I’ve been able to watch a large portion of the Wednesday and Thursday practise sessions on ESPNU, plus some of Tuesday’s broadcast. However — and here’s the disclaimer — I have not had an opportunity to study every player in full. Most of my attention was focused on the offensive linemen.
The Senior Bowl will post complete practise footage at some point next week and this will include all reps. A year ago, my perspective on several players changed after watching these videos. I may well revise some of these thoughts down the line but these were my initial impressions…
Alex Leatherwood (T, Alabama)
I was a little bit underwhelmed by Leatherwood. I thought we’d see more attitude and intensity. He was angry and aggressive at Rivals in High School, drew plenty of cheers for the way he performed and looked like the definitive BAMF. Here, he looked a lot more reserved and somewhat played within himself during the 1v1 reps.
He said he was only coming to Mobile to play left tackle but unfortunately, he looked like he might be better kicking inside to guard. His feet were sluggish at times. He lost a speed/power rep to Williams Bradley-King. He was jolted into the backfield with a chest punch and while he recovered after initially losing balance, he lost the rep.
By Thursday he’d rounded into sharper form but he was beaten on his last 1v1 opportunity against a speed rush and there lies the issue. He has the size and the frame to be a good NFL lineman. Yet he’s limited athletically and his foot-speed and agility could mean his future is at guard. I came away questioning whether he deserves to be a first round pick.
Deonte Brown (G, Alabama)
Brown came into the week as one of the more overrated players in the draft. When he weighed in at 364lbs, people saw that as a positive. Twitter was buzzing. There should’ve been the opposite reaction.
He’s simply too big. This was a lumbering performance from Brown. His footwork was non-existent. Whenever he’s attacked from an angle instead of square-on he struggles. Even Marvin Wilson easily beat him on a B gap pressure. I was surprised how he struggled to anchor for his size at times.
By Wednesday and Thursday you could tell he was starting to question himself. His body language was abysmal. After reps he would lollop around, head down. The coaches were trying to get him going again but he knew it wasn’t going well and he was getting frustrated. His effort started to suffer.
He can’t move properly at this size and he needs to shift some weight. He currently weighs 30lbs more than DJ Fluker did at his combine. Brown only has 32 3/8 inch arms and that’s problematic too. He has all the worst characteristics of Fluker and none of the redeeming features such as insane length. Frankly, there are too many superior options at guard to covet Brown in this draft.
Marlon Tuipulotu (DT, USC)
He looked really good on day one. Tuipulotu flashed quickness and an effective swim move. He had good hand placement on a rep against Deonte Brown and drove him deep into the backfield.
As the week went on though, he became more of a mixed bag. On day two there were times where he was easily blocked and couldn’t disengage. He was pushing the pocket but caught in a tangle and didn’t have a free arm. His lack of arm length creates issues because he can’t press and stay clean. He had rough reps against ECU’s D’Ante Smith and Grambling State’s David Moore. When you get into his frame he can’t disconnect.
Trey Smith (G, Tennessee)
In terms of pure aesthetics, Smith looks like a first round pick. If you wanted to draw a picture of an ideal NFL guard, he would be it. Stood next to the other linemen during reps he stuck out like a sore thumb. This is what teams are looking for when it comes to physical appearance. However, this was a much more mixed week than I think the broadcasters were suggesting.
On day two he got beat on a counter by an undersized edge rusher who took a rep inside. Wyatt Hubert is 6-2, 265, with 30 inch arms and a 77 wingspan. Smith did well initially to engage but the defender threw him off balance using his left arm, then switched inside.
This is concerning. He should be overwhelming guys like that, not being tossed aside. He did overwhelm Hubert on the second rep but the damage was done. The thought was already placed in my mind — ‘if this is what happens against a short-armed edge, what happens against Aaron Donald?’
Smith also lost fairly easily to Carlos Basham on another rep, lunging and reaching for Basham’s frame. He easily swam away and burst into the backfield. Smith looked like a man without a plan. He just went after his opponent who was two moves ahead on the board.
He did well against Chauncey Golston and Cam Sample, overwhelming both. But against the bigger, athletic guys he struggled. In a two minute drill session on day three he got beat again because his hands were nowhere. No punch. No engagement. He’s flailing his arms and he’s just so easy to swim against. At times it wasn’t good at all but on the TV, Louis Riddick declared he’d ‘pitched a shutout’.
You can get into his pads too and drive him back. On other occasions though, he looked like the best guard in Mobile. The athleticism is clearly there and he can move his feet well. When he connects and lands with his hands, he finishes. He blocked to the ground and played to the whistle on numerous occasions.
He has the frame and teams are going to be extremely tempted to get him in and sort out the problems. He has the upside. I’m just not sure I’d want to be the one taking the chance unless he drops to the middle rounds — especially with his history of health problems.
Ben Cleveland (G, Georgia)
He missed practise on Wednesday and Thursday with an injury unfortunately. On day one he showed his feet and hands work together. His footwork and athleticism are better than some people make out. He’s incredibly strong. He’s enormous but carrying minimal bad weight. There’s a lot to work with here. If you want someone to go into battle with, Cleveland is that type of guy. We didn’t get a chance to see it here but against Auburn, I saw their defensive linemen ready to surrender. They were giving up against him. Too strong. Too powerful. I want some of that.
Aaron Banks (G, Notre Dame)
This wasn’t the week I necessarily expected from Banks. The most impressive thing he did was reach up to the second level in 11v11 drills on Wednesday and Thursday. He had some superb blocks working up to the linebackers. With his size, it’s not easy to operate in space like that. That’s a big positive and speaks to his upside.
However, I thought we’d see a bit more dominance square up. He gave up a pressure against Levi Onwuzurike on day one. Onwuzurike crossed his face and Banks lurched in a weak attempt at a block. He had trouble shifting his weight back to the right having set. It’s something to consider because although he anchors well — at that size you’ll give up pressures without better footwork and the ability to transfer your weight quickly.
Creed Humphrey (C, Oklahoma)
Initially he looked like a class act. His knee bend and control was impressive. He has strong hands that are connected to his feet. Yet as time went on some concerns emerged.
He needs to get his hands in the right spot off the snap. Too often he places his hands to the outside of the frame then fights to reposition inside.
Humphrey lost a rep to an Ohio State pass rusher by not landing with his hands initially, allowing the defender to keep his frame clean and wriggle through to the quarterback. It’s hard to win when your hand placement isn’t good.
He also had a terrible rep against Ta’Quon Graham where he basically just reached out his right arm to try and engage but there was no strength to the punch. He just extended his arm. Graham swiped it away and swam into the backfield.
He easily dealt with Patrick Jones two reps later — but who didn’t handle Patrick Jones? Humphrey’s short arms might knock him out of contention for Seattle and he needs to work out a better way to connect with his hands. Even so, he does a lot well and he’ll be a really solid top-50 pick.
Spencer Brown (T, Northern Iowa)
Unfortunately his footwork was all wrong. He points his outside leg and leaves open the inside counter. He needs a lot of work there. He also has a massive, 6-8 frame and it creates a huge target to punch and knock him off balance. Brown has athletic potential but he’s a major project on this evidence.
D’Ante Smith (T, East Carolina)
I thought he showed a ton of potential. He handled the big names (Basham, Roche). His footwork is light, he uses his length (35 1/4 inch arms, 85 inch wingspan) to extend to keep his frame clean but he retains balance and doesn’t overextend. He smothered Roche on a bull rush and recovered well when he didn’t win initially.
He was fun to watch and he displayed a physical edge. He’s 6-5 and 294lbs so clearly he could benefit from adding weight. Smith could be a nice developmental tackle or guard option. He didn’t practise on day three due to injury.
Quinn Meinerz (C, UWW)
Arguably the star of Mobile this year. He’s 6-3 and 320lbs with an 82 inch wingspan and 33 inch arms. He has 10 2/8 inch hands. He’s immensely strong and powerful. This was a ‘wow’ performance that could elevate him into the second round. Yes — he’s an option for the Seahawks.
For starters, those measurables are exactly what they look for. We also know they want explosive traits on the O-line. Well, this suggests to me that he would’ve delivered a really good vertical at the combine:
Heavy skill 🚀 pic.twitter.com/lFt2p5t8hh
— Quinn Meinerz (@QMeinerz) October 3, 2020
Meinerz really got after opponents. His technique at times was non-existent but he was still finding a way to win. He absolutely destroyed a couple of defenders, one of which was Levi Onwuzurike, in the running portion of an 11v11 drill.
When he’s jolted off balance he seems to straighten his back, bench press and recover. He contorts his body and just shows so much power and control. He lined up at guard and beasted Patrick Jones (again, who didn’t?) — dumping him right on his arse.
He has great feet with an easy slide, he connects and finishes. It wasn’t a perfect display and he lost a couple of reps to Onwuzurike, who used an effective swim/rip. Meinerz was left hanging on a bit. On another rep Onwuzurike threw him off after engaging contact. Still, this was against one of the top D-liners in the draft class.
Overall Meinerz combines a compact frame with power and good feet. He could slot in at center or guard but just look at his body. He was born to be a center. We know the Seahawks put a lot of faith in the Senior Bowl. A lot of their draft picks are players who performed well in Mobile. Meinerz is one to watch. He’s similar to Ali Marpet who was also a small-school guy who dominated at the Senior Bowl. He had great length, athleticism and he was explosive. Marpet was the #61 pick in 2015. It’s very possible Meinerz could be the guy at #56 (if he lasts that long).
David Moore (G, David Moore)
He showed good hand placement and is very strong. He made it difficult for defenders to disengage and brought some genuine intensity to the drills. He had a good week and there’s a lot of potential here. He only has 32 5/8 inch arms though.
Patrick Jones (DE, Pittsburgh)
Having talked him up all year, this was a total shocker. Jones was painfully disappointing. He had no pop, no quickness. He struggled in 1v1’s every day. He just offered nothing. It was one of the most underwhelming Senior Bowl performances I can recall.
At times, it was embarrassing to be brutally honest. He was on the turf constantly. He never showed any quickness to find the edge and win with speed. Whenever he engaged the tackle he’d usually be dumped on his backside. There was no strength in his hands and his lack of length (32 inch arms) showed up with opponents regularly getting into his frame. He offered no effective counter.
I had him in round one but I’m left wondering if he’s even a top-75 prospect based on this evidence.
Marvin Wilson (DT, Florida State)
He was so inconsistent. He’s very busy when he engages but takes an age to counter or disengage. He had a hilarious moment where he clubbed one of the coaches acting as the QB in 1v1’s and cracked him straight in the balls. The coach went down.
His conditioning concerns linger. He looked absolutely shot in his final rep of 1v1’s against David Moore.
If this was an opportunity to repair his plummeting stock I don’t think he took it. Much like Alex Leatherwood, he didn’t flash the same intensity and sheer quality that he showed at Rivals as a younger player.
D’Wayne Eskridge (WR, Western Michigan)
He was getting in and out of his breaks easily. He’s fluid, sudden and physical. Eskridge has a thick yet diminutive frame. He extends his hands and reaches out to pluck the football. You can’t give him a free release. Several corners couldn’t cover him and he beat Ambry Thomas. I thought he looked like the receiver with the most upside in Mobile and I think he’s a top-45 lock.
Kadarius Toney (WR, Florida)
He knows how to create subtle separation in tight coverage and he was able to win easily in some reps too. Yet he lacked concentration when catching and had three drops on Wednesday. He gets a lot of hype in the media and he’s a good player. I’m just not sure he’s quite the can’t-miss prospect some are making out.
Nico Collins (WR, Michigan)
Just a natural receiver. He has great body control. He can high point on fades and box out in the red zone. He finds ways to make the catch when covered and consistently wins contested catches. Collins also has good hands and he runs silky routes. He just lacks a second gear and isn’t that fast. That could be a problem at the next level.
Mac Jones (QB, Alabama)
Fantastic performance that will have teams thoroughly reassured. He looked at home on the field — in total command and very relaxed. He passed with accuracy and touch across the middle. Everything looked crisp. Some issues were also present too. He can’t drive the ball into tight windows in the red zone and he lacks the arm strength to threaten deep. That said, he could easily have a Matt Hasselbeck type career in the right system.
Kellen Mond (QB, Texas A&M)
Unlike Jones, Mond had no trouble in the red zone or driving the ball downfield. He had great sharpness to his throws. They were direct and to the target quickly. He has the big arm and he flicks his wrist to generate velocity with a quick release. His red zone work was excellent. He led a superb two-minute drill for a touchdown and two-point conversion on Thursday. As a second or third round pick to draft and develop, he’s a great option for a team with an ageing QB.
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Thanks for sharing the notes. I’ve got the Day 3 WR/DB drills still to look at too.
Also, on another topic, this makes me laugh. Everybody knows you want Watson, the point is he doesn’t want you…
Meinerz & D’Ante Smith were my 2 big winners this week in terms of draft stock up.
Thought Melifonwu had a really good week. That’s a big, long, physical corner who has deep speed that can blanket receivers due to his length, but also looks ideal in off coverage.
Agree Vol if they were our first two picks it would be a solid investment in the OL. Starting Centre and legit developmental OT.
They even Smith playing inside too. From the tiny but I saw, he didnt look bad there. Definitely think his future is as an OT, but teams wanted to see him inside there.
Seattle could use some quickness anyways, but even more now w/ the possibility of mid zone stuff.
I didn’t have time for this, thanks for keeping me up to date Rob. Meinerz looks tough, has he played guard before? I wonder if there’s a chance Seahawks could go CB with their first pick.
My top 4 players in this Senior Bowl:
OL- Quinn Meinerz
OL- Ben Cleveland
DL- Janarius Robinson
WR- D’Wayne Eskridge
This is so tough to see. We barely have the resources to pick some of these guys to help fill major holes on this team. I think Cleveland and Meinerz should definitely be in discussion at 56. I wish we could see Robinson fall to round 4 but I just doubt it will happen because of his superb physical profile. Eskridge would be my first round pick if we had one.
Not to forget Javonte Williams who isn’t a senior. This sucks, it really does.
It sucks in not being able to evaluate him vs. top end peers, but could (fingers crossed) work into our advantage, as it leaves him a tad bit more of an intriguing pick vs. tested. In years past, we have seen lots of players rocket up the charts by their Senior bowl performance OR the combine. This year…Be awesome to have our pick of him OR a top end Guard @ 56; the other through FA. A stud LG & stud RB is our biggest need this yr IMO; think we can gap fill the rest in 2021 with cheaper FAs or short term extensions.
I have really enjoyed watching Meinerz this week. He has shown a great, nasty attitude that I want on an OL.
If the Seahawks got the hypothetical mid-first from Miami in a trade for Adams, would you rather use it for a top talent like Najee Harris or try to trade back for two top-50s and try a pair, say Eskridge and Meinerz?
Did anyone of you watch closely Richie Grant? I read a lot about him, saw Pauline, Bruglers and other raved about his performance at SB, and by all means he is perfect player for Seahawks cover 1/3 single high role.
Thanks very much for your work on the SB Rob. I want to watch, I just don’t have the eye to pick up on things and get as much out of it as I could. The recaps and notes really, really help.
Ditto….Thx Rob. The recaps, notes, and interviews are a real asset!
The Hasselbeck comp for Mac Jones is PERFECT. They even have similar mannerisms and pocket movement. Both seem to really process the game at a high level. I’ve always wondered if it’s an advantage for a QB, from a development standpoint, to not have gaudy physical tools. Obviously there is a baseline for physical tools at the NFL level, but there are plenty of guys (Brees, Brady, etc) who have had great careers simply being accurate and processing the game at an elite level.
I’ve started writing an off-season ‘plan’ for the Seahawks. Basically what I would consider doing.
It’s going to take all weekend to get it right. I’ve just written 2000 words in less than an hour. Need a break. It’s Friday.
As I’m writing it I was thinking ‘how exciting would it be if they did this?’ while also thinking, ‘they’re not going to do this’.
Very interested in reading that one. Mostly I love that you used the words “I Would consider doing” versus using the words “what they should do” as for some reason that bothers me when people write that. Maybe that is being very nitpicky but either way cant wait for that piece.
Maybe they will save your time by signing Adams on big extension before friday ends. 😁
This team can still surprise like with Waldron. They are up against it and have proven that they can make good decisions with the pressure on in the past. Can’t wait for your plan. Maybe it will get spoken in to existence.
I’m looing forward to reading this. I appreciate how thoughtful your articles are and how well you build and articulate your arguments.
I certainly don’t have a lot of opinions around players that would fit because I just don’t really know. But the one thing I really hope they do is make sure there are no gaping roster holes before the draft. Whatever draft capital they end up with, I hope that it’s to find the best player instead of forcing picks to fill gaps they couldn’t or refused to fill in the early stages of free agency. I know it’s not always possible, but I hate it when teams go into the draft needing a DE or WR or whatever and get stuck taking someone just because they’re desperate – you know, the Taylor/Collier scenario.
If you see this before you’re done with your thoughts, could you add in your thoughts on a couple things (if it’s convenient)
As I look at the roster where I see players who aren’t matching their salary, there are two that stand out to me the most.
1) Jarren Reed – I think he’s a good player, but I just don’t know if he’s good enough for that price right now. What’s your opinion on cutting him or trading him? (And what kind of draft capital do you think they’d get if he were traded?)
2) Bobby – He’s been great and solid, but his cap hit for a MLB has not been great or solid. He’s getting paid elite money and I just don’t see it on the field. I think we’ve already seen the best of Bobby and it’s just going to be downhill from here (actually downhill from two years ago). In fairness…the freaking Jets are to blame for that one. I don’t like/think they’ll cut or trade him, but here’s my thought- they don’t extend him after 2021 and if his decline continues they just allocate that top money to Adams. Backload Jamal’s contract so in ’21 he’s making that $9-10, $14ish for 22, and then $22+ the next two years. (I agree that it isn’t/wasn’t the best idea to put that much into a safety, but I think that they like his leadership and attitude too much to trade him. They probably see him as the alpha on D that they want to build around)
Thanks Rob!
I forgot to include in this idea that they’d cut Bobby after 2021 if he isn’t willing to restructure to something more team-friendly…I feel dirty just typing that
I don’t think you’ll get much for him at all. I agree with your assessment but I want to build in the trenches and he’s one of the better D-liners they have.
I would consider trading Wagner & Adams.
“ I don’t think you’ll get much for him at all. I agree with your assessment but I want to build in the trenches and he’s one of the better D-liners they have.”
Isn’t that a contradiction Rob, paying someone $14M if no one will give up anything of value for him. I like Reed but before adding Dunlap he didn’t do much on his own. If we have to really look at everything he should be evaluated too.
No it’s not a contradiction. I want to be good in the trenches. And he is one of the better players we have in the trenches.
It’s interesting to see a different review than you see yourself. I personally had slightly different takes on Humphrey and Mond. I’ll have to go back and watch more or watch again and assess my own thoughts.
I thought Humphrey had a fantastic week. But I didn’t see the bad reps. His Reps at guard yesterday were very nice too. His IQ is obviously top notch. I just wish he had a little more attitude to him.
Mond- I thought he was what he always has been. And that’s not BAD per say. The right team could win with him, but I just don’t see the big ceiling. He’s got a big arm, he’s mobile, but I just don’t have a lot of hope/belief that he could be a whole lot more than he is now. I see the current tools, just having problems seeing more than that.
Humphrey had some really rough reps with his hand placement. Started well but faded. Some technical issues he needs to fix.
Not sure what you’re disagreeing with on Mond to be fair. I said R2-3, not top-10 or anything.
Mond has progressively grown year in and year out. Granted there have been some not-so-great years, but this past year he stepped into his role and was very competent as the leader for the Aggies. He has vision and arm strength to get the job done. He is decisive and can move either by design or need. Rob has him pegged correctly as a R2-3 prospect that a team can develop into the future and I believe that Mond will continue to develop.
Bummer to hear Patrick Jones has been getting worked over. He’s been a favorite of mine for a couple of years. Thought his tape looked great and a bit surprised to hear his arms are so short.
Rob,
Love your articles. So full of insight and information gives me a lot to think about. There is one topic I would love to read about your viewpoints on the subject. How does the lack of preseason work due Covid 19 affect teams design of offensive or defensive schemes.
Are the “changes” we want realistic with the time frame given the current circumstances. What are realistic expectations of change that we can hope for with new OC coordinator. It appears that this year training camp year will be shortened as it was last year. Anyway look forward to your thoughts on the subject.
I would say it’s unhelpful but ultimately something all teams have to deal with.
And I don’t think the Seahawks need to make massive changes. I just think they need to actually game plan for their opponents better and be capable of making adjustments.
Here’s an article that continues to shed light on Meinerz’ path: https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-draft-meet-the-diii-prospect-with-exposed-belly-and-broken-hand-stealing-the-senior-bowl-show-023339689.html. I love the attitude, no entitlement there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so5tF4_ICxU&ab_channel=RivalsVideoRivalsVideo
Certainly one of the more entertaining LG highlight tapes out there.
Whoa… looks like he’s in the wrong league there! Gonna have to play with the older kids.
that is some aggression right there….
Just a couple of absentees to note who’d accepted invites to the Senior bowl, both players you’ve been high on Rob. Elijah Molden and Dayo Odeyingbo. I’ve read Dayo has ruptured his Achilles which is gutting for him. I hope he returns to school for another year to recover and prove his fitness in the 2022 draft. Any ideas what happened to Elijah Molden?
Perhaps Osa Odighizuma of UCLA could be an interesting alternative to Dayo Odeyingbo? He’s looking good at the Bowl, pushing from the interior, weighing 280lb with 34 inch arms.
Phew
let’s goooooo
Banks, Cleveland, Meinerz… probably Seahawks pick at 56. Dark horse Brown.
Rob – I know you’ve talked up Banks for quite some time, but possibly this showing has him making it to 56 in this scenario?
Possibly, yes.
I would say big no to Brown. Doesn’t have the arm length they like either.
If you could have your choice between Banks, Cleveland and Meinerz – who would you like for the Seahawks?
…at this point…as I know some things have changed.
It’s a hard one to answer. I like all of them. But I think Meinerz would be my answer currently.
Where do I sign?
Meinerz is a freaking stud….
http://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1355271813471866886
Fascinating showdown going in Mobile: UW-Whitewater O-lineman Quinn Meinerz is currently pleading with Senior Bowl National team coach Brian Flores. An impassioned debate. Meinerz, who broke his hand snapping, is fighting to play in the game. Unreal.
Would be cool if we could pair both he and Lewis together for a decade.
Dark horse Robert Hainsey, ND
Had a solid week, despite playing RG instead of RT.
On DL, I thought Daelin Hayes was doing a good job.
But I absolutely think, Elerson Smith, Northern Iowa, should be on our board.
Sources: Matthew Stafford considers the Rams a viable contender in his trade market with the Lions. While it’s unclear what the Rams can do with Jared Goff’s long-term deal on the books, they’ve explored the possibilities with Stafford.
https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1355280011549437955?s=19
Please NO
I like Stafford but that doesn’t worry me to be honest
The Rams are stuck with Goff until at least end of 2022, when his dead money is down to 10.4 mill. Realistically..end of 2023 when hit is 1.4. They are already 32mill over the current cap in 2021. Seems like just click bait to me.
Bigger threat is SF. Jimmy is only has 4.2 mill in dead money if the y cut him tomm, and 10 mill below current Cap. They have all sorts of opportunities to explore, and get better; that worries me
I agree with you about SF. They had a down year due to ungodly number injuries. Because of that they’ll have a decent draft position and will have a lot of flexibility due to JimnyG’s contract. My biggest disappointment about this year’s early exit was that we didn’t take advantage of SF’s down year. Next year they’ll be a force to deal with.
I think Stafford ends up in Indy with Frank. Makes too much sense. The Rams are stuck this coming year and have to deal with it.
I ended up writing that whole off-season plan.
Expect it to drop next week.
New mock draft also ready.
Thanks for all of the great content!
Now, I have another reason to hit refresh dozens of time during the work day next week.
Damn man. Going hard in the paint. How many words did all that end up being?
3287. I completely changed the format and mixed it up. It was too wordy so I’ve streamlined the approach.
Looking forward to both. Heard me say it a hundred times by now in 6 years or whatever, but still dont know how u do it. And consistently good, often great, stuff. 👏👏
Thanks man
I just finally caught up and more forthcoming. The content king.
Not only in quantity but primarily in quality. Thanks for everything you do, Rob!
Seconded
been slammed and didn’t get a chance to write a reasoned reply – but thought your Jamal article was one of your best, not b/c I agree with the conclusion, but b/c it was provocative in the best kind of way.
to be honest, felt to me like something that someone should be paying you for.
Same. I always think debates & discussions in sports can be more fun when we can look at the ‘other’ side of the coin.
Agree 💯
Thanks — I wish someone would pay me for it 😂
I’m pretty sure that offer will come in soon.
Agree wholeheartedly. Always used to love Mike Sando on FieldGulls back in the day and your level of Seahawks knowing needs and ideas on team building are superior imo
Looking forward to the plan in particular. Sure do appreciate then effort.
Don’t make me up my patron contribution! I gotta save money for GME
Can’t wait to read it. Always love your perspective. Great stuff. Thank you…
Don’t know how, maybe it’s the optimist in me, think Seattle’s day 2 of the draft looks like:
2nd
3rd
3rd
Scott Fitterer fires Rhule and names Ken Norton Jr the head coach.
Book it.
Oh stop, Cha! Kenny isn’t that kinda guy! 😉
Ben Cleveland (G, Georgia)
Is his natural position LG? If so, might as well add him to the list of possible Seahawks targets.
Would he last until the bottom of the 2nd?
Quinn Meinerz (C, UWW)
He is actually slightly larger than they have had at center for a decent number of years. Bring some attitude at RG and C…… could really start rushing the ball more effectively off the right side of the line. Any shot he lasts to the mid of the 3rd round?
Yes and yes (if not later but I like him a lot).
Doubt it
A “must get for us”… well, ok then!
Glad to hear Russ is (reportedly) on board.
Nice.
I’ll believe it when I hear Russ say it (or a facsimile of it).
Thought there was quote (maybe in the trade Adams thread) where Russ basically said he was onboard?
Cha posted this above:
That was it. Thank SM
Cool! Thanks for digging that up.
Seahawks hired Andy Dickerson too. Should be a good fit to have two coaches from the Rams. If only there was a way to get some practice before next season. There will be a lot of learning on the fly.
Rob,
You are onto something with Quinn Meinerz… and, unlike a few other guys in this same set of practices, continued to practice through a painful injury (broken bone in hand)… which shows heart and grit and toughness you can’t always know 100% from tape or even interviews. Stock sky rocketed imo.
Another take on this guy….
Quinn Meinerz, interior O-lineman, Wisconsin-Whitewater. Meinerz was the most impressive player during practices, from start to finish. He was a relative unknown coming into the week, hailing from a Division III school. Well, not only did he prove he belonged, he showed everyone that he’s one of the best players here. Meinerz was dominant, displaying plenty of power and strength. No one should have any questions about his toughness either, as he reportedly played through a broken bone in his right hand on Thursday. He’s going to be a quality starting interior offensive lineman in the NFL.
Daniel Jeremiah
What is the minimum you would take for Adams?
A mid round first and a second for adams. I think his value has plummeted since last offseason and they might not even be able to get that for him.
IMO there are so many good receivers in this draft. Lockett last year of deal should be traded and draft one high with the draft pick. I know a lot of you disagree but this should happen. Money saved up to sign a quality guard or center
No it shouldn’t.
You have to build around Wilson. Trading away a regular 1000 yard receiver only to then need to replace him early in the draft would be madness.
I hope Lockett retires as a Seahawk many years from now. Even if you believe he is past his prime, he would still make a great 2nd or 3rd or 4th receiver. Assuming the Seahawks found other receivers – and that is a big assumption. How great would it be if the Seahawks did have that many great receivers.
Minimum? Probably mid first and a 3rd
If Dolphins give us #18 and #50 we should go for it. I wouldn’t take less than a first and a second, maybe a first, a third and a good player.
Mid first and next year 2nd.
Upper half 2nd and a 3rd
I’d take 18 & 81 from miami if they offered without even thinking about it. If it’s miami’s 1st and 2nd in 2021 Seattle would be crazy not to take it.
Obviously everyone wants a first for Jamal.
But would you guys think something like this might be plausible?
2021
Pats 2nd round
Pats 4th rd
2022 pats 1st round pick
I would take it.
https://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41106811-4
That quote from PC is interesting. Good, but interesting.
Problem of riches.. fruits of good drafts.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/29/orlando-brown-tweets-im-a-left-tackle/
Wonder if they’d trade one of their left tackles for Bobby.
When i remebered his combine performance… 😔
He is worth 1st round pick and someone will give it to Ravens… Its not easy to find franchise LT… If we didnt ga e it for Adams i would be all in for that trade…
LTs make more $ than RTs which is why he is stating he is one. I’m not saying he’s not. Just mentioning the reason behind the statement.
https://twitter.com/seniorbowl/status/1354075851067973634?s=19
That’s quite impressive…
Indeed. He had a rough time in the 1v1’s though…
Hope this means they are letting him hit the market
https://twitter.com/shaquillg/status/1355497743205199872?s=21
If this is a tweet about the team, its indicative of why he has to move on. Not as good as he and many others think he is.
Seems obvious it is about the team.
Yes, this time i think its about seahawks.. They just dont have money for him…and he was average at best last year… I think public life, tw shows with Shaqueem ect affect a lot on his game…
Imo they will pay Dunbar and maybe find one more young guy…
Honestly, I won’t miss him if he’s not back next year. Good player, not great. We were really spoiled having Sherm as our CB1 for all those years.
It’s Sherm
That would be the right thing to do. I’m sorry for his brother but I wouldn’t miss him much either. Most likely KJ will also listen to offers, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they would also let Carson look for better offers before putting a low salary contract on his table.
Diggs answer on this twitt is
“make me pull up dawg”…
What does that mean?
No idea
Money.
Neither guy wants to take a hit and make less than “they are worth”.
Diggs would rather crash the plane (leave Seattle) than take less money on a new contract from them.
He’s noticing that the Hawks are not jumping to extend him and he feels slighted. I don’t blame him for feeling that way. But I also don’t blame PC/JS for not giving him a big contract. A good player but not great to be worth a big CB contract. Sorry, but true.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Sherm come back. But his body is breaking down and he was injured a lot in 2020. So that’s a concern. He seemed more older statesman, mature and team player/leader these past two years. Rob, I think that’s what you’re referring to and I agree that will be his plus.
Sorry Shaq, we aren’t in the business of giving big contracts to mediocre players. One good thing about him is his ball skills got a little better. Still can’t jam receivers off line, not good closing speed and the one thing I miss so much is fiery grit (don’t see any in him). I would be way more bummed to lose DJ Reed. He has grit
Trey smith looked good on day 3 1v1 drills.
He had some really rough moments too
Let’s say we are able to trade Jamal for a decent package of picks. What would you think of bringing Sherm back to play that same kind of role as a strong safety. He was always attacking the football and the play when he was a CB and was a darned good tackler. His vision of the play and the field was always spot on.
Anyway, just thinking out loud.
I’d bring Sherm back… but to play corner
No thanks. That ship has sailed for me. He is not the same player he was in his prime. Now he battles injuries and has lost several steps. His divisiveness in the locker room, and grudge against Carroll, helped bring down the team last time. The attitude on this team is a needed breath of fresh air. Also, he still views himself as a player worthy of a premium contract (he said SF likely won’t be able to afford him). I’d be shocked and disappointed if they try a replay.
I think being let go by a few teams these past few years will bring a degree of humility. He’s also smart enough to know he’s not who he was and is closer to hanging than than he is a superstar anymore. A see a reunion as possible.
A lot has changed since then.
Perfect mentor for younger DB’s.
No need to be worried about it.
At the right price. This is a moneyball year.
Sherman vs Griffin
Essentially both were rated near each other in terms of PFF.
As for the Seahawks, I would rather start from scratch and go from there. Neither guy will get what they think they are owed and neither is worth “big” money at this stage. If Sherman landed with the Jets, I would not be shocked at this outcome. Young team, needing players who can teach, who have a HC that he clicks with…. over the last 10 years with multiple teams.
I think you’re in for a shock
Man I love me some hot stove
I hope he lands with Rams, I ain’t scared of him and keeps them from getting a better QB.
Lions’ staff is trending in the right direction IMO. Brad Holmes is an excellent talent evaluator and Dan Campbell has already brought some juice to the HC role. Mark Brunell is probably one of the best QB coaches you could imagine. Aaron Glenn is heavily underrated. And I expect D’Andre Swift to really show his skills in an Anthony Lynn-led offense that will focus on taking pressure of off their young QB. They’re also doing right by Stafford and not making this more messy than it has to be.
Within two-three years, this could be a team back in the playoff hunt.
Agreed, think they’ve put together a good staff. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
I’m not some GM genius but if we could pull off a trade for Adam’s and get Eskridge, Meinerz and either a solid DT prospect/CB Prospect I would trade Adam’s and Wagz and try to net a 1st, 2nd and 4th and reload on the fly
Can’t wait to here how Meinerz plays in the Senior Bowl. Plan on watching more of Eskridge. Rob, does Eskridge have any Tyreek Hill or Tyreek Hill lite in him?
100% yes
When it comes to the trade talk of Adams I see two parts of it. First there is the cap space/draft picks portion of it and secondly there is the scheme fit part of it. Personally I think we would be fine with the first part of it as there is always ways to make it work. The reason I would want to trade him is for for the second part. I just dont think we get the proper value for what he brings to the team.