Why the Seahawks need their Matt LaFleur

October 29th, 2021 | Written by Rob Staton

Matt LaFleur is 33-7 in his first 40 games, setting a NFL record

The parallels between the Seahawks and Packers are striking.

Mike McCarthy was the Head Coach in Green Bay for 12 years. He won a Super Bowl in 2010 and could’ve won more.

The one person who could relate to Pete Carroll after the Super Bowl loss in 2014 was probably McCarthy. He likely relives that NFC Championship game as much as Carroll does the ill-fated interception on the goal-line.

McCarthy’s overall record with the Packers was 125-77-2. He deserves to be recognised as a success story.

Yet by the end of his tenure things had clearly gone stale.

His long-tenured defensive coordinator, Dom Capers, had become a figure of fun. He was pushing 70 and the game seemed to pass his schemes by as Green Bay struggled to combat the suddenly popular read-option.

In 2017 Aaron Rodgers missed nine games through injury as things began to unravel.

In McCarthy’s final season they toiled to a 4-7-1 record before he was fired.

Change was needed. It was simply time.

The Packers did the trendy thing and appointed a Sean McVay protégé who had detached himself from the Rams to take a gig as the Titans offensive coordinator. He suitably impressed and Matt LaFleur was the man tasked with modernising the Green Bay offense.

The GM set about fixing a defense that had struggled badly to rush the passer. They added Za’Darius and Preston Smith in free agency. They also wisely spent high draft picks on Elgton Jenkins and Josh Myers and prioritised keeping star left tackle David Bakhtiari.

In LaFleur’s first season they went 13-3 and made the NFC Championship game. They repeated the act in 2020. Now they’ve started 7-1.

His 33-7 record is the best through 40 games of any coach in Super Bowl era.

Rodgers won MVP last season and is in the running to do so again in 2021. The team is a major contender in the NFC for the third straight year.

I’ve read so much about the Seahawks needing to blow everything up. They’ll need three years to sort this out. They should trade Russell Wilson.

There is zero evidence for this.

The Seahawks simply need to take a page out of Green Bay’s book.

Back to those parallels. This is Carroll’s 12th season in Seattle, putting him in the McCarthy range. He has a similar record (114-68-1).

Wilson is enduring an injury-hit season as Rodgers did and the regular season record is suffering. For Dom Capers, see Ken Norton Jr (or even Carroll himself).

As with McCarthy’s Packers, Carroll’s Seahawks have gone stale.

They need to find their LaFleur.

Then they need to make a similar commitment to the trenches and make a splash there. If that means shifting resources from other positions, so be it.

They need to modernise their schemes and overall game-planning and get with the times.

If they do all of this, why can’t they compete again quickly in the same way the Packers did? They went from 6-9-1 to 13-3 in one off-season. They’ve been to two NFC Championship games. Their quarterback is the MVP.

This is what Wilson wants for Seattle.

Much has been made of his head being turned by Tom Brady’s run to another Championship. It might be time for his people to start talking to their media buddies about Seattle emulating the Packers. It’s an achievable aim for this franchise and it’ll get him to where he wants to go.

There is, of course, one thing the Seahawks need to do differently. Having put in place so many positive moves to return to contention — the Packers GM Brian Gutekunst pulled off the most petty, little-man syndrome move imaginable.

Just as things were clicking — and with Rodgers practically pleading for the team to draft help at receiver — Gutekunst decided to show who’s boss by drafting a prospective replacement quarterback instead.

That, in turn, provoked the drama we witnessed all year with Rodgers threatening to leave or retire. And after all that, it’s pretty clear Green Bay’s current status as contender is directly tied to the genius playing quarterback.

It was a truly ridiculous powerplay by the GM when everyone knows Rodgers is king in Wisconsin. Win a ring with him and take the plaudits, don’t start an unnecessary civil war.

Meanwhile, Jordan Love is nearly half-way through his rookie deal. So they’re not even likely to benefit financially for very long if/when he becomes the starter. And did his talent even warrant the pick?

The Seahawks should avoid that at all costs and mimic everything else.

Get a Head Coach who can build an offense that is progressive, fresh and designed to make the most of the star quarterback and your collection of weapons. Let’s see some new ideas on defense too. Invest in the trenches.

You can do this in one off-season, even without a first round pick. The road back to the top doesn’t need to be a long, slow process.

Emulate the Packers.

The Seahawks need to go and get their Matt LaFleur.

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292 Responses to “Why the Seahawks need their Matt LaFleur”

  1. cha says:

    Last night was a master class in coaching – putting your battered and bruised team in a position to win the game.

    Green Bay was missing their top 3 wide receivers.

    Their franchise Left Tackle.

    Their starting center.

    Their two starting corners.

    And they went on the road in a short week and beat the last undefeated team in the NFL.

    They realized that pass protection was going to be an issue. So they ran 34 times for 151 yards.

    They simplified their passing game to fit the relative inexperience they had in the receiver corps.

    https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/player/season/aaron-rodgers/ROD339293/2021/8/pass

    And their defense did enough to avoid letting Kyler Murray completely take over the game.

    That win was completely on LaFluer and his staff. When was the last time we could say that about the Seahawks?

    • Big Mike says:

      🤔

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      I got nothin’

      • cha says:

        Waldron and PC explained only targeting DK one time in the first 3 quarters Monday night as “because the weather” and “the Saints have a good defense and we didn’t want them to intercept us” was insulting.

        They’re telling on themselves that they are completely incapable of any kind of adjusting.

        • JJ says:

          Is Waldron incapable of adjusting or is he being mandated to have the game plan we have been seeing?

        • Ashish says:

          Throwing ball to DK could have been intercept okay??? But i can keep running 3 times and get -2 yards which will win the game? Give me a break

  2. Omar says:

    I think we can all agree that Jodi is the limiting factor to all this. I just don’t see her leading any transitions of that magnitude.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Well she and the ownership structure in total — are yet to show what kind of owners they are.

      Green Bay’s ownership structure isn’t exactly well-oiled but they pulled it off.

  3. Tomas says:

    Concur with every point.

  4. Hawkdawg says:

    At the height of his powers or otherwise, Pete has never been a “adjust on the fly,” gameday coach. Just isn’t.

    How far was Rogers into his rookie contract before he took over from Favre?

    • GoHawks5151 says:

      Seattle was pretty good at making halftime adjustments in the good old days

      • Chris says:

        Were they better at making adjustments or did they just perform better after the half with the same schemes on both sides of the ball?

        • Robert M says:

          2nd half of NFC championship versus 49ers, the o-line switched from zone blocking to power, and added the jumbo TE due to 49ers line playing off the line to control gaps. Resulted in quick TD to open the half. They really were capable of adjusting.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Rookie contracts were different under the old CBA. The value wasn’t as strong (and the contracts not as big)

  5. Big Mike says:

    Cowherd waxed philosophical about how Green Bay needs to bring Rodgers in and apologize for drafting Jordan Love, admit they were wrong and extend him and just trade Love. Said Aaron is still like 6 years younger than Brady and has plenty of gas left in the tank and that he and LeFleur have amazing chemistry and so on. Cowherd’s absolutely right. You don’t drive a top 5 or at least top 10 all-time QB out of town. And for all you that claimed Geno was gonna show that Russ is overrated, you don’t drive a future HOF QB out of town either.

    • Brik says:

      I’m not sure anything has been proven. I joked about Geno winning because I’m a Hawks fan who wants to win. Never thought Geno was better, but I was hoping he was serviceable. Fact of the matter is he hasn’t even been serviceable since his first 2 drives against the Rams. If he made 1 more big play then each game would have been different. We were losing before RW got injured and it’s not like they’re getting crushed without him.

      That’s why I believe Kellen Mond would have made all the difference. Some would prefer Davis Mills, and that would work too. Geno has been a bottom 3 QB so far. This is another error by PC and JS by not having a true backup plan at QB. I’m not sure why they need to protect RWs feelings by having a crappy backup plan who would never push him for a starting job. RW thrived in his rookie season when he was fighting for playing time. Not sure why a little kick with a late 2nd round pick would make him give up on Seattle. Could’ve spent money on a real weapon in free agency or make a trade if you wanted that slot WR.

  6. GaiusMarius says:

    I think Green Bay is a good model and not out of the question.

    However, we do have some baggage. Start with limited draft capital next year due to the Adams trade. Then go on to having $$$ allocated in the wrong places. That can take time to get right, more than a season, even with aggressive action.

    Does it mean it can’t happen in a single season and see us flying high like Green Bay has been?
    No.

    I hesitate on getting too eager or too dour because there are so many unknowns right now…

    – Ownership – We just don’t know if they will be proactive or not.
    – Carroll and Schneider – Both gone? One gone? To increase the chances of pulling off a Green Bay I’d feel better if both go.
    – Who are the replacements. LaFleur would be great, but can we find and hire such a person?
    – Wilson. The biggest unknown. If Wilson is done in Seattle and no change, no offer will convince him not to try his hand elsewhere (like Brady did and Watson and Rodgers seemingly still want to do), then comparisons to Green Bay become mute because we’ve lost our franchise QB.

    For me it all starts with Wilson. In our conjecture about the future I would not presume that he will be here or that he will go. I wouldn’t treat it as an absolute any which way. I want him to stay, but most any talk about the future starts with “presuming Wilson does not want to bolt”.

    • BobbyK says:

      Wilson is a legacy guy. He wants to win, but he wants to be a Tony Gwynn, Cal Ripken, Walter Payton type of guy. One team. Wilson will own Seattle if he can stick around and win another with a new generation of Seahawks. He likes that ideal, imo.

  7. Tomas says:

    Will Jodi awaken when the Jaguars carve up the Hawks? I don’t wish for a Hawks loss – it doesn’t guarantee needed action by management – but I have difficulty in identifying any clear area of Hawks superiority vis a vis the Jags. Seattle’s 2 great receivers are neutralized by Carroll’s offensive blindness, and Geno’s limitations. The Jags know how to run AND pass. Two poor defenses, but the Jags are better coached.

  8. BobbyK says:

    I read your headline and immediately disagreed. I read the article and absolutely agree.

    The thing with LaFleur is that he’s a guy who believes in the running game. Like Pete Carroll. Like me.

    But the Packers don’t say they care about the running game and then ignore the guys who make the running game work (OL/RB). The Seahawks pay lip service to the running game, but then try to get by with bums like Fuller/Pocic at Center and try to tap into the fountain of youth for a washed up RG (so they can screw over their young RG by making him switch sides).

    Change is needed. The right hire needs to be made. That’s easier said than done, but it’s true.

    And there’s no reason the Seahawks can’t win the Super Bowl next year, even without a 1st round pick. They need help and they need to hit on a few draft picks to start next year (and make a decent impact) and they need to use their available FA dollars on players the opposite of Mayowa, Pocic, Hollister, BJ Finney, Greg Olsen, Bruce Irvin, Cary Williams, etc. Actually get good players and don’t pay for mediocrity.

    I have a former student who is a pro scout and he says the depth of this draft is unusually good. Granted, the first round will suck compared to most years but there’s actually going to be late round players who would have gone in the mid-rounds in years past (Covid related; less players declaring last year as an example). This is an opportunity for every team, but there’s a chance to go from sucking to getting a bunch of players on rookie contracts too.

  9. Rob Staton says:

    When we were discussing Chris Carson’s stupid workouts during the off-season — and the clown personal trainer with the horrendous reputation he was working with — if you had said to me, ‘what injury will Chris Carson get this season?’

    I would’ve thrown big money at neck, shoulder or back.

    And it’s a neck injury. According to Carroll today, maybe even season ending.

    Why TF did Seattle let him work with that clown?

    I’ve been weight training for six years and even I could see the massive alarm bells going off there. How the hell did a pro-football team not see the same thing?!?!?!?

    • BobbyK says:

      Why WANT a guy who has played almost a decade of football AND gotten injured EVERY year? We know the track record. Chris Carson is an injury waiting to happen. ALL the time. EVERY year. Anyone shocked he might miss the rest of this year? We knew this here. We predicted this here. Yet they still signed him and he’s a $3 million dead cap if he’s not with us next year. How stupid can we get? But pass on a guy who is a proven bell cow in Jonathan Taylor for a guy that absolutely sucks in coverage (though he is good attacking in the run game). But they supposedly want to run the ball. Disclaimer: I thought Taylor would be better between the tackles than he is, but I didn’t realize he’d be so dangerous in space or the passing game either. Regardless, he’s good and better than Brooks. But we knew that here, too.

      • Chris says:

        Plus, I used to have a drinking game where every time Carson subbed himself out after a run or two, I’d drink. I had to stop, both because I was getting blitzed, as well as getting really irritated at him. If he’s that swole, yet has poor conditioning, someone on the coaching staff should have recognized it. And giving him a $10m/2 year contract is really negligent.

        • Rob Staton says:

          I can remember his rookie season, Baldwin yelling at him to get back out there after he subbed himself.

          And he’s done it every year since.

          Good player but a reason why he was a seventh rounder. Injuries and just too much stuff like conditioning, the ridiculous personal trainer etc.

    • Big Mike says:

      Yet another of the many, many questions about this regime.

    • cha says:

      PC sounded ridiculous today.

      “No update, just gotta wait it out.”

      “He’s gotta make a turn to show us he’s feeling better.” (you said he made a “big turn” two weeks ago, Pete)

      “He’s working out hard, but he’s not ready to practice football yet.”

      “He has good motion but it’s uncomfortable for him. Gotta get rid of that.”

    • Dave1401 says:

      Sometimes it feels like you’re the only person asking real questions. The Seattle media has a way too cushy relationship with Pete and the franchise. We talk about the lack of accountability for Pete and blame ownership mostly, but surely the local media deserves blame too? I mean no offense by this, but half the time I am wondering – how is it that a bloke in Rotherham understands the issues plaguing this franchise more than the local journos. I wish you were in the press conferences asking questions. Seattle sports needs real journalists badly!

      • Rob Staton says:

        Thanks

        I suspect part of it is the expectation of journalists over here is different. And I can speak from my own experience.

        • cha says:

          Michael S-D’s twitter timeline commentary on teams and players talking to the media yesterday was not encouraging.

          “Bloggers and fans online have muddied the waters so much that coaches and players are more guarded now and I don’t blame them”

          So is that why only 1 in 8 questions you ask in press conferences is actually good and well-thought out?

          • Rob Staton says:

            Sorry what?

            Is he blaming twitter and bloggers for coaches and players not answering questions how he wants?

            What a load of utter bollocks if so

            • cha says:

              MSD: “Hey Pete, how did you get so good at doing press conferences?”

                • Rob Staton says:

                  Just read the tweets.

                  I’ve been doing this longer than MSD (I’m pushing 40) and I could sit here and complain about SO MUCH that has changed in my time doing this. That’s life. The industry shifts and changes. I remember the journalism world over here long before twitter, when coaches used to ring you daily etc. Those days are gone and it is what is it.

                  I’ve never had to rely on speaking to team sources to do my job. And I’d never dream of moaning about the industry on a public platform because we are so privileged to be able to do this job.

                  But, you know, let’s get rid of YouTube and blogs and podcasts so the beat writers can corner the market and protect their island.

                  Give over.

                  • cha says:

                    I would think the logical response to a shifting landscape like that is “How can I improve? What adjustments do I need to make to be a good source of information?”

                    I honestly think there is so much nonsense out there, is there is a void in good information from the source.

                    One thing someone with direct access can provide, is real thoughtful responses from the actual sources. Someone with that kind of power available to them could be an amazing resource for all those bloggers and twitter heads out there.

                    It would cut a good chunk of speculation out (although not completely out of course).

                    It would actually turn him into a fantastic resource for the community, rather than drown him out as he posits.

                    Somebody posts a bad/dumb theory? Bang, they’re drowned with links to that reporter’s long history of asking good questions on the subject.

                    I think of how you can attack the change, rather than whining about the change.

                  • All I see is 12s says:

                    MSD is the same guy who blocks anyone who challenges or disagrees with him. Of course he gets threatened by anyone with outside opinions

                  • Rob Staton says:

                    I find this to be particularly whiney though.

                    The kind of thing best left said on whatsapp among a couple of work colleagues, rather than posted on Twitter.

                    But then this is the guy who spent time at the end of last season arguing aggressively with some of us that Chris Carson isn’t injury prone. What a hill to die on.

  10. Andrew M says:

    Don’t want to argue your point, the McCarthy and Carroll eras do look like they share some key issues, but the NFC North that Rodgers rules over like Genghis Khan isn’t exactly the murderers row the NFC West has been. In particular there is no Aaron Donald\McVay hydra constantly destroying Packers games. Whoever is the next guy to lead Wilson and the Seahawks, the first thing that should be asked of him (well, second thing after working with Russ) is how he plans to answer the troubling Rams. Watching the Hawks get dominated by that team is ugly, and I’d argue McVay was probably the first coach to make Carroll look his age, and outdated. Beyond that, doesn’t almost every team want the new LaFleur? I am totally behind getting that guy, but what names will\should be thrown around?

    • BobbyK says:

      Actually, Khalil Mack is close to Aaron Donald and he’s come close to wrecking games against Rodgers. But Rodgers has been too good.

      Yes. Everyone wants a LaFleur but LaFleur isn’t LaFleur if he didn’t have a franchise QB. He’s another bum head coach, imo, if you put Geno Smith on the Packers.

      OBTW – this is for the “Russell Wilson makes too much money for the Seahawks to have a competitive roster” crowd… Can you please explain why the Packers are good when they pay Rodgers about the same as Wilson makes? I’m curious.

      • Andrew M says:

        I don’t subscribe to the Wilson Gets Paid Too Much fanzine. The Packers pay Rodgers top money, the Rams are still paying Goff his big contract, and we just saw a Saints team that is still paying off the Drew Brees ledger, without their star receiver, with a borderline backup QB, come in to our house and win. All three teams have money issues and still field competitive teams that actually look like the coaches devised plans and schemes for their best players.

  11. Sea Mode says:

    Well, my “other” football team, FC Barcelona, just lost to newly-promoted Rayo Vallecano, and that was enough to finally send the tactically incompetent manager packing.

    Will the Jags be that for PC…? (unlikely)

    The similarities continue to be striking: PC’s poor personnel decisions, stale scheme, and inadequate gameplans/adjustments propped up by Russ’ at times near miraculous performances. Barça’s managers being dragged to some success by the sheer brilliance of Messi… until they showed him the door… and the true flaws and lack of talent of the team have been exposed. Sound familiar?

    Moral of the story: don’t drive Russ out of town.

    • jeff says:

      Yes, but Barcelona didn’t wait half a decade to fire a guy that wasn’t the answer, despite his resume. And they are going to hire a guy that will lead them both to their iconic roots and the future.

      Seattle failed on replacing Pete expediently, but they have options for replacing him with someone near the quality of Xavi, which is kind of incredible, because I believe Xavi will become the greatest manager in football.

  12. Matthew says:

    I think the Jamal Adam’s trade really is making something like GB situation feel impossible to somebody like myself, a casual hardcore fan, but articles like this really puts things straight. Thanks. I can only hope Pete is savy enough to bow out after what hopefully isn’t a too disastrous season. This RW injury is making things clear, thankfully, surprisedly it seems even to made things clear to Pete. That comment about Wilson’s importance was something from the depths, something I think he’d probably take back if he could. Thanks for your insight, Rob. Cheers.

  13. Sea Mode says:

    Maybe we should try to repeat this on game day and see what happens…

    https://twitter.com/Lakeshow2413/status/1453929968854085632

  14. BoiseSeahawk says:

    Agreed. They also should try and draft Ahmad Gardner (CB) out of Cincinnati.

    • JimQ says:

      A CB having a pretty strong season so far:
      CB-Ja’Quan McMillian, ECU, 5-10/183. Likely a nickel-CB (a position of increased value these days) Certainly a CB to keep an eye on at combine IF he enters the draft, might have enough speed and agility to play an ET type FS?
      2021-in- 8 games so far: 43-tkls, 29-solo, 4-TFL, 4-INT (1 for TD), 13-PBU’s.
      Leads FBS with 17-passes defended, 2.13 PD’s per game. Named one of 12 semifinalists for the 2021 Jim Thorpe Award.

  15. 12th chuck says:

    so maybe this is why more teams don’t have their head coach hire the gm. The gm, cant fire pete, and I am wondering if he could, when would JS have fired PC. Its up to the owner, and she just extended him.

    • Rob Staton says:

      The first one just feels like a total non starter.

      I guess they could trade Duane Brown and piss RW off.

      Trading for Blythe is fine I guess but center needs to be sorted in March or April not now. How’s he going to learn the offense and protections in time?

    • Mick says:

      Eagles won’t give us a LT for a player with no market.

      Duane won’t get us a 4th and while this is our last chance to trade him, we’re better off keeping him this season and letting him go in summer, as I think he wants.

      And Blythe would be better than what we have at C, but Rob is right, we lost the chance to make the move at the right time.

    • Ashish says:

      We think center is a need but according to Pete, Fuller is a great fit.

    • Peter says:

      Anyone else tired of the mythology of schneider as some shrewd negotiator tirelessly turning over every stone? With few exceptions notably Lynch it feels to me Seattle pays a heavy price in trades for “their guy,” and has done a terrible job retaining them after the fact…see: Sheldon Richardson, Jadeveon Clowney going one way and Adams going the opposite way.

      This lionizing of JS trade trading down a zillion times in the draft just to get sad faced press conferences or state ” we were right there in the mix” about FA’s has produced a team that might well lose to JAX tomorrow.

      I like that the writer mentions rebuilding philly not giving up draft picks but fails to note what Rob is way over the curve on: a mediocre trade for a mediocre player mid season isn’t anything for a team in need of a new direction entirely.

    • cha says:

      1. I’d be shocked if they got a bag of used jock straps for Collier at this point.

      2. Let’s show Russ the week before he comes back we don’t care about his health. But hey we’re stacking picks in the 4th round and that is what’s important. This also would go over smashingly in the locker room.

      3. Yes, KC would jump at the chance to weaken their depth for a 7th round pick. They’re sick and tired of Blythe and his massive $990k salary sitting on the bench.

      • Roy Batty says:

        I’m of the mind that, if Pete is considering retirement, he doesn’t trade away any picks. I believe he will only trade little used players for late round picks to help bolster the next regime.

        As Rob has stated many times, Pete wants to be remembered as a man of integrity and devotion to his players and the organization.

    • McZ says:

      1.) No way the Eagles trade a serviceable (68.6 PFF rating) backup LT for a non-entity (45.3 PFF rating) DE
      2.) Makes some sense at this point, to move on from Duane Brown and give Forsythe some reps; really, the season’s over. A fourth rounder for a 37 yr old LT on a downward trajectory is rich.
      3.) Absolutely would go for it, but why didn’t they sign Austin Reiter for nothing three weeks ago?

      The thing is… they won’t do either.
      They are pretty much a 2-5 lame duck HC-GM duo out of office in a couple of weeks time.

      A deal I could see is DK Metcalf to Saints for their first rounder. It’s a buyers market, and at 2-5, we are sellers.

    • jeff says:

      The absolute best trade asset Seattle has is DK, if the idea is to reset around Wilson (which I believe it absolutely should be).

      He is about to get paid and so will lose his roster value and is a flawed player (I think he has made a leap this year but he is nowhere near the finished product that many WRs in this league are but he will command top money). Nonetheless, some team will overpay in draft capital for the right to overpay him APY.

      Rob will have something to say about WR prospects, but good to great receivers have been flying out of the college ranks recently in a trend I believe will continue (superior athletes will continue to be moved to receiving positions because of the state of the game).

      I believe selling high on DK is the single best move they could make.

      • Rob Staton says:

        I’m not in agreement here.

        DK frustrates me in several ways. Mainly the fact he’s never learnt how to make the most of his frame, high-point and box-out defenders to become that almost unstoppable force players like Julio and Mike Evans became.

        Yet I also acknowledge how sensational and rare he is too. You can’t trade away the really good players you have after one rookie contract.

        After all, look what the return from the Frank Clark trade provided.

        Furthermore, this isn’t a good first round in 2022. Just keep DK and pay him. Shift resources from LB/S to improve key positions.

        • McZ says:

          According to OTC, the S we all would like to shift is $26m worth of dead money. Spotrac’s number is $16m, I don’t know which one is right.

          What seems to be fact: the Adams contract will hang on the necks of any future FO like a millstone.

          And really, having a first rounder is all about being in control of the draft. If the Saints would send us their first round selection, somewhere between 20 and 26, I would take it. There will be very capable DL and OL prospects late first, early second round. Having two picks there would allow us to really concentrate on the trenches, while there are some mid-round receivers I really like.

          • Rob Staton says:

            Someone mentioned an option on Jamal Adams’ contract for next year or something, that might be why the two sites differ.

            I cannot fathom the thought process of trading one of your actual high quality players because the Adams contract is a dead weight.

            It’s pretty simple for me. Either make Adams work (appointing a proper DC is key there) or just eat the dead hit and move on. Essentially, just buy a draft pick.

            • cha says:

              Adams’ contract is a rat’s nest. Very strange structure.

              I need to try and make sense of what trading him this offseason entails.

  16. Jason says:

    Typical English shmuck talking out your arse. Listen I understand it rains all the time and English food sucks and your flat, warm beers are the absolutely shits so I understand why you’re a whiny little bitch. Get off Carrol’s ass and stick to commenting on English football your are not qualified to talk about American football.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Look everyone, the village idiot has been given use of the computer today

    • Olyhawksfan says:

      Geography shouldn’t matter. Paying attention and having one’s head out of one’s ass does. Respectfully disagree, contribute, or f**k off.

    • All I see is 12s says:

      Hey Keyboard Conan, we don’t play like that here. Rob is consistently ahead of the curve and his Seahawks analysis is second to none. We don’t post that ‘ish here.

    • Mick says:

      Get a life mate. And btw as someone who lived in Germany in the last 15 years, I would say the beer I had in London was top 3.

      • McZ says:

        My current top 3 of UK beers

        3. Fuller Old Winter Ale
        2. Orkney Brewery Raven Ale
        1. Green King Strong Suffolk Dark Ale

        Drink the last one at 8-10°C to a good rib-eye or fillet steak, and you would never revert back to wine anymore.

        • Palatypus says:

          I am a homebrewer. Fuller’s is a fine beer. I miss Whatney’s Red Barrel. Do they still make it? Also, I once ordered a 55 lbs. block of malt from John Bull.

          • McZ says:

            Currently, I lack the time to brew at home, but this is definitely on my list, when I retire.

            There are a lot of cool, small breweries experimenting with different flavours out there. A week ago, I drank a creamy Stout and thought it tasted chocolatey. Because it was. Interesting times.

            Btw, there is a lager missing. There has to be one. So…

            4. Moon Gazer DewHopper

          • DriveByPoster says:

            I used to live behind one of the breweries where they made that.

    • uptop says:

      Ok jason

    • 12th chuck says:

      Pete Carroll burner account?

    • Kyle R says:

      I’m trying to see things from your point of view, but I just can’t seem to get my head that far up my ass.

    • Peter says:

      I don’t get it. Facebook isn’t down. Shouldn’t this guy be there arguing with his relatives about politics or something?

  17. TJ says:

    According to an article in the Seattle Times this morning, fans are unloading their tickets for tomorrow’s game with tickets selling online for as low as $25. Yes, Jacksonville is one of the league’s worst teams and fans will will likely be treated to a lot of ugly football, but $25? I remember driving to the Kingdome back in the 90’s thirty minutes before kickoff and buying cheap tickets on the street as people were literally trying to get whatever they could for them. Carroll may indeed step away on his own at the end of the season, but if this team’s crappy product starts affecting ticket sales, ownership will notice. If fans start bailing and attendance starts declining, he may not be given the option of coming back…. at least that would be the case if Paul Allen was still in charge. 🙁

  18. JimQ says:

    Now available, after being cut by Raiders = ****C-Rodney Hudson****, An option for Seattle to show RW they are really trying to fix the OL? Hudson would seem like a pretty good fit. Could JS/PC maybe get it done?

    https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/gm-report/shockingly-released-by-raiders-c-rodney-hudson-gives-seahawks-second-chance-to-significantly-address-offensive-line

    • BobbyK says:

      Seahawks have Fuller and Pocic competing at Center. They’re good. They’re set.

      In all seriousness, Hudson does have some history with Jackson as well (though Jackson isn’t exactly a stud anymore).

      • Scot04 says:

        We traded for LG Jackson so we could move Lewis to LG & Jackson back to RG.
        I understood the trade until it was announced Lewis would be moving to LG.
        AZ trades for a real Center.
        It’s not just our roster building, but some of the positional moves for no reason that are so frustrating.
        Change is so obviously needed, I can only hope Rob is proved correct again and PC moves on along with JS.
        Don’t want to see RW go anywhere

    • cha says:

      That article was from March. Hudson got picked up by the Cardinals.

      • JimQ says:

        Note to self, always check article date, sorry guys.

        • Scot04 says:

          No worries, I think we all would have preferred Hudson at Center to start the season.

          • BobbyK says:

            No doubt. Sign a quality Center like Hudson OR trade for a garbage guard, still pay him a lot of money, give up a 5th round pick (cost controllable player for 4 years), and make our 2nd year right guard move to a position he hasn’t played. Makes perfect sense. No wonder we’re not as good as we can be.

  19. Paul Cook says:

    A little below average on the college football schedule and match-ups meter. But some good ones like Michigan vs Michigan State, Georgia vs Florida, Penn State vs Ohio State, and, of course, Washington vs Stanford. I do wonder if Florida or Penn State can really give Georgia or Ohio State a game, however.

    • Big Mike says:

      Wazzu at Az St. and Oregon St. at Cal

      • Paul Cook says:

        The Huskies face Stanford, Oregon, and ASU the next three games. The way they are playing, 0-3 is certainly not off the table. I’m going to learn a lot about the UW and what’ in store for the program the next month or so.

      • GoHawks5151 says:

        Go Beavs!!

    • DriveByPoster says:

      Agree. It was all a bit meh today. Was hoping to watch the two Michigans but couldn’t find the game anywhere (I watch on Youtube). Florida put up a good effort against Alabama earlier in the season, so I thought I’d watch them play Georgia. Quite a good first quarter, but then Georgia got a grip on them & the rest of the game was like watching a dog with a chew toy!

  20. Paul Cook says:

    MSU barely hanging in there against Michigan. Could be an interesting 4th quarter here. A few decent pro prospects in this game from my perspective.

    • icb12 says:

      Kenneth Walker (noted blog fave) made a statement today.
      23 carries, 197 yards, 5 tds.

      I like him just for wiping that smug ass smile off Harbaugh.

  21. STTBM says:

    Great points Rob! You give me hope.

    My fear is our ownership will not figure this out. Change is hard, but necessary

  22. cha says:

    Tanner Muse a practice squad elevation for the game tomorrow.

  23. Paul Cook says:

    Caleb Williams might be the best true freshman QB I’ve ever seen. He’s just putting on a clinic on how to play the QB position. Incredibly precocious talent. Even when he makes mistakes (very rare), he knows why and corrects it. Just wow. What a talent. So fun to watch. Most fun player for me to watch in the country now.

    • GoHawks5151 says:

      Big agree. Most fun to watch since Vick for me. He is one to dream on if we burn it down

      • Paul Cook says:

        He’s so exciting. Just keeps wowing me.

      • BobbyK says:

        Or Tommie Frazier as most fun to watch ever. 🙂

        • Paul Cook says:

          Yeah, those last 5 years of the Tom Osbourne reign were pretty incredible, 60-3 and three national championships. That’s about as perfect of a drop mic for a retiring coach as you can get. And Frazier was a big part of a few of those national titles.

          But Frazier wasn’t a passing QB. I think he only had a completion percentage of over 50% once. Caleb’s a very good runner too, but also is pure TNT as a passing QB as well.

          But no doubt Frazier fit Nebraska’s ground and pound style of football as anybody you could have wanted.

  24. Rob Staton says:

    That Kenneth Walker looks good.

    Wonder which blog’s been talking about him for the last two months…

    • Paul Cook says:

      He looked fantastic. Knows when to bolt, and when to slow up and let holes form. This is the first time I’ve really looked at him play closely.

  25. Paul Cook says:

    Georgia might have the best defense since that Alabama defense like 7-8 years ago. They are nasty.

  26. Jordan says:

    Fantastic read. Agree on all points.

    Moore, Daboll, Roman, Linc Riley…

  27. Paul Cook says:

    Texas and coach Sark drop another winnable game.

  28. Frank says:

    The question isn’t whether you build around Rodgers though, who is the literal perfect prototype QB it’s about whether you build Wilson who is enigmatic. His stats say he’s an elite QB, but when watching him play the lack of field vision or consistency to keep an offense on schedule is maddening. Rodgers elevates his team especially the oline, and watching Wilson play I don’t get the feeling he elevates the teammates around him, or moves the needle as much as is assumed.

    I don’t have any idea why the hell the Hawks didn’t take this opportunity to bring in a Minshew, fine you don’t like rolling the dice on first round QBs there a cheap guy out there who isn’t so risk adverse he can’t get first downs with any regularity. We overvalue not throwing an interception but how much better is a 3 and out the vast majority of the time with an occasional TD bomb mixed in? I can think of plenty of journey men like Minshew or Fitzpatrick who at least give you a chance, and guys like that are rolling around available every year if the situation of searching for a new Franchise QB arrives and don’t have such fragile egos that you have to keep Geno as a backup so the starter feel safe.

    The problems with the offense are not all solved bye removing PC, although at this point totally agree that he’s gone stale as a coach here and the game situation management has always been stuff of nightmares. This was and still is a year of seeing if Wilson is viable in a modern offense, given his own Mcvay disciple.

    Sure you can pay the best QB in the league 40m and still field a competitive team, the question is how many guys are there who can carry that contract, the top five guys and if you see Wilson as one of those I cannot make a compelled argument against what’s proposed in this article. I think it even has a sense of inevitability to go that route at this point, but as someone who sees Wilson as the definition of how stats can be misleading in determining value, and that only the top 5 guys or so in the league can carry there contract while putting Wilson firmly in the mid tier QB group.

    Talking about how the savings of 10 million doesn’t really get you that much, but look at the last couple games of Pete Ball, two games lost bye a total of six points (thanks Meyers) if that’s one big play per game, one pick, or forced fumble, or 40 yard rush, one made field goal, one clean pocket, that’s the difference in the game. The mid teir QB contract is so necessary for the salary cap to function properly, the Hawks are on the wrong side of the Kirk Cousins inflection point at QB and while obviously it isn’t nearly as egregious as the waste of resources given to Addams neither but every million counts.

    • Rob Staton says:

      I thought watching Geno Smith might make people realise how good Russell Wilson is.

      I guess I was wrong

    • Peter says:

      Schroedingers quarterback:

      On the one hand he’s an elite qb based solely on stats, wins, qbr, percentage, and was a near 70% passer with a 10/1 td to int differential this season…

      On the other hand i guess he’s inconsistent and lacks, uhh, vision i suppose.

      I get it. Not hitting 100% completions and negative interceptions does suck. It’s also a bummer that his defensive stat line: sacks, pbu’s, and solo tackles are so low is alarming.

      • Rob Staton says:

        We don’t talk enough about Russell’s lack of kick returns.

        I mean, he’s great and all. But for $35m would it kill him to take punt duties?

        A real leader would.

        • Peter says:

          See. Not a leader. Not a weapon. Basically a JAG. Only good for 10.5 wins per season…how do plan to win the big one with just that many wins. Impossible.

  29. Paul Cook says:

    Washington Huskies offense steamrolling Stanford at halftime 9-3.

    • KD says:

      When your kicker is the MVP of your team……sigh

      • Paul Cook says:

        The Huskies are so boring on offense this year they put me to sleep. I can barely keep my eyes open watching this now 12-10 snooze-fest.

        • KD says:

          Oh, would you look at that. STAN just kicked a FG and is now up 13-12. Lovely, just lovely.

          • Paul Cook says:

            No TD’s in 4 quarters of football and our head coach STILL won’t put in our freshman 5 Star, #1 pro style QB prospect in the game.

            I try not to be hasty, but I think Jimmy Lake our HC needs to go. He’s in over his head.

            • Paul Cook says:

              It looks like Stanford is going to gift us this game tonight. We are so lucky.

            • 206 says:

              Huard?

              • Paul Cook says:

                Yeah, Huard. It’s about next year. We need to get him reps for next year. This year’s pretty much in the tank.

                I still can’t believe that David Shaw and Stanford just gift wrapped and put a bow on this game and gave it to the Huskies. They manage the clock horribly. They become almost totally passive about getting the one first down that will seal the game. And then they shank the punt on 4th down.

                Thank you.

                But the Huskies have now won two games in a row in the most unimpressive way imaginable which, just like the Hawks, are covering up all sorts of warts and shortcomings that need to be addressed.

                • Big Mike says:

                  Cougs finally gonna win the Apple Cup? Since Leach is gone, I’d say they have a pretty decent chance.

                  • Paul Cook says:

                    The Cougs surprised me a bit recently. Beating ASU in Zona and doing so pretty decisively…good on them, especially after losing their HC.

                    Man, the Pac 12 is completely cannibalizing itself. If UW beats the Ducks next week (not likely but possible), then there will be nothing left of itself to eat.

                  • Rob Staton says:

                    The Pac 12 is hot garbage

  30. KD says:

    Ummm….that Caleb Williams is pretty good.

  31. McZ says:

    Watched UVA @ BYU. If we cannot have the Kenneth-Walker-toy, I would prefer Tyler Allgeier.

    That said… really, how can the whole draft media just straight ignore and overlook Brennan Armstrong?
    https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4370775/brennan-armstrong

    Only PFN is slowly coming around.
    And what about Jake Haener? These are two players elevating their teams.

    Meanwhile, the whole draft media hypes Malik Willis into being the #1 WB in this draft, because he has a good QBR vs third class competition.

  32. Rob I have a quick question for you if Pete leaves and coaching staff as well I would like to see Brian Flores as the next defense coordinator I am not sure he might not be the head coach of Miami next year.he might have other Head coaching offers.

  33. Rob Staton says:

    I couldn’t be less excited about today’s game.

    I fear this is going to be the low point of the Carroll era.

    Trevor Lawrence is good. And I think they will score points.

    I think today could be similar to the Tampa Bay game from 2009.

    • Big Mike says:

      I care so little I texted a riding buddy and we’re going for 100 mile ride as it’s going to be 60 degrees ands bright sunshine. Seahawks game? Who cares?

      • Peter says:

        100% with you. For a long long time….think Holmgren era through about 2018. Game day was the thing. Beers with the guys at the local in Seattle and years later i’d make a goofy spread of snacks and get my wife the Sunday edition of the new york times and watch her eyes roll as i fist pumped and “hell yeah’ed” around the house.

        Now….meh….years of these unnecessarily tight games, and completely fast forwarding every time the defense is on the field sick of watching team after team, year after year not stop anyone nor do anything of note….

        60 degrees and sunny here in Oregon. Going to spend the day working on a barn I am building and it sounds awesome compared to this game. Looking forward to Robbie back on the podcast more than this game.

    • bmseattle says:

      I agree.
      It’s just difficult to imagine our own offense scoring more than 10 points, and I think the Jags will be able to get to 20.

    • Ashish says:

      I’m rooting for Jag for better future of hawks

      • Peter says:

        And with the 6th pick of the 2022 draft the NY jets select….

        I hate how that stupid trade can change the fortunes of two teams ala the broncos/ hawks years back.

    • Mick says:

      I just hope we’re gonna see them try something else than run run run punt. Throw it to the TE every second time and if you get picked 5 times, tough luck. Or go for it at 4th and 2 at your own 40. And I’d like to see the young guys play more. With Pete as a coach I start to believe Chase Young and Nick Bosa would get less snaps than Mayowa.

      • bmseattle says:

        Pete is really hoping that Alton Robinson gets more snaps this week.

      • Paul Cook says:

        We may see something a little different from the offense, but it would only be because PC is probably starting to feel desperate. It won’t be because of Shane Waldron. Either Waldron wasn’t the offensive innovator the team was in need of, or he became little more than PC’s stooge after taking the job. Either way, it’s not a good look for him, IMO, and PC has truly become our King Lear.

        I’m so done with PC. The whole Waldron thing was his Waterloo. He’s never going to change. A complete housecleaning of the coaching staff and management team is absolutely necessary now. Nobody gets spared. I sure hope ownership realizes this, and is preparing for big changes just up the road.

      • Rob Staton says:

        I can barely bring myself to watch Geno Smith play again. If he struggles, I want to see Eason in there.

        • Submanjoe says:

          Curious, do you think if they’d kept Mcgough and this was his year 4 all in one system backing up Wilson etc that that’d be more interesting than Geno? I just mention McGough because they drafted him. He wasn’t great this preseason, but he’s bounced around so much. I’ve never understood the Geno Smith as the backup. A late round qb they drafted, I’d be much more curious to see how he developed.

          • cha says:

            The only player worse than Geno this preseason was McGough. They cut him for Sean Mannion. Who they cut for Jake Luton.

            • Submanjoe says:

              I’m aware of all that. My point is Geno isn’t good, he doesn’t offer hope. At least a qb they’ve drafted and developed is more interesting. Maybe Mcgough is crap. Maybe he’d play with more confidence and decisiveness than Geno. Geno has been a journeyman basically his entire career and he lucked in to a dream job as Russell Wilson’s backup. I’m not advocating for McGough, he’s just the only qb they’ve drafted since Wilson. They should be drafting a qb every 3 years or so, for competitions sake, and to have a backup.

  34. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Not sure anything encapsulates the current state of the organization more than the banner notice I just got on my phone from the Seahawks, which reads, and I quote:

    “Momentum Heading Into the Bye” The picks are in for today’s matchup against Jacksonville and several outlets are favoring the home team.”

    Hey did you read that guys?!? The once vaunted, mighty Seahawks, who devoured opponents at home, are now favored by “several outlets” at home against the worst of the NFL. My heart is swelling with pride 🙄

    My god, to the PR folks with the team not realize how utterly pathetic they sound?

  35. cha says:

    Inactive today

    Marquise Blair
    Dakokda Sheply
    Bless Austin
    Stone Forsythe
    Tyler Mabry
    LJ Collier

  36. cha says:

    OK Justin Fields, that was impressive.

  37. Palatypus says:

    What’s up with all the missed kicks today?

  38. Kenny Sloth says:

    Go Hawks 💚💙💚💙

  39. Palatypus says:

    Calvin Ridley is stepping away from football for mental health reasons.

  40. Palatypus says:

    Ty Johnson, that was absolutely incredible!

  41. Mick says:

    Cmon Bears give us some help there.

  42. Palatypus says:

    Jets have just taken the lead against the AFC’s #1 seed with two minutes left. Happy Halloween!

  43. Kyle R says:

    What do you know it’s Ryan Neal making plays again

  44. Mick says:

    Neal wasn’t the one I expected to come with a sack, but I’ll take it.

  45. cha says:

    Yes we’re at the 1. Let’s bring in our slightest, most injury prone running back in and call two plunges.

    Good grief.

    • Kyle R says:

      Hey now if Penny and this offensive line doesn’t scream we are the bullies I don’t know what would!?

  46. Paul Cook says:

    Penny is worthless. And I’m being kind.

  47. Bmseattle says:

    Are quick snaps no longer allowed?

  48. 206 says:

    There’s Pete trying to justify rashad penny again

  49. Mick says:

    Least we scored. But it’s funny how we follow a great play with a stupid plan. Penny is leaving us for sure in offseason.

  50. Blitzy the Clown says:

    A pretty throw by Geno to Lockett to set up the TD.

    That was a decent drive. They didn’t even need the penalty to extend.

    I’d say Pocic is looking better than Fuller early on, but what kind of compliment would that be? Kinda hard to look worse.

  51. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Mayowa getting early snaps instead of Alton Robinson. Can’t wait for the post game presser when Pete wonders aloud why they didn’t play him more.

    • Bmseattle says:

      Apparantly the DL rotation is completely out of his control.

    • Kyle R says:

      Maybe Mayowa is better in coverage over Robinson….I’m sorry I just can’t stop laughing at the fact that, that might be a serious reason….coverage skills of our DEs

      • Mick says:

        I wonder how much of this chaos in assignments comes from blitzing Adams and how much comes from not having KJ Wright.

        • STTBM says:

          It’s from lousy coaching.

        • Blitzy the Clown says:

          Remember when Pete Carroll was lauded as the coach who put players into positions that allowed them to make the most of their unique skillsets?

        • Kyle R says:

          I have no doubt that KJ Wright’s coverage skills are better than that of any of our current LB and probably Adams as well, however, if I was to say the bigger reason it would be scheme. When I’ve noticed the DE in coverage it’s been either in the high flat zone or man on running back or TE running underneath. All areas that a LB or SS should cover if they otherwise weren’t used in a blitz.

  52. Paul Cook says:

    The national sportscasters were just talking about the Hawks lack of targeting DK. They ramble a bit and then the announcer says that they have to find a way to target him.

    Some times there’s nothing but face palm for recourse.

    Throw him the ball.

    Is that so hard to figure out?

  53. STTBM says:

    I live in Montana. CBS has the rights to the Seahawks game, but they are instead running a Post-Game show of the Jets/Bengals, followed by Women’s Rodeo. I am not making this up. The most popular sport in America, yet CBS figures the rating to this Seahawks game will be so poor, they are better off eating the cost and showing Women’s Rodeo.

    I’m all for Women’s Sports on TV, but Rodeo?! Give me a break….this IS a new low for the Carrol Regime….

  54. Mick says:

    Diggs, the actual star of our D.

  55. 206 says:

    BORING

  56. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Give Geno credit he’s making some nice throws today.

  57. Kyle R says:

    DK out jumped and high pointed a ball!!! That’s what I have been wanting for years now!!

  58. Blitzy the Clown says:

    That’s what we’ve been talking about!

    DK

  59. Mick says:

    Perfect drive, and speak of which Geno is at 100%. Hate the penalty though, we should be smarter than that.

  60. cha says:

    That was the most ridiculous Adams move I’ve seen yet.

    “Let me dive over my teammate!”

  61. Tomas says:

    If Robinson can’t return for the Jags the game’s over.

  62. Blitzy the Clown says:

    If Brooks hadn’t assisted on that tackle, Hyde would’ve taken 33 for a ride downfield. It would’ve been embarrassing.

  63. Paul Cook says:

    Jacksonville is pretty bad. Just saying.

  64. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Darrell Taylor with another sack. High effort on that play by him. Sincerely hope he’s ok.

    • Paul Cook says:

      He’s got the tools and moves to be a consistent quality pass rusher. His health seems to be the only thing holding him back.

  65. Palatypus says:

    Tom Brady testing MarshonLattimore deep early and often. Who would have thought of that?

  66. Palatypus says:

    Urban Meyer apparently does not understand the concept of the 12th man.

  67. Kyle R says:

    Biggest differences I’ve noticed this week as compared to last week:

    1. Pocic is a more polished turd compared to Fuller
    2. The have opened up the offense more and aren’t playing as conservative
    3. The level of talent on the Jax D vs New Orleans is Night and Day

    • Palatypus says:

      Mythbusters proved you can polish a turd,

      • Kyle R says:

        Well if I had my way we would have gone Center in the draft and not had to start any turd at Center this year! And I should add to point 3. Coaching, because holy shit Jax can’t coach worth a damn or even get the right number of people on the field.

    • FillyP says:

      At this point, Carroll has nothing to lose by adjusting his offensive philosophy and trying to do the thing that we actually set out to do at the start of this season. Would love to see it on the defensive side too and give Robinson/Brown/Neal more opportunities to contribute and develop.

  68. Peter says:

    Happy to see geno and team looking pretty sharp today.

  69. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Jameis Winston just went down with a potentially serious knee injury.

  70. cha says:

    https://twitter.com/Seahawks/status/1454915231226814467

    All I’m seeing is the hug of the goal post.

    How is that taunting?

    • Palatypus says:

      Imagine if he had used it as a punching bag like Lofa Tatupu in Philly.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Right over handsomely paid Shaq Griffin, too…

      • cha says:

        I remember when Shaq got interviewed by NFLN with the intro of him going into free agency coming off a ‘career high in interceptions’

        I had to look it up. He had 3.

        He’s not a guy who plays the ball.

  71. 206 says:

    Ahhh, good memories

  72. Sea Mode says:

    LOL, I didn’t think it could get much worse than Seattle, but Jax has been a joke today.

  73. cha says:

    Jacksonville is doing everything in their power to hand the game to the Seahawks.

  74. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Are they having their typical 2nd half momentum loss early today?

  75. Paul Cook says:

    Bengals lose to Jets. On any given Sunday…

  76. Kyle R says:

    I predict the offensive plan going forward with Pete is going to be ultra conservative in the second half with a 17 point lead and the defensive he thinks he has.

  77. Sea Mode says:

    Man, I guess it’s a move up the ladder, but Nate Burleson looks and sounds out of place there will all the oldies on CBS. Liked him a lot more on GMFB.

  78. OP_Chillin says:

    Ugh Pocic on that pass pro rep :/

  79. cha says:

    Geno, please don’t turn back into a pumpkin.

    That was a deplorable series.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Think he’s been watching RW try that spin out scramble a bit too much…

    • OP_Chillin says:

      Tbf the best move for him was probably to collapse and take the snap. The spin move was not a great idea, cost him a few yards + chance for fumble. Most of that was on Pocic (the 3rd down)

  80. Bmseattle says:

    I wonder what the average yardage lost on sacks for Geno is.
    He constantly spins and runs backwards and loses more yardage than he should.

  81. cha says:

    How was that not a false start on the Jacksonville RT?

    2nd game in a row a critical fourth down and they false start and it’s not called.

  82. Bmseattle says:

    The Jags right tackle jumps early almost every pass attempt for them.
    I guess if he does it every time tje refs just allow it?

  83. Troy says:

    I can’t even be happy about this performance cause Jacksonville is just beating themselves at this point

  84. cha says:

    Oh Geno.

    • OP_Chillin says:

      Agreed, but then he comes back and throws dimes. That flea flicker to Lockett was just a perfect throw

  85. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Love the play call

  86. Sea Mode says:

    Don’t make it complicated: just toss it up to DK again…

  87. Blitzy the Clown says:

    DK! My man!

  88. Kyle R says:

    I’m impressed Pete isn’t getting in the way and telling them to go conservative and take the foot off the pedal.

    • Bmseattle says:

      He wants to blow out Urban

    • cha says:

      It’s because Jacksonville has been so poor on offense, and trying to convert fourth downs instead of taking their medicine.

      If they’d have been remotely competitive, Pete would be plunging the RBs and punting to protect the lead.

  89. Sea Mode says:

    Some real blowout games today.

  90. Mick says:

    I really hope this won’t make people start talking again about how we’re better off without Russ and how Geno is a better fit for our O.

    • cha says:

      I’m more worried about “The Seahawks have righted the ship!” talk.

      • Blitzy the Clown says:

        I’m most worried about a regression in our ‘Overton Window’ for this team.

      • Peter says:

        I’m worried that wilson comes back against green bay and it’s a tough day at tge office. Then this when against a horrible jags team will create a fake smith is better than wilson dialog.

      • Mick says:

        I’ve watched a bit of the Steelers-Browns earlier and I was telling myself: how could we not beat Pittsburgh, even without Wilson? Jaguars are a bad joke, almost no first downs and penalty after penalty, we’d have to close the business if we didn’t beat them. But this doesn’t tell us anything about where our ship is. We’ll see against AZ.

      • Kyle R says:

        Cha this is what I’m worried about as well. I was actually hoping it would be close game but for the betterment of the future Seattle lose.

  91. Paul Cook says:

    Jacksonville sucks donkey balls, but our offense still playing very effectively. Geno is having a very good game. The play book is being better utilized.

    Good job Hawks.

    • Peter says:

      Geno is having a very good game but i think this is a bit of a mirage….the run game is non existent and lockett is doing lockett things. As i type yhis he’s only connected to three recievers…again admirably so….but jax is a flaming bag of poo today

    • Palatypus says:

      I thought only the Broncos could suck donkey balls.

  92. pdway says:

    well..at least we know we’re not a bottom level team. gives hope there is still enough foundation to bounce back more quickly than a full-on start from scratch.

    also, have to say – pretty underwhelmed by Lawrence. I know, it’s early and all, not passing any final judgments, but expected more flashes.

  93. OP_Chillin says:

    Just packing it up now?

  94. Can’t Penny just…not suit up? Just choose not to waste everyone’s time.

  95. cha says:

    ALTON ROBINSON SIGHTING

  96. Kyle R says:

    Hey look a DE in zone coverage!

  97. Mick says:

    Would be pretty cool if we keep them to no TDs.

  98. Bmseattle says:

    Even when our defense dominates, Adams is making no plays of note.

  99. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Another nice tackle by Tre Brown.

  100. pdway says:

    small sample size still… but if we’re looking for silver linings, have to say I’ve liked everything i’ve seen from Tre Brown this year.

  101. Bmseattle says:

    An effective blitz by a safety not named Adam’s?
    Impossible!

  102. Blitzy the Clown says:

    So we’re not even blitzing “the baddest in the nation” when we do blitz our safeties? Does that mean Neal is better at rushing the QB than Adams?

    Btw nice play by Neal.

  103. Mick says:

    What a comeback by the Bucs.

  104. Trevor says:

    Tre Brown looks like he has the chance to be a legit starting CB in the NFL. I always thought he was destined to be a Nickel CB given his size but he has shown more than that so far at least IMO. Lookeks better after 3 weeks than a recently released CB did after 3 years.

  105. Blitzy the Clown says:

    C’mon man don’t give up the shutout. Play it hard to the end defense.

  106. Blitzy the Clown says:

    What a hit by Diggs to break up the catch!

  107. Hawks4life says:

    A chance to shut them out and adams is jogging on the 4th down play…. he legit made 1 decent tackle all game long

  108. Mick says:

    Diggs is the best in our secondary. Amadi is making plays, Neal is blitzing the QB. Why did we pay Adams so much?

  109. Blitzy the Clown says:

    I love it!

  110. Sea Mode says:

    lololol Jax

  111. cha says:

    Come on, Homer! Come on, Homer! Pretend this is baseball and hit us a homer!

  112. Bmseattle says:

    Adam nails Tre Brown!

  113. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Are effin kidding me? How many times can a player hit his own teammates in a season? What’s the DB record for that?

  114. […] Now, as noted in Friday’s piece, it’s time to get Seattle’s answer to Matt LaFleur. […]

  115. Mick says:

    I’m happy we won this. But it’s a game that doesn’t matter. Thanks to Geno for the game tonight, but I’m looking forward to have Wilson back.