WR John Ross breaks 40-yard dash record with unofficial time of 4.22 pic.twitter.com/Lq7u9QpeTS
— NFL News (@New_NFL_News) March 4, 2017
Wide receivers
John Ross broke the record for the fastest 40-yard-dash at the combine, nailing an official 4.22. He’s a top-20 lock. The national media narrative has talked up Mike Williams and Corey Davis constantly. Ross is the #1 receiver in this draft and has been for months. His speed, explosive athleticism (37 inch vertical, 11-1 broad jump) and ability to explode out of his breaks and get open is unmatched. There are injury concerns but he has the potential to be the next star receiver in the NFL.
There were a handful of other good performers but nothing close to Ross’ brilliance. Here are some of the names that could be on Seattle’s radar (with their height, weight, forty time, vertical and broad jump marks noted).
Quincy Adeboyejo — 6-3, 197lbs, 4.42, 34.5, 10-3
Jehu Chesson — 6-2, 204lbs, 4.47, 35.5, 11-0
Robert Davis — 6-3, 219lbs, 4.44, 41, 11-4
Malachi Dupre — 6-2, 196lbs, 4.52, 39.5, 11-3
Krishawn Hogan — 6-3, 222lbs, 4.56, 36.5, 10-4
Chris Godwin — 6-1, 209lbs, 4.42, 36, 10-6
Zay Jones — 6-2, 201lbs, 4.45, 36.5, 11-1
Josh Reynolds — 6-3, 194lbs, 4.52, 37, 10-4
Curtis Samuel — 5-10, 196lbs, 4.31, 37, 9-11
We started the 2016 season talking up Jehu Chesson as a Seahawks option and that remains the case. He’s quick (4.47) and explosive (35.5 inch vert, 11-0 broad) with the ability to impact games as a blocker, returner and downfield threat. He didn’t get many targets in Michigan’s run-heavy offense — but Chesson has a complete skill-set.
The Seahawks might add a receiver between rounds 3-7. However, there aren’t a ton of viable options compared to other positions.
Tight ends
Now we’re talking. In recent years the tight end workouts have provided a good excuse to go outside and do something else. Finally — with the league crying out for mismatch targets in the passing game — the combine delivers a handful of insane athletes.
The highlights? Bucky Hodges had an unreal broad jump (11-2), O.J. Howard ran the same time as Leonard Fournette despite weighing 10lbs more and Evan Engram managed a 4.42 at 234lbs.
When Julio Jones recorded an 11-3 broad jump in 2011 the NFL world stood still. For Hodges to come within an inch of that mark and for David Njoku (11-1) and George Kittle (11-0) to be in the vicinity too is remarkable.
Eric Ebron’s 4.60 in 2014 convinced the Detroit Lions to take him at #10 ahead of Odell Beckham Jr. and Aaron Donald. Engram (4.42), Hodges (4.57), Howard (4.51) and Kittle (4.52) all topped Ebron’s time — and Njoku wasn’t far behind (4.64) while having vastly superior vertical (37.5) and broad (11-1) jumps.
The following players are going to be off the board pretty quickly:
(height, weight, forty, vertical, broad)
Evan Engram — 6-3, 234lbs, 4.42, 36, 10-5
Gerald Everett — 6-3, 239lbs, 4.62, 37.5, 10-6
Bucky Hodges — 6-6, 257lbs, 4.57, 39, 11-2
O.J. Howard — 6-6, 251lbs, 4.51, 30, 10-1
George Kittle — 6-4, 247lbs, 4.52, 35, 11-0
David Njoku — 6-4, 246lbs, 4.64, 37.5, 11-1
Adam Shaheen — 6-6, 278lbs, 4.79, 32.5, 10-1
Jonnu Smith — 6-3, 6-3, 248lbs, 4.62, 38, 10-7
This draft class will be defined by explosive mismatch tight ends and the players drafted to cover them (more on the safety/hybrid class later).
This is arugbaly the most dynamic group of TE’s ever. Engram, Hodges, Howard and Njoku will all likely be off the board in the top-45.
Quarterbacks
I didn’t personally see the quarterback workouts due to work commitments — but the praise bestowed upon Deshaun Watson was interesting:
Media (like myself) invited inside to watch QB workouts are not allowed to tweet until after they end. Now that it has… wow #DeshaunWatson
— Rob Rang (@RobRang) March 4, 2017
Asked scouts and coaches for a half-dozen NFL teams about QB throwing sessions. One strong consensus: Clemson's Deshaun Watson won this day.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) March 4, 2017
We’ve talked about this before — but it’s staggering really how the media and/or the NFL views Watson compared to Jared Goff a year ago. While Watson is far from flawless, Goff was an inconsistent passer playing in the most extreme spread-offense imaginable — failing to lift his team beyond average. Watson has better production, arguably better physical skills and shares some of the same issues as Goff (turnovers, occasional misreads etc).
The Rams ended up trading multiple picks for the right to select Goff. Before today, most pundits rated Watson as a late first or early second round prospect.
Why the discrepancy between the two?
Listening to Daniel Jeremiah discuss the quarterback class, it sounds like Mitch Trubisky and Patrick Mahomes also impressed — as did Brad Kaaya — while Deshone Kizer had an inconsistent day.
Increasingly it looks like at the very least Watson, Trubisky and Mahomes will be early first round picks.
Defensive back measurements
We know the Seahawks haven’t drafted a cornerback with sub-32 inch arms during the Pete Carroll era. Length matters in Seattle (innuendo intended).
Here’s a list of all the cornerbacks next to their height and arm length. The players with ‘Seahawky size’ are in bold:
Brian Allen — 6-3, 34
Chidobe Awuzie — 6-0, 30 5/8
Jeremy Clark — 6-3, 32 7/8
Gareon Conley — 6-0, 33
Treston Decoud — 6-2, 33
Rasul Douglas — 6-2, 32 3/8
Corn Elder — 5-11, 31 1/4
Marlon Humphrey — 6-0, 32 1/4
Adoree’ Jackson — 5-10, 31 3/8
Sidney Jones — 6-0, 31 1/2
Damontae Kazee — 5-10, 30 7/8
Desmond King — 5-10, 31 1/8
Kevin King — 6-3, 32
Ashton Lampkin — 6-0, 31
Brendan Langley — 6-0, 32 3/8
Marshon Lattimore — 6-0, 31 1/4
Jourdan Lewis — 5-10, 31 5/8
Fabian Moreau — 6-0, 31 3/8
Channing Stribling — 6-1, 31 1/2
Cam Sutton — 5-11, 30
Teez Tabor — 6-0, 32 1/4
Cordrea Tankersley — 6-1, 32 1/4
Marquez White — 6-0, 32 1/8
Tre’Davious White — 5-11, 32 1/8
Howard Wilson — 6-1, 31 3/8
Quincy Wilson — 6-1, 32 1/4
Ahkello Witherspoon — 6-3, 33
There are 14 cornerbacks with 32-inch arms. That’s a nice group for the Seahawks to pick from.
Possible options in rounds 1-2 include:
Gareon Conley (Ohio State)
Rasul Douglas (West Virginia)
Marlon Humphrey (Alabama)
Kevin King (Washington)
Teez Tabor (Florida)
Cordrea Tankersley (Clemson)
Tre’Davious White (LSU)
Quincy Wilson (Florida)
Ahkello Witherspoon (Colorado)
For any of these players to be considered they’re probably going to need to have a terrific workout on Monday. The Seahawks haven’t drafted a cornerback before the fourth round in the Carroll era. If they’re going to break that trend in 2017 — it probably won’t be for an average athlete.
Of the names above, Kevin King is the best bet for a sensational performance. Seattle will find at least one corner they like in this class — and the chances are it’ll be one of the 14 names in bold listed above.
It was disappointing to see Houston’s Howard Wilson measure up short. It looks like he’s off the radar.
The safety class provides even more excitement. Arm length isn’t quite as important here but I’ve highlighted the players with +32 inch arms anyway:
Jamal Adams — 6-0, 33 3/8
Budda Baker — 5-10, 30 5/8
Chuck Clark — 6-0 32 1/4
Justin Evans — 6-0, 32
Josh Harvey-Clemons — 6-4, 35 3/8
Delano Hill — 6-1, 32 1/8
Malik Hooker — 6-1, 33 1/4
Eddie Jackson — 6-0, 32 1/4
Rayshawn Jenkins — 6-1, 32 3/4
Lorenzo Jerome — 5-10, 30 5/8
Jadar Johnson — 6-0, 32
John Johnson — 6-0, 32 1/2
Josh Jones — 6-1, 32
Shalom Luani — 5-11, 32
Marcus Maye — 6-0, 32 1/2
Obi Melifonwu — 6-4, 32 1/2
Montae Nicholson — 6-2, 33 3/8
Tedric Thompson — 6-0, 31 1/2
Marcus Williams — 6-1, 32 1/2
Incredibly, nearly every safety has +32 inch arms.
This is important in relation to the Seahawks. Jeremy Lane played 71.39% of the defensive snaps in 2016. Seattle frequently played in a 4-2-5, with Bobby Wagner and K.J. Wright both playing nearly 100% of the snaps.
Mike Morgan, the starting SAM when healthy, only had one game where he played more than 50% of the snaps (vs LA in week 2). After recovering from a sports hernia, on average he played 24.92% of the defensive snaps.
Who knows how they would’ve divided the snaps if Bruce Irvin was still on the roster as the SAM? Nevertheless, they played a lot of 4-2-5 in 2016.
Given the sheer number of safety’s with 32 inch arms in this class, it’s possible they’d be willing to select a hybrid to replace Lane in the slot (he could move outside).
If you missed our piece on ‘Buffalo’ big nickels — check it out here.
Ultimately this seems to be the way the league’s going. Match-ups are key.
For one of the names above to be considered for this role, they’d likely need a superb workout. If you can get the length and athleticism of a corner in a safety body — this seems like a realistic consideration.
Here are some names to keep an eye on:
Shalom Luani (Washington State)
Obi Melifonwu (Connecticut)
Josh Johnson (Boston College)
Justin Evans (Texas A&M)
All four are highly athletic. Big things are expected of Melifonwu and Evans. Two days after seeing a collection of freaky TE prospects workout, the league is going to be seeking an antidote.
The other name to monitor is Budda Baker. He’s small (5-10, 195lbs) with short arms (30 5/8) but he just looks like the type of player this team will love. They might think he’ll be too much of a size mismatch from the slot and there’s every chance he’ll be off the board by pick #26 anyway. If there’s a smaller prospect this team is willing to take a chance on though — it could easily be Baker.
One final note on the defensive backs — last year there were 19 DB’s with +32 inch arms. This year there are 30. Big difference.
Tomorrow the defensive linemen and linebackers workout. Pete Carroll stated they’ll be drafting for the linebacker position in his end-of-season press conference, so Sunday is a key day at the combine.
Our live blog begins at 6am PST with constant updates throughout.
Pauline with some interesting notes on the bench drill:
“The bench press numbers have not been anything to brag about this year, and several sources have confided in me that they believe the bench they are using is narrower than usual, which has led to lower numbers than expected.
Players are having problems getting leverage on the bench, and many have come off the bench with sore shoulders.
While people applauded Samaje Perine for completing 30 reps, the running back had been consistently pushing up 35 reps in training and expected to replicate that number at the combine but had problems with the bench. Utah guard Isaac Asiata hoped to complete 40 reps and expected at least 38 but finished with 35. He also had problems with the bench.
Pac-12 receivers Chad Hansen of Cal and Darreus Rogers of USC are players who also had issues with the bench.”
http://draftanalyst.com/combine-report-34-free-agent-rumors-more-reuben-foster
I mentioned yesterday I was surprised that Perine “only” put up 30. This could explain why.
The nice thing is, we should be able to compare it with what they put up at their pro day to see if this theory rings true.
That sounds good considering Zach Cunningham only managed 15 reps. I was hoping for closer to 20 even with the arm length he has.
Bench rep IMO is a pointless exercise for anyone not playing in the trenches.
Even then it’s just an endurance/stamina test and not truly representative of power.
Anyone who goes to the gym regularly can bench their own body weight. We’re asking guys who are +225lbs to bench less than their body weight. It’s not a challenge. It’s just endurance.
It can be used to find a measure of total strength. it’s also a good indicator of who actually spent time in the gym.
The majority of power is generated in the legs and that’s measured in the broad and vert jumps.
It’s possibly a measure of who spends time in the gym. Personally, I wouldn’t be asking my linebackers to focus on the bench though. I’ve not even looked at the rep numbers from yesterday for the LB’s.
Is that a typo, Harvey-Clemons 35 3/8 arms? That’s crazy long!!
Unfortunately his tape is horrendous at times.
He’s soooo bad. Watch his tape vs Syracuse. Pass from me.
You could say he has Chronic lapses in coverage
So because of his poor performance the Hawks will keep him at arms length, which in his case will be a “long shot” to make the team.
I’m intrigued by Josh Harvey Clemons – given that he was kicked off Georgia (I think) for positive MJ tests, I wonder if he might end up as a Seahawk. I’ll admit I haven’t watched any tape, but he’s on my list to check out based on his measurables.
Chesson being in Harbaugh’s offense always seemed like a possible guy Seattle would look at. Darrell Daniels might be a day 3 option at TE – he’s had to block in UW’s offense and he can catch. He just didn’t get as many opportunities. There are better TEs but it seems like a day 3 TE might make sense. I’d like to see us trade up in the 2nd and get King using one of those extra 3rd rounder.
Harvey-Clemons is this years Jayron Kearse.
Jayron Kearse is a perfect comp
Daniels’ hands are not very good
Excellent information as always. Conspiracy theory here: Pete just extolled the virtues of Vannett. Could that have been a smoke screen to cover the fact they’re looking at one of the TE’s in this group?
They’ve always had and or used 3 TEs. I mean we could all make the argument that a 3rd TE could be found in the bargain bin in FA, but are any of them going to be as explosive and athletic as someone from this years group? I’d have to think that’s pretty doubtful.
What do you think about the TE from Iowa?
FA rumors via Pauline:
– Desean Jackson to TB for around $12m/apy.
– Speedy WR such as Robert Woods and Kenny Stills will get huge offers too.
– Mike Glennon will be strongly pursued by NYJ, but probably end up in CHI.
http://draftanalyst.com/combine-report-34-free-agent-rumors-more-reuben-foster
Seahawks have also interviewed USC OT Zach Banner.
He’s their kind of guy? Size, great run blocker, awful technique.
IDK why I put the question mark in there. Oops.
I wonder if he’d get drafted in a better year for O-lineman. Might not even this year.
Others on here have mentioned the possibility of picking him up as a udfa, and I hope that is all Seattle would be willing to commit to a player like him.
Smoke screen maybe?
Hmmm. I didn’t really think of that, but now that you mention it? Makes a whole lot of sense.
Wheat were his official #’s? His TEF was pretty damn bad.
23.5 vert, 7’8″ broad, 22 bench is what I have. TEFail
Or maybe solidifying his selection of the hometown team in udfa
Perhaps just checking in and offering guidance?
A project guy that doesn’t always play up to his numbers, but this is eerily similar.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLResearch/status/838142367207047168/photo/1
Hodges will be a freak for someone with those numbers.
Agreed. Whoever takes him will just need to be patient with him because he’s gotta improve all of the inline stuff.
Him and Ifedi would be a dynamite ‘get off the bus 1st’ type of duo, but so raw.
* that was meant to be posted above.
Patriots met with him – his measurements are almost bang on w jimmy graham
Vol12 you mentioned some day 3 candidates for the hawks in the other post today. Could you or anyone else make a little list of possible targets with the knowledge gained today? Woud really appriciate it
Sure. Day 3 guys?
Leo odom, te kittle, a wr, the udfa qb,…
Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee
Josh Dobbs, QB, Tennessee- UDFA
Sefo Liufau, QB, Colorado- UDFA
You know who had a great combine? Penn St WR Chris Godwin. Really physical guy. Probably made himself a ton of money today.
Thank you very much 🙂
Liufau does scream Seahawks practice squad type QB. He was very impressive with the Buffs.
I was able to catch some of the QB drills, and another guy that Mayock and David Carr liked was Jerod Evans, Virginia Tech. While he is still clearly “working through some things” (referring to the 5 and 7 step drops almost all the spread QBs are having to adjust to), he throws a really nice deep ball and they all highlighted his quick release is special. Mayock compared him to some dude in the 70’s and Carr had no idea who he was talking about, lol.
Here’s a vid with some of the QB highlights:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000790137/QB-Highlights-from-Day-2-of-the-NFL-Combine
I must also add, Steve Smith and David Carr were absolutely wonderful commenting on these drills. They would instantly tell you whether the ball was over/underthrown by the QB, or thrown too far away from the sideline, or how an extra hitch in the QB’s footwork caused him to put less arc on the throw so as to try and make up for lost time getting it there, or even how a throw that landed out of bounds was actually the WR’s fault.
Whether the WR was at fault for not running the route correctly, or looking back at the QB when coming out of his break instead of putting his head down and exploding out of the break and then looking up to track the ball in the air after 3 or 4 strides.
Olsen was just as helpful in breaking down the TE drills, and he’s just a natural in chemistry with the others (Mayock and Eisen).
I learned more about scouting by watching a few minutes of these drills and hearing what real NFL players were seeing than hours of trying to watch tape on my own. A++ for NFL Network on that one, and I highly recommend SDB followers go back and check it out if they have the possibility.
I love listening to articulate pros. They have so much knowledge, you can learn so quickly from them.
Wow. OK St RB Chris Carson is 3rd in SPARQ amongst RBs.
Alvin Kamara
Aaron Jones
Carson
McCaffrey
Marlon Mack
Love that find of yours, Vol.
If Carson improves his 40yd by just a bit into the 4.55 range at his pro day, he will fit the Seahawk RB profile to a t.
I had no idea he was at the combine until I saw the weigh ins.
Did not expect him to test the way he did either.
Comps 78.8% to DeMarco Murray actually:
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/christopher-carson?position=RB
He has a similar build to Murray.
Seahawks are meeting with RB D’Onta Foreman.
Blessing in disguise that he can’t show off his size/athleticism?
Possible. Let’s see what he does at the Longhorns pro day.
Sweet.
I just went back to watch film on shalom luani.
WOW.
This kid can play, i would not be angry if we used a 2nd on him. Crazy closing speed and really extinctive.
I’d seen rob talk about him, and im inpressed by the film i just watched. Plus he has 32 inch arms.
Good versatility. played FS as a junior for the cougs, moved up to SS and nickle as a senior. He’s a playmaker. Instinctive, can get into the backfield. Aside from gritty Gabe Marks, he was my favorite coug
Adoree Jackson is a freak athlete. I wonder if that is enough to overcome the half inch missing in his arms?
Perhaps. But he’s also short (5-10) and small (186lbs). I really like Jackson as a player but he might need to be Superman to land in Seattle.
My favorite reaction to John Ross’ 40yd:
Jarvis Juice Landry Verified account @God_Son80
He look fast even in slow motion.. 👀
9:43 AM – 4 Mar 2017
Coming from the guys whose 40 looked slow even when sped up . . .
LMFAO
Love those TEs
Really liking the idea of Chesson, a TE and a safety in the third round. After going LB/CB in the first 2 rounds
1 Zach Cunningham
2 Gareon Conley
3 Justin Evans
3 Jehu Chesson
3 Darrell Daniels
Unfortunately Conley won’t last into round two and Evans certainly won’t last deep into round three.
Both could easily be R1 picks.
Yeah I figured, I wouldn’t mind taking Rasul in round 2 or maybe we trade back and get a fifth, then we could go Luani instead of Evans
I’m a bit surprised how little love George Kittle has had, so hopefully his combine performance will bump up his stock–just not too much, because I’d love for the ‘Hawks to be able to snag him in a later round.
First, Kittle is a terrific blocker and could line up outside a tackle or in the backfield. Second, he’s fast and explosive, as was reinforced by his great performance today. Third, he has very good hands. Fourth, he’s at least a decent route runner based on his tape at Iowa.
He looks like the complete package, maybe a bit better than Nick Vannett was coming out of Ohio State. With Luke Willson possibly leaving in free agency and with Jimmy G possibly not being with the team after 2017, it makes sense for the Hawks to draft a TE and bring in couple more as UFAs–especially ones who can block.
Definitely better than Vannet. Vannet is a very average tight end.
Say goodbye to Willson and hello to Kittle. Kittle is legit.
Seems a bit early to make that assessment. I highly doubt JS drafts a “very average tight end” in the 3rd round. TE is well known to take a year or so to adjust to at the pro level.
Not saying that kittle wouldn’t be great, but let’s not throw a highly drafted player ( who JS was very excited to get) in the dustbin quite yet.
No doubt George Kitthe made himself some money yesterday. Kittle is a terrific blocker. But he posted a time of 4.58 in the 40. Kind of reminfo me of Zach Miller.
Official time is 4.53.
I’ve watched every college game in which John Ross played, and I’ve rewatched several 2016 games. While I understand concerns about his injury history and his relative lack of experience, there should be few concerns about his size–does anyone knock Antonio Brown or Brandin Cooks over their sizes now? What about Tyler Lockett? Several 2015 redrafts had Lockett going in the first round.
I understand the mismatches created by big WRs like Julio Jones, but a polished speedster with good hands who runs great routes and creates major separation can be equally valuable despite being sub 6 feet tall–especially one who can outrun everyone on the defense.
Ross has been a top-20 lock from the minute he declared for the draft.
The problem Ross has is his size, as mentioned by the TV announcer. A slim build is good for speed when running track, but bad because there is not enough muscle/ padding to absorb the hits and pounding in football. Look at the Richardson, who has spent most of his time with the Hawks on the IR instead of playing. Lockett is the same way. The bigger body with speed is the prefered WR/ RB.
Any thoughts on Jalen Robinette (WR, Air Force). I know he ran a 4.62, but he’s 6’3″/220lbs w/ 32 ⅜-inch arms and 10 ⅞-inch hands. He looked good at the Shrine Game and Senior Bowl as well. Maybe I hold a bias (13 yr Air Force vet), but I’d like to see him get a shot with the team. Mocks are saying 2-3 rd with comps between Cody Latimer-DeMaryius Thomas… What do you think?
Zach Banner isn’t very athletic, but perhaps he could play blocking tight end? Just as a sixth body to push piles and fill up space for guys to have to run around.
Its interesting.
He mentioned Seattle has talked to him a few times at the combine and PC gave him his 3rd scholarship offer out of HS.
Not out of HS. As a FR in HS.
There’s something like 5 O-lineman that tested better than average athleticism wise. So this year they may have to take an O-lineman like Banner. If they want an OT from this class that is.
The pro days are sure to bring us a few more names for day 3 too though.
I just can’t imagine Banner in Seattle. Such a weak athlete overall, way too big. Tape bad.
+1
I could see him as a UDFA camp body, but there’s no chance he’d be on the 53 next season.
Next to none*
They did draft a guy they knew would never play because of a heart condition.
This is a sentimental front office
Banner is a sloth. Sorry Kenny
I believe you are referring to Garrett Scott. They did not draft him knowing he had a heart condition. The heart condition was discovered after he was drafted and during the team physical. The Hawks then kept him on the Non Football Injury list for a year to ensure he received proper medical treatment and could take advantage of the teams health insurance. They let him keep his signing bonus.
Also, UW EDGE Joe Mathis has met with the Seahawks. Teams are telling him he can be a SLB in a 4-3. Won’t workout now or at Udubs pro day. Will have his own pro day closer to the draft.
Please make this happen! The most underrated pass rusher in this class.
Had more reps on the BP other than Carl Lawson (35) at 30 reps until they disqualified 6 of them. He’s pretty PO about it. lol
Joe Mathis is a major sleeper. I think he goes late second early third. Underrated in a big way.
YES PLEASE.
Here’s a link to an interview that DBD conducted with Joe Mathis. Provides good insight into his mentality as a player and features some clips showcasing his ability on the field (doesn’t get baited by play action, nice hand usage, etc.):
http://draftbreakdown.com/exclusive-interview-with-washington-edge-rusher-joe-mathis/
Where do you find this information?
If we bring on yet another Husky, we first must send one packing. As a coug, i can’t stand anymore. i vote for booting Kearse.
jokes aside, i think Mathis would be a good target
I´ll take any Husky, and if Joe stays in the city, I for sure will be happy.
Amazing class of TEs and some of the lesser known WRs might rise up, such as one of my favorites: Carlos Henderson. The 2nd and 3rd rounds are going to have some money players this year. What an exciting draft! No way could we pass OJ Howard if he makes it to 26, but that’s a pipe dream. Snagging an offensive player in round 3 might be where we dip into the non-defensive pool, I suppose. Im glad to see so many CBs and Safeties that fit our arm-length criteria. We are going to have a good fit for needs and available talent at DB. Thankfully so, since OL is really slim pickings this year.
Carlos Henderson is a stud. He’s a Seahawk kind of receiver.
Solomon Thomas and Myles Garett could have the highest TEF scores ever tomorrow with 30 and 33 reps on the Bench to start.
Any ideas where Ross will end up?
I think Carson Wentz is like one explosive receiver away from having breakout season, so I’d like to see him in Philly maybe.
He could be a really nice target for Marcus Mariotta in Tennessee, that would put him in the top 5. I don’t think he goes lower than top 15, personally.
The Titans came to mind for me as well. They have stated they need to get more play makers for Mariota. The RB stable looks like it might be full, but they definitely need help at TE and WR…. and OL
Ross’ floor is probably Eagles at #14. Possibly earlier.
Eagles have very little at wide receiver. I can see them drafting Ross even after signing major FA such as Marshall or Jeffrey.
and DeSean Jackson rumors are also swirling….
imagine, FA addition of Jeffrey and Jackson, then throw in Ross… that would be a very dynamic set of 3 WRs to throw to for the QB. Eagles would go from laughing stock to serious threat to all the NFCE teams.
Id say the rumors of Desean to Tampa are more credible since they gave an amount for the deal
Similar reasoning has me in agreement that we should be in the Brandin Cooks discussion. If the Saints would even accept 26, having already shot down NE’s 32nd overall selection. Our offense bogged down not just because of poor O-line play, running game. Lockett hurt badly, PRich small sample size of health. Cooks is cap friendly through 2018, so it’s not another Harvin or Graham herculean effort.
I think there is word that Cooks want a bigger contract.
Draft day “what if” scenerio:
The FO has figured out a way to get 9-10 picks out of the draft after seeing some huge value in the last two rounds (i.e. DeCoud, Brandon Wilson, Luani, Hood, Horace Richardson)
After some early success picking Reddick and King with th first two picks, they have a tough decision for their third pick. Knowing the quality LBs are top heavy this draft and that CBs and Safites run deep, the can pick either Bowser now and land two of the top three LBs on their board and look for their safety later OR pick a higher rated safety Evans now. What is the best choice?
Two LB’s, and early at that? Were you planning on grabbing any OL?
With all of these freaky TE’s does it make a guy like Zach Cunningham more of a valuable chess piece? Still not sure how high I am on taking him at #26, but I can’t wait to see what he and Bowser can do tomorrow.
I think it makes Obi Melifonwu a more valuable chess piece.
John Ross just made himself a-lot of money today. 4.22 40…. that is flying.
The 49ers should really consider trading down for more draft picks. They need to add talent in the worst way.
After reading all of Rob’s blogs and most of the comments, I have a few thoughts to share.
1 – O-line. Based on Rob’s assessment, comments from PC/JS, and the likelihood that the few top tackles will be gone by 26, it seems likely that at least 4 of the starting Seahawk linemen, if not all five, will be the starters in 2017. Every one of them have the size and athleticism to eventually excel. They must have the competitive nature or they wouldn’t still be with the Seahawks. As JS said, they invested a troubling 2016 to provide needed game experience. It’s a cliche that O-lines need to jell to be good, and that takes time. And finally, it’s not unusual for the best O-linemen in the league to be in their late 20s or early 30s. So while we may suffer through another year or two of below average play from the unit, it could well serve the longer term to grow a unit with the potential to be exceptional. Bottom line: unlikely to see O-linemen drafter early this year by the Seahawks. A couple of low cost FAs to compete, provide mentoring, but that’s probably it.
2 – CB. With so many that meet Seahawk standards, it’s less likely one will be selected in the first or second picks. Just so much talented depth. While we could see two selected in the first six picks, it’s possible it won’t be in the first or second.
3 – trading down. This just seems so likely given this draft. So much talent throughout the first 3-4 rounds, given JS history, moving down from 26 to get more picks seems near certain to me.
4 – TE. While this draft favors the defense, and Seattle needs defense, the one exception in the early rounds might be TE. Drafting one of these athletic freaks might be the best way in this draft to boost the offense. The guy that looks particularly intriguing is Bucky Hodges, but there are two or three others that might serve as well. With Graham, Hodges, two WRs (Lockett/Baldwin/Richardon) and CJ, the Seahawks could run or pass out of that formation, perhaps replicating what NE had in Gronk/Hernandez. There would always be a mismatch, somewhere.
5 – While there are many CBs that potentially fit the profile, there is a unique safety that Seattle might really like in Budda Baker. He is small, but a special football player. Part of the challenge when reading about/watching these players is separating athleticism from skill/instinct. As a soccer goalie, it was more important to be in the right place at the right time than how far I could leap. I suspect the same for safety. Losing Thomas in 2016 meant little downgrade in terms of athleticism, yet drastically in football wisdom. If Baker has the higher football IQ to go along with his speed, that might be the combination the Seahawks find intriguing. Of course, if he tests too well, he might be put out of reach. And there could be other prospects as good or better that they might prefer, especially given how many out-reach Baker.
6 – Riddick. If they draft him with their first pick, I suspect it will be initially as a pass-rush specialist. I understand he has all the tools to play LB, but the fact is, he is changing positions. As such, we can expect, like with Irvin, a year to learn the position properly prior to starting. Once he masters the LB position, he could retain his third down pass-rushing role, will playing lB in earlier downs. That would be ideal, but I think it a stretch to believe he could start at LB as a rookie.
7 – first six picks (assuming a trade down) in no particular order: safety, TE, 2 CBs, LB, DE/DT
8 – favs: this blog has me enamored with Baker and King, not unlike many people who post here. Just adding the TE Hodges after today’s performance.
Gonna be a great draft. Can’t wait!
King at 6’3, 200 may be a Safety and CB candidate? He’s a freak (as if we didn’t know this already)
I was actually suprised to hear that very same thing from Pauline the other day, that King could be seen by some as a better fit at safety with his athleticism. A lot will depend on how he runs in the 40yd tomorrow.
Way too early mock after John Ross’s record day.
26: R1P26
S OBI MELIFONWU
CONNECTICUT
58: R2P26
OT TAYLOR MOTON
WESTERN MICHIGAN
90: R3P26
CB AHKELLO WITHERSPOON
COLORADO
102: R3P38
DL DALVIN TOMLINSON
ALABAMA
106: R3P42
EDGE JOE MATHIS
WASHINGTON
210: R6P26
LB MARQUEL LEE
WAKE FOREST
226: R7P8
RB DE’ANGELO HENDERSON
COASTAL CAROLINA
Going back to the Obi Won well for that first pick; play a little safety, maybe some corner or buffalo, probably that special athlete on the defense PC would have a hard time resisting. Like them targeting Moton, if he’s not snagged up before 58. If they don’t take a pure corner within the first two picks, I think 90 is probably the likely landing spot, and Witherspoon did a nice job against the record breaking John Ross.
The team has spoken with Tomlinson and Mathis, and that makes me happy. Suddenly, this draft is pretty much all about the defense. Seattle double downs on LB with Lee late, and finds late round value at RB in Henderson.
UDFA’s include QB CJ Bethard, WR James Quick, TE Pharaoh Brown, and kicker Zane Gonzalez.
Seattle spends a little FA money for the DL, OL, and a RB.
All quality playets. Tomlinson at 102 ain’t happening but I’d take it.
I love the way this sets up.
Getting Witherspoon, Tomlinson, and Mathis in the Third would give Seahawks a jolt of exhuberant defensive talent. The value in youth and athleticism can’t be overstated. The Defense has been seeking that energy and fearlessness.
Yet, were they willing, Seahawks could cash those picks in for established veterans whose teams currently are reluctant to pay them. Joe Haden, Sheldon Richardson, Mychal Kendricks have all been named in national media as fitting that profile. Costly though they may be, would these guys be Alpha Dog enough to make our Defense feared again?
Would you trade Witherspoon for Haden? Tomlinson for Richardson? Mathis for Kendricks?
Good stuff. Rob was once again ahead of the curve mocking Moton to the Hawks pre-TEF.
And as some beat me to saying, Obi is going to become even more coveted seeing that 10/14 TE who ran at the combine ran sub-4.7. That’s just crazy, and a good defense has to be able to counter that. Was hoping for freakishly long arms on Obi too, but at least he met the 32 mark. Can’t wait to see how he tests.
I think it may be overlooked but, WR-Shelton Gibson had a modern day record time in the 60 yard shuttle with a 10.71. This test, I think, shows long speed shiftiness and cutting ability while running at a fast pace. As a WR, this guy averages over 21 YPC and also is a good kick returner. UDFA possibility?
It looks like Denver and Houston are going head to head over Romo and Cutler. Neither QB is a long term solution. Both teams have too much talent to waste waiting for a QB to develop.
By my count there are at least 12 teams that are in the market for a starting QB. After today’s combine performance there will probably be four QB’s that go in the first round. QB’s are always overvalued. In the first round I am projecting at the moment 15 offensive players ( 4 QB. 3 OL, 2 TE, 3 WR, 3 RB ). Most of those 15 offensive players should come off the board before the Seahawks pick at #26 which leaves a bunch of defensive talent for the Hawks and the five teams that follow them who are also mostly looking for defense.
I’d love Carlos Henderson should he make it to one of our 3rd rounders. Hell, maybe even in the 2nd. Amazing YAC. Tested really well, great speed. One of my favorites in the class. I really like Godwin, too.
Malachi Dupre measuring much taller than I anticipated.
Plays like he’s Doug Baldwin.
Does that make his contested catches less impressive?
Explosive testing is good
He feels like a WR the Hawks would pick.
‘Why the discrepancy between the two?’ Because Watson is black and Goff is white.
Prejudice, subconscious or otherwise, is hard to overcome. I hope Watson goes to the Browns with Garrett and drags them to the playoffs while the Rams remain mired in pathetic mediocrity.
I have been noticing that. 🙂
Tragically, this is likely the case.
What else could it be?! It’s honestly ridiculous. I haven’t watched much coverage this offseason but it seems like that’s not being discussed. In no way could Goff be considered a number one pick this draft. Wentz I can see as there was a little precedent with the Roethlisberger pick. But Goff really didn’t seam worthy of a round 1 pick last year. It seams once the consensus is set, be it media driven or organization driven it’s hard to change it. But come on… I would like to see people ask straight up “if Goff was a number 1 last season how in the world are these guys not considered number 1’s?”
A serious discussion about structural racism within the NFL will never, ever, occur – let alone one about football in college and high school. It’s so deeply embedded, and there are so many people with vested interests in maintaining the status quo, that it’s going to take decades to see any substantial change.
I find that conclusion rather unlikely considering Micheal Vick went 1st overall, Cam Newton went 1st overall, Donovan McNabb went 2nd overall, RGIII went 2nd overall, Steve McNair went 3rd overall, Vince Young went 3rd overal, JaMarcuss Russle went 1st overall, Jameis Winston 1st overall, EJ Manual 16th Overall, Doug Williams 17th overall, Daunte Culpepper 11th Overall, Josh Freeman 17th Overall, Jason Campbell 25th Overall, there may be more but you get the idea.
I’m not saying race isn’t playing any factor, but there doesn’t seem to be much evidence that teams are currently hesitant to take Black Quarterbacks early on in the first round. I feel more likely then not there are other football factors on why teams may not be down on Desean Watson.
*may be down
Good point. I guess my concern isn’t racism overall but how in the heck can Goff go 1 and Watson be considered a fringe first rounder by so many piundits? It just baffles me how Goff who was clearly then and moreso in hindsight a player not worthy of a high pick and yet a superior prospect in every way is not even considered. I hope Watson goes in the too 5 and the press was just wrong.
Because the Rams were moving to LA and needed to make a splashy move to get new fanbase excited is one reason.
May the spirit of 7-9 live on forever there!
Easy answer: Jeff Fisher and friends shatt the bed with the pick.
Remember Goff was not considered #1 at the combine. No QB was. But, QBs went 1-2 because QB-needy teams have a long time to talk themselves into a guy before the draft. I would not be surprised if QBs go 1-2 again and Watson could be #1.
Another reason could be that Watson has been in the national spotlight for so long that every little flaw has been analyzed to death. Goff didn’t get that kind of attention and people speculated more about what he could do than what he couldn’t do. I’m sure race does play some part in it but unless proven otherwise I’m going to assume the best in people.
Witherspoon at 6’3″ with 33″ arms is looking very attractive as a potential Rd. 3 pick (Just because I’m not sure he’ll last much later than that). He’ll definitely need to work on tackling, but the Hawks are one of the best at teaching that.
95% of tackling is mental. If you’re willing to put your body on the line, you can easily be taught how to do it properly. If you’re not, then you’ll never, ever, be good.
Seattle will teach him that. Sherman said himself that he wasn´t the biggest tackler before he came here, but being around Kam and Earl made him more willing to go hard.
No doubt George Kitthe made himself some money yesterday. Kittle is a terrific blocker. But he posted a time of 4.58 in the 40. Kind of reminfo me of Zach Miller.
Kittle ran an official 4.52 — a sensational time for a TE.
Derek Rivers from Youngstown State is listed as a DE but says some teams are telling him they like him at SAM. Doesn’t have great length but he still might be someone to keep an eye on tomorrow.
It’s amazing how many people are trying to poke holes in Ross right now. Top 20 guy for me. People still saying late second early third.
Medicals can really drag a player down, but on talent he’s easily worth a 1st round pick. He a better prospect than P. Dorsett and Will Fuller, who were former 1st-rounders who’s games included rare speed as one component.
Apparently 3 others noted about Robert Davis Georgia State WR, 6′ 3″ 219 lbs. in the previous post. His stats were (2nd) or [1st] in the measurables. 4.44 40, (19 bench), (41″ vertical), [11-4 broad], 9 5/8 hands and 33″ arms. More info on Draft Scout. He might be okay.
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/robert-davis/
And there is one now, Thank you Misfit. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=130263&draftyear=2017&genpos=WR
R1 – Humphrey CB Alabama
R2 – Asiata G Utah
R3 – Kupp WR EWU
R# – Mathis EDGE UW
R3 – Luani DB WSU
Total homer draft besides Humphrey. Swap him for King or Jones from UW if Jones falls and you still have a great looking draft.
So Brian Allen has freakishly long arms. No tape of him on draftbreakdown but I found some games with him in them. He’s number 14 and and mostly play LCB.
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/lowell-lotulelei-vs-byu-2016/
Here’s another:
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/marcus-williams-vs-arizona-state-2016/
One more and it’s pretty rough.
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/davis-webb-vs-utah-2016/
It turns out having 34″ inch arms doesn’t do much good when you’re trailing the play by four yards.
Glad you finally came to that conclusion on your own! Thanks for posting the links to the tape though.
He only recently started playing defense. Hawks might look at developing him if he tests well.
I wouldn’t worry about the tape. A guy like Allen gets picked in the 6-7-UDFA and has to sit for a year. Or do some special teams work. He’s risk/reward player. When you do run down of his Bio at UT you see just how little of a time frame he has to work at being a DB.
I’m still way higher on him then I am with Seisay/ Stanley Jean-baptiste. Guys who have actually played the position for many years and yet PC at his end of year presser says they still need help at the DB positions.
Dalvin Cook: 7.27 3-cone 4.53 shuttle
Garett Bolles: 7.29 3-cone 4.55 shuttle
Bolles can REALLY move.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
It is interesting that Mike Mayock didn’t even mentioned Kevin King while he was talking about almost 18 CB who will go in the first 3 rounds.
Either an oversight or because King is 6’3, 200lbs he may view him as a Safety?
His mistake I’m afraid — although to be fair making him do a near-30 minute press conference immediately after 7-hours of live broadcasting seemed totally bizarre.
Agreed on that. After two days of broadcasting that long too.
Any chance the Hawks look to take Lamp and try him at RT? I know his arm length is a concern, but they’re similar size to Joe Thomas. I heard a draft guru say he would have no problem with drafting Lamp to see if he could play tackle. If it didn’t work out he’d be a pro bowl guard. In the Hawks case, maybe it pushes Ifedi out, and it strengthens 2 spots. I thought it was an interesting take, especially with it being a poor OT class.
I think Thomas’ arm length listing was a mistake. I’m led to believe he actually has 33 or 34 inch arms. Can’t remember where I saw this but I think Thomas himself confirmed it.
Jessamen Dunker, OG, Tennessee St., a transfer from Florida had himself a very nice combine.
If you are a Seahawk fan. Yesterday was a good day.
I am so confused. How to organize all this info on so many players and then put them in proper context, with who will be available when….and all these weird front offices that take players that don’t belong where they put them, and then all the ones I like who go too early or too late, and I lose sleep, but, why? because the Seahawks will do it right, no matter what a mash I make of it. I am so confused.