Thursday notes: Marshall on Wilson, more Jamal Adams

April 8th, 2021 | Written by Rob Staton

Firstly today, please check out my interview with Paul Gallant from 710 ESPN. It’s a really great hour of Seahawks chat, covering loads of topics:

Brandon Marshall’s latest update

Despite some rather petty, obnoxious criticism of Marshall over the last few weeks, he’s been a valuable source of information on the Russell Wilson ‘saga’.

He was the first one to properly reveal some of Wilson’s concerns. He might not be the absolute best at delivering information but ultimately, any insight is welcome on a somewhat confusing subject. It seems pretty clear that Marshall has the ear of Wilson or someone in his camp.

Therefore his latest update, speaking of an improved relationship between Wilson and Pete Carroll while noting that many, if not all, issues had been resolved should be warmly welcomed.

I have absolutely no doubt at all that Marshall is delivering well sourced information here. This is a serious change of tone to where we were in February.

It does indicate that, at least for now, the issue is dying down.

But I think it does pose a question at the same time.

If everything is on track now, why won’t the Seahawks and/or Wilson not make that absolutely clear? Because with the greatest respect to Brandon Marshall, there’d be a little more gravitas to this if it were the player, team or at least someone like Adam Schefter coming out and delivering the news that all is well.

The Seahawks don’t need to hold a press conference, although a reassuring statement of intent from both parties would be welcome and something the fans deserve after weeks of dysfunction.

Yet I don’t see any benefit to allowing this to linger any further if it doesn’t need to. A quick phone call to Schefter and this could be nipped well and truly in the bud.

They could, of course, go a step further. They could restructure Wilson’s contract to create cap space. You might as well at this point, if it helps bring in Richard Sherman for example, or K.J. Wright. Or both.

Or even better — why not eliminate this debate once and for all so that we’re not back here in 12 months having the same conversation. Deliver a contract extension similar to Patrick Mahomes’. If everything is sorted and fine and if Marshall is right that Wilson will be in Seattle for a long time — why not put it in writing?

That would be the ultimate sign that everyone is finally on the right track.

Simply saying nothing, however, or relying on Marshall’s connection to the Wilson camp to get the message out, only really achieves one thing.

It gives off a bit of a ‘damage limitation’ vibe.

Increasingly it does look very unlikely that Wilson will be dealt this year. But as many have reported, next year has often felt like the point when talks might become real.

Tony Pauline explicitly stated that he’d heard that the Seahawks and Wilson were both ready to move on from each other, with next year being the likely time for a divorce.

Meanwhile Schefter’s continued suggestion that a deal could happen, indicates that not all wounds have healed.

I don’t think it’s unfair to consider that Marshall’s words might be an attempt put the fire out without needing to actually commit to anything. Because the alternative is this becomes a weekly talking point within the NFL when the regular season begins.

Without a firm commitment from both sides there will always be this thought as to whether things are just being delayed. That a trade hasn’t happened not because Wilson and the Seahawks are connected again but simply because the right offer wasn’t there. Essentially, they might be stuck in a somewhat loveless marriage.

It doesn’t benefit the Seahawks or Wilson to just let this ride if there has in fact been a breakthrough.

Plenty of people are quick to point out Seattle doesn’t typically answer to reports in the media. If you’re willing to be really honest about the situation though, this is a bit different.

For the last two months we’ve had people connected to Wilson lambasting Carroll. Claiming he’s too powerful, that his offense is outdated, that he doesn’t listen to the quarterback.

Wilson’s agent went on the record to list four teams he’d be willing to be traded to.

The leading NFL reporter refuses to rule out a trade before the draft.

There have been countless other reports and opinions from people clearly connected to Mark Rodgers, Wilson or the Seahawks.

This isn’t a normal situation. If things are sorted, there’s no reason not to make that abundantly clear to everyone.

The fans deserve to hear it from either the horses mouth or the next best thing. A renewing of vows would be even better.

That way everyone can finally move on, with no danger of this topic re-emerging in nine months time.

Some more numbers on Jamal Adams

We’ve talked a lot about Adams’ fit in the Seahawks defense. I think that’s important.

Elsewhere, the conversation is often limited to three sides of an argument:

1. Jamal Adams is really good, so there

2. They’ll never draft a player as good as Adams!

3. Jamal Adams isn’t worth investing in

It’s a much more nuanced argument than that though.

We need to take into consideration how many players are out of contract in 2022, such as the starting left and right tackle, both cornerbacks, your free safety, your center, your new tight end and other players.

Estimated cap space today will soon evaporate once you start to re-sign and replace players. And with Duane Brown edging towards 40, long term solutions will soon be needed at certain positions.

Not having draft stock prevents you from building a foundation. Having done a poor job in the 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 drafts to build that foundation during a reset, the Seahawks now appear set to punt on the 2021 class.

By not building in the draft, you end up taping together a roster every year.

I don’t think this is sustainable or likely to deliver a Championship.

Jason Fitzgerald from Over the Cap offered this scathing review of Seattle’s approach to team building in a piece for the Athletic this week:

“They have no cap room at all… If you look at the way they had to do their contracts this year, it was basically a whole bunch of void years to fit guys in. It seems like they’re kind of going in a circle with no direction anywhere right now. They seem a little bit lost.”

We also need to consider how viable it is to have so much invested in your linebacker and safety positions. There should also be a serious discussion about whether one player (Adams) is worth more to a team than potentially 4-6 draft picks and two veteran players worth the value of Gabe Jackson.

Personally I don’t think Adams ‘is’ that good. At least not in Seattle. We should ask whether he truly ‘fits’.

Clearly the Seahawks were very aggressive with him. They switched to using bear fronts and they blitzed him 98 times in 2020, at a rate of 8.2 times per game.

That was nearly twice as much as the second highest blitzing safety, Malcolm Jenkins (4.75). Budda Baker was third, blitzing 4.6 times a game.

The Seahawks were actually blitzing Adams more than 10 times per game until the end of the year when they reigned things in. I suspect, more than anything, that was indicative of the opponents they were facing.

This level of blitzing for a safety is unheard of. It’s quite astonishing really.

For example, when Adams played 16 games for blitz-happy Gregg Williams in New York in 2018, he only blitzed 4.3 times a game.

Think about that for a second. Even Gregg Williams, ‘Doctor Blitz’ himself, blitzed Adams only 4.3 times a game.

In 2019, he blitzed him 6.4 times a game. A higher number but still not close to the 8-10 range Seattle used in 2020.

So yes, he broke the sack record last season. Yet there are no examples I could find of a defensive back being used in this way before.

It’s at least plausible to wonder whether this level of aggressiveness is good for Adams. Blitzing twice as much gained a record, sure. But it also saw a massive reduction in his coverage grade (53.1) and overall grade (64.2) per PFF.

On top of this, it’s worth noting how much they blitzed Bobby Wagner to act as a decoy to support Adams.

Wagner was regularly used to attack the A-gap, shifting protection to create favourable opportunities for Adams rushing unblocked from the edge.

Hugh Millen discussed this in further detail after the Rams playoff defeat on KJR:

Look how much Wagner’s blitzing has increased over the years, from 2018 (arguably his best season in Seattle) when Frank Clark and Jarran Reed were creating pressure in the front four, versus 2019 when the pass rush was awful and 2020 when Wagner was being used to support Adams:

2018 — 41
2019 — 71
2020 — 100

Wagner blitzed a remarkable 144% more in 2020 than he did in his best season for the Seahawks when the team was far more capable of rushing with four (still the key to a successful pass rush — just ask Tampa Bay).

Watch the tape. On Adams’ first four sacks and final two sacks, Wagner is lined up in the A-gap. The Seahawks used their $18m a year linebacker for a large chunk of the season as a wingman for Jamal Adams.

It’s perhaps not surprising that Wagner’s best game of the season against the 49ers occurred when Adams wasn’t on the field.

So it’s not unfair to wonder — is this defense a fit for Adams? Are they able to use him in a way that is fully effective? And are you really getting the best out of Wagner by running this type of operation?

Personally I think Adams is far more suited to playing in a 3-4 scheme where you never know where the pressure’s coming from. With Gregg Williams and Todd Bowles, they would show pressure then bring it from somewhere else.

It’s creative, aggressive and the entire defense is set up with blitzing at the core.

In Seattle, that simply isn’t the case. Adams’ blitzes were often very similar. Wagner in the A-gap, Adams coming up to the line. We could see it a mile away watching on TV, so opponents likely saw it too.

It’s predictable.

So the argument now is — are the Seahawks capable, under Pete Carroll and Ken Norton Jr — of coming up with a new approach that is designed purely to accommodate one player? Are they really capable of devising something creative, aggressive and dominating to justify such a commitment?

I’m not convinced.

And if they can’t, how can you justify doubling down on your investment and paying him $18-20m a year?

Some people argue they should wait a year. I think it’s extremely optimistic to think Jamal Adams will go along with playing for $9.8m in 2021 and risk further injury, ridding him the chance of signing a massive extension.

The holdout rules are different in this CBA so pulling a Le’Veon Bell isn’t very likely. Yet more chaos and uncertainty over a player like this, who has already forced his way off one team, is not conducive to a successful season.

It’s always felt like a decision needs to be made this year.

As you all know by now, I think the trade was a mistake. A desperate attempt to add impact and quality right before the 2020 season, having failed to add anyone of note to the defense prior to training camp.

It’s one thing to invest a bunch of picks. It’s another to then pay twice by delivering a huge contract extension.

The Seahawks need to be really honest with themselves as to whether this is the right fit for player and team. Having a big name on a massive contract is only a good thing if you can justify the investment.

They have three weeks. For me, they should strongly consider whether the best thing is to get back in this draft in order to tap into the great options on the offensive line and at receiver. My fear at the moment is they’re trying-out a whole bunch of journeymen O-liners because they suspect they’re not going to be able to tap into the quality available with only three picks.

That would be a crushing blow, especially when players such as Quinn Meinerz — practically the prototype for Seattle in terms of length, size, explosive traits and personality — will go in the top-40 and could provide a much-needed solution at center for years to come.

Davis Mills in round one?

According to Peter Schrager:

“…the buzz around the league is that he could be a first-round pick and will most likely be the sixth quarterback selected.”

I’m guessing I don’t need to mention which website has been talking about Mills and Kellen Mond, another supposed ‘riser’, for a long, long time…

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288 Responses to “Thursday notes: Marshall on Wilson, more Jamal Adams”

  1. Russ says:

    Appreciate the thoughts Rob!

    Quick note – I think the percentage for Bobby’s blitzes should be a 144% increase.

    If you’re using the 41 as the baseline, then the percentage increase should be (100-41)/41 which rounds up to 144%

    Makes that stat even more remarkable.

  2. Austin Slater says:

    They can’t defend paying Wagner and Adams that much money to play them the way they are as you alluded to in the article yet I think that’s exactly what is going to happen. Pete has a loyalty to Wagner that he won’t waver on and I think they’re too prideful to admit the Adams situation isn’t what it was supposed to be. I think this is where having two guys co-run the shop leads to problems. You get stuck in spots were both sides are trying to justify their choices.

    I hope I’m wrong and they get creative with this situation and/or trade someone.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Aside from a busted hand, the week that almost never was could not have gone more perfectly. National squad defensive linemen and linebackers voted him the team’s offensive lineman of the week, with a couple of them telling Nagy that Meinerz was “the strongest guy to ever lay hands on them.”

  3. Bigsteviej says:

    It will be SO disheartening to see so many high quality OL prospects coming off the board in the first two days of this draft with the Seahawks getting only one (late) bite of the apple.

    • cha says:

      I’m concerned that’s the way they are going.

      Signing that journeyman guard and then wrenching Lewis away from RG and slotting him at C would be the most Seahawks thing ever.

      You think we’re witnessing a bitter, loveless marriage now? Just wait.

  4. Mike says:

    Warmack and Isidora getting worked out. May just be camp competition, but could mean we dont draft the interior OL in the draft. Im a hard pass on Isidora.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Yeah, that’s what I mentioned in the article.

      It’s terrifying to think this sudden influx of workouts on the OL is because they’re anticipating not getting an OL in this draft class.

      • Mike says:

        Agreed. Maybe its another hedge and they are aiming for the 4th round? But this year is just not the year to be missing out on picks. We could be building the line of the future this year.

  5. Forrest says:

    A fabulous post, once again. I don’t say enough how much we appreciate your excellent work.
    Thanks so much.

  6. Rob Staton says:

    I’ve now added my interview with Paul Gallant at the top of this article. Please, please check it out! More views mean potentially more opportunities down the line to be invited back on these types of shows.

  7. Ashish says:

    The year they traded Frank Clark hawks claimed he was part of their future plan. But they traded him before draft. I’m counting on it, for Adams. They don’t any other chips (Russ, Bobby)

  8. Sea Mode says:

    Seems relevant after your latest live mock… 😁

    Interview with Western Michigan WR D’Wayne Eskridge
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  9. Sea Mode says:


    👀@RSherman_25’s CB1 in the 2021 Draft?

    ➡️ @jayceehorn_10

    Apparently at some point Tre White also said the same.

  10. Phil says:

    I’m glad that you’ve been getting the opportunity to do some podcast & radio spots on many of my favorite shows.
    I’ve been bugging Salk & others to put you on for a number of years. (Especially leading up to the draft each year.)

    I am hoping that with a real off season they can figure out how to properly use Adams as the true weapon that he can be. I believe that they are likely to play a lot more with 3 or 4 Safeties this season. 4-2-5 will be their top formation, and I expect 3-2-6 will be out there at least as much as the 4-3-4. They have so many versatile & quality safeties – it will be very difficult for passing teams to guess where the holes will be and where the pressure is coming from.
    Think about it: Adams, Blair, Amani, Diggs (all can tackle, cover, and blitz). And even when one of them is hurt, Neal is very good – and Randall isn’t even that bad!
    If Pete & Ken can really get as creative as they indicated they plan to, this defense could be super fun to watch. Rather than being an arm wrestling suffocation, it could be more of home run hitting/ playmaking kind of defense. Picks, TFLs, Fumble recoveries, and big sacks!
    It may not work as tremendously as I can envision in my brain, but there is a great chance that this could be something very special….

    • Rob Staton says:

      I’m glad that you’ve been getting the opportunity to do some podcast & radio spots on many of my favorite shows.

      Honestly, it’s been such a positive to do. I’ve loved every one. I wish I could be invited on to talk about draft too — but the Wilson & Adams sagas have at least created an opportunity.

      It’s been a nice antidote at times to the grief and occasional abuse for daring to write critical articles about the direction of the Seahawks over the last 12 months.

      • Phil says:

        It blows my mind how people can be rude to people they disagree with – especially regarding sports.
        Isn’t this what should make sports conversations fun & energizing?
        If all Seahawks fans just set around and agreed with each other, things would get boring very quickly.

        You learn more and find more to discuss when opposing viewpoints are considered.
        I really enjoyed your conversation with Joe Fann because it was two people with different beliefs about Jamal Adams being respectful toward the opinion of one another.
        This is how I was raised and it is how I strive to raise my children. What has happened to much of the parenting in the Western World? Parents have failed to raise their children to respectfully engage with people with different beliefs and views. …and if we can’t even do this about sports, no wonder we can’t even have conversations about truly serious matters.
        Keep up the good work!

  11. Sea Mode says:

    RE: Davis Mills in R1

    Schrager mocks him to Tampa to learn behind Brady.

    Would certainly be a perfect situation for him, but not sure they wouldn’t rather add another weapon for going all-in with Brady.

    • God of Thunder says:

      5 QBs in R1? 6? 7?

      Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Jones, Lance …

      Mond – Trask – Mills ?

      Or better: Mond – Mills -Trask

  12. SpennyDunks says:

    How many times is a safety generally expected to blitz a game. Is the 4-6% with Greg Williams higher than usual? He was a legit superstar and the DL looked at the very least competent after Dunlap, albeit against a string of weak defenses. I really hope they dont try to reinvent the wheel if they keep him around, he was a bonafide superstar with New York and it doesn’t seem like they need to pigeon hole him into this role when its clearly making both him and Bobby less effective.

    • SpennyDunks says:

      He was a legit superstar while in New York*

    • Rob Staton says:

      The top blitzing safety last season was in the 4.6% range. Adams has been as high as 6%. I couldn’t find anyone higher than that.

    • cha says:

      I’m shouting it from the rooftops: they haven’t made up for losing Jarran Reed yet.

      They’re counting on Hyder, Dunlap and Mayowa to replicate their production and Poona, Collier, and Alton Robinson to improve in order to fill that hole.

      Is that a winning bet? I don’t know. I really don’t.

      • Big Mike says:

        More of a win than the approach we saw to the d-line last offseason but then anything would be more winning than that cluster. You’re concern does seem legit.

      • Gohawks5151 says:

        Geno Atkins still out there. Less of a workload and a healthy offseason could see a nice return. Need some money though

  13. Zezinho says:

    Rob I appreciate you consistently critiquing Seattle’s front office, it’s important

    But you have a severe case of sour grapes dude. You were “scathing” (to use your word) about a front office that despite your predictions of disaster, won the NFC West and delivered a 9th consecutive winning season, the longest in the NFL.

    I don’t personally accept your backhanded one line begrudging acknowledgements of Schneider and Carroll’s extraordinary track record

    Extraordinary doesn’t mean perfect for a few reasons, namely trade-offs and curveballs

    Fact is, you nor I are privy to the ‘Hawks’ strategy/planning horizon and they have no obligation to satisfy your lack of understanding of the same.

    So you try to make educated guesses and again, I do appreciate that you are pointed when things don’t make sense to you.

    But sir, you should lean in more than lean out, the ‘Hawks track record has earned in. Forest for the trees.

    I too worry about only one ring so far. And poor Russell. God forbid he be bunched together with one-ring loser QB’s like Brees and Rodgers.

    I worry about not maximizing perhaps the greatest draft in NFL history — 2012.

    And I’m in the camp that Adams was too expensive in every way

    But I cannot and you cannot deny that among the set of choices, the past 9 years of Schneider Carroll have been nonpareil outside of NE, and for those of us who’ve been fans from the beginning, things are simply not as negative or woe is me as you continue to propose.

    One of these years maybe you will be apparently vindicated when Seattle is 4th in the NFC West with no clear path upward. Will be just luck at this point, you’ve cried wolf too often.

    Thanks for the high standards and for all the insights Rob, I do read you every time I can.

    Just lean in a bit, Schneider and Carroll have earned your trust.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Oh boy, here we go…

      Rob I appreciate you consistently critiquing Seattle’s front office, it’s important

      You could’ve just left it at that. If it’s important to critique decision making, then there’s nothing else to be said.

      But you have a severe case of sour grapes dude. You were “scathing” (to use your word) about a front office that despite your predictions of disaster, won the NFC West and delivered a 9th consecutive winning season, the longest in the NFL.

      If you’re going to lecture me somewhat on my position, you can at least be accurate.

      I was extremely critical of how the Seahawks handled their self-confessed priority of fixing their pass rush last year. That proved to be absolutely accurate. The pass rush was a horrendous mess at the start of the season and the defense on the whole was putting up historically bad numbers.

      All of my concerns were shown to be completely justified.

      You say I predicted disaster. Actually, if you go back and look at my pre-season prediction, I projected a 10-6 regular season. That’s hardly predicting disaster, is it? I also said I thought it would be more of the same — ultimately a winning regular season, followed by an early playoff exit.

      It’s all written down and archived. You can check out what I said.

      I was a couple of wins out on the regular season record but I’m comfortable with my prediction. They had several close games and it wouldn’t have taken much to be 10-6. I also couldn’t anticipate the collapse of the Niners due to injury.

      So again, if you’re going to come on and tell me I have sour grapes and that I was wrong, let’s at least be accurate with what I said.

      I don’t personally accept your backhanded one line begrudging acknowledgements of Schneider and Carroll’s extraordinary track record

      I have been writing Seahawks Draft Blog since 2008. Throughout the vast majority of the Carroll era, I have showered the Seahawks with praise. So much so, I was often criticised on sites such as Reddit and Field Gulls for being too positive. I recall going on the Seahawkers podcast a few years ago, offering a positive assessment of the team, and being criticised by one of the hosts after my spot for my outlook.

      I don’t think the Seahawks have done a good job since 2017. I can point to the failed drafts, the misses in terms of team building, the coaching appointments, the one playoff win in four years, the increased friction between team and quarterback and several other factors.

      I’m well within my rights to criticise what has happened over the last four years and you yourself have acknowledged that it is important to do so.

      But given the articles I’ve written over the last decade — all archived — to claim anything I say is a ‘backhanded compliment’ is frankly ridiculous.

      Fact is, you nor I are privy to the ‘Hawks’ strategy/planning horizon and they have no obligation to satisfy your lack of understanding of the same.

      Ah yes, the classic appeal to authority fallacy. I couldn’t possibly understand their strategy, therefore I have no right to criticise it.

      Yet I thought we’d already established in your opening gambit that critiquing was important?

      So you try to make educated guesses and again, I do appreciate that you are pointed when things don’t make sense to you.

      And now we’re back to appreciating what I do, which in this instance you describe as an educated guess. Actually, I just have opinions. I don’t expect everyone to agree with them but I do think it’s fair to acknowledge that I don’t say things on a whim. Unlike the folk on twitter firing out 220 character opinions every day, I sit down and craft 3-5000 word articles. That takes a lot of thought, consideration and often I start writing one thing and by the end of the article I’ve written something else. That’s what happens when you write long form.

      Everything I say is backed up. I don’t offer flimsy arguments, even if people don’t agree with the conclusion.

      But sir, you should lean in more than lean out, the ‘Hawks track record has earned in. Forest for the trees.

      “It’s important you critique, thank you”

      But also…

      “You need to stop critiquing because they built a Championship roster and therefore that means they deserve blind faith for the rest of their time in Seattle”

      I too worry about only one ring so far. And poor Russell. God forbid he be bunched together with one-ring loser QB’s like Brees and Rodgers.

      I worry about not maximizing perhaps the greatest draft in NFL history — 2012.

      And I’m in the camp that Adams was too expensive in every way

      But I cannot and you cannot deny that among the set of choices, the past 9 years of Schneider Carroll have been nonpareil outside of NE, and for those of us who’ve been fans from the beginning, things are simply not as negative or woe is me as you continue to propose.

      So here we have the appeal to authority fallacy combined with the ‘I remember the bad old days’ fallacy. Two for the price of one.

      It’s perfectly fair and right to criticise the Seahawks for what has been achieved, or rather not achieved, in the last four years.

      The fact the Seahawks used to be really crap decades ago or that this team has won a lot of regular season games in nine years is not even remotely an adequate counter to some of the important concerns raised.

      And you yourself have admitted it is important to critique the Seahawks.

      One of these years maybe you will be apparently vindicated when Seattle is 4th in the NFC West with no clear path upward. Will be just luck at this point, you’ve cried wolf too often.

      Well it was only a matter of time before the undermining began.

      Ten out of ten for creativity though. Dismissing my concerns as me pining for a fourth-placed finish ‘to be proven right’, while simultaneously attempting to pre-empt a non-existent victory lap by insisting I’ve ‘cried wolf too many times’.

      That’s special.

      Thanks for the high standards and for all the insights Rob, I do read you every time I can.

      Thank you for your brilliant work, which is important and of the highest standards. Also, stop now because you have no right to say anything you’ve said.

      Just lean in a bit, Schneider and Carroll have earned your trust.

      Why do I feel like I’m going to get a knock on the door in the middle of the night — and an officer will take me away for speaking ill of the supreme leader(s)?

      This, dear community of Seahawks Draft Blog, is an insight into the life of someone who challenges the Seahawks.

    • Big Mike says:

      Zezinho: I sincerely hope you come in here and admit you were incorrect IF Wilson is traded because IF that happens this is a 6-11, 7-010 kind of team. Russell Wilson is propping up Pete Carroll and as for John Schneider, he has far too little clout in this front office to include in a critique outside of possibly being at least partially responsible for the mostly abysmal drafting of the last several years.

      • Rob Staton says:

        I don’t even want him to do that.

        I don’t care about crow. Nothing on this site is about being ‘proven right’ — even if other people try and pigeon hole it as that.

        It’s simply about analysing this team. The good, the bad, the ugly.

        People like Zezinho ignore the one hour podcast special we did, hailing the Shane Waldron appointment, or the article calling the Carlos Dunlap trade an “A+”. Or the praise for the Damien Lewis pick. Or the interviews we do with people like Jim Nagy and Scot McCloughan and a whole host of players, personalities, GM’s.

        If you’re criticising the team, you’re against us. You must be undermined and abused. We must dismiss your arguments so that people treat them with disdain and we can try to knock your credibility.

        Then if that happens, we won’t have to address any of the points raised.

        It’s classic internet discourse, 2021.

        And it’s f***** s**t.

        • Big Mike says:

          “Ah yes, the classic appeal to authority fallacy. I couldn’t possibly understand their strategy, therefore I have no right to criticise it.”

          Yeah you didn’t spend any time at all shouting from the rooftops that their approach to the pass rush terrible last offseason so yeah I guess you didn’t understand their strategy…….oh wait, maybe he’s right cuz you know, they would’ve had to actually have a strategy for any of us to understand it (outside of waiting for Clowney to ask them to dance like a wallflower girl at the jr. high sock hop).

          It’s fine if you don’t feel the need for being proven right but as you said, this internet “discourse” in 2021 and the less that happens, the more the (lack of) discourse continues. It’s not a matter of nyah nyah nyah, I was right, it’s more a matter of “open your eyes and smell the damned coffee”. That coffee btw is ONE playoff win in 4 years against a backup QB and having a generational QB at the helm (as has been mentioned by yourself and many of the rest of us).

        • Mike says:

          I think the abbreviated version is that this blog “seeks to provide in depth analysis, not the “ra ra ra” excitement many other sports media sources provide”.

          There’s really nothing wrong with either. Lots of people just want to be excited and hopeful. They want sports to be simple, and that’s not a bad way to be involved with the team/sport. It is entertainment after all. I watch plenty of sports where I don’t even keep track of who the players on the team are, much less their team building strategy. Good news, is there is a boatload of sports news that caters to this style. They give their half-baked hot takes, and that’s it.

          This blog is for analysis, strategy, and more “heady” topics. Its long form, written, and to the extent possible backed up by data. Its frankly harder to find content like that. Its also how I like to watch football. I’m not looking for you to change this one bit, unless you want to do live film study/analysis videos. Id love to see how you break down film.

          I think in the last few years you’ve had to progressively defend what you’re doing more and more. It certainly ruffles pure entertainer’s feathers. Its great when you have compelling data that says we are going to win the superbowl when entertainment media says the team wont. Its bad when the media predicts we will do better than your take. The reality is that your “negative” take is one that I appreciate. If I perpetually want to live in the “glass is half full” mindset, i can go elsewhere.

          What matters to me is that i can read and learn. This blog really does educate. I can also throw out ideas and theories of my own. You often refute them, but that’s sort of the point. To vet things with someone that has really thought through this team on a deep level.

          Anyways Rob, let people disagree and say what they will. I think your work and this community stands for itself as evidence you don’t need to change it.

          • TomLPDX says:

            Nice post, Mike. I would use the word “critical analysis” vs. “negative” but your point is correct. I come here to learn and get different perspectives and this community, lead by Rob and his critical analysis is why I’ve continued to come back for so long.

            • Mike says:

              Thanks Tom. It may not have been clear, but I was being facetious by calling Rob’s take “negative”, as that is what he is often labelled when providing critical analysis.

            • pdway says:

              Same here, and agreed – it’s a good way of putting it.

              Fairly often, i’m not in agreement w everything this blog has to say – but, all this energy/thought/analysis being put out into the world about something I love to follow and discuss . . .it’s awesome it exists.

          • Big Mike says:

            Well said Mike and to those folks that want to be more rah rah I say that’s awesome but please don’t be critical of people with other viewpoints. Argue against them if you wish but have something besides the appeal to authority argument as Rob put it.

          • Brik says:

            I think Mike has a good idea with breaking down film. It would be interesting seeing you do things kind of like ESPN. You talk about players, but what about adding a video where you’re actually pointing things out? Take Kellen Mond, take some highlights and tell why you think he’s as good as he is in the video. I’m not sure if you have the technology to do it, but maybe someone would help. Just a thought, might be cool.

    • KennyBadger says:

      There’s no one on here that wants the Seahawks to lose other than trolls. The articles on here are rooted in analysis which means criticism is a part of the deal. Contradicting yourself and longing for the old days might get you elected though…

  14. cha says:

    Look how much Wagner’s blitzing has increased over the years, from 2018 (arguably his best season in Seattle) when Frank Clark and Jarran Reed were creating pressure in the front four, versus 2019 when the pass rush was awful and 2020 when Wagner was being used to support Adams:

    2018 — 41
    2019 — 71
    2020 — 100

    I truly wish this was comprehended better by the fanbase in general. It’s a cascading symptom of not having paid any attention to the DL.

    I’ve been on this rag for a couple years now. We talk so much about your superstar QB needing OL support.

    But there’s very, very little if any talk about our superstar MLB needing DL support.

    There is this strange disconnect between Bobby Wagner is having to do things he’s never done before and the fans crying that ‘Bobby Wagner has lost a step and isn’t as good as he used to be.’

    Blitzing 8.7% of your snaps as opposed to 4.4% in 2018 is a big, big change.

    He’s giving up his sightlines and ability to get into lanes and anticipate the runners & QB’s reactions to things far more than he has before.

    I’m not saying 2020 BW was as fast or as good as 2018 BW was. He may indeed have peaked.

    But DL support rarely seems to be part of the discussion when it comes to considering Wagner’s play, and it is absolutely a factor.

  15. GoHawksDani says:

    If Marshall knows this info from RW’s camp isn’t it possible that RW+PCJS didn’t come forwards because while Wilson hopes everything is fixed or heading towards the right direction, PCJS is still in a wait-and-see position?
    I think if someone would present a good deal (like 2021 R1 before #20 and two more R1s, a solid/OK QB, maybe another good player and one or two R2s or something similar) and Russ would be OK with it, they would be ready to move on. I think Pete might be in a similar position as he was with Sherm and Bennett, but it’s easier to get rid of a CB or DE than the franchise QB.
    For that reason, and because it’s unlikely a good deal where Russ would also say the amen will surface, I think RW will stay, and the season will be OK for some time, but if something go wrong, the drama will return. And with this team it’s likely something will go wrong. And if the drama returns I think it’s everyone’s interest that Russ is traded.
    This might be a “lets try one last time if it’s working” attempt on both sides. And that’s why there’s no restructure or extension for RW. It’s OK to trade him next year. If he’d get a restructure/extension it’d be likely harder and with more dead money.

    Everything can happen at this point…but I doubt this team will be SB-ready in the next 2-3 years. So for Wilson to be traded to an up-and-coming team would be beneficial. I don’t think Wilson will be good from 4-5 years from now. His trade value is likely the highest now. So if the team cannot reach SB with this roster the team’s best interest to go over this period as quickly as possible…for that they’ll need money and picks. So by trading Wilson they would exchange 2-3 years of alright seasons to 2-3 years of potentially pretty bad seasons but after that if they shuffle their cards right they might be able to get back to the SB hunt. The scary part is that they need to really hit jackpot on everything for this to happen, but if they have an awesome roster with good coaches and an average QB they can reach SB (we’ve seen it a couple of times).

    The other scary part that if we eliminate the ageing players, who are the core players for this team? The ones who you want to keep and can elevate the rest of the guys?
    Maybe Lewis, DK, Lockett, and a really big MAYBE for Brooks…nobody else pops into my mind (and even Lockett might be a bit on the older side). Rest of the guys are either mediocre, bad or won’t likely be in the NFL (or their play will decrease) 3-4 years from now. We can say that we could draft young guys to fill in, but we’re not the Dolphins or the Jets. The Hawks don’t have multiple high first round picks in any of the upcoming years. They don’t even have a 1st round pick this or the next year. With Russ this team will have a really hard time to keep up in the next couple of years. Without Russ it’s a huge gamble. If they can get great guys from the picks and money they “received” they will float. If they couldn’t get a decent/OK/good QB and wouldn’t make great choices in FA or the draft this franchise can sink for who knows how many years…
    Feels a bit lose-lose situation, but I’d still go with the trade Russ, because who knows…they might get lucky like they did around the ’11-12-13 years. But with RW, I doubt they’ll have enough resources to build a competitive team around him

    • Rob Staton says:

      If Marshall knows this info from RW’s camp isn’t it possible that RW+PCJS didn’t come forwards because while Wilson hopes everything is fixed or heading towards the right direction, PCJS is still in a wait-and-see position?

      I think that’s a fair suggestion, yes.

      • 12th chuck says:

        I haven’t seen anyone mention is, Russ could be content for now because he didn’t like the market price the hawks were receiving for him, and he is trying to protect his image

      • pdway says:

        do you think there’s any chance at all that PC/JS have not done the extension or re-structure because they have a hint of concern that RW’s diminished play in the 2nd half of last season was not just a result of playcalling and/or other factors – and is potentially the beginning of an actual decline? And maybe, they want to see if he is back to his normal excellent self in ’21 before they lock him up at a high cost into his late 30’s?

        I’m not saying it’s likely, but it’s crossed my mind.

        • Rob Staton says:


          I think they haven’t done it to keep their options open for a trade either this year or next.

          • Roy Batty says:

            When your franchise QB utilizes a promo campaign on charitable works to complain about his situation in the national media, it is prudent to keep your options open. I would also say that Wilson looked more like a panicking, at times dejected QB. His constantly attempting to force-feed DK the ball was became infuriating. Ignoring quick, open routes for the top ten ESPN play of the week was getting a bit tedious.

          • Jeffers says:

            Well they were never going to extend him. Restructuring for cap space, sure, but they would never add legit years because in the entire time they have been here they have literally never extended someone with more than 2 years on their contract. When Kam literally held out because they wouldn’t budge on this they came out saying how incredibly important it is to remain absolutely consistent because if they make an exception it takes away a ton of their credibility and negotiating power going forwards.

            • Rob Staton says:

              None of this matters

              They never traded two future firsts and a third until they did

              Signing Wilson to a contract like Mahomes to eliminate any future drama would not set any precedent. Come on.

              • Jeffers says:

                “None of this matters”

                That’s such a weird false equivalency to bring up that does absolutely nothing to help your point. Just because the Seahawks gave up more for Jamal Adams than Percy Harvin, it’s not like the trade for Harvin, or Graham, hadn’t already shown they are willing to make bold trades. Even if you had used a good example of them breaking from trend, that doesn’t mean we should all of a sudden ignore all trends.

                But this isn’t even just a trend. Kam Chancellor, one of their favorite players they have ever had, held out for two games and had to give up on said holdout because they have drawn a very specific line in the sand about when they will negotiate contracts. If you read articles from that time frame they make it sound like sticking to that rule is almost a matter of integrity for them.

                To go back on that rule to save face publicly with Russell Wilson would basically be spitting in Kam’s face. It would prove people Like Sherman right. The salary cap going down this year has certainly lead them to do other they wouldn’t do, like use void years, and I think bringing that up would have helped your point better, but it still seems very unlikely to me that they break this specific rule of theirs, especially after the whole Kam thing.

                • Rob Staton says:

                  You can’t compare eliminating the drama of Russell Wilson’s future with the Kam Chancellor holdout.

                  That’s the point.

                  I mean honestly, think about that for a second. Are you honestly saying the Seahawks ‘can’t’ end the Wilson saga once and for all, ensuring he finishes his career in Seattle, purely because a player who retired years ago might find it interesting?

                  Or that any member of the current team wouldn’t just go — ‘fair enough, he signed a Mahomes deal’.

                  Come on.

                  ‘None of this matters’ was used because none of it matters. Committing Wilson to Seattle forever is a unique event, in terms of importance, significance and value. You’re comparing it to random holdouts that were never going to go anywhere.

  16. JJ says:


    Was their any rumors about Clark being traded prior to the trade actually happening?

  17. clbradley17 says:

    Great content Rob! Also saw an article from Brady Henderson where they talk about us using the “credit card” – Seattle Seahawks utilize creative accounting to bolster roster despite cap crunch.

    One section about RW caught my eye: “Another restructure of Wilson’s contract would be one more way to free up money, but the negative cap ramifications of another salary-to-signing-bonus conversion would likely be a big deterrent. That would add even more dead money to the massive amount the Seahawks would already have to eat if they traded Wilson. It would also increase Wilson’s cap number in the final year of his deal and thereby potentially make him more expensive for Seattle to tag or extend.”

  18. Hoggs41 says:

    Im willing to bet the Seahawks and Adams have had talks and if Adams is asking for $18+ he isnt going to get it. Schneider has always set limits and doesnt go past them. If Adams wants to sit out then let him. That being said I agree and hope they do trade him for stock.

    • pdway says:

      It may well happen – but if Adams makes a giant stink all season (i.e. if he doesn’t get the extension), it’s a bad look for him to have trashed two franchises back-to-back, esp if the Hawks have at least a winning record again. Potentially tarnishes his value a bit.

      • Big Mike says:

        Very fair point

      • cha says:

        If you want another bit of spilled milk…Adams trashed the Jets ownership, the GM and the coach in different ways and at different times.

        How were the Seahawks not able to work their ‘get a disgruntled star player for peanuts’ magic is another strike against them.

        • bmseattle says:

          The deal should have been in the buyer’s favor, not the seller’s.

          It’s telling when absolutely everyone… even those who love Adams and want to keep him… admit it was a massive overpay.

  19. Happy Hawk says:

    Another great article. My first stop every morning and am never disappointed. Thanks Rob!

  20. Magmatizer says:

    WR Anthony Miller from the Bears is reportedly on the trade block. He’s in the final year of his rookie contract, so not sure what the market will be since his new team will likely be expected to sign him to an extension. Nice athletic profile, but has thus far had an inconsistent career.

    • cha says:

      Throwing a punch and getting ejected in a playoff game I assume is the reason he’s on the trading block.

      Very concerning.

    • KennyBadger says:

      Never felt like the bears could figure out his role, but then Mooney came along and made it seem like it wasn’t about scheme anymore.

  21. Mick says:

    Nice talk with Gallant, the ending with the comment on virtual lives got me thinking.

    I’m now trying to accept that Adams will likely stay and we’ll go down from 56 for extra picks. I wish we manage a deal of the kind 56 plus a low pick next year for a 70ish and an 80ish this draft, because we could get some quality guys there.

    • bmseattle says:

      Just pouting here, but what a massive downer that we don’t have this draft to look forward to.
      For me, it’s the most exciting part of the teambuilding process, and just plain fun to watch.

      It’s such a huge let down to only have 3 (2 really) picks, and to realize they likely won’t be drafting until then end of round 2, at best.

      • Big Mike says:

        I’ll double down on your pout. I am nowhere near as into study of the guys coming out as Rob and plenty of other folks here, but there’s always the excitement when the Hawks are due up. Not gonna be much of that this year and it’ll be even more of a downer knowing the first pick they have is likely to be moved anyway.

  22. cha says:

    Brady Henderson
    Per source, DT Al Woods’ one-year deal with the Seahawks is worth $2.5M with $750K guaranteed. There’s a $750K signing bonus, a $1.25M base salary and $500K in per-game roster bonuses. No void years.
    10:58 AM · Apr 8, 2021

  23. Producehawk says:

    If you want a depressing draft exercise. Go to PFN. Select the Jags. Take the trade offered with the Jets. Select Zack Wilson at 2. Then have fun the rest of the seven rounds. Sheesh. It might pay to tank.

    • Denver Hawker says:

      Looking at the Roster today, it’s not bad and there is okay depth. Assuming they work something out with KJ, the biggest holes are DT, C, CB, and WR3. There are some decent vets available at these positions that will likely be there after the draft.

      Ideally, I’d like to see a good DT drop to the R2 pick, if not trade back and stock depth/competition at these positions.

  24. MorePicks says:

    Just did a simulated draft at PFN. What about this unrealistic haul of a draft?

    72. Quinn Meinerz
    OC Wisconsin-Whitewater

    101. Ben Cleveland
    OG Georgia

    129. Dayo Odeyingbo
    EDGE Vanderbilt

    250. Darren Hall
    CB San Diego State

  25. Henry Taylor says:

    Rondale Moore is my favourite player in this draft. I know he’s not a typical Seahawks receiver but I can only hope Waldron is banging the table behind the scenes for a RAC/fly sweep specialist for his offence and Pete sees some of the explosive qualities that made them give up what they did for Percy Harvin. He’s just so much fun to watch, the most explosive runner I’ve seen in college football since Saquon Barkley, I don’t care that he’s 5’7, frankly I’m kind of happy because there’s no way he’d be available to us if he was 5’9.

    Sit back, relax, and enjoy the show:

    • Gohawks5151 says:

      I love him too. Part of me thinks he gets a bad rap being called gadget guy. It’s not just bubbles and slants. He does some nice work up the seam, has some nice post routes, some nice spot routes. That’s already more routes than people thought DK could run. For me its more about the injuries. As much as he is like Percy athletically, so is he with the soft tissue injury stuff. I’d hate to be living for the 8 games a year in which we would provide a spark. We already do that with Carson! That’s why I’m leaning to Eskridge who ticks many of the same boxes.

  26. BobbyK says:

    My worst fear is that the Seahawks are no longer going to take an OL (or RB) with their pick at #56. Instead, they’re going to go DT so they can have a replacement for Reed. So, basically, they can take their only valuable draft pick on waste it on a position that was already set – so now they can actually make the position worse by using their only valuable draft pick on it. That sounds about like the Seahawks these days, right?

    • Producehawk says:

      I hope they don’t keep the pick unless someone of great value slips. They need more picks and it is the only thing they have worth trading.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I don’t think there’s any danger of them going DT

      Like it or not they signed Al Woods to replace Reed

      I think they see the D-line as sorted

    • Jordan says:

      I’m thinking interior oline, OT, or WR3 with their first pick in the draft, wherever it ends up being.

  27. Ben says:

    Been thinking how much it’d be nice to add Kerrigan/Houston/Clowney type. However, I think our d-line is full unless moves are made. We’re at 11, seems like without Reed we would need to carry 4 DT’s unless Rasheem/Collier end up playing inside a lot more.

    I don’t think we’ve carried more than 8-9 pure d-lineman most years, usually we have a strongside LB who can put their hand down. Honestly disappointing to see so much veteran d-line talent available at a discount and we are unlikely to dip into it again.

    LEO/5 Tech
    Carlos Dunlap
    Benson Mayowa
    Alton Robinson
    Darrell Taylor (PUP?)

    Poona Ford
    Al Woods
    Bryan Mone
    Cedrick Lattimore

    Kerry Hyder Jr.
    L.J. Collier Q
    Rasheem Green

    We have some pretty good depth honestly. Other than Poona and Alton though I’m not sure there is any long term pieces.

  28. Brik says:

    Heyyy Gallant has a ‘Cuse hat on. That’s near where I grew up in Upstate NY. Syracuse did alright in the NCAA Tournament, been awhile since they were really contenders though. Now I’m rooting for Gonzaga since they’re in my current city. Don’t want to talk about the championship game…

    • Jordan says:

      Yeah that game felt like men vs boys. Had the feel like in Washington HS basketball when the teams from the east side of the state face competition from the city/metro conference

      • Big Mike says:

        Gonzaga Prep’s back to back state championships says you’re being a west of the cascades elitist.

        • IHeartTacoma says:

          The Hull sisters would agree

        • king. says:

          Good thing a prep school is standing up against those elitist public schools.

          I’ll admit complete ignorance to the situation in Washington, but this situation plays itself out all over the country. The big city schools draw from a much bigger talent pool and dominate the top levels of state competition, which isn’t elitist as much as it is simple mathematics. The Seattle/Tacoma metro area has more people in it than the rest of the state combined.

          The communities out in the sticks can’t compete, except for the prep schools, which are kind of symbolic of true social elitism and have the luxury of being able to recruit.

          And where do they get most of their talent from? The exact same districts they are trying to compete with in the athletic arena.

      • Brik says:

        They won over 30 games in a row to get to the championship game. Sometimes you just have your worst game at the worst time. It’s not like any teams from the west side made it to the NCAA championship game.

    • HawkfaninMT says:

      I have lived in Spokane for 3.5 years Brik and just can’t get behind Gonzaga like I do Sounders and Hawks. I think it because it’s impossible to ever get to a game to see them. They need a legit arena. I think I may go to Vega next year to watch them play Duke… that’s how hard it is to get to see a game!

      • Brik says:

        Hey HawkfaninMT, you’ve been here just a few months longer than I have. I haven’t really jumped on the bandwagon yet, but I do root for them when I don’t have another team. Would have to say the UW Huskies and Syracuse Orange come before them. Haven’t tried to get tickets yet, but maybe I can figure something out.

  29. Trevor says:

    Rob great work once again.

    Really think Marshall is basically a spokesperson for Russ and they are in damage control mode now. I really think Russ and Rodgers fully believed that when they put those 4 teams out there (Bear, Raiders, Saints and Cowboys) that all of those teams would jump at the chance to get him and make significant offers. The reality was that even the Bears who are a desperate as a front office in recent memory to get a QB offered very little.

    Russ probably said, I want control of the offence and say on personnel or trade me to one of these 4 teams and then when the offers never came PC/JS turned around and said Russ sorry we tried but no only one of your 4 teams even offered anything. Certainly had to be a bit of a reality check and blow to Russ ego I am sure. Now he likely realizes he is not going anywhere this year and needs to try and make things right in that locker room.

    Truly believe if the Hawks had gotten a good offer that Russ would have been traded.

    • 12th chuck says:

      If multiple teams were making serious offers, I don’t think Russ or the Seahawks would have so “content”

  30. Rob Staton says:

    Quick reminder (sorry to pester) — please watch the video at the top of the article

  31. Hawks_Gui says:

    250lbs + 38.5″ Vertical

    DE Elerson Smith 6’6 252 41.5″
    OLB Joseph Ossai 6’4 256 41.5″
    DE Jayson Oweh 6’5 257 39.5″
    DL Milton Williams 6’3 284 38.5″

    Elerson Smith needs more buzz! Some teams are asking about playing TE – which he was an All-State TE at Minneapolis South HS

    We already know who PC is gonna spend next years pick on to make a position change. Last year was TE to DE, now it’s the other way around

  32. Denver Hawker says:

    Rob- don’t freak, hear me out..

    What if the Hawks pick an athletic LB with their R2, like Ossai?

    Is it reasonable to believe they are modifying the defense to fit the current pieces? Bring more speed from the second level rather than up the middle with a pass rushing 3T?

    I know the Bucs had a solid front 4, but watching those linebackers dominate the playoffs was kind of fun to see.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think he’s better suited to 3-4 OLB.

      I don’t see it personally.

      • Denver Hawker says:

        I’m just looking at the current roster construction and wondering if the scheme could change. Although highly unlikely, I can’t rule it out.

        I think there will be some good OLB options where they pick.

    • Chase says:

      Part of the domination by the linebackers was a result of the domination of the front four. I’d bet money wagz would still look like a top 3 LB in the league if he has that DL in front of him.

    • WallaSean says:

      I think is possible, they always covet those Bruce Irvin types. Without KJ in the mix they might feel like they want someone for 1st downs at LB that can play some DE as well. I suspect that is/was the plan for Taylor sharing time with Irvin.

  33. TomLPDX says:

    Finally got a chance to listen. Several immediate items…

    Pete Carroll is NOT Ned Stark. I read the books long before the stupid HBO series. Ned was THE MAN! ’nuff said. Ned was who he was and who he said he was. You believed in Ned.

    Paul’s eyes glazed over time and time again when Rob started talking about individual players in the draft. He was lost. Had no idea what he was talking about.

    I could go on but I won’t. Rob, start a serious podcast about the seahawks, beyond SDB. You blow everyone else away.

  34. Blitzy the Clown says:

    With respect to the discussion early on about Schefter and why would he continue to give legs to the Wilson saga if there wasn’t any possibility of a trade at this point…

    Unless and until one of Wilson, Carrol or Schneider make a direct statement to the contrary (the most definitive of which would be a contract extension), it has to be considered a possibility. Even more so considering how much water has already flowed under the bridge.

    And to me, Pete Carroll is a lot more Robert Baratheon than Ned Stark.

  35. Justaguy says:

    I could never agree with this more

  36. DW says:

    Seahawks YouTube channel just uploaded Darrell Taylor high school highlights (?) in case you’re interested in that sort of thing I guess?

  37. God of Thunder says:

    “ Meanwhile Schefter’s continued suggestion that a deal could happen, indicates that not all wounds have healed.”

    Looked at Schefter’s Twitter for the last 3 days: 5th thru 8th. Didn’t see anything relevant to RW and the Seahawks. Enjoyed the Mina Kimes trolling humour tho’!

  38. Brik says:

    I’m confused, are you suggesting that Schefter isn’t saying anything about RW because he hasn’t posted it on Twitter? He went on a show recently and commented on it, he doesn’t always tweet every single thought. He also doesn’t constantly say the same thing over and over again. Saying it is “continued” doesn’t mean that that it is constant. It means that he has stood by the comment where he believes it’s something to watch still. He said that it is something to watch, and he hasn’t said that it is no longer a story. I’m so sad for this world…

    • Brik says:

      Damn I meant to reply to the comment above

    • God of Thunder says:

      I’m not saying that at all, don’t get your knickers in a twist. As it happens I agree. I just thought I’d missed a Twitter discussion.

      You can go back to not feeling sad for this world.

      • Brik says:

        Nope still sad. You’re one of those people who found out they were wrong and is trying to save face by making it look like everyone else didn’t understand.

    • Rob Staton says:

      With respect I doubt Kyle Shanahan gave Sherman a draft update on the way out

    • Sea Mode says:

      Look, Sherm can have his opinion and he may well be right, the RGIII point is interesting, but I stopped reading when the author attributes the knocks on Fields to racism. Really? Come on…

      During the pre-draft process, Fields has been labeled as a “slow processor” and had his work ethic questioned, two racist tropes that Black quarterbacks have faced for decades.

  39. Rob Staton says:

    In the last 48 hours I’ve come to learn there are some very, very strange people who follow the Seahawks and have an unhealthy obsession with this website and will go to great lengths to undermine it.

    • Noah says:

      I don’t know why they’d try to undermine it, this is where the best Seahawks content on the internet is if you ask me, and I’m sure there’s many others that agree. Some weird individuals knocking around

    • Sea Mode says:


    • SpennyDunks says:

      I mean its the internet – theres strange people everywhere beyond just Seahawks fans. The rest of us love your thorough research and how far ahead on everything you are. This site has exploded since we were discussing Courtney Upshaw and trying to diffuse the buzz on drafting Mark Barron back in 2012 so naturally there will be a mix of people that wander over here.

    • Belfasthawk says:

      What happened? Are you ok Rob?

      • Rob Staton says:

        I’m fine.

        Just constantly amazed how bent out of shape people get because over the last 12 months, questions are (rightly) asked of the team on this website

        • Belfasthawk says:

          Glad you’re ok.

          • Rob Staton says:

            It doesn’t effect me personally

            It’s just the enthusiasm tank is running low. I long ago reached a point where I think… why am I doing this? This is a hobby. There isn’t another website out there, churning out this much content, that is done purely for the love of it.

            • Gohawks5151 says:

              Its a damn shame man. Hopefully you won’t let others destroy something you loved doing. Sad its come to that. I will say its great to see you on all these Seahawk media outlets! Hopefully you are having fun with that.

            • mantis says:

              Rob, Don’t give up because then it will get even worse and it substantiates what they are trying to do

            • God of Thunder says:

              Hang in there, think of yourself and the pleasure you provide to your readers and listeners. Don’t let a few haters get you down.

    • BruceN says:

      ” there are some very, very strange people who follow the Seahawks”

      It took you this long to realize this! This pandemic has brought out many strange people.

      “have an unhealthy obsession with this website and will go to great lengths to undermine it”

      If you’re referring to the earlier long post, I didn’t take it as undermining. Just a different opinion that I agreed with some and mostly I did not. It’s good to hear all perspectives. Some make sense, some don’t. Honestly, it’s not as interesting to read everyone repeating what you are saying. I like to read a constructive dialogue with varying perspectives as long as it is presented with supporting data, doesn’t get personal or mean spirited.

      • JimQ says:

        For several years I used to follow and occasionally post on They have a whole huge bunch of basement dwelling teenagers that post negative comments on any and every topic, it must be a game for them, “lets see how much we can piss off posters because we know everything and they know nothing”. I unsubscribed over a year ago and haven’t been back since. These “kids” are not Seahawks fans but fans of pissing people off so they can laugh and feel superior. Maybe their mama never gave them enough hugs. I don’t do Seahawks twitter, but from what I’ve heard, they may be even worse. Life is too short for that kind of crap and serious dialog is much more important than nonsense.

        Serious dialog among (a majority of) civil fans is difficult to find online. Seahawks draft blog is the ONLY place to get solid opinions that aren’t always the most popular, but are based on solid logic and I also especially appreciate that attacking posters isn’t allowed. Rob, your blog is the absolute best Seahawk site by far, if it wasn’t available, I’d be totally lost without all of your insights and ideas, keep your head up and tune out the naysayers ’cause their just messing with you for the “fun” of it.

        • BruceN says:

          Thanks for the tip. Glad to hear I haven’t missed much!

          I agree about the quality of SDB. Rob is awesome and prolific with his quality content. And the dialogue is very good. With one oddity, that I find myself defending this FO at times when I have serious reservations about how they’ve done things in the last few years. Mostly as the reaction to them being called losers and fools! I’m sure everyone is tired of me talking about the local media in NorCal. But here they don’t talk about the Rams or Cardinals. But in spite of all of our warts they do talk about the HAWKS non-stop as a measuring stick (and also because they hate us!).

      • Rob Staton says:

        If you’re referring to the earlier long post

        I am not, no

  40. Rob Staton says:

    This wouldn’t surprise me at all. Dallas moving up to #4 for Pitts.

    And contrary to a lot of views elsewhere, I think there’s a good chance Trey Lance will be there at #10 if the Falcons really do like him.

  41. STTBM says:

    Apologies if this has already been discussed:

    My take is the Marshall comments are an attempt by Wilson to put the toothpaste back in the tube. He went nearly nuclear, Carrols didn’t bend much, and of his four stream teams to be traded to, only one showed public interest, and the Saints openly mocked him for his behavior. I still think Gruden covets him, but he’s waiting for the price to go down….

    Regardless, Carrols has won. It’s his way, or go to a team you don’t like for Wilson. Not much of a choice.

    This to me is Wilson trying to make nice–for now. He really has no other option. And Seattle’s silence speaks volumes: I think they hold him random through this year, and try to get a fair haul next year.

    What a mess.

    Bad drafts, poor free agency, pathetic trades…it’s been nearly a decade of mediocrity by JS and PC. Nothing to do but keep watching the circling of the drain…

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think you’ve pretty much nailed it.

      • BruceN says:

        “it’s been nearly a decade of mediocrity by JS and PC.”

        I think the Jets fans and about 2/3 of the league would beg to differ when they look at their beloved teams over the past decade. But I know I am the anomaly on this. We’ve messed up plenty and missed many opportunities. Long enough to write a book. But poster child of mediocrity, we are not. SMHO.

        • pdway says:

          we’re treading water, but we’re not mediocre. it’s still been a very good run.

          as for Russell – he did get a new OC who looks promising and from the 21st century, that’s not nothing. and we locked up two important pieces (Lockett and Carson) in his toolkit, and added a better athlete at TE. While we didn’t do enough to improve the O-line, if Shell is back to pre-injury levels, and Jackson is decent – it’s not in a terrible place. And maybe we’re not done adding to it.

          And not to be that guy, but … he does still have his $35MM salary, and his endorsements, and a pretty good lot in life, all things considered….

          • BruceN says:

            I agree about threading water. That has been a key issue for me. In the beginning of their regime you could see a short term and a long term plan and they stuck with it. They drafted well and built a sustainable roster (it also helped that they hit the jackpot with their first few drafts). In the last few years, they have missed on their drafts and have had to band aid things. And they seem more reactionary than forward thinking.

            I am more optimistic than most about our today’s roster (longer term I agree there will be problems/unknowns). I agree with you about heading to the season with a measurably better OL and DL than the last couple of years. Our offense has play makers (addition of Everett which I was hoping we sign before FA started) and I am hoping Waldron will be a difference maker. I would put a floor of 9-7 with a potential of 11-5 or 12-4 if things brake our way. Not a depressing place to be.

        • Rob Staton says:

          Ok that line isn’t fair. But a malaise has set in recently, IMO, where the Seahawks have settled into a ‘good not great’ (thanks to the quarterback) situation and they don’t know how to become great again.

          • Tomas says:

            The Cowboys would never have had the hugely successful Jimmy Johnson years if they had kept on the legendary Tom Landry, who wished to continue as HC when fired in 1988 at age 64. At one point, he had 20 consecutive winning seasons. Virtually never did Landry commit the sort of confounding game management blunders that periodically plague the Seahawks … usually at key moments … under Carroll. The omelette won’t happen without breaking some eggs, and Pete needs to go before the Seahawks can regain greatness. Should the Seahawks have a revitalized team in 2021 I’ll gladly shut up on this point

            • jeffers says:

              This is ridiculous. The Cowboys went 3-13 the last year Landry was the coach and had missed the playoffs entirely 4 out of the last 5 seasons he coached. There is a difference between saying Pete can do better and saying he needs to be fired. I mean, people saying this crazy shit act like there is a reasonable expectation a new coach hired after he is fired is going to lead the team to greater success, when by far the most likely outcome is a return to mediocrity.

              Like, seriously, actually think about it. Do you honestly think the Seahawks would have better odds at winning a Super Bowl within the next five years if they fired Carroll? It seems obvious to me that it would be much more likely that they would have a losing record over that period of time than win the Super Bowl.

              • Rob Staton says:

                I mean, people saying this crazy shit act like there is a reasonable expectation a new coach hired after he is fired is going to lead the team to greater success, when by far the most likely outcome is a return to mediocrity.

                Or maybe it’d galvanise the team as it did in Green Bay when they moved on from Mike McCarthy? Maybe having John Schneider in charge of the key personnel decisions instead of Pete Carroll will be a good thing?

                It’s very easy to call moving on from Carroll ‘crazy shit’ and suggest it would lead to a ‘return to mediocrity’. There’s absolutely no reason why a change and a fresh start couldn’t be just what this team needs after a run of one playoff win in four years.

                Like, seriously, actually think about it. Do you honestly think the Seahawks would have better odds at winning a Super Bowl within the next five years if they fired Carroll?

                Like, seriously, yes they might.

                It seems obvious to me that it would be much more likely that they would have a losing record over that period of time than win the Super Bowl.

                Is it his ‘water-tight’ game-planning, ‘top-notch’ in-game decision making, adjustments, refusal to cede any control to anyone, his worsening defense year-by-year or something else that made you leap to this conclusion?

          • BruceN says:

            “But a malaise has set in recently, IMO, where the Seahawks have settled into a ‘good not great’”.

            I agree with you there. What I can’t buy is that we are doomed and a disaster franchise who is run by fools. I just listened to another interview on the local radio with Steve Young (pro bowler, SB winner, HOF QB who is part of ESPN and MNF analyst team, basically not an ignorant fool) who referred to the Hawks as an Elite organization that Niners have to keep up with. To me we are somewhere in between but closer to the latter and can’t get over the hump.

            My dream scenario is, as you suggested, for Pete to be the master puppet, a culture setter, and hire fresh blood, new creative and aggressive OC and DC to run the O and D. Maybe we’re half way there. We’ll find out soon enough.

            • Rob Staton says:

              What I can’t buy is that we are doomed and a disaster franchise who is run by fools.

              Who is making this argument?

              • BruceN says:

                I should have put quotations around the word “fools” because it has been used. Not by you but by some on the blog. Which is fine. This is a place to share opinions. I’m just saying I don’t agree with it.

                • Rob Staton says:

                  Yes, this is a place to share opinions.

                  But I also don’t think it’s right to use a tiny portion of Seahawks fans who probably don’t really consider this to be a ‘doomed and disaster franchise’ to base a counter argument.

                  There are legitimate concerns though — over ownership, the future of the roster, the capability of the HC and de-facto leader and the future of Russell Wilson.

                  • BruceN says:

                    “There are legitimate concerns though — over ownership, the future of the roster, the capability of the HC and de-facto leader and the future of Russell Wilson.”

                    No arguments here. All valid points and I share the same concerns (and a few more! like please don’t get cute in the draft and try to outsmart everyone else!).

    • BobbyK says:

      Sadly, you’re spot on.

      They need to draft a DK at 56. Whether it’s a CB, DT, C, WR, or RB… they need someone who is actually young and good. Their track record and odds don’t make me have any confidence in their ability to do so. Afterall, they think LJ and Blair are better than DK and with only 1-pick I’m sure they’ll screw it up like they usually do this last half-decade plus.

    • Big Mike says:

      “….a decade of mediocrity”

      But, but, 12 & 4! Playoff team!
      Agree about circling the drain. Prove me wrong when Wilson’s gone Pete. I’ll be the first to admit you were the reason for the limited success, not him.

      As for Russ, yeah damage control mode it would seem.

    • cha says:

      Good thoughts STTBM.

      I don’t know what is worse, the fact that this mess hasn’t been sorted or the bulk of the Seattle media thinks they ‘got it right’ by insisting Russ wouldn’t be traded and not even bothering to explore the 19 different fissures in this crumbling relationship.

    • God of Thunder says:

      “Bad drafts, poor free agency, pathetic trades…it’s been nearly a decade of mediocrity by JS and PC. Nothing to do but keep watching the circling of the drain…”

      I have to take issue with the above.

      The Seahawks have not been mediocre. On the contrary. The team has had regular season successes that many other franchises can only dream of. However, as Rob and others have pointed out, these multiple regular season successes have papered over the facts: the team is not now, and hasn’t been for a half dozen years, a true Super Bowl contender. If that’s what you are saying, we agree!

      Some of the trades have been poor, some have been good. The same applies to the drafting. And FA.

      You are correct … if we focus on the potential of this team to truly contend. As it’s built now. Hence the interest many of us have in trading Adams, maybe Wagner, and considering what an unhappy Wilson can fetch in return. But the winning seasons have been impressive. Deceptively so.

      • STTBM says:

        Thank you for the feedback everyone!

        I said Seattle has been mired in mediocrity for nearly a decade because they began this mess in 2013/2014 with a couple bad drafts, followed by so-so and terrible Free Agency moves since, more bad drafts, and two horrible high-cost trades and few good ones. They flat blew 6 of the last 8 drafts, and the jury is still out on the last two. They went to the playoffs all but one year, but only won one game–vs Detroit, a real powerhouse of legendary toughness.

        While they won in the regular season, several years early on it seemed Carrol blew a couple games each year with poor coaching that cost them. And he seemed to stop making the team greater than the sum of it’s parts: we had great talent, but failed to utilize it. The past few years, with the bad drafting, poor free agency, and the fallout of the Adams trade that wasn’t overcome by the one good trade for Dunlap, it seems the talent has lessened, and I can’t see Carrols coaching providing anything they couldn’t get from more than half the coaches in the NFL.

        Averaging it together, you get a team with talent decayed to the mid level, below average coaching, a great qb, and a GM hampered in Free Agency and the draft by a meddling coach who has too much power.

        I think the only reason this team hasn’t been 6-10 or even 4-12 is Wilson.

        Averaging it all, you get a mediocre team, looking at talent, coaching, drafting, free agency: I wasn’t looking solely at win/loss record, especially since Seattle’s record vs teams with winning records hasn’t been great for a long while.

        But this is just how I see it, I enjoyed reading everyone else’s take.

  42. Big Mike says:

    “I still think Gruden covets him, but he’s waiting for the price to go down….”

    I agree with this. I think there’s still a chance a deal with LV happens right before or on draft day. I think Pete would think he can win with Carr but I don’t think Chucky will give up three firsts and Carr plus other stuff.

  43. Sea Mode says:

    Jim Nagy

    Update from @UHCougarFB pro-day. DE Payton Turner with 23 bench reps with 35 3/8 arms is one of more impressive numbers this spring. Also 35.5 VJ at 6054/268.👀👀

  44. no frickin clue says:


    I was messing around with Pro Football Simulator and drafted for the Jags. After a few trade downs out of #1, I had the #28 overall pick and received an offer from pseudo-John Schneider. The offer was:

    #56 overall, 2022 2nd rounder, 2022 3rd rounder
    #28 overall

    This offer kinda made me nauseous since it empties the cupboard for 2022 after we already went to town on 2021 picks, but it made me wonder: is there anyone out there that, if for reasons unknown they dropped to the end of the 1st round, that you could see the Hawks trading up for?

    • BobbyK says:

      If anything, they should consider dealing #56 for 3-4 picks that would include a #2 and #3 from some team next year – in addition to a pick or two yet this year. They won’t because they have no long term vision and have never made any trades that were designed for the long-term (the Frank Clark trade doesn’t count because Clark was a building block piece for a long time).

      • no frickin clue says:

        I agree with you. Every time I take the reins for John at Pro Football Simulator, I’m trying to build up to 5-6 picks in the 80-130 range in the draft, instead of just #56 and #129.

        The thing that concerns me is that if Pete felt desperate enough to raid 2021 picks to land Adams, he might similarly feel desperate enough to start raiding 2022. I hope not.

        • DC says:

          Start raiding 2022?

          • no frickin clue says:

            More than we already have. Sheesh, this is getting more depressing every time I think about it.

            • BobbyK says:

              It’s bad enough they destroyed this draft with Adams, but we have to pay the price next year as well.

              I can totally see Pete wanting to raid more of the 2022 draft for the sake of this year. Helps the year in question, really screws over all future years. Typical Pete Carroll. Just like the last half-decade plus. And USC.

  45. cha says:

    The weird, wonderful, delusional, and nonsensical world that is John Boyle and the Seahawks mailbag this week:

    “Is it possible that the Seahawks have plateaued under Pete Carroll?”

    “With the additions we made on the D-Line, does that make it a Top 5 unit?”

    “As both a dad and noted teller of corny jokes, what’s your favorite dad joke?”

    “Who do you think we’ll sign next?”

    “Will we draft Penei Sewell? I think we should.”

    “Are the Seahawks going to add any more edge rushers?”

    “Is Rashaad Penny expected to eat into Chris Carson’s workload this year?”

  46. Scot04 says:

    Randall resigned, would be nice if the safety depth was a precursor to an Adams trade. Unfortunately I think we’ve all given up on that becoming a reality

  47. AlaskaHawk says:

    Cha mentioned that Jamal Adams had missed 9 tackles last season, or 10%. This actually seems decent to me as he made 90% of his tackles. What is the average for safeties? Is that statistic normally calculated.

    I do note that Adams didn’t have any interceptions. That is an area I would like to see improvement in.

    • CaptainJack says:

      Ball skills are lacking. Two CAREER interceptions…

    • God of Thunder says:

      Adams dropped at least one certain interception when it seemed easier to catch the ball.

      He was a disappointment in coverage. Hence the astute call by Rob and others to at least consider what draft picks he can garner. I guess the questions to be answered are: was he bad in coverage because of injuries that are now healed? Or because he was learning in a new system? We had better hope the answer to these is affirmative. I guess…

      The paradox I find myself in is: what if Adams has another superficially strong season? That is, he detracts from the team defence but has impressive stats. Say many blitzes and mediocre coverage but 12+ sacks. Because I don’t see him as a fit in our system, I don’t want him here long term. But if he bombs, he’s harder to trade. It was such a backwards move, trading so much for him, let alone tying up (potentially) that much money in that position.

      • Mike says:

        I don’t realistically know what they’ll do with him at this point. I mean, they were, and continued to be so hot on him being a gamechanger that the common fanbase is very attached to him. Just like dropping Bobby, it would be a bad look to most fans.

        To trade him now (from a PR standpoint) is an admission of guilt and incompetence after that huge trade. In the context of the RW drama that has been very unpopular with the common fanbase, it’s frankly a lot of bad press in short order. That basically invites the media to pound the “Fire/retire Pete” headlines.

        What team wants to dump a ton of cash on a safety this year? Not too many with the cap issues. A trade like this will look real bad when you compare what we gave and what we got. The news articles write themselves there.

        So extend him for next year and pay him. Then what? He’s more like an undersized linebacker than a safety. Do we make him learn to cover, or just rush him? I doubt our pass rush will be great. But it may be competent at least. We got burned bad last year, and teams know the Jamal rush is likely coming.

        Im curious how we could scheme with him now. The surprise factor of last year is gone. People will look to assume he is gonna rush. They will scheme to expose that and throw his way.

        • AlaskaHawk says:

          Someone needs to reset his expectations for 18 million/year. It’s okay to ask for the moon. But it is way more than most safeties are paid. With his skill set I doubt he will be offered more than 12 million per year by any team. Heck the Seahawks could franchise him for 11.4 million.

          So either he resets his expectations on that issue, or he finds a sucker, or this becomes a Clowney situation where he holds out and eventually signs for less and is mad about it.

          Scheme wise I would like the Seahawks to work on his coverage and interception skills. His tackling and blitzing is already fine.

          • Rob Staton says:

            Good luck convincing Jamal Adams he’s only worth $12m

            His first response will be… ‘so why did you give up two firsts and a third if you’re not willing to give me Jalen Ramsey money?’

            • AlaskaHawk says:

              He hasn’t met expectations. I believe you pointed out he is rated at #56 among safeties or secondary? That is why this is a Clowney situation.

              Anyway – let him look, my prediction is no one will offer over 12 million unless he has a monster year of performance in 2021.

              • Scot04 says:

                Nothing like the Clowney situation. We only gave up a 3rd for him, and he was a Free-agent. Adams cost two 1sts, a 3rd, and a player; plus he’s still under contract.
                Seahawks basically have 2 choices 16-20M or trade him. You can’t let him walk like Clowney.
                Plenty of teams would pay Adams minimum 16M. He just doesn’t fit here. He’s still a talent in the right scheme.

              • AlaskaHawk says:

                I looked up Safety contracts on OTC. It looks like 6 safeties are getting 14 million or more in average price/year. Then the price falls off to 11.5 million for next player.

                The highest paid is Justin Simmons at 15.25 million/average, and Budda Baker at 14.75 million.

                • KennyBadger says:

                  And Jamal would be insulted if he was offered less than those guys.

                  • Scot04 says:

                    I agree he’d be insulted. I also believe there are atleast a few teams that would be happy to have him @ the Budda Baker level contract. He just needs to be on the right defense to justify 16-20M.
                    To me that place is not here, but I’m not PC.

            • Big Mike says:

              He’ll also continue to call himself a “weapon”.

              • Scot04 says:

                Didn’t help that PC said they viewed him more as a weapon than a safety, when they made the trade.
                If your coach considers you a weapon and not a safety; why wouldn’t you consider yourself one.
                They gave him all the control.

                • Big Mike says:

                  They gave him all the control when they traded for him without having an extension in place. Because of this and without even taking into account his level of play, fit in the Seattle system, injuries, etc. the only way out of him having control is via trading him imo.

  48. Sea Mode says:

    All set at CB, folks!

    Ian Rapoport

    The #Seahawks announced they are re-signing Damarious Randall, but call him a CB, not a safety. A move to his roots.

    Let’s re-sign KJ and call him a DE. Could solve our pass rush problem too…

    • j says:

      Randall was a safety in college. But he played four years with the Packers as a corner. Cleveland moved him to safety but he has extensive CB history.

      Is he anything more than depth? No. Is he likely to make the team? No. But for a minimum salary guy he is solid.

    • Big Mike says:

      Instead of KJ we could’ve retained Sully and called him a DE. I mean after all, he played in high school you know.

  49. Sea Mode says:


    Erik Burkhardt

    San Fran traded up to take Pitts & pair him with Kittle. Not take a QB.
    Kyle sees the chess board differently & knows how difficult this will be to defend. 🕸♟

    • Mick says:

      Strongly doubt that happens. Two great TEs are no good with Jimmy G.

    • j says:

      That would be amazing for the Hawks.

      • DC says:

        Not really. They’d be better this year if their peeps come back healthy…

        The NFC West is truly the ‘win now’ division. It’s like having a future 1st round pick causes herpes or something.

    • cha says:

      It’s an inside job. PC is taking mind-control to whole new levels.

      He already has McVay taking penalties on offense after timeouts.

      Now if he can get Shanahan to trade two firsts for a tight end…

    • CaptainJack says:

      That would be hilarious.

  50. Ashish says:

    If we believe Carrol comments, you know JS is not going pick 3-4 times (when we traded Frank Clark) we will not do the same this year (3 picks). Most SDB folks are praying that Hawks trade Adams and possible Wagner. We would have to wait till day or two before draft. Do you guys think the same?

    • Volume12 says:

      Think the same on….?

      I dont think they’ll only pick 3 or 4 times. So that’s the same. But praying or even wanting them to trade Prez? No thanks. I dont think the same on that at all.

  51. Volume12 says:

    Kelvin Joseph man. My goodness. That tape against ‘Bama is highly impressive. Deadass might be the best tape I’ve seen from a corner against DeVonta Smith 🔥.

    I know he’s got his red flags and a small sample size, but theres something about him that I think is worth rolling the dice on.

  52. pdway says:

    Rob – feel free to say take this elsewhere, and I won’t be offended.

    But man, I think the latest statement from his own atty on the Deshaun situation – i.e. that he had consensual sex w some of the masseuses – changes this for me. Because now the whole, ‘this was all a professional massage’ narrative is gone – and so even if those instances were fully consensual, we now can infer that he was looking for sexual interaction on others, and it gives more credence to all those many other allegations.

    Feels like, at minimum, a suspension – and maybe much worse. Which is just crazy to me, meaning, given his stature as a right in this prime star in this league.

    • Big Mike says:

      I haven’t followed this situation real closely so if I’m wrong here, please correct me but isn’t there like 22 women that have come forward accusing him of abuse? 2 or 3 maybe it’s horseshit but 22 tells me there’s plenty of fire beneath this smoke. I think a suspension is likely but I thought the same about Tyreek and Rog gave him nothing while giving Jaren Reed 6 games for an accusation that iirc was never proven.

      • pdway says:

        Yes, there have been more than 20 women – but none ever filed a police report (not that that’s definitive) – and it was all civil w the same lawyer, who definitely presented as spotlight-seeking and sketchy – so there was a lingering thought in my mind that this might just have been a money grab situation, etc. And up to this point, he’d only acknowledged that he got massages.

        But it’s really taken a turn now, in my mind. Also, you’re not wrong, it’s a lot of accusers now. It’s very possible he’s done.

        • Gohawks5151 says:

          It always blows my mind how the NFL pick and choose who to punish. Tyreke nothing. Ray Rice done. Joe Mixon nothing. Greg Hardy done. Dalvin Cook nothing. Reed suspended, AB suspended, Kareem Hunt suspended. How do you even parse it out? Even video evidence is inconsistent. (Rice, Mixon and Cook all caught on tape). Goodell is bad at his job.

          • icb12 says:

            I don’t disagree with you on the whole. There are plenty of other names we could name too.
            However I think it’s an important distinction that Mixon and Cook incidents occurred before they were IN the NFL. Would be a reach (in my opinion) to punish an employee for something that happened prior to them being your employee.

        • Spectator says:

          There are over 40 now I believe, and 1 has filed a criminal suit against him. As far as the same lawyer, in a civil case, that is the best way these individuals could do it to succedd and would likely be joined anyways. It screams ambulance chaser- class action chaser lawyer move on its face, but it actually seems as though the one attorney is actually more so for efficiency and credibility. As far as no criminal suits, its likely because things like this (he said she said) issues are difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. which is the standard for a criminal case. But more likely than not, which is the civil standard, is much lower threshold to hit. Think about OJ who was acquitted in his criminal case, but found guilty in civil case.
          I don’t subscribe to the #metoo movement, as I think it sets a terrible precedent, but this really is more than that. This has a Weinstein, Epstein, Bill cosby feel to it.

  53. CaptainJack says:

    I won’t be shocked if the 49ers take Pitts. Who is a more special talent… Pitts or Mac Jones? How much of an upgrade is Jones over Jimmy G? Can’t be much.

    • CaptainJack says:

      I’ve felt for awhile that trading two first for a chance to secure… Mac Jones… when he could possibly fall anyways, or you could sit and wait for Fields or Lance, was stupid.

      • CaptainJack says:

        One more thought… if it became clear the niners were after Pitts, what’s stopping Atlanta from leapfrogging with the Jets. Jets think San Fran is going QB so they can’t move down or else they lose out on Wilson, who is much more talented than Jones. So of course San Francisco has to put on a smokescreen. Until Jimmy G is traded, Pitts is a possibility.

      • Rob Staton says:

        He wasn’t going to fall anyway

        That’s why they moved up

        And if you think this guy is destined to win you Super Bowls — you don’t take the chance anyway

        • CaptainJack says:

          My problem here is I don’t see Mac Jones leading anyone to a superbowl, at least not immediately.

          • Joemamasofat says:

            I sold myself on Jones as the pick because I think he can replace JG from the outset, but more than anything, it’s the hope we don’t spend the next decade getting shredded by Fields.

            • Rob Staton says:

              I’d be more worried about being shredded by Jones in a scheme which destroyed the league in 2016, playing with a QB able to execute Shanahan’s scheme properly.

          • Rob Staton says:

            And I’m sure you probably didn’t see Matt Ryan as MVP or in a Super Bowl in Shanahan’s scheme.

            Or Jimmy G in a Super Bowl in Shanahan’s scheme.

            Or Matt Schaub being the passing leader in the NFL in Shanahan’s scheme.

            Or Kirk Cousins looking pretty unstoppable at times in Shanahan’s scheme.

            Mac Jones does what Shanahan needs. And if he executes it as well as Ryan did, the rest of the NFC West is in serious trouble.

    • Rob Staton says:

      You don’t trade two firsts for the right to use another first on a tight end when you already have George Kittle

      Meanwhile your QB can’t stay healthy or be trusted to win you a big game

  54. HOUSE says:

    When I saw Damarious Randall re-signed today, I questioned Adams’ future in SEA. I think Blair will be pushing to get back on the field and personally think Adams is our best bet to get draft picks back.

    Now that I see Randall being listed at CB, I’m wondering if he’s another version of Flowers?

  55. Gaux Hawks says:

    Friday, April 9th 2021

    I am confused, disappointed and discouraged.

    Some of that blame falls on Pete (there seems to be a lack of sincerity, maybe too much ego), Russell (MVP > SB) and Rob (for challenging the status quo and exposing uncomfortable trends). John gets a pass.

    I typically enjoy learning the offseason/business part of the year and am grateful for the content and community/engagement on SDB. I also only really started to follow the Hawks in 2011. But this offseason has been difficult to ignore (in 2020 we could use the “benefit of doubt” card).

    Clark trade? We still had hope.

    But I think Rob is right, the Adams trade… terrible.

    Then there’s Russell.

    I am a fan of RW3 but would be more than happy to trade him (and Adams) to Miami for a huge haul (4 1sts & 2 2nds)… AND I’d also be happy to see them win a championship in Miami. But I need a change of scenery.

    Wilson and Adams both seem to be blossoming premadonnas.

    So like I said, I am confused, disappointed and discouraged.

    But I trust Pete and I trust John.

    I’m okay with the moves they’ve made thus far, but I want John swinging for the fences.

    Give me Kellen Mond, Javonte Williams, Quinn Meinerz, Ben Cleveland, Dyami Brown, D’Ante Smith, and Benjamin St. Juste. Throw in Milton Williams, why not.

    Let’s challenge 2012.

    • BobbyK says:

      “But I trust Pete and I trust John.”

      That’s what Jody Allen says/thinks, too.

      Big mistake if the ultimate is going to another Super Bowl. But it sure is a good idea if you’re happy getting to the play-offs most years even if the elimination is early.

      FYI – Adams was a full blossomed premadonna when he was in New Jersey. He’s not “blossoming.” He was one. Is one.

  56. Rob Staton says:

    I love the optimism of the PFN mock draft simulator.

    I was just able to get:

    Kendrick Green
    Bobby Brown
    Anthony Schwartz
    Buddy Johnson
    Benjamin St Juste
    Sadarius Hutcherson

    Which would be a haul given the circumstances

    • Scot04 says:

      I try to use your draft chart to atleast make it somewhat realistic.

    • clbradley17 says:

      Sorry to sound like a math teacher, but can you show your work? What trades did you make to get 6 picks? If we didn’t trade JA, BW or both to get some more draft picks, that would be a fantastic draft! After Green, most of the rest would be gone, especially Brown and St. Juste. I would like to see us draft a big DT that can rush the QB from the inside like Darius Stills, he may actually be there in the 4th. Agree with your assessment a week or 2 ago that we have a LOT of DEs and could stand to trade someone like Rasheem Green for whatever we can get – a late day 3 pick.

    • BobbyK says:

      I was addicted to that thing last year. I haven’t even tried it this year because it’s such a joke Pete Carroll has left us with in terms of setting the table to securing our future as a fan base.

      Teams are built through the draft. Pete doesn’t care anymore. He’s too narrow/now minded. He doesn’t care about what’s best for long term success. Win Forever is BS. It’s comPete now and screw the future! That should be the title of his new book. It would be the updated version.

    • Mick says:

      I think that will be the plan: repeated trade downs (not what the simulator offers, though, I accepted several trades and turned 3 picks into 10 while still getting Meinerz and Brady Christensen) and hope some good players fall. It might work for positions with good depth, but we’ll most likely get roster fillers or project players like Alton Robinson and not game changers. It’s a pity cause this year’s draft isn’t as damaged by Covid as people thought, and we don’t know what’s coming next years.

  57. Rob Staton says:

    Steve Verderosa, former Giants scout, on PFN just said don’t be surprised if Bobby Brown goes in round two.

    Quick reminder…

    • Chris says:

      Rob, have you watched all of the Breaking Down the Board shows? They’re very interesting! Such a breath of fresh air compared to Daniel Jeremiah telling Haloti Ngata stories and Mel and Todd have gotten pretty stale..

  58. Lewis says:

    Thaddeus Moss released by Washington. Might be worth a look as a WR3, perhaps.

  59. Frank says:

    So much of this offseason wondering about the QB position, and the potential RW or Addams trade and whether the draft board is going to fall in such way the Hawks find a way to make a move. Hard to imagine leaving this draft without a QB, even if RW stays. Feels like the writing is on the wall for this to happen before the draft or next offseason one or the other. I’m not sure that I’m buying on Mac going to the 49ers, or the top three picks being absolute certainty. Not saying it just to be a contrarian, but what if Fields sneaks into the top two picks? He’s a proven winner who plays his best in the biggest moments, built to take NFL abuse, adept as a passer and rusher, and will instantly make a bad team a contender for a playoff position. My argument is that his floor is just higher than Wilson, or Lawrence and you tell me who wins more games next year, the Jets with Wilson/Lawrence or Fields. Point is it might not be Mac Jones but Wilson the 49ers are hopefully to get. That has Maholmes, Reid potential and is my personal nightmare ( a pairing of Shanahan and Wilson) at this point of the draft.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Fields also has his fair share of issues

      • Frank says:

        I just don’t feel confident about what his value is enough to rule out the possibility. He really just has the one major glaring flaw to me that he is a see it throw it guy so he holds on to the ball to long instead of being able to anticipate and throw his receivers open early. The big game moxie, and ability to rip a defense with his legs and arm talent are starting to win me over as him being in the mix in the top 5. Looking at Vegas odds for draft position certainly shows the 49ers as the only team having Mac over Fields on their big boards. Fields rushing alone would make a 500+ team out of the Jets.
        If your picking in the top 5 all the time like the Jets, a guy that can immediately make you not a laughing stock might be a godsend, where Larwence and Wilson are going to need good environments. I’m probably just looking at it pessimistically, imagining a scenario Lawrence of Wilson somehow making it to the 49ers and an immediate super team is born. The 49ers didn’t get the number three pick without knowing there where three guys they where okay with and certainly a hunch a good style matchup and value couldn’t be gotten later. Who are the 49ers afraid of coveting Mac enough to need to go past the falcon, when their pick has a big for sale sign and nobody was thinking Mac in the top ten before the 49ers trade. Smells like smokescreen to me as predraft paranoia sets in haha.

        • Rob Staton says:

          You don’t have to rule anything out, but…

          1. There’s no ‘smokescreen’ about moving up to #3 to guarantee the guy you want. It’s not about ‘getting ahead of Atlanta’ per se. It’s about determining whoever QB3 is, you want him. Badly. And now nobody can take him off you. It’s as simple as that.

          2. Plenty of people were reporting Mac Jones in the top-10.

          3. Fields has more than one glaring flaw and to be honest, I feel like I’ve written/talked about this a lot already over the last few weeks. He’s a long strider when throwing with an elongated release. This throws off timing, impacts accuracy and it’s one of the reasons why his rating under pressure is far worse than others QB’s in this draft. His progression/anticipating is not of a high standard. He has some serious ‘WTF’ moments on tape. He doesn’t play within structure anywhere near as well as Mac Jones and the entire Shanahan scheme is predicated on playing within structure. He doesn’t want Russell Wilson.

          • Frank says:

            Just looking at worst possible scenario for the Hawks, of Wilson making it to Shanahan more than defending Fields value. Between Fields good and bad I can’t figure out if he’s a top 5 player or whether he even belongs in the top 20, not unlike our oft disgruntled QB. I think you need a little recess champ to your game, but not too much. He wouldn’t be my pick as the Jets, but they just failed miserably with Donald bye not providing him a good enough situation to succeed, where a guy like Fields might not be able to elevate a good team to greatness, but could raise a crap team to not being a league wide laughing stock. Mac Jones might suck to play against with Shanahan, but Wilson + Shanahan is straight nightmare stuff.

            • Rob Staton says:

              The Jets just appointed a Shanahan protege as their new offensive coordinator.

              They are no more likely to take an ‘out of structure’ QB as the Niners are.

  60. johnny says:

    Fields will be taken #3 not 2.

  61. Joemamasofat says:

    Totally unrelated, but I’d like to hear thoughts on Schotty. It looked to me like Russ’s displeasure coincided with Schotty’s firing. Was he not a totally uninspiring hire at OC, but muzzled by PC’s stubborn refusal to let him modernize the offense?

  62. Matty says:

    I don’t have the strength of knowledge on college football and how likely players transfer to the NFL, but the 49ers trading up at the big price is a huge gamble if taking a QB when the better two will go off the board before their selection. And with recent history showing how difficult it is to find a franchise QB. With this and the fact Pete loves the identity of defensive backs with strong character was the trade for a proven high quality player like Adams such a waste/gamble.
    Last season was messy regards roster and now with the RW saga I’m going to predict Adams is going to be a key player on and off the field next season and a true asset – a lot was written that Adams is a captain/team guy.

  63. SamprasSultanOfSwat says:

    There is no such thing as a lock. But Trevor Lawrence to Jacksonville and Zach Wilson to the Jets does look like a sure bet. The consensus seems to be Mac Jones to San Francisco. Hard to believe Jones to Frisco. But that is were all signs point to.

    According to Rob’s draft chart. Mac Jones, Trey Lance and Justin Fields all have a 2nd round grade. What is head scratching is that San Francisco traded three 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick for a 2nd round QB. Jones, Lance and Fields all have a 2nd round grades. The 49ers are paying a high price for a 2nd round QB.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Hard to believe Jones to Frisco.

      I don’t know why anyone would find it hard to believe,

      He’s ideal for Kyle Shanahan’s scheme.

      And just because I’ve got them in R2 doesn’t mean teams won’t have them higher.

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