Updated 2018 watch list: November 22nd

November 22nd, 2017 | Written by Rob Staton

#1 Saquon Barkley (RB, Penn State)
His production stalled for a while but that’s as much on Penn State as it is Barkley. He’s an explosive athlete and an incredible playmaker, destined for greatness. Puts points on the board as a runner, receiver and returner. Will join Fournette, Gurley and Elliott in a growing group of young studs at RB.

#2 Quenton Nelson (G, Notre Dame)
Only knocked off top spot by Saquon Barkley. Nelson is nasty at the LOS with the mobility and desire to pull and get to the second level. Just a fantastic football player. Guards go early if they’re good enough — Nelson certainly is.

#3 Tim Settle (DT, Virginia Tech)
Redshirt sophomore so might not declare but Settle is ready for the NFL. He’s 6-3 and 328lbs but moves like a 290lber. Fantastic pass rusher with the size to work against the run. Tremendous prospect.

#4 Josh Rosen (QB, UCLA)
There are question marks about his personality but on the field Rosen is a surgeon. He ticks every box — accuracy, poise, ability to make every throw. His talent is worth taking a chance on in the top five.

#5 Bradley Chubb (DE, NC State)
Sensational athlete with great bloodlines (Nick Chubb’s cousin). Carries 275lbs superbly, can round the tackle with speed but also sets the edge vs the run. Lively personality and big production at NC State.

#6 Christian Wilkins (DT, Clemson)
Sheldon Richardson type — a compact, energetic D-tackle. Wilkins isn’t Aaron Donald or Ndamukong Suh as a pass rusher but he just doesn’t stop. His motor keeps revving, making plays sideline-to-sideline and in pursuit.

#7 Minkah Fitzpatrick (S, Alabama)
Having a great year for Alabama. Capable of dropping down and covering the slot, physical enough to play man-to-man but with the range to play as a roaming safety. Doesn’t give up any plays. Not outspoken, a reserved leader.

#8 Lamar Jackson (QB, Louisville)
Jackson compares favourably to Michael Vick and there aren’t enough good QB’s in the league to ignore a talent like that. He’s shown development as a passer. It’s been Jackson vs the world this year at Louisville.

#9 Vita Vea (DT, Washington)
Rare nose tackle. Watch him live and he’ll wow you with how much ground he covers. Stout against the run, plugs holes but shifts around the field in pursuit like a much lighter D-liner. Cornerstone defender.

#10 Clelin Ferrell (DE, Clemson)
Shaq Lawson type who could play five technique or power end. 7.5 sacks this season and plays bigger than his listed 6-5 and 260lbs. Might not be a sack specialist at the next level but will tie up an end.

#11 Baker Mayfield (QB, Oklahoma)
Sparky character and won’t appeal to the stuffed-shirt element in the NFL. More open minded coaches and scouts will see a playmaker who is adept at improvisation and keeping things alive. Accurate, in control. Will be very good.

#12 Damien Harris (RB, Alabama)
Underrated back who is averaging 8.2 YPC this year. Much better athlete than people realise — his Nike SPARQ combine matched Bryce Love’s despite carrying a lot more weight. A bit stiff stretching plays out wide but he’s fantastic at breaking off big north-south runs given a crease. Great in pass pro too.

#13 Taven Bryan (DE, Florida)
Florida’s season has collapsed and it’s tempered some of the attention their only genuine pro-prospect deserves. Bryan can play inside or out and wins with power and speed. Fun player to watch and his best football should come at the next level.

#14 Nick Chubb (RB, Georgia)
Bradley Chubb’s cousin and he’s basically a 225lbs version of the NC State pass rusher. Fantastic athlete pre-injury but looking back to his best now. Very serious individual. If the medical checks are fine and he matches his 2013 Nike SPARQ performance at the combine, he’ll go very early.

#15 Kerryon Johnson (RB, Auburn)
Another really underrated running back. Johnson has taken Auburn to a new level with his tough running style. He’s a great athlete once touted to play defensive back. Long legged runner similar to Chris Carson. Has a similar running style. One to watch this weekend in the Iron Bowl vs Alabama.

#16 Mike McGlinchey (T, Notre Dame)
Completely shut down Harold Landry when Notre Dame faced Boston College. That tape will be poured over by scouts and coaches in the off-season. Maybe won’t show to be a fantastic athlete at the combine but that wasn’t a problem for Taylor Decker.

#17 Maurice Hurst (DT, Michigan)
In a fairly middling season for Michigan, Hurst has been a real bright spot. Wins as a three technique and consistently disruptive. These types of players aren’t readily available and that should ensure Hurst goes early.

#18 Anthony Miller (WR, Memphis)
Miller is having a fantastic year and has a little OBJ to his playing style. A yardage and touchdown machine, Miller is appointment viewing. Fantastic backstory will appeal to teams — Miller has shown tremendous grit as a former walk-on.

#19 Billy Price (C, Ohio State)
Not a million miles behind Quenton Nelson. Price could play guard or center at the next level. Tenacious blocker who loves to get to the second level. Both Nelson and Price are aggressive, active and have the kind of mean streak teams will love.

#20 Connor Williams (T, Texas)
He’s back from his knee injury and has a chance to end the season strongly. There aren’t enough good left tackles in the league so Williams has a shot to go very early if he declares for the 2018 draft. Very athletic.

#21 Derrius Guice (RB, LSU)
Guice’s 2016 tape carried a lot of excitement. He was lightning quick, physical and explosive. 2017 has been a bit of a disappointment despite a couple of really good games (eg Ole Miss). Guice is good but is he that much better than Damien Harris?

#22 Courtland Sutton (WR, SMU)
Sutton’s frame reminds you of Dez Bryant. SMU haven’t had a great year and it’s maybe dented his stock. His talent and potential is unquestionable though and he could provide real value in a draft class light on good receivers.

#23 Derwin James (S, Florida State)
When James squares up a ball carrier and delivers a jarring hit, you get excited. Sadly there are occasions where he’s covering the open field and looks so stiff, you wonder if he has more limitations that people thought after a strong freshman campaign (and an injury-hit sophomore season).

#24 Roquan Smith (LB, Georgia)
Nowhere near as exciting as Jarrad Davis a year ago but Smith roams around the field as a tone-setting inside linebacker. Not a big playmaker but rarely puts a foot wrong. Has shown up as much as anyone when watching Georgia’s defense this year.

#25 Bryce Love (RB, Stanford)
The latest big-production running back at Stanford. He’s smaller, listed at only 5-10 and 196lbs. He only ran a 4.47 at the Nike combine while weighing in the 180’s. There’s no doubting he’s an excellent player and a legit Heisman candidate — but will he be less of an X-factor at the next level?

Note — Sam Darnold (QB, USC) and Trey Adams (T, Washington) were not included. Numerous reports suggest both players will likely opt against turning pro in 2018.

Value prospects to keep an eye on

Javon Wims (WR, Georgia)
Georgia has a knack of producing big, athletic pass catchers who fly under the radar until the combine. Wims is 6-4 and 215lbs and has become a go-to target for the Bulldog’s freshman QB. High-points the ball, makes plays.

Rashaad Penny (RB, San Diego State)
Fits Seattle’s size profile at running back. Physical and fast — Penny is a productive return man and could be a diamond for someone in the second or third round.

Hercules Mata’afa (DE, Washington State)
Mata’afa is a pretty unique player, rushing inside at just 6-2 and 252lbs. A lack of size could hamper his draft credentials — but he’s just such an active pass rusher, he’s worth a shot at the next level.

Marquise Haynes (LB, Ole Miss)
Haynes stood out in 2016 but has been lost in the wash with Ole Miss regressing under a messy coaching situation. He has 7.5 sacks. A lack of size will put off some — but he’s a playmaker.

Derrick Nnadi (DT, Florida State)
Like Haynes, Nnadi is suffering a bit because FSU are having a down year. He’s stout against the run but offers enough pass rush to be a Brandon Mebane-style one technique in the NFL. Big potential.

Josey Jewell (LB, Iowa)
Not the biggest or the fastest player — but Jewell is a hard-hitting, passionate linebacker who plays with his hair on fire every week. The type of guy you want on the roster and at the very least will provide some special teams value early in his career.

Harrison Phillips (DT, Stanford)
Phillips is getting some nice publicity after a strong year. There’s even been some first round talk but that’s a bit rich for me. Henry Anderson was bigger and a fantastic athlete but he only went in round three in 2015. Phillips might go in a similar range.

Greg Gaines (DT, Washington)
I’m a huge Greg Gaines fan. Watching him next to Vita Vea is a joy for anyone who loves watching good run defense. He’s also more active than he gets credit for as a pass rusher. Gaines is a very intriguing prospect and it’ll be interesting to see how he fares in the NFL.

253 Responses to “Updated 2018 watch list: November 22nd”

  1. drewdawg11 says:

    That’s a great list, Rob. I’ve tried to DVR several games this season to watch a lot of these guys. The one point that I loved that you made about Clelin Ferrell was spot-on for me. He’s 265 lbs but he’s never really moved off of his spot. He’s athletic, but unrefined as a pass rusher. He’s a guy who hustles downfield to chase plays from behind as well. I don’t know if he’s a first rounder, but he’s not getting out of the top 80-90 in my opinion. Having watched every game that Haines and Bita have played at UW, this may be one of the best tandems to ever play at Montlake. We are going to miss them when they go to the league. We are hoping that Greg stays one more season. We all have accepted that Vita is going to leave and that’s the smart play.

  2. drewdawg11 says:

    *Gaines and Vita

  3. Trevor says:

    Awesome write up Rob!

    Have you had a chance to checkout CB Josh Jackson? Seems to fit the Hawks DB profile.

    If Derwan James somehow fell too the range where the Hawks pick I hope JS runs to the podium. He can look a little stiff in the open feild but is coming off an IR season. Look at his freshman tape. He is the only SS outside of Keanu Neal who I felt could truly replace Kam in our scheme. I think he is a top 10 pick but one can dream.

  4. Mitch says:

    Hi Rob,

    Thanks for the continued great reads.

    I noticed the Falcons release CB Jalen Collins today, I remember you talking about him as a possible draft target. Thoughts on picking him up with our CB issues?

    Cheers!

    • Rob Staton says:

      No doubting his talent. Loved him at LSU. The big question is about character and why Atlanta let him go. Can you trust him? If so, bring him in.

      • Del Tre says:

        At this point what do we have to lose? He’ll be cheap, he’s cleared waivers. If he messes up cut him, but this lockerroom has a lot of veteran players looking to help.

  5. CharlieTheUnicorn says:

    – Baker Mayfield (QB, Oklahoma) –

    I agree he could be exception at the next level (RW2.0), but every year traditional NFL front offices always go for the “prototype” QBs. This just is the way it is in the first round. I can see him sneaking his way into the backend of the first round… but I’m not sure he will make it into the top 20 pick level. He may deserve it, but we know that there are plenty of Browns, Jets and other teams that can’t seem to hit on a QB year after year after year.

    A team that seems like a nice obvious to me fit…… Vikings.
    If you follow the RW Seahawks model. Good rushing attack, good OL, very good defense….. 1st year have him play game manager… they could win a SB. Mayfield brings the intangibles… and he is healthy unlike almost every other QB associated with the Vikings currently. I also do not see Keenum as a long term answer at the QB spot for them. Save the money on Teddy Bear Bridgewater and Broken Knee Bradford….. you would end up with about a 2-3 year window of a cost controlled QB spot, enabling the Vikings to load-up at other positions.

    • C-Dog says:

      I have a feeling Mayfield might go much higher than that. He’s been my favorite QB in CFB this year. Just seems to have that It Factor that a franchise QB has to have that goes beyond ideal measurables.

  6. Forty20 says:

    So David Moore was promoted to the 53 at least partially due to other franchises showing genuine interest in him.

    He is similar to Carson in the sense that he possesses an exciting athletic profile and some flashes of real talent in a smaller program. Hopefully he can make the most of this opportunity, although I dare say it will boil down to fighting for crumbs behind Graham, Baldwin and company. Unless they plan to pull a Ty Montgomery?

    • C-Dog says:

      There is something in Carroll’s presser today that made me think that they could take a look at him at RB some. Something, Carroll said that felt like he was comparing him to Mike Davis. Didn’t David Moore start out as a RB in college and converted to WR?

      • Forty20 says:

        Pretty sure that Moore does have experience at RB. He is a really physical player to boot. Something to follow for sure.

        The other thing thst just popped into my mind. He showed a fair bit of YAC potential in the preseason and screens suddenly have come into vogue in Seattle…

        • C-Dog says:

          He did show a good amount of YAC preseason. I thought he looked really promising. Apparently he also put up was crazy bench press numbers at his combine, so he’s definitely strong at #%** for a WR. It will be interesting if they show a plan for him this Sunday.

          I think nows nearing the time where they might start unveiling more wrinkles on the offense. They tend to save that for the final stretch.

      • Mike B. says:

        It would be interesting to see what they can do with Moore and McKissic on the field at the same time. Jet sweeps, bubble screens, wheel routes…so many possibilities!

  7. Rik says:

    This year is backwards from last year – not a single CB in your top 25! Do you see any value CBs hidden out there? I’d count Shaq Griffin as one of last year’s hidden gems. He really didn’t get much press leading up to the draft, and he’s played as well as any rookie CB not named Marshon Lattimore.

    • Rob Staton says:

      So far, I’ve not seen a cornerback of interest.

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        +1

        Fitzpatrick might be decent, but I have a hard time isolating individual play from Alabama players.

        Can you speak to this and what are some ways you project players that are so typically surrounded by domination atypical of the pro game?

        I would quite like to see some posts about scouting and your process or something like that.

        Even some back-to-the-basics stuff like what you look for in OL. How you scout offscreen DBs lol

  8. Totem_Hawk says:

    This draft class looks super thin, maybe not a bad year to have fewer picks…not seeing a ton of dynamic players/athletes…

  9. JimQ says:

    Rob; good call on Rashaad Penny noting his kick return abilities in addition to his power running, IMO that return ability raises his status by a round or so, I’m guessing he’ll go late 2-nd to late 3-rd round.

    RB-Rashaad Penny, San Diego St, 5-096/220, 4.52/40 +/-, currently #244-overall, projected. Rd-7 (per: nfldraftscout.com)

    I think the below stats indicate that Penny is a pretty darn good RB with a nice career 7+ yard average. Penny seems to have been lightly used in the passing game, but has caught some. The 452 career rushes would seem to indicate that Penny may have less miles on his legs than many others in this draft which is nice. I like the steady increase in production from year to year, peaking in 2017.

    The bottom line to this post is that I think that RB-Rashaad Penny has some *significant added value* as an experienced and very accomplished kick off returner, current stats below per cfbstats.com

    —-2017: 11-games so far…, 253 rushes for 1,824-yds, 7.21/avg. & 17-TD’s; + 18-recpt for 142-yds & 2-TD’s, + 1-Punt Return for 70-yds & 1-TD + 14-KO returns for 426-yds, 30.43/avg. & 2-TD’s

    —-2016: 14-games, 136 rushes for 1,018-yds, 7.49/avg 11-TD’s; + 15-recpt for 224-yds, 14.93/avg & 3-TD’s, + 20-KO returns for 624-yds, 31.20/avg, 2-TD’s

    –2015: 14-games, 61 rushes for 368-yds,, 6.03/avg. & 4-TD’s + 8 recpt for 120-yds, 15.00/avg. & 1-TD, + 24-KO returns for 804-yds, 33.50/avg, 3-TD’s

    –2014: 13-games, 2 rushes for 23-yds. 11.5/avg, + 20-KO returns for 500-yds, 25.0/avg.

    —-CAREER #’s to date:
    Rushing: 452 rushes for 3,233-yds, 7.15/avg. 32-TD’s
    Receiving: 41 receptions for 486-yds,11.85-avg. 6-TD’s
    Punt returns: 1 for 70-yds & 1-TD
    KO returns: 78 for 2354-yds, **30.18/avg. & 7-TD’s**.
    Totals: 52-games: 6,143- total yds & 46-TD’s (22-TD’s in 2017) rushing, receiving & returning kicks.

  10. Greg Haugsven says:

    Anthony Miller reminds me of Tyler Lockette, I could see the Seahawks liking him.

  11. East Side Stevie says:

    Rob do you think that there won’t be teams that take Baker Mayfield off their Draft Board? Or at least take him off their 1st and maybe even 2nd round Big Board?

    I just think if you’re immature at 23 and in College where everything is paid for, than you’re going to be Immature in the NFL. Johnny Manziel, Cam. Im giving these examples because they are QB’s. The most important position in any sports franchise is the NFL QB. Is Baker really somebody you want leading you’re team? Voice in the Locker Room?

    Even Trevone Boykin who came into his draft class with question marks has gotten in trouble and struggled in his first 2 years in the NFL.

    • East Side Stevie says:

      Your*

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think there probably will be teams who shy away from him. I quite like a bit of spark though, personally.

      • East Side Stevie says:

        I’m not questioning the spark. His passion and enthusiasm, dog mentality are amazing. He is a fiery competitor and I like that. But he has been immature and had a lot of questionable decision making. I don’t know if he has much self awareness. But if I am being honest not every team has the mentality of the Seahawks front office. I bet you are right about somebody willing to overlook all of that. It may or may not come back to bite that team.

        • C-Dog says:

          I think he plays with an edge at QB that is Farve-esque. I wasn’t the biggest fan of the “planting the flag moment,” but I thought that the Kansas antics towards him last week were total chump bush league from the start of the game and throughout. The crotch grabbing bit was not a good look, but I can understand it.

          If I were a betting man, I would bet some team is going to draft him, and they are going to be glad they did. My hunch is that he is more fiery competitor than loose canon to go along with that skill set.

          • Brett says:

            Agree. If he keeps it on the field and doesn’t have off field issues that takes away from his game then as a coach I can live with a guy that will talk $&it back. Just keep the helmet on and no hand gestures. Just need to make sure he doesn’t have the mind of Ryan Leaf. I’m personally hoping he doesn’t become a Niner (unless he is a headcase of course!)

  12. Forty20 says:

    What are your thoughts on Bradley Chubb’s stable mate Kentavious Street, Rob? He hasn’t got the official production but he is a superb athlete. Apparently he squats ~700lbs, benches ~475lbs, has a 40″ vertical leap and runs around a 4.6 40 yard dash – all at 6’2″ and 282lbs.

    He seems like the sort of raw prospect the Vikings (see Danielle Hunter) have looked for in recent years en route to building their fearsome defensive line.

  13. RWIII says:

    I don’t think any of these players will be a Seahawk,(unless Schneider can’t find a trading partner to trade down). Seattle is without a 2nd/3rd pick in 2018. So I look for Schneider to trade down if he can find a trading partner. Last year he traded down 3 times and still got the player(McDowell) he wanted.

    This might be a draft were the Hawks go BPA instead of targeting a player. What’s interesting is that it seems with Schneider is that the BPA is always the player he targets. John Schneider is amazing.

  14. RWIII says:

    Question of the day. Does John Schneider have a magic wand?

    Tennis anyone!

  15. Adog says:

    I have to wonder if the third down problem on our defense is the inability to replace bruce irvin. Should this be a high drafy pick responsibility? I think so. They dont have enough speed in that secondary zone. When was the last time they spent a fourth or higher on a lb? I think kevin Pierre was a 5th…buy not sure. Regardless the hawks need to focus on getting guys in to learn under wright and wagoner.

    • Rob Staton says:

      In fairness they used to give up those frustrating third downs when Bruce was hear too. See: Dallas 2014.

    • :Nem Beselek says:

      Maybe I’m just overly critical because the D-Line is having problems, but they seem to run the least amount of line stunts I have seen in decades. It seems that most of D-Line just bull-rush every play. And then we cut the only guy that seems to have some pass rush moves. True he was way, way past his prime, and really ineffective these past two games. But damn, I was hoping he would teach everybody some pass rush moves, and now he’s gone. Oh well. Does anyone else have a take on this issue?

  16. Forty20 says:

    Tim Settle is the Sheldon Rankin/Keanu Neal/Haason Reddick of this draft isn’t he? NO ONE is talking about him in the mainstream draft media and all the amateur draftniks don’t even have him inside of their 3+ round mocks. Mean while Rob has slapped the cheeky blue ribbon on him 6-7 months before he will start rapidly ascending big boards.

    I want to say that one day the Hawks will land one of your monster sleepers Rob…but given how high they invariably rise into the first round that would probably be a bittersweet pill to cop!

  17. Greg Haugsven says:

    Report: Davis Johnson and Carson Palmer not returning this season. Might not seem like much but we haven’t had much luck at home against the Cardinals and we play them week 17.

  18. GoHawks5151 says:

    Maybe not top 30 material, but Miami has a ton of talent especially on D. On the DL Chad Thomas, R.J. McIntosh and Kendrick Norton are all players to watch. McIntosh got a bit of Nas in him. Young on the back end but Jaquan Johnson has is a classic, a instinctual Miami safety. Dee Delaney is a cornered of note too. Mark Walton and Joe Yearby are both athletic RBs in the Duke Johnson mold. Joker type TE in Herndon too. Plus all these boys got that swag we have been running low on!

  19. Ishmael says:

    Great write up. The only questions over Rosen’s personality I can see are because most NFL teams don’t much like intelligent players who ask questions. I think he could be an interesting voice in the league, especially if he goes to a big market team.

    • CHawk Talker Eric says:

      Rosen is the most impressive passer I’ve seen in years. Rob said it – he checks all the boxes.

      It’s one thing to watch him on tv, but in person he’s just amazing. Unmatched accuracy and touch. Total awareness as he checks down through his reads. If his personality “issues” are more lack of maturity than inherent problems, he’s gonna be an MVP type player.

  20. RWIII says:

    I am hoping EVERY ONE will respond to this question. There is so many BONE HEAD penalties on this team that is costing us football games. For example on the last drive the Seahawks get called for blocking in the back on the punt return. So instead of having the football around the 43 yard line we start at the 25 yard line. Seahawk fans. Whose fault are these bone head mistakes. Is it the player or the coaches?

    • Ishmael says:

      It’s like anything, finding a scapegoat is always easier than accepting there’s a lot of blame to go around. I suspect the players are coached to play right to the line of the rules, occasionally going beyond, knowing that the referees won’t call them for every single play. The referees know the Seahawks play right to the line and so keep a closer eye on the players, and are probably more likely to blow the whistle than they would be for other teams. And then the players do get sloppy and dumb, take chances they probably shouldn’t, and get overly aggressive when they don’t need to – all the defensive offsides are classic examples of this. As many of the holding penalties on the line are caused by Wilson spinning around and doing dumb stuff as they are by base incompetence from *lineman of your choice here*

      Ultimately, despite there being all that blame to go round, I do think it’s fundamentally a cultural issue – of pushing the line – and if the buck had to stop anywhere, it should stop with Carroll.

      • Hawk Eye says:

        when you constantly have a lot of penalties, it has to be on the coaches. But there is a difference between pre snap penalties, holding/PI penalties and over aggressive penalties.
        And when looking at holding Ryan to under 200 yards passing, I think you should add PI to those to get a true read on where the defense is.

        it would be interesting to see the type of penalties Hawks take compared to other teams and where their great weakness is. A great team can overcome the penalties, but they make a good team average and it costs them wins.

        as I said in a previous posting, these Hawks have the Heart of a champion, but not the mindset.

        • 503Hawk says:

          Isn’t it obvious that it is both coaching and the players. When a HC (Carroll) acknowledges that he he ‘encourages holding receivers’ because “the refs won’t call them all” that will, and has, come back to haunt them. If I’m an opposing team I’m constantly in the ear of the officials to watch out for the Seahawk’s DB’s, especially on third down. (It would be interesting to see how many first downs via penalty the Hawks give up in comparison to other teams.)
          At the same time, the NFL is getting unwatchable with the barrage of penalties and asininely ridiculous definitions of what is a catch, what is a fumble. I’ve said many times, if I hadn’t grown up in a city with an NFL franchise I would never watch their product. It would be watching only CFB with their unmatch traditions and pageantry every weekend.

    • Aaron says:

      I’d put this almost entirely on the coaches. We’re on pace to set an NFL record for penalties in a season. It’s time for some soul searching and serious reflection from the top down in this organization. This tight knit inner circle bordering on a fraternity around Pete needs to end. Always compete extends to every single person on that coaching staff.

      • Rob Staton says:

        But Aaron — why is it the people surrounding Pete? Maybe it’s Pete? He’s the Head Coach.

        If people want to point a finger at anyone for the penalties it’s the Head Coach. It’s his responsibility to have this team playing cleaner football.

        I also don’t really buy this concept of a ‘tight knit inner circle’. The coaches on this team are running Pete’s vision. His offense, his defense. If you think he’s suddenly going to hand control of either to some outsider and that in turn will rectify all of the big problems, well it probably won’t.

        But there’s something else people need to remember too. The good teams, usually get more penalties. It doesn’t excuse this season’s record pace — but it’s also not a new issue for this club. The greater problem is their margin for error has shrunk game to game. If they repair the running game and can find a way to get through a season without multiple serious injuries, this will likely be much less of an issue.

        • Aaron says:

          What I mean by “tight knit inner circle” around Pete is a seemingly small group of people he trusts and maybe too much of an echo chamber of yes men. I’d love for Pete to hear outside opinions of not just fans, but analysts and former players. However, I’m afraid he’s too prideful or stubborn to listen to them. I hope Pete will accept feedback from third party sources and actually listen to, consider, and take them for their merits and progress.

          • Rob Staton says:

            But that’s the point I’m making — anyone who comes in has to be a yes man. They’re running Pete’s offense and defense. They’re doing what he wants. They’re not coming in to run their system.

            A lot of fans make this point like they have inner knowledge of how the coaches are with Pete, or that a change will bring about a more idyllic situation. I have a hard time imagining Tom Cable doesn’t give feedback and that it isn’t absorbed.

  21. Kenny Sloth says:

    Happy Thanksgiving all.

    I know a lot of the community isn’t American, but I’m thankful to all the commentors, readers, amd contributors for their constant humility and intelligence.

    Truly thankful for Rob and Volume 12 for all the years you’ve not realized you’ve been mentoring me and been good friends from the screen!

    A lot of other guys have been great through the years and they know who they are.

    Thanks SDB

  22. Kenny Sloth says:

    Crazy how many former depth players for us are starters around the league

  23. Greg Haugsven says:

    Rooting interest today:

    Vikings over Lions (if we would have won last week maybe we root for the lions)

    Chargers over Cowboys

    Redskins vs Giants = Whogas? I guess the Giants.

  24. 503Hawk says:

    Looking at the remaining schedule, unless they can pull a rabbit out of a hat, I think the Hawks will end up at 9-7 (miss the playoffs) or 10-6 (win the division). Two pivotal games appear to be the Philly and Ram games at home.

    • Aaron says:

      I think it would be best for this team to not make the playoffs this year. They are fundamentally flawed and injuries are decimating them. They need that type of fall from contention to actually make some fundamental changes to coaches and personnel. They’re far to slow to adapt and also far too conservative to change things up otherwise. I’m aleady punting this season and looking into the draft.

      • Rob Staton says:

        If there’s one thing the Seahawks are not it’s conservative or unwilling to change. They have completely adapted to become a pass-first offense around the QB, who is putting up record numbers as things stand. They’ve aggressively switched their plan on the O-line by going after Brown and Joeckel. They’ve completely changed the way they’re using Jimmy Graham.

        Missing the playoffs won’t achieve anything other than a boring January.

        • Hawk Eye says:

          9-7 or 10-6, 11-5
          none of those would surprise me.
          Hawks can win the unwinnable and lose the gimmes.
          Especially this year.
          They remain a talented, but flawed team. Capable of blowing a lead and also capable of winning the Super Bowl. More likely to have a meltdown and fall too far behind in a game the need to win and have a comeback fall just short. They are like the pretty girl who smiled at you in high school but she was out of your league. There is always a chance, but more likely to break your heart. 🙂
          At least we have SB48 and can still hope for more

          • Rob Staton says:

            Just got to hope they get hot. Wilson is playing well so it’s possible.

            • Hawk Eye says:

              Sounds like the Green Bay plan….

              • Rob Staton says:

                The Green Bay plan you refer is their approach to the off-season, not an in-season injury riddled team missing several players.

                • peter says:

                  The last year Green Bay won the Superbowl they had 13 players on IR including 9 from the defense.

                  For me I’ll take a ticket to the dance and see the team take it’s chances there. Not for nothing but especially with the mid season trades I’d really rather have those picks be as lat in the rounds as they can be. I’m also as a fan not interested in this narrative that Seattle needs have some epic fall to prove a point. There’s no point to prove when all your runningbacks can’t play except Lacy and he seems done.

                  And Sherm/Kam/Avril all aren’t playing. Where’s the lesson in that?

                • Hawk Eye says:

                  no, I mean just count on Rodgers to cover up the flaws, as the Hawks need Wilson to do now. It was a joke.

                  R
                  E
                  L
                  A
                  X

                  I sometimes get involved with helping a business turn things around. At some point, there is the mention of “hope”. I always say, hope is not a plan. It might happen, but not something to count on.
                  At this point in the season, it is what we have left. Might work, probably won’t.
                  But at least the hawks won’t give up like the Boys have in big D (I think D stands for Disaster).

        • AlaskaHawk says:

          I hope they make the playoffs. If they don’t – I hope the owner makes some changes in the coaches. It has made a big difference for the LA Rams. I’ve watched PC and coaches long enough to know their strengths and weaknesses. At this point the weaknesses are winning (or contributing to losses). It is unfair to pick on them when there are so many injuries and they are coaching the new guys up. However I’ve watched them for many years and the coaches simply aren’t capable of training and fielding a decent offensive team at the start of the season. Plus I still don’t think they know how to design a variety of passing plays.

          • Rob Staton says:

            Oh for goodness sake Alaska.

            How on earth are Jeff Fisher’s Rams and Pete Carroll’s Seahawks comparable?

            Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

            • Ed says:

              Think he is comparing how fantastic the changes have been for LA, not that Fisher and Carroll are the same. I would agree, it might be time for TC, DB and KR to move on. It probably won’t happen

              • Rob Staton says:

                I don’t think it’s a fair comparison though.

                The Rams were horrendously coached by Fisher. Anyone competent could come in and get a reaction.

                The Seahawks are 6-4 not 3-7… there’s time to get this right.

                • peter says:

                  Also Seattle has been building momentum or winning since PC got here and Fisher basically had two decades of .500 career coaching.

                  There are a lot of fan favorites this year that are seriously injured and Seattle by hook or by crook is keeping it close even with PC’s boneheaded plays.

                  Jeff Fisher actually had talented teams and a brutal Dline and great special teams for years and coached forever in a hot and cold division and couldn’t do anything with those players.

                  Also in the unpopular opinions category: I think Bevell is coaching a hell of a season this year w/ zero running game a defense that isn’t nearly as stout so the team as a whole cant lean on that like they used to, and half of an Oline.

                  • AlaskaHawk says:

                    I was mostly saying I’m unhappy with the coaching and that a change such as the LA Rams had can be good for the team.

        • Aaron says:

          By conservative I mean their conservative nature towards changing up coaches and personnel. Pete’s greatest quality of giving people second, third, and fourth chances is also a detrement if taken to an extreme. Actually bring in a defensive coordinator, not a custodian of Pete’s defense. Let Tom Cable go because post Marshawn the o line has gone from terrible at pass pro to average at best, and regressed from above average run blockers to terrible ones. Tom’s calling card is gone. I just really want new blood and new voices, and a fantastic RB.

          Speaking about RBs, what did you think about Carson pre-injury. Is he a 20+ carries week in and week out kind of guy? Is he a 1000+ yards kind of guy? I have serious doubts about his toughness and stamina. He seemed like a guy trying to hard to manufacture toughness because he doesn’t have it naturally on the field. Also, would you use our first pick on a RB?

          • peter says:

            I see this a lot but I’m literally trying to figure out what team THAT IS WINNING cuts coordinators mid season or even post season? I know the Ravens famously did it but I can’t remember if they had a winning record at that time.

            I know tons of teams get new coordinators when winning assistants go on: See all of Seattle’s defensive staff for a half decade. And also See: Every owner/GM who thinks they are going to get some of that Patriots magic when that never works.

            PC did cut a coordinator once: Jeremy Bates. As per Cable. Listen I agree the Oline sucks. and has sucked for years. and Seattle as a whole has to own up to their team decisions in regards to who to pay and who to let go. But if you were a better Oline assistant than Cable on a team right now from College to the PRo’s why would you go to Seattle to coach the bad news bears of Olines?

  25. C-Dog says:

    Am I crazy to think that Case Keenum can be the franchise QB for the Vikings moving forward beyond 2017?

    The guy has been rock solid steady without a great run game, and keeps making plays.

    • Greg Haugsven says:

      Yes, as the kids now say you are cray cray. Guys like him have good years once in a while.

      • C-Dog says:

        I’m going to continue riding the Keemun Crazy Train. Bad situation with the Rams under QB destroyer Jeff Fisher. Prolific college passer getting new life and playing gutsy with the Vikings. I’m kinda digging what’s going on with him this year. Maybe not a long term answer, but a nice bridge.

    • Aaron says:

      He’s a decent QB but not a franchise QB. He’s Trent Dilfer and will go as far as that D takes him. For Trent that was a ring, but I don’t see that happening for the Vikings. Philly and Saints are the best in the NFC imo, with far better QBs.

    • Volume12 says:

      If Mike Zmmer ain’t coach of the year the system is flawed. Basically just clinched their division playing the 3rd QB, and have been without their rookie stud HB.

    • H says:

      For as good as the Vikings have played this year (agreed that Zimmer should be coach of the year) they’re still definitely my first choice for a road playoff game. In a Dome against a journeyman back up having a career year. Id like our chances.

  26. Greg Haugsven says:

    Watching Golden Tate, I just wonder what our organization would look like if we never made the Harvin trade. We would have kept our 1st and 3rd round picks and probably would have resigned Tate. He is part of the bully that has left us.

    • cha says:

      Your logic is sound, but for my money there was no greater moment of beauty than Harvin returning the 2nd half kickoff for a TD in SB48.

      The Broncos had been a disaster in the first half and crawled into the locker room down 22-0 to regroup. They came out feeling like they could pull off a comeback. The first part of the comeback would be pooching the kick to prevent Harvin from having an opportunity to cause damage and maybe even recover.

      Harvin slammed the door on that plan and stomped on their heart with one play. Game. Over.

      Worth a 1st, a 3rd and the aggravation IMO.

    • Volume12 says:

      Time to find out. Its RW’s team now and it’s long overdue to give him what he needs and build around him.

      Need a RB, and need a receiver that can make plays in the air who will complement Baldwin, Lockett, and probably P-Rich.

      • Volume12 says:

        David Moore coming up off the PS ain’t by accident.

      • peter says:

        What do you think? A stronger/bigger receiver? Someone who has more YAC ability? The YAC thing is weird because Tate had it. They thought Harvin would have it. Lockett might not have on field moves , who knows but I think they are missing on plays that get him into space and not just on the “twice a game wind up and fire,” but earlier and closer in on the hash marks.

  27. AlaskaHawk says:

    I wonder about Tate also, Seahawks had a one two punch with him and Baldwin. They would probably have two 1000 yard receivers if they had kept him. While I like the current crew they simply aren’t as competitive fighting for the ball as Tate.

  28. cha says:

    Man is this Cowboy defense trash lately. Watching Kennan Allen run through 4 Cowboy DB’s and their wet-paper-tissue tackling, Graham-Baldwin-Lockett-Rich are going to have a field day when it’s their turn.

  29. Volume12 says:

    That was disgusting!

    QB Nick Fitzgerald just done snapped his ankle sideways.

  30. Greg Haugsven says:

    You think the Seahawks have a rough time with offense having no running game. The Cowboys are a disaster without Zeke.

  31. Mike B. says:

    I agree that Damien Harris deserves a high ranking, though I doubt he’ll be drafted until the 2nd round. I also feel that he’d be a terrific fit in Seattle, as the Seahawks seriously need to revamp their RB personnel; Chris Carson looked great in the few games he played, but who knows how he’ll recover from that brutal injury and what he’ll be like next year.

    It’s time to quit messing around with the running game and do a reboot. The only way Seattle will truly compete for another title in 2018 is to have a more balanced offense with a strong running attack. Lacy has sadly been a bust, Rawls is a spaz, Prosise can’t stay healthy, Davis is a good backup, and McKissic is a fine gadget player. None of them are starting, bell-cow type RBs.

    • Hawktalker#1 says:

      So if the Seahawks have just been messing around, rather than “reboot”, what is your suggestion?
      Cut all those that ran the ball this year and use all our draft picks and FA cap space to get new ones?
      Just curious.

      • peter says:

        not all. I’d love to see if Carson can make a come back. More than explosive plays and exciting runs, Seattle needs general consistency from a back that can get a first down if it’s 2 and 8 or if it’s 3 and two. Trotting out one fo three different backs within drives I think kills Bevell especially when each of the backs is only good at one thing.

        But lacy…done

        Rawls…more than likely done

        Procise….he can join Chris Matthews as another player who once had a great game against New England.

      • C-Dog says:

        I wouldn’t be comfortable seeing them rely on Carson and finding a complementary back to mix with him. I would love to see them either add a proven vet with something left in the tank like Carlos Hyde, or in a year where it looks to be a draft deep at running back, see them spend some serious capital on a really talented player like Damien Harris, or Nick Chubb, etc, and then draft another one. IMO, if they want to retain Jimmy Graham, Sheldon Richardson, PRich, they probably won’t have much money to kick around in free agency. The draft seems more likely.

      • Mike B. says:

        My suggestion would be to move on from Lacy (easy one) and Rawls (sad, but probably necessary). The 2018 RB group could look like:

        Iteration #1:
        – Carson
        – A 2nd/3rd round draft pick, likely the sweet spot for a RB, gained by trading down with the 1st pick
        – Cheap, underused veteran RB to compete for a spot
        – Mike Davis
        – McKissic, who’s basically half RB/half WR
        – UDFA RB to compete for a spot

        Iteration #2:
        – Carlos Hyde, or another very good FA RB (contract depends on salary cap and other factors)
        – Carson
        – Lower-round draft pick
        – Davis
        – McKissic
        – UDFA RB to compete for a spot

  32. bankhawk says:

    Im so totally down with drafting the best candidate for bell-cow back with our first pick. What are thoughts out thêre on what Pete and staff will do with the rest of the season? I sure want to see what rbs we do have left to us get one more decent look once we get Joeckel and Brown going at the same time. I sort of feel like Lacy is toast and likely Rawls too (though I would love to see a glorious resurgence!).
    What say ye about the Freeney release to bring Mỏore up to the 53? Theres gotta be some grand plan Im not seeing thêre-it cant all be fears of Mỏore getting poached off the practice squad.

    • Greg Haugsven says:

      I’d still like to see 1st guy get most of the carries. Probably Mike Davis if he can heal that groin. Can’t abandoned es t b e run even if your not getting a lot of yards. It’s not always abut the yards as much as its about the attempts. If we can go 60% pass a ND 40% run we can survive. Just can’t beat ourselves anymore, that to me is our hope the rest of the season. Cut the mistakes down and c we can win.

    • Volume12 says:

      ‘What are thoughts out thêre on what Pete and staff will do with the rest of the season?’

      Continue to get out coached, make head scratching/dumb a** decisions either late in games or in critical situations, while they rely on RW’s Houdini act and brilliance to mask the underlying issues.

      • Volume12 says:

        1 rushing TD from a RB. That’s so god damn embarrassingly bad its sad.

        • Volume12 says:

          Got Latavius Murray out here doing his thing, while ‘Feastmode’ aka Eddie Lacy can’t even convert 3rd & shoirts nor punch it in from the 1.

          • H says:

            Vol, your critisism of PC and staff. Has been pretty heavy recently (and for good reasons certainly, that running td stat is appauling) but im curious about what you, and other 12s, think should be done about this. Especially if we do in fact miss the playoffs (I dont think that happens) Personally, despite my concerns, i think, asthe greatest coach in team history, he deserves at least one more go around, especially with all the injuries.
            Tbh my loyalty to Pc/Js has probably become such that id give him even more after that.

            • peter says:

              personally, I’m fine with PC. this isn’t the first year he’s blown timeouts, thrown bad challenge flags, etc.

              Regardless of missing the playoffs or not, which I think they won’t miss them btw….I think Seattle needs to spend draft capital on a RB. I know they have already in the past with Turbin, procise, etc. But like anything else, if it’s not working and it’s part of your identity then you work at it until it comes to be.

              For me, though I think Seattle needs to consider a first round back, I’m fine with them drafting two or more in the fifth or so. I feel like Rawls will never quite be back and Procise somethings not right with him. Perhaps he’s “snakebit,” but whereas Paul Richardson was a part of a corps procise has been needed and just can’t stay on the field.

            • C-Dog says:

              I’m good with Pete Carroll and the coordinators, in general. I think the team got horribly snake bit at the running back spot this year. I agree with Volume that the Lacy signing was a poor decision.

              The fake field goal call last game was horrendous, and the challenge was awful.

              I want to see how this team responds during the final six games, and can they go 4-2. Either way, I also agree with Rob that next offseason will be crucial, but all and all, I’m not worried about Pete.

            • Volume12 says:

              I love Darrell Bevell. Think he gets the worst rap of any OC in the game. Does more with less better than anyone else.

              Pete looks and sounds burnt out and I don’t blame him if that is the case.

              Good question right? Tough situation. I’m not saying he needs to he fired, let go, anything like that. Just some genuine look in the man at the mirror reflection.

              Kris Richard? Take him or leave him. I’ve no allegiance to him.

              • drewdawg11 says:

                I just think that there are more innovative minds one there who can call a better game. He’s not the best of the best. Shouldn’t we get the best that we can get? Oh, and Richard is no great shakes either. Paul Allen would spend the money if Pete wanted someone.

                • Volume12 says:

                  Who? Who’s the best of the best?

                  Football ain’t rocket science. You don’t need to have innovative play calls. Everyone calls the same plays, they all run the same route tree. There’s nothing these coaches and defenders haven’t already seen.

                  • Volume12 says:

                    That’s why we’re seeing so much pre-snap motion and so many different pre-snap formations. That’s definitely something Seattle could incorporate a LOT more.

                  • cha says:

                    I think my issue with Bevell isn’t the overall scheme or play calls, it’s the situational game-aware play calling that seems lacking.

                    If RW is getting constant heavy pressure, why not occasionally try the 2012-2013 plays that worked so well? Intentionally roll RW out at the snap to get him away from the pressure and give him the option to find the TE in the flat or the WR deeper down, and failing that get 3-5 yards running? The occasional read option just to slow the D half a step? Can we all agree that RW working with space is a good thing?

                    Instead we frequently get “Hey, let’s call this long-developing play with a play action reverse fake where RW has his back to the OL for 6 steps, and THEN turns and surveys the field for a target! That’ll fool them!” By the time RW turns he’s got a chin full of DL-er helmet.

                    I will say they had a couple really creative screen dump passes to McKissic & Davis worked up to blunt the pass rush in the Atlanta game. Let the DL come free and over pursue. That was a step in the right direction and they worked beautifully.

                  • Volume12 says:

                    That’s fair. He can be very inconsistent.

                  • AlaskaHawk says:

                    There are three long term issues that are very troubling and have occurred regardless of players on the field.
                    1. No matter how well the Seahawks finish the season- the offense looks horrible the first 4 games of the next season. I’ll preoared- shuffling players aroynd- lucky to score 14 points.
                    2. No matter how well the defense plays the first two downs, they consistently give up third downs- even long third downs.
                    3. Penalties , penalties and more penalties. Not always legitimate but a lot are legitimate. How many blocking in the back calls have I seen on special teams? So this isn’t really a consistent issue as it seems to be getting worse.

                    I don’t expect those three issues to improve until changes are made in coaching. If you are content with those issues, by all means continue on. If you want improvements in those areas- changes will have to be made.

                  • peter says:

                    Alaska,

                    I’m not disagreeing with our sentiment about the three phases that are not working I am and I think a bit like Rob staton am of the mindset that those flaws are tied to Pete Carrol, discipline, long developing plays for a home run, etc, and there won’t be changes until he goes.

                    For me, I fear a bit if he goes that Seattle becomes the Niners post-Harbaugh. Belichick had what 9 seasons between superbowls? Heck, I don’t see Pete lasting that long just due to age alone. I just don’t think often about changes to coaching staff while he’s here and overall I can’t think WITH our personnel who would be suited to coach the team. Now a new coach and a rebuild? perhaps but I’m not looking forward to that quagmire.

          • mishima says:

            Wanted them to take C. Robinson and sign Murray. Instead we rolled with Fant, Joeckel, Aboushi and Lacy to fix our running game. /smh

            Draft the best LT with a Fant hedge and you don’t need to pull panic moves mid-season, like with Brown. I applaud the FO for fixing the problem, but it was preventable and spendy. Knowing Rawls and Prosise are oft-injured, draft a RB (double dip at 106 and 111!) before the 7th.

            I like what we picked up by trading down and our overall draft, but question the McDowell signing and waiting until the 7th to pick a RB.

            Hopefully, they prioritize the RB position this off-season. Vet + 2.

  33. Old but Slow says:

    The team has drafted and signed some good backs, but if they cannot stay healthy, it does not reflect on the scouting. Getting Carson and Rawls late reflects well, but you cannot predict broken bones. Rawls still has the talent, if he can find how to use it, and Carson looks like a good prospect for the future. And, Davis? Argh! It almost seemed inevitable that he would get injured.

    Yes, taking a RB early seems the thing. Maybe we should have a dozen running backs, as we seem to go through them like a plate of chocolate chip cookies.

    If the Seahawks want to be a running first team, then they need to find a keeper. I’d love it if Carson became that player, but this seems a good RB draft, at least at the top, so it may be time.

    • Aaron says:

      To be a great running team you need a great back and a couple other things…

      – A legit FB for when you run I-formation, which we don’t have
      – At least one great blocking TE, which we don’t have
      – Five big hosses up front, which we don’t have…yet (Brown, Britt, maybe Ifedi???)

      • peter says:

        Agreed. pretty hard to be a running team with an oline that is constantly shifting, and a general indifference to the fullback position. I’ll add that PC/JS seem to want to be a great running team but seem to forget that they had a 12th overall pick as their back for years and not a mish mash of skill levels and draft positions.

        • drewdawg11 says:

          Yes. The last two, great backs were both first round picks. We have been trying to go for the bargain bin.

      • Volume12 says:

        I think the left side of the line is solid. Brown, Pocic, Britt. The right side leaks like a sieve.

        Here’s something to keep in mind when looking at RBs and not enough draft media do it. If your team plays primarily outta shotgun, and Seattle does, they better grsab a RB that can as well.

      • Del Tre says:

        I think we have 5 guys to build around, if we can resign Joeckel for cheap i think next year we’ll have a good O line.

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      My recollection is that first rounders like Gurley have been injured also. There is just more to look forward to when they recover.

  34. Volume12 says:

    Can we make CFB a 16 game season and the NFL 12? That Egg bowl was like the worst game and still more entertaining than any NFL game this year, except for the Houston/Seattle showdown.

    • peter says:

      I love the seahawks but I literally don’t watch any other NFL games before the playoffs. College week in and out I can find a good matchup or some rooting interest any almost any level.

    • Mike B. says:

      I’ve enjoyed this CFB season much more than the NFL season. Same with 2016. This hasn’t been the case since the early 90s, when as a kid I went to several UW games during their heyday (and the Seahawks entered their most forgettable decade).

  35. swisshawk says:

    Rob, I know you are busy checking out the RB’s, but do you have per chance an assessment on;
    – CB Adonis Alexander, VTech (nice size, aggressive, nice run support)
    – CB Carlton Davis, Auburn (nice technique /coverage)

    I have the feeling that they could be looking for another young corner (Sherm 29, Shead 28, Lane 27, Maxwell 29) in this upcoming draft, after presumably missing out on Rasul Douglas last year.

  36. Volume12 says:

    Miami can’t lose this. They’re the best thing about 2017 CFB. Its alway better when the ‘U’ is back and full of swagger. The cock of the walk.

    If not? Hope ‘Bama crushes Clemson, Oklahoma, and either Ohio St./Wisconsin.

    • drewdawg11 says:

      No offense, but Miami has been living dangerously all season. The Notre Dame game doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t a great team yet. They’ve been playing with Fire this year and Pitt has one good win every season. This was it. The Canes have been a punk program for a long time. I’ve never enjoyed their antics. A turnover chain? If you need that as motivation…

      • DC says:

        No tears for Miami. I went to UDub the year we won it all (co-champs) and the Canes have been an enemy ever since. Breaking their home win streak with Damon f’in Huard at QB was hilarious! The Tuiasosopo home win was brilliant. The 65-0 drubbing at Miami was during our decent into the Dark Ages. Anyway, the U is traditionally fun to hate on though we’ve only recently been good enough where it matters. Would be fun to do a home & home again. Going to play Auburn for game 1 next year? Ballsy move.

      • Volume12 says:

        Turnover chain is harmless fun. No different than the lunch pail at VA-Tech or the single digit jersey’s at Temple. They’re kids man.

  37. Volume12 says:

    Noooo!! Miami S Jaquan Johnson is so, so good. Day 3 version of Earl Thomas. He’s gonna be a stud for a long time in the NFL.

  38. Volume12 says:

    What if UCLA hires Tom Cable?

    And if I have the 1st pick in the draft, I run to the podium for Bradley Chubb.

    • SeaHusky says:

      As both a UW and Seahawks fan, I would laugh until the cows come home.

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      What if the Seahawks hire Bielema :%

    • Volume12 says:

      Actually looks like its Chip Kelly.

      Tennessee might have their man in Chris Petersen.

      Happy for former E. Washington HC Beau Baldwin. Got the gig at Oregon St.

      • peter says:

        I live down here between osu and u of o and it’s gonna be tough sledding to fix osu. the two schools are SO damn close and reset stadium and facilities are very nice but old uncle Phil has autzen and their facilities just so far beyond most people could imagine. for recruiting I think beau Baldwin is an excellent choice because osu needs to be it’s own thing and not the little brother.

  39. Volume12 says:

    Holy sh**! Has anyone seen UCLA OT Kolton Miller? That’s a solid 2nd rounder right there. Kid is an a** kicker! Blew me away.

  40. DC says:

    Nice to finally get the better end of a trade with New England. Coleman has been a welcome pickup.

  41. Volume12 says:

    This S. Florida/UCF game was 🔥🔥🔥. My goodness. Game of the year contender man.

    • Volume12 says:

      Gonna be howling with laughter at Madden next year when Shaquiem Griffin has 2 hands because EA can’t figure out how to code it.

      • peter says:

        I listened to him this year on a few radio shows and I’m ready to extend the positional rankings of the “LOB,” and have him become a hawk.

        Even if his brother wasn’t. Adversity + Actual game skill + equals “seahawky.”

      • H says:

        Been banging with drum for him for a little while now. Love his athleticism, love his story, love his bloodlines. His lack of a hand will make him a steal.

    • 503Hawk says:

      Yah, I so enjoyed that. Just another reason to love CFB!

  42. drewdawg11 says:

    OT: it looks as if the Rams catch a break this Sunday when the Saints are down two starting corners. Now everyone can go back to saying how great their offense is if they score some points against the weakened defense.

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      It looks like a tough game – it won’t surprise me if New Orleans takes it because of their greater experience.

      • Del Tre says:

        The Rams are going to get frustrated by the Saints running game, i guarentee it. We saw Aaron Donald commit a stupid penalty and hurt his team late. The Saints are good, and their ball control offense will cover for their depleted secondary. I’d expect something like 20 straight runs to happen this game. Good Ol Drew is also going to pick apart that secondary.

  43. Greg Haugsven says:

    Looks like we have about $19.25 million in cap space for next 2018 with 37 players on the roster. We could be looking like this:

    1. Add 14 players to fill out the roster at say $500k a piece. Cap space: $12.25

    2. Extend Duane Brown and Earl Thomas and gain about $5 million. Cap Space: $17.25

    3. Release Jeremy Lane with a post June 1st designation and gain $4.75 million. Cap Space: $22 million

    4. Release John Ryan with a post June 1st designation and gain $2 million. Cap Space: $24 million

    5. Chancellor and Bennet are probably both here but if either of them were cut or traded it would gain $3 million for each of them but for argument purpose they stay. Cap Space $24 million

    6. Cliff Avril retires, would gain us $7.5 million but I’m guessing he doesnt. Cap Space $24 million

    7. Richard Sherman cut/trade gains you $11 million but I’m guessing he is still here (we could extend him to)

    Important Free Agents:

    S. Richardson
    P. Richardson
    L. Joeckel
    J. Graham
    B. Walsh
    L. Willson
    D. Shead
    B. McDougal

    J. Coleman
    D. Jordan

    Cap Space $24 million. How do you want to spend it?

    • Sea Mode says:

      Tough calls. I’m thinking at least one of the old guard probably retires, but for the sake of the exercise:

      15m- S. Richardson: you finally get a beast at 3-tech in his prime. Gave up a R2 pick to get him. Other D-line stars are quickly fading. Makes everyone around him better. Just can’t let him get away.

      7m- J. Graham: maybe it’s wishful thinking that he will take a paycut, but he’ll hit 32 next Nov. and this is about what Witten is making.

      2m- B. McDougald: obviously, we would have to add in some change from somewhere else as 2m would not be enough, but I think a viable backup for both safety spots and 3rd safety when needed is valueable and would prioritize resigning him.

      Hopefully the cap goes up as well like every year. Not sure if your 24m figure already takes that into account. Thanks for the exercise!

      • Hawk Eye says:

        not giving Richardson $15 mil a year. He has been good, but not great.
        Gets pressure, but not the sack, is disruptive, but like like a Donald or a Suh. Plus he has suspensions in his past that makes the next one a bigger one.
        No one else is giving him $15 mil either, but if they do, the Hawks let him walk and take the comp pic.
        With Malik, Jones and Reed, they can let him walk rather than overpay.
        Remember, last year they were open to trading Sherm to get younger and gain cap space. They have no cap room now and they don’t want to be in the same situation next year. They are going to make some tough choices and either let a few guys go or not resign them. They need more youth and speed on D and some cap room. I suspect it will be an interesting off season full of reasons for fans to second guess

    • RealRhino2 says:

      I’d pay all $24 million to Jimmy Graham to make him go elsewhere.

      • drewdawg11 says:

        I sincerely don’t understand the Jimmy Graham hate. Some of you people don’t know what to do with yourselves if you aren’t insulting one of outlet best players, which is what he is.

        • Hawk Eye says:

          I think there is a chance JG stays because of his friendship with Russell. Remember, he was his best man at his wedding. Now of course, $$$ will decide it for both sides. Hawks don’t want to pay him as the top TE, but I doubt too many other teams will either. I think he can play well into his 30’s. Look at Witten, Gates, Gonzales, etc. His length is what makes him a weapon, not his speed. As much hate as he gets, 7 td’s in 10 games is why they got him.

        • RealRhino2 says:

          I’ll try to explain it to you: he’s not a very good player.

          Does that help?

          It’s not “hate”? I don’t hate Jimmy Graham, I just hate that he’s on our team. He’s a bad blocker. Which hurts our running game. Which hurts the OL and Russ. He’s an indifferent route runner most of the time. Which means Russ has to hold the ball, which gets him hit. Or draws OL penalties.

          For a tall guy, he doesn’t make contested catches in the air. You can tell me about his TDs. Big deal. That doesn’t mean jack squat. LaGarrette Blount had NINETEEN rushing TDs last year, and that got him shown the door. Because this isn’t fantasy football. Graham doesn’t CREATE TD opportunities and capitalize on them. Sure, when he’s left uncovered down the seam he’ll catch the ball. And maybe twice he caught the ball over a 5-10 DB. Every other time we’ve gone to him in the red zone he’s a half-assed effort guy, the guy who is content to jump up towards the ball so it looks like he’s trying, but not actually win the ball.

          • Rob Staton says:

            Your argument lost all credibility when you wrote the following:

            “You can tell me about his TDs. Big deal. That doesn’t mean jack squat.”

            Where would Seattle be without his seven touchdowns in six games?

            The criticism of Graham is no different that the criticism of Bevell and Cable. Fans just want someone to dislike and complain about, regardless of results on the field. It’s tiresome.

    • C-Dog says:

      I would sign Sheldon Richardson, Jimmy Graham, and Paul Richardson in that order. 3 techs like Sheldon are too rare, Jimmy is the red zone offense, and PRich has become one of the quarterback’s favorite targets.

      They have club control on Dion Jordan, I think, and possibly Coleman, as well?

      • Greg Haugsven says:

        This is based of the cap going from 167 to 178.

        • Greg Haugsven says:

          I like Jimmys production but I still think he takes you away from being the bully. I would rather have a guy who catches less passes and is a beast in the running game.

    • Ed says:

      1. No
      2. DB yest, not Earl
      3. Yes
      4. Yes
      5. Yes to both gone
      6. Yes, gone
      7. Yes, gone

      Richardson, yes
      Richardson, no
      Joeckel, no
      Graham, if Bevell stays, no
      Walsh, no
      wilson, no
      Shead, yes (if cheap)
      McDougald, no
      Coleman, yes
      Jordan, yes

      Last year was heavy in DB’s to replace legion of boom. This year should be getting explosive weapons (RB/WR) for Wilson to utilize. The D is old and the OL will continue to be average at best, get weapons

    • Trevor says:

      Interesting post Greg.

      – Signing Richarson is a must IMO. They can rebuild the defense around a domaint young DL with Richardson, N Jones , Reed, McDowell, Clark add in Jordan and you have 6 young versatile DL on par with any group in the league. That does not even include Clark or Avril.

      -Love Bennett and Avril but I think we have seen the last of Cliff unfortunately and MB likely has a year or two left in the tank at best. If JS could get a 2nd for MB I would jump at it.

      – I think Sherm will be back next year as he has no trade value coming off that injury. I hope they resign Shead and Maxi and let Lane walk. I would not be opposed to a CB being drafted early as I can’t see them giving Sherman the big $ deal he will want.

      – Really hope Kam can bounce back but if not Mcdougal is a must sign and in a dream Sceanrio Derwin James some how falls to us in Rd #1 to replace Kam (fantasy land I know).

      – Need to draft an LB for sure. Maybe a guy like Victor from the Huskies in the mid rounds who has big time upside.

      Offense
      -Sign Carlos Hyde and draft an RB like Penney from SDST in the 4th.
      – Extend LT Brown is an absolute must
      -Let Joeckel walk unless a really team friendly deal
      -Jimmy is a tough call as he finally seems like part of the O. Ideally you can sign him but depends on cap situation I guess. If I have the choice of Jimmy or Priich and Willson I go with option #2.

      • Greg Haugsven says:

        Good stuff Trevor, a lot of of you guys c are really god at the draft stuff. I really enjoy free agency and the cap stuff. I agree with your last comment. I would rather have P Rich and Luke Willson than have Jimmy Graham.

        • Greg Haugsven says:

          I’m torn on Carlos Hyde if he left SF. RB shelf life is so short that he might only have 2 good years left. I think I might prefer a cost friendly rookie. But I do think Hyde would fit here well.

  44. House says:

    Joeckel is back and will lineup next to Brown. Brown-Joeckel-Britt-Pocic (speculation he starts over Glowinski)-Ifedi. That’s 3 1st rd picks and 2 2nd rd picks on the OL.

    Griffin did not pass the concussion protocol in time and will not play Sunday.

    Let’s smash the 49ers like I know we’re capable of. I think it’s realistic to see us averaging 27-28 pts/game for the rest of the season.

  45. Old but Slow says:

    Over the years as a Seahawk fan, I have gathered a collection of players that I revere. Steve Largent was the first, and there was Easley, Cortez, Walter Jones, and others like Dan Dorninck (or how ever it is spelled, all hail doctor Dan). My jersey is #38, Strong.

    My new adds are obvious, but: Earl Thomas and Bobby Wagner. What a surprise, eh?

    Interestingly, both are a bit undersized. That spreads the perception of the positions. They redefine the limits that scouts observe. You can’t measure this kind of talent, the ability to diagnose, respond, and get there. Very special players. Period.

    • Hawk Eye says:

      not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.
      Earl, Wagner, Russell, and on other teams, Donald, Atkins, lots of other players that just have a great will to succeed. In a physical game like football, that is critical. You have to take punishment and dish it out and not be afraid of it. The 2013 Hawks had more guys like that than anyone else and teams feared them. Now, others have copied, players and coaches have left and the fear is gone. Can they get it back??

      Unfortunately, that also leads us down the path of concussions and lots of other long term disabilities for these guys. I wish that was not true

    • 503Hawk says:

      Your fav list is nearly identical to mine. Largent, Easley, Kennedy, and Jones because they were all dominant game changers. I would add Lynch. I know he was a real diva, probably more so than the average fan will ever know. But that beast changed games! Not only did he set the tone for the O, but he set the tone for the ENTIRE TEAM! That’s what I call “dominate game changer”!
      His controversial nature maybe what keeps him out of the HoF.

  46. drewdawg11 says:

    I think if there was a way to trade down a little and somehow acquire both Billy Price and Penny, that would be amazing. I’m truly sick of the revolving door at guard, and he’s also a great backup center if something happens to Britt. I’d anyone else comfortable with Britt missing time? I’m not. Price would help clear a path for Penny and Carson and give Russell more of a picket in which to step up. We also need to really have a 2010-2011 type hit rate with our later picks the way we did with Sherman, Kam, etc. protect the franchise QB, give him a running game, take the pressure off of a potentially transitioning defense. Oh.. and get a kicker and possibly find Jon Ryan’s replacement. That guy resides in Utah right now.

    • Aaron says:

      Would love Penny if Harris is taken. I prefer Will Hernandez over Price. Solid guard with good pass pro and excellent run blocking. Plays with a nastiness unseen at guard here since Sweezy left. I think we’re gonna keep Joeckel though so maybe we need another tackle to compete with Ifedi next season.

      • Mark Souza says:

        I was not a Sweezy fan. Yes, he really slobberknocked some people, which was fun to watch. But 80% of the time he’d miss in his overzealous attempt to pancake someone. The art of blocking is to get in your opponent’s way every time, so he can’t make a tackle or a play, even if it doesn’t look impressive, and to keep blocking until after the whistle blows. I always wanted Sweezy to play more within himself so he could be consistent. But he never did.

  47. AlaskaHawk says:

    Congratulations to Penny for a 2 touchdown 203 yard game as San Diego running back. I think he will be available in third round.

  48. DC says:

    Chip Kelly to UCLA is interesting. My best hope for that is that he bleeds USC a bit on the recruiting front & simultaneously flops in his own coaching duties.

    • cha says:

      Can he do a Saban and follow great CFB success with an NFL flop and then return to CFB success? Hard to say. Feels like it really depends on the power structure. He had way too much control in Philly. His personnel moves were baffling and he alienated his players.

      I think at the very least UCLA will be interesting to watch, and that’s not nothing.

    • Volume12 says:

      He’ll do alright. UCLA will get sick of his tinkering, but they put up with Mora and they’ll put up with him.

      Who gets the Florida gig? Willie Taggart or Charlie Strong?

  49. SheHawk says:

    Would’ve liked to see Seahawks go after Chip Kelly for OC but he stays in Pac 12 yikes!
    Don’t see coach Pete going to Tennessee….. they seem too corrupt and SEC doesn’t fit him.
    Pac12 has legitimate issues with TV contracts that impact schedule. Bad game times that have hurt our teams. Coach Pete was right to push back! (despise ESPN for cupcake skit and how they control and steer CFB playoff via media hype.)
    Apple Cup –
    When I was little my Coug dad took me to Husky games. This Dawg attended UW during Don James heyday and later married a Coug. Our girls are husky and coug… We are true house divided. I support cougs on all games BUtT Apple Cup – a position which unfortunately, is not reciprocated by many of my coug friends. Today is great as we ALL finally can sail-gate in day light, bring little ones to game decked out in purple + gold AND crimson + gray!! (( Look around at game and note how many other families you see who are “house divided”. what a fun day! ))
    I challenge my UW buddies to enjoy listening to a Mike Leach presser and watching Hercules and WSU speedD do their thing. Everyone should take a moment to reflect on how truly epic the Luke Faulk record book is and what he’s meant to improving our rivalry by helping the cougs turn around. For cougs as always keep it friendly and honestly hope you enjoy watching this husky team. Vita Vea’s last home game 😨:((( D. Petis – G Gaines such a great senior class. Honestly, I’d be happy for either team to win…Dont want Stanford to claim the north.

    The REAL winners today are the fans! Go Apple cup 😁 😁

  50. Volume12 says:

    Let’s get a discussion of different opinions going. Anyone feel free to answer.

    You can have any 2 players in the NFL, one on offense and one on defense, to start a franchise with. Who you going with?

    • drewdawg11 says:

      Offense: tough call. I’m split between a healthy Tyron Smith, Zack Martin, or David DeCastro. Second place hoes to goes to Todd Gurley.

      Defense: before the Injuries it would have been JJ Watt, hands down. Now it would probably be Joey Bosa due to his versatility and youth.

      • Volume12 says:

        RW amd Aaron Donald for me.

        • drewdawg11 says:

          I wound have said Donald, but he and Sheldon play the same position and we need that plugged in there as well. Heck of a pass rush, however, especially if you can play one at DE on early downs.

          • drewdawg11 says:

            I seriously read the question too quickly. I was picking guys I would add to Seattle’s roster, not with whom I would start a team. Sorry guys. I would go young and cheap. Bosa and Watson.

            • Volume12 says:

              I was gonna say. Tyron Smith? Sure. DeCastro and Martin I thought were… interesting.

            • Volume12 says:

              Bosa and Watson are 2 names that have not come up yet and I’ve been playing this game all weekend.

              I like those choices a lot.

              • Derron James says:

                I say Donald on defense, and Tyron smith

              • drewdawg11 says:

                I just think that when you build a team you do it with guys who are young and hungry, and less wear and tear. Stars before they make their money>>> Stars who have arrived.

        • C-Dog says:

          Hard to argue against RW and Donald.

    • cha says:

      How about Earl Thomas?

      DL’s you can triple team, CB’s you can just ignore his WR, LBs have a short effective shelf life, but a FS who can ball hawk covering deep, QB the defense, slot corner whenever it’s called for and shoot gaps to stone RBs ? Beauty.

      Was it Arians who recently said he had 2 offensive game plans, one for if Thomas plays and one for if he doesn’t? One of the HC’s the Hawks faced said it. Think about that. Didn’t say that about Sherman, Wagner, Sheldon or Bennett.

      That’s a guy I’d build my defense with.

    • Trevor says:

      Russ on offense / option #2 a healthy Deshawn Watson

      Aaron Donald on Defense / Von Miler option #2

    • Thy Hawk is Howling says:

      I’d start my team with Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner! It’s awesome I’m a Hawk’s fanatic!

      If not them Watson sure was impressive so either him or maybe Wentz. On Defense Probably Watt, Donald, or maybe Bosa he’s still a pup however.

      Go Dawgs

      Go Hawks

      • Greg Haugsven says:

        I agree with Aaron Donald. A pass rushing run monster in the middle which is young. The other one wold be a young QB, Russian would be a good option.

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      If we were just doing one season to put together a winning team. I might go Earl Thomas and Matt Stafford. Those guys make the players around them better.

      Stafford can win playing with and against anybody in the world. Yeah he’ll throw one less pick than touchdowns, but he might be better than Russ at winning games late.

      If we’re going with a long term model, age is a factor and I probably change my picks to Tyron Smith and Aaron Donald.

      If yoy wanna g super young yu take Garrett and Fournette and dont look back

  51. Volume12 says:

    Really like Florida’s Haven Bryan, thanks Rob, been having a helll of a game, but man does he have some issues to fix.

    No moves just rushes upfield, seems to struggle locating the ball, and just not sold that he understands what he’s seeing yet. He’s got a tough decision to make. Wouldn’t blame him if he did leave after the sh**t show that has been this season down in the swamp.

    Late 1st-early round 2 right now.

    • Volume12 says:

      *Taven

    • Volume12 says:

      Having said that, the get-off and strength is elite.

    • DC says:

      Speaking of suspended Florida players. You see the Hawks with any late round/ufa interest in RB Jordan Scarlett? He fits the profile or near to it.

    • Trevor says:

      Agree completely Vol! Great athlete and raw talent but more of a project with elite upside than a day #1 starter. Seems like the type of guy that if JS wanted to target he could work is 1st round trade back magic and acquire a 3rd Rd pick. Then pick him in the late 1st early 2nd.

      That being said he could blow up the combine and be a big riser.

      • Volume12 says:

        Combine will be big for him, yes.

        I liked the film of Jordan Scarlett quite a bit. Tough to say. He could come back or transfer.

  52. Volume12 says:

    Who the hell is Seattle enamored with on Stanford?

    • Volume12 says:

      They’re all over the place today and late in the season, it usually tell you who they’ve zeroed in on.

      S. Florida/ UCF
      Florida St./ Florida
      Penn St./ Maryland
      L’ville/ Kentucky
      ND/ Stanford

      • GoHawks5151 says:

        From Stanford, Harrison Phillips or Love got to be right? Seattle been to Alabama games multiple times too

        • Volume12 says:

          Would think so. Could also be CB Quenton Meeks, TE Dalton Schultz, LB Bobby Okereke, WR JJ Arcega-Whiteside.

          From what I can find it goes like this…

          Stanford 4 x’s
          ‘Bama 4 x’s
          USC 4 x’s
          Udub 3 x’s (JS personally at one of those)
          ND 3 x’s
          Florida St. 3 x’s
          Marshall 3 x’s

  53. Kenny Sloth says:

    This just in; Cassius Marsh signs with OKC Thunder

  54. drewdawg11 says:

    This Iron Bowl is showcasing some serious talent all over, but especially running back. Johnson has done a little of everything, and Scarborough just got loose and scored. (Salivating)

  55. drewdawg11 says:

    Auburn is about to put the hammer down! Trick play and they are on the doorstep again. I agree, Bama is relying too much on the pass and they don’t look like they know how to use the short and intermediate passing game. Stidham looks like an NFL prospect right now. I don’t understand the Bama game plan.

  56. Ishmael says:

    Johnson gets injured, Alabama players go straight for the ball. Sport is my favourite sometimes. Hopefully he’s okay.

  57. Greg Haugsven says:

    Trevor commented on a post I wrote earlier in this thread and brought up a good question. Which option would you rather have for 2018?

    Option 1: Jimmy Graham

    Option 2: Paul Richardson & Luke Willson

    • Rob Staton says:

      Well, technically they might be able to find a way to keep all.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Easy choice for me: it would be option 1. We have Darboh to ease into PRich’s role over the off-season if need be. We have Vannett to cover fine for Willson’s absence, as seen yesterday. We have nobody to produce TDs for us like Graham currently is.

      In general, I think JS should stick to his old ways of no contracts in the $2m-6m range outside of rookie contracts (R1) and ST. Pay up to keep your core players, and build around them with cheap draft picks who have a shot at developing into something more down the road. This forces you to give young and hungry players playing time early on and not overpay for mid-level players.

      Of course, there can be exceptions, especially for a player who is willing to sign in that range when he could be worth more elsewhere. (maybe McDougald this time around. Last year it was Rubin.)

      But right now, that would mean bye bye Lane ($5.7m) and Lacy ($4.2m). Perfect!