Updated two-round NFL mock draft: 12th December

December 12th, 2020 | Written by Rob Staton

Haskell Garrett is a highly talented defensive tackle with major pro-potential

Before getting into this latest mock draft, stop what you’re doing and read this article by John Morgan. It is superb.

First round

#1 New York Jets — Trevor Lawrence (QB, Clemson)
#2 Jacksonville — Justin Fields (QB, Ohio State)
#3 Cincinnati — Penei Sewell (T, Oregon)
#4 Dallas — Shaun Wade (CB, Ohio State)
#5 LA Chargers — Ja’Marr Chase (WR, LSU)
#6 Philadelphia — Micah Parsons (LB, Penn State)
#7 Carolina — Zach Wilson (QB, BYU)
#8 Atlanta — Patrick Surtain II (CB, Alabama)
#9 Miami (v/HOU) — Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah (LB, Notre Dame)
#10 Denver — Trey Lance (QB, North Dakota State)
#11 Washington — Kyle Pitts (TE, Florida)
#12 Detroit — DeVonta Smith (WR, Alabama)
#13 Chicago — Rondale Moore (WR, Purdue)
#14 San Francisco — Dayo Odeyingbo (DE, Vanderbilt)
#15 New England — Davis Mills (QB, Stanford)
#16 Arizona — Wyatt Davis (G, Ohio State)
#17 Baltimore — Gregory Rousseau (DE, Miami)
#18 Las Vegas — Patrick Jones (DE, Pittsburgh)
#19 Minnesota — Walker Little (T, Stanford)
#20 Tampa Bay — Kwity Paye (DE, Michigan)
#21 New York Giants — Jaycee Horn (CB, South Carolina)
#22 Miami — Travis Etienne (RB, Clemson)
#23 Indianapolis — Alex Leatherwood (T, Alabama)
#24 Tennessee — Caleb Farley (CB, Virginia Tech)
#25 New York Jets (v/SEA) — Jaylen Waddle (WR, Alabama)
#26 Jacksonville (v/LAR) — Pat Freiermuth (TE, Penn State)
#27 Cleveland — Azeez Ojulari (DE, Georgia)
#28 Buffalo — Josh Myers (C, Ohio State)
#29 Green Bay — Baron Browning (LB, Ohio State)
#30 Kansas City — Ronnie Perkins (DE, Oklahoma)
#31 New Orleans — Dylan Moses (LB, Alabama)
#32 Pittsburgh — Rasheed Walker (T, Penn State)

Second round

#33 New York Jets — Najee Harris (RB, Alabama)
#34 Jacksonville — Christian Darrisaw (T, Virginia Tech)
#35 Cincinnati — Rashawn Slater (G, Northwestern)
#36 LA Chargers — Elijah Molden (CB, Washington)
#37 Dallas — Andre Cisco (S, Syracuse)
#38 Philadelphia — Carlos Basham (DE, Wake Forest)
#39 Atlanta — Jevon Holland (S, Oregon)
#40 Miami — Rashod Bateman (WR, Minnesota)
#41 Denver — Zaven Collins (LB, Tulsa)
#42 Carolina — Obinna Eze (T, Memphis)
#43 Detroit — Alim McNeill (DT, NC State)
#44 Chicago — Mac Jones (QB, Alabama)
#45 San Francisco — Aaron Banks (G, Notre Dame)
#46 Washington — Ambry Thomas (CB, Michigan)
#47 New England — Monty Rice (LB, Georgia)
#48 Arizona — Jaelen Phillips (DE, Miami)
#49 Las Vegas — Jaylen Twyman (DT, Pittsburgh)
#50 Baltimore — Tylan Wallace (WR, Oklahoma State)
#51 Jacksonville (v/MIN) — Jordan Davis (DT, Georgia)
#52 Tampa Bay — Paris Ford (S, Pittsburgh)
#53 New York Giants — Amon-Ra St. Brown (WR, USC)
#54 Indianapolis — Jake Ferguson (TE, Wisconsin)
#55 Tennessee — Chris Olave (WR, Ohio State)
#56 Miami — Tutu Atwell (WR, Louisville)
#57 Seattle — Haskell Garrett (DT, Ohio State)
#58 LA Rams — Nick Bolton (LB, Missouri)
#59 Buffalo — Jalen Mayfield (T, Michigan)
#60 Cleveland — Jay Tufele (DT, USC)
#61 Green Bay — Terrace Marshall Jr (WR, LSU)
#62 Kansas City — Javian Hawkins (RB, Louisville)
#63 New Orleans — Nico Collins (WR, Michigan)
#64 Pittsburgh — Kellen Mond (QB, Texas A&M)

Notes

— Stanford quarterback Davis Mills is simply terrific. I wouldn’t take any mock draft seriously right now that didn’t include him in the first round conversation. He has a fantastic skill set that will appeal to teams, he’s accurate and a natural passer.

— I spent some time watching Wyatt Davis this week and he is legit. I’ve moved him up considerably and he has a chance to be an interior offensive lineman who goes very early in the draft.

— One other thing I did this week was go back and watch a whole host of footage from the SPARQ and recruiting events from a few years ago. You learn a lot about players watching them in this environment — how they handle 1v1’s, their personalities, how other players respond to them. Here’s what I learnt this week. Alex Leatherwood is a bad dude with an incredible nasty edge. Walker Little is naturally gifted, athletic and talented. He will go earlier than people think. Marvin Wilson (not included in this mock) just had so many incredible reps on the D-line and his athletic qualities for his size are rare. Micah Parsons played linebacker at Penn State but he could play anywhere. Defensive end, running back, receiver. He is one of the most gifted players to come along in a long time.

Thoughts on the Seahawks pick

I noted recently that with such limited draft stock in 2021, the Seahawks are probably going to have to make a big-upside pick in round two. They need to try and find a hidden gem in the range where they’ve previously selected Frank Clark and D.K. Metcalf.

As with Clark and Metcalf though, there also needs to be a reason for that player to last.

Haskell Garrett was shot in the face a few weeks ago. Somehow, he not only survived but made a miraculous return to the football field where he’s played lights out in Ohio State’s limited season. In their last game against Michigan State, he tipped a pass at the LOS and caught the rebound for a pick-six:

Garrett ran a 4.41 short shuttle at SPARQ at 298lbs which is an outstanding time and he added a 5.13 forty.

He has ideal size (6-2, 300lbs) for leverage and he can control blocks at the POA, disengage and explode into the backfield. He plays with reasonable gap discipline and is rarely moved in the running game. He has the quickness and agility you need to see from interior linemen to factor as a pass rusher at the next level.

In all honesty there’s a reasonable chance he will move up boards during the pre-draft process and out of range for Seattle. If he attends the Senior Bowl, he could be one of the stars in Mobile. However, if he’s available in the late second he offers a chance to add talent and upside to the D-line.

It’s also worth noting that Jarran Reed is due $13.5m next year. Reed is a perfectly decent starting defensive tackle but nobody can argue he’s worth $13.5m. Either the Seahawks need to extend his deal to lower the cap hit or they should consider moving on.

Money is going to be tight. You have to make sure you’re investing in the right people.

He could also be a trade candidate. You won’t get much in the deal but it could, at least, enable the Seahawks to add to the three or four picks they are scheduled to have.

Even if they retain Reed, he’ll be a free agent in 2022 and so will Poona Ford. Planning ahead at the position would be wise, especially if they can acquire a player as talented as Garrett.

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341 Responses to “Updated two-round NFL mock draft: 12th December”

  1. cha says:

    Spotrac and OTC both show a $5m dead cap for Reed in 2021.

  2. Chris Wood says:

    I know when Mone was playing he was getting a lot of praise from Carroll and if I recall PFF seemed to favor his play too. I can see the FO looking at Reed to be trade/cut potential after this year like you suggested Rob. I’m definitely on the side of bringing in younger talent on that line, something needs to get added.

    Rob, quick question for our defensive line. Do you think the Seahawks view drafting a 3T or 5T as more of a priority? Either are far from being great, I just feel our 3T’s are far better than our 5T’s. Green and Collier are definitely not the answer.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I’d also like to see older, grizzled veterans too. I think they miss the old Tony McDaniel, Red Bryant types.

      They don’t have a proper interior rusher, so three technique.

      • dj 1/2 way says:

        Agree on 3T….seems like pressure from inside is more reliable with the shorter distance and quick passes.

  3. TomLPDX says:

    #64 Pittsburgh — Kellen Mond

    Having watched him for a long time I can’t see him leading the Steelers.

  4. clbradley17 says:

    Great pick for the Seahawks and fantastic article Rob. Another Big Ten DT that might last to our pick in rd. 2 if he declares is 6’3″ 305 lb. junior Daviyon Nixon of Iowa. 41 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, leads the big ten in TFLs & sacks. He also had a 71 yard pick six against Penn St. 3 weeks ago where he split between the QB and an OL, sprinted for the TD and wasn’t even winded. https://twitter.com/BigTenNetwork/status/1330298980186673153

    “Nixon went from getting snaps here and there last season to a bona fide All-America candidate, a guy who leads the Big Ten Conference in tackles for loss and sacks. He’s one of six finalists for the Bronko Nagurski Trophy for national defensive player of the year in college football according to the Football Writers Association of America. He’s a semifinalist for the Bednarik Award (defensive player of the year according to the Maxwell Club) and Outland Trophy (best lineman in college football).” https://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/hawkeyes/iowa-football/iowa-daviyon-nixon-nfl-draft-prospect-overcomes-learning-disability-20201211

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FUUJJ4mNDo&ab_channel=BigTenNetwork
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGmciQEVQmA&ab_channel=RobDonaldson
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUJHYUm2si4&ab_channel=Local4NewsWHBF

  5. Spectator says:

    Hi, Rob. What do you think about Garrett’s teammate, tommy togiai? High recruit from Idaho. Seems to be having a good year.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Not had an opportunity to fully focus on him yet.

    • Scot04 says:

      Not Rob,
      But Togiai is just a crazy strong, powerful DT. Quick for his size and wins 1v1. They use him at NT though so doesn’t get very many of those. Usually doubled, if not he’ll get into the back field in a hurry. Unsure of his arm length, but I like him.

  6. Hoggs41 says:

    Ive thought for years our OLine play hasnt been that bad. When you have a QB that holds on to it forever your going to have sacks and big plays. Its just something your going to have to deal with. You could have 5 pro bowlers blockijg for him and he would still get sacked.

    I keep waiting for Twyman to drop about 5-6 picks so we can get him in your mocks.

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      If they had 5 pro bowlers they would have a more consistent running game, and then Russ wouldn’t have to hold onto the ball forever. This line is average without injuries, and bad if either tackle goes down. But this year there are two new guys next year there will be two new guys, and the year after there will be two new guys, and the year after….
      There is no consistency in personnel, and no consistency in blocking.

  7. BruceN says:

    John Morgan has another article that’s a good read.

    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2020/12/12/22164971/russell-wilsons-two-turnovers-are-easy-to-explain-nfl-film-review-seattle-seahawks

    And do you think Otton will stay for his Sr. year? And if he declares at what round could he go? I like the idea of Garrett but do you think Twyman might be there for the Hawks? How do you compare the two? Doesn’t have much of a career in college after opting out but an interesting, high potential prospect.

    • Bmseattle says:

      They are both excellent articles, and fairly troubling/concerning.

      Russ has done an wonderful job overcoming his weaknesses during his career, and making his strengths work for him.

      It’s somewhat taboo to emphasize his lack of height, but it clearly limits him at times.
      His lack of awareness (see an open Hyde in the flat in the first video), and his lack of trust in throwing over the middle of the field (as shown in the second article), can both be direct results of Russ simply not being able to see.

      I also think that Russ’s incredible accuracy has been somewhat overblown.

      Yes, he throws a beautiful deep ball.
      The way he lofts it up and gives his receiver a chance to adjust is almost unmatched.
      That requires a certain synergy with the receiver, however, and I wouldn’t exactly call it “accuracy”.

      A player like Lockett is superb at slowing down/speeding up, and adjusting his body so that the ball arrives “perfectly” placed.
      It takes a receiver who can locate the ball in the air and “get to the spot” to help make Russ so “accurate” on the deep pass.

      As far as his accuracy on shorter to intermediate passes… personally, I don’t see Russ as being consistently accurate.
      As the 1st article mentions, Russ needs a lot of space to feel confident in making throws. If a receiver isn’t wide open, he rarely pulls the trigger.
      We also see (especially lately) a lot of high and/or low throws.

      Some of this is atributed to the pass rush, and Russ’s nerves, most likely.
      When he is feeling confident and clean in the pocket, his accuracy goes up, for obvious reasons.
      And he does make *some* beautiful shorter throws.
      His slant pass accuracy has developed beautifully this year, in particular.

      The troubling part of the 2nd article is that it seems like defenses have figured out where Russ *is* comfortable throwing, and where he *isn’t*, and are playing him accordingly.
      It remains to be seen if Russ will… and can, adjust.
      And if he’ll be as amazing of a player when he does.

      • BruceN says:

        Good articles that highlight Russell’s inability to take advantage of what defense is giving him. He’s not going thru his progression and he’s missing open receivers. Mostly trying to go for big plays. You could be right about his lack of accuracy in shorter throws. I’m far from a QB whisperer but I suspect his confidence is not 100%, regardless of what he says. At times he gets antsy and leaves a good pocket to step into the rush. After he started the season sizzling hot the opposing defenses are going after him and are beating him up. He needs to take a page from TB and burn them by quick, short slants and dump offs to RBs. Like you said, he needs to adjust. Or they will keep coming after him.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think the word on the street was, unless I’m mistaken, that he will turn pro. But I think a lot of players will do that given covid uncertainty.

      I don’t think Twyman will last that far.

    • Big Mike says:

      I swear I saw something earlier in the season that he was throwing into the smallest windows/WR separation in the NFL. Maybe the protection was better for longer back then. Regardless, he’s not seeing things well right now at all, that’s for sure.

      • BruceN says:

        I agree Big Mike. He’s not seeing open receivers now. I don’t think it is the protection. Per Next Gen Stat he took an average of 3.38 s per pass attempt against the Giants. That’s decent amount of time to throw.

    • Big Mike says:

      A creative OC would find ways to help RW see the middle of the field better. I know half rolls cut off part of the field but they also open up vision lanes.
      Also a question: why does Brees, who is a mere one inch taller, not have the same issues? I’ll assume the o-line in NO blocks for gaps up the middle and if not, what does Payton do so much better than Schotty that allows Brees to complete at a % beyond any other QB to ever play?

      • Bmseattle says:

        Interesting question, regarding Brees vs Russ.
        Two things come to mind… Brees has never had the mobility/escapability that Russ had, or the arm strength.

        Since Brees has always been limited, physically, he has always had to get rid of the ball quickly, and know where his outlets are, and he has never had the temptation to extend plays with his legs, looking for the long pass play.
        Basically, he was forced to learn from the beginning how to best utilize his strengths, which are incredible accuracy, and reading defenses.

        It would be interesting to see a similar chart as to the one in the article above, showing how frequently Brees throws into the middle of the field.
        I remember reading a quote from Brees once, saying that he tells his receivers that there will be times he just can’t see them… it’s just going to happen.

      • BruceN says:

        After watching what McVay did on Thursday night to protect Goff I am even more convinced the scheme is not protecting Russell. Every single of Goff’s first 10 passes were easy ones. Simple throws to get him in a rhythm and build up his confidence. If Russell is the one always looking for the long bombs, the OC should rein him in and keep calling easier, quicker and shorter passes. Both Lockett and DK can kill defenses on quick slants. And bust a few for bigger gains. I think his issue is confidence related after getting pummeled repeatedly. He’s more jittery and doesn’t move as well as he used to in the pocket to create open lane for himself. Shorter QBs have to move around to find the open lanes.

  8. icb12 says:

    Damn.
    I feel for Nate Landman. That sucks.

  9. Dave Bara says:

    Rob what do you think the odds are that if the Seahawks fail to advance in the playoffs again, Russell Wilson asks for a trade? NYJ or JAX might have the trade capital and cap room to do it.

    Dave B.

    • Matt says:

      I can see RW maybe forcing a trade in 2022 if everything goes down the same path it has, this coming season. Can’t say I would blame him.

      I’ve just lost all faith in this organization. It seems the rebuttal is “yea, but look what they did in the 2012 draft!”

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think it’s unlikely this off-season. I don’t think it’s a total non-starter in the future though.

  10. Volume12 says:

    Still early, but I personally don’t see Surtain or Wade as a top 10 pick. And I like both quite a bit. More than a bit actually.

    Wade struggles somewhat in man situations. Excellent Cover 3/underneath zone defender. Has great eyes & a rare ability to make plays late on the ball. He’s ‘Seahawk-y’ as hell for me. Scheme dependent.

    Surtain has good ball skills, great length, high football IQ. His high cut physique leads to him being clunky when transitioning in & out of his breaks, a little too complacent, and struggles w/ inside routes. Wanna see combine that drip & size (doesn’t use it enough) he has.

    IMO Tyson Campbell has the most tantalizing combo of size, traits, and athleticism. Not saying he’s top 10ish, think he’s gonna be a big riser here soon if he ends up putting all those things together.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Tyson Campbell doesn’t play tough though, he gives up way too many easy completions and his forty is a question mark.

      • Volume12 says:

        He needs to be more physical, absolutely. Has the most upside though IMO. Thought he played well against Jaylen Waddle & looks like he can move to me.

  11. Volume12 says:

    Seattle needs someone to threaten the MOF on the offensive side of things.

    If he comes out, keep an eye on TCU TE Pro Wells. Size, raw athleticism, former Bball player, backstory.

    https://youtu.be/Zzd4y-Tw7Gs

  12. BoiseSeahawk says:

    How much an effect would you say the economy may have on the salary cap in 2021?
    Could it benefit us to see player salaries corrected at all?

    • cha says:

      It’s currently projecting about $175m for 2021 with the reduction being mostly for loss of 2020 ticket sales and other gameday revenue. Mike Florio dropped a little blurb from a source that when they officially set the number they could decide to add $20m or so to that number, basically “borrowing” from a nice rebound on revenue.

      Teams still spent like crazy this summer & fall to lock up top talent, so it’s very unlikely the top free agents next spring will be in any way inclined to accept lesser deals.

      That said, second tier guys and players under contract who are cut will likely have to accept more modest deals.

      It will come down to a mix of having salary cap and being smart with the way you structure contracts.

  13. SeattleLifer says:

    What? No hybrid strong safeties listed in the first round? I thought since they trade for two 1st rounders a 3rd and a player that we’d see those franchise types of safeties high in the 1st round every year…. 😅

    • Rob Staton says:

      LOL

      Well, according to the morning show on 710 ESPN, the Seahawks have set a new trend for the NFL. Everyone’s going to be looking for their Jamal Adams. I should re-write the mock…

      • cha says:

        See I can get behind this logic. Pay a price never before seen for a strong safety, spend all year talking up how amazing he is, and plant a couple media threads about how you’re this paradigm-shifting organization who’s gotten ahead of a huge market inflation for strong safeties.

        Then trade him this offseason for THREE first round picks! Why have a “Jamal Adams type” when you can get the original article!

        Sold.

  14. Mike says:

    I love reading these and it hurts to be reminded that the Hawks don’t pick until Round 2. I’ve seen a lot of Davis Mills and I know I don’t have a scout’s eye, but he appears to be a game manager rather than a killer to me. That said, you’ve pegged him to NE for two straight mocks, so maybe you see him as a good fit for Belichick.

  15. SeattleLifer says:

    Oh yeah the ‘forgotten’ bad deal of the off-season : Jarran Reed. I knew as soon as he was spouting off about how 10 million or below was disrespectful to him that Schneider was going to get fleeced. Paying (at least) double what a guy should have been looking at in free agency should bring another real layer of criticism upon Schneider and co. Another 5-6 million we should have had to work with in free agency(plus a good 7 million next year).

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      I’m more upset by the Olsen, Finney, Hollister, Hunt spending. At least Reed is contributing

      • SeattleLifer says:

        Money is still money though and if we had 5-6 million extra this past off-season maybe we would have went ahead and grabbed one of the decent DE’s earlier in free agency. And even if we somehow lost out on Reed for doing so I believe we could have found a pretty comparable player to pick up for around 6 million.

      • 12th chuck says:

        for me it was olsen and paying so much for irvin

    • BobbyK says:

      I actually hope they keep Reed. I think he’s a prime candidate to have a good 2021 and that’s because he’ll be in a contract year. I certainly wouldn’t want to be the team who signs him for ’22 and beyond though!

      But they do need to draft a DT because the depth after Reed/Ford is terrible. Getting an R2 DT means they can have quality depth and a built in replacement for Reed when he leaves in FA. Ford and Reed won’t have to play 90% snaps anymore. That’s just ridiculous.

    • cha says:

      I’ll admit I wasn’t crazy about the terms of Reed’s deal either, but come on. There’s plenty of other deals to point out as folly.

      Reed has never been a ‘build your defense around him’ guy. He does well when he has partners in crime drawing attention and giving him some space to work in. And the contract reflects that – he’s the 18th highest paid interior DL, not the top 5 or 10.

      And did the Seahawks support him with talent to enhance his abilities and let him maintain his level of play? Benson Mayowa. Bryan Mone. LJ Collier. Poona Ford. Rasheem Green. Alton Robinson.

      That’s not support. In fact I’d say if you wanted to intentionally plan for Reed to fail, that’s the cast you surround him with.

      They were so thin and weak, early this season Reed was playing an insane number of snaps. Again, not a catalyst for success.

      Look at his counting stats since the Seahawks traded for Dunlap and brought Snacks in. Dramatic improvement. Huge.

      • SeattleLifer says:

        But what if instead of Reed you pick up another guy for half his price and use the 6 million or so extra to get a better DE. Add that money to Irvin’s salary (taking Irvin out of the picture then) and who could we have gotten? Maybe scrape a few more million up and you’re looking at one of the premiere DE’s in free agency and then you take the other half of the Reed money and get a solid interior vet who could benefit from the great DE you picked up – just another angle to look at. But overall I just see the better run teams in the league running a tighter ship with contracts as big as Reed’s. If a guy isn’t going to be very successful without a bunch of good supporting cast around him then you don’t give him a contract averaging $12.5 million a year imo.

        • cha says:

          It’s pretty challenging to think you can get a Reed replacement for $5 or 6m.

          Paying Reed as much as they did was not the lynchpin of the great defense disaster of 2020.

          • SeattleLifer says:

            I feel confident in saying you could find a player that’s a solid 90% the player Reed is for 5 million. That’s 6.5 million this year and 8.5 million next year you could spend elsewhere. And if you took the extra money and picked up an actual good DE then the player who was 90% of Reed to start with could very well be elevated to better than Reed, so a double win of real pass rush and elevated play for your whole line (not just Reed fill-in) all for being wiser with your available cap space to start with.

          • SeattleLifer says:

            Another scenario : we could have told Reed we did’nt see his value that high and let him test free agency and there’s a fair chance we could have gotten him for cheaper just by being prudent. Maybe not 5-6 million but what if we could have gotten him for 7-8 million year one and 9-10 million year two? Maybe he gets comparable offers in free agency but decides he likes our player friendly culture and comfort of knowing coaches and team mates.

            The sad fact is this was definite overpay again wrought out of desperation by Pete and John. They knew how thin they were going to be on the d-line so they made him a must get priority before letting him sniff free agency – but in doing so they gave massive leverage to his agent who used it to fleece them accordingly.

            If we are going to complain about multi million dollar contracts for Hunts, Hollisters, Obeguies, Finneys, Olsen’s etc etc then we need to call out overpaying the likes of Reed by 4 – 6 million.

            • cha says:

              what if we could have gotten him for 7-8 million year one and 9-10 million year two?i>

              There’s $14m guaranteed on Reeds contract. The rest is incentives which benefit the Seahawks too if he reaches them. They can walk away with less than what you propose as a discounted rate if they don’t like what they get from him.

              You’re quibbling over a few dollars and comparing Reed to guys who have been criminally underused for the salary paid to them.

              • SeattleLifer says:

                If you take the lower end of what I proposed(which is the highest I would have been comfortable paying him) you’re talking a 4.5 million difference on both years of his contract. I hardly see that as “ a few dollars” and I don’t see any difference what so ever in over paying a player that you both could and should have gotten cheaper – than putting that money into “criminally underused” players (much less just flat out bad players). It’s still paying money against the cap that can’t be used elsewhere to better the roster.

                A well run franchise neither puts them self in a bad position to have to overpay nor makes a habit of paying decent money to bad and/or heavily underused players. I think Pete and John should be held accountable to any decision that negatively affects roster building.

            • Scot04 says:

              The Seahawks had 50M. They tried to play that game with DE’s this last offseason and look what that got them. NO PASS RUSH!
              Reed was getting double teamed until Dunlap got here. I hope they keep Reed on longer deal. If Dunlap can comeback strong and finish the season how he started with us you keep him as well. Ford as well.
              If we keep those 3 and add talent instead of continuing to try replace them on the cheap, we might actually see improvement. I think you find a way to keep the talent on the D-line we do have and add to it. This team needs to apply pressure with the front 4. If that’s addressed 1st and early it will be a much nicer offseason.

  16. Kenny Sloth says:

    This team is a disgrace to Paul Allen’s legacy there I said it.

    • BobbyK says:

      This team is so weird to me. I can actually see a scenario where they get hot/believe and make the Super Bowl (part has to do with the fact the NFC is trash compared to the AFC). I also see where they miss the playoffs. Such a weird team. We’ll learn a lot in the next month!

      This team is more suited (talent wise) having sold out to play for future years (i.e. they’ve traded away now for the future). Instead, they’re weak on paper going into next year with limited draft picks and salary cap space (not a good combo).

    • CaptainJack says:

      Team had many mediocre/ garbage years under Paul Allen as well.

  17. John says:

    https://twitter.com/evaninsea/status/1337872405855760384?s=21
    Reading the comments under this tweet and it looks like “Seahawks Twitter” is it ready for the harsh reality of this team.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Can’t see it. He blocked me ages ago.

      • Ok says:

        It’s basically a theory that Rob has yet again been early to market with: Jodi Allen might not be the best owner/doesn’t hold Pete accountable (paraphrasing). It’s cool Evan said it, Rob wrote detailed thoughts on this subject, long ago. And on that note: thanks Rob. Weird year, trying year. I really appreciate you slogging through this difficult time!! Not only does the organization lack juice, the ‘fans’ are having a difficult time thinking critically, plus all of the wild stuff that is going on in the world….I’ve been really stoked by your thoughts, and criticisms. It’s also helped me, on a personal level, think more critically. So cheers for that.

      • CaptainJack says:

        Seahawks twitter drama queens. Embarrassing. My interest in the team and fan base decreases every year.

    • Ok says:

      I’m surprised that Pete got the extension, based on him stating that his goal is to win the division, and he doesn’t meet that goal.

      Pete does do the cultural things correctly, and maybe that was a deciding factor.

    • Denver Hawker says:

      Tweet was deleted.

  18. Volume12 says:

    ‘Bama RG Emil Ekiyor continues to impress me. Might not declare this year, but gonna be a good one.

  19. cha says:

    Seahawks elevate Chad Wheeler to 53, bring up Ray Ray Armstrong from PS for Jets game.

    They had an open roster spot on the 53, the common thinking was it would be used on activating Dunbar from IR next week. But sounds like Jarmaco is out Sunday and Ogbuehi is still questionable to play.

  20. Kenny Sloth says:

    Go Sounders!!!

  21. dcd2 says:

    I think I’ll be sick to my stomach no matter who the Jets take with our pick, but I might legit throw up if it’s Waddle. Dude looks like he’s going to be great one.

  22. charlietheunicorn says:

    You’re quibbling over a few dollars and comparing Reed to guys who have been criminally underused for the salary paid to them. ~ cha

    This is a good point. Some FA signing were questionable, some re-signings have been questionable…. but every team has hits and misses when it comes to dolling out the paper to players.

  23. charlietheunicorn says:

    SportsCenter
    @SportsCenter
    ·
    2h
    Brenden Rice, son of Hall of Famer Jerry Rice, became the first Colorado player with a receiving TD and a punt return for a TD in a game in the past 25 seasons Eyes

  24. RIP Sonics says:

    If Israel Mukuafu (#24 CB) from South Carolina (groin injury early this season then opted out) is available in the 2nd round I wonder if we make exception to our late round cornerback tendency. This dude is the most Seahawky corner I have seen in college football. Dude is 6’4″ 200 and moves better than most 5’10 athletes at the position. He is a ball hawk and and physical. Both he and horn are fantastic players but Mukuafu is more talented and a unique athlete I think the Seahawks would covet.
    He is freaky good in his tape from 2019.
    You have any thoughts on him Rob??
    Thanks!

  25. dj 1/2 way says:

    Javonte Williams sure looked like a Seahawk running back today. 5’10” and 220lb. What Round Rob? I will take him in the fourth with glee.

  26. CaptainJack says:

    I’m pissed and don’t care if I get banned for saying this.

    The idea that an owner who “cares more” is going to make Pete Carroll and John Schneider make better decisions regarding the draft and feee agency and coaches is really fucking stupid.

    A new owner isn’t changing shit. Unless they fire Pete, and then we’re basically back to eternal mediocrity. Pete’s failures are because of who he is, not because he doesn’t have someone breathing down the back of his neck.

  27. There is public opinion that Pete and John dont draft well.

    Picks in 45-75 range since 2012:

    Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson, Christina Michael, Paul Richardson, Justin Britt, Frank Clark, Tyler Lockett, Jarran Reed, Ethan Pocic, Rasheem Green, Marquise Blair, DK Matcalf, Darrell Taylor.

    I can bet thats the best in the league. By wide margin. And we are not speaking about late round picks(every one says they are only good in that).

    Yes they were below average with 1st round Picks, buth it was late first and 3 times they traded them. But in generally John is top 10 for sure and probably top 5 GM for drafting since 2015(because every one says he is done with good drafting after 2012) .

    Besides those picks from 45-75 since 2015 with later round Picks he drafted:

    Mark Glowinski, Quinton Jefferson, Shaquill Griffin, Chris Carson, David Moore, Will Disley, Jacob Martin, “Poona Ford” etc…

    • Ukhawk says:

      Christina 🤣

    • line_hawk says:

      I think they are bottom 5-10 in the league drafting in the past 5 years. They have hit on Metcalf but that’s about it. Blair, Green, Taylor have proved nothing, Pocic has been competent for half a season. The second list is mostly backups except Griffen (who is up and down) and Poona. When you draft 1 probowl caliber in 5 years, you get the mess we have.

      • Matt says:

        Yep. Taylor will more than likely never play a down for Seattle. Green…is just a guy. And they like Blair so much that they traded what…4 picks on 2 different guys to fix the safety position AFTER they drafted him. Pocic took 4 years to become a mediocre/replaceable starter.

        Amazed how people view some of these players. One nice play during a preseason games apparently equates to a great NFL career.

      • Gary says:

        “Pocic has been competent for half a season.”

        – In fairness to Ethan Pocic, ever wonder if he might have been a victim of more Hawks’ hubris and their smarter-than-everybody-else, infuriating insistence on having guys change positions? I am so sick of hearing, “Oh, we drafted him as a safety but we see him as more of a corner.” Or converting college D-linemen to play offensive line. Like only they can see and unlock the potential that no one else saw. Pocic is in and out of the lineup for several seasons and basically a replacement-level player at OG, and when they finally switch him to the position he played in college, he suddenly looks like a starter worthy of being drafted where he was. Should we really be that surprised? If I was Pocic I would be pissed that it took them over three years to finally let me play my actual position!

    • Rob Staton says:

      So since 2015… it’s basically DK Metcalf in that range.

      There’s the point.

  28. Rob Staton says:

    Week 14 is here — and I haven’t been this ‘meh’ about a gameday since 2011.

  29. SeattleLifer says:

    Was talking to my son earlier to see if he wanted to come over for football and we both came to the agreement that this game is beyond hard to get excited about to watch and he threw in that if we lose then Pete needs to be fired immediately after the game – to which I assured him even the Hawks will not be losing to the Jets.

    Just too bad we aren’t facing a good team this week after the unfocused let down of last week cause I’d rather put all that team anger/frustration/focus to better use than against the Jets.

  30. TomLPDX says:

    Got to love college football…never disappoints!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4cjEUpb5OA

  31. John says:

    https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1338156788806455298?s=21
    If Schotty were to leave I wonder if Pete would look to hire a OC outside of his coaching tree.

  32. cha says:

    Something I wished I put in my 3rd Q Report Card as a 4th Q goal..

    I want the Hawks to display that scrappy dog mentality they’ve shown at times in the last year.

    Getting up off the mat after that demoralizing loss to Arizona in Week 16 and taking SF to the very limit in Week 17 with a gutsy performance. Travis Homer getting 62 yards on 10 carries and getting encouragement from Marshawn Lynch on the sidelines. John Ursua with picking a crazy time to make an impact. Jacob Hollister with some key catches. Tre Flowers with a sack, of all things.

    They did it in the Dallas game this year. Half their defense hurt, Alton Robinson steps up for a key sack. Ryan Neal filling in admirably for Jamal Adams. Shaquem Griffin roaming behind the LOS using his speed to hunt guys down.

    DK never giving up on the Budda Baker INT.

    It’s in there guys. Find it.

    The Minnesota game – trampled all game in the run game, but finding the guts to get 2 key run stops. Russell Wilson on that final drive, knowing exactly when to run and pick up 7 and when to stay in the pocket and throw it.

  33. Sea Mode says:

    I have this terrible feeling we’re going to cream the Jets (0-12, I mean, come on…). As usual, many Seahawks fans will take this as “see, the last couple games were just some of those “off games”; Super Bowl, here we come!”. They will be unbearable on the interwebs for the entire week. Then we will proceed to lose our final 3 games in a total collapse that we all saw coming.

    Maybe that’s too negative, but one thing is for sure: if we can’t gain some momentum today against the Jets, it ain’t happening for us.

  34. BoiseSeahawk says:

    I like the Haskell Garret pick but its tough to see two division opponents grab quality OL/DL players each before our first selection

    Cardinals: Wyatt Davis and Jaelen Phillips
    49ers: Dayo Odeyingbo? and Aaron Banks (no QB??)

    2021 Draft might be a tough one to watch.

    Whats even more crazy is the 11-1 Steelers have SEVEN picks in rounds 1,2,3,4,4,7,7

  35. Rob Staton says:

    Man, AJ Brown is so good.

    Would’ve been awesome to have him and DK together.

    • Mick says:

      That makes me ask: are the WRs in the draft this year that good that we could trade Lockett for 2 picks and grab a replacement with the earliest? I’ve seen you have some up in your mock draft. I actually like Lockett but I can’t help wonder.

      • Rob Staton says:

        No.

        There’s absolutely zero point trading a proven, established WR with enormous chemistry with your QB only to have to replace them and hope that said player reaches Lockett’s level.

        This is like trading Frank Clark and hoping a rookie replacement will do the job.

        • Big Mike says:

          You left out “unathletic” before the word “rookie”.

          • Rob Staton says:

            And lots of people think Collier is playing well!

            57.0 PFF grade, ranked 86th out of 125 defensive linemen.

            Two sacks in 12 games.

            It would be underwhelming if he was a fourth rounder, let alone a first!

            • Mike says:

              Rasheem green seems to be taking some of his playing time since coming back from injury. He looks like he has way more upside than collier

  36. Rob Staton says:

    Cardinals kicking the Giants’ arse

    • Rob Staton says:

      And the fact Arizona is absolutely dominating NYG makes last week even more irritating.

    • Tony says:

      Ive been watching the game, not a beatdown like the score has suggested. Daniel jones has been horrible and 2 big fumbles have set up cards on really short fields. 1 of which was literally kicked out by an airborne defender on a kick return.

      • Paul Cook says:

        Agree about the ho-hum feeling surrounding today’s game. Even if we win convincingly, it can’t possibly erase last week’s disaster from my mind. How could it against an 0-12 team competing to win the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes? It’s only exacerbated by the Cards rubbing in what we should have done to the Giants last week.

        Oh well. Onward ho…

      • Big Mike says:

        There’s the problem, Colt McCoy not playing!
        Eye roll

        • Tony says:

          No where did i say anything like that. I prefer to watch the game before i make my own opinion on just looking at a score.

  37. cha says:

    Inactive

    Ryan Neal
    Cedric Ogbuehi
    Phil Haynes
    Carlos Dunlap
    Travis Homer
    Jamarco Jones

  38. Hoggs41 says:

    Watching the Chiefs just makes me feel like its there Super Bowl to lose. Also feels like they could possibly be the first to ever three peat.

  39. Mick says:

    3 Int Mahomes and still clear victory, now that’s a good team.

  40. Gary says:

    Raining today in the PNW – could be ugly!

  41. Pran says:

    NFCW Jets vs the real Jets.

    Let the show begin

  42. Matt says:

    Calling a 17-13 win with a late TD to eek by for a W. I’m also calling another Twitter fight with Dick Fain about “nobody cares what wins look like” and “style points.”

  43. Matt says:

    Great looking start…

  44. Tony says:

    I want some chain moving offense please.

  45. Sea Mode says:

    Well, I kinda forgot how massive Becton is. Woof. He is next to the normal OL like the normal OL are to the LBs.

  46. SeaTown says:

    What happens when Gase out coaches Carroll?

  47. Matt says:

    And we lose DK…gonna turn this one off pretty quickly if he’s out.

  48. Tony says:

    Gameplan:
    All dk today.

    2nd play, dk hurt.

    Seahawks: swain, u be dk now. We got this.

  49. cha says:

    That Duane Brown “psyche” air block on the penny Hart sweep was a thing of beauty.

    Meme worthy. You don’t mess with the water buffalo

  50. Trevor says:

    The Jets run D is awful the Hawks should run it 35+ times today at a minimum.

  51. Sea Mode says:

    I legit only recognized two players on the entire Jets defense… and I study the draft religiously…

    • charlietheunicorn says:

      They gave the Raiders all they could handle, then called a 0 blitz on the last play of the game : /

  52. charlietheunicorn says:

    Play with balance in the force

  53. Tony says:

    Ugo has been solid this year.

    • Paul Cook says:

      I just like the relentless enthusiasm with which he plays.

      On another note, were the announcers just alluding to a difficult QB decision the Jets have to make if they secure the #1 pick? No drama there. Lawrence.

  54. Tony says:

    Sooooo, lets keep chucking it.

  55. Big Mike says:

    How many times have you guys yelled throw it away at the TV this year?

  56. Sea Mode says:

    Welp, there’s one of the two players I had recognized. Great play there by Maye.

  57. SeaTown says:

    Chicago destroyed a bad Houston right out of the gate today. The Jets should not even be allowed to breathe. The start to this game is very disappointing.

  58. Bmseattle says:

    Doesn’t seem like DK should ever get out-fought for a ball like that.

    • Paul Cook says:

      You’ve got to throw that pass high there to DK. But maybe it shouldn’t have been thrown at all if he couldn’t throw a safer pass on the run.

    • Matt says:

      That wasn’t a 50/50 ball. RW threw it to the inside – you could see DK reaching out like the ball was going behind Maye’s head/back.

      He’s not good at them…but I don’t think that’s a fair example of fighting for the ball. Horrendous throw/decision by DK.

      • Bmseattle says:

        Fair enough… I’d think that DK should be able to prevent the interception there, at least, tho.

  59. Pran says:

    Adams is a bad receiver

  60. EP says:

    Jamal Adams is not a defensive back.

  61. Sea Mode says:

    Oh, dear.

  62. Tony says:

    My god theres not an easier pick to drop.

  63. Rob Staton says:

    What the hell was that by Jamal Adams?

  64. Kenny Sloth says:

    Jamal Adams is the WORSTEST at coveragizing

    ALSO HE HAS A FASHION COACH NAMED ALAN ISNT THAT LULZ

    • charlietheunicorn says:

      Hey hey hey

      He was in the right spot to make the play

      and you got to keep the fashion game tight

    • Sea Mode says:

      Kenny only showing up to troll SDB this season…

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        Im literally not even watching the game.

        I heard “aww Jamal Adams nearly had it there” on the broadcast and I just knew someone was gonna be on here shitting on Jamal Adams.

        The worst pass deflection I’ve ever seen in my life. 🙄

  65. KennyBadger says:

    With hands like that let’s just play a 5-2.

  66. Bmseattle says:

    Good to know that the one or two times a year that Adams will actually be in position to make a play on a ball, that he can’t catch it.

  67. James Cr. says:

    This team is a joke. Nice timeout.

  68. Big Mike says:

    Time for 2 incompletes and a FG?

  69. Sea Mode says:

    Lol, was that the exact same run play…?

  70. Big Mike says:

    Time for 2 incompletes and a FG?

  71. dand393 says:

    Can’t believe Wilson took the easy first down to Lockett and didn’t try to bomb it deep

  72. cha says:

    I don’t know that there’s anything to be determined about this Seahawks offense based in this game.

    That Jet defense is a joke.

  73. charlietheunicorn says:

    Props to DK

    😛

  74. Sea Mode says:

    No fun league… 😂🤣

  75. charlietheunicorn says:

    WTF

  76. Gohawks5151 says:

    Snacks!!!!

  77. cha says:

    Snacks!!

  78. Kenny Sloth says:

    I HATE YOU JAMAL ADAMS

  79. Matt says:

    I’m happy we are playing better…but my God, the Jets are like playing the Colorado School of Mines in week 1 for a college team.

  80. BruceN says:

    Tough crowd. We’re supposed to crush these Jets and score is 14-3 so far and we have about 160 yards of offense in one quarter vs. 60 yards. 10 first downs vs. 4. Take a deep breath. Aside from that bad interception (under throw) it’s going OK.

  81. Kenny Sloth says:

    Jason Myers- MVP.?

  82. Paul Cook says:

    On the kickoff, it didn’t even look like Myers was trying to kick it through the endzone. Didn’t seem like he put much leg into at all.

  83. Matt says:

    Jets are gonna get Trevor Lawrence.

    Sam Darnold will end up in Pittsburgh and end up having a nice career. I still think he can be a really good player and reminds me a LOT of Roethlisberger.

  84. Sea Mode says:

    KJ was all over that.

  85. charlietheunicorn says:

    Ok
    This settles it
    The Jets are not very good

  86. Tony says:

    Id really like a 45-3 game.

  87. Big Mike says:

    Good Lord Moore

  88. Tony says:

    3rd and 5, throw it 40.

  89. Paul Cook says:

    I’m so shell-shocked by Chris Carson now that I feel like he’s going to get injured every time he carries the ball.

  90. Pran says:

    Moore is a bad #3.

    When Jets leave the town, send Adams along and take back the picks.

  91. Matt says:

    My God…this team can’t catch.

  92. Matt says:

    That’s a dynamic sack by Jamal. No other DB can do that.

  93. Big Mike says:

    Horrible, non-champion penalty. DISCOURAGING

  94. Trevor says:

    What do the Eagles do with Carson Wentz if Hurts balls out?

  95. Paul Cook says:

    Man we’re letting this horrible Jets team hang in there…

  96. SeaTown says:

    Seahawks just letting an atrocious Jets team hang around. Say what you want about Chicago. They dismantled an inferior Houston team. This is embarrassing.

    • BruceN says:

      On NFL Gameday show all four talking heads picked Houston to win. Nothing in NFL is guaranteed. These same Jets almost beat a 7-5 Raiders last week. If not for a bonehead play by their DC.

  97. charlietheunicorn says:

    You’re Fired

    Jets Kicker

  98. Matt says:

    I hope Shaq was celebrating himself not getting called for PI on that.

  99. Robbie says:

    Shaq got away with one there.

  100. charlietheunicorn says:

    Finally, some short/medium passing plays

    OC is waking up

  101. Matt says:

    There’s nothing more frustrating than watching a bunch of easy, short completions to DK and Carson…and we will not see that again the rest of the season.

  102. Big Mike says:

    Better an xp today than a game winning fg later on

  103. Kenny Sloth says:

    Fun scoreline against a winless team, but I can’t help but feel we left a lot of opportunities on the field and a better team than these jets would have capitalized

  104. Troy says:

    Even though its the JETS, it still feels good to see the seahawks execute. If they can play like this against the football team (LOL) next week that will be a great sign.

  105. Paul Cook says:

    Don’t get that blitz at all.

  106. Bmseattle says:

    Shaq completely abandoned his zone there.

  107. charlietheunicorn says:

    RB Henry is such a beast 200+ more yards today

    Wow

  108. charlietheunicorn says:

    LMFAO

    This kicker has been paid off to miss FGs

    • Tony says:

      But coach, i dont want to miss and ruin my kicking name.

      Coach: its ok, no one is watching anyways.

      • charlietheunicorn says:

        I could make minimum NFL wage and miss kicks just as well as this clown has been missing them.

  109. James Cr. says:

    Looks like their kicker is missing on purpose.

  110. Tony says:

    Thank you jets for being the jets today and jetting all over yourselves.

  111. Sea Mode says:

    We have dropped a likely pick 6, another INT, and Moore dropped a deep bomb, and we are still up by 20. If that doesn’t tell you how bad the Jets are…

  112. charlietheunicorn says:

    Washington is giving the 49ers all they can handle…. intriquing

  113. Henry Taylor says:

    Well the Eagles are up 17-0 on the Saints. This game ain’t moving the needle on my super bowl hopes, but man the NFC is wide open this year.

  114. Kenny Sloth says:

    We might have the goat LOS Safety on our hands.

    That’s the superstar Russ wanted, but he needs to get those turnovers to have a real impact

  115. Rohan Raman says:

    Sergio Castilo is the Seahawks player of the game and you cannot change my mind. Man is goated.

  116. Kenny Sloth says:

    Watch the coaching staff make a dog’s dinner of this second half

  117. Sea Mode says:

    Another gift of a call there

    (and what a shot on Wilson)

  118. Robbie says:

    So sick of seeing 3 and longer than 5 and they look deep. 🙄

  119. Big Mike says:

    Does anyone know if Shell got hurt again or are they just resting him and that’s why we see Wheeler at right tackle?

  120. Kenny Sloth says:

    Dwayne Brown spike: the thing i never knew i needed

  121. Sea Mode says:

    Ok, lets rest some starters, please.

  122. Troy says:

    The Jets are so committed to this tank, I don’t think we can really glean anything from this game. Gonna have to wait til next week to see how the rest of the season will play out.

  123. Sea Mode says:

    Can we catch an INT, please?

  124. Trevor says:

    I know Seahawks twitter would go nuts but if Carson and Hyde are healthy for the the playoff stretch this needs to be a run first offense not pass first. The whole let Russ cook idea seemed great in theory but it turned him into a turnover machine.

    Get back to ball security and running the ball. Keep the defence off the field and then go for some deep shots to DK and Locket.

  125. Kenny Sloth says:

    That was a scary fair catch. Why did they take Moore off of PR?

  126. cha says:

    Greg Gumbel: (2 minute spiel about how the Seahawks admitted they didn’t take the Giants seriously and how they look crisper today)

    Color guy: I really admire what PC said on Monday that they always take every opponent seriously and don’t underestimate anyone. He has the Seahawks ready to play each and every week.

    //hits myself in the head with a cartoon hammer

  127. Sea Mode says:

    Please rest Carson now…

  128. KennyBadger says:

    Nice to see an Ass kicking. Greg gumbel is atrocious.

  129. cha says:

    Okay Geno.

    Remember when you led the 2nd team offense all over the field vs the top defense in preseason?

    Do it again.

  130. Sea Mode says:

    Geno Smith revenge tour… 🤣

  131. charlietheunicorn says:

    This has to be one of the earliest pulls of a winning QB in a game I can ever remember.

  132. Big Mike says:

    Backup LBs in too. Bobby and KJ rest. Adams resting too. Good to see.

    • charlietheunicorn says:

      The energy level on the field seems to amped up for the Seahawks defense. The DL was very active and disruptive on the last 3 and out.

    • cha says:

      Cody Barton. The Steve Scheffler of the Seattle Seahawks.

      Kudos if you get that joke.

  133. Troy says:

    Rob, curious on your take on this game. I’m inclined to say ok cool, but we won’t know for sure whether this team is trending in the right direction until after next week.

  134. cha says:

    Colby! Welcome to the NFL!

  135. charlietheunicorn says:

    Parkinson, some nice hands

  136. Rick Lynch says:

    What about Kyle Trask?

  137. Big Mike says:

    Haskins in for Alex Smith. Smith has calf injury. Guessing he’s back next week. Total guess tho

  138. charlietheunicorn says:

    Eagles trying to find ways to lose their game

  139. DAWGfan says:

    It may be tough since we used a 1st round pick on Penny, but what are your thoughts on drafting Chubba Hubbard with our round 2 pick if the Hawks decide to let Carson walk? We have seen how much better Wilson is with a strong run game. I think DB is going to be our greatest need in the draft, but just don’t know if they can get the value at the position in round 2 and JS and JC have not been keen on taking that position high(with the exception of Blair).

    • Rob Staton says:

      Chubba Hubbard is the opposite of what PC looks for in a RB.

      • DAWGfan says:

        He is very patient has a lot of La’Veon Bell in him, he needs to improve his pass catching. The standard bell cow running back is a dying breed and while I love Carson’s ferocity, that style of running leads to injuries and when he goes down so does our offense.

        • Rob Staton says:

          Sure, the days of Derrick Henry and Nick Chubb and Dalvin Cook are long gone.

          Come on.

          He’s not a fit in Seattle. We don’t need to have a big debate about it. We know what they go for. We’ve got 10 years of drafting to go off.

          • DAWGfan says:

            That could be an issue. They love the bruising bell cow, two out of the three you named have missed significant time. Henry is a beast and un-natural. The pool of players that can do that has thinned out considerably over the last decade. I am not disagreeing with the fact they have a specific type they like, it’s that their prototypical RB are becoming harder and harder to find.

            • Rob Staton says:

              No they aren’t.

              • DAWGfan says:

                The #’s don’t agree. In 2010 there were as many RB’s with 300+ carries as there have been the last 5 years combined. The game has changed with more passing and with the spread so prevalent in college you have fewer backs that pound the ball and are effective at pass protection. I liken it to a TE who can catch and block effectively in todays game. The majority are either very good blockers who have the ability to catch or basically a big WR with no blocking skills. You have a few outliers such as Kittle or Kelce, who are absolute matchup nightmares.

                • Rob Staton says:

                  The entire top-20 in the NFL for rushing fit Seattle’s size criteria.

                  You’ve come up with a suggestion — draft Chubba Hubbard — and are now trying to talk it into being a possibility, when we know it almost certainly isn’t.

                  • DAWGfan says:

                    Sorry, didn’t mean to make it sound like a Chubba love fest. Was not my intention, more of a change in our offensive philosophy. The way the Hawks currently play if we don’t have the bruising bell cow our offense looks inept and when Lynch left we struggled until Carson came around. I love Carson, I just don’t think the Hawks will give him the $ he will be looking for nor do I feel the Hawks should meet those demands.