Richard Sherman returned with a boom against the Rams
Maybe the relationship is permanently broken?
Perhaps this article is a total waste of time?
Certainly when Richard Sherman departed Seattle, it felt right for both parties.
The sideline blowup when Darrell Bevell chose to throw at the one-yard line. The articles littered with critical anonymous sources, talking of dysfunction. Threatening to ‘ruin’ a journalist’s career for asking a fair question.
By the end, Sherman seemed angry and disillusioned. Perhaps justifiably so? The Seahawks had a legendary team and failed to capitalise with titles. The crushing defeat to New England was always going to leave scars.
Yet at the same time, s**t happens. The Seahawks shouldn’t have let that one horrible moment define them. Instead of being a great motivating factor, it appeared to split the team. They still battled and fought and tried to reach the pinnacle once more. Yet whenever things started to go wrong, the old wounds reopened.
The reset at the end of 2017 was necessary. The Seahawks needed a fresh start with new personnel. Players like Sherman also, arguably, needed a fresh start too. A move to a division rival was right up his street. Just as the presence of Jim Harbaugh was beautiful motivation early in his career, now an opportunity to sock it to Seattle was equally appealing.
The move paid off and he came close to another Super Bowl ring.
Ultimately though, I wonder if that defeat to Kansas City was an epiphany moment. You can plan and prepare and execute. You can put yourself in a position to win. Sometimes, you just don’t.
The images that more or less defined Kansas City’s comeback were of Sherman getting beat by Sammy Watkins or face-planting as Damien Williams clinched a go-ahead score.
Anyone can make mistakes. Sherman wasn’t to blame for that loss, just as Bevell or Russell Wilson or Pete Carroll didn’t deserve total blame for one heartbreaking moment in a game where Seattle carried a 10-point lead into the fourth quarter and were the walking wounded by the end.
I don’t know if the Super Bowl earlier this year delivered an epiphany. Maybe it could be the catalyst for a come-together moment in the future?
Here’s what I think I do know, however…
One, Sherman is still a hell of a player. He returned from injury against the Rams and the 49ers defense immediately felt different. He was tight in coverage throughout. He made plays against the run. It was classic Sherman and he gained a PFF grade of 80.4 as the Niners upset LA.
Secondly — Sherman will always be synonymous with Seattle. This spell in Santa Clara is a mere footnote in a long, detailed tome. A statue of ‘the tip’ should still be built. When he enters the Hall of Fame, it’ll be a moment celebrated by the entire Pacific Northwest and he will do so as a Seahawks legend.
I think it’s clear he still has affection for the city. This is Richard’s team. We all know it really.
Many relationships are still firmly in tact. Look at this embrace between Sherman and Bobby Wagner on the night Seattle beat the Niners:
Here’s Russell Wilson with Sherman after the same game:
Here’s Sherman working out with several Seahawks during the off-season:
Here’s some more photos of DK Metcalf, Richard Sherman, Josh Gordon and Bobby Wagner all training together pic.twitter.com/4ZnkPA8h6b
— Vountee🐢🇲🇽 (@vountee) May 21, 2020
The one relationship that matters the most though, is Sherman and Pete Carroll. I think it’s clear that Carroll felt hurt by the way it ended with Sherman. I think it was sadness rather than anguish though. This is very different to the Earl Thomas situation.
I also wonder if Sherman will ever forgive Carroll for cutting him and moving on — especially as he was injured at the time. It might’ve been right for the Head Coach but that doesn’t mean it was necessarily right in the eyes of Richard. When trust is broken, it’s hard to get it back.
This image suggests, to me, it’s not an irreparable situation:
Sherman or Carroll might think the past is the past and it’s time to move on. I hope, however, that the pair can see the mutual benefit of a reunion.
The Seahawks are facing a bleak situation at cornerback in 2021. Shaquill Griffin, who hasn’t played especially well this year, is a free agent. The Seahawks should be prepared for him to depart if the price is too high. Quinton Dunbar feels like a one-and-done. The only other cornerbacks on the roster are Tre Flowers and D.J. Reed.
They only have three draft picks. Signing outsiders for this system simply hasn’t worked over the years and the well has run dry in terms of development.
The Seahawks need a proven, experienced, quality cornerback. There is simply no one better than Sherman for that role.
It’s a clear solution to a huge looming problem. It would also be a moment to cherish for the team, the player and the fans.
He would provide expert cover skills, knowledge, leadership, guidance and perhaps most importantly — toughness and turnovers.
You might point to his injury record (he’s missed most of this season). It is what it is. Players get hurt. Dunbar and Griffin are a good example this year. The simple fact is you’re not going to find anyone better to come in and produce immediately at the cornerback position for this defense.
What’s in it for Sherman? The chance to come home. The opportunity to address, as Marshawn Lynch put it, ‘unfinished business’.
Beast Mode came back. It’s time for the man who delivered the most iconic moment in Seattle sports to do the same. Be the hero again. Rekindle the legend.
There’s every chance San Francisco will work to re-sign him. I’d be surprised if they didn’t. They’re in a similar situation at the cornerback position.
I’m not one for encouraging illegal acts but maybe, just maybe, it’d pay off to somehow get the message through the back channels to Sherman that Seattle seriously wants him back. Place the possibility of a homecoming in his mind. It might just get him onto the open market where you can talk.
If both parties needed a fresh start in 2018, now they arguably need each other again. Like a warring couple who, deep down, really love each other — it’s time to have a date night to sort things out.
The perfect finale to a storybook career. The ideal person to fill a glaring need. A moment to excite fans. A chance to get another Championship, together.
Bring Sherm home in 2021.
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It’s clear he’s valued in SF and they might already be talking about an extension.
The Niners did right by Sherman last year. He narrowly missed his 90% playing time bonus and the Niners went ahead and paid it.
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1241391850331590656
Fresh article, never thought it could be possible but there is a chance.
I think it will depend on what SF does at QB. I know Sherman supported Garoppolo after the SB loss to KC, but with SF having a down year with injuries on defense plus with Garoppolo struggling earlier in the year, Sherman might have changed his opinion. If SF goes keeps Garoppolo or they plan to draft a QB, I could see Sherman looking for a new home, but if SF gets their hands on someone else, that could be enough to convince Sherman to stick around for another year or two.
For me, I doubt anything relating to the Niners QB situation will have any impact.
It’s down to this — how much Sherman is enjoying San Fran and whether he sees his future there. Then, if he’s open to reaching the market, whether the relationship is good enough to bring him home. I’ve thought about this a lot over the last few weeks and I wrote this article having come to the decision that yes — it is right.
Well if Sherman is a no-go, another name to consider is Kevin King to at least get some depth at CB. There was a rumor around the 2016 draft that if Malik McDowell was taken before pick SEA’s selection at pick 35 it would have been Kevin King if he was still available. But it will depend if SEA will make scheme changes on defense next offseason.
King doesn’t know the scheme though, which has always been an issue.
I know, but they won’t have much of a choice when it comes to options in free agency. The only 3 corners that have been drafted in the cover 3 scheme is Sherman, Griffin, and Tye Smith from TEN. If they can’t bring in Sherman, then the only options are either draft a CB with the 3+ picks you have or try to find a guy in FA you think you can teach on the fly.
King will cost a LOT
I don’t think so, though i don’t know what your definition of “a LOT” is. My educated guess is that teams will offer him 4 yr 24-28 million.
Young cornerbacks get paid
*how much Sherman is enjoying Santa Clara county
Will never happen. I would like to see it but I just don’t think it’s possible.
IMO… Richard Sherman made the LOB. Without him you have a pair of extremely good safeties, one decidedly better than the other. Just go back in time and replace Sherman with Shaquille Griffin paired with Browner or Maxie or Thurmond or Lane or Shead or Flowers or Dunbar.
Now, come back to the current year And install number 25 at age 25 into our current secondary in place of Griffin
I’m sorry Sherman can’t have #25. Travis Homer has taken the number and made it his own. Iconic, even.
Nobody thinks of Sherman when they see a blue & green #25 anymore.
Football analysis is no longer a valid form.
You have said all the things.
Kam made the LOB — but Sherm, Earl and Browner all played a vital part of creating the greatest secondary in NFL history.
It will never happen mainly because there is something wrong with him these days, but in the same vein as bringing Sherm back it would be nice to have Earl’s skills roaming the field at FS. But no, it’s time to move forward.
I would be happy to see Sherm back to I still that sense of professionalism, studying game tape and communication on the back end. The secondary seems lost this year and it comes down to preparation and communication where Sherm always excelled,
Rumor is Robert Saleh is the lions first choice for new head coach, and he could bring other niners coaches with him to Detroit… could see a mass exodus if niners players and coaches after this season
It’s a thought. We could certainly use an infusion of his attitude and approach to the game for a defense in need of an identity. He’s probably got a few good years left in him if he can avoid serious injury. He seems to take his conditioning seriously enough to squeeze some more quality production out of himself.
Financially and legacy-wise, I don’t think he’s going to do anything he doesn’t want to do at this late stage in his career.
We’ll see what happens. It does seem that we would be one of the only destinations he might seriously consider.
One question that needs to be posed on any wily vet is how long until the his performance suffers. If I remember right Sherman started off playing very well last year and ended with a superbowl where he was exposed. However the chiefs can make any db look bad. If they can add Sherman on a Franco Harris type deal… alright…but the focus should be on resigning shaq g and then bring Sherman back to push his “little bro”. This secondary and defense as a whole lacks camaraderie…I think Adams helps here, but bobby Wagner for whatever reason seems to be unable to get this defense going emotionally.
Sherman is so smart that he’ll be a good FS when he needs to move. In that regard, I think Sherman still have a number of good years left in him.
I would love to see Sherm patrolling the backfield. This image just feels right!
Does Sherm still live in Seattle?
Really? I don’t think so at all. Not doubting his smarts, but he never had the quick plant and go acceleration and now much less with age and injury history. If he’s going to play, IMO he needs that sideline as the extra defender and then his technique, length, and smarts at CB can shine… as long as he can stay healty.
i like this, I think Sherman would be the best value in his price range. Of all of the unicorns we had on that great D, that 1/3 of the field CB made so many other things possible. The scheme does not work at it’s best without it. The FS can’t lurk and fly to the ball, the line can’t get home, the LB’s have more to cover. Sherman may not be able to lock down everyone anymore, but you will need to send your no 1 to his side to pull us out of our base look.
I’ve been thinking this for awhile. I’d love the reunion.
If the Seahawks win a Super Bowl this year, I think it will make it harder to happen. There’s nowhere to go but down for the team and Sherm is too smart for that (unless the Seahawks offered him the most money).
If the Seahawks don’t, then it will be more appealing (if there’s interest) for Sherman to come “home” and help the team do what it’s been trying to do since he left. His legacy would/could be like they needed him or Wilson needed him to get that second Lombardi to Seattle.
Not only is Sherman still good in coverage (a heck of a lot better than anyone we have), but people forget he’s the best tackling CB I’ve ever seen. I’m sick of Griffin and his “tackling.” I remember the Dallas playoff game where essentially Griffin lost it with his poor diagnosis and angle. Sure, it was just one play – but for me, that was the biggest play. Maybe not for you, but it was for me. We got spoiled with Sherman making tackles with proper angles and ease.
And he still brings it, Bobby. That aspect of his game put him in the same stratosphere as Kam when it came to wrapping up and tackling and protecting the field.
If they win the Superbowl there’s no way to go but down?
I disagree, u improve the Defense and go for a repeat. If Sherman decides to leave SF I think he would be a strong fit. Cant tell me he’s not better than the corners we currently have. I don’t think he’d see a Superbowl Champion as less attractive. Players go to where they feel they can win. Look at KC and Baltimore. Plus this is still home. Would be great to see.
That was in reference to Sherman. Not the Seahawks. If the Hawks don’t win the Super Bowl… it’s a good opportunity for him personally because he’d be the LOB guy who got them back. If he came back after a Seahawks Super Bowl win and the Hawks didn’t win it again – that’d lose some Sherman luster for him personally, imo.
You’re right. I did forget that Sherman is the best tackling cornerback you’ve ever seen.
Love Sherm but don’t think we can afford him given we need all our FA cash to pay for the DL
Would be awesome to have him back and would be awesome to give Kam a position in the staff, if he wants it.
Love this article. 100% support this. Griffen is likely to want a bigger contract than he’s shown he’s worth. Sherman isn’t a long term solution, but for 2 years he’s likely to give you much more consistent play and turnovers. And, we need to sign or resign 2 starting corners anyway. Plus, it would be a feel good story. I hate seeing him in that ugly uniform. Come home bro.
Id like sherm back. I still root for him outside of our games and last years SB (i didn’t want to hear that i told you so hawks gloating).
As for griffin, are we sure hes getting paid? I mean the strap cash teams and tons of cut players. Plus the cap is down and hes coming off an injury plagued year. Just seems like a good buy low, 1 yr rental type. I cant see him command a huge market. Re establishing his value while waiting for the cap to bounce back seems like a better plan.
The Seahawks have major decisions to make on the DL and with Jamal Adams. The first half of the season the corners were fighting for their lives out there with that pathetic level of DL play. If Sherman ever met with the Seahawks he’d have every right to ask bluntly ‘what are you doing to fix the pass rush? What plans do you have for the scheme and personnel going forward?’ And I guarantee you, he’s not going to buy the hot air PC has blown to the media for the last 5 months.
He knows what he’s got in SF with Bosa, Armstead and Kinlaw with Warner behind them. (they might retain Dee Ford and Thomas too). It’s possible Saleh is gone in 2021 and the defense won’t be up to their standards. But what will the Seahawks have to offer? Ken Norton Jr and the promise that they think Collier and Green are going to blossom?
So, I suppose my question is, if the Seahawks want Sherman back, can they get those questions answered before they approach him? Or can they talk him into being an early piece of that particular rebuild?
OR – is their evaluation of the DL/pass rush so terribly flawed that the Hawks can convince themselves that Sherman is the missing piece of the puzzle? No major restructuring of the staff or personnel is needed because ‘we got a guy that can take half the field away’?
And to that – I wouldn’t doubt for a second there would be a media landslide for the next year if they brought Sherman in. The entire PNW and the media corps would be enraptured by a the “Fences Mended Sherm’s Here to Fix the Defense” stories, to the detriment of once again putting PC’s feet to the fire about neglecting the pass rush.
Totally agree passrush should be the #1 priority again. Keep Dunlap and add 1 more legitimate DE.
Of all the people I can’t wait to see raise the 12th Man Flag, Sherman is well up there (but Marshawn is no.1). Such an amazing personality and brought so much swag to the LOB. Will always love him
“Hi Sherm, it’s John…no, not that John. No. No, not him. You know from the Seahawks. Which Seahawks? C’mon man…so I wanted to give you the opportunity of your life. Come, play for a team that had the worst defense all time, the worst front7, and all QB had like 10 seconds in the pocket. But you like challenges, aren’t you? What, did we improve the defense in the offseason? Well…errr…we didn’t have much CAP nor picks. But we have Jamal Adams! You won’t see him much as he’s basically a linebacker, but we just gave him a shiny new 18m apy contract because we had to justify the ton of picks we gave up for him. What you”d get? Hmmm, well not much, we only have 4m under the cap…but how about a little hometown discount? Come on…for papa Pete, you know, your favorite HC…if I remember well you said it”s so old and boring everything he says, basically no one listens to him. But he changed! He let Russ cook and blitz all over the place without a plan… What? You have another call? Saleh calls you? OK, but remember…he’s not Pete! And be quick with your answer, this is a lifetime opportunity, and we have Flowers, Dunbar, Griffin lining up too. Hallo…Richard? Richard? Ohhh, the line must”ve been broken up….”
Im willing to be this has already happened in some capacity. Especially from the current players like Bobby and KJ. Your right though as would he want to and would the front office want him. Im imagining we would just not sure about him.
Sherm has how many years left to play. I am not sure he will come back given the state of defense.
The state of the defense won’t be the state of the defense if they bring him back and sort out the DL.
agree.. right from coaching staff to players there is so much gap to fill, not sure if one off season with few picks will do.
It’s perfectly plausible to turn things around in an off-season.
Just not if you do what the Seahawks did this year.
Hope so. I am a bit skeptic seeing last few seasons. here comes another mini reset. Its very tough without draft success.
Has anyone seen the practice squad guys elevated for the game tonight? A quick look around Twitter hasn’t shown who they’re using.
Eagles bringing old friend TY McGill up for the game.
Bob Condotta said nobody is being elevated from the practice squad. Guess Moore is feeling good today.
Thanks. Kinda odd, but OK.
Tap him up Rob, I’ll take Sherm back
For the Dawg fans on here…
“Washington’s Elijah Molden is PFF’s highest graded Cornerback in the country at 90.6. Trent McDuffie is 7th nationally among CBs with 100+ Snaps…”
“Washington EDGE defender Zion Tupuola-Fetui as been named the National Defensive Player of the Week by AthlonSports…”
Excellent article Rob, would definitely like Sherman to return. A small side note, you said Damien Lewis in the article, but it was actually Damien Williams who Sherman got face planted by
Oops…
Read the next line of the article LOL
LOL, that was funny. Great placement
I would like Sherman to come back. He has good hands and can make interceptions.
I think Reed might stick with the team and be useful. They really have to develop a corner or two!!!
I cosign this article. Sherman is one of the greatest Seahawks of all time still playing at an elite level. Was really nice watching him return to the field after missing most of the season thus far and not only play well, but get an interception.
Like BobbyK I also think he has a shelf life beyond CB that could make him a key piece to a Seahawks defensive backfield for several years yet to come.
Not interested – think we are pretty much set at cornerback for next year.
Oh wait……never mind. Yes please to Sherman (don’t see it happening though).
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1333550565574529025
Remember… he was getting R1 consideration before the 2019 season. Then KJ Costello happened.
Sum total of his NFL experience: 3 kneel down snaps in 4 games.
If the Seahawks were sitting on a secret weapon, now’s the time to unleash him.
I watched him play last year in person and he really stood out. Always had to account for him in the middle of the field and red zone. Took a couple guys to bring him down. Playmaker, but that Stanford offense was just not good.
We desperately need a draft pick hit besides Damien Lewis from this class. Let’s hope he (and eventually Taylor…) can step it up.
Honestly would anyone say no if Earl came back too??
Diggs is not good, and very cuttable. If Earl wants his career back maybe the best option for him is go to the team that made him a superstar. I know bridges have been burned, but you know things change over time, relationships get repaired. Just a tought.
Hi Sunil (or Sean, or Rashi, or Steve, or Tom — the other names you try and post under). Great to see you back on the blog.
No, Earl is not coming back.
Happy to clear that up for you.
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Three years ago the Seahawks could’ve used Sherman’s leadership, knowledge, ball hawking skills etc to help develop Griffin and Flowers and whoever else. If I am Sherman I would have to think long and hard about coming back to the team I won with but who cut me when I had a year left on my contract and was injured. No doubt in my mind Sherman knew how he could’ve helped bring along some of the young guys. But all that is in the past. Why would he come back to this situation the Seahawks will be in next offseason? Maybe the 49ers situation is more appealing and sounds like they’ve done right by Sherman too. The Seahawks problem with the reset three years ago and two years ago and on and on is that…they lost too much on defense way too fast and are still trying to coalesce a group of guys who’ve been thrown together. Sure it’s nobody’s fault and it sucks that Kam and Cliff had career ending injuries, gone. Bennett went nuts, gone. Earl is Earl and lives in Earl land, gone. Sherman injured, gone. Rookies and cheap veterans cannot replace them, maybe some of the original defensive veterans could’ve helped develop a new defense, we will never know, it’s Pete’s show, he’s chosen his way. But just see how much a veteran defensive end in Dunlap helps the whole defensive line look better and play harder. A few weeks back this came up with Rob about Sherman and with the right understanding between team and Sherman, I still think Sherman could help this team out for a couple years. I just don’t know if it is in Sherman’s best interest to come back.
Fantastic article, love the debate.
I just really hesitate to bring him back with his injury history at this point. Maybe it’s unfair, but I feel he’s likely to miss more games than he plays at this point. And then you’re just stuck with a cap hit (you know his pride isn’t going to give a hometown discount) and possibly even a new distraction in the locker room. (while I agree this defense could use some of his trash-talking swag right now, it can also easily cross the line over to whining, as we all well know)
I’m just not sure it’s the right move. Devote all available resources to fixing the pass rush, and even these merely serviceable CBs can look average/slightly above-average. (like Shaq’s Pro Bowl alternate year)
water under the bridge… completely agree with rob.
but i guess RW3 would need to sign off on this, thoughts?
This threads reminds me of an old PC quote when asked about Bennett, Sherman, etc. it went something like this: “The best thing about those guys is that they’re gone…”. Hopefully time has changed that and Sherm could find a home here if he wanted one.
Ravens-Steelers game postponed for the 3rd time: ESPN
The NFL matchup between the Baltimore Ravens and Pittsburgh Steelers, which was originally scheduled for Thanksgiving Day, has been postponed for the third time, according to ESPN.
A source told ESPN that the game, which was rescheduled for Tuesday would be postponed to Wednesday. The game was first re-scheduled for Sunday.
Next step, cancellation if they can’t go Wednesday? There hasn’t been an outright cancellation yet, has there?
Pregame says Tre Flowers starting opposite Griffin.
I love this idea. For what it’s worth, Sherman still has his permanent residence in Seattle with his wife (who’s from Seattle) and kids. His best friends (Kam, Wagz, Kearse, Doug, etc…) are all in Seattle. I see him 2-3 times every off season and he’s VERY friendly towards Seattle fans requesting pictures or simply saying hello to him. He loves it here, so I’m sure he’d be open to a conversation
Let’s go! We movin’!
Hey McLeod, you wanna pop DK you better bring more than that.
DK is fired up and not taking any crap.
DK living in Philly’s head rent free LOL.
He’s under their skin for sure.
DK is kam, reborn on offense
What was Hyde thinking? He could’ve walked into the EZ if he sees the hole on the left.
And an awful play call to end the drive with nothing.
Really Schottenheimer? THAT’S the call you’re going with?
WTF kind of play call was that pete
Made no sense, they ran the same play three plays earlier and it had no chance. So let’s run it again WTF?
What the hell was that playcall on fourth down????
All those options on the field and you try a tricky play for David Moore?
Jesus wept.
The coaching this year has been very suspect.
Carson, Lockett, Metcalf. Ofcourse u go to Moore….
Didn’t like any of that red zone sequence.
That said, I don’t hate going for it at all. Get a stop, win the field position battle.
And the announcers wanting DK to block Derek Barnett…what a horrific playcall. I mean just the dumbest possible play.
they fell in love with deebo running those yesterday. not sure why they keep giving moore the ball though. he didn’t look right from the first punt return.
Classic over thinking / trying to get cute play by Shotty! Terrible.
Pocic got DESTROYED
Right? I wonder if he’s really healthy
Why in the world do we need to take a timeout and talk it over on every single 4th and short? Especially on the first drive of the game. Don’t they have a play in their pocketbook?
Watch Ogbluehi, he is not block anything out there…..
Worst playcall since the super bowl. Yes that one.
The 4th and 1 vs Buffalo was pretty bad too. Let’s have RW drift to the left and throw into a mass of 7 people.
We have a medal stand anyway. I love David Moore but I love about 6 other playmakers better.
Love going for it. Hate the call.
Wentz might be the only QB in the league right now who can’t punish us for blitzing Adams every time. It’s a little sad to see how far he’s fallen.
Good field position. Bomb to DK or Lockett incoming on 2nd and short… 😏
There’s some textbook PC DB play.
2 3rd down throws, 2 good coverage plays from Shaq.
I think (even before the annoying announcers mentioned it) that he got away with a possible PI there.
*shakes head * no. Didnt impede him in anyway going for a jump ball.
Russ looks really off tonight
Two wasted timeouts.
Just awful.
Apparently fourth and short is panic mode for this team.
Dreadful.
This is how you lose winnable games.
What the hell are they doing? They are totally unprepared for these fourth down situations and when they finally decide to go for it — they come up with a bunch of garbage.
Wilson is already flustered too.
Hate that play call too.
Relying on DK to create a pick otherwise nobody is open. And it’s Lockett or bust.
This team is a mess
I say just give it to Carson and run away from Cox.
Is RW asleep?
What the fuck
good thing carson is back to run the ball
I was just saying that to my wife. Carson and Hyde are both still in right? Why the hell not run them on at least one of those 4th downs!?
Shoulda kicked it twice.
Is Locket playing? Why not target him on those short yardage plays I don’t get it.
Russ looks scared to pull the trigger. We need to get Carson going.
If wentz was marginally competent I’d be worried
Winning a single playoff game only to get run out of the building in the divisional round just feels inevitable at this point.
I foresee a crappy confused 1st half offense. Better hope those half time adjustments are good.
You wanted it.. you got it..
This game is Carroll-bowl. For once, he thinks his defense can keep it tight. So, keep it conservative.
Russ needs to check it down. Still worried about the MVP. Keep Dissly on field
So far it looks like Philly defense is better than Seattle’s. And Philly offense is worse than Seattle’s.
Is Seattle starting to play down to their level? How long before they put Hurts in? I’m thinking in the third quarter.
Offensive line getting owned when they are most needed. Why is Chris Carson not seeing the football on 3rd or 4th and short?
Cedric Ogbeuhi isn’t Nfl level
That was a satisfying looking tackle by Jordyn Brooks
Already looks like it’s gonna be a shaky Russ game, and I don’t understand why. The o-line is solid, it’s not a fearsome defense…doesn’t make sense.
Shoulda went for it twice.
🤦♂️ went for FG’s
Woof, that’s a big hold on Lockett if Russ throws him the ball.
Man, that was pretty good by Bobby to break that up
“You have your best receiver on a LB” ?
Cmon Lewis, that’s Bobby Wagner. Moron
Thank goodness for this elite defensive unit propping up the offense….
I see no lie… 😂
Rasheem Green fights through double team for the sack! Best play I’ve ever seen from him. Encouraging.
Why is David Moore jogging on a PR?
Seriously. I’m asking. Why?
Must have gotten something tweaked on that fourth down fail
Wentz is cooked, but this D is bringing it.
QB hit and sack sighting!
David Moore is running like he’s protecting an egg in his pants.
‘Oooh… don’t hit me… the egg might break’
Call me crazy, but I still have hopes for Rasheeem Green
moore cant run…why’s he playing?
BM! Please don’t hurt wentz though.
If I could meme this board, it’d be Futurama: can’t tell is defense good or if Eagles offense bad.
https://youtu.be/7erl9k01C2M
So is it Hurts time?
The fans are feeling the pain.
I bet they bring in jalen hurts soon. Wentz has shown nothing.
I will ask again where is Chris Carson?
Petes being really cautious with him.
Russell Wilson is all over the place — and therefore so is the offense.
This is embarrassing.
Seriously, what planet is he on tonight?
Good pass rush spooks him.
Then let us never speak of MVP awards ever again.
You can’t get spooked like this in a game where Philly are basically just playing a typical defensive performance.
yep… we are getting “flustered Russ” tonight.
Prepare for frustration.
Why are we always waiting to 1 sec on the clock to snap it.
Beats me.
Glad I picked a low scoring game in the podcast.
This is a crapfest.
And why are we letting Philly make this a scrap? They want to fight all the time. As soon as they got after Metcalf, we’ve lost all composure.
Is it me or David Moore playing slow motion like in a video game.
Gotta keep Eagles in game…don’t embarrass Wentz by scoring
Dickson being Dickson. 57 yards.
Pretty incredible to have a veteran QB and Coach and still look like the most unprepared team week in and week out.
I know it’s only 1 quarter, but this is the kind of game a Super Bowl team wins handily and we aren’t seeing any indication that that will happen tonight.
We fundamentally can’t build a “Let Russ Cook” offense because he’s too streaky. On his day he’s the best in the league, but his floor is rather low for an all-pro caliber QB. And I can’t see him putting 3-4 great games in a row in the playoffs
Glad to see Shaq back in the field
THROW THE BALL TO LOCKETT FFS
See, it’s easy!!
Agreed
Its like ifedi never left
We cannot get Shell back soon enough it would seem
Russ has green grass in front of him and throws a difficult slowmo pass. Russ ain’t good..
Wow. So is this a game where the Hawks win simply because the Eagles are so bad?
If we even let it be a game though…
Well, I wouldn’t say we win “simply”… but yeah
Hopefully instead of a loss because the Seahawks aren’t that good? I think the issue at RT is a problem.
AND DID CODY BARTON JUST LAY THE WOOD?
Metcalf 6 for 101. All of them on Slay I think.
Yes – finally. Nice pass to Moore, and his first good play of the game. But also good passes to Lockett and Metcalf on this drive.
I don’t think Seahawks will be able to run on the Eagles. It looks to me like their defensive line is stronger and faster than our line and running backs. Carson is the only one with a chance to make yards so far. Hyde is too slow to run laterally. Moore is better as a receiver downfield than as a running back.
Has Dissly even had a snap yet?
2 targets to Hollister.
This game is absolutely ridiculous.
LOL Barton
I kind of enjoy it, as long as it enda well. Reminds me these 13-3 Rams games. This defence needs some confidence injecrion.
The biggest problem Wentz has is that Foles isn’t backing him up. har har
Jamal Adams is elite at reacting/talking to an opponent who just made a big play against him.
And his gameday wardrobe. He gets really good coaching there.
Alan really is the best.
😂😬
I wonder how much money that is worth in today’s NFL.
I’ve just had a vision of Seattle’s season ending in the playoffs on a blown play by Adams… as he’s yelling furiously to the opponent to ‘watch out next season!’
haha is that a PFF criteria
He just shouted at Carson Wentz after his big run.
Cody Barton laying the wood to set the tone.
We rag on individual plays so much when they’re soft we have to acknowledge
Yeah, its seems he has a knack for that on ST. Too bad he doesn’t hit people like that on defense though.
Or shed blocks from QBs…
This MNF crew haven’t had a pause for breath since kick off.
They’ve rabbited on non-stop. Every single second of air time has been filled by a comment.
+1 agreed. Do they really need a third guy in the booth?
ESPN has really got to figure it out holy moly
LOL, 4 total yards?
Ogbuehi: “Was that pass for me? Whatta you want me to do with it?”
ahahaha Obegui
Nice block and effort Cedric. Wtf.
OMG Russ, reverting to running backwards again – thank the philly defense for bailing you out.
Colby Parkinson sighting.
Shit penalty on slay, I’ll take it, but c’mon man
And an obvious hold on our Oline that play that wasn’t called
“Russell Wilson doesn’t get enough credit for throwing the ball away, he’s got a really good sense of…and that’s apparently intentional grounding..” – Lewis
My sweet Lord.
BIG CHRIS, THAT SHIT GETS ME OFF MY FEET
CARSON WILL NOT BE DENIED
Not wentz, he gets denied.
Wentz is not denied a paycheck.
That actually helps us. Enough space to run a route.
Thank God Carson is Back.
+1
This is why i want carson back. Yes, there is injuries. But my god is he a beast.
He simply has to be resigned
That throwaway was wentzs best play all night.
Referees having a really rough game.
Both teams, coaches, commentators, refs… who’s next?
Why do we need Refs…
how can you not call a grounding call on wentz
These refs are a disgrace (for both teams).
How the hell was that not intentional grounding? They could see the coach caught the ball well ahead of the LOS.
I love how on Russ’s grounding, they all get together and talk about it for 2 minutes.
With Wentz, they just immediately call no grounding… even though it obviously was.
WTF with the refs?? Both ways, calling a shit game
Funny they couldn’t throw a late flag there
That’s exactly what I was thinking. They had to conference to get the call on Russ.
Yep… no way to justify that difference.
Officials got the word from New York to try to keep Philadelphia in the game to keep the ratings up and they are doing a fine job of it
ABSOLUTELY! Its a piece of shit product and greedy networks and a commissioner who doesn’t give a shit but only to make his owners money. I’ve been a fan since 1978 and its become the WWE. WHAT A SHAME THIS LEAGUE IS.
Mayowa blown off the edge by the 3rd string LT.
Looks like Philly is gonna test our run D for the rest of the game, let’s see if they’re worthy of the hype…
Jamal Adams being really good at underneath zone coverage, what a shocker.
Note to the MNF graphics guys: #32 is Chris Carson. He plays on offense.
Of course.
The refs botch that call and the defense collapses.
Happens every game
Well Danny O’Niel has a talking point now.
HOW GOOD WAS THE DEFENSE IF IT WASN’T FOR A BAD CALL YOU’D HAVE SHUT THEM OUT THE FIRST HALF
Noooo. Don’t give them hope.
1st TD in last 21 drives for Eagles.. defense earned their chops.
Last week vs browns was played in bad weather. They are still a very bad offense either way. But that aided the stat a ton.
Seahawks 14
Officials 6
Eagles 0
My God I am so sick of shit officials
Seattle owes Wentz.. he is never the same after loss in Seattle during their SB season. He got hurt in that game..
Lol. fitting for the Eagles. Poor guys.
I am at a loss of words on how poor the seahawks are tackling this year. other than wtf
Why does this guy call it the “red area”? Does anyone call the red zone the “red area”???
“no ones gonna confuse that with a gronk spike”
HUUUUUUUUUU
And then Booger at halftime.
Let’s just get the win and get out of there.
Run the ball.
Play action to DK and Tyler.
Use the TE’s.
What’s a TE?
They’ve played several packages that have Swain in there and either Hollister or Dissly on the bench.
Hollister has 2 targets. That’s it.
Better to throw three times and go three and out, obvs.
17-9 still in play I suppose. 3-3 second half though…
Should already have at least 17
HEY NFL
https://twitter.com/Softykjr/status/1333601584907862017
Complete fu%*ing joke
The single worst call ive seen. The fact the ref stood at the line and watched it. Amazing.
I would enjoy watching Sherman back in a Seahawks uniform. It could also be a huge need signing. Just as having Dunlap made the whole D line better. Having a quality corner that can match up against elite receiver can make the whole secondary better.
DK shouldn’t have slowed down to bump. Throw was perfect.
Maybe, but I hate the play call for an offense that hasn’t been able to establish a rhythm
Yeah, it looked like he slowed up a bit.
Crazy how talented and productive he is, but still lacks polish.
Big drive this for the defense.
Got to get back on track after that drive before HT.
Agree
For the defense… and also the refs.
Holding!!!!
Early signs are not promising.
But at least LJ Collier got to do his celebration after mopping up Wentz after Wagner’s blitz.
Only one turnover in 3.5 games for the defense too…
That one really puzzles me. It was one thing they actually did well early in the year. Tops think with having more success rushing 4, this would be a plus for turnover production, yet here we are.
What the heck was that graphic? What am I watching?
I remember when MNF used to be good.
Yeah, I enjoyed Gruden in the booth.
Bring back Dennis Miller.
Watching wentz pick up confidence on our defense. Smh
And there’s Adams abandoning his man to stumble into the backfield.
Wow — a well disguised Jamal Adams blitz.
ALAN!
Alan definitely looked up from his sock drawer for that one.
Adams sucks
Hmmm five point lead. Adams playing well.
Can the offense get its arse in gear now please?
Is that too much to ask?
Apparently. We keep letting bad teams come back. We need to go score some points and end this game.
No way, we can get this closer first. Gotta always keep em close!
Now can the offense convert some first downs for crying out loud?
Well… I predicted 14-9 in the podcast…
Watching Adams on this D and you’d never guess we traded so much for him.
Cant wait to see some consistency from him with anything other than blitzing
**jamal Adams is awful**. Let’s start the thread now
Surely these stupid refs are not going to overturn this.
Don’t speak to soon rob
Should seahawks trade Lockett.
Was thinking the same, Lockett doesn’t get anything?
Lockette should be offended…
Pretty obvious DK was down.
But with this crew refereeing tonight…
Incomplete?
Called catch on the field so they should stick with it IMO.
Nah, it looks down. Hopefully. I did not get a good look at it.
Did DK get hurt on that play?
Who knows, we do not actually see anything with this coverage.
He looked gimpy, but seemed OK on sideline. My wife said it looked like he took a helmet to a kidney, perhaps
FFS
David Moore is not healthy.
Stop trying these plays to him. Just run the damn thing.
Is David Moore on tranquilizers?
He has looked like he is running in quicksand a few times tonight.
This made me laugh
Maybe he got into Marshawn’s Hennessey stash.
(he just told Peyton Manning he always took a shot before a game)
Hate slow mo dancing by Moore… always kills the plays.
Is Locket hurt? Only three targets.
No. Russ just locks into a player this year. Its either all dk, or all lockett.
17-9 confirmed
Is david moore the go to sweep/screen guy? Its like 70% of his touches are those.
hes the go-to guy to lose yards with
David Moore’s stat line:
3 catches
-6 yards
1 touchdown
He just needs to get the first down there and stop trying to be cute.
He’s tentative, clearly because he’s not 100% healthy.
No idea why they keep asking him to do these kind of plays that rely on quickness.
Damn – is the offense imploding? What the heck.
Why do we play hurt players all the time? Pretty obvious Moore can’t run.
oh no….its 17 – 9 ….there went all the action.
2 plays on a row where the pass attempt is short of the 1st down market.
Is it so difficult to call a play where a catch results in a 1st down, without having to “make a play”?
You have 2 yd for a first down you have Chris Carson in your backfield hand him the football please
Yeah, I thought he would play more. Seems like his snaps are numbered tonight.
Exactly.
Even Hyde.
Stop being tricky.
Trying to be cute and it doesn’t work for this team
Third down defense has gone down the toilet.
Philly has successfully converted 6 of their last 7. Yes that is down the toilet
Seems like the tempo is causing them problems.
No pass rush…Wentz is settling down. Bring life to Wentz, defense purpose served.
We are facing colt mccoy next week. Cant wait to see him have a career day. But we should get 3 sacks, so it all good!
Why do the Seattle Seahawks even employ tight ends?
To block.
We can’t go a whole game playing Mr. Turnover at QB and not get a turnover. Right?
Only one turnover in approaching four full games…
LOVE KJ
He MUST be re-signed for next season.
Veteran play
At less. 10m seems a bit much.
KJ coming up huge!
He has been our best Lb IMO,
You gotta have smart, veteran players like KJ. He knew what was coming!
Easily our best LB this year.
What I would give for some ground and pound and some rollout passes to TEs in this series.
I like the Arizona style, every defensive guy on the line style of play. Good play KJ.
DK — what a BEAST
Unreal
Top 3 most feared Offensive Skill player in the NFL already.
Was going to rip the defensive guys hand off with the ball.
DK BAMF!
He’s had some great catches all year, but that one was the nastiest
This offense is so so predictable…
Such an unnecessary hold by Ogbuehi
So dumb!
Ifedi=Cedric. Hawks drafted 1st rd backup tackle
And there’s the bad side of DK. Should’ve had that. Too many drops.
Playing with my emotions.
Hes still young, but i suspect he will always have that in him. Still a bamf and a top 5 wr. But we will have those plays.
He has a chance to be one of the greats of all time but he has to clean that up
That hurt, Ogbuehi wasn’t even in the play.
I understand the game plan now. We will flog them with field goals. Kick by kick.
Slow death. More alcohol consumption.
Flog the liver!
There is no rhythm on offense… deep balls and DK. Live or die…
Stop trying to jinx my kicker. Just stop talking.
The TE situation deserves more scrutiny as the season goes on. In the offseason we were wondering why they were stashing 7 TEs and neglecting the DL. Then the season starts and we don’t throw to any of them while the DL dragged us down. What is the plan? The way we play is completely disconnected from our team-building “philosophy” at this point.
Will Dissly please!!!
This is so careless by the defense.
Cheap penalty yards.
Brooks turns around he gets a pick.
Refs decided enough is enough…
You make it easy on the refs when you tackle the receiver before the ball is thrown and then run straight into the TE on a deep pass.
There is no question.. never leave the game in the hands of Refs.
Shaq penalty was bad call.
Brooks, turn around and its a pick.
That type of PI always pisses me off. They call it every-time. It just bothers me that QBs get rewarded for under-throwing their receiver.
Its a discipline and technique issue. Guys like sherm are always in position to turn. But so many guys just throw the hands up and run into the reciever. A simple twist of your head, and its tight coverage and no flag.
Yeah, you’re right.
Total agreement. Need a rule like uncatchable.
Big shout out to Carson Wentz & Doug Pederson for being absolutely shit.
Have to match Hawks failed 4th down attempts.
I thought it was great throw. 🙂
Don’t pull any punches, Rob, lol
woah woah woah
They tried to get the ball to your boy Reagor. Wentz….. ok some not great throws, but he has had some pressure on him.
Refs have helped them more than anything they have done on their own, except for 1 drive.
Adam Gase level stupidity there
When even the three stooges in the booth know you should kick the FG there, you know it’s bad…
Nice decision Doug.
2/5 celebration…awkward really.
I think it caught him off guard lol. He looked surprised.
Poor PI call by the refs there. Awful.
But gratefully received.
Making up for the no intentional grounding call now that it doesn’t matter (that) much?
Still should’ve been a penalty on Maddox – hands to the face
At least the refs are making poor calls both ways.
Oh no.
They did NOT just rag Lockett as lazy and distracted.
‘writing poetry while DK hits the weight room’ ???
Yup. They certainly did
Offensive line looked terrible in that series.
It did
Oh F….
Did anyone see Duane Brown’s no contact injury there?
Can cedric play LT? Ugh.
The announcers never stopped talking to even mention it. Did he walk off on his own?
Missed it
It’s ok, we drafted a LT last year and can do it again the next 2 drafts….oh wait
Why can’t this team on offense call and create more with screens and quick passes?
wilson is too short
Let’s not have Russ run the ball during this part of the game. You just know the Eagles are waiting to hit him. Protect your qb.
Yes pete. Trust your defense.
um…this drive is giving me Bevell vibes.
I’ve thought Schotty has done a great job overall, but man…. His play calling has been not that great the last 5-6 games
Feels a bit like we’ve run out of new ideas.
Wouldn’t be bad to change OCs every few seasons.
This is the most bored I’ve been by a seahawks game in forever.
Well since the last time we played the eagles.
Terrible from Jamal Adams there.
Beat in coverage (LOL) and an awful tackle.
Let’s see what he says about it this time…
Tackle? There was a tackle?
Seahawks have been lucky that Wentz played so poorly for most of the game.
Wentz has been dreck all season
Hawks play calling in this game has set offensive football back decades.
on the plus side, I doubt we will need a new o coordinator next year
Hey Alan
Tell us again about how you’re angry at being called garbage in coverage?
Yeah, I believe he’d be the kind of veteran plug & play CB that would allow us to part ways with Griffin and Dunbar.
Dunlap, Wagner, Adams, Sherman. That’s the kind of defensive spine I would want into 2021.
I don’t care if it makes me a bad fan to Seahawks Reddit, I can’t see that Adams attempt on a tackle and stomach paying him a fortune.
He likes to make cool poses after the whistle blows, doesn’t really like to go hard during the play though.
This game is boring as hell.
Is that Ciara and Russ in a Moen shower commercial????
This eagles game tells me one thing.
This team is no better than last years team, which bowed out in the divisional round. Very boring and predictable.
Agree, sadly
Damn, these Eagles are awful
Just terrible. we should have put 50 on them.
4th and 31
This game is borderline unwatchable.
3rd and 30…
These commentators are absolute horse shit. I didn’t come here for nfl live. C’mon man
Offensive line has been horrible for most of the game especially run blocking
Yeah.
Damien Lewis pushed around a bit too
They all have even Duane
I mean, didn’t they say Eagles DL has the most sacks in the NFL or something like that. They’re good and have been for a while.
Eagles have a top 5 dline. Cox is a monster.
As hard as we are on our pass rush and D-line, man it goes to show…that at least we don’t have the other guy’s problems.
Imagine seattle having a top 5 D line and no offense….
Game is a crap fest by all sides.. Eagles, Hawks, Refs, Commentators, Coaches. This is a typical AFC east or NFC east game
Brown is back in. Thats good.
Duane Brown still out there. Phew…
Thank you espn for that lovely zoom shot of eagles fans. That had me laughing.
Same. That was genuinely hilarious. ESPN production absolutely terrible on all fronts.
Espn: should we show the hawks fans?
Also espn: no, lets show depressed eagle fans. Cuz nfc east!!!
Canada Dry Bold Ginger commercial makes me laugh every time
Hate Pete’s game calling.. some games need to be put away and rest starters to protect from injuries. Never happens..
We really should feel good about another win.
But it sounds like most of us our unsatisfied with watching a tragically flawed Seahawks team. Sorry but they were never going to the superbowl. The best we can hope for is to make the playoffs and have a few good games before we are creamed by a superior team.
I am a positive person. I enjoy all the wins. We do have issues, but so do pretty much all the teams in the NFC.
Sloppy win. But never in doubt. I never sweated 1 second. So, im whelmed. Win, yay.
I am a positive person too. But the Hawks are a dumpster fire.
Are we the Eagles bogey team? Damn they have had some truly pathetic performances against us over the last 20 years. The scoreline doesn’t show it but this has to be almost as embarassing for them as the Monday night massacre. It’s just sad. It’s probably the first time I genuinely felt bad for our opponent
This game sucked. With how bad the Eagle’s are, what does that say about the Hawks?
I don’t read much into “bad wins”. The Chiefs nearly lost to the Panthers, and the Steelers almost lost to Ben DiNucci
Hum. Been getting some sacks and heating up the pocket. Not bads.
Wow.. Wentz is playing serious now.
Figures
This game deserved that lol.
Wait, if they kick the extra point it is 16 to 23, and they are within striking distance.
Bleh game.
Hey Alan,
Tell us again about how you’re angry at being called garbage in coverage?
Racks up stats, but also has a ton of trash plays.
Look man, adams is clearly a douche, but he didn’t ask to be traded for 2 firsts a third and mcdougald. No one can live up to that. So don’t blame adams unless you think he convinced the Seahawks to make the trade in the first place. What I’m sayin is, blame the hawks, not adams, he’s just playing ball
I am starting to think he is never coached up properly to start his career in NFL. Yet he became AllPro, Pete traded house for him and now pampers him with similar coaching and play calling. Adams will not go to pro bowl and good luck trading him for a 1st…but again Pete won’t give up easily so Adams will return next season.
Why are they going for 2?
Because we don’t play defense.
Vegas
Don’t think so. Last spread I saw was Seattle favoured by 5 and a 1/2
-6.5 Seattle
Fix is in
Chop it up to another one score win. Lol
Why did Doug go for 2 pt conversion… is he playing for win!
Wait, DK is our “hands” guy…???
Lol. So not lockett? The former all pro returmer? Makes sense.
That would have been hilarious had they recovered the onside kick and then have to redo it because of the offsides… 😂
okay the announcers are talking about the questionable Seahawks defense and whether they will hold up in the playoffs, and there big takeaway is “They did what they needed to do”
I foresee a fine coming for the Seahawks.
Camera has been focused on a maskless DK on the sidelines an awful lot.
“Jamal Adams plays like I do when I play as an individual LB in Madden”
I really like him, but that`s so true
https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/1333610215376261127?s=19
.@JessamynMcIntyr on Seahawks broadcast says DE Carlos Dunlap is doubtful to return with a foot injury. Would be huge loss right now given his recent contributions.
Sigh
Good win. GTFO of town and head back home. It wasn’t pretty, but who cares. It’s a win. And we still can quite feasibly be 11-3 in a few weeks time.
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Sherm coming back would be great IMO. He could fight, and probably win his position back, and then re could put the re-signed Shaq to the opposite side where he enters the league. With those two and our two safeties, the backfield is set. Sherm and Shaq could help out Tre, D.J, Ugo, Neal and Blair to find the best nickel with Neal and Blair able to play safety as well. Don’t have to worry about LB, we have a great three with couple decent backups. Line is young. Dunlap May have years, but still plays young. This would be THE force to be reckoned with.
Preach it brother! Amen to Richard coming home!
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