I’m not sure how often I’ll keep updating these. I wanted to do a new one this week because I’ve had a chance to spend some time looking at new players.
From the Seahawks perspective it’s practically impossible to make a convincing case for anyone at the end of round two. We won’t have a firm grasp of possible options until probably the combine.
They’ll be picking in the late 50’s or early 60’s and with only three picks — will probably trade down.
That said, I do think we can somewhat project how the Seahawks might approach this situation. You can’t wait until the late second or early third round to address a key need. Their first pick in the draft, provided they don’t acquire earlier stock between now and April, is probably going to be spent on a player with upside.
They’ll want to come out of this class with someone with at least first round traits. We’ve seen it in the past. They didn’t have a first round pick in 2013 or 2015 either. When they finally picked, they took Christine Michael and Frank Clark.
Neither player filled a vital need but both had extreme athletic qualities. It’s not an exaggeration to say they’re two of the best combine testers in the last 10 years at any position.
The Seahawks have sought high upside in this range a few times. Golden Tate, Bobby Wagner, Justin Britt, Tyler Lockett, D.K. Metcalf and Darrell Taylor all had a physical profile that created a high ceiling.
We don’t have enough information to consider who could be a similar candidate in 2021 and we won’t have any details for months other than the SPARQ testing numbers.
Until then, I’m probably going to continue to project high-upside prospects to Seattle at a variety of positions. I think a lot of their key needs are going to have to be solved in what will likely be the most unpredictable free agency period in NFL history. Thus, the draft could end up being an opportunity to take a half-court shot on someone with a high ceiling.
Players who last into the late second with great physical profiles always have some kind of issue that concerns teams. In the first mock I gave Seattle incredible five-star recruit Jaelen Phillips (who has a history of concussions) and this week I’m giving them a Florida State defender who has battled injuries and inconsistent play.
First round
#1 New York Jets — Trevor Lawrence (QB, Clemson)
#2 Jacksonville — Justin Fields (QB, Ohio State)
#3 Cincinnati — Penei Sewell (T, Oregon)
#4 Dallas — Shaun Wade (CB, Ohio State)
#5 LA Chargers — Ja’Marr Chase (WR, LSU)
#6 Philadelphia — Micah Parsons (LB, Penn State)
#7 Carolina — Zach Wilson (QB, BYU)
#8 Washington — Kyle Pitts (TE, Florida)
#9 Detroit — Dayo Odeyingbo (DE, Vanderbilt)
#10 Atlanta — Gregory Rousseau (DE, Miami)
#11 Miami (v/HOU) — Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah (LB, Notre Dame)
#12 Denver — Trey Lance (QB, North Dakota State)
#13 Minnesota — Patrick Surtain II (CB, Alabama)
#14 Chicago — DeVonta Smith (WR, Alabama)
#15 New England — Rondale Moore (WR, Purdue)
#16 San Francisco — Elijah Molden (CB, Washington)
#17 Las Vegas — Patrick Jones (DE, Pittsburgh)
#18 Baltimore — Josh Myers (C, Ohio State)
#19 New York Giants — Rasheed Walker (T, Penn State)
#20 Arizona — Jaycee Horn (CB, South Carolina)
#21 Tampa Bay — Walker Little (T, Stanford)
#22 Miami — Travis Etienne (RB, Clemson)
#23 Indianapolis — Kwity Paye (DE, Michigan)
#24 Cleveland — Azeez Ojulari (DE, Georgia)
#25 Jacksonville (v/LAR) — Jaylen Waddle (WR, Alabama)
#26 New York Jets (v/SEA) — Alex Leatherwood (T, Alabama)
#27 Tennessee — Caleb Farley (CB, Virginia Tech)
#28 Buffalo — Pat Freiermuth (TE, Penn State)
#29 Green Bay — Baron Browning (LB, Ohio State)
#30 Kansas City — Ronnie Perkins (DE, Oklahoma)
#31 New Orleans — Dylan Moses (LB, Alabama)
#32 Pittsburgh — Zaven Collins (LB, Tulsa)
Second round
#33 New York Jets — Najee Harris (RB, Alabama)
#34 Jacksonville — Christian Darrisaw (T, Virginia Tech)
#35 Cincinnati — Rashawn Slater (G, Northwestern)
#36 LA Chargers — Wyatt Davis (G, Ohio State)
#37 Dallas — Andre Cisco (S, Syracuse)
#38 Philadelphia — Carlos Basham (DE, Wake Forest)
#39 Carolina — Obinna Eze (T, Memphis)
#40 Detroit — Rashod Bateman (WR, Minnesota)
#41 Atlanta — Jevon Holland (S, Oregon)
#42 Miami — Tylan Wallace (WR, Oklahoma State)
#43 Denver — Monty Rice (LB, Georgia)
#44 Washington — Ambry Thomas (CB, Michigan)
#45 Chicago — Alim McNeill (DT, NC State)
#46 New England — Davis Mills (QB, Stanford)
#47 San Francisco — Aaron Banks (G, Notre Dame)
#48 Jacksonville (v/MIN) — Jordan Davis (DT, Georgia)
#49 Las Vegas — Jaylen Twyman (DT, Pittsburgh)
#50 Baltimore — Terrace Marshall Jr (WR, LSU)
#51 New York Giants — Amon-Ra St. Brown (WR, USC)
#52 Arizona — Jake Ferguson (TE, Wisconsin)
#53 Tampa Bay — Paris Ford (S, Pittsburgh)
#54 Indianapolis — Jaelen Phillips (DE, Miami)
#55 Miami — Jalen Mayfield (T, Michigan)
#56 Cleveland — Jay Tufele (DT, USC)
#57 LA Rams — Nick Bolton (LB, Missouri)
#58 Seattle — Marvin Wilson (DT, Florida State)
#59 Buffalo — Joseph Ossai (LB, Texas)
#60 Tennessee — Chris Olave (WR, Ohio State)
#61 Green Bay — Tyson Campbell (CB, Georgia)
#62 Kansas City — Tutu Atwell (WR, Louisville)
#63 New Orleans — Nico Collins (WR, Michigan)
#64 Pittsburgh — Javian Hawkins (RB, Louisville)
Thoughts on Seattle’s pick
Marvin Wilson is often talked up by the draft media — mainly because he’s been highly touted for so long and you see a lot of group think with certain names. The reality is he hasn’t played well enough to warrant some of the lofty projections on the internet and it won’t be a surprise if he lasts into the middle rounds.
However — there are also reasons why a team like Seattle might take a chance on him.
He’s a former five-star recruit (#4 overall in 2017 per ESPN) with a fascinating physical profile. At SPARQ he was listed at 6-4 and 332lbs (in High School!) and yet he ran an incredible 4.56 short shuttle and a 5.17 forty.
That kind of agility at his size is rare. He has a profile that is heaven sent in terms of physical talent.
Wilson is also known as a vocal leader and was voted a captain at Florida State. He’s already accepted an invitation to the Senior Bowl and he’ll have a chance during 1v1’s to create an impression and elevate his stock.
It would make sense for the Seahawks to consider the future at defensive tackle. Jarran Reed is a free agent after the 2021 season and Poona Ford will play as a restricted free agent next year before also reaching the market (unless either receives an extension).
Drafting someone in April would enable them to get ahead of the game and provide options for the future.
The second round could be a good range for defensive tackles too. In my mock I’ve got the sensational athlete Alim McNeil, dynamic three-technique Jaylen Twyman, nose tackle Jordan Davis and USC’s powerful Jay Tufele listed.
I wrote about Wilson back in May in one of my draft preview pieces. Here are some of the negatives from the tape:
For starters he’s tall (6-5). When you’re playing exclusively inside at that size you’ve got to master leverage. Too often he plays upright and his pad level means he cedes leverage. He doesn’t control double teams in the way Raekwon Davis did at Alabama. He can get jolted backwards and the very least you expect from a player with this build is to be stout at the POA.
His gap discipline isn’t always great either. That can be blamed on scheme and coaching. You have to commit to it. At Alabama they do (as they do in Seattle). Other teams are happy to play free and fancy — to attack and try to find gaps rather than handling your business. Still, this isn’t something you can assume will be better at the next level.
And here are the positives:
There are great flashes. Despite missing the final month of last season he still managed 8.5 TFL’s and five sacks at defensive tackle. His 2019 pass rush win percentage was 16.8%. Only Javon Kinlaw and Jordan Elliott scored higher marks. He also broke up four passes, forced a fumble and added a couple of hurries too.
He’s so quick and when he times his get-off he explodes into the backfield. He’s not just a straight-line runner either. He can shake off blockers and he’s incredibly agile with quick feet for his size.
Wilson isn’t a slouch when it comes to power either. You see evidence of heavy hands and an impressive jolt when he connects. He can create room to work with initial contact and once he separates from a blocker he has the quickness and agility to work into the backfield.
I’ve not seen any problems with his motor which was something I looked for given the way Florida State’s last couple of seasons went. He’s smart enough to jump and tip a pass if his initial rush stalls.
One other thing I noticed from his 2020 tape was how often Miami lined him up at the five technique. He’s down to 311lbs and there’s a relatively decent chance he’s even quicker than he was during SPARQ testing. He does a better than expected job handling those duties and it really shows off his athletic potential.
He moves around the field well and works to try and get into the backfield. He wastes too much time hand-fighting from the interior which is a concern and it might be one of the reasons why FSU moved him to the 5T. Is he simply better attacking gaps from an advantageous starting position? Or can he play stout from the interior, handle two blockers, one-gap and still rip/swim or control?
These are all questions he can help answer at the Senior Bowl.
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Nit picky, but… Pretty sure the Seahawks have four picks. Have seen this on multiple sources (beat writers, Pauline, etc.)
2/4/5/7
They have a second, fourth and fifth. No seventh.
Three picks.
There seems to be confusion over the 7th rd pick that was traded to the Jets in 2019 for Parry Nickerson and whether the conditions were met? So some sites are showing we still have a 7th rd pick…
I just read this:
PICK MAY OR MAY NOT TRANSFER DEPENDING ON UNCONFIRMED CONDITIONS
Traded • Parry Nickerson to Seahawks for • 2021 conditional seventh round pick (?-?) on 2019-08-31
Conditions on pick are unconfirmed.
What about the Carlos Dunlap trade? That was for a seventh.
From: https://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Future/Seahawks.htm
Round 7
Seahawks
Traded • 2020 fifth round pick (#172-Jason Huntley) to Lions for • Quandre Diggs • 2021 seventh round pick (?-?) on 2019-10-22
Jets (conditional)
PICK MAY OR MAY NOT TRANSFER DEPENDING ON UNCONFIRMED CONDITIONS
Traded • Parry Nickerson to Seahawks for • 2021 conditional seventh round pick (?-?) on 2019-08-31
Conditions on pick are unconfirmed.
Bengals
Traded • Carlos Dunlap to Seahawks for • B.J. Finney • 2021 seventh round pick (?-?) on 2020-10-29
Unconfirmed if pick is Lions, Seahawks pick.
Pauline et. al actually have them having their 6th… which I thought they used on Sullivan…
I dunno 🤷♀️
The 6th was traded to get Sullivan
For sure they have their 2nd, 4th, 5th.
They picked up a 7th in the Diggs trade, and traded a seventh to Cincinnati in the Dunlap trade. Those are established.
They also traded a conditional 7th to the Jets for Parry Nickerson and he made the 53. He was released 10 days later for Jamar Taylor.
Did he meet the conditions? Unknown.
However, it’s likely he did. The Seahawks traded their 2020 7th conditionally to NE for Jacob Hollister, then cut him in the final cutdown. They signed him to the PS after that and called him up in Oct. The conditions were satisfied and NE got the pick.
I’m not saying they’re exactly apples to apples, but it’s best to count on not having that 7th. No matter they can just do what they’ve done the last couple years, trade their future 6th for the a current 7th if there’s a guy they think would get away in the UDFA market.
For the last 2 drafts JS has traded the next year’s 6th rd. pick to get back in the 7th and draft a player he wants rather than out-bid another team to get them here as a UDFA. In the 2019 draft, he traded our 2020 6th to get back in the draft and get John Ursua late in the 7th. Earlier this year, he traded our 2021 6th to get a late 7th and draft Stephen Sullivan. Both have barely played since being drafted.
It seems the logical thing to do is to trade down at least slightly with our 5th or 6th in each draft to pick up additional 7s if you always seem to have a player that JS doesn’t want to take a chance on going to UDFA and missing out on. Every year many teams have multiple 7s. Plan ahead so you don’t give up a higher pick the next year by trading down with your last pick and getting a lower 5th or 6th + a couple 7s with one of those teams that have a few. I think the Broncos and several other teams had 3 or more 7s in 2020.
Elijah Molden to the 49ers?
Isn’t that a bit self-loathing on your part?
You seem to like to make ‘worst case’ in your draft projections. Very cruel.
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They have a need and that’s the range I think he deserves.
Nothing to do with worse case.
Rob’s mocks has been always well reasoned generally.
I am pretty sure the best teams draft boards are based on what players will be available at the time of their pick.
Go ahead and call it “worst case” if it helps. Being overly optimistic that teams ahead will not pick best players available or of need is not a good way to approach drafting.
I’d be very happy with Marvin or Ossai at the end of Round 2. I’d probably lean towards Ossai because I just think he offers similar upside while just being a safer prospect in general.
And I see Ossai with the potential to be a nice EDGE player. Maybe an early down SAM then turn into a true pass rusher on 3rd down. I haven’t watched a ton of him, but every time I’ve seen him play – he really jumps off the screen. Looks like a premiere athlete too.
Another linebacker though???
Oh trust me…I’m not dying for a linebacker. Just would like to see more play makers on defense and think Ossai can be a pretty cool hybrid player. My response wasn’t particularly a deep one, lol.
Team building wise you absolutely go with Wilson. I’m just talking strictly prospect preference, personally.
I’m kind of laughing, reading through the responses from various people on these articles.
Everything related to the “fashion coach” is gold. (Last article)
Alan the fashion coach is now a Seahawks legend.
It is all about keeping your fashion game tight. 😛
It’s Aaron, right? But we don’t know the last name.
Alan!
No!!! How could I forget something so vital to the team? I have shamed myself!
https://youtu.be/F0BfcdPKw8E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s9sjPzyQjk
Fantastic!
Rob: Love the Marvin Wilson pick. Just curious. Are there any Left Tackles that you like that might still be on the board at 58 in next years draft?
Too early to say. I need testing numbers.
Do you have anything on Haskell Garrett, DT, Ohio State? Could be a sleeper…
I am going to study him next
I love the draft but it sure does stink knowing we won’t have a 1st round pick again until 2023. That’s a long time!
They can’t sustain Reed playing the amount of snaps he’s playing at DT. Even if they go DT, that guy will only be a rookie – yet he’ll be able to help get Reed’s snap % down next year and may be the guy who replaces Reed in 2022 if he’s not resigned.
Yeah Reeds snap percentage is for sure to high. The pass rush suffeted late in that game when Dunlap was out and just to many snaps for Reed.
North Dakota State? In your opinion would that be a reach for Denver in round 1? Thanks.
Carson Wentz went to North Dakota State.
Not to mention Dallas Goedert went to… South Dakota State.
Pete Carroll told 710 ESPN Seattle that the Seahawks are awaiting MRI results on Carlos Dunlap’s foot, which he hurt Monday night. “He’s got a sore foot,” Carroll said. “We don’t know what it is. It’s something on the bottom of his foot.”
Sounds like the recent TE Greg Olsen injury, reading between the lines.
I wouldn’t say that at all. We’d know if he had a torn plantar fascia. Olsen was laid out on the turf. That’s a serious injury.
This to me sounds like a turf toe type of thing.
No worries. They’ve got Stephen Sullivan. I also heard Jon Ryan played some RB in high school so the transition to DE should be natural if needed.
Actually, they don’t. Sully went on IR last week. I keep waiting to hear about Carlos and his foot and still nothing…
Could Jon Ryan play basketball against Bobby Wagner?
Jon Ryan is a bigtime athlete; I think he was all-conference as a WR or something like that in college.
Ninja Warrior!
Another reason to prioritize edge with our limited picks…
What are you thoughts on Trey Smith (OG, Tennessee). Some mock drafts had him as a first round pick earlier in the year. Guessing his health issue (blood clots) is holding him back?
I think he’s overrated. Lot of recruiting buzz around him back in the day and he has some talent. But he’s never fully put it together. Then there’s the health as you mentioned. Plus he once liked a random reply I sent someone on twitter asking the same question. I gave the same answer. Any time a college player is searching for their name on twitter that troubles me.
I would love Twyman but not sure he would make it that far.
I haven’t been a huge Jamal Adams hater but the price of his trade was way too large. Trading him (hopefully for a first rounder) would be most beneficial to the Seahawks even though it might look embarrassing after trading a haul for him.
Instead of paying him the highest contract for a safety in the NFL, you could invest that money into a defensive lineman such as Von Miller and then you can retain Carlos Dunlap and you have a formidable defensive line. You could invest the rest of that money into a safety like Keanu Neal. Look at this play he made against the Raiders: https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1333950710610792448?s=21
IMO he’s just as much, maybe even more of a tone setter than Jamal Adams. The only issue is his injury history.
If you get a 1st rounder for Jamal Adams, it could allow you to pick a player in the first round that would be an investment for the future; such as an OT, a WR, an EDGE, a slot corner like Elijah Molden, or the unpopular opinion: a running back. Could you imagine Najee Harris with Chris Carson on this team?
Trading him for a 1st round pick shouldn’t be out of the question. Although it might look bad, it could actually be okay because, after all, they will have gotten one full NFL season from a guy like Adams at minimal financial cost in his prime. That’s pretty valuable in and of itself.
Plus, say the Seahawks are picking in the late-20s or hopefully 32… that isn’t a great 1st round pick either. If they could get an 18th-20th overall pick or something (49ers got #14 overall straight up for Buckner), that actually wouldn’t be the worst thing that could happen. And if the Seahawks win the Super Bowl with the help of Adams – it’s a trade we’d all do over again and 10 times on Sunday.
If Adams helps win a Super Bowl – I’ll never complain about it and will never be one of those idiot boxes who say that “Frank Clark helped the Chiefs win a Super Bowl that one time but he only has a couple sacks this year and makes a lot of money.” Unfortunately, you either win a Super Bowl or you don’t. Your season was either a total success or it wasn’t when you have a franchise QB. That’s all.
Totally. If Jamal Adams helps us win the Super Bowl or even helps us make the Super Bowl (for example he has a crazy game in the NFC championship) then I definitely would not complain. Winning the Super Bowl is always going to be the #1 priority. I just wanted to speak out loud what I was thinking because if we did in fact trade Adams, it would create many possibilities for this team.
Good post Bobby. Concur 100%
Isn’t Carlos Dunlap under contract for next year as well?
I would love to trade Jamal. Especially if we win the Super Bowl this year, then recoup some of the draft picks spent on him. Would make that trade feel worth it. But I can’t see him as the focal point of the defense in the long term.
All that being said I don’t think trading him again is in the FO’s plans or is very realistic to start with.
It could be unrealistic to be fair, but they need to find a way to fit him into this defense. He had a great game last night so hopefully it trends upwards
And I suspect you’re right Captain.
Are there any other players that have any early round trade value besides Adams? Russ, DK, and Lockett don’t count.
He seems like the only chip they have available to obtain any draft capital and they have a lot of holes to fill.
It’s amazing the amount of trade value players on the ’13 team had and there’s really nothing that could net this Seahawks team a 1st round pick after Russ, DK, and Adams. I don’t see any other team offering a 1st round pick for any other current Seahawk, whereas in ’13 or ’14 you could have at least gotten a 1st round pick from Russ, Wagner, and 3 guys in that LOB secondary. Maybe Lynch could be added, but they had just traded for him by giving up basically nothing either. Throw in Percy Harvin that they had gotten (though they dumped him for almost nothing the following year).
The core guys this year aren’t valuable like those guys were or are too old to be considered worth a 1st round pick. A guy like Duane Brown is very good, but he’s not going to fetch much in a trade anymore.
Right now, in a re-draft, Damien Lewis probably goes in the 1st round. But given positional value I’m not sure anyone is trading a 1st for a interior olineman, even if he’s the best IOL in the class (Ruiz, Hunt etc).
DT is an interesting position to go with. Still feel like we should target edge first. How about Joe Tryon in the early third after a trade down? He’ll be a good value pick, and he’s from Renton.
Ideal edge physical profile. Not a great run defender but flashed a lot as a pass rusher late in the 2019 season. Going to be forgotten by a lot of teams because he opted it. Seems like the right intersection of value, upside and position of need.
Tryon would be a fantastic value pick, but when he likely tests well in the combine it’ll be interesting to see where he goes.
https://twitter.com/briancainpeak/status/1333750490912448515?s=21
I don’t know whether this was just a brain fart but it really feels like Russ has been playing through a concussion these last few weeks.
Agreed, in general he looked terrible in Philly.
+1
I’m not following. Where’s the brain fart in that clip?
Interesting.
Seattle now has the (tied) for 7th with 31 sacks for the season.
They have a very real shot of getting 40 or more for the season.
They’ve rocked in November when Jamal Adams came back, Dunlap came on board, and Collier started playing like his draft position. Colin Cowherd was saying today or yesterday that the Hawks have 19 sacks in November, the most in the NFL (2nd is Pittsburg at 14).
Will be cautiously optimistic that Taylor’s return at some point in the last 4 games can further boost our pass rush.
Collier has not started playing to his draft position.
The narrative on Collier at the moment is quite something.
He has two sacks in 10 games and is one of the worst graded DE’s in the NFL. They reduced his snaps to just 29 on Monday — which was ten fewer than Rasheem Green and 11 fewer than Benson Mayowa.
So unless your assessment of a first round pick is DE4 in the rotation, he isn’t playing up to his draft position.
Collier was never a first round talent. He is a day 3 rotational DL talent physically, we may as well forget about where he was drafted.
I like how the Hawks are basically using him now and hope they focus on using him as a 3 tech on passing downs where he has shown he can at least have some impact. He is simply not twitchy enough to be an edge rusher in the NFL that is clear now.
Another wasted 1st round pick no matter how they try and spin it.
I had done quite a bit of reading up to that draft. When his name was called I had no idea who he was. I looked him up and he was around 20th or so ranked edge rusher in USA Today’s pre-draft rankings..
Love the mock draft!
Listening to an old Bill Polian interview he says it takes 1 year for a FA to learn his new team’s system & the downside of signing a FA is year 1 is a waste compared to resigning a veteran.
Polian was also adamant that Russ would be nothing more than a career backup and it took him like 5 seasons to admit Russell was actually good. Take what he says with a grain if salt.
On that subject, I will say he did an incredible job building the 90s Bills but I’ve always thought he got way too much credit for Peyton’s Colts teams. Outside of being smart enough to choose him over Leaf I never saw a lot if brilliance on the defensive side.
Dunlap had ig story where he posted a video from recovery with needles and wrote “active recovery”…
Dont think he would do that if he has serious injury.
Dunlap has had acupuncture on his story many times, nothing outside the usual routine, probably a low scale injury
I’ve been searching all over the net looking for an update on his condition. The MRI was yesterday. The fact that no update has been given yet tells me it may not be insignificant. I hope I’m wrong.
Rob if the Hawks extend Dunlap a year or two to reduce his cap hit and Taylor ever returns and plays like an early round pick where do you think the Hawks should focus in the off season.
Personally I would love to see them take a guy like you mocked in Wilson or McNeil at DT at the end of the 2nd round and add one quality free agent DE, ideally a speed rusher.
By adding those two pieces to what the have the DE could be quite solid IMO.
For me the priority should remain the DL. They should set out to create a dominating, fearsome pass rush. At the moment they have one proven edge rusher. That’s it. They need more.
Followed directly by CB imo
Yes. DL.
The DT situation is pretty decent with the starters, but it’s embarrassing in its lack of depth. If anything happened to Ford or Reed, they’d really be screwed. And with Reed playing about 90% of snaps – that’s not sustainable. He’s going to get hurt.
What about Samuel Cosmi?
Personally, I find it hard to think that he’ll be there in the third but that would be a really cool spot to possible draft a Duane Brown successor if the Seahawks trade down (and they probably will trade down).
Not a big fan. Overrated. Developmental type. Needs to get stronger, find a physical edge and work on his technique.
Sure miss him and glad to see he’s still a media icon- like to think that could help a slim HoF chance:
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1333088328586059780?s=21
Legend.
Should be a no-brainer Hall of Famer. Not even a question in my mind. One of the defining characters of the previous decade.
Absolutely 100% Marshawn should be 1st ballot HOF!
Agreed.
As much as I want him in the HoF, I don’t think the case is that easy. His total stats don’t quite measure up to other RB. His playoff stats do though.
If they determine it based on his ‘great stats just not as great as some others’ then the HOF is a joke.
He is one of the defining players of his generation.
He was on their all decade team which is a big factor I understand as well. The game is changing with fewer running backs racking up rushing yards. It can’t be based on that anymore. Had he been given the ball at the goal line, won a SB MVP, then it wouldn’t be a discussion.
Also has arguably the most iconic run in the history of the NFL.
I need that induction speech and for the HoF commish to simply say, “they should have given the ball to Marshawn”
I wish we could move on from that narrative. They needed to throw on that down. It wasn’t a run or pass issue. It was the play they chose. It was a higher risk play, going to a special teamer who ran a few routes.
A bootleg or any play design to target Doug would’ve been totally the right thing to do.
I meant it as a jest, but it will always be a thing because the outcome failed. I wanted him to get the ball because he was unstoppable on the drive.
Yep, don’t throw into the teeth of the D on top of throwing it to a 5th WR.
Marshawn after receiving golds jacket: “I’m just here so I won’t get fined.”
If it plays out as you have it, the Jets get the #1 overall and pick Lawrence . . .what’s Darnold worth on the trade market?
A 2nd rounder still?
3rd or 4th. I can’t see the way he’s played this year translating into a 2nd. Even a low 2nd would be a bit of a steal for the Jets. Yes, Adam Gase has def played a factor in his terrible play, but Darnold has also not looked good generally.
All Darnold has going for him in terms of trade value is his youth, draft pedigree and the possibility of the “Gase effect” being at work.
Yep
Really like Darnold. The kid has a lot of talent. One of the best on the run throwers in recent drafts. Adam Gase and the Jets have had a bad effect on him. He is going to have a resurgence like Tannehill after he left Miami.
He has the physical tools.
Unfortunately at USC he forced so many unavoidable turnovers and that trait has travelled to the NFL. I’m not sure he’ll ever be able to overcome that.
He doesn’t need to be Tannehill. Is it too far fetched to think he could reach JimmyG or Goff level of competency in the right system?
Giants game watch points
The Seahawks face a very similar script as they did Monday vs Philly with this upcoming game against the Giants: they have a considerable talent advantage over the Giants man for man on the roster, and the Giants have been hobbled by injuries. Kyler Fackrell just got added to the IR and Daniel Jones may not play Sunday with a hamstring injury. While the Seahawks should be able to control the game, a blowout win seems unlikely, and this game shouldn’t be taken lightly or marked up as an easy win by any means.
Why? The Giants are on a 3-0 run (granted against poor opponents but they’re winning the games they’re playing), and are playing some clean football: winning the TO battle 8-0 in that stretch, running for 140+ yards as a team each game, and playing solid defense, with 2 of those games conceding 40 yards or less rushing. They’re also in the top 10 for fewest penalties committed. This game won’t be a walk in the park.
Avoid injuries – use your roster depth.
It’s week 13 and the home stretch is in sight. There are 2 big division games to close the season, and the division title and proper seeding will be up for grabs. This is exactly the kind of game the fanbase could wistfully look back on and think “If only Key Player hadn’t gotten hurt in the Giants game, we’d have gotten a better seeding and had a clearer path to a deep playoff run…”
It’s been discussed how doggedly this team pursued roster depth this offseason, frequently at the expense of acquiring higher-end talent. Well, now’s the payoff. Use this depth and rotate guys in and out. Get your younger guys some reps and let the war horses rest up a bit.
* Iupati has been banged up all season – occasionally rotate Haynes in for a series and let him get his legs under him.
* David Moore seems gimpy – let’s see some more of Freddy Swain and bring in Colby Parkinson for some 2 TE sets with Dissly on the field, and keep DJ Reed on returns.
* Jarran Reed has been carrying a heavy snap load this season – let’s portion out some of his snaps to Bullard, Collier and Green.
* Don’t mess around with Carlos Dunlap. If he’s good to play, use him early to get the game in control, then rotate him out on non-pass rush downs. Alton Robinson still isn’t getting enough snaps.
* Find ways to keep getting Ryan Neal and Ugo Amadi some snaps.
* Is this the week we’ve been dreaming of for almost a year? Will there be a Rashaad Penny sighting?
Defense – don’t take this offense for granted.
Yes, Saquon Barkely is out. Daniel Jones has more INTs than TDs and may not play Sunday. Their OL has been a mess. Don’t get complacent, thinking your great sack and rushing defense numbers lately assure you a victory. There’s still a ton of work to be done on coverages, lining up properly and executing. And this Giants offense is improving:
This offense isn’t helpless and just asking to be put out of their misery. They’re well coached and have drastically reduced their mistakes. This isn’t an easy out.
Defense, do what you did vs the Eagles. Stop the run and pressure the QB. Establish some 3 & outs early and let your offense run up the score.
Offense – get your red zone mojo back.
Remember early in the season when the offense was perfect in the red zone? Those days are long gone. The offense sputtered, coughed and wheezed in the RZ against the Eagles, highlighted by some bafflingly strange play calls on 4th down. But this isn’t a one-game problem. It’s developing into a serious concern:
The Giants present a good challenge for the Seahawks offense in this area:
There’s several ways to remedy this:
* develop a communication procedure that doesn’t cause fits and starts.
* Don’t outsmart yourself. Trust your talent to execute obvious but correct play calls.
* You have several playmakers. Let them make plays.
* Chris Carson is back. Use him.
* Don’t forget – TEs are useful in the RZ. Or at other times for that matter.
* Maybe forget the RZ altogether? Take a shot when you’re at the 30 or 35. You’ve got seam routes for your TEs, 2 All Pro level WRs and Carson is a force catching passes out of the backfield.
Special Teams, do your thing.
Jason Myers has been perfect in FG attempts this season. Dickson uncorked a 57 yard bomb last week. The kicking game is sparkling.
I have a gut feeling DJ Reed will give the Hawks a spark in the return game this week. He’s done nothing but earn PC’s raves and trust since he’s started returning punts and kicks. The Giants had a rough ST coverage game last week, allowing a 103 yard kickoff return TD and a couple healthy punt returns. No doubt Joe Judge, being a former ST coach, has his coverage guys running wind sprints in the 30 degree cold all week to get them in line. But there’s a great opportunity to tilt the field and give the offense a helping hand this week.
Good overview Cha,
Our Special teams have been great all year, then we do this on the road on Monday. Why we didn’t kick field goals on those first two drives is beyond me. We have a PERFECT field goal kicker and 6-0 on the road is nothing to sneeze at. Eagles are RUN-BLITZING basically every down, their DBs were holding the shit out of our guys and we aren’t a great grass team.
PC even said those were bad decisions especially from a defensive coach. Muddled, macho old-man thinking.
My hope is that Schotty has this very clever plan involving TEs that he planned so carefully and required extra depth at the position but he only wants to unleash the raging weapon in the playoffs and that’s why they don’t get balls now 🙂
Here is the game plan… run the ball. Giants are down multiple LBs. It really doesn’t need to be cute or have them do anything they don’t normally do. Save the good plays for when they really need them later this season.
Giants have got a good run defense though.
Not as smart in pass coverage and weak at cornerback.
I’m 95% sure Jones is out this game. His quad injury was more serious than initially thought.
An Alan is up to the deep ball challenge friend. He will pitch a fashion shut out.
Jamal Alan
IMO think DB is our biggest need in the draft. The way Molden has been playing he definitely will be long gone by the time the Hawks pick. But I love they way Tyson Campbell has been playing this year. Killed it vs Mississippi State and S Carolina the past two weeks. He has great size, speed, and change of direction. Prototypical Hawk CB.
I want to see him be more physical. Gives up too many easy catches.
I’d be happy with any kind of upside potential in the draft at the CB, OT, DT, DE positions.
You seen Alijah Vera-Tucker from USC yet Rob?
I still think Browning & Owusu-Koramoah are the best LBs in this draft. Not saying Parsons isn’t a 1st rounder or isn’t worth it, he clearly is.
I get the thought process & absolutely agree. In regards to Wilson though, something is off there. Has he quit on his team? Loved him last year.
Maybe. I’m not 100% sold on Wilson to Seattle. There are some snaps where you go ‘WTF’ with his lack of effort. Seems like a bit of a strange cat but then people rave about his leadership.
I haven’t studied Alijah Vera-Tucker.
Agreed. Can’t quite put my finger on what the difference is between this year and last.
Would Seattle touch Ole Miss EDGE Sam Williams? BAMF, long, power, explosion, still a little raw, ran a 4.5 this off-season, good size.
Well, the charges were dropped. Although I’m sure teams will still do their own investigating.
Hope it’s not the way they investigated Percy Harvin:)
That’s true. Might be a guy that has some 1st round qualities but could be had later on due to the off-field stuff.
https://youtu.be/JwaQgJlDXB8
Starting to get turned around on Darrell Taylor. Anyone who likes Sam Cooke can’t be all that bad
Any update on Dunlap?
Lynch won’t make the HoF on the first ballot, but within 10 years of eligibility he will make it.
They have piled too many other truly outstanding players up in the way to make it 1st ballot.
I encourage anyone who hasn’t been to go to Canton Ohio. I went the year that Walter Jones got inducted. Absolutely fabulous experience.
Marshawn, if he isn’t first ballot, should be in within three years. Otherwise the thing is a sham.
100%
I think he gets in year 2 or 3. Had he been less stand offish with the media I’d guess he’d be first ballot. He will get in though.
Been to the HOF. Spent a day there while on a cross country and back motorcycle trip. Fantastic experience and like you, I highly recommend it.
Wednesday Press Conference with PC
PC has some hideous looking cause shoes he’s going to wear
[jen] Injury updates Dunlap and Carson? “Carson sore coming out of the game, anxious to see how he feels this week. Didn’t have a lot of carries this week. Should be fine for the ball game. Dunlap sore foot, something going on, nothing serious, see how the week goes, hopeful he can play.”
[maz veda] Comment on your charity work? “Woke up at USC, so much happening in LA.”
[maz] Giants committed to run game? “tough, committed FB team. ST, defense, the way they play up front, fits with the running game. Brings it all together. Made a commitment to being physical and tough. Counting on that.”
[joe fann] Taylor/Penny update? “End of week on Taylor. Penny real close to doing some stuff. Excited to see next couple days or Monday. Taylor had a setback wanted to clear the air on where he is with the docs. Final assurance he’s doing the right thing. Let you know when we know.”
[matt] Comforting to have Myers kicking FGs? “Incredible year, rock solid. Incredible athlete for position. Great worker. Mindset fitted to position. Count on him to come through and he did.”
[corbin] 4-3 D, more bear fronts, Adams, Norton flexible? “Astute observation. We have adapted to personnel. Enough background over the years we can do it. Kenny demonstrating use of our talent. Jamal part of it, Jordyn Brooks fits too. Dunlap at 9T puts him exactly where he needs to be to most effective. Wanted to work with Bruce but lost him and took a couple steps back. D really moving now, excited.”
[neko] D last couple games turning corner? “You guys wouldn’t have thought it possible to be a top 10 rushing group. Top 10 in sacks, turned that thing around in a hurry. Definitely feel momentum of shift happening. Had to be patient, now is the time to see improvement. Guys determined to make that turn in a real positive way. Play like we’ve been playing we’ve got a chance. Work real hard to get that done.”
[neko] Engram? “Fast TE, YAC, fantastic talent. Causes problems. Play TEs like that, we have a great matchup in Jamal. Matchup for anybody. Doesn’t mean it’ll be easy. Feel like we match up well.”
[john boyle] Like the shoes and causes? “yes”
[john] ST as a whole? “As consistent as we’ve been. Kicking phenomenal. Only 4 Touchbacks for Dickson. Love coverage groups, making plays week in and out. Championship part of club. O & D need to match consistency.”
[brady] Quarantining a QB, happened with Broncos? Emergency QB? “Danny Etling 3rd QB. Conversation for a long time. Stepped forward taking care of Danny, apart from other QBs. Fantastic job, trust he can go to all meetings virtually. Keep him available.”
[brady] Emergency QB? “Couple guys. Be surprised. Jacob Hollister, DJ have QB background and some surprises too.”
[Jackie] Challenges prepare for 2 QBs Jones/McCoy? “Media asks that a lot. Rarely 2 QBs drastically different. Offenses can only do what they do. New Orleans same thing. Colt not tall, but same guy in system. Expect same, be ready to adapt. Don’t prepare or practice differently. If it was Peyton Manning and Steve Young, somebody drastically different, we do different.”
[Jackie] NYG Defense? “Really solid, physical up front. Blake Martinez terrific leader. 100 tackles, big solid up front too. See why they’re winning. Running FB, tough D, great ST.”
[tim] NFCE reminds of NFCW in 2010 – comments about losing record winning divisions? “Disparaging remarks, I thought hilarious at the time. Gotta win your own division. Funny same convo coming up now. Have a champion in the division and they’re gonna play at home. Not mean team wont’ be effective in post season.”
[Curtis crab] Tre Flowers and CB group as a whole? “Tre doing well, way more consistent than earlier this season. Confidence in a good place. Hamstring bothering him, see how he looks today.”
[art thiel] Outfit to go with shoes? “regular coaching duds.”
[art] Adams skillset, trickiest aspect of getting him integrated? “Nothing he hasn’t been receptive too, excited about. World class relationship from moment we started talking about it. So ready. Where he is now, in a great place. All in. No hitches to it, we’re asking him to do quite a few things that allow him to express his ability. Lots of stuff. Pressure, zone, man to man, running game, all a role in our scheme. I’ve been around lots of talented safeties. Big, small, hammers, quickness and speed. Jamal can do it all. Speed and agility. Instincts allow him to show how tough he is. He’s right a lot. Some guys make that mentality will make errors, because they walk the line.”
[bob] Offensive balance measure? “Old number Lombardi had, number combined completed passes and total rushing attempts, 50 or more, win the game. Look at the stats and see how accurate, at least 80% win connection. Almost always wins for you. More definitive than you thought you’d get.”
[bob] Dunbar? “One more week before can come back. Way things going he has a chance.”
[Gregg] Wagner play on Goddard 40 yards downfield? Underrated coverage? “Marvelous athlete. Coordination, timing, feel. Has all that. HOFer. Exactly what you’d hope if you wrote up definition of position.”
[greeg] See that at Utah St? “Saw all that, great speed, very fluid as an athlete. Surpassed our expectations. Based on character, got act together.”
[Michael shawn dugar] Tell the truth Monday, Turnover Thursday where name/structure? “I made it up. Philosophical approach to emphasis. Tools to show what’s important to us.”
Give Dunlap a couple weeks off if need be. He’s too important now to miss during crunch time. If they can’t beat the Jets without him in two weeks – then something is terribly wrong.
Awesome. Was looking forward to this. TY
“Taylor had a setback” translates to “he DEFINITELY ain’t playing this season”.
Pete’s typical injury positivity on Dunlap means he’ll miss a couple games but be back for Rams.
I have this sinking feeling Taylor may never play a game in the NFL.
Wouldn’t surprise any of us I’d guess.
Malik McDowell 2.0?
Such a shame for the player.
thanks for going the extra mile, cha… very much appreciated!
Some very clumsy questions today. Don’t think some of the reporters but any thought into what they’re going to ask, or how they are going to word the question. The one on Myers was a classic example. Why not just ask for a thought on Jason Myers, without any reference to previous missed efforts by other kickers?
Also too many shoes questions.
“Is Bobby Wagner underrated in coverage?” is good because I suffer from Groundhog Day style amnesia. Doesn’t matter that it was asked Monday already. I forget, and that is vital information I didn’t know. I need to hear it again and again and again like we’ve just now uncovered some underappreciated aspect of a great player.
Who is this Bobby Wagner?
Presumably a young upstart talent. Rookie?
I hope they keep asking about how good he is so we can get a real grasp for this new guy on the team.
I’m surprised no one has asked about Poona Ford. He’s been playing well recently. In the backfield noticeably more often.
Time to make some smores with the coaching staff….. more marshmallow questions. ~ Press
Crap, I’m on mobile and messed up the green quote. Y’all get the idea…
I can’t believe they allowed this game to be played despite more positives for both teams yesterday.
THE ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR WINS!
Maybe a little biased as I was up by 14 in fantasy and facing Pittsburgh D in a must win game.
Not looking good then for you, sorry
I was just thinking about how capitalism can kill you. The search for money – often related to exploiting people or resources.
Tre Flowers been pretty good this year
Are you watching a Tre Flowers in an alternate universe?
Maybe it was my imagination,. but when the game started (last week) the CBs were playing pretty tight to the line and playing more hands on….. but midway through the 2nd quarter, they started playing off coverage and started to get eaten up in the passing game???
Tre made some good plays in the running game, but man he got toasted a few times in the passing game. He, at least, made them make some perfect throws / contested receptions….. so he was in on more plays than not…..
I noticed that too about playing closer to the line of scrimmage and pressing his man more than he normally does but he backed off and was worried about being beaten deep again. That seems to be his problem…doesn’t trust his game to keep tight. Hope I’m wrong but Tre has had a tough year this year.
I thought it was a “coaching” decision…. since both CBs backed off at the same time. I don’t think confidence was the issue…. it was defensive call selection / coaching
You could very well be right about that, Charlie. We give sooo much cushion to WRs that it drives me mad and we continually get beaten. I don’t remember ever seeing Sherm give that much cushion though. He was always up on the LOS and pressing his man from the start.
I was also wondering why they are bailing so much instead of jamming, especially Tre who is big and long. Even moreso on 3rd and short when we’re sending a blitz…
He was better in the last couple of games in coverage but let’s not go overboard. He has not had a good year overall.
Would be nice to see continued improvement going forward. That wasn’t going to happen when the DL was struggling, but then playing better gives everyone a chance to improve.
I’ll have a bit of what you’re smoking
[brady] Quarantining a QB, happened with Broncos? Emergency QB? “Danny Etling 3rd QB. Conversation for a long time. Stepped forward taking care of Danny, apart from other QBs. Fantastic job, trust he can go to all meetings virtually. Keep him available.”
I thought this was a good question. I didn’t know they had a protocol in place incase the rest of the QB room got wiped out.
Another little tidbit, PC sorta kinda alluded to they didn’t have this in place and adjusted as they saw what was happening. Didn’t really say if it was 2 days ago because of the Denver mess but I get the impression it hasn’t been that way all season.
Bet you’re right on that, Cha. Let’s hope nothing happens to Dickson or Myers while we’re thinking about it.
I still was shook when they said the Seahawks are the only team to not have a single “in-season” COVID-19 player…… that is really remarkable. They are doing something right. Big props to them as an organization.
No Jinx
Steelers LB Bud Dupree (ACL) likely done for season
YIKES
So much for the free agent payday he was looking for.
He was a force on the Steelers defense…. huge loss