Notes below. Happy New Year!
Feel free to use this as an open thread for tonight’s two college football playoff games.
1. Cleveland Browns — Myles Garrett (EDGE, Texas A&M)
2. San Francisco 49ers — Mitch Trubisky (QB, North Carolina)
3. Chicago Bears — Jonathan Allen (DE, Alabama)
4. Jacksonville Jaguars — Jabrill Peppers (S, Michigan)
5. Tennessee Titans (via Rams) — Reuben Foster (LB, Alabama)
6. New York Jets — Leonard Fournette (RB, LSU)
7. San Diego Chargers — Jamal Adams (S, LSU)
8. Cincinnati Bengals — Solomon Thomas (DE, Stanford)
9. Carolina Panthers — Ryan Ramcyzk (T, Wisconsin)
10. Cleveland Browns (via Eagles) — Dalvin Cook (RB, Florida State)
11. Arizona Cardinals — Marlon Humphrey (CB, Alabama)
12. Buffalo Bills — O.J. Howard (TE, Alabama)
13. Indianapolis Colts — Tim Williams (EDGE, Alabama)
14. New Orleans Saints — Takkarist McKinley (EDGE, UCLA)
15. Philadelphia Eagles (via Vikings) — John Ross (WR, Washington)
16. Tennessee Titans — Sidney Jones (CB, Washington)
17. Baltimore Ravens — Demarcus Walker (DE, Florida State)
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Quincy Wilson (CB, Florida)
19. Denver Broncos — Garett Bolles (T, Utah)
20. Washington Redskins — Zach Cunningham (LB, Vanderbilt)
21. Detroit Lions — Charles Harris (EDGE, Missouri)
22. Miami Dolphins — Adoree’ Jackson (CB, USC)
23. New York Giants — Budda Baker (S, Washington)
24. Kansas City Chiefs — Mike Williams (WR, Clemson)
25. Houston Texans — Taco Charlton (EDGE, Michigan)
26. Green Bay Packers — Derek Barnett (DE, Tennessee)
27. Pittsburgh Steelers — Deshaun Watson (QB, Clemson)
28. Seattle Seahawks — Haason Reddick (LB, Temple)
29. Atlanta Falcons — Jalen Tabor (CB, Florida)
30. Oakland Raiders — Christian McCaffrey (RB, Stanford)
31. New England Patriots — Obi Melifonwu (S, Connecticut)
32. Dallas Cowboys — Malik McDowell (DE, Michigan State)
The Seahawks take who?
Yes, after days of talking about the O-line, the running game and interior pass rush — in this mock the Seahawks take a linebacker in round one.
Here’s the thing. A lot of the guys we’ve talked about being possible targets for the Seahawks are rising up the board. Garett Bolles looks like being a top-20 lock. I’d love to continue to pair him with the Seahawks — but is it realistic?
Even if someone like Vita Vea declares — he’ll likely head straight into the top-20 because he might be Haloti Ngata.
I could’ve given them a different defensive lineman or D’Onta Foreman — but I need to see their combine workouts to fully understand if they’ll be targets or not.
Troy’s Antonio Garcia is said to be a big riser according to Tony Pauline. Yet there’s very little tape available online at the moment.
The one thing you can always fall back on with the Seahawks is they love grit, beating adversity, freaky athleticism and production.
Step forward Haason Reddick.
At his junior pro-day he reportedly ran a 4.47 at 6-1 and around 230lbs. He also supposedly had a 10-10 in the broad jump and a 36-inch vertical.
Let’s compare this to Bruce Irvin’s combine:
Forty: 4.50
Broad jump: 10-3
Vertical jump: 33.5 inches
We’ll have to see if Reddick can back up the numbers above — but there’s your comparison.
Now let’s compare the two statistically:
Bruce Irvin’s two years at West Virginia
— 29 TFL’s
— 22.5 sacks
— 5 forced fumbles
Haason Reddick final two years at Temple
— 35 TFL’s
— 15.5 sacks
— 4 forced fumbles
— one interception
Reddick’s a former walk-on at Temple. Here’s what I wrote about him earlier this month:
In High School, Reddick suffered a fractured femur and missed an entire season. Upon his return, he suffered a torn meniscus. With no tape to impress potential landing spots in college, he went to Temple University with the intention of becoming a regular student.
His father grew up in Camden with one of the Owls’ assistants — Francis Brown — and put in a good word for him. He was offered the chance to walk-on.
Even then it wasn’t plain sailing. He was told there was no place for him on the team. A change of coaching staff from Al Golden’s crew to Matt Rhule’s led to one last chance and he took it and eventually earned a scholarship.
The rest is history.
If they’re looking for an impact player with great athleticism that has battled adversity — Reddick could be a target. He’s accepted an invite to the Senior Bowl where he’ll have a chance to bolster his stock.
A few weeks ago we talked about being able to possibly draft Garett Bolles, Haason Reddick and Shalom Luani in the same draft class. They could all end up in the top-50 by the end of April.
I know this won’t be many people’s ideal scenario. That’s not the point though — we’re here to look at different options and possibilities.
Could they trade down?
With two quarterbacks (Trubisky, Watson) off the board there’d be every chance. Some teams will want a shot at Deshone Kizer.
What would this mean in terms of Seattle’s big needs?
They’d still have a second rounder to get an impact player — but if they’re picking someone like Reddick they likely would’ve filled some needs in free agency.
Were they able to land an interior disruptor like Calais Campbell? Some veteran help for the O-line? Add a physical running back?
It’d be a lot of work to do in free agency — but not impossible. And any one of these needs could still be addressed in rounds two or three. The Seahawks are expected to receive an extra third round compensatory pick.
Who might they target later on?
Depending on what they do in free agency, here are some suggestions:
Bradley Chubb (DE, NC State) — he’s 6-4 and 275lbs with the tools to be an inside/out type rusher. He had 21.5 TFL’s this year and 10 sacks. The 21.5 TFL’s are the second best in school history behind Mario Williams’ 27.5 in 2005. He’s the cousin of Georgia running back Nick Chubb. We know Chubb had an explosive performance at his Nike SPARQ Combine so there’s a chance Chubb will have an exciting physical profile too.
Shalom Luani (S, Washington State) — Exciting, underrated safety with the range to cover a lot of ground quickly and the physical toughness to play up at the LOS. His backstory is the definition of grit and he could easily be a fast riser into the earlier rounds. If the Seahawks want to tap into a strong safety class and get some quality depth for Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor, this could be their guy.
Forrest Lamp (T, Western Kentucky) — Probably more of a guard at the next level, Lamp came to prominence with a strong performance against Alabama earlier this year. The Seahawks want intelligent, explosive offensive linemen. We’ll see if Lamp has the physical profile at the combine — but his personality and character will be very attractive to teams.
Adam Bisnowaty (T, Pittsburgh) — He was a highly rated four-star recruit in High School with a wrestling background (something we know Tom Cable likes). He could compete at tackle or guard. He wears Evan Mathis’ #69 and there are some similarities in their style. Tony Pauline has compared Bisnowaty to Ricky Wagner — a free agent-to-be from Baltimore.
Dalvin Tomlinson (DT, Alabama) — Massive, athletic defensive tackle from a system we know the Seahawks appreciate. Great character, has battled some adversity. Talented musician and artist too. Not the best pass rusher but could forge a solid career as a Tony McDaniel type.
Chad Wheeler (T, USC) — At times really looks the part of a future pro tackle. Consistency isn’t always there and he has a tendency to lunge. If he can correct the technical issues he has a skill set worth monitoring. One to watch at the combine.
Elijah Qualls & Greg Gaines (DT’s, Washington) — Reports suggest Vita Vea won’t declare but it’s not clear what Qualls and Gaines intend to do. Both are really disruptive nose tackle types, capable of causing problems in the passing game and not just the run.
You could include others too. Dorian Johnson, Dan Feeney, Caleb Brantley, Chris Wormley, Dion Dawkins, Taylor Moton to name a few. The combine will reveal a lot as usual. We’ll have a better idea of the names to watch.
Derrick Nnadi announced after FSU’s Bowl victory yesterday he won’t be declaring for the draft.
Who moves up in the mock?
Solomon Thomas was outstanding in his Bowl game against North Carolina. He completely dominated throughout, making several splash plays including the game decider. On that evidence he’s going in the top-15. No doubt about it.
Taco Charlton was very productive against Florida State. Missouri’s Charles Harris hasn’t had much attention this year but teams will love his skill set and profile. Both will likely go in the top-25.
I prefer Garett Bolles to Ryan Ramcyzk but won’t ignore the noise that Ramcyzk is highly rated. Bolles’ age might be an issue for some teams (25 in May) but he should still crack the top-20.
Why aren’t you dropping Jabrill Peppers like everyone else?
Myles Garrett had 15 TFL’s in 2016. Guess how many TFL’s Jabrill Peppers (a safety/linebacker) had?
15.
He also had 3.5 sacks, seven QB hurries, an interception, a punt-return score and he averaged 6-yards per touch in the running game on offense.
Peppers was highly involved in virtually every Michigan game. He doesn’t have eight picks like Earl Thomas in his final year at Texas — but he still found a way to have a major impact.
Great mock. Think your you’re top 20 is fairly realistic. Couple notes:
Think Barnett goes higher. Believe guys like Kizer, Njoku & Davis will also sneak in.
Looks like Nnadi is staying in school per his postgame tweet. McGinchley & Nelson have asked for an official draft projection so they too may sneak in.
I still favour the idea of trading up 6 spots to get Bolles. Alternatively looking at McDowell or Smoot or Phillips as bigger pass rush guys. Still think Reddick is a big possibility in the 2nd.
I agree about Barnett.
Really curious to see if the two ND OL come out because it may push Bolles down a little if someone like McGlincheys youth and upside. I prefer Bolles but my finers are crossed the age scares some team off.
I think Rob nailed it with Denver being an ideal slot for Bolles so if we want him would likely have to jump in front of them.
I would like to see the Hawks invest their draft/FA capital on a few impact players that they are absolutely sure are an upgrade. Gone are the days of trading down to build depth — there is no room at the inn. Unless you’re gonna take a flier on a bunch of high ceiling/low floor guys and let them compete in camp hoping you find a diamond in the rough. But I would rather see them trade up for a Bolles if they really believe in him — and/or make a big splash at RB/interior DL. I suspect Campbell is going to break the bank for some team.
Having said that, I’m all in with the current squad. This is the little team that could and I’m hoping to see a guy they have already put their faith in break out at the end of this 2016 run. On thing is for sure, I can’t bear to see another of our boys have a limb snapped in super slow motion reply. That has been ROUGH.
Rob – if Fournette is really available at #6, could you see the Hawks pulling a Falcons/Browns-style trade and moving up to get him? The Jets are an old team in need of a talent infusion. Are there productive players currently on the Seahawks that you would be willing to part with, as part of a package to land Fournette?
I wouldn’t rule anything out.
Who predicted the trades for Percy Harvin or Jimmy Graham? Or the FA additions of Bennet and Clark?
You never know what could happen.
I think any big move though would need to follow a very aggressive free agency.
If you sell the draft (which I’m not for) and it played out as Rob has outlined above, why set your limit on Fournette if Dalvin Cook were sitting there at 10?
I don’t care if he’s not a seahawk style rb. That dude is a Percy Harvin from the rb position without the attitude. You just find a way to give him 15 touches a game no matter what system you play in, and if you want a chains moving grinder you find him some other way.
Whoever gets Cook is going to be very happy.
Can you really trust Darrell Bevell to get Cook 15 touches when he can’t get Jimmy Graham 10? When he couldn’t call anything for Percy Harvin that wasn’t a jet sweep or bubble screen? When it took him forever to get Tyler Lockett some of the targets that were going to Kearse?
I would say no.
Not sure about scheming, I’ve had my frustrations with Graham’s usage.
Just responding to how everyone seems to get locked into one guy as the answer and the must have, versus other players and alternatives out there. If selling the draft is one possibility (of which I don’t like personally, but considering that they are appearing to go all in on the current roster for an sb appearance, it does increase the likelihood of the scenario), we can’t ignore other guys out there that are not named Fournette.
I don’t have a problem with mortgaging the draft to get another offensive weapon, I’m just concerned that Darrell Bevell would waste the investment by not using it.
agreed 100% great talent but definitely would be wasted here in Seattle
I was thinking the same thing. Forget Fournette. What I saw from Dalvin Cook against Michigan convinced me that if the Hawks were going to trade up then it should be for him.
But then I started thinking that there are several guys at different positions the Hawks could grab at a higher spot: DE/DT Demarcus Walker, WR Corey Davis. If the Hawks can find Rawls as a UDFA, certainly they can find a Dalvin Cook clone in rd 2-3.
Jax D is already good and their RB stink. Why do you think they would pass on LF? If Ten drafts like that, with an already good D, it’s going to be top D.
I think LB is a big need as long as the player can play DE on passing downs like Irvin, since Wagner and Wright are 3 down backers.
Reddick/Bennett/Clark/Avril/Wagner/Wright on passing downs
I really don’t see Reddick as a pass rusher. He is a great athlete and LB but I don’t see a natural pass rusher like Bruce. I get the comparison but not as a pure pass rusher.
Than I wouldn’t like the pick. I think I would prefer a trade back or any of the picks after the Hawks would be better value.
Tabor (if he wins the battle with Shead, can replace Lane)
Mc (he is as versatile as they come, if the Hawks continue to prefer the read option, he would be an asset)
Obi (can be Buchananon clone)
McDowell (still need help on the line)
Reddick — 10.5 sacks, 21.5 TFL’s this year.
If you think he can play DE on passing downs, I am down. I think a playmaker is needed, I just wouldn’t want them to spend a 1st on someone that can’t play all downs.
Check the highlight video above — some nice looks at him at DE there.
I only worry about the competition he played against
I’m not as concerned about that purely because he dominated the guys he played. Would only be worrying IMO if he didn’t stand out.
Recent report suggested they won’t consider a RB in round one.
Where did you see it? I’m interested in reading it.
Source?
Can’t find it on a quick Google scan but saw a report saying they would do something else early in the draft.
Thats certainly important if true.
Could be early smokescreens.
There might be a player that forces their hand at the combine interviews
Rob I like the mock and agree completely with the guys you have rising.
The only pick I don’t like is the Riddick pick. PC / JS have always aggressively filled areas of need in the draft early. The two areas of weakness straight from Pete are interior pressure and run game / OL.
I like Reddick as a player but a non-pass rushing LB just seems like a luxury pick not a need and I just don’t see him being that special to justify passing on the best interior pass rusher / OL or big RB.
“PC / JS have always aggressively filled areas of need in the draft early”
As noted in the blurb, this mock assumes they were able to address these needs in free agency, allowing them to focus on impact players.
Plus — he is a pass rushing LB. He would be an Irvin type.
As state above, I’m all in for that. Need a playmaker that can help stop the run on 1st/2nd and rush the passer on 3rd.
What about Cam Robinson? I don’t see him in there. Your not a fan I’m guessing?
Not a fan.
Really hoping one of these 10 are there when we pick as they could all have an impact day #1 IMO.
OL / DL / RB / Difference making athlete at DB.
#1 Bolles
#2 D Walker
#3 S. Thomas
#4 Adoree Jackson
#5 T Charlton
#6 D Barnett
#7 Tak McKinley
#8 V Vea
#9 Donte Foreman (Combine depending)
#10 B Baker
Rob you are so right about all the elite athletes seeming to be on defense now. I can’t ever remember the talent disparity on one side of the ball being so great in a draft.
The top-end talent on the defensive side of the ball in this draft is ridiculous. I bet you could name up to 25 defensive players who could warrant solid or borderline 1st round grades.
I like your guys Trevor, I’d throw Ramsyck in there as well.
Yeah if he comes out he has to be a consideration as well along with Mclinchey.
I’m curious about where OJ Howard will land. Why Buffalo? Seems like they have a lot of different needs, is tight end the most pressing issue for them? I’m guessing that he could fall but still be taken in the first round. If he gets to Seahawks spot is he worth looking at?
I’m not so sure that Denver will pick a tackle. Okung played okay for them. I saw a few mistakes but he held up well against Kansas. The right tackle spot could be upgraded – but should it be there? Or will they go for a defensive linemen? Seems like the defense wasn’t as good as last year.
The Reddick pick – It seems like you are being seduced by dreams of a good combine and measurable stats. I would prefer a player proven against big adversaries who is a game changer and fills an immediate need for the team. A great linebacker is always a need, but in the first round? He seems like more of a second rounder to me. Its also hard that you dangle McCaffrey in front of me and then don’t pick him.
Love some of your other picks. If Seahawks come away with three off that list I would be very happy!
Teams will love Howard.
Buffalo needs a dynamic big target. Someone will take him top-15.
I’m not being seduced by anything regarding the Seahawks — the blurb specifies the pick is conducive with aggressive moves in free agency and that Seattle has often targeted SPARQ’d up, dynamic players who have battled adversity and have major college production. They took Bruce Irvin at #15. I’m willing to consider they might like Reddick similarly.
Denver will not keep Okung, he gets expensive next year and he has not played well enough to justify it.
It was always a 1 year deal that they would walk away from unless he played very well.
And their o line has been as bad as Hawks and Vikings this year
I like this move. We all know the hawks need to fix the running game but you also can’t force the board. I still think the defense is the bread and butter and if the board doesn’t break for offense then inject some new fire onto the defense. I’d look at 2 of Reddick, Luani, and Qualls with the first two picks. I could see a small trade back in 1st to add a 4th rounder and then maybe a trade up in 3rd like they made for Lockett.
Rob, what would you think of the Seahawks going after Jarvis Jones in FA? I dont know much about him but I’ve heard he would be a better SLB in a 4-3 as he’s underperformed in the Steelers 3-4 front.
Not see much of him in PITT to be honest. Liked him in college.
Posted this last night with no response, so here goes again. Happy New year.
Hello everyone, does anyone know how Russell Okungs 3 million bonus, bringing him to 8 million a year, will affect the Seahawks comp pics? Could it be a 4?
Also, Rob consistently mentions that the Hawks will get a 3 for Irvin, but originally it was projected as a 4. Does anyone have any insight? Thanks
Hello- All I see is 12’s – If Rob says the Hawks are getting a 3rd round comp pick for Bruce Irvin then we are. Rob knows his stuff and even predicted the Seahawks take Irvin before the draft. So always trust his judgement in my Eye’s. Don’t know anything about Russell Okung’s deal and couldn’t care less, hope someone can help you with that.
Have a wonderful New Year’s eve Night everyone, be safe and merry!
Go Dawgs!
Go Hawks!
My friend, I think Rob is the greatest resource for Seahawks fans on the Internet. If he is projecting the Seahawks getting #3 pick then that makes me very happy and I believe him. However, over thecap initially had the Seahawks getting a four on the outside of the bubble for a 3. If they were wrong, or if the projection has changed, I am interested to read more about it. I have not had much luck finding updated information on this. Same with OKUNGS salary growing to 8m. Seems like that would put us in line for a 4. But I don’t know how the comp formula works regarding player bonuses.
Cheers my friend ” All I see is 12’s ” I’ve learned from being on this blog since “The pass we do not speak of” that Rob Staton is incredibly intelligent and he deciphers the draft and American Football very graceful like if that makes sense. He truly is phenomenal with his insight. We are all so very lucky to be able to read his writing.
Go Hawks
I think it might depend on the the 1st year (since the remaining are team options) or if they look at the total. Not sure when they will make the call. I am hoping they can get 1 3rd rd and 2 4th rd comp picks (Irvin/Okung/Sweezy).
I’m not sure personally — OTC haven’t updated their comp pick list. I think there’s a chance it’ll help.
If you look at their cancellation chart (http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/) they have Irvin worth a 3rd, Sweezy worth a 5th, and Okung and Mebane worth 6ths but both cancelled by the Sowell and Webb signings (and I’ve seen it confirmed elsewhere that we cut Webb too late so he still counts).
That means if Okung hypothetically rises to a 4th because of a bonus, the Seahawks would get the 3rd and 4th but Sweezy’s 5th would now be cancelled instead (so it just upgrades one of the picks and doesn’t add one).
Thanks man, I appreciate it! Happy new year!
If Seattle found some solution to the issue of RB through FA or trade, I would really dig this pick. I think this defense has missed the athletic playmaking presence of Bruce this year. IMO, I think it has impacted the run game and pass. Reddick started out as a corner and worked had myself into a rusher. Bruce started out as a safety and worked his way towards being and end. There seems to be a lot of similar traits there.
*himself*
The more I watch tape of Jamaal Williams the more I fall in love with him. He’s a big, downhill runner that would be a great Round 3 pick up. If he can run sub 4.55, I think he could sneak into the 2nd round.
Seattle doesn’t have to spend it’s first round pick on a RB, but if we can get a 3-down running back in the third or second round, I think that’s what we do. Especially considering we still have Prosise and Rawls (even with their injury prone natures).
Does anyone else see a little bit of Demarco Murray in his running style?
J Williams looks pretty good. How tall is he? I tend to think taller (and skinnier)) RB don’t have the balance or low center of gravity to do well. They lack the low center of gravity to make lateral shifty moves that a 5-10, 5-11 guy can do.
I believe he’s 6’2, 220.
J. Williams surprised me with his clean technique despite missing a lot of reps in practice.
I saw somewhere that he has the most forced missed tackles in CFB this year.
6 1, 225 for Williams. I like him as well. He can punish people.
He’s my favorite RB for the value. I’m excited to see how he does in the Senior Bowl. When he has gone up against other solid RBs out there ( Kareem Hunt, Brian Hill etc.), he has outperformed them. His swag and attitude seem Seahawky, and he loves the game of football.
Williams looked good in some games — but he looked kind of average in others. He’s one of a list of RB’s in this class that don’t really leap off the screen. I think that’s the problem with this RB class. Lot of guys that probably just end up being average at best at the next level.
You’ll take average in Round 3 though, would you not?
I’m not crazy about him in R3. I want something special at that position — and if they can’t get it in the draft, would rather them take a punt on a vet.
I would be really disappointed if we took a LB in the first.
If we did nothing to address the running game early, I’d hope we had made some free agency moves.
Reddick would be great value at the end of the second.
I’d rather have McDowell every day.
You don’t get athletes like him every round.
I’m actually pretty comfortable with our stable of backs.
I think Collins is an excellent third string back and will grow into the role.
Not sure a rookie is what we need, guys.
Some of us were talking about Alfred Morris yesterday and he’s a zbs wizard. I think we’d have to trade for him which is really unlikely.
I would be ok with this exact same line and exact same running back group.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with them except they are young.
We might wait until day 3 to address tailback/OL
I agree. Love Reddick. Not so much as a 1st.
I think they’ll draft a RB or take a couple in UDFA. You need hedges for Rawls and or Prosise. I dont think this team is anywhere close to giving up on Prosise.
I just see RB as more of a 3rd round pick or down.
Does Chad Wheeler have the smarts to be a Tom Cable target?
I’d like to think Bolles does from his interviews.
Something to consider with every Seahawks target.
Go Dawgs Kenny!
Just kidding buddy, your Ducks will hopefully be much better for ya next year.
Go Hawks
This new coach seems like he’s going to start slow ?
I like what I see from watching the Chronicles of Reddick (Sorry, someone had to say that eventually). I would be okay with the Hawks making that move in the 1st or 2nd rd.
Rob, I looked at WR Ross and I see some talent, but I don’t see him being drafted before WR Corey Davis. You have Ross being taken mid 1st rd and Davis slipping out of the 1st completely. Davis looks bigger, more muscular, more physical, fights for ball and wins more. Davis looks like Dez Bryant in size and talent, and Ross looks skinny and fragile compared to him. Davis is also more well known nationally than Ross. I think Washington would have to beat Alabama and go on to win the National Championship with Ross making spectacular catches along the way before he gets drafted before Davis.
Needless to say, I would be very happy if the Hawks had an offseason like:
Free agency: OL, Calais Campbell
#1 Corey Davis
#2 Move up and take Reddick
#3 RB ( Jamaal Williams?)
I know WR is a luxury pick when the OL and RB position is a greater need, so I only would advocate drafting Corey Davis if the OL and RB were addressed in the offseason. Looking at the WR we have now, they are good but on the smaller/ fast side. Kearse is good at 6’2, and Mcevoy is good at 6’5. It just seems they can use a bigger ” go to” guy like Davis with a bigger catch radius. Of course, we have JG who could be used as a bigger WR as well and would be a nightmare to cover if both of them were on the field together.
I haven’t seen a lot of Ross but it seemed like he is a long strider that takes time to build up speed and won’t have sudden cuts, his biggest strengths are good hands and leaping ability.
I spent about an hour trying to find all the tape I could on Reddick not just hi-lights.
My initial view was that he was an elite athlete facing inferior talent and was more of an athletic LB than a pass rusher. I thought he was a little like Fackrell last year.
Have to admit I think I am underestimating him. My bad Rob! He does look to me a much more natural pass rusher than I originally thought and in some tape against power conference OTs he shows good bend and leverage around the edge.
He is certainly a more complete LB than Bruce was in college particularly in pass coverage which Irvin never had to do in college.
Still would prefer OL or DL in Rd #1 but if the Hawks took Reddick it would be hard to argue with the pick and an LB corp of Reddick, Wags, KJ would be off the charts.
I really like Jimmie Gilbert from Colorado as well. I see a lot of Aldon Smith in his game.
Udub’s Joe Mathis is a top 45 guy for me. Very interested to see him at the combine.
Jesus, unbelievable instincts by Buddha Baker on that near-pick
TD WASHINGTON!!!!
Love that start by Wash!!!! I am from Canada not the PNW but I would so love to see them pull off the upset. Love the way Pettersen coaches and the program he is building and that team is ultra talented.
Long way to go but that is a dream start.
You and me both Trevor. It’s easy to cheer for this group
Trevor you a trailer park lad?
Trailor Park Boy’s for Life!
Ha ha
lol true enough
That’s funny Trevor. I have to be in a mood but Ricky, Bubbles, snd Julian are so fu**ing funny!
Go Canada!
Go Hawks!
Woo hoo!I saw Dante Pettis in motion and called it in me mind. Perfect pass by Browning to the corner of the end zone Touchdown!
This is Epic!
Was that Humphrey who got burned on Pettis’ double move? I like him and Tabor from Florida but they give up too many big plays.
Oh lordy. If they can run like that this is gonna get baaaad.
I’m hoping Scarbrough comes out. Kid has ridiculous upside.
I was just getting online to mention Scarbrough! A little raw, but I think he has the potential to be special at the next level. Do you think he’ll come out?
Tough to say.
Damien Harris will be their guy next year.
He’d be the perfect kind of back to draft this year.
Let him develop and use him only when needed.
Was really hoping Mathis would be playing. Is he still hurt? Will be be able to test etc. during draft season?
I heard he’s 95%.
He couldn’t make it back in time for the bowl game(s), so he already left the Huskies program to prepare for the draft. He should be able to test at 100% in the spring.
I don’t know if someone mentioned this already, but Alvin Kamara declared for the draft yesterday. Even with a few kids withdrawing, the RB class remains strong. Kamara and Hunt intrigue me as R3 targets.
Kamara would be a great option as well. Kind of a smaller guy but is a fighter and a good receiver
This Alabama team looks more like an NFL team than a college team.
Also this game feels like a Seahawks game. You have to at least try and run the football.
Also wonder when the trick play will come.
Bama’s defensive front would give the Hawks’ OL problems…
There’s no doubt about it. This game is about to get fugly
I think K-St DE Jordan Willis is going to blow up the Senior bowl. I like this guy. Couple nights ago was the first time I really focused on him.
Obviously who we grab in FA will determine our draft pick. If we go O-Line, then a DE/DT is a must like DeMarcus Walker. If we end up grabbing someone like Calais Campbell, then we need to grab an OT.
Rd. 1 – Either OT/DT which depends on FA (Bolles or Walker would be prefered)
Rd. 2 LB to fill that Irvin role. Mike Morgan is just serviceable.
Rd. 3 RB – Jamaal Williams. Maybe he is an inch taller than we normally get, but he checks all of the boxes we look for.
It’s being reported that TE Jake Butt is likely to have a Torn ACL or MCL after suffering a knee injury against Florida State.
Roughly how fast is Minkah Fitzpatrick? He seems to have some speed to his game.
Very. Think he tested very well at the Nike Combine if memory serves.
130 SPARQ
I love browning but he’s just not good enough, especially for Bama. Not that there’s many that are but a lot has been left on the feild so far.
I’ve got to say that Browning seems like the weak link on the Washington team. And it’s not just this game, he has had a tough time passing for most of the second half of the season. He isn’t particularly large, or a good runner, or has a great arm. He made some poor decisions right before the half, almost looked like he was trying to throw interceptions.
It’s kind of sad as Washington could have been in the game if they had a better QB. It would have been an uphill battle, but it could have been close. I’m expecting to see Browning for two more years.
Bring me RB Bo Scarbrough please! This kid is special.
I absolutely agree! I don’t see any weakness to his game. Watching him absorb contact at will is impressive.
Agreed. To me he is so much better than Henry was. I would love Scarbrough, Perine, Williams from this class
IDK if he has that stop-start quickness that Henry did. But, definetly comparable.
Bad news is the Huskies got beaten. Good news is the Seahawks found their RB. Bo Scarbrough, damn he’s hard to bring down.
I really enjoy watching him run and bang into people.
Been waiting all year to see this from Bo.
Hopefully he’ll dramatically declare for the draft against all expectations 🙂
Man, it would ne awfully cool, if he did.
He should declare. He’s already 22.
Sweet.
Hey, everybody. Happy New Year and thanks for all the draft talk! Here comes some ideas on RBs:
Like Rob, I’m still on the fence about D’Onta Foreman. At first, I thought he was just hitting wide open holes against vastly inferior defenses, but the more I watch, the more I think he might actually have some of the best vision I have seen so far. Like he is so quick at finding or knowing where the holes will be that he never has to hesitate and can always be coming downhill full speed. Still haven’t decided.
I have cooled off a lot on Samaje Perine. This could be crazy cause it is just an impression from a few Youtube videos, but I honestly think he does not love the game of football. In one interview he even said he would rather be in the gym than on the field. CMike 2.0 as far as amazing physical specimen gym rat that won’t have the football instincts and passion to put it all together in the pros. Not worth the risk for me.
Especially now that Vol. and others have pointed out next year should be better for Seahawky power backs, and there might be some possibilities in FA along with Alex Collins progression, I think we should take advantage and back up Prosise this year: Curtis Samuel (5-11, 197).
I think that might kind of kill a few birds with one stone: get a Tate (5-10, 199) build WR to develop, a KR/PR backup for Lockett, a pass-catching RB to back up Prosise, and all around offensive weapon ala you-know-who (Actually, he’s even a bit bigger than PH (5-11, 192) was coming out.)
Check out these test numbers, from HS I think: 4.37 40yd, 37-inch vertical, 10’6″ broad jump, 500-pound squat, 400-pound bench press.
Was actually a RB before, but moved to WR to stay involved when Elliot was at Ohio St.
Asked to remember the first flash of greatness he saw in Samuel, Urban Meyer didn’t say the athleticism: “It was his toughness,” Meyer said. “He went in, he was a lead back on a block, and I mean, he just ran right over whoever it was. I remember looking at [strength coach] Mick [Marotti] and just going, ‘Whoa.’
“A lot of times, guys with that kind of skill set aren’t the toughest guys in the world, and as a result, they don’t become much. This guy is a tough guy.”
It would probably make a lot of sense for him to stay in school for his senior year and raise his stock. It is also mentioned he seems to want to finish his degree. But if he does go pro this year, the Hawks should be all over him, cause next year he will probably be out of range.
Assuming a DT in FA (plus Q. Jefferson returning to health), maybe the draft could go something like:
Rd.2 (trade back)- RB/WR/OW Curtis Samuel
Rd.2 (trade up with acquired pick)- Inside/outside DE: whoever falls through the cracks (Smoot?)
Rd. 3- S Shalom Luani
Rd. 3 Comp.- Insert OL here
Rd. 4 Comp.- RB Jamaal Williams (young, versed in ZB scheme, potential David Johnson)
Later- CB projects, DL projects, etc.
If Scarborough and Ballage come out, it could rival next years crop depending on the juniors that come out.
A guy to watch for in UDFA? OK St. RB Chris Carson. NFL frame, extremely physical.
JUCO product who wanted to be one and done last year so he could get paid to buy his family a new house after it burnt down. Was going to Georgia, but HC Mike Gundy got him to flip.
Wow, Ballage is amazing. That speed…
https://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/724651469153046528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Is he leaning towards going back to school then?
I think he is, but don’t quote me on that. ?
If Jamaal Williams is also added, I would really dig this draft. I think Curtis Samuel is a very interesting player.
Really, really fantastic analysis. I love your takes. I need to check out this Curtis Samuel dude.
Do you like Jamaal Williams? He just seems like a different back when compared to Prosise and Rawls. He’s a big, downhill dude that could take 3rd downs and also help grind out games.
Whereas, Rawls and Prosise are much more finesse runners.
Thanks, Nick. Short answer: yes, I like Williams’ potential. Long answer, see this comment from a few days ago:
https://seahawksdraftblog.com/podcast-skipping-bowl-games-seahawks-vs-cardinals#comment-299057
I agree with you on Curtis Samuel Sea Mode. V12 and I had a brief exchange earlier this year about Samuel’s value to a team like SEA. I think it was during the OSU-MICH game.
He’s Harvin without the negative ‘tude, and could play in a number of roles for SEA.
I don’t agree with your revised assessment of Perine. He hates the media and giving interviews like Lynch. Doesn’t mean a thing when it comes to his desire to play the game. I still think he’s one of the better RB prospects for SEA this year.
Having said that though, I have a full-on man crush mode for Bo Scarbrough. Big, strong, fast, agile. Yes please.
Hey, Eric, thanks for the feedback. I am definitely still open to revising that opinion on Perine. As I said, could be waaay off, and the Hawks scouts will be able to do a lot better job than Youtube…
Agree on Bo. If he or Ballage declare they would shoot way up above Foreman and Perine on my board at least.
I actually, of course, hope you are right about Perine so the Hawks can consider him, cause this is just awesome:
http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31000&ATCLID=210262415
Awesome stuff! Thanks for sharing
To help the run game, I actually really like the idea of getting a big guy like Scarborough or Foreman and still finding a way to get Samuel. I really lean on what Wyman said about the state of the runners presently on the team. Then you factor in Prosise and Rawls, possibly Collins, and that starts looking USC deep and they can get really creative with Prosise and Samuel.
EDGE Tim Williams does not have great bend at all. Can struggle turning the corner.
Well looks like an Alabama-Ohio State Championship game lol
Udub stood no chance. Actually, they might’ve had the best one.
We said it before, that Alabama defense is borderline illegal.
U of W will always struggle against teams with larger players. They finally got a defensive line that can match up pretty well with the big teams. But the rest of the team still gets worn down by larger players. It didn’t help that Browning had a lousy passing game, yes he was rushed but he also threw some bad passes and didn’t throw the ball away soon enough. You have to be mistake free to beat Alabama.
Every team in CFB is going to struggle against that Bama Defense. They are large and speedy as F.
I just saw a mock draft on br that had LF going 10th and cook going 16 or 17th. I for one, would be all over going up and grabbing LF if possible. But cook at 17 is very intriguing. What would you guys do?
I still think it’s to rich for LF and Cook just doesn’t seem like a Seahawks type runner. I could be wrong g but that’s my opinion.
Seahawks don’t have enough draft picks to move up. They got too many holes to fill this year. Why not Foreman or McCaffrey as their regular pick?
Trey Adams looked great. Allen did nothing against him.
It’s a young line, maybe next year.
Very impressed with Harrison
Rob. You talked about Peppers in the podcast. Agree he should not fall but if he did, what about the Hawks taking him and trying him at RB? He is an elite athlete.
If he falls they should take him — like every other team outside the top 10.
John Ross draft stock had to take a bit of a beating today I think. He did not seem to want to compete IMO. Was really disappointed as he was the one true difference maker on offense for the Huskies.
That Huskies D played a great game and had NFL talent all over the field.
I doubt it to be honest Trevor — when the QB is visibly on camera mouthing to the offensive staff “I have no time”, on a night when Washington’s offense was shut down completely for the first time all year, I think teams will appreciate how overmatched every opponent (except LSU) is against Bama’s defense. Browning couldn’t get Ross the ball.
LSU didnt score on bama…
LSU didn’t score on Alabama but it was 0-0 for ages and only finished 10-0. If LSU had even an average QB it would’ve been very interesting. They’re the only team that has come close to beating Alabama this year.
Tony Pauline put Dupree as 1st RD grade if he blows up the combine you like him in RD2?
Hard to judge him really because LSU’s QB situation has been rancid for two years.
could be nice value, combine will be huge for him.
Ive been a fan of his since last season. Should go early second. Not a great receiver class, so he could go higher.
Yeah, the pick six really took the wind out of the sails. I actually liked Washington’s strategy of pounding it inside and then attacking the perimeter up to that point. Great play by Anderson. Thought that turned the game, and took Washington away from that. Alabama’s pass rush and coverage was superb from then on out anytime Washington tried to get more vertical.
I don’t think this hurts Ross much at all.
I thought the game turned when Scarbrough converted that 3rd and 9 from the Bama 3. If UW had been able to hold them on that series, they would have had excellent field position, down only 10 points, with most of the 4th quarter left.
Totally
Yeah, that was a crucial play for sure.
Didn’t watch the game, so FWIW. I thought I saw the same from Ross vs. Colorado. Yes, he grabbed that jump ball duck that Browning threw. But there were several plays later in the game where his effort seemed lacking. I got the distinct impression he was a guy who knew his QB wasn’t going to be able to get the ball to him, so why kill himself on the route?
Browning’s struggles down the stretch killed the UW. If you could picture the exact kind of team to give Bama trouble, it would be the Huskies, IF the QB could be quick and accurate in the intermediate passing game. And for some reason, that part of Jake’s game left him during the bye week.
I think we saw today that Ross is gonna struggle against the press if he doesn’t get bigger. Looks tiny compared to all those NFL bodies he was up against.
Agree completely!
That Alabama D really is one of the all time great units in College Football. Wow
Yes they are one tough unit. That line is impossible to block but also has enough agility to chase down a scrambling quarterback. Throw in a blitzing linebacker or two and they are deadly.
The said part about the Peach Bowl is that it’s going to get completely lost how unbelievably great UW’s defense is. Bama is clearly the best defense, maybe ever, but UW is clearly #2 in the country IMO.
Yep, that was an amazing performance by the Husky D. No one besides LSU held Bama under 30 all year long, and despite the Husky O going 3-and-out or turnover every time they touched the ball and forcing them to constantly start defensive possessions on their own half of the field, a Husky unit missing two of it’s best players held them to 17 points on 57 yards passing, 4-of-14 on 3rd down, etc. The offense still needs a major size/strength/speed/talent infusion to compete with Alabama but the defense is already there. Hopefully it can reload successfully for the guys they lose to the NFL this year.
As good as the Husky D was at times… I think if they hadnt let Scarborough have that long TD in the fourth quarter they could have had the juice to win the game.
It was probably going to be a tough haul the way Alabama’s defense was dominating, but that was certainly the back breaking play of the game.
UW couldn’t afford to make any mistakes today. Those 2 turnovers killed any shot they had of staying in the game.
I know you don’t like him Rob but I bet someone takes Cam Robinson in the 1st round.
The problem though with Robinson isn’t what he is physically — it’s character.
Would be interesting to hear Saban’s unfiltered take on him.
I read about the arrest for green & guns in Louisiana. Are there other incidents?
Clemson wide receiver Williams is making some great catches. He is battling for the ball.
Ohio State safety Hooker had a good over the shoulder interception, he has good hands.
Yeah Hooker is a real true play maker at free safety. He is a special player and if he declares should be top 10-15 IMO.
Read somewhere that CAR really want a premier RB to pair with Newton and won’t pass on either Fournette or Cook depending on which is available. That might make Stewart a cap casualty (CAR would save about $5M if they cut him). Wouldn’t mind seeing him in SEA’s backfield in 2017 for the right price.
Not sure why Car would give him up if they don’t need the cap space but that would be awesome. I think Pete really likes him so you would have to think they would go after him.
I don’t have my finger on the pulse of CAR’s cap situation, but I know they’re gonna pay big to keep Kawann Short. Maybe they don’t have to let go of Stewart (he does have $3.5M dead cap), but if they do take Fournette or Cook, there wouldn’t be much need to keep Stewart.
Let’s keep our fingers crossed!
He’d be one of the few FA backs I’d be excited if they added.
Speaking of the cap, which I’m not in the know like others, and its just outta curiosity, how much $ will Seattle role over from this year to next (I know it isnt much)?
Vol, rollover is 4.8M.
Eran, thank you.
Carolina set to have nearly $63m in free cap space in 2017.
With that kind of cap space I really don’t see how they could ever make the case for cutting J Stewart. They are a different team when he plays.
Would love to see him in a Hawks uni though.
With all the elite Safety talent in this draft hard to believe Carolina would not target one of them. That has been an area of weakness for them the last couple of years.
What are the odds of the Saints beating the Falcons this weekend? I sure hope it happens!
Go Hawks!!
About the Same odds as the Cardinals beating us. Go Saints is right.
What’s that I hear? You want Rawls’ toughness with CMike’s athleticism at low draft cost?
Look no further: RB Devante Mays, Utah State
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJR1ZGSapcI
He was a guy I was really high on coming into the year. Supposed to be a great athlete too, but something happened to him this year. IDK if it was injury or what. Could be an UDFA target.
Had to be injury. Only played in 6 games.
Has a 41″ vert and can bench 425
Exactly. Late round or UDFA flier type because of the injury. I couldn’t find a lot of info/updates on it.
He is playing the Gridiron showcase. Ran for 37 att on 259 yds, 3 TDs and a 7 yard average. Last year he was 165 rushes, 966 yds, 9 TDs on a 5.85 yard average.
Seattle likes the Mountain West conference too. They’ve drafted a guy from there 5 years in a row now.
I think it was his knee.
Wow, that’s a special highlight video. He really runs with controlled power. Rawls has power but it’s very much out of control.
Devante Mays might be my new favorite RB. He’s a perfect 5 11 , 230 and flat out punishes people.
Looks like a rematch of last year based on that first half.
Clemson is the one team with enough swag and confidence to compete with Alabama. Have to think Deshawn Watson is the one QB they would have preferred not to face.
Alabama still likely favoured by 10+
For all the praise of UW’s defensive backfield – and rightly so – I thought Bama’s unit was amazing. Except for that early TD catch, they pretty much shut down UW’s WRs, especially on deep routes. Some very impressive players on the backside of that Bama defense.
It was a great effort from Udub. Petersen has done an incredible job. But, your right. This game and really the whole CFB season has been about ‘Gama’s dominance on the defensive side of the ball.
Udub has a great defense too. 9-10 guys that will play and contribute at the next level sometime in the next 1-3 years.
*Bama’s
Odds are pretty high that Seattle will add a guy from each one of these teams this year.
My vote (based on the draft capital needed to select them) would be Scarbrough and either Mathis or King
I would be down with any of those guys for sure!
Can you imagine that Alabama secondary if they had Eddie Jackson as well? He was the leader of that unit before getting hurt.
Scarbrough or Tomlinson.
Mathis or Quails.
I will be very surprised if King is still on the board by the end of round 4. With his length, athleticism, and the NFL always looking for bigger corners now.
I know Trubisky and Kizer are the hot names as QB prospects but if I could only take one QB in this draft class it is Deshon Watson hands down. It is not even close. All he does is make plays, lead and win. Remind you of anyone in a Seahawks or Cowboys jersey?
I’m impressed with Watson too. I wonder how the Huskies would have done with him at QB? Probably still struggled with that Alabama defense. He is playing well. Speaking of qbs, Hurd isn’t bad for a freshman, he is a strong runner.
Hurd is a beast. He could be an RB.
Should have given title to bama a month ago and had 4 team playoff for second.
I think Clemson will give them a run for their money.
they did look damn good
Whomever is coaching Clemsons DL should be on an NFL staff because they just keep churning out pass rushers year after year.
I like DT Carlos Watkins. Just a big, physical DT.
S Jadar Johnson looks like a great backup at the next level too.
Their WR coach, too. Hoo-boy!
Haha, remember that guy that got slammed into the ground by Fournette? Turns out he is quite the athlete himself and shares a name similar to an ex-Seahawk.
S Brandon Bryant, Miss St.
5-11, 216, 4.24 40yd according to his coaches, and I’m somewhat inclined to believe it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx1z9SKhYG8
Will be one to watch for in coming years.
Doesn’t look like 4.2 speed in pads on that run back.
He might not be in pads.
The combine is built for some guys in shorts and shirts.
On RBs, free agency looks pretty bleak. No feature backs except for Leveon Bell, and he will be coveted. If they want a veteran, it will be via trade.
The draft offers a lot of smaller Prosise/Harvin-esque options, not a lot of features beyond the usual suspects like Fournette and Cook, who are out of reach. I do like D’Onta Foreman. Samaje Perrine—if in fact, he proves to be motivated to be an NFL player. Jamaal Williams would be a load, but I question his footwork a bit.
It bothers me to see Dallas riding on Zeke Elliott. Credit to Dallas for taking him early (was worth it) but if he gone in the mid-low first round, in position for the Hawks, he would have solved a lot of problems. Rawls can’t stay healthy, Collins is a disappointment, Prosise is not a lead back.
You think Zeke would be doing anything behind this o line? The dude is running behind all pros.
Agree. Same goes for Dak.
What do you guys think about Chip Kelly as our new OC in 2017? Could it happen?
Please no
Don’t see that happening at all.
I saw one of their candidates for GM might be Louis Riddick. That would be a good move IMO. Former scout for Philly, Seattle, and Carolina.
Interesting. I’m sure we are going to hear some Mike Holmgren rumblings, as well. He’s been interested in that job down there for a while.
28. Seattle Seahawks — Haason Reddick (LB, Temple)
I like the idea and thinking behind the pick, but I just do not see Seattle going LB with their 1st round pick. However… 31. New England Patriots — Obi Melifonwu (S, Connecticut)… if this guy were truly available when Seattle picked….. they pretty much have to grab him. Imagine being able to have a Chancellor 2.0 learning on the job.
To everyone, Happy New Years!
Happy New Year SDB! ?
Happy New Years!!!!
At least Ohio St and Urban Meyer didn’t have the worst performance of the night. That distinction would go to Mariah Carey. What a trainwreck. ?
Lol that is classic! Browns like performance.
Happy New Year to everybody!
What better day to look back 12 months (and then look ahead).
Our primary needs then were multiple OL and at least one DL. Then BeastMode retired and we had to add also RB to the offseason to do first list. With little cap space available our FO got two OL’s that really were supposed to be a security for the draft not going well. They couldn’t provide even that, bad luck or bad evaluation. Then in the draft they covered their needs in the proper way I guess getting multiple OL and RB and trading up when they saw DL on the board that on their draft board should have been gone by at least half a round.
(Un)fortunately the Seahawks draft in the bottom quarter of each round every year it seems so the chances to get first year big time contributors is a lot smaller than for top five picks. So their goal should probably be every year to find second year and after big time contributors in the draft and cover the immediate needs in FA (cap space permitting that is).
So this year with the cap space a lot bigger than last year I hope they address the OL getting at least one “guaranteed” starter at RT or RG and if still possible also the interior pass rush. In the draft they then could focus on BPA and covering the secondary needs. I see them in RB (I know lot’s of you disagree), S, LB and EDGE. And even though I don’t have the expertise to evaluate the draft class at any level it seems that for the defensive side quality and quantity is quite rich on those positions.
My dream scenario: Zeitler and Campbell in FA, and the first 4 picks on RB, S, LB and EDGE in BPA order.
Zietler and Campbell would be my dream scenario in FA as well.
So Myles Garrett officially declares for the draft yesterday. If he doesn’t go #1 overall, some GM needs to be fired immediately.
Also, wouldn’t that have been scary if the 49ers had lost last week and moved up into the #1 slot?! Don’t want to even imagine facing another scary division DLine. Let’s hope there are no surprises today.
Yeah for sure! Last thing we want is for him to fall to 49ers and have to face him the next 8 years twice a year.
The Browns 1st round should be a no brainer IMO.
Garrett #1 as he is a generational talent and then Deshon Watson with the other 1st round pick. They need a leader on offense to bring a winning culture and there is no one better in college football. This kid has Russel Wilson / Dak Prescott type intangibles and if the Browns pass on him for the flavour of the month Trubisky of Kizer it will just add to their list of horrendous decisions.
If they re-sign Collins and Pryor then add Garrett / Watson this team would have some elite talent on each side of the ball to build around.
Here’s one that no one would agree with. If Watson fell as outlined in the mock above, one more pick, I’d take him, learn behind RW, and you may have a future high first round trade bait for a later year.
Other than an occasional turnover as the centerpiece and enemy #1 on Clemson’s offense, I don’t see why people are so down on him.
Yeah I agree. I don’t get it either. They would sooner a guy like Kizer whom struggled the one year he played and won nothing. You would think after seeing the success of Russ, Dak even guys like Brady that the NFL would learn that leadership, work ethic and just knowing how to do what it takes to rally a team an win games would mean more in evaluation. Must be because you can’t measure it.
It will be an interesting draft. As with most drafts, values are misplaced. Some ‘experts’ have Robinson as the #1 OT, mainly due to his measurables and the program in which he comes from. Ramcyzk is #2.
There’s a likelihood that (2) Cams may end up in Carolina and Ramcyzk going to Denver. Although Denver’s blogs have been featuring Bolles as their 1st pick. You never know about choices GMs make. Maybe age may be a factor in Elway’s decision to pass on Bolles.
So, there just may be a chance. From pure talent standpoint Bolles should go to Denver. If that does come to fruition, then I can see them again trading down and picking up a 2nd and 3rd from Cleveland.
Thomas seems to have faith in RGIII as ‘the guy’ to lead the Browns. So, they may be the team in play for Kizer for that trade scenario you mentioned in trading out of the first round. The Browns would have (3) 1st Rd picks, with the last used for a QB that can sit behind RGIII, having a similar skill set.
Reddick could be a likely 1st selection. But, with Cunningham potentially so close, going @ 22, I’d go get him. I think he’s the smartest defensive football player in the draft, not to mention his physical capabilities. He does it all! He plays all LB positions and is a monster against the run. KJ, WAG & HAM could go down as one of the best, if not the best, LB tandem to play in the NFL, potentially. A 2018 3rd Rd for the trade up would be worth it.
As far as OL help Antonio Garcia is my 3rd Rd pick. The film I’ve seen on him shows his athleticism. He moves well and does need stronger hand placement though. But, it’s there for Cable to develop into a starting LT or RT @ 6-7 304lbs. He hasn’t given up a sack on over 400 snaps. I realize the competition may not be as strong for Troy, but it’s still impressive. I like his potential fit, if Bolles is gone off the board.
Would you consider making a move on Cunningham?
I really like Cunningham. Sometimes he’s a ‘pile sniffer’ though. Would like to see him play as aggressive and hard on gang tackles instead of coming in soft.
For example. Watch the Bobby Wagner game tape against Auburn and you’ll see exactly what I mean.
Players I cant wait to see compete at Snior Bowl Practices
RBs
Kareem Hunt, Toledo
Donnel Pumphrey, San Diego State
Jamaal Williams, BYU
Wide receivers
Amara Darboh, Michigan
Travin Dural, LSU
Evan Engram (TE), Ole Miss
Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington
Ryan Switzer, North Carolina
Taywan Taylor, Western Kentucky
Trent Taylor, Louisiana Tech
Offensive linemen
Isaac Asiata (OG), Utah
Zach Banner (OT), USC
Adam Bisnowaty (OT), Pittsburgh
Julie’n Davenport (OT), Bucknell
Dion Dawkins (OT), Temple
Dan Feeney (OG), Indiana
Antonio Garcia (OT), Troy
Danny Isidora (OG), Miami
Dorian Johnson (OG), Pittsburgh
Forrest Lamp (OT), Western Kentucky
Jordan Morgan (OG), Kutztown
Taylor Moton (OG), Western Michigan
Defensive linemen
Montravius Adams (DT), Auburn
Tarell Basham (DE), Ohio
Keionta Davis (DE), Chattanooga
Daeshon Hall (DE), Texas A&M
Jaleel Johnson (DT), Iowa
Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE), Villanova
Takkarist McKinley (DE), UCLA
Carroll Phillips (DE/LB), Illinois
Haason Reddick (DE), Temple
Dawuane Smoot (DE/LB), Illinois
Dalvin Tomlinson (DT), Alabama
Jordan Willis (DE), Kansas State
Linebackers
Ryan Anderson (OLB), Alabama
Vince Biegel (OLB), Wisconsin
Jarrad Davis (ILB), Florida
I like Garcia. Not sure if he’s a true LT or will have to move to RT, but he has some long arms!
With the Niners set to clean house I wonder if this opens up a possibility that Staley will be made available again? Before the trade deadline he was available but for a 1st. Coyle he be available for a 2018 2nd rd pick?
I would love to see A trade for Staley, with the 1st trade to top of 2nd and pick up Lamp and gain a 5th. Pickup Giacomini on the cheap to compete at RT and draft a developmental guy later like Andreas “THOR” Knappe, Storm Norton or Julien Davenport
Then we’d have a line of
LT – Staley
LG – Lampe
C – Britt
RG – Ifedi/Glow
RT – Breno
Backups – Rhees, Hunt, Developmental
On a great 2016 season note, a win today and Falcons loss and the Hawks get #2 again. Also a Lions and Redskins win keep Packers at home.
Hawks/Saints/Redskins/Lions is whom I will be cheering fo.
On to 2017. Saw a news blurp that Cable, Bevel and Richard could get HC interviews. Don’t see that at all, but would welcome all three leaving. I really think the OL philosophy and playcalling need a change. A move to a power scheme and more sophistication in playcalling will help the O greatly. As for Richard, too many breakdowns and bad games for the last two years. I know a lot of injuries, but too many times he stayed stagnant instead of mixing things up.
Open 2017
Bills
Jaguars
Rams
49rs (possible, may want to totally clean house and Chip goes back to college)
Broncos (possible, Kubiak retiring)
Colts (possible, what’s the excuse now)
Chargers (possible, another bad season)
Jets (possible, they are just terrible)
Vikings (possible, he lost locker room)
Saints (possible if Payton goes to LA)
Cable getting a HC gig would be like a belated B-day present for me.
Agree completely Ed fingers crossed today for a Lions and Saints win. If those two things happen our odds of going to the SB triple IMO.
Not sure a new OC, new DC, and a new OL coach in the same year would be anything positive.
I don’t think we need a new OC or DC
Taking my 9 year old daughter to the Seahawks game today as I live outside of Sacramento. After explaining football to her for 45 minutes she asks. OK so what is a first down again?…lol
Classic
Greg, enjoy my man. Hopefully that’s a life long memory for the both of ya. Go Hawks!
Thanks Vol
Her grandfather is a big nines fan and keeps trying to suck her in. I said I do think so, this family is blue and green. I bought her a Seahawks shirt that says ” I dont have a choice, I was born into this”
Love that! Around these parts we all bleed green and blue. And I’m talking here on this blog.
One of my best friends is a die hard 49ers fan and just a hater when it comes to the Hawks. I know how that can be.
That is Awesome!
Enjoy Greg that is what life is all about. Too bad about her grandfathers choice in teams though 🙂
There is zero chance, JS would spend a first round draft pick on Reddick. He clearly would not be ready to start in this defense for at least two years. First round picks are for positions where they expect the player to contribute right off the bat. The only exception I can think of would be a passing down DT/DE that they know can collapse the pocket. This may be a year they trade out of first round to pick up more later round picks.
There’s no way I can even remotely see Seattle go 2 rounds between picks. 3rd-6th. That’s too much sitting around. They’ll make a move.
However, I don’t see them needing a ton of picks this year. 8 seems perfect with the cap space they’ll have in FA.
Here’s a guy who’s been forgotten about. Rob brought him up a month and a half ago or so and I wasn’t high on him at 1st. Thought he was a guy you could find in FA. Boy do I think I’m wrong. Hear me out:
Michigan DL Chris ‘Big Worm’ Wormley- 6’6, 300 lbs. (‘Friday’ reference)
First off I’ll be shocked if those are his official measurements. Looks to be about 6’4, 290 and there ain’t nothing wrong with that.
What an athlete! My god. Imagine this kid at 3-tech in a 4-3 D where he can 1 gap? Scary.
Great versatility. Can and has played everywhere on the D-line. Length looks to be off the charts. Explosive, stays low, very strong. He’s still a little raw in terms of hand usage, but man can this big guy move and fire off the snap. Rumored to run a 4.8 40!
I think teams will love his character. Seems to be a great kid. Harbaugh can’t say enough good things about the type of person he is. He’s outspoken though, but that would fit on our D.
Keep an eye on him. I think he’ll be a late 1st-early 2nd. He’s impressive.
* big time recruit too. Ohio St, Michigan St., Florida, Indiana, Cincinnati, and 2 other schools all wanted him before his junior season in HS was even over.
If he can put up those kind of #s at the combine at that size he will be a riser for sure. Have to think PC/JS will like that the Mich guys have been coached up by Harbaugh.
According to Brock Huard, in the week that he was covering a Michigan game for ESPN, Carroll told him to tell Harbaugh that the Seahawks have been monitoring that defense very closely.
He won’t get outta the 2nd round regardless.
According to Brock Huard, Seattle has been playing close attention to that Michigan defense. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they draft one of those guys up front.
Every profile I have looked at for Reddick lists him at 6 ft or 6-1 and 225-230 lbs?
Is this accurate? If so can someone give me an example of an effective NFL pass rusher that size? I really want to get on board with this guy but size and level of competition scare me.
The NE coaching staff really is at a different level. Every time they pick up a guy he just look so much better playing for them.
Examples
Bennett
Blount
Lewis
Now Floyd who looked terrible this year in Ariz is playing like a star in NE. Brady obviously is a huge factor but so are culture, expectation, scheme and coaching. No team does a better job of putting their players in a position to be successful. I hate them but boy you have to respect them.
Rob, I hope you take as a compliment the fact that I disagree with so much of what you write and say but I keep coming back for more because you consistently provide thought-provoking opinions/ideas and have created the best spot on the web that I’ve found for discussion of these ideas as they relate to our favorite (favourite 😉 team, the NFL draft, etc.
Having said that, still disagree on Peppers, and think NFL teams will, as well. Those TFLs and sacks and INTs are basically Eric Striker numbers as an undersized OLB and he was largely ignored by NFL teams. Now, Peppers is faster and more athletic in space, but coverage is still (IMO) his weak area. Meaning he’s an even more undersized OLB/S hybrid. If he runs in the high 4.4s, maybe I’m wrong, but I still see a guy who is mid- to late-1st, at best.
And I like Reddick, but like others, think we don’t spend a 1st on this position. You’ve said it all along, it’s about helping the running game. This doesn’t help it.
I know this is a seahawks blog…
I think after that loss… a lot of UW players will surprisingly return. I think ross jones and even baker, and especially pettis could all come back for their senior years. I hope all three defensive tackles return also.
Thoughts?
I think Ross, Jones & Baker all go. They are all potential 1st round picks. Pettis should return. I hope all 3 DTs come back but that’s for the Huskies’ sake.
Pettis was never leaving. I don’t understand where this came from in regards to him.
The others though they are gone. Esoecially Ross his stock will never be higher
For folks who are wondering about our actual comp pick position, as I am, all I can find is a May 10, 2016 estimate on overthecap.com that has Seattle getting 2 4th round picks. Bruce Irvin is the veru top 4th round guy. There is such thing as a “snap count adjustment” and I guess that is why Rob believes he will be a 3rd round comp? The secret decoder for that is kept somewhere in Fort Knox. Seattle was also slated to get a 4th for Sweezy who hasn’t played all season. Then there is the Okung question as to whether his $8M vs $5M would change anything. If his $8M counts that would put him higher than Sweezy but still in the 4th round. They also wrote this regarding Okung;
Russell Okung and Kelvin Beachum (click their names for contract details) signed unique deals with Denver and Jacksonville that start off as a one year contract with a team option for four more years at much higher rates. It is my belief that the compensatory formula will consider only that first year of the contract, based upon Brandon Browner giving Seattle only a 6th round pick in 2015 instead of a 5th due to his contract also containing a team option after Year 1. If I’m wrong about that, or if the rules have changed, the following changes would occur:
Denver would get a 7th for Vernon Davis instead of a 3rd for Brock Osweiler.
Seattle would get a 3rd for Okung instead of a 4th for JR Sweezy.
Pittsburgh would get a 3rd or 4th for Beachum instead of a 5th for him.
So does that clear anything up? No…
Why does Rawls just lower his head and try and bang everything up inside? We get it. Your a tough guy.
Nothing wrong with bouncing runs to the outside if that’s where the yardage is.
Seattle needs a coverage specialist at LB man.
They need to show some fight here as well Vol
Agreed. They look pretty lifeless across the board so far. If they can keep it close in the second half perhaps they can pull out another come from behind victory. Playing out of a hole in the first half is sure getting old and won’t hold up against a better team. Not sure if it will even hold up today against a team in the running for the number one draft pick. Come on man.
And that is how you use Jimmy Graham. It could be mostly significant that they actually use him. He is definitely a game changer and they need to get him into the game. Sweet.
Looks like no help is coming from New Orleans.
What no Cam Robinson? Thats great value at the end of the 1st round. Hes a good player IMO. Game tape vs Garrett was awseome.