Why I hope Drew Lock wins the starting job

August 7th, 2022 | Written by Rob Staton

86 Responses to “Why I hope Drew Lock wins the starting job”

  1. Neville says:

    Agree 100%. I simply do not want to watch Geno Smith. Zero upside and unbelievably boring.

  2. Milwaukee Hawk says:

    Love the content Rob.

    Can you try to post more to your podcast? I love the YouTube channel, but harder to listen to on the go (and uses more cell data). No worries if a big hassle.

  3. Elmer says:

    I expect that Lock will prevail in the natural course of events. Just maybe not by the first regular season game. It seems to me that Pete wants to give them both plenty of chance to compete and feel that they were given a fair shake.

  4. SebA says:

    Thanks for this Rob. Totally agree – was really heartened to see Lock have a bit more about him in the practice game.

  5. If this season turns out as we expect and the Seahawks don’t have a winning season and decided to draft a QB high in next year draft. I realize that I am jumping way ahead of myself. But having an older defense head coach the best case scenario? I know you talk about this a lot after last season. What I learned this off-season is Pete has a lot of power.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Ideally you have a young, mastermind offensive head coach. That way you never lose them to another team, like you would if your top offensive coach is simply your offensive coordinator.

      However, many of the brilliant offensive minds in the league are now Head Coaches already. And if Carroll is transitioning to more overseer than all-powerful head honcho, it might not be so much of an issue.

  6. Scott says:

    Lock was running the dumbed down ‘Goff’ offense. Lots of play action. Smith was throwing out of pure drop back. He ran a more complicated ‘Stafford’ offense.

    Lock is still baby stepping into a WCO.

    As for Smith, take out the Jax game and he played really well.
    Guy hadn’t played in 5 years yet marched 98 yds vs the eventual Super Bowl champion. His stats minus Jax taking defenses faced is surprisingly quite good. Better than Jimmy G or Baker vs the same opponents.

    The “Geno is Geno” narrative is specious. We don’t know who Geno is. We are going to find out who Geno Smith is.

    • Henry Taylor says:

      This going around because of a tweet and a John Gilbert article, but based on the clips I’ve seen there was plenty of drop back passing for Drew.

      The notion that Geno would be graduated to the ‘Stafford’ offense is also pretty laughable, he’s not even as good as Goff.

    • Peter says:

      I have a pretty easy way to show you that Smith isn’t good and it’s based on the roundly agreed idea that last year sucked for the hawks former QB, here it goes:

      Russel Wilson Stats amortized over 17 games….

      Yds: 3780
      TD: 30.3
      INTs: 7.2

      Geno Smith stats amortized over 17 games, WITH, counting his total numbers based on games started. If you count all games (4) played his numbers would be even crappier…..so like you where you omit a game I will do the same so he seems to be better than he is….

      Yds: 3978
      TD: 28.3
      INT: 5.6

      so with cherry picked numbers we sucked with Wilson’s season and Smith’s stats would be near exactly the same.

      It’s not specious to look at a near decade long career and with his “good,” starts last year he is a sub average backup. I suppose it’s possible almost ten years in he could give you a sub optimal Wilson style season. That’s not anything to hang your hat on. 230 odd yards a game and around 1.5 tds a game….isn’t a winner in today’s NFL.

      • RealRhino2 says:

        Wait. Do you think you WON this argument? I would sign up every day for those numbers from Geno. Lower volume, sure, but good efficiency, so I assume that means everything has gone to plan: our run game and defense are carrying us.

        • Peter says:

          Let me get this straight.

          You think both players then had stats good enough to win but somehow they just didn’t win?

          Efficiency? These are cherry picked stats for geno. If you do the regression for geno’s actual game time it is significantly more mediocre.

          Hope the defense is much better than last year for sure. Also hope if Geno starts he isn’t the same crappy QB he has been for 8 years. That’s a lot of hope though to go around.

          • Scott Crowder says:

            taking out Jax game is not cherry picking. That was his best game. Taking out his best game and then noting that the rest of his games were not so bad is the opposite of cherry picking.

            But extrapolating Geno’s 17 game projection based on 17 games vs just NO, Pitt and Rams defenses vs Wilson vs a wide range of defenses is a complete waste of time. So let’s compare Geno to every other QB who played the same four teams last season:

            Who’s stat line would you rather see vs NO, Pitt and Jax?
            74/126 58.7% cmp% 784 yds 5TD 4 INT 6.2 y/a
            55/78 70.5% cmp % 571 yds 4 TD 0 INT 7.3 y/a

            The first QB is Josh Allen sucking it primarily vs Jacksonville but not playing so great vs NO or Pitt. That bottom line is Geno Smith vs the same 3 opponents.

            How about this guy, who played vs NO, Pitt, Jax (twice) and the Rams?
            95/146 65.1% cmp% 982 yds 4 TD 2 INT 6.7 y/a
            65/95 68.4% cmp% 702 yds 5 TD 1 INT 7.4 y/a

            The first QB is Ryan Tannehill.

            How about a guy who played against the Rams, NO and Pitt last year? Let’s take out that really good game against Jax Geno had.
            63/109 57.8% cmp% 688 yds 4 TD 2 INT 6.3 y/a
            45/71 63.4% cmp% 507 yds 3 TD 1 INT 507 7.1 y/a

            The first QB there is Aaron Rodgers.

            So before you go claiming you ‘know’ what you have in Geno Smith, how about you actually look and see what you HAD in Geno Smith last year.

    • cha says:

      Lock was running the dumbed down ‘Goff’ offense. Lots of play action. Smith was throwing out of pure drop back. He ran a more complicated ‘Stafford’ offense.

      Lock is still baby stepping into a WCO.

      I’m sorry, what? What is that based on?

      If it’s Gregg Bell’s tweet about ‘two different styles’ that is a massive overreading of the situation.

      If I had to guess, Bell was trying to frame the matchup with that tweet, but it was way too broad a statement.

      Lock probably had about 75-85% of his throws from a traditional pocket read. He frequently read the field and selected an option. As I wrote in my notes, he consistently found the middle of the field and took the options that were available to him. He made plays that took processing power and control.

      Look at this laser to DK. That’s not a throw a QB who is being spoon fed makes.

      https://twitter.com/RussellMetcat/status/1556099200324190209

      For Bell to say the Seahawks were running a whole different offense because Lock did 3-4 RPO’s and a couple designed rollouts on 30 or so plays is ridiculous. Further extrapolating that the Seahawks are putting limits on Lock (in a practice game no less) is even more shaky.

      I’d also add that if Geno had managed to stay on the field longer they might have opened up the playbook for him a bit too. But he couldn’t.

      One of the reasons he couldn’t is due to that ridiculous throw to Goodwin I wrote about. The Seahawks are in FG range, they have 3 points in their pocket and Geno not only overthrows him, it looks as if Geno thinks Woolen is the WR. It was that bad a throw.

      • cha says:

        Found the Geno throw. I wish I was overstating how bad it was but I’m not.

        https://twitter.com/RussellMetcat/status/1556098813965717505

        • RealRhino2 says:

          I think you are putting way too much weight on this throw and misreading it, to boot. I don’t know the down and distance, but it looks like they are at the 30. So a 47 yard field goal. Hardly “in their pocket.” Myers was 60% between 40-49 last year.

          But the key point is that it’s training camp. We already know our kicker can kick. Sure, you want to give him some game action but that’s not the main point. I think Geno was just trying to throw the ball up to give his receiver a chance to fight for it. There’s a lot more value in seeing the receiver and defensive back fight for that ball been trotting out our field goal kicker. Geno was pretty good at avoiding Interceptable throws in actual games last year. I trust that more.

          • cha says:

            But the key point is that it’s training camp.

            No it is not. This is a mock game. A simulated game with simulated situations. And a quarterback competition that is being judged by the head coach.

            it looks like they are at the 30. So a 47 yard field goal. Hardly “in their pocket.”

            You are correct that is about where they were. But you’re missing the point.

            Geno has Ken Walker to his right and the slot receiver to his left curling at about the 25. A bullet between the numbers gets them a first down and at least guarantees a 40 yard FG try at a minimum.

            Instead, Geno made an absolutely terrible choice and followed it up with an even worse throw.

            The Seahawks shot themselves in the foot so many times last year when in FG range it’s ridiculous. If they just cut down on those specific mistakes they’ll be vastly better. And Geno made a whopper there.

            I think Geno was just trying to throw the ball up to give his receiver a chance to fight for it. There’s a lot more value in seeing the receiver and defensive back fight for that ball

            Oh come on.

            Woolen was in such good position when Geno let it fly HE was running the route, not Goodwin. That ball should never have been thrown.

            But fine, even if we grant your premise, there’s no logic that says with a field goal in your pocket, it’s a good decision to throw the ball to your 5’9″ WR when being covered by a 6’4″ CB so you could ‘see the receiver and defensive back fight for that ball.’

            Geno was pretty good at avoiding Interceptable throws in actual games last year. I trust that more.

            PC likes that as well. And Geno may well win the job with that being heavily weighted. But he would make that decision in spite of that throw.

            I’m not saying Geno should lose the job based on the one throw. I was refuting the nonsense that Geno is somehow doing calculus while Lock is still learning the multiplication tables. That was a boneheaded throw. FWIW PC changed the rotation after that and put Lock in immediately after.

        • RugbyLock says:

          He threw that where only the db could catch it…

      • Henry Taylor says:

        It’s based on this article from Fieldgulls, which I assume is just based on the Greg Bell tweet.

        https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/8/7/23295653/three-takeaways-from-seattle-seahawks-mock-game-geno-lock-thompson-parkinson

      • Blitzy the Clown says:

        I read “Look at this laser to DK” then scanned “RussellMetcat” in the twitter url, which I misread as “RussellMetcalf”, and thought to myself “oh c’mon cha it’s not fair to compare Geno to Russell Wilson”

        But then, I also yawned when the dog did in Rob’s video so…

  7. Happy Hawk says:

    I with Rob on this one! Lock will be at least fun to watch we have already seen the G Smith movie we don’t need the sequel. Lock is the surest way to 3 wins and that will eliminate any QB controversy when we draft our QB of the future next year.

  8. samprassultanofswat says:

    Last year Pete Carroll brought Shane Waldron to be the Seahawks offensive coordinator. This offseason Pete Carroll reluctantly fired Ken Norton and promoted Clint Hurtt. I think these were two wise moves. Pete also had to let Mike Solari go. No doubt that was a tough decision Bringing in Sean Desai and Karl Scott were brilliant moves. By making these coaching changes Carroll at the age of 70 (finally) is starting to realize that he doesn’t have all the answers.

    Just a side point. John Schneider is a humble man. Deep down I think he street smarts. By trading Russell Wilson away both Schneider and Pete Carroll want to prove they can will without Russell Wilson.

    • Big Mike says:

      I hope you’re right about Carroll. I fear he’ll revert to his old self and assume full control of whatever aspect of the team isn’t doing well early on (likely the offense) and im pose his way of doing things upon it. We shall see.

      • 12th chuck says:

        He already did last year with the offense. I wish pc would have retired before last season

  9. JC3 says:

    I think Geno out played Wilson last season, except he simply don’t have that “it” factor when game is on the line. Maybe the problem can be solved if he is given more playing time, but I don’t really care if he fails again because we all know he is just a seat warmer until they draft the next big thing.

  10. Waiting for my LOCKer to be assigned says:

    I’m with Rob for all the reasons he stated. But, despite the obvious entertainment value, I doubt that Carrol hands Drew the keys to the car for the Denver game. The Hawks, quite legitimately, have concerns about Lock’s confidence. Putting him in against Denver is a big roll of the dice. If he did well, it would be a big confidence boost. But if it goes south, it could ruin him for the whole year. My guess is that conservative Pete won’t be willing to take the chance unless Lock plays astonishingly well in the preseason games.

    • Henry Taylor says:

      Lol, Jurgens looks about half his size bless him.

    • Beastie says:

      We are going to regret drafting Davis aren’t we? I get that it wasn’t an immediate need or whatever but man that guy is just built different!

    • Big Mike says:

      Oh Lord. That’s a nearly 300 lb. man he’s just moving like an inanimate blocking sled. Teams are going to have to do a lot of trying to influence him one way and run/roll the opposite or double teaming because I’m guessing few can block him one on one.

    • Trevor says:

      Davis will require a double team on every snap unless you want your Center and QB spending the entire game standing / sitting in the backfield next to each other all game. That is a Beast.

    • hawkfaninMT says:

      Kinda think this is overblown… Its a one v one pass block drill that favors the DL. Also, if you count from snap to 2.5 hops its about 4 secs… pass would be out by then. Just seems like this is a tweet for camp hype around a rookie is all.

      Not to say he won’t be good, but just think this 1 rep has gotten a little too click-y

  11. Sea Mode says:

    Spread some BAMF-ness on the OL!

    Damien Lewis
    @Damienlewis72
    ·13h

    This time around it ain’t gone be nothing nice‼️🦅💚 #LB4F

  12. James P says:

    I haven’t watched it yet but I know I’ll agree with it. I’m 99% certain Drew Lock isn’t the answer – but I’m 100% certain Geno Smith isn’t. Roll with Lock, maybe just maybe you find something. And if you don’t, the 2023 draft is all about QB.

  13. Trevor says:

    Perhaps Pete is just trying to show some loyalty to a veteran but how is even a debate?

    The Hawks and the rest of the league know exactly what Geno is. Replacement level backup QB.

    Lock at least has the skill set to be a quality QB and has shown that ability at times with Denver. He should be getting the majority of snaps to get familiarity with the first team offence now. If he goes out in the first couple of weeks and stinks you can always go back to Geno. Nothing to loose and everything to gain by rolling with Lock from the start.

  14. cha says:

    https://twitter.com/bcondotta/status/1556742310771077120

    Mike Rob & Bennett join preseason broadcast team. Also this…

    Seahawks also announce that later this season, Marshawn Lynch will also act as a special correspondent for the team, where he will produce creative content for a variety of projects.

    • Group Captain Mandrake says:

      And Marshawn will be creating content as well. The mind reels at what that might be.

      • Big Mike says:

        My mind reeled at “creative content” from Marshawn. So created content that’s creative. Oh boy, that stuff ought to a real doozy.

  15. cha says:

    Florio & Simms talk the QB battle and dissect Pete’s “Drew got more opportunities” comment from Saturday a little.

    https://youtu.be/KmzefKUoa1k

    They both think Geno still has the lead due to familiarity and Lock’s erratic throws and turnover potential. Florio wonders if Pete would hold on to Geno to make a point about winning with RW’s backup.

    Also should they pursue Jimmy G if/when he is cut? Simms says no. He can’t make the throws either of the two Seahawks’ guys can.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I think they could be right about Geno

      But I also think the Seahawks are determined to make Drew Lock ‘win’ the job and stare down a challenge

      After all — Russell Wilson didn’t jump to #1 on the depth chart until pre-season week three against the Chiefs. As noted in the video — if Lock is to win this job, the timeline is likely going to be similar

      So I think we’ve got to wait this out. If Lock performs better in the first two pre-season games, I think he will be in pole position to play Denver.

      • cha says:

        I agree, it’s a process.

        But I also don’t think PC is as sold on Geno as many think.

        I’ll never forget the Monday after the Jacksonville win Pete telling Salk flat out if they had Russ they would have won the games they lost.

      • All I see is 12s says:

        I think this is exactly right. I think if the truth serum was administered, they want drew lock to be the guy but they really feel strongly about making him earn it.
        I also think that it is likely they were interested in Lock during the draft. He has many of the traits that Allen and Mahomes had,ie tall, big arm, can run etc. in hindsight it’s easy to forget how bad Allen was panned for his accuracy issues and his inability to elevate UW. Mahomes had his knocks as well.
        Yet both of these quarterbacks went to teams that knew how to develop them.
        I wonder, if they think Lock Could have been similar to these guys had he been on the proper team with better coaches.
        I wonder if Carroll, who coached two qb Heisman winners at USC, would love to develop Drew lock if only to prove that his system and coaching wasn’t the problem with Russ… i mean Mr. Limited

        • Rob Staton says:

          they want drew lock to be the guy but they really feel strongly about making him earn it.

          Exactly this, IMO

          And rightly so, to be fair

    • Big Mike says:

      I’ve mentioned before that Florio is theorizing that Pete wants to prove a point by winning with Geno after trading RW. If he starts Geno over Lock IF Lock outplays Geno the rest of the preseason and does so for that reason alone, he’s a very small minded, sad man imo.

      • Ashish says:

        Big Mike, let’s wait. This is first time Lock has played well and put his claim on QB position. Let Lock win this competition. Regarding Geno, i would not like him as 2nd QB may be Sam if he is cheap no need to trade unless it is 7th round.

      • Peter says:

        Imagine the hubris to think “we can win without Wilson,” when you couldn’t win with Wilson.

        Even if now is EXACTLY a redo of 2011 in terms of setting the team up…and I hope so….checks notes….yep that team still was a QB away from doing any damage.

        • Romeo A57 says:

          💯 Per Sando’s recent QB tier rankings, and most reasonable football experts, the Seahawks are going from a top 10 QB to the worst starting QB in the league. Teams with the worst starting QBs do not make the playoffs.

          • Peter says:

            Why I am on Team “Rob Staton.” I’m just here to watch Kenneth Walker, the tackles, mafe/Taylor, and see who shines with the DB’s. If lock shines, cool.

            I just want some interesting games and to watch a core build for 2023.

            • Romeo A57 says:

              Absolutely, build a solid running game, pass rush and pass defense. If you have these things, you might be able to lure a good QB to the team if you can’t find one in the draft

  16. WEG says:

    This is a terrific blog – only recently discovered it, wouldn’t have believed it existed – and I generally agree with RS’s takes. But I do have a quibble or alternative idea or two.

    One is that it’s kind of hard to evaluate the chances of Geno Smith being halfway decent, given that a possibility like this – guy sits on bench for 7 years, then becomes starter – is extremely unusual. We don’t have much to go on. But if Geno Smith is really going to be the starter and is as hopeless as RS suggests, the significance of that is that PC and JS and the rest of the coaches need to go.

    I didn’t think Geno Smith was all that bad last year – when he wasn’t getting sacked. He did a good job not throwing picks, I thought. But his sack rate was 12%, and it certainly looked to me like he couldn’t handle the pass rush very well. (Maybe those who are more knowledgeable than me, and better at evaluating the tape, would disagree).

    While Geno Smith’s career sack rate is 8.6%, Drew Lock’s is 4.4%. (Last year’s league average was 6.2%). Maybe Lock has had better protection, or played in a better system for avoiding sacks?

    Unless that 4.4% career sack rate stat and Smith”s seemingly obvious troubles in 2021 are very misleading, that seems like a huge pointer toward Lock being the option that gives you the better chance.

    My other quibble is with “rebuild.” Every team in the NFL rebuilds every year! We all know how NE and Baltimore stay good every year. The Seahawks were quite decent last year – +29 point differential despite two games of Hapless Geno and three (or so) games of Hapless Russell. Seahawk fans can whine about how bad they think the roster is but that’s ridiculous – bad rosters don’t end up +29 when 30% of the time the team might as well have had Jacob Eason in there.

    Put a bad roster out there with last year’s QB play and they’re lucky to get to -100, forget about +29. RW had some good games but be realistic.

    Anyway, my point is that of course they should be thinking playoffs – losing RW by itself shouldn’t make them automatically bad. (Yes, they also lost Wagner, Brown and Reed, but doesn’t every team lose guys like that every year?). Pretty doubtful they’ll make it, but this is the current NFL, some pretty dubious squads have made it to the SB the past 15 years or so.

    And if Smith is as hopeless as RS suggests surely that means it will be Lock and if they’re both hopeless surely it will be Sognorc. (Some Other Guy Not On Roster Currently). Unless you’re stuck with an idiot for an owner, you should never not try to be good.

    • Rob Staton says:

      One is that it’s kind of hard to evaluate the chances of Geno Smith being halfway decent, given that a possibility like this – guy sits on bench for 7 years, then becomes starter – is extremely unusual.

      Geno Smith started 30 games in the first two years of his career and he has 45 career starts. I’m not sure we need to see much more of him starting to get an accurate feel for what he is.

      I’d even go a step further to suggest that a player who has shown as little as he has in his career is rather fortunate to still be in the league at all. Especially when his pre-season appearances in Seattle, as Wilson’s backup, were at times painful to watch.

      We don’t have much to go on. But if Geno Smith is really going to be the starter and is as hopeless as RS suggests, the significance of that is that PC and JS and the rest of the coaches need to go.

      I think there’s a lot more nuance to it than this quote suggests.

      For starters, Smith may not win the job. So there’s that.

      Then we should also consider other factors. This is clearly a rebuild and it’s the first year of that rebuild. There is a promising QB draft class in 2023 on the horizon. I don’t want to watch Geno Smith. But if he does, they’ll be banking on his experience and familiarity to help transition to what is next from 2023 onwards. That isn’t a firing offence by the Seahawks’ top brass. That’s simply perspective that this year is about developing the defense and the O-line and the QB situation won’t be properly solved until next year.

      I didn’t think Geno Smith was all that bad last year – when he wasn’t getting sacked. He did a good job not throwing picks, I thought.

      He was awful and we shouldn’t try to let the Seahawks talk us into an alternative reality.

      He had a neat cameo vs LA but then threw a pick to end the game. He turned the ball over to lose the Steelers game. He was absolutely horrendous against the Saints and couldn’t move the ball at all. And he beat the worst team in the league in Jacksonville.

      On turnovers, let’s not forget two Smith turnovers ended two games.

      My other quibble is with “rebuild.” Every team in the NFL rebuilds every year!

      Come on. This simply isn’t true.

      The Seahawks traded away their franchise quarterback and then cut a franchise mainstay. Their two biggest name players.

      Are we honestly comparing that to say the Buccs. How are they rebuilding? Or the Rams?

      Teams improve and occasionally reload. The Seahawks are rebuilding virtually from scratch. Let’s not try and suggest what they’re doing this year is a banality within the league.

      The Seahawks were quite decent last year

      I beg to differ

      Seahawk fans can whine about how bad they think the roster is but that’s ridiculous

      Why is it a whine and ridiculous just because you disagree? Legitimate points were made about the weakness of the roster over the last few years, with many arguing it was propped up by the QB. Low and behold, when the QB got injured, the roster was exposed.

      They finished strongly when the run game improved and Wilson began to claw his way back to health but let’s not kid ourselves. They were rubbish last season. Thankfully a good 2022 draft class was exactly what they needed and they appear to have executed a good draft this year to try and set new foundations.

      Unless you’re stuck with an idiot for an owner, you should never not try to be good.

      Who is arguing they should try not to be good?

      The argument is this is year one of a rebuild and accepting that rebuilds take time and more than one draft/off-season is a perfectly plausible position to take and doesn’t warrant a dismissive tone.

      • WEG says:

        Well, thanks for the considered reply.

        One correction: Geno only has 34 starts.

        I don’t disagree with your assessment of GS – for my own part I’m just more unsure, don’t have a strong opinion. It was the Jets, it was (in football terms) a long time ago, and while going from Sanchez in his 4th year to Smith in his 1st didn’t make them better, it didn’t make them worse either.

        My real point in favor of not having too strong of a opinion is it’s just so odd! What team ever gives a tong time backup QB a real shot? I have to hope they really see something in the guy.

        I like this quote a lot:

        “I don’t want to watch Geno Smith. But if he does, they’ll be banking on his experience and familiarity to help transition to what is next from 2023 onwards. That isn’t a firing offence by the Seahawks’ top brass.”

        However, to me your other statements seems to suggest his “experience and familiarity” are likely to translate into dreadful QB play. I don’t understand how that’s going to help the transition; I would think they’d want the best QB possible so that the players are happy and motivated and getting to experience more positive things. How are all the “three and outs” referenced in the video going to help?

        Maybe I am just misunderstanding the argument?

        • Rob Staton says:

          However, to me your other statements seems to suggest his “experience and familiarity” are likely to translate into dreadful QB play. I don’t understand how that’s going to help the transition; I would think they’d want the best QB possible so that the players are happy and motivated and getting to experience more positive things.

          I don’t think his experience and familiarity will translate to bad play. I think the fact he’s a crap player will translate to bad play.

          They might think someone who knows the offense and can set protections, make adjustments, keep things on time is valuable to the extent they will start him and endure whatever comes. Not my preference but I would get it in a year that is 100% just about starting off a rebuild.

  17. seaspunj says:

    Whoever the QB is … PC will have them be a game manager and run 30 to 35 times a game with 20 to 25 pass attempts.

    i am more than happy with roughly the following stats like 17/25 185 yards 1.3 td 0.7 int per game

    over a full 17 game season of

    63% pass completion
    3200 yards
    22 TD
    12 int

    this will be similar to Russell Wilson’s rookie year. I dont know how accurate Drew Lock completion % will be, but i DONT think Geno will have a 63% completion average

    overall i dont expect much from this QB group so even my hope for 3200 22 td and 12 int would be asking a LOT from both Geno and Drew

    What i am going to look for the final stats pan out for this entire season if the QB stats will be near this or not.

  18. Olyhawksfan says:

    I think this whole ‘Pete’s going to play Wilson’s back up to prove he can win without him’ narrative is crazy. I know PC has a big ego, but I don’t think he’s going to shove Geno Smith down our throats for 17 games just to try and prove a point.

    He probably knows what he has in Geno. A back up. But at this point what is he supposed to say? ‘Yeah Geno really sucks, sorry 12s, just hang on until next year when we can draft a real QB.’

    • RealRhino2 says:

      Exactly. Is that a Florio thing? For a supposedly smart guy he says a ton of dumb things. I think Pete will play the guy he thinks gives us the best chance to win, period. This year. He’s not interested in making this season a year-long tryout for Lock. He’s not interested in making the games more entertaining.

      With that in mind, two things to consider. First, it seems Smith has the support of the players in the locker room for now. Lock is going to have to clearly beat him out to win the job. A head coach simply cannot start a guy the team knows doesn’t give them the best chance to win. You destroy your culture that way.

      Second, it’s entirely possible a lower-ceiling but less erratic QB gives us the best chance to win. Let’s imagine we’ve built a team on running and defense, a team designed to keep games close. A 20-17 kind of team. In that case, it’s probably better to just have a guy who won’t screw it up with dumb decisions and risky throws. Winning one game 38-17 but losing the next 14-17 because of a dumb interception is not as good as winning them both 20-17. May be what Pete’s thinking. They want to see Lock not do dumb stuff before they trust him.

      • Rob Staton says:

        Florio is incredibly smart and we don’t need to imply otherwise

        By all means disagree with him on topics (I do sometimes) but the man is incredibly switched on, works his arse off and is completely dedicated to his craft. He deserves far more respect than some fans are willing to offer

        • UkAlex6674 says:

          100% agree on Florio. The way he can construct his arguments and discussions are superb, even if his opinion differs from mine. Being a solicitor myself I love how he brings in analytical thought and questioning into football matters. He is also very articulate and easy to listen to on TV or podcast. I only have so much time to watch/listen/read NFL things in a week but Florio is always near top of the list.

          Alongside this blog obviously!

    • Rob Staton says:

      I don’t think it’s crazy at all

      I don’t agree with it but understand why some are thinking that way. Especially given they keep talking up Geno

      • Big Mike says:

        “Especially given they keep talking up Geno”

        This. It feels like stubborn Pete won’t budge off Geno for whatever reason. Even when Lock clearly outplayed him this last weekend, he goes into politician mode and starts talking about how he needs to see the film and yadda, yadda, yadda. It feels from the outside like he desperately wants Geno to win the job. Why that is, well, Florio’s theory is as good as anything anyone else has suggested.

        • Rob Staton says:

          I do think, though, this is clever management from Carroll.

          He wants Lock to truly earn this gig IMO. And thus, he’s also managing expectations.

          If Lock outplays Smith in the pre-season games and Smith starts week one, of course that will be very different.

  19. L80 says:

    I remember Smith with the Jets. All that potential, then he flopped spectacularly. I remember thinking…Gawd I’m glad we don’t have a QB like him, yet here we are.

    He’s like a bad Tarvaris.

    PLEASE Lock, keep up the confidence. It would make this season much more palatable.

    • Danimal says:

      His senior season stats with WVU were insane. I think through the first 5 weeks of the season he had more TDs than incompletions. Then the wheels completely fell off.

  20. Denver Hawker says:

    I’ve followed the Broncos for quite awhile and have to say this far, this QB battle strikes me as eerily similar to the Lock/Bridgewater conversation last year. Pete’s comment after the mock game of “gotta looks at the tape” was like cut/paste from Fangio.

    Lock can make some throws that dazzle you and you can see the potential. This got half the fan base onboard the Lock-train, plus wanting to see what they have in him and just give him a chance to be the guy.

    Teddy/Geno- knows the offense better, less mistakes. Doesn’t “win” the job, but sorta doesn’t lose it either. It’s terribly boring football.

    • Ashish says:

      Simple answer, play Lock as he can become better QB and some potential. We know what Geno can do and can be backup in case of injuries. Either way we are going to win super bowl, we just need our offense to be functional.
      Next year get our choice of QB in draft. I hope we get two high draft picks 🙂

  21. cha says:

    PC will address the media today.

    One thing I’d really like is the press following up and pushing him a bit on the mock game. Every question Saturday was met with ‘let me look at the tape’ which is what he says on game days as well, and to be fair, is not completely unreasonable.

    However, on Mondays the press rarely follows up by asking ‘so you looked at the tape, can you now answer my question about ____ ?’

    I don’t expect Pete to anoint a starter at QB today but it’s fair that he should be asked about it. Particularly with Lock’s improved performance.

  22. Hawkdawg says:

    For those interested, Cowherd’s recent contribution to fortune telling is that the Hawks will begin the season 1-8, and finish it at 2-15. Their QBs are awful, and so is their offensive line. He thinks Carroll will not be able to “handle” this. So there’s that.

    If he’s right, the draft next year will be particularly fun, at least….

    • Peter says:

      Like cowherd but 3 wins?

      The qb play was pretty dreadful, the run game couldn’t get on the bus for 2/3rds of the season, and the defense was a dog’s dinner for most areas and they still got more wins than that.

      Though…3 wins regardless what Denver does means they can get a top qb so there’s a silver lining.

    • Starhawk29 says:

      Meh, Cowherd’s as biased as they come. Firstly, he’s Russell’s guy, he’s trying to make his boy look good. Secondly, he’s firmly against defensive head coaches, and thinks they are irrelevant. I think that explains the “Pete won’t be able to handle it” schtick. He might be right, the fans might riot, but he’s not going to give an accurate assessment of the situation. He’s got an angle, and set of preconceived notions that are coloring his view on the team.

      His assessment is a talking point for his theories on the way the NFL works, simple as that. He’s not particularly good at predicting records though, so I don’t take much stock.

      • lil’stink says:

        Another point about Cowherd that doesn’t get brought up enough – he’s a USC fanboy. He’s had an axe to grind with PC ever since he left USC.

        Cowherd has zero objectivity when it comes to the Seahawks and his opinions should carry no weight.

      • Peter says:

        Tbf the defensive headcoaches have had a hard go of it for a little while now.

  23. Thomas says:

    Cowherd is a Wilson friend. He’s going to knock PC a lot.

    I think the current roster is better than the one PC inherited from Holmgren (with a notable exception at QB).

    6 wins with as many as 10 and as few as 3. Wide I know, but 6 if I had to pick.

    • Peter says:

      6 wins feels right on the money. More consistent run game. Hopefully a defense that brings more pressure but a terrible qb room.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I would also go with 6-7

      • Ashish says:

        with 6-7 win will be in top 5 pick?

        • CHaquesFan says:

          doubt it, the Seahawks’ 7-10 2021 campaign would have got them pick #10, the whole league would all need to be mediocre for a 6 or 7 win campaign to be top 5.

          In 2021, 6 teams had 5 or less wins, 7 had 6 or less, and 11 had 7 or less

  24. Romeo A57 says:

    I don’t care how may wins Cowheed is guessing for the Seahawks as he has shown his bias for RW and against PC. I have the same biases and am betting on 5 wins for the Seahawks:)

    I am more interested in the report he had that Jimmy G gets to pick his next team and the betting odds have Seattle as the favorite.

  25. Peter says:

    If Jimmy g gets to pick his team for real that becomes a pretty interesting story.