett 88
Yards…Hollister 558 (8.45 per), Everett 825 (9.38 per)
TD…Hollister 6, Everett 2
First Downs…Hollister 30, Everett 46
And keep in mind RW and Brian Schottenheimer thought our TE group had tested positive for COVID in 2020.
I know another team that could sure use a proven starter and ballhawk…
I saw an interesting “sort out” of this trade situation. Flowers has continued to make the same mistakes as usual, although he has been the only constant at camp. Flowers will actually cost 2plus mil this years compared to Jones one plus. The thinking is either trying to trade Flowers or cut him in favor of Reid and Jones and taking that money and applying if to signing Atkins, as Rob points out the sooner the better. I think Seattle is much better off this year going into the season with their pass rush as opposed to the first half of 20 which should help at corner. Bellore’s ability to play both sides of the ball and Reid’s special team ability (loss of BKK) should help somewhere on the roster. Seattle with a better pass rush (especially if Atkins is signed and can be some of his old self inside) along with pretty good depth at Nickel and arguably one of the best Safety tandems in the league, Seattle may be able to make due with this lineup. I really like Brooks and his potential growth this year. I just think that going into this year we are better off defensively than in 20, even with the loss of Reed, Wright and Griffin.
Reid gone, conditions not met so picks revert back to Seattle.
Brady reports a bunch of other cuts
WR Connor Wedington
DT Jarrod Hewitt
WR Travis Toivonen
OT Tommy Champion
OG Jared Hocker
TE Cam Sutton
TE Ian Bunting
WR Darece Roberson
Nothing unexpected so far. I wonder if it’s gonna be Aaron Fuller or Cade Johnson who makes it to the roster.
I like Fuller a lot
OK so I think Haynes has a job as the 3rd center/backup guard
Appears Cade Johnson might have won a spot
ok, Fuller and Thompson are kinda of low-key surprises…I thought one of them would make the 53. Maybe Cade makes it? I just hope we get some of these guys back on the practice squad, specifically Brad Lundblade if he has the upside potential to be a C for us.
Curhan in, Cade Johnson not ?
hMM..
Wow, that is a surprise. No word on Cade Johnson yet?
Not official or unofficially yet but Corbin Smith says he was told only one UDFA made it and word has gotten out that Curhan made it. But he hedged that by saying ‘it is fluid.’ So…
Jordan Simmons has been cut, apparently
I’m guessing they like Curhan.
More about Phil Haynes than Curhan I think.
Shame, I liked Simmons.
They could well cut two of these 2nd tier OLmen to make room for some new blood. A few years ago I thought Simmons might evolve into an adequate starter for us. But injuries and a failure to get to a higher level of play ended that notion for me.
What are Sydney Jones measurables? Is he in the Seahawks Mold regarding height & arms? I know he didn’t have a combine – but is there any Sparq stats?
5116, 186, 31.5 arms, 73.25 wing, 4.47 40yd, 33.5 vert, 10’03” broad, 4.28 SS, 7.02 3C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK7mgtTLprI
This extra week in between preseason and regular season is fantastic. Please keep this in place, NFL!
Now.
Seahawks, that means you have still have time to make acquisitions & signings and get guys ready for Week One.
It’s possible (I may be reaching) they have a handshake deal with someone like Atkins but will wait until the post-53 to put guys they want to return from IR and sign him to fill the spot created, rather than sign him and have to take the chance of cutting guys.
I like it too. They can bump up their cap space a little with these final cuts. I think they are holding back to see what shakes loose, hopefully someone unexpected that wants to come to a winner and won’t have to go through waivers, or maybe someone who is an old blog favorite slips through waivers or trade for a late round pick. Also like the extra bye week for injuries.
That is NOT a fun fact Corbin
The Seahawks also lined Bellore up on DK Metcalf in slot for a snap in the mock game.
Good grief.
Fun if you’re a WR opposite him. Otherwise…………..for the love of God Pete!
Interior pressure we are unlikely ever get from Collier or Green. Either way I hope the young man can turn his life around. You can definitely see why we drafted him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheOBRFilmBDN/status/1432417919716167684?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1432417919716167684%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-36474919304076544044.ampproject.net%2F2108192119000%2Fframe.html
Saw this… he was clearly a #1rd talent (pre-season?) but let’s see how long he sticks mentally
Surplus to requirements now that we have Eskridge, right?
I’ll take Cade Johnson and Fuller (looks like he got cut) over him in second one: we need hungry guys who want to prove themselves.
Nothing quite sums up the year that was 2020 like the Phillip Dorsett era
Here’s a thought – maybe the Seahawks give him a physical before they sign him this time?
Naw dude, dude naw. Not seeing the point. 😉
Curhan makes it
https://twitter.com/RobRang/status/1432780174362243074?s=20
Jake Curhan made it — https://twitter.com/RobRang/status/1432780174362243074
Good for him!
Do we have ANY player/positional depth/redundancies on our roster that could hold ANY value to another team in trade? The only one I can think of is the safety position in Blair or Diggs.
Not all that much there.
Collins or Penny
LJ Collier or Green
Maybe Ogbuehi if both Curhan and Forsythe make the team?
Yeah. Those are possibles. Penny and Collier/Green passed through my mind. I just wondered whata their value would be to another team? Maybe a team really short on RB or a team like the Ravens’ who just lost a back might give a ring.
Anyway…we’re pretty thin all the way around when you look at it this way.
If we want to take a shot on a speedy WR, how about this guy the Chargers just cut instead of Dorsett or whoever? Was looking at the Chargers SB Nation page and they are all upset and confused about it.
https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/1432787373532844038
Hi Rob, just saw Paul Gallant was fired today from 710. Didn’t he have you on as a guest one time?
He posted a video on youtube called “an announcement”.
Right now I’d only keep Tre Flowers if he agrees to a substantial pay cut.
Why was he fired?
They hiring Mike Salk back, something like that
Well, he is terrible radio
Oh wow no more Danny O’niel either (hooray). Apparently I wasnt the only one who thought Danny and Gallant was abysmal.
Overdue for O’Niell. Way overdue.
Damn… he was so good at chastising the fans, too.
Maybe he didn’t ask enough of those hard hitting “how great is it having Bobby Wagner?” questions.
Desmond Trufant is available…
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/31/bears-release-desmond-trufant/
Anyone know if he’s still got it? Former Falcon, so he’s familiar with the scheme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GdYCjXXWd0
First of all I can see why they did it and frankly they were over a year late. The guy brings up good topics occasionally however, There’s to many times where he blurts shit out so loud that you can actually see your speaker cones tirn into lips and protrude from their encloseure.
NO sound engineer could EVER fix that, trust me I know I’m in the music industry. So Salk hired the guy, that says enough right there. They should have left Clayton alone. A lot don’t like him on here but I’m not one of theose.
Malik McDowell’s press conference after getting confirmed, highly recommended…I am seriously rooting for this guy, hope he turns his life around. That Brown’s D line is going to be S-C-A-R-Y, by the way…
https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1gqxvojeEjkKB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1432797249151582208%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fcleveland-browns
Wow, he looks transformed physically and mentally. Good for him.
When I saw that interview after watching a few of his pre-season highlights; it makes me think of Collier and just Shake my head.
Collier always seems to say he’s gonna come out and show something. Unfortunately I can’t remember a play all pre-season where he stuck out.
Here’s hoping McDowell keeps in line and Collier finally does something to be considered atleast a reliable part of the D-line and not disappoint.
I’m far less optimistic about Collier.
Sounds like a totally different person.
A man.
Yeah I’m past any resentment I feel about the pick not working out.
This is a cool comeback story and Ilk be cheering him on.
Is Forrest Lamp worth a look anymore?
Unfortunately Shaquem got cut by Miami
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/31/dolphins-cuts-include-shaquem-griffin/
Penny Hart got cut — sounds like they’re only going with 4 WRs.
I guess in a world where nobody really stood out for the 5th spot, with the expanded practice squad, it’s not crazy roster management to put 3 or 4 of these guys on the PS and just elevate them as needed.
Wow. Arizona is in a bad way with corners.
I know the feeling.
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix cut by the 49ers? Wish he could play corner.
Jake Curhan the only UDFA to make the roster then
Did you see something about Cade? I think he is the only other UDFA we are waiting to hear about.
Never mind, just saw this…
https://twitter.com/Seahawks/status/1432831131737477127
3 Quarterbacks? Huh.
Somebody check me. I only see 52 names there.
Sidney Jones?
I think its a pending physical, once he passes the physical he will be #53
Wide Receiver
Kept: Tyler Lockett, DK Metcalf, Dee Eskridge and Freddie Swain
Cut: Penny Hart, Darece Roberson, Connor Wedington, Travis Toivonen, Cody Thompson, Aaron Fuller and Cade Johnson
Announcements have been made — no Cade — only 4 WRs on the 53.
3 QBs — 5RBs — 4WRs —- a bit of an interesting roster make-up, at least as of right now.
I doubt that is latest, probably not reflecting the changes.
3 “true” LBs + Darrell Taylor (listed among the DLs…) for only 4 LBs too.
+Bellore I suppose for 5
Are you not counting Nick Bellore as a LB? Haven’t you heard about how versatile he is?
I heard he can even play corner
LOL
Bellore was listed on the offensive side of the roster
Tbf, Bellore actually is a LB who was converted to FB.
Interesting that Mannion is on the 53 and not being used as one of the two vets on PS. Also with only 4 WRs, I wonder if they want to bring in a vet like Dorsett or someone else. On defense, I think they need another LB for depth, Geno Atkins for DL depth, and maybe bring in Desmond Trufant for a tryout?
Since Mannion went like 15-17 in the last preseason game, any chance they kept him in hopes of trading him, even for like a 7th? Otherwise keeping him seems very odd.
Or conversely trying to trade Geno and keep Mannion as the backup?
Thought that probably doesn’t mean anything:
They’re guessing the WR market is flooded and they’ll be able sign Hart and Cade (and Thompson) to the PS
-or- make a move or two and bring one back to the 53 shortly.
-or- they feel they can go with 4 WRs since they ended the year with 4 and Everett is going to be more active. Which might mean that Colby is not far off from being available.
Curtis Weaver did indeed get cut.
Too bad about Nkemdiche – – was kind of hoping he’d be good enough to help.
so they kept all the RB’s then?
Damn, he’s not on the list at nfl.com. Thought he’d made it
I love how the last few years they always have these bizarre roster constructions, like this one. They play it off as “we are always competing!” “we are in every deal”. In reality, the 90 man roster was not good enough, not deep enough to construct a good complete 53 man. CB, WR, DT, is not good enough.
I remember when the team’s cuts went on to other rosters, and became starters/contributors right away. Now they wont be in the league, and we hope to scoop up some scraps to cover up the fact that there was not enough talent in place to adequately deal with the positions listed above.
Not sure, no excitement looking at our team. Feels incomplete. Why in the world Mannion makes this team, he was horrible even in per-season games.
Days when teams used to scoop our players on roaster cut day and we were praying that so and so player can be added to our PS. Looks like we might have put waiver for WR, TE and some other spots.
Mannion is a Waldron guy. Suspect they roster him to trade either him or Geno for a QB needy team or they didn’t think he’d clear waivers. Also, probably one gets released with any new signing.
Good luck trading Mannion or Geno Smith
I’m not saying they’re good, but are there better options waiting on the street? What other reason do they carry 3 QBs?
No idea why they’re doing it
But you wouldn’t be able to get a ham sandwich for either
I decided to go to the NFL garage sale. Came up with relatively little so far, though of course I don’t remember all the names:
https://www.nfl.com/news/player-cuts-tracker-nfl-teams-53-man-rosters-for-2021-season
Three names of interest, maybe:
WR Tyron Johnson from LAC could be an interesting look as a speedy deep threat (if they want to add another WR to the room).
OLB Christian Miller cut by CAR could be a pass rush specialist project. Has shown flashes but dealt with injuries. At this point, we take what we can get to try and add to the DL rotation (him and Atkins).
CB Jimmy Moreland cut by WAS has starting experience and could be added to the CB competition. Probably redundant now after the Jones trade. Unlikely to clear waivers anyways.
RB Kerryon Johnson I thought might be worth a flier, but nobody has picked him up for 4 days now, which signals to me that the injuries might have done him in for good.
And just checking in on a few old friends for fun while browsing…
Jordan Roos and Tedric Thompson cut by TEN.
Bo Scarbrough cut by LV.
Troymaine Pope, C.J. Prosise, Cyril Grayson cut by TB.
Keke Coutee waived in Houston, too. I’ve been a fan of his since college. I’m guessing someone will claim him because of his slot skills. I wouldn’t mind a claim from the Hawks.
Lots of young guys got cut, some interesting names…
DT Darius Mills
OC Michael Menet
OL Colton McKivitz
DT Albert Huggins
DE Hercules Mata’afa
DE Everson Griffen
LB Kamal Martin
WR Javon McKinley
LB Charles Snowden
WR Riley Ridley
TE Nick Eubanks
CB Isaiah Johnson
WR Keelan Doss
OL Prince Tega Wanogho
CB Holton Hill
TE Kahale Warring
RB Jaylen Samuels
RB Gerrid Doaks
CB Tim Harris
And lots of familiar ex-Seahawks!!!
Had my eye on Snowden.
Wouldn’t mind taking a look at Holton hill
Looking at the cut downs, I see precious little help at positions of need (CB, DT, TE). I could get on board with Hassan Ridgeway, Renell Wrenn, or Darius stills at DT. Thaddeus Moss at TE could be worth a look. Maybe Artie Burns at CB? Other players I wouldn’t mind kicking the tires on despite no obvious positional need:
Guard: Forrest Lamp
DE: Joe Jackson
WR: Antonio Calloway, Breshad Perriman, Jaydon Mickens
QB: Will Grier
words
If I could post a ren and stimpy “happy, happy, joy, joy” gif for this post, I would…
I’m at the point where I don’t really care at the moment…
I don’t think the Seahawks would have put Diggs up there if they weren’t close to some kind of resolution or understanding with him.
Witch hunt in JAX! Urban Meyer is so NOT an NFL coach and I love it. He is going to get himself in serious trouble though with the petty NFL/NFLPA coats and ties.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/31/nflpa-opens-investigation-regarding-urban-meyers-comments-as-to-considering-vaccination-when-making-cuts/
Insider noise around Denver is they’re shopping one of Darby or Fuller. They like Callahan in the slot and Surtain needs to be on the field.
What would you give up for Darby?
His contract is prohibitive to a Seahawks acquisition IMO.
Well, you could cut Rasheem Green and get $960,000 in cap room.
DJ Reed says they tried him at Left CB today in practice w Flowers at Right CB.
He says he’s happy to play wherever they want.
All aboard the Tre Flowers starting train…
Is that train the little one they have at the mall?
Not really sure why you’re being cynical Rob. They just get starters from the NFL scrap heap. That’s how winners are built. Draft? Pfft. Free agency? Nah!!! Just wait til the last second and add a cast off. That’s smart forward thinking .
I thinks its actually pretty sad that Flowers is still on the roster. It just shows that pc hasnt done enough for the secondary. Letting some of the big name signings go also shows how the pass rush will struggle and they didnt do anything other than let Reed go away. sad
*waves my ticket in celebration
Well at least you’re happy
But wait until you see the tepid selection of snacks available on board
Here are some interesting tidbits I found (some of which have probably been discussed already):
QB (3): Interesting to see Mannion made the 53.
RB (5): I kinda thought if Penny stuck around, Homer might get cut and PS’d
WR (4) this team has never carried so few WRs. I expect an addition soon
OL (11): Brown and his “holding in” creates a headache, but why not 10 total?
DL (9-10): I know Taylor is technically listed as DL, but has been playing LB. Is Atkins still a possible addition?
LB (3-5): With Taylor playing LB, there are 4 guys (5 if we count Bellore). There has gotta be a pickup, right?
CB (5): I know the Jones trade hasn’t been complete and that’s why we’ve got 52 players and Jones isn’t listed yet. Starters???
I could see us adding to: WR, DT and LB. I think those 3 spots could be shifted from: QB (Mannion), RB and OL. Thoughts?
I‘be seen several suggestions that Homer might go to the practice squad. That was never going to happen. He is too valuable picking up blitzes and on special teams.
I suspect that keeping three quarterbacks and only four wide receivers are connected. Sean Mannion is probably here to teach the scheme to the wide receivers on the practice squad. Geno Adkins is preparing to be the starter if Russ gets hurt. Then you cut Mannion mid-season when you need to make a move. He becomes a placeholder for when an opportunity arises.
Also, I am wondering if listing a player as an LB instead of a DE affects their compensation when it comes to the salary cap in some strange Byzantine way. If so, a lot of safeties might be listed as nickel backs after Buddha Baker and Jamal Adams blew up the market.
Roster spot is way too valuable to waste on a qb/coach like Mannion. They are waiting to get a 5th WR elsewhere and think they can stash their guys on the PS. It’s a stupid strategy born from poor roster construction to begin with.
The QB thing makes sense to me. The 53rd man is getting cut when we add other players. So the decision there doesn’t really matter. Just a placeholder. Its much better to cut Hart, Johnson, whoever on roster cut day when the waiver wire is full than wait until next week when maybe a team gets a sudden need due to injury. I’d bet that we don’t go through the season with 3 QB, if even week one. We will add another WR at a minimum.
So basically what you’re saying is it makes sense to operate with a 52-man roster for now rather than keep, say, Phil Haynes or add a player at a different position.