Today highlighted the great value in this draft

April 17th, 2018 | Written by Rob Staton

Two more ‘official 30’ visits were reported today. Ohio State offensive lineman Billy Price and Florida State defensive tackle Derrick Nandi both met with the Seahawks.

And they’re the perfect illustration of why this draft is loaded with value.

Regular visitors to the blog will be familiar with both players. With Nnadi, it goes back to 2016. Here’s a piece from November that year, discussing Nnadi’s potential as an early round pick.

He didn’t declare for the 2017 draft and didn’t quite have the same impact last season. The loss of DeMarcus Walker to the NFL and a down year for FSU contributed to a fairly quiet senior campaign for Nnadi.

Even so, he has a ton of talent. At times he looks an awful lot like Brandon Mebane. Big frame, anchors and controls the run and has surprising pass rush ability that hasn’t really been harnessed yet.

Lance Zierlein at NFL.com is projecting Nnadi to go in the third or fourth round. That would be an absolute steal. The worst case scenario is you might end up with a fairly league average NFL defensive tackle. His potential, however, is to develop into something akin to one of Seattle’s more underrated players in the last 10 years.

We’ve also spent a lot of time talking about Price this year. He’s a blog favourite — showing the kind of leadership, aggression and intensity you want on your offensive line. In February we put him in our ‘top-25’ group. And then he hurt himself doing the bench at the combine.

Any shot Price had to propel his stock firmly into round one disappeared. He was expected to run and test well. Instead he hasn’t been able to do any workouts pre-draft.

His stock as a consequence has dipped. He might be a late second rounder now rather than a late first. The likes of James Daniels and Frank Ragnow have jumped ahead of him.

A smart team will note the possibility of a fall and take advantage. He’s the type of player who takes a big step forward at the next level and becomes a respectable, solid starter. He can play guard or center and he’ll help set the tone up front.

The fact that players like Price and Nnadi could be there in rounds two/three represents the great value on offer this year. The value in round one, on the other hand, is poor in comparison. A player at #18 might have a similar grade to a player at #50.

Teams will always want to jockey for position in round one to address a certain need or make sure they get the security of a fifth year contract option.

That said, the Seahawks have no business sticking at #18 with the talent available on day two. Moving down, accumulating stock in the second and third round — that’s the key to this draft. Especially in a re-tool year.

They’ll probably be helped (possibly in more ways than one) by the Dallas Cowboys. They practically took out a page advert in the New York Times this week to tell the rest of the league they intend to draft a wide receiver. Everyone knows this after they cut Dez Bryant. So if you want Courtland Sutton or Calvin Ridley, you better get ahead of Dallas.

The receiver market is red hot in free agency and getting young, cheap talent at the position is crucial. If a team like Cleveland isn’t moving up to make sure they get a tackle — rest assured teams will probably be wary of Dallas taking the receiver they want.

If the Seahawks can turn #18 (and possibly Earl Thomas) into 3-4 picks in rounds 2-3 — it’ll present a big opportunity to re-shape this roster (which they appear inclined to do) and set a new course.

And let’s be right here — nearly everyone the Seahawks are meeting with is a day two prospect or a late rounder. So if you weren’t convinced they planned to move down before, you should be now.

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189 Responses to “Today highlighted the great value in this draft”

  1. Nolan says:

    Rob you got me hooked I have been refreshing all day waiting and hoping you would write another piece, thank you so much for the work you do.

  2. Hawktalker#1 says:

    Rob, what kind of a bribe would it take to see a three round mock from you? 😉

    Excellent work once again. Especially on the previous guest interview, but I definitely enjoy the hangouts, podcasts, interviews you drive even more.

    All of your content production (verbal and written) has such a high floor!!

    Your worst material (not sure what would even fall into that category) would be competitive with much of the best from many/most of the other Seahawks sources and that is saying a lot.

    It’s starting to feel more exciting as every day passes and we get closer to the re-tooling draft. This will be a big and an important one. Time to hit the nail on the head with our picks. (Including pulling Quem off the board). Can you imagine killing it in the draft AND landing Quem? NFL you better pray we don’t make the playoffs . . .

    • Rob Staton says:

      I don’t think I’ve ever done a three-round mock before. Might struggle for the time as I’m in Florida with the kids. Will definitely do another two rounder pre-draft though and a Seahawks seven rounder.

      Really appreciate those kinds words. This community drives the blog and makes it what it is. You guys are the best.

    • SheHawk says:

      + 1000. Griffin has to become. a hawk so LOBv2 is “powered by twin turbos”

  3. Kenny Sloth says:

    Billy Price and Nick Chubb please

    200% football there

  4. Hawktalker#1 says:

    Rob, here’s a “you’re the GM so what’s you call” question for you in the draft.

    The scenario is, after some trades, Seattle’s next pick will be at either 31 or 33 and they believe they have a shot at their #1 RB target RoJo. However, they find he has been taken by another team earlier than expected and is now not available at 31 or 33.

    Do you trade down again to earn another draft pick, believing that Chubb will be available somewhere between 40-50, or do you pull the trigger at 31 or 33 on Chubb to avoid losing out on the last of the two backs the Seahawks told their war/draft room they didn’t want to leave the draft without?

    Question open to others as well (like I could stop you, hahaha)

    Thanks in advance.

  5. Kenny Sloth says:

    Kyle Allen^, QB, Houston (WOR, PRI)
    Abdullah Anderson, DT, Bucknell (WOR)
    Dorance Armstrong Jr., DE/3-4OLB/OLB, Kansas (PRI)
    Kalen Ballage, RB, Arizona State (WOR)
    Andrew Brown, DT/3-4DE, Virginia (PRI)
    Tony Brown, CB, Alabama (PRO)
    Austin Corbett, OT/C, Nevada (PRI)
    Will Dissly, TE, Washington (COM)
    Leighton Vander Esch, ILB, Boise State (PRI)
    Poona Ford, DT, Texas (PRI)
    Dallas Goedert^, TE, South Dakota State (WOR, PRI)
    Shaquem Griffin, OLB, Central Florida (COM)
    Derrius Guice, RB, LSU (PRO)
    Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama (PRI)
    Holton Hill, CB, Texas (PRI)
    Khalid Hill, FB, Michigan (PRI)
    Manase Hungalu, ILB, Oregon State (WOR)
    Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan (PRI)
    Natrell Jamerson, S, Wisconsin (PRO)
    Christian Kirk^, WR, Texas A&M (WOR, PRI)
    Keith Kirkwood, WR, Temple (PRI)
    Cole Madison, OT, Washington State (PRI)
    Jacob Martin, DE, Temple (PRI)
    Alex McGough, QB, Florida International (PRI)
    Kolton Miller, OT, UCLA (PRO)
    Ryan Nall, FB, Oregon State (COM)
    Nick Nelson, CB, Wisconsin (PRO)
    Isaiah Oliver, CB, Colorado (PRI)
    Foye Oluokun, OLB, Yale (PRI)
    Dante Pettis, WR, Washington (PRO)
    Jacob Pugh, 3-4OLB/OLB, Florida State (PRI)
    Justin Reid, S, Stanford (PRI)
    Ed Shockley, ILB, Villanova (PRI)
    Ito Smith, RB, Southern Mississippi (PRI)
    Josh Sweat^, DE/3-4OLB, Florida State (PRO, PRI)
    Jullian Taylor, DT, Temple (PRI)
    Simeon Thomas, CB, La.-Lafayette (PRI)
    Kemoko Turay, DE/3-4OLB, Rutgers (PRI)
    Akrum Wadley, RB, Iowa (SR)
    Devron Davis CB UTSA
    Demone Harris DE Buffalo
    Jessie Bates III (S, Wake Forest)*
    J.T. Gray (S, Mississippi State)*
    Tee Sims (DE, Appalachian State)*
    Zaire Franklin, LB, Syracuse
    Billy Price, IL, Ohio State
    Derek Nnadi, DT, Florida State

  6. HawksGal says:

    Thanks Rob, another fine article.

    I loved when Dallas let Dez go as it’s a walking billboard they’ll go receiver with their first pick, couple that with the run on Qb’s and Seattle is sitting in an even better position to trade back multiple times; we will recoup those value round picks in the second and third.

    I for one an extremely excited by this years draft, I hate to lose the players we all know and love but this is a young man’s game and managing a reasonable cap keeps us competitive for years to come.

    Keep up the great work!

  7. Lewis says:

    Would be thrilled to get two guys like Nnadi and Price, who could be line fixtures for years. Hopefully they can find some picks and take advantage of all the talent this year.

  8. Great article Rob I like both those guys a lot .I truly believe this draft is huge for the Hawks I watch guys like Billy Price and Ronnie Harrison I hear there interview I think these are football players. Ronnie Harrison will find a way to get on the field. The leader of Alabama defense .Billy price you watch you have to be impressed with his tape.Nnadi is a guy you mentioned a while ago and I think some of us forgot about.

  9. In this draft I would really like to see guys who can make an impact.I think you can’t have of depth on the o line or d line.

  10. BradCanuck says:

    I haven’t even read this article yet but I wanted to comment. Rob knows through Twitter and my previous comments how much I appreciate him. I rarely comment on his blog, but I read everything voraciously and ingest wholeheartedly. I respect the civility and knowledge of all the contributors.

    I just read what I feel is a great article by Kenneth Arthur on FieldGulls about the mistakes of a 21-year-old man, Malik McDowell. (As a sidenote I think Kenneth is an amazing author, but he needs to work on his interviewing skills with Rob:), which is what he’s doing).

    I found a lot of the comments deplorable and unnecessary. Many were difficult to follow and negative.

    I just wanted to reach out and thank the SDB community, and in particular Rob for keeping this realm respectful (yet at times assertive), inquisitive, smart and neighbourly.

    So to all of you, cheers and here’s to a celebratory draft and beyond! Brad from Calgary.

    • 503Hawk says:

      Always good to hear from our neighbors to the north. I saw that article also and I echo your sentiments.

    • GerryG says:

      For some reason I have never been able to view the comments on SB blogs. I have not lost any sleep over it.

  11. Coach says:

    Could we make a case that O line and D line are two of the positions that we have the most depth at right now though?

    The way I see it, I’m hoping we can strengthen positions that seem to be worse off with our first 5 picks.

    For example:
    RB
    EDGE
    TE
    CB
    OLB
    S (if we trade Earl)

    Too bad the Raiders didn’t cut Irvin like they were rumored to be thinking about. That would have filled a need.

    Go Hawks!

    • GerryG says:

      Well personally I consider EDGE DL, so if you meant DT is strong in depth I agree.

      I love Price, but yeah the depth on OL is pretty good comparative to RB, LB, TE, DE/EDGE.

      S to me is ok even with an ET trade, we have a bunch on the roster

  12. Hawkfan086 says:

    Saw this Rob…

    “First and foremost, Seattle HAS NEVER AT ANY POINT asked for a 1st and 3rd. Thats simply FACTUALLY inaccurate. Earl Thomas could be had RIGHT NOW by Dallas for their 2nd rd pick this year(50th) and a 3rd rd next year. I am not speaking blindly I am going off someone well respected , the ONLY person who is truely “dialed in” to the Cowboys(if you listen to national reporters when Comes to Cowboys, you arent getting “facts”) who knows what prior discussions with the two teams were about .
    The “compensation” side of things, was all but agreed upon. The 50th pick in this years draft and a 3rd rd next year, would have landed Thomas. The issue was Thomas asking for an immediate extension paying him no less than top 2 safety money. Cowboys were not ready to agree to that just yet. Thats LITERALLY the main reason a deal didnt take place over a month ago. Dallas wasnt going to pull the trigger on that deal, give away two “starters” basically without knowing 100% they woukd be able to lock down Thomas long term because he is free to walk this summer and no way going to give up TWO starting players/premium pick for a rental. THAT is the facts surrounding this.
    Again seattle has NEVER insisted on a 1st and 3rd . That story is 92so so far from reality”

    • Simo says:

      On the surface this makes sense, as no team wants to make a deal of this magnitude without being able to comfortably lock the player down long term. Giving up a 2nd and 3rd is a big deal, although not sure you can definitely say they would be giving away 2 starters. Even 2nd and 3rd rounders are not guaranteed to become starters.

      It also shouldn’t really have surprised Dallas, or anyone, that ET wants a big money extension. That has been well reported, and seems consistent with his own actions.

      Let’s get this thing done already! If Dallas can’t/won’t swing it, then time for Jax to jump in with their late 1st!!

  13. CharlieTheUnicorn says:

    I was thinking about a wacky scenario

    What would happen if you Trade ET for a 1st round and some change….
    Let’s say Dallas with the #19 pick. Then, would/could/should Seattle move up in the draft with a first and a future 2nd (for example) and grab local UW player DT Vita Vea? Then with the other pick, they could slide down the draft and pick up some 2nd and or 3rd round picks and get some value (Price would be a tremendous value in the early 2nd round).

    I was reading an article about him earlier today… he is a “grown man” on the football field.

    • Sea Mode says:

      1. We don’t even have a R2 pick next year to trade…

      2. But even setting that aside, I think the whole point of Rob’s article goes to re-affirm once again that the value in this draft is in R2. So down, down, down we should go (trade).

      3. Plus, even though Vea is a stud, we don’t have a big hole at DT like we do at other positions (especially if we do trade Earl).

      • DCD2 says:

        First off, I love Vea.

        But, everything Sea Mode said, plus the fact that no one will be giving us a 1st for ET (time to accept that and see if a 2nd is even in play).

        I have usually been mildly annoyed by us trading down every time we do, but this year I will be beside myself if we don’t. If we somehow managed to get an extra #1, we should trade down with that too and not think twice. Honestly, I don’t think we can have enough draft picks this year and I would really not like to be in this position again next year by trading yet another future pick.

  14. Old but Slow says:

    Somebody talk me down. It occurred to me that we might sign and trade ET. Would another team find it easier if the terms were known? A lot of unknowns if the player you acquire is unsigned and has expectations.

    While the trade team (Dallas?), would likely like their own terms, if the money is set, it is easier to plan for.

    Upside, is that if it falls through, we’ve got Earl for another 3 years, and that’s OK with me.

    • C-Dog says:

      I think it kinda feels like so long as Earl gets the $ he wants, it may not matter to him where he plays, he just wants the $ and guarantees. I think if a deal is in place of compensation, it’s up for the team trading for him to negotiate the contract. I don’t think Seattle wants to agree to a deal with him and then have the team pull out, or suddenly haggle for lesser compensation, especially after the Jeremy Lane to Houston ordeal. This is where I think Cleveland could end up with him. I suspect while Earl would probably want to play for Dallas, ultimately he wants the biggest contract he can get, and likely thinks which ever team acquires his services is going to have a top defense and be in contention.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Interesting thought, but sign and trades just don’t happen in the NFL because of how signing bonuses work (even if traded, the original team eats the cap hit for the bonus in full either all at once or prorated) and because the team acquiring him would need to fit him into their cap picture and spread out the hits differently anyway.

      Plus, it’s not like you could deceive ET and his agent and get them to sign a contract with some weird structure set up for a trade. If it’s gonna happen, all three parties (Seattle, ETIII, and new team) need to be in agreement.

    • Chris says:

      We’d be on the hook for any signing bonus, won’t happen for that reason alone unfortunately.

  15. C-Dog says:

    I gotta say, if Seattle were to trade back with Cleveland and pick up Price at 33 and Nandi at 64, I’d be pretty darn happy with both those moves.

    With Nandi, Hurst and Poona Ford, it seems like they are looking for someone to work inside who is going to win with quicks and leverage. Gotta think that Tim Settle, BJ Hill, Justin Jones and Harrison Phillips would be of interest.

  16. mac says:

    I’m still kind of mad that we didn’t nab what I thought were the best coaches available for our team or really make an effort.

    Offensive Co. Scott Frost
    Offensive Line Co. Harry Hiestand from Notre Dame

    It is something that worries me going into the future that some of these premium coaches will have been nabbed when Pete hangs it up.

    I would be fine with the Price selection, I just think it would be funny if our line in 2019 turned out:
    LT Duane Brown
    LG George Fant (former basketball/LT)
    C Justin Britt (former T)
    RG Billy Price (former C)
    RT Ethan Pocic (former C)

    In only a couple more years our line might be all former Centers lol

    • drewdawg11 says:

      Frost is a college coach who just took his dream job. He’s not thinking NFL at this point in his career. His offense is like Chip Kelly’s, (he was a coach under chip). We all saw how that worked in the NFL.

    • vrtkolman says:

      There will always be premium coaches to pick from, every year.

    • DAWGfan says:

      Solari is one of the top O-line coaches in the NFL. And Frost has never coached in the NFL, terrible fit scheme wise as well

  17. Awsi Dooger says:

    I don’t believe Billy Price will drop as far as expected. He’s been rated too high for too long. It wasn’t an injury that derails careers or should impact his 2018 season. He misses March and April and May. Big deal. That only changes your career if you are a racehorse.

  18. Jlkresse7 says:

    Hey Rob great work per usual. Still haven’t heard your opinion on Jaylen Samuels. I see him as a “all football guy” who could start out as a complimentary back to carson but could eventually step into a starting role if need be. Keep up the good work.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Really like his versatility lining up at FB who can both run the ball or catch it. Just wish he could lead block as well like Reece.

      Thought long about him at the top of R4 in my latest mock draft.

      Haven’t listened to interviews of him yet, so I’m glad to hear you think he’s “all football”.

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        He’s very much the “I’ll play anywhere” type

        • ChrisClem says:

          RB/FB/TE.. His versatility can be seen as a weakness or a strength. I tend to think the Seahawks will see it as a strength. He needs to find his role though, and a blocking/catching FB might be his best chance to succeed. I would prefer a bigger FB like Khalid Hill though.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think as a runner he looked average in college and while he has some versatile qualities, it’s hard to work out what he’ll actually be at the next level.

  19. SebA says:

    Rob, do you think Byron Jones switching from FS to CB for the Cowboys, along with cutting Dez to save some money down the line, points to an imminent Earl Thomas trade? Or is it all smoke and mirrors?

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      Where there’s smoke, there’s fire, right?

      I don’t think we can ignore the possibility.

      • SebA says:

        Very true. I feel bad for saying this, but I’d much rather get some value out of Earl now and let McDougald and Maurice Alexander/Delano Hill/Tedric Thompson/a 2018 draft pick start at safety. I love the guy and what he’s done for this team, but we are in a ‘re-tool’/transition, and may as well lean into it.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think it points to Dallas ‘wanting’ to do a trade. For some reason they’ve backed themselves into a corner though by revealing that information and cutting Bryant when they did. Somehow, from the jaws of victory, they seem to have handed the Seahawks some leverage.

      • Mark Souza says:

        I think that further strengthens the idea that a deal for Earl is in work. Why would you tip your hand that you’re taking a WR at #19 unless you absolutely had to to create cap space for Earl?

        • FuzzyLogic says:

          So we can expect the Earl trade with Dallas to be in the next few days? Don’t hold your breath.

  20. ChrisClem says:

    Thanks for all the work you do Rob! You make this time of year so exciting. I can not believe you have time for both a family and a real job outside the blog. I have friends who are not fans of the Seahawks who checks in here every day to get their draft content. Every Seahawk fan is lucky to have you!

    A little of topic.. Have you watched Tarvarius Moore (S from USM)? From what I have seen and heard he could be a pretty good player. He didn’t get an invite to the combine, which could give him a chip on his shoulder. From what I understand he seems to be rising on draft boards, but he still might be a day 3 guy. He can do a lot of the things Earl does; he’s lighning fast and is works from sideline to sideline. His tackling looks pretty good. He has good height and length, and with his range and instincts I think he has the potential to be a quality player in this system. If Earl gets traded I am sure McDougald would get the first stab at FS, and Moore would probably need time anyway. But he could be a starter down the line?

    • Trevor says:

      He is definitely a guy to keep an eye on depending on what the Hawks think about the young guys they have on the roster.

      I have only seemed limited tape on him but what I have seen is really good. Definitely an under rated guy.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I haven’t I’m afraid. Will try to watch some of his stuff this week.

      Thanks for the kind words too 👍🏻

      • Mark Souza says:

        Good news – he runs 4.32, 38.5 vertical, 11′ 1″ broad, 33+” arms. He’s explosive. There is something there to work with.

        Bad news – he needs a lot of work. From the video (linked below) he frequently takes bad angles. Seems to be a willing tackler who comes up well on outside plays, but seems hesitant to get into the fray on inside running plays, and instead waits for the play to come to him seemingly hoping someone else will make the play and he won’t need to get involved. Doesn’t seem to be aware of what’s going on behind him, which is even more disturbing because as a FS there shouldn’t be anything behind you.

        Good news, the video is of a game against FSU and he doesn’t look out of place playing with the big boys. He is also a big hitter, provided the player he’s hitting is about the same size or smaller, but is a lot more reticent when it come to hitting bigger players. See the video below and judge for yourselves.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8GvBk0xRNE

  21. I like Billy Price tee shirt he puts out ALL GRIT NO QUIT.

  22. Largent80 says:

    Quite possibly the McDowell pick may have re-shaped the way they approach the draft. With new coordinators everywhere on the team I’m pretty sure they are getting a very clear message of who they must take in this draft.

    Getting one of the top OG’s that will be there for a decade seems like an obvious choice along with a top RB, as many have pointed out defense can be had later this year.

  23. Sea Mode says:

    Some good news from yesterday (unless you were hoping he would fall to us later):

    Ian Rapoport
    @RapSheet

    #Wisconsin CB Nick Nelson had successful surgery to fix his torn meniscus today, and he received good news in the process. Dr. James Andrews did not need to fully repair the meniscus — he trimmed it & cleaned it out. That means recovery is 6 weeks, not 3-4 months. Ready for camp.

    9:37 AM – 17 Apr 2018

  24. 503Hawk says:

    On Thursday, April 19th, the NFL will reveal its entire regular season schedule for 2018. (Field Gulls)
    Oh boy! Then the draft a week later.

  25. 503Hawk says:

    https://www.seattlepi.com/sports/seahawks/article/Seahawks-underwhelmed-in-last-5-drafts-Pro-12838138.php
    Pretty damning article. Personally, JSPC need to restore my confidence in their talent evaluation abilities.

    • Greg Haugsven says:

      Those 13 and 14 drafts were brutal. Only Britt survived. The jury is still out on the others.

      • Lewis says:

        The roster was absolutely stacked with talent, though. That’s at least part of the reason why so few remain, imo.

  26. Georgia Hawk says:

    Look Rob, I don’t know who authorized this “family time” in FL, but this is crunch time. You need to be at your computer 18 hours a day!

    J/k brother, you deserve the vacation. You put tons of work into this blog with little recognition. Enjoy the time with your family!

    ** SGA** Dole whip at Magic Kingdom is divine, and Chef Mickey’s, while a tad on the expensive side, is well worth it for the kids and avoiding character lines.

    Back to Hawk Talk: How much stock do you put in the QB visits and interest? I even saw a mock on Field Gulls that had them taking Lamar Jackson at #18 (I know there were rules on it, but still). With 1 QB drafted in the 9 years they’ve been there, what do you think the chances of PC/JS actually drafting a QB are?

    • SebA says:

      Even with the Austin Davis signing, the answer has to be ‘the highest it’s been in that period’, especially with what Rob’s been saying about it being prudent to have someone just in case with a potential Wilson contract extension coming up. The Eagles effect will probably push more teams to make their backup QB more of a priority investment than it may have been previously.

      • Georgia Hawk says:

        Generally my thoughts as well. I’m not sold on Davis being a viable backup. Would love to see some young blood in there that can realistically compete for the backup spot.

        • Greg Haugsven says:

          Dole Whip is like a drug. Once you have it you must have it all the time.

        • SebA says:

          Oh I totally agree, I hate how milquetoast most backup QBs are, I’d much rather have someone like Boykin over Davis. These milquetoast backup QBs do stay out of trouble, however…

    • 503Hawk says:

      “Look Rob, I don’t know who authorized this “family time” in FL, but this is crunch time. You need to be at your computer 18 hours a day!

      Ha, Ha. I loved the witty humor! 🙂

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think there’s a decent chance they draft a QB but it’ll depend on acquiring more picks. Lauletta and Falk might go too early. If that’s the case, they might pass again.

      Thanks for the tips for Orlando 👍🏻

  27. Logan Lynch says:

    The Seahawks official website posted some Day 1 photos of OTAs. If you remember, I like to scope those out and see if I can glean any info from them. A few quick observations:

    -Prosise is actually participating and not injured. He looks to be in great shape.

    -Carson looks yoked. He “wins coming off the bus” as Pete likes to say.

    -Jarran Reed looks lean. I’m wondering if he’s under 300lb now, seriously. Like 295 range. Maybe they’ll have him put more weight on before the season, but as of now he looks svelte. More pass rush maybe?

    -I swear Kam is in the background in one picture. Not that he’s actually participating, but having him be engaged and being somewhat of a player-coach could be beneficial.

    I’ll check back periodically for more, but here’s one bonus: Thorpe’s hair is still out of control.

    • C-Dog says:

      I think Reed still has pass rush potential. I could also see them drafting Nandi to play 1T and moving Reed to 3T. I’ve always thought Reed had 3T potential. I thought he was noticeably quicker last year and if he looks even slimmer, that’s interesting.

      • Logan Lynch says:

        I was wondering about the same thing. Wasn’t one of the MIN DT that they signed primarily a 1T also? Not that he would be a starter there, but a rotational piece for sure. I’ll post the link to the full photo gallery in case anyone is interested.

        https://www.seahawks.com/photos/seahawks-2018-offseason-workout-program-april-17

        • C-Dog says:

          I think Shamar can play 1T and 3T, but Carroll said probably an early down 3T is his role. When asked about Reed, he said something to the effect of Nose for now, but could change if they add someone else. I kinda thought that meant Bennie Logan, but maybe it means a day two player in the draft. Makes Nandi all the more interesting.

    • Look Who's Hawkin says:

      I’m 99% sure that’s Kam. Picture is blurry but it looks exactly like him. There’s also a picture of him lifting (or a player that looks exactly like him) but it’s from a side/behind angle.

      • Logan Lynch says:

        Good to know I’m not the only one who thinks so. Not that it means anything if he’s lifting with the team since he’s still under contract. It’s nice to see him sticking around though.

  28. Mike says:

    I love Price. If he’s drafted what does that mean for Britt’s future?

    • Logan Lynch says:

      I would assume Price plays G. I believe he only played C as a senior and was a G the previous 3 seasons.

      • Greg Haugsven says:

        Thats correct, Pocic could play center as well so versatility is a good word for Price and Pocic.

      • James says:

        Yep, Elflein played C at Ohio State the previous couple of seasons, and Price at OG, then Price moved to C for his senior year. Would love to have him on the team, but I’m not convinced he would have the greatest impact toward winning, as opposed to a DE, WR or CB?

        • Greg Haugsven says:

          Yeah Britt has a $6.2 million cap hit this year and a $7.9 in 2019 but it balloons to $11.6 in 2020. That could mean Pocic or a potential Price move to center.

  29. madmark says:

    I’ve read so much about this guy Billy Price other than 32″ arms he’s everything Seattle looks for in an offensive lineman. He’s a first round talent and if he dropped into the beginning of the 2nd round you have to pull the trigger and get him. Urban Meyers says he’s the best football player he ever coached and that high praise from him. He’s was compared to Mike Webster center of Pittsburg Steelers who I loved and that man played 15 years before he became a coach and then played a 16 year for the team he was coaching because of their need. A true hall of fame guy and if that’s what Billy Price can be I want him. We really need a LG and this guy could step in maybe not to start with but sometime during the season he could take over and play for a decade here. How far will he drop with a incomplete pectoral tear is the question. Seattle going to trade down and I expect a pick in the early 30″s and if he’s on the board I’d run to the podium.

    • Ed says:

      Yep. Could be all solid starting guard this year, then take over for Britt and save the next year.

  30. All I see is 12s says:

    People keep reporting that the Seahawks likely will not get a first round pick for Earl. However, why hasn’t this deal happened yet? It seems like they’ve had plenty of time to make this go, especially for day 2 picks. I keep holding out hope that perhaps the reason no announcement has been made is because Dallas is hosting the draft this year and will lose considerable steam (jerry will want to outdo philly- but let’s be honest, it’s going to be really hard for anybody to outdo Philly last year) if they don’t have a first round pick going into draft night. However if during the first round they make a “dramatic” trade for Thomas It seems that would still appease the fans.
    Hey, I can dream

    • hawktalker#1 says:

      IT’s still possible there is an “under wraps” trade in the works (or done) with Dallas and ET that Jerry doesn’t want released until it’s “showtime” and he can get a lot of PR bang for the bucks he is going to spend.

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      There was a comment above that Thomas expects a really good contract extension that pays him in the top range for safeties. Dallas doesn’t seem willing to pay that much – and based on the market for safeties this year they probably shouldn’t.

    • Look Who's Hawkin says:

      I’d be very surprised if they get a first, even though I do think that’s ET’s value. I think the bare minimum I could be happy with is a 2 and a 4. But I think a 2 and 3 or maybe a 2/3 + next year’s first would be good too. I just hope Seattle sticks to their guns and doesn’t accept a lowball offer because they think they have to. It seems I am in the minority, but I think we should extend Earl. Give him maybe a 3 year contract at top dollar. I understand it didn’t work out with Kam and Bennett, but I have long been of the belief that Earl is the 2nd most important player on the team behind Russ. The defense is just on a completely different level when he’s not there. I am okay with trading him if we can get a reasonable offer, but otherwise get an extension done. But I respect that a lot of other fans don’t share that opinion and are ready to move on.

    • madmark says:

      My thoughts on this is there still time and I really believe there is no way Jerry is giving up his 1st round pick when the draft will be in Dallas this year. The cowboys have 10 picks this year so far. Numbers #19, #50, #81, #116, #137, #171, #192, #193, #208, and #236. I be willing to take #50 and #137 [which is last pick of 4th round ,comp}and a 3rd next year. This would work for me and I think it make everyone happy. My other thought about Cleveland giving up 2 2nd round picks plus maybe a later 3rd just doesn’t pan out to me. They have more holes to fill and they currently have only 9 picks. They have a #1, #4, #33, #35, #64, #112, #150, #175, #205. Unless this 3 way deal happens I just don’t see them trading 3 picks away to us for #18. It reaslly doesn’t matter I still see Seattle trading out to beginning of the 2nd round but with who and what for I have no clue. Just some thoughts.

    • madmark says:

      Hehe I was listen to sports writer from Philadelphia, nickname El Umbra that joins ESPN radio at Tuesday 1:00 PST and he was talking about the draft and how last year how the philly fans Boo Drew Pearson. He said they should have Ron Jaworski come out with the Lombardi trophy to announce their 1st round pick. It was great show

    • Del tre says:

      Yeah, if Ridley is gone they probably have more interest in trading for Earl/back for more picks then Earl, Dallas isn’t going to choose a wide receiver like Sutton, Dak Dak would struggle in the exact same ways he did with Dez Bryant, guys like that need QBs like Rodgers who can place the ball and always make the right kind of throw. Dak will get the ball there but does his receivers no favors on 50/50 balls. They would be better served grabbing Ridley or Kirk they’ll want a guy who can separate over a receiver that has to elevate to make the catch.
      I don’t know why the blog latched onto a trade value proposed by a Dallas Cowboys homer, but you might as well keep Earl if #50 is all thats on the table. I think its far more likely we see him go for #19, Dallas wants to win now and they know they have a better chance now than they do after they pay Dak and Zeke. Make no mistake Earl brings that roster into contention with the Eagles, that way they can spend 50 on a defensive lineman and get the safety presence they need.
      If JS were willing to give up Earl for a second round pick it probably would have already happened, that’s a steal for an All Pro.

      • EBurgz says:

        Right?!

        I’d do 50 and a first or second next year. Otherwise Better cough up that first round pick if you want ET. Unbelievable how some hawks fans view his value. Even first round picks are 50/50 chances, earl is a game changer every Sunday for atleast the next couple years.

        Can we just pay dude a 3 year 40M extension with 25M guaranteed? Does that not work for everyone?

  31. James says:

    The Seahawks biggest needs in this draft are DE/Leo, CB, WR, RB and LB. It appears that an elite DE/Leo may still be there at #18, but not available if Seattle trades down. I remain unconvinced that the best strategy is to pass over an elite prospect in return for a lesser pick in R2 (vs who could have been had R1) plus a R3 pick. I would stay put and hope John can do his magic in the middle rounds to find the CB, WR and RB, but I’m not holding my breath…

    • hawktalker#1 says:

      Just don’t thank Seattle is up for picking at #18 and then waiting through 100+ picks until they get to their second pick. Also they are traditionally in the trade down business anyway, so this just makes it even more likely, like it or not . . .

    • Rob Staton says:

      An “elite” LEO or DE will not be there at 18.

      Bradley Chubb is the only one in the draft.

    • Look Who's Hawkin says:

      I think there’s a 90+ % chance that they trade down. BUT if by some chance they do end up picking at 18, I think the only 2 players I would feel okay about drafting there are Harold Landry and Leighton Vander Esch (unless of course one of the presumed top 10 falls i.e. Vita Vea, Tremaine Edmunds etc.) I could maybe be talked into liking Davenport, but anyone else I just don’t think the value justifies using that pick. Gotta trade back and get multiple picks in that sweet spot.

      • hawktalker#1 says:

        Without an ET trade, I think there’s about a 99.5% chance of trade down, regardless of who is there at #18. Waiting another 100+ selections for their second pick, doubtful.

    • GerryG says:

      My feeling is if you trade ET, then you can pick at 18, if there was a DL you had rated highly that somehow slipped.

      No ET trade you have to trade down.

  32. AlaskaHawk says:

    I was looking around on the internet for more info about Dallas Cowboys talking to Earl Thomas and didn’t find anything. I did find this interesting speculation about the Cowboys trading down in the first round, to the bottom of the first. They speculated that the Cowboys could go for one of these three players (also of interest to the Seahawks if they fell into their range)

    Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama
    The Cowboys need linebacker help after starter Anthony Hitchens left in free agency. Dallas still isn’t sure Jaylon Smith can return to his pre-injury form. Evans thrives sideline to sideline and can rush the passer. The Cowboys sent their coaching staff and scouts to Alabama last month to get a closer look at Evans and others.

    Harold Landry, DE, Boston College
    The Cowboys need to find that special right-side defensive end to pair with DeMarcus Lawrence. Landry has elite athletic skills to excel as an edge rusher. He’s undersized (6-3, 252 pounds) and might not be the best scheme fit, but he has room to add size and strength and could eventually develop into one of this year’s best linemen.

    Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU
    Sutton is projected to go either late in the first round or early in the second. He lacks exceptional speed but makes up for it with his 6-3 size and strength that gives him the ability to outmuscle cornerbacks for the ball.

    • Rowlandice says:

      Well how about we trade 18 for what we can get AND Dallas does the same with their 19? Jerry would have more picks to trade for Earl AND get some players they’re targeting as well. And of course making Cowboy picks in their own stadium will be an exhausting display of hype for their team.

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      I wouldn’t mind if the Seahawks traded down and then picked Rashaaan Evans. He has impressed me in the games I’ve watched. It sounds funny to pick a linebacker when you consider Seahawks needs, I just think that linebackers do so much to hold the defense together. They are the glue between the line and secondary, giving you that full coverage. Not only is there and immediate need but that would become even more important if one of the other starters goes down.

  33. Thy Hawk is Howling says:

    I’d be happy with Billy Price we were talking about how he might not even be an option before he tore his pectoral. So if you could get him in the 40’s he might be the best Value in the entire draft.

    Play him at guard this year as he gets acclimated to the NFL and he could take over for Justin Britt next year? I’m thinking Justin Britt has improved obviously but is he woth 9-10 million to be average? Yes I am aware of the Offense Line Issues that Rob has explained in the NFL because of Non-pro style offensives in the College ranks.

    Getting Wynn or Price would do so much for this offense.

    Is it more the Offensive Line or the Runner’s that is the issue?
    Well I definitely can say the pass Protection was awfully depressing last year. I remember sitting there during our First Game against Green Bay and Russel could barely even get a pass off! I was expecting to dominate last year because I always believe in the Power of Wil, Russell Wilson! He has come back so many times it’s truly amazing and we are so fortunate he’s our guy. Some of us fanatics take him for granted and he is well worth 30 Million a year. I was hoping since he is Team First and a Man of Christian Faith that he would be more like his “Lord Jesus” and be a Man of humbleness, and thankfulness and take considerably less then top pay for a Franchise Quarterback to benefit his teammates financially, and Team have a stronger roster.

    Behold my hopes were wrong but I’ve never felt the affects when one is handed a cavern of Gold. Wealth and Power can make greedy even the most frugal Man I’m sure. We shall see if he has become content and I’m not holding any hope’s as I was before.

    It’s his choice and his right, how much is enough? One Billion or two Billion, or be the First Trillionare and be a Mortal god among zMen. I feel in my Heart he will help people with his resources for he seems Sincerely a Good Man. I want to believe all People are good and Kind somewhere deep inside.

    Anyway

    Go Team!

  34. Kenny Sloth says:

    Rob, do you like Zlatan Ibrahimovic? He’s turning LA upside down right now in terms of soccer culture

    Totally different from Beckham’s arrival

    • Sea Mode says:

      I like his interviews and hilarious quotes… hahahaha. 🙂 🙂 🙂

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        He’s got star power on another level from anything the US has seen.

        He’s really embracing the Hollywood atmosphere and they’re embracing him right back.

    • SoCal12 says:

      He just fits LA so well. His first MLS game was like something straight out of Hollywood.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Yep, always liked Zlatan.

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        The most seahawky futboller in the world

        • Greg Haugsven says:

          Especially after his goalazo a couple weeks ago. Dudes still a beast at 37.

          • Greg Haugsven says:

            The Sounders need some infusion once the transfer window opens this year. They almost pulled off a good one last year.

            • Kenny Sloth says:

              Their management needs a swift kick.

              F****** be playin moneyball up here.

              He keeps a thin roster to overpay for every other spot. Then our golden boy from Mercer Island goes down and we wonder why we’ve no depth.

              If we dropped that joke of a salary cap, we might see some good football round this country.

              Zlatan came to LA for like a pittance compared to his worth.

              MLS financial rules are DUMBUH

    • H says:

      Who doesnt love Zlatan? man’s been one of the most exciting footballers of the last decade.
      In the actual Swedish dictionary “zlatanera” is a word which means “to dominate”
      LA was such a good choice for him

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        That word was made because of him you’re saying “to zlatan”.

        Ibra means gold in Balkan language apparently though.

        Who doesnt love Zlatan? Ask Oguchi Onyewu!!

  35. RWIII says:

    Rob: Just curious what range do the Hawks like for their offensive tackles?

  36. RWIII says:

    Rob: What I meant was. What range for the “arm length” do the Hawks look for in their offensive tackles. Sorry about the confusion.

    BTW: Is their anyway this forum can be set up so that we can edit our postings.

  37. Kenny Sloth says:

    Walter Football reporting Rasheem Green in Seattle for a private after all

    • GerryG says:

      They are really doing their homework on DL.

      I know this team has lots of needs, but I would love it to come out of this draft with 3-4 of these guys

      • Coleslaw says:

        I disagree on coming out with more than 2 DL this year, because ( sorry to harp) next year’s class is insane.
        One thing I haven’t brought up or seen discussed is how many teams are thinking they can wait on DL till next year? That could cause some really good players to fall. I expect it to have at least some impact on where DL go.

        • madmark says:

          I’m looking at next year to draft a Damon Harris RB Alabama was disappointed he stayed for his senior year.

          • Lewis says:

            Damien Harris, and hell yes, though I worry he will go too early if he has an awesome year. Would happily take him over anyone at any position in this draft.

      • Coleslaw says:

        Furthermore, if they came out of the 2018-2019 season with no needs on the DL, the back half of the 2019 1st round will have a lot of falling players due to all the DL going early.

    • C-Dog says:

      Love this.

    • RWIII says:

      Kenny. Yesterday I was thinking about Green. He seems to be a Michael Bennett type player. He can play all over, up and down the defensive line. I like him.

  38. Sea Mode says:

    Was thinking about waiting for the next article to post this, but I’ll just re-post anyway tomorrow. 😉

    Guys, what are we doing sleeping on the best ETIII replacement in the entire draft?! He’s right there under our noses alongside Kirk at A&M. And what if I told you we could likely get him in R3! It’s Armani Watts.

    Who are the FS Seattle has drafted? Ballhawks. Playmakers. Earl had 8 INT his final year at Texas. Tedric Thompson had 7 INT and 16 PBU. Speed is nice, but they are most concerned about finding guys who get their hands on the ball, because it shows that they put in the film room time and know how to read defenses and anticipate.

    Armani had 4 INT, 5 PBU, 2 FF, 10 TFL, and 2 blocked kicks his senior year. He’s a ballhawk who impacts the course of games in many ways and has a knack for coming up big in big moments.

    Someone was also asking yesterday who could bring some boom back to our secondary. Look no further.

    Here comes the physical comp:
    Earl T: 5102, 208, 31 1/4 arm, 9 3/8 hand, 4.37 40yd, 9’5″ broad, 32 vert, 21 bench, N/A SS, N/A 3C
    Watts: 5104, 202, 31 0/4 arm, 8 3/4 hand, 4.64 40yd, 10’0 broad, 35 vert, 13 bench, 4.37 SS, 7.25 3C

    Armani skipped the 40yd at the combine. He was coming off an injury and probably not back at his best yet. Earl also chose to skip the agility drills at both combine and pro day. May I also remind everybody that Earl ran a 4.49 40yd at the combine. Bad runs can happen. Even if he hadn’t bettered his time at his pro day, when you look at the tape you knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no way he plays at that speed.

    I’m arguing the same for Armani. Watch these highlights and judge for yourselves. He plays FAST:

    Armani Watts Ultimate Highlight Video ᴴᴰ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArJujF7Grbw

    Tell me he doesn’t remind you of Earl in so many ways: jumping routes, rangy and athletic INTs (see 3:51 mark again!) and sideline hits to break up passes, giving off energy to teammates, goal line forced fumbles to save TDs, bone-jarring hits, elite closing speed.

    Even the big knock on Watts is the same as Earl: tackling. He often lunges full speed at the ball carrier and doesn’t always wrap up. But just as with Earl, that is something that can be worked on with coaching, and you gladly trade the occasional missed tackle for the play-making ability he brings. Tape vs. Tennessee 2016 is on YouTube and is a perfect example of this.

    And he’s a cool, laid back, big smile dude in interviews (stark contrast to intensity on the field). Video of him dancing with the Reese’s Cup mascot at SR Bowl. Interview I liked most was “Full Interview: A&M DB Armani Watts at Senior Bowl” on YT.

    He’s not an Earl “clone” (and who can we realistically expect to be?), but I think he could definitely be a worthy Earl replacement and compete soon for the starting FS job (which he won when given the opportunity in his true freshman year). I’m intrigued to see what he could do under PC’s guidance.

    Let me know what you think!

      • JimQ says:

        Another later round FS to keep an eye on is FS-Jeremy Reaves, So. Alabama, 5-105/204,
        Plays Deep safety very well, can also play closer to LOS, + ball skills, + CB experience. Sun Belt conference 1-st team & DPOY -2017. (He does play sideline to sideline & the deep field well, however he may not have elite long speed, he makes up for it with instinctive play and is pretty quick in short areas.)

        2017: 12-games, 104-tkls, 70-solo, 7.0-TFL, 1.5-sacks, 3-INT, 8-PD, 2-FR, 3-FF
        Career: 45-games, 301-tkls, 208-solo, 20.5-TFL, 1.5-sacks, 8-INT, 22-PD, 2-FR, 8-FF.

        “”Reaves is probably the most like-for-like player to Earl Thomas in this draft class. It goes without
        saying that he’s a much poorer-man’s version, however he’s severely underrated by top media
        evaluators right now””. Per: https://hawktalk.net/2018-safeties-top-15-prospects-seahawks/

        The Falcons seem to like him a lot I hear. https://boards.atlantafalcons.com/topic/4061328-jeremy-reeves-fs-south-alabama/

        • Rob Staton says:

          Unless I’m mistaken, Reeves had a pretty average/bad pro-day. Ran like a 4.65 or something. They already have a free safety running that type of time.

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      Great write-up

      A player that I have liked with lots of production was Deshon Elliott at Texas

      I’ve started to believe he’s a little overrated, but if we’re looking at productive players, Elliott had a bunch of really smart baits and was hard to throw against in Texas’ Cover 2.

      • DCD2 says:

        I noticed something in that highlight reel… that was done before last year. His senior year highlights weren’t even in there.

        Looks like another baller. Nice find Sea Mode and JimQ.

        Not sure if we’d be willing to spend the pick to get another safety, but he looks like he can play.

        Scouting report calls him feast or famine, which makes me a wonder what the famine looked like. I’ve only watched a couple of highlight video’s, and those always look good.

    • Nick says:

      Will have to look him up. Great analysis!

  39. Kenny Sloth says:

    Building on Seamode building on JimQ;

    passes defended leaders in 2018 draft only included bigger names int+defl
    Josh Jackson 26
    Nick Nelson 21
    Arrion Springs 19
    Levi Wallace 18
    Denzel Ward 17
    Isaiah Oliver 16
    Deshon Elliott 15
    Greg Stroman 15

  40. JimQ says:

    There is a very interesting 7-round mock by PFF multiple analysts up at the link below. It is very interesting to read the write-ups for all 250+ players selected in their mock. I came away with some useful PFF stats/rankings, etc. that I was previously unaware of. This is just one more tool for the player evaluation process. Great read (even if it’s PFF) too.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-pffs-2018-live-seven-round-all-analyst-mock-draft?utm_source=PFF+Newsletter&utm_campaign=86bae5215e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_04_18&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ae3f4210bf-86bae5215e-212854581

    • madmark says:

      Talk about over kill limited draft picks and they have them picking 3

      • madmark says:

        Ach us picking 3 CBs

        • Thy Hawk is Howling says:

          Thanks for that Jim!
          PFF had us take Isaiah Wynn at 18
          Second pick was another Georgia Bulldog WR I don’t remember his name I bet GeorgiaHawk knows he was the WR with 3 TDs in the College Playoffs?

          In the 4th we took our Running Back out of Notre Dame, Josh Adams.
          I don’t know anything about him? I don’t think any of you have really talked about him? I did a scouting report on Dante Pettis punt return ability, I think I want to be a scout when I grew up?
          Just Kidding why would I want to do that?
          Grow up?

          Go being Young at Heart Always

          Go Hawks

          • DCD2 says:

            I’ve mentioned Josh Adams a few times, but I think I’m the only one on the bandwagon (except for PFF, I guess!). Even I admit that the 4th seems a bit early. I would love to see him as our 2nd back taken, and would imagine that we can get him in the 6th or 7th.

            He had really great production against some grade A defenses. Granted he was running behind two 1st round OL, who might just be the best G and T in the draft.

            He’s tall for an RB, and has good speed. I wouldn’t say he does anything great, but his vision, power, decisiveness and speed all are good. I don’t think much of his jukes, but as a one cut back, we could do worse. He might have an injury history, as he wears a noticeable knee brace.

            • Thy Hawk is Howling says:

              Oh thanks for the info D2! Is it alright that I call you that, you already know why!

              PFF said he was I believe fouth best of all college Running backs for yards after contact, might have been missed tacks? Basically he must be ellusive, and with our Line we need more of that!

              I’m going to do what I do best, Do some Scouting! My trained eye’s never let me down I sent Ruskel my scouting report on Aaron Curry and he “Like, totally agreed “with me. You are welcome My fellow Hawk’s!

          • D-OZ says:

            R ob had something on Adams early in the year. They had us taking Michael Joseph, a player I really like.

        • JimQ says:

          Actually, I don’t really recall who the Seahawks picks were, because I got all wrapped up in reading the
          comments on all of the players, some good stuff in there to know about a lot of players. Can’t ever
          have enough information about players entering the draft. PFF tries to provide useful stats & rankings,
          even if some people may question their acumen, it’s still information that can help in player evaluations.

          • JimQ says:

            I liked seeing little nuggets like this:
            Pick #43, Washington Redskins, select RB-Rashaad Penney,
            “”Washington ball-carriers collectively graded second-worst last season as a unit and Penny has too many accolades to fully account for. He leads a strong running back draft class in breakaway percentage, percent not tackled on first contact (42.8 percent), and missed tackles forced on carries (80). The San Diego State product also can add value returning both kicks and punts, as he returned eight for touchdowns in his college career.”” The Seahawks RB’s must be in last place.
            —-I Just don’t understand why Penney isn’t getting more love, he would fit like a glove as a Seahawk IMO.

            • Thy Hawk is Howling says:

              Yeah I’m going to check him out more he is definitely intriguing! I’ve been into Football long enough to know Marshall Faulk went to San Diego State so it’s not like he can’t transition to the Pros.

              That article also said Guice had a career average of 6.6 yards a cary and 3.7 AFTER CONTACT That’s impressive and does sound Quiet Beastmode. I believe in Rob’s analysis though and he see’s more Thomas Rawls which is also good. Damn that up the Middle play against Baltimore great call Darrell!

              Jones
              Chubb
              K. Johnson
              Penny
              Guice

              We just have to get one of them, and then go back to the Running Back Keg and have a refill woth either Kelly, Wadely, and I’m a Husky’s fan so Lavon Coleman later on sounds nice like taco meat spice!

            • Lewis says:

              The mock itself is useless (Bradley Chubb at 13? Vea at 19?), but the little nuggets are definitely cool.

    • RWIII says:

      I have tons of respect for Profootballfocus. But it didn’t seem like Profootball was very focused on this mock draft. The only thing I can say is NO WAY.

      For example there is no way Seattle is going to take Isaiah Wynn at 18 NO WAY. Number 2 there is a very high probability the Hawks are going to trade out of 18. Etc. etc. etc. I could go on and on.

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        God…. I couldn’t even read that crap

        50% big time player which was number 12 in our rankings among underclassmen at the position.

        Had a 9.8% success rate when his team was winning.

        • Thy Hawk is Howling says:

          As soon as I saw Mayfield at #1 I immediately thought of you Kenny.

          Everytime I type your name I think of Cartman’s voice man. I’m sure you know what I mean.

  41. CharlieTheUnicorn says:

    Rob (and the gang)

    Did you see or hear the report that Micheal Bennett was reading books while PC was on stage talking to the team??? (multiple times I might add).

    Now you know why he was shipped out of town. This information lit up ESPN710 like a bon fire all afternoon. Dave Wyman was besides himself with the disrespect that showed to PC… and even after all of that, PC still backed MB during all the off-season stuff… or LV Police stuff earlier this season. I think the word ungrateful was used about 100x in 20 minutes.

    • 12th chuck says:

      I thought it was pretty disrespectful. I guess that’s what happens , when you strive to be the best, ( one can argue the best d of all time- lets face it they man handled the best o of all time) reach that goal. Boredom must have set in. Same with Sherman, saying pc is more fitted to be a coach on the collegiate level. smh

    • Hawk Eye says:

      It shows that the message of PC (and probably most coaches) gets stale and guys lose their focus.
      Have to keep turning over the roster, while keeping a few core believers. The tough part is which guys and when?
      Sherman raised some eyebrows last year when he talked about the “kumbaya moment”.

      I can see Kam, Bobby, K, Doug, all believing in what he preaches, probably Cliff. Not sure about Russ, he believes in himself (too much??). But I can see where they have to let go the older vets who have stop listening, because the young kids follow the leaders.

      based on the turnover of coaches and players, I can see the defense getting back to being a fast, swarming pesky group looking to make their mark. Which is exactly what Pete wants

      • Thy Hawk is Howling says:

        Hawk Eye!!! I always enjoy reading your Posts you are very Wise and Knowledgeable! I appreciate that you are straight forward and honest with your thoughts as am I. People misunderstand me quite often and I have a feeling you as well. That’s the Burden of being a thinker.

        Alot of the time I’m just making myself Laugh with my Posts especially when when they’re obviously silly.

        It’s obvious to me that Michael Bennett wanted out of Seattle. If not why would you dishonour Pete Carroll like that?I believe I can read people well and Pete definitely seems like a Good Bloke.

        No point in keeping someone around who doesn’t want to be where they are.

        • Hawk Eye says:

          Thanks Howling. Kind words indeed. Can you tell my wife about the wise and knowledgeable part? I don’t think she got the memo….
          Your posts are always entertaining, just keep being you. I like to say what I think, don’t really care who likes me or not. I prefer to be different, without trying, if that makes any sense. I have read at least 2000 books on history and international politics,, so I tend to have a different opinion on a lot of things.

          not sure Bennett wanted out of Seattle, but he did get too comfortable in his position and I think later on he will realize it. PC is a different kind of coach, he really seems to care for his players more than most coaches. I took his approach on how to do things to heart and use it myself. When he was fired in NE, he said he would do things his way the next time and not let others tell him how he should do things. If you are going to fail, at least do it doing it your way. Then you will know if your ideas are worthwhile or not. Learn your craft and then trust your instincts.

    • Coleslaw says:

      I try to give players the benefit of the doubt but Bennett is a guy that I just don’t like anymore. But gotta thank him for the super bowl

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think it’s appalling from Bennett.

      Every person gets bored at work. Most can’t just pull out a book and disrespect the boss.

      The Seahawks and Bennett were good for each other. But yes, time to move on. And no longing looks in his direction from here on in.

      • Hawk Eye says:

        somehow lost in this whole equation is how young all these guys actually are. We think of a 30 year old football player as mature, but 30 is very young. I did not have my first kid until I was 35, took me time to grow up. And they have more money than most of us can imagine and have been treated differently than most others since they were in high school. They have power that comes before most of us have some sort of worldly wisdom. I like what Sherman and Bennett have spoken out about on social issues, but both guys have also made bad choices on the field, sidelines, etc that show a side not as nice. They’re human, some good, some bad, some immature. But when we look at the mistakes many older “leaders” make, such as politicians, actors, CEO’s, etc, let’s remember how young these football players are. I don’t idolize any of them or put them on a pedestal, nor do I try too hard to knock them when they screw up.
        speaking of screwing up, glad to see Pete and John seeing where they screwed up and changing things up.
        Time to move on from those who don’t buy in, or cause a distraction that takes away from the focus of winning football games.

  42. Great article Rob. I’m just hoping we (Seattle) can take advantage of this talent in rounds 2 -5 and get those extra draft picks needed to reload the roster; with speedy, hungry players as well as those that will not read books during team meetings.

  43. Hawk Eye says:

    to the point that has been made by Rob and some others before, Pete’s message has a timeline that works in college because the players only stay 3 to 5 years. It will work in the pros if he does more roster churn. Look at NE, if you think PC’s message gets stale, how do you think players react to BB? Their high roster churn is part of their success. He gets Brady and a few other guys to buy in, the rest get rotated in and out and the new guys sacrifice in order to win. Most guys will only sacrifice for so long, listen to Amandola and Butler, Gronk. etc talk about “the Patriot way”.