Chris Carson’s style is highly valued by Pete Carroll
Whether you agree or not, the Seahawks see tremendous value in a particular type of running back.
There’s a reason why they consistently target players in the 220lbs range with explosive traits and the ability to finish runs. There’s no mystery to what they look for — and it’s why for the last few years we’ve been able to say with a degree of certainty who will be on their radar.
Pete Carroll talks consistently about completing the circle. In his mind the way to connect the defense to the offense is through a tough, physical running game. We saw how the LOB and Marshawn Lynch played off each other. Good luck recreating that chemistry — but at the very least Carson, for two seasons now, has been able to deliver the running style they crave.
His ability to finish runs, take the hammer to opponents and be unpleasant to tackle is, to Carroll, a key factor.
2019 wasn’t a bad season for Carson. He finished fifth in yards (1230) behind only Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb, Christian McCaffrey and Ezekiel Elliott. He was third for yards after contact (905) and he was second only to Nick Chubb in yards per carry after contact (3.3).
It wasn’t a particularly remarkable season either. His yards per attempt (4.4) was fairly middle of the road despite playing against opponents needing to key in on Russell Wilson.
He also fumbled seven times — most in the league by running backs. It was a problem that dogged him for the entire season, creating question marks going forward.
His injury history (NFL and college) and fumbling problems mean there are serious concerns about committing to Carson as a long term foundation piece.
However, there are a couple of things to consider here.
Firstly, the Seahawks didn’t draft a running back early. They had the opportunity too and it was an impressive, top-heavy running back class this year. Had they taken Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Jonathan Taylor, J.K. Dobbins or Cam Akers for example — the writing could’ve been on the wall for Carson. They could’ve easily walked away from him next off-season having made an investment at the position.
Instead, they waited until round four and took a flyer on Deejay Dallas before signing makeshift veteran Carlos Hyde.
The Seahawks clearly felt they had other priorities — and they did. They like Carson. The defense is a big problem. They prioritised adding to their defensive front seven rather than planning ahead at running back (which is certainly plausible given the lack of activity to fix the defense in free agency).
It’s still a small vote of confidence in a player approaching a contract year who has had too many fumbles and injuries. Some will argue they can just replace him next year anyway, which is true. Yet the Seahawks clearly place a certain value on the position. Essentially ignoring it until the dying embers of free agency and the draft is, if nothing else, a hint that Carson is part of their plans beyond 2020.
Secondly, the contract environment might actually be moving in the right direction for the Seahawks.
Several high profile running backs have signed big extensions recently and the moves haven’t worked out. It means that the next crop — which includes Carson and Dalvin Cook — might find it difficult to garner any leverage in negotiations.
Teams like Seattle are also boosted by Melvin Gordon’s situation. A year ago he held out deep into the season. The Chargers called his bluff and he had to cede and return to the team. When he finally reached the open market as a healthy and somewhat rested player — his market was flat. He ended up having to sign a two-year deal with Denver. He probably anticipated more money when he originally decided to hold out.
Cook is already making noises that he will also hold out if he doesn’t get an extension this summer. Yet the Vikings will very likely use the same tactics as the Chargers. Cook is a good player but is he any more likely to get a big contract as a free agent next year? That’s debatable.
The upper hand is with the teams. This is especially the case with Carson.
He’s due to make $2,149,283 in 2020. This is the first time in his career he’s earned a seven-figure sum. Unlike players such as Cook or Gordon (both high picks) — Carson is yet to make any life-changing money.
Even if he has a fantastic season, the fumbling and injury issues will remain on his résumé. He might be able to convert a strong season into a Melvin Gordon type deal on the open market. There’s also a chance he’ll continue to fumble, get injured again and seriously impact his earning potential.
It’d be interesting to know whether the Seahawks are open to extension talks this year. Presumably it would be tempting for a player in Carson’s position to try and seek some financial security, provided there was still an opportunity to reach the open market in the near future.
It might be worth his while to come to some sort of shorter term compromise now — such as tacking on Gordon’s two years for $8m onto his existing deal. That would enable him to reach the market again in his late 20’s and make some serious money in 2021 and potentially 2022.
His representatives could argue (and I suspect this will be Dalvin Cook’s argument too) that Christian McCaffrey has just reset the market on $16m a year. McCaffrey’s a unicorn though. He’s the face of the franchise in Carolina now, has had near enough back-to-back 2000 yard seasons and they couldn’t afford to let him walk as they progress through a new era and rebuild. Both Carson and Cook are not going to be able to convince their teams to spend that kind of money. It’s also worth noting how healthy and available McCaffrey has been in his career — unlike Carson and Cook.
The Seahawks appear comfortable with Carson and they like his fit. The shape of the running back market works in their favour and Carson’s modest earnings so far in his career could make a shorter term extension appealing for both parties. It’s unlikely Rashaad Penny will do enough in a truncated season to make him dispensable and Carlos Hyde is a short-term fix.
He’s not going to earn mega money and if he did have a stunning 2020 season with massive production — the Seahawks would have the protection of a $10m franchise tag in their back-pocket. It might make sense for both parties to come together now — unless the Seahawks are willing to both let him play out the season and then test free agency, knowing they might be better off letting him establish his market before making even a shorter-term commitment.
That would make some sense too. There’s not really a ‘wrong’ answer here — provided they don’t invest obscene sums (which seems highly unlikely). Eventually though, whether it’s a short term pact or something longer, there’s a reasonable chance 2020 won’t be Carson’s final year in Seattle.
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Interesting article, thanks. Carson has certainly has flashes but still hasn’t put together a full wow year that makes you think they have to keep him. Being an existing Seahawk in this regime certainly has its advantages for getting another contract. I do wonder if it’s worth bringing most running backs back after their first contract and if it’s better to just keep drafting a higher round RB every three or four years to keep the legs and body fresh and the costs low.
Rob, I really appreciate and enjoy how you pick a topic or subject and break it down for us fans.
Peace,
Brian
Thanks Brian
He turns 26 in may Setember so he will play mostly the whole season as a 26 year old. The 30 cliff is always talked about but it actually starts after 28 so the two year extension/contract seems about right. Maybe in the neighborhood of $13-$16 depending on how this season ends. Penny might not give us much this season so the 2021 year will be big for him but you dont want to just rely on him for next year.
You almost made me choke on my lunch when I read your $13-16M per year extension figure! I certainly hope that does not happen, and almost certain it wont. He’s much more likely to be in the $6-7M range “If” they do extend him. He’ll land somewhere between Todd Gurley at $5.5M and Melvin Gordon at $8M. Ball security and health concerns will limit his market beyond Seattle.
Bill. I believe Hoggs was talking 13-16 mil over two years. According to John Clayton the market range for Carson ( if he can stay healthy) is 6-8 mil per year.
RWIII, thanks for the clarification.
Ask yourself this: If the Seahawks could successfully draft a running back, would we even be talking about this?
It is ridiculous the number of running backs they have gone through trying to find “the one”. Forget paying him a high price. They need to improve their drafting.
I dunno they drafted Carson. That seems to have worked out pretty well…
To be fair to the Seahawks, they did draft Carson… but you’re definitely not wrong.
Let me rephrase, if the Seahawks could draft a power running back with enough burst to take the ball into the endzone from 20 plus yards out, they would have a player to keep. Carson is a short term answer to a long term problem with drafting running backs. They have gone through 3 or 4 running backs for every successful one they have used. You may be happy with his performance, but if he can’t average over 5 yards a carry, he is not good enough for a team that brags about a strong running game.
Will Penny, a second round back pan out? These are the sort of issues that have bitten the Seahawks time after time. I don’t like to say it, Penny should be our star. But there he sits on the injury list, like Rawls and so many other players they picked.
@Hoggs41 it’s almost like you didn’t read the article. Why on earth would Carson be able to command that kind of salary. $$ for RBs outside of McCaffrey are trending way down. If I was the hawks I wouldn’t commit more than $4-5 mill in Carson – or any other RB for that matter.
Not to speak for Hoggs41, but I read his comment to mean 13-16 for a 2 year contract (since that was what he was referencing as seeming about right). So now we’re looking at 6.5-8 per year, which probably isn’t unreasonable at all. Whether they want to pay that is a different question.
That’s for the assist RW3. Yes that was for two years.
Sorry for the confusion but I didnt really think people would think that $13-$16 would be per year.
Rob,
As always, great writeup with analysis that makes sense. I am interested to see what happens with Carson this season. Hyde definitely was brought in to be #2 (with Penny out) and Carson & Hyde are different RBs that could compliment each other. While I see Carson’s total yards probably decreasing, keeping him durable in a contract year and hopefully keeping him from fumbling could be a win for everyone.
Troy Franklin to Oregon Ducks 💪
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#2 WR in the class. UDub wanted him bad. Wazzu couldn’t sniff a prospect like that.
Bouta light up the pac-12 while you stay sleepin big mike
Please refer back to this post when Egbuka signs with UW and he + Nacua and McMillan put up another 70 burger on you guys
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Pretty sure the “70 burger” reference involved a scoreboard.
We’ll see. One thing the Ducks definitely lead the Huskies in over the years is de-commits…
He’s earned a raise and I hope he gets it. He’s been a bargain for the Hawks to this point.
I hope Hyde can stay healthy, always liked him. The Carson fumbles are so so frustrating, love him though when he’s protecting the rock. Going in to the season I feel firmly confident that the running game will be all right moving forward.
I really like Carson but don’t think its in the best interest to resign him if he wants the money he deserves.. He’d have to do a team-friendly deal and/or go off this year (like all-pro level). We’ll see how it goes this year but it is not wise to pay him over 9mill a year in my opinion
I didn’t propose paying him over $9m a year.
Thanks Rob, really enjoyed the article.
Had Carson been an UFA this off-season, what do you think his market would have been? Part of me thinks there’s a team put there that would’ve offered in the 3/21 region, but I would’ve thought Gordon was worth that type of coin too.
I think the injuries and the fumbling would’ve seriously impacted his value. I also think he has more value to the Seahawks than other teams because of his running style and the way Carroll approaches his philosophy.
I think that’s a fair analysis – Carson, to me, is well above average – you could make an argument that he’s the a top 2-3 power back in the league right now. But the injuries, and lack of top-end speed, are limiting factors in committing too much money to him.
That said, we really missed him in that week 17 game against the Niners, and in the playoffs – and as you’ve correctly noted, on a team that’s lacking BAMF’s, his running style makes him something of a tone-setter for the team.
I’d like to see a 3-year deal for him – as another poster noted, he’s certainly outperformed his rookie deal.
Florio on PFT during a segment on drafting the best offensive triplets in the NFl picked Seattle’s: Wilson, Carson, and Metcalf as his #1 choice and #2 behind KC’s: Mahomes, Kelsey, and Hill.
Idk why he didnt have Lockett. Much better technically than Metcalf and that probably just wont ever change.
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(duh)
Good stuff Rob and I think your assessment of the situation and how it plays out is likely spot on.
Nice article, well reasoned. But I think Seattle lets Carson walk next year after getting a decent offer from another team. It seems like they are ready to transition to Penny — it looked like they were heading that way prior to Penny’s injury — and will build depth behind Penny in FA or the draft in 2021. Perhaps that is what Dallas is.
They won’t want to pay starting second contract money for Penny’s back up.
Just my take, for whatever it’s worth.
I haven’t seen anything at all to suggest they were transitioning to Penny. They constantly stuck by Carson as the #1 despite the fumbling. And Carson fits their style in a way Penny never will.
How did they pick Penny over Chubb?!??
How did that ever happen.
Nick Chubb has had less ACL tears than Rashaad Penny.
Durability concerns and the fact they saw Penny as a poor mans Gurley I suspect.
This reminds me of something I’ve been thinking about. We often speak about some college RBs having less “mileage” or “wear on the tires” and no major injury history as a positive in draft evaluation. This seemed especially relevant in the case of Penny over Chubb.
I’m starting to form my own theory that maybe those who, like Jonathan Taylor and Nick Chubb, show that they can handle heavy mileage consistently (and in Chubb’s case even come back from serious injury and keep producing the same), should perhaps be valued more highly. They have simply shown that their body is BUILT TO BE AN NFL RB, carry the load, and bounce back from injury at a high level. (Of course, we’ll see how they hold up over the long run.)
Whereas with a guy like Penny, because he didn’t have any college injuries or high number of carries outside of his last year, it becomes just a projection as to how his body will respond to more carries over time and/or the eventual freak injury at the next level.
Perhaps counter-intuitive or equally perhaps just not true, but just something I’ve been thinking about. (ngl, probably to try and somehow take my mind off how we passed on a 1000% profile fit and awesome dude in Chubb 🤦🏼♂️, even though in the end I’m arguing we should have taken him all the more…)
Great points.
Especially if people start viewing RB draft picks properly as 4-5 year investments, not 8-10 year investments.
Therefore get a talented back who shows they can handle the grind but accept you’re likely not giving them the second contract.
Exactly. You draft for the value on the rookie deal, and anything past that is just a bonus.
That’s a great post Sea Mode.
I think Gurley is a good example of this on the front end. The Rams drafted him very high despite a serious injury. They got their money’s worth on that rookie contract and then some.
Their mistake was giving him a massive contract extension before it was typically time to start thinking about it. And cap wise it’s a pretty big bad decision to live with now.
I would think the Moneyball style approach would be, draft a RB you like (using your approach), play him on his rookie contract, and at max franchise him for a year, then let him walk.
I also like the points, seems like a RB has to be really special to warrant another contract like CMC, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn, Laveon Bell, etc. For a “good but not great” RB, if you can get them back at a decent price on a second contract, great. If not, no worries.
I also think this is a problem for the NFL, RBs are increasingly not getting value on those second contracts even when they are pretty good. A player like Carson makes less over his career than player like Penny simply because front offices missed on his talent and drafted him late. Then, he is devalued when he gets to his second contract because there are cheaper options.
I really like the idea of a two year extension at good not top of the market money. Carson is a very good fit for this offence. He grinds out a lot of between the tackles runs for 3-10 yards. He turns no gain into 3+ yards a lot. What he lacks in home run ability (on top of injuries/fumbles). I worry about the injuries a fair bit, but seems a reasonable risk on a shorter deal.
Penny is coming off a pretty serious injury. It’s very likely that after this year they still won’t know entirely what they have in him heading into 2021.
I don’t think the current NFL will ever value Carson’s skills at the top of the RB market. McCaffrey and Kamara type skill sets are more a fit in most horizontal/motion offences. Who knows, but it doesn’t feel like there has been a ton of interest in the trade market for Fournette who’s a similar type of back to Carson.
Tatupu, I agree with your analysis of Carson. He’s better on the eye than his YPC shows. The offense is MUCH better with him on the field. Period. That being said, I don’t want to pay him more than $5M per year because of his injury history. But he’d sign a 2-year, $10M deal, sign me up.
McCaffrey averages over 100 receptions a year. Kamara averages over 80 receptions a year. The other RBs that are in the top tier of salaries are Zeke, David Johnson and LeVeon Bell who all are threats out of the backfield (or were when they signed).
Carson has 64 receptions in three years. I think that would hurt him on the open market.
And the flipside of that is Carson has value to the Seahawks that he probably doesn’t have with other teams.
Rob is correct. A two year extension is all we should commit to. RB’s are not long term propositions in the NFL. Carson has already been hurt. He will not make it to his 30’s. He will be out of the league in 4 years, so we cannot count on that. Next, RB’s are a dime a dozen, it is not hard to find them. They are not worth more than 3-4 mil per year (Unicorns excepted) in a salary cap world
Thanks again Rob, Fine article!!
What is the market for next years crop of free agents and/or Seahawky draftable running backs?
Would anyone trade RW3 for CMC and 2 first-round picks?
No
Nope
For me Russ is completely untouchable. If KC calls and offers me Mahomes for Wilson straight up – I don’t even take that deal. I think most people would say that’s dumb, but as a fan there is value (for me) in things like legacy. I’m damn sure not even picking up the phone for a call about a swap for a running back.
This isn’t even close. McCaffrey just had one of the greatest seasons for a RB ever and it lead them to five wins.
Agreed. RW is the best Seahawk QB ever. Likely will remain best ever with his unique work ethic, toughness, and talent.
I wouldn’t trade RW for 100 first round picks, got to try to win while you have him whatever the cost.
Because I’m bored, I’m going to play. The only way I would trade Wilson is if the dead cap money was zero and it was for 2021 overall #1 pick and a couple of #2’s. But since there would be such a dead cap hit the next 3 years, 5-6 first rd picks wouldn’t be worth it because they would be paying out top QB money with an unknown QB at the helm unable to spend the savings throughout the roster like in 2012-2014.
2021 overall #1 gets you Lawrence and that’s why you’d do it, right?
You got it
Another great read Rob!
I still contend Pet Carroll and Seattle’s inability to put away Carolina while having a commanding lead in the second half and heavily using Carson to finish what ended up a close contest contributed to his injury the following week against Arizona. His 24 carries and 133 yards should have been 17-18 carries for 100 and resting the 4th while Homer finished it off.
Carson hasn’t proven yet in his college or pro career he is able to handle a full season workload.
I can see another scenario happening this season where Hyde stays relatively healthy all season while Carson misses a few games and continues his fumbling issue and the Seahawks instead give Hyde another 1-2 year deal and let Carson walk.
The Seahawks like Carson too much for that IMO. And if they do move on, they like their running game too much to just go with a 30 year old stop gap as their primary runner.
If Hyde was resigned over Carson, they would still have Penny who I assume will be brought along cautiously in 2020 along with drafting another RB top 4 Rds or another signing. Either way they will want 3 backs capable of taking the rock 15 times if needed.
I really hope Carson hasn’t lost a step, can stay away from big injuries, and figures out the fumbling issue. Hyde could end up being his savior if he takes some of the load off of his shoulders to keep him fresh into December.
I don’t see a situation where they’re deliberately relying on Penny and Hyde for their running game.
Does seem like they are going to let the season play out and make their decision based on more data and information (as you infer in your post).
Carson balls out = extension
Carson plays well but still some injury/fumble issues = modest extension with backup plans
Penny outplays Carson = look at extending Carson as backup but less priority
Penny injured or doesn’t play well AND Carson struggles, go with one as a backup and:
-Plan B = Draft RB high
-Plan C = Sign free agent for RB #1
-Plan D = Trade for RB #1
It’s going to take quite a lot for Penny to outplay Carson in 2020. The Hawks may not have outright said it but they’re signaling that they’re taking it very slow and deliberate with Penny. Probably PUP and not much heavy usage until the home stretch of the season.
I think that is the smart way to go. Get Penny healthy and ready for the second half of the season. He was just starting to establish himself when he got his injury. I still believe in Penny and think he will be a good hawk.
A healthy Carson is better than Penny all day/night. Yeah, Rashaad has(at least had, no idea how he responds to the injury) the HR potential but Chris gets the tough yards and wears defenses down. His durability/ball security/contract season is what decides his future. If he plays in 12-14 games, gets 1,000 yards, and fumbles 5-7 times in 2020….is that the answer moving forward for RB #1?
What if Hyde proves more durable and gets 8-900 yards with 2/3rds the carries and doesnt put the ball on the turf? I don’t see why he wouldn’t be the one re-signed and Carson allowed to walk/limp out of town.
Again, there’s no way this team of all teams is going to place the success or failure of its running game in 2021 in the hands of a 30-year-old stop gap.
If Carson departs, they will look for the next Carson.
There are some other big name running backs set to potentially hit the market next year as well. Kamara, Cook, Henry, Fournette, Aaron Jones, Mixon, Hunt, and others. Do you see this driving the price up for FA RB’s or lowering it?
Economics studies suggest that when there are an abundant resource, the price for each unit will go down. If you have somewhere between 10-14 RBs from the 2017 draft class hitting the FA market at the same time, add in that RB are generally not paid big dollars anymore, and a possible flat or negative cap in 2021….. there will be a ton of pressure to keep the deals smaller rather than larger.
Figures that were tossed out for Carson are in the 6-8M/Year average range. As long as he doesn’t try to hold out for a McCaffery deal, then I think he can be resigned/retained by Seattle. On the lists of resigning worries, this isn’t real high on my personal list.
Great response. Thank you.
If Carson wasn’t resigned and we went after one of the other FA RB’s who you would you guys prefer?
I would prefer Fournette, depending on his personality and attitude. Otherwise, I don’t see that Seahawky type of back out there.
Kamara or Henry
Definitely Henry but I can’t see them making a huge splash signing like that.
Carlos Hyde
Maybe the boredom – what if a team drafted a RB int 1st round every year? Then keep 4 on the roster. Rookie plays 1st quarter, second year RB plays 2 quarter, 3rd year RB plays 3rd quarter, 4th year RB plays 4th quarter.
I’d say it’s a tremendous waste of resources honestly, but if they where willing a RB in the first round every 4 years or so to find special traits and never resigned a RB to a second contract a win. My argument would be that you can find a bruiser late in the draft or even free agency on the cheap, but to get a player with the ability to change the game anytime he touches the ball, you’re going to spend a high pick. RB is the only position in football that you are essentially as good as you are ever going to be as a rookie, and slightly less valuable every year after that. Resigning Carson probably isn’t a wise football decision, unless he comes back at Carlos Hyde type money. Penny had/maybe will have elite vision and breakaway speed, I’d be more likely to resign him given the lower mileage and ability to break one for 80 yards anytime he touches the ball, if he comes back to full health. There’s a chance Carson test his market next year and comes back if it’s cold enough, if there is a savings grace to the Clowney contract debacle, or even Ifedi it’s that players like Carson might be more hesitant to turn down a good but not great deal.
RBs are devalued in the NFL. You won’t draft good OL in 2nd/3rd rounds. The talent for DL/LB/WR also drops some.
So you save like 6-13m by not signing a second contract with an RB but lose 12-25m by not drafting a potential starter at OL/DL/LB/WR.
And much easier to find a good RB in R2-4 and a serviceable in R5-7 than for other positions. So while I think they could/should draft an RB almost every year, and draft one higher in every 3-5 years, but drafting one in R1 every year just seem a huge overkill
I know this isn’t a MLB blog, but they are completely tone deaf and can get out of their own way to have some semblance of a season. This reminds me of strikes in the past within MLB…. which I think kind of put one of the last nails in the proverbial coffin. MLB used to be king, but now is a distance 3rd place and possibly falling. The love to kill the golden goose every 10 years or so.
The NFL has a ton of faults and problems, but they know how to get and keep fans. Both the Comish and NFLPA deserve some props for keeping the ship righted and allowing everyone to “win”. Fans, players and owners.
Its an absolute embarrassment. Its a new plan every day with games ranging from 50-114. Just pick a damn number and start playing.
I stopped caring about MLB back in the 90s when they had the strike. Used to be a big fan
It’s amazing how they can’t come to an agreement, realizing the sporting world is starved for new content. They could have every sports broadcast and news piece focused on them. Build up loads of goodwill and perhaps win some new fans or bring some of us back that have relegated baseball way down their priority list.
…or the opposite. they move too fast and become the example across the globe of how not to move forward. the liability is enormous. who would be held responsible if something went wrong.
I’m to understand it’s the money and revenue split that is the sticking point, not the COVID safety and logistics. But I could be wrong.
Bingo. It’s total money. Almost nobody is afraid of COVID19 – just the money. It’s really become such a joke.
When I say nobody is afraid of COVID19 – I am saying that it does not seem to be an issue at all in these negotiations. Both sides want to play. But it’s the dollar, not COVID, that will ruin the season. They could have still had a good amount of games to play – but they keep fighting over money (not player safety).
great point, but i imagine that insurance, liabilities, and money are all tied together. if something dramatic happens and it relates to a lack of due diligence, you don’t want be stuck holding the bag. but i haven’t been following this at all… just a thought!
Rob do you think that the Seahawks incorporate Russell Wilson with more bootlegs in their offense? To avoid the pass rush.
Well, they’ve always seen Wilson’s scrambling and mobility as an asset.
https://twitter.com/PFF_Sam/status/1272609905841758214
Something I think I mentioned here before, Clowney creates so many offsides etc. that it pretty much negates his own impact on the run game.
Just another detail that makes me think that he looks way better than he produces. He is wrecking ball that shoots into the backfield on some running plays but it’s worthless if he just gifts a first down on the next drive.
Are you being serious??
Myles Garrett, JJ Watt, Calais Campbell and Chris Jones are also in the top-10 for these statistics. T.J. Watt is #11.
Let’s not have anyone like that…
How about Michael Bennett? Good pass rusher but he had his share of off side penalties.
Because he’s, or was, incredibly active and trying to jump the count. Good lord, Seattle won a SB because of this. I’d imagine it’s something Pete has always wanted in his pass rushers. I.E. twitch.
Ifedi wouldve made a great 5tech. He’s always trying to jump the count
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Good news for the Niners.
Looking at Chuba Hubbard, I don’t think he’s as good as either CEH or JT. Does anyone else see his tape the same?
I see a lot of wide open runs to the end zone, he has talent but he’s kinda meh to me.
Anybody here an OSU dude?
Wrote about him a few days ago
Yup. Good, not as good as those 2.
Interesting story that’s popped up with Chuba Hubbard after Mike Gundy was seen wearing a shirt of that vile freakshow network OAN. Said “I will not be doing anything with Oklahoma State until things CHANGE.”
Although then he put out a video with Gundy like… Five hours later apologising for the tweet and saying they were moving forward.
If college players start thinking about boycotting games, will we see NFL players following? Bet the NFL are glad they managed to get the CBA locked in already. Could be a pretty wild season, can’t imagine an ‘inmates running the prison’ comment going down especially well these days.
TCU S Ar’Darius Washington is a good one. Real good. Fearless
Plays bigger than his size. Don’t know if he declares as a R-SO, but there’s a vibe about him.
My (2) favorite “Seahawk” type of RB’s coming out next year are Kylin Hill from USM(He’s going to have monster receiving #’s with Lynch as his HC), and Keontay Ingram from UT.
IMHO Hill has been underused and is the overall best RB next year. Etienne gets a lot of pub(deservedly so) but he also has some ball control issues and I don’t think he’s a put a team on his shoulders kind of RB. Keontay has some of the best hands in the class but speed has come into question.