Post combine mock draft: 24th February

February 24th, 2015 | Written by Rob Staton

After running a 4.44 at 6-6, 238lbs — Darren Waller could be on his way to Seattle

For further thoughts on the Seahawks pick, scroll to the bottom of the piece. This includes opinions on what Seattle might do in rounds 2-4.

#1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Jameis Winston (QB, Florida State)
Winston stole the show at the combine. He spent the entire weekend playing the role of a superstar quarterback. He was confident, comfortable and in control. On the field he performed well. This just feels like it’s going to happen.

#2 Tennessee Titans — Marcus Mariota (QB, Oregon)
The Titans need a quarterback. They can stick with Zach Mettenberger if they want and be right back here next season. Leonard Williams is a nice option but this is a team that needs a focal point and a face of the franchise.

#3 Jacksonville Jaguars — Leonard Williams (DE, USC)
He moved so well for a 300lbs-er. The Richard Seymour comparisons are fair. He can play end for the most part and kick inside for the nickel packages. It’s another building block for the slow moving rebuild in Jacksonville.

#4 Oakland Raiders — Kevin White (WR, West Virginia)
He competes for the ball in the air like Larry Fitzgerald and then runs a 4.35. He suffers with confidence issues and that needs to be looked into. Amari Cooper is a more natural receiver but White doesn’t drop passes like Cooper. He has the size of a #1 receiver.

#5 Washington Redskins — Dante Fowler Jr (DE, Florida)
You can line him up anywhere — outside backer, defensive end, rushing from the inside. He’s a heartbeat player who just makes plays. Incredible talent with a great motor. He can make the Pro Bowl as a rookie. The Skins are likely to lose Brian Orakpo.

#6 New York Jets — Vic Beasley (DE, Clemson)
What a performance at the combine. People questioned his weight — he turns up at 246lbs. People questioned his strength — he benches 35 reps (more than any other defensive lineman). How will he run with the extra size? A 4.53 — better than any other D-end or linebacker. Beasley was a sack machine in college too.

#7 Chicago Bears — Randy Gregory (OLB, Nebraska)
San Francisco rebuilt their defense with an outside linebacker in Aldon Smith with the #7 pick. Vic Fangio might suggest a similar path for the Bears as they transition to a 3-4. Gregory is lighter than Smith, but they share similar length and potential entering the league.

#8 Atlanta Falcons — Shane Ray (DE, Missouri)
If this was a question of length, Ray’s 33 1/8 inch arms should ease any concerns. He’s lean enough to play the LEO and even though he didn’t run at the combine due to injury — expect a big pro-day and eventually a top-ten grade.

#9 New York Giants — Danny Shelton (DT, New York Giants)
They have Johnathan Hankins but he’s not at Shelton’s level. He can rush the passer and that’s what the Giants need — a greater interior presence. They have to focus on rebuilding their defensive line to get back into contention.

#10 St. Louis Rams — Brandon Scherff (T, Iowa)
Scherff ran well at the combine even though he picked up a hamstring injury in the first drill. He was more athletic than I expected. The Rams will likely have their pick of the offensive linemen here and Scherff seems like a Jeff Fisher type player. He could play guard or tackle.

#11 Minnesota Vikings — Amari Cooper (WR, Alabama)
This would be a bargain for the Vikes. Teddy Bridgewater needs a weapon to grow with. Cooper is a sparky, athletic playmaker with a great attitude. He lacks size but is the most natural receiver to enter the league since A.J. Green.

#12 Cleveland Browns — Bud Dupree (OLB, Kentucky)
They could lose Jabaal Sheard in free agency and he was an ill-fit in the 3-4 anyway. Dupree would step in and provide a jolt to the front seven. He’s passionate about the game and a playmaker. He’ll be a better edge rusher playing in space. They need a solid pick here after last years disaster.

#13 New Orleans Saints — Trae Waynes (CB, Michigan State)
A lack of true length keeps him out of the top ten, but he’s still a physical 4.31 runner with a great attitude. The Saints could have holes all over their roster — they’re in a nightmarish cap situation.

#14 Miami Dolphins — Landon Collins (S, Alabama)
They have needs at safety, defensive tackle, the offensive line and potentially receiver. Collins is a safe pick for them and an instant starter. They won’t find a solution at this position later in the draft.

#15 San Francisco 49ers — DeVante Parker (WR, Louisville)
Long receiver with good hands. Kind of a surly player who lacks the charisma of a #1 receiver, if not the skills. The 49ers are going to move on from Michael Crabtree and Colin Kaepernick needs a long term go-to target.

#16 Houston Texans — Eddie Goldman (DT, Florida State)
Terrific prospect. Didn’t workout at the combine but wowed the media with an engaging press conference. Former 5-star recruit. Excellent in the run game but also a capable pass rusher. Probably FSU’s best player in 2014. Has nose tackle size.

#17 San Diego Chargers — D.J. Humphries (T, Florida)
They can’t seem to make their mind up on whether D.J. Fluker’s a guard or a tackle. Stick him at guard and make Humphries the long term answer on the blindside. They’ll win or lose on the arm of Phillip Rivers. He has the weapons, he also needs a good offensive line.

#18 Kansas City Chiefs — Jaelen Strong (WR, Arizona State)
Strong enjoyed a surprisingly athletic combine, running a 4.44 and posting a 42-inch vertical. He struggled to separate in college but showed he has explosive upside in Indianapolis. He probably needs some route-refinement but the Chiefs are desperate for playmakers at receiver.

#19 Cleveland Browns — T.J. Clemmings (T, Pittsburgh)
Another safe pick in the sense that Clemmings is a big-time character guy. He struggled at the Senior Bowl but he ticks every box — length, foot speed, aggressive nature. He can be a perfect bookend for Joe Thomas.

#20 Philadelphia Eagles — Byron Jones (CB, Connecticut)
The headline maker at the combine for destroying the broad jump record (12’3″) and posting a 44.5 inch vertical — Jones is making a case to go in round one. Adding to his cause — the total lack of depth at the position. He has a great shot to go in round one.

#21 Cincinnati — Malcom Brown (DT, Texas)
Will Geno Atkins ever be the same again? Either way, Brown is a dynamic interior rusher who lives in the backfield. He also has great size to play the run. Line him up alongside Atkins and go to work. That’ll be tough to stop.

#22 Pittsburgh Steelers — Jalen Collins (CB, LSU)
He may be usurped by Byron Jones as the #2 corner, but Jalen Collins is still a terrific player with a huge upside. He has the length, size and speed to be a star at the next level. He’d be a bargain for the Steelers at this point.

#23 Detroit Lions — La’el Collins (T, LSU)
If they lose Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley, defensive tackle becomes a crucial need. They seem determined to keep Suh. If they go in a different direction here, Collins makes sense at tackle or guard. For me he’s better off moving inside. He looked superb at the combine and Senior Bowl.

#24 Arizona Cardinals — Eli Harold (DE, Virginia)
Harold did a great job at the combine — but was it good enough to overtake some of the bigger names in this class? His passion for the game, attitude, speed and length are a great fit in Arizona. This makes a ton of sense.

#25 Carolina Panthers — Andrus Peat (T, Stanford)
He’s a really odd shape. Small head, enormous lower body. He didn’t look like a natural left tackle. On the tape though — that’s exactly what he is. Someone will take a chance but it won’t be as early as I first thought. He didn’t stand out at the combine.

#26 Baltimore Ravens — Melvin Gordon (RB, Wisconsin)
Outstanding player with an insane work ethic. Runs like a gazelle. Didn’t have the monster workout we expected and therefore might last into the 20’s. A smart team will take him off the board and the Ravens always find value.

#27 Dallas Cowboys — Todd Gurley (RB, Georgia)
They could go after Adrian Peterson and that would change things here. If not, Gurley could be the long term replacement for Demarco Murray. We’re unlikely to see him in 2015, but a patient team will be rewarded handsomely. The Cowboys have made the run game a priority.

#28 Denver Broncos — Ereck Flowers (T, Miami)
He had a hit and miss combine but look at the tape. He puts people on their back, he’ll drive linemen off the ball in the run game and he can kick-slide effectively. Whether he lines up at tackle or guard, he’s a better football player than combine star.

#29 Indianapolis Colts — Jordan Phillips (DT, Oklahoma)
Back problems could be a concern. He didn’t put in a Dontari Poe-style performance at the combine. The Colts released Ricky-Jean Francois yesterday and need an anchor for a defense that gets pushed around too easily in key games.

#30 Green Bay Packers — Arik Armstead (DE, Oregon)
The Packers haven’t done such a good job in the first round in recent years. Armstead is big and has major potential — but he’ll need some coaching. Whoever drafts him will be trying to shape him into the next Calais Campbell.

#31 Seattle Seahawks — Cameron Erving (G/C, Florida State)
Converted defensive lineman who’s played left tackle and center. His days at tackle are over but he can start quickly at guard and be the backup center. Very intelligent/well spoken. Plays with an edge. Had a good combine with a 9’4″ broad jump, a 30.5 inch vertical and a 5.15 forty. Managed 30 reps on the bench press.

#32 New England Patriots — Jake Fisher (T, Oregon)
Bill Belichick seems to like these tall, tight end-converts. Fisher might end up at guard like Kyle Long, or he could play right tackle. One of the early combine stars doing every test well. Needs to keep adding strength.

Explaining the pick at #31

Usually we see a premium on offensive linemen in the draft but this class is loaded with defensive talent. Instead of seeing the usual cluster of 3-4 offensive tackles going in the top-15, we could see a number of pass rushers and receivers taking in their place.

When we get to picks #17 (San Diego) and #19 (Cleveland) we could start to see the domino’s fall. The big question is — how quickly do the offensive lineman come off the board when the rush begins? We could see a bunch of o-liners go very quickly. Or we could see a bit of a sweet spot between picks 25-32. In this projection the Seahawks catch the tail end of the rush.

I’m anticipating Byron Maxwell and James Carpenter will depart in free agency, creating holes at corner and guard. They already have a need for a dynamic pass catching target at receiver or tight end. I suspect we could see Julius Thomas and Jordan Cameron targeted in the open market.

Right now I’m thinking they’ll strongly consider the offensive line and receiver with their first two picks, before adding depth on the defensive line and eventually bringing in a corner or two. That just appears to be where the value is this year.

In this projection the Seahawks could move down into the late 30’s or early 40’s and select the best receiver on their board, before possibly targeting a player like Ty Sambrailo in round two. That would also make some sense.

Instead I have them taking Cameron Erving because I think the value dictates this to be a good range to take an offensive lineman. I also believe that once the top four receivers are off the board, there really isn’t much between the #5 receiver and the #10 receiver in a deep class. If you can get a similar quality player at #63 compared to #31 — why would you fight the board?

Erving’s days at tackle are in the past. He struggled manning the blindside in 2014 before an inspired switch to center. He looked very comfortable — finishing blocks in the run game, controlling the point of attack and doing a good job nullifying the interior rush. He has the potential to play any of the three interior spots. He can start at left guard replacing Carpenter and act as the main backup to Max Unger at center.

It’s hard to work out exactly what Tom Cable, John Schneider and Pete Carroll look for in a lineman. James Carpenter provided massive size and length plus proven run-game production at Alabama. John Moffitt also had reasonable length and size. Ditto for Justin Britt. None of the trio tested particularly well at the combine.

Their most athletic starting offensive lineman is J.R. Sweezy — a converted defensive lineman. He ran a 4.9 in the forty and posted a 38 inch vertical. He was a later round project who came good. They also went after a similar project in Garrett Scott in round six last year.

Many will pin Jake Fisher to the Seahawks because of his outstanding combine workout. It makes sense — a converted tight end with major athletic upside. He might have a future at tackle, a potential need if they don’t re-sign Russell Okung. But as we’ve seen with the Carpenter, Moffitt and Britt picks — major athletic potential is not something they’ve necessarily coveted in an offensive lineman in the early rounds. Instead they’ve looked for traits — such as Carpenter’s run blocking in college, Britt’s attitude and wrestling background or Moffitt’s mauler mentality.

Erving is somewhere between Fisher and the trio mentioned above. He’s 6-5 and 314lbs with 34 1/8 inch arms. He’s not as big or as long as Carpenter, but it’s close. He ran a 5.15 with a 1.84 split. He managed a 30.5 inch vertical and a 9’4″ broad jump. The only three offensive linemen to record a superior broad jump were Terry Poole, Laurence Gibson and Mark Glowinski (all posted a 9’5″). He’s not as athletic as Fisher, but he’s certainly no slouch.

What traits does he have that could specifically appeal to the Seahawks? Versatility to play multiple spots including center, fantastic character (incredibly well spoken and trusted by the FSU coaches) and he plays with an edge. Like Sweezy, he’s also a converted defensive lineman.

A final point on Erving vs Fisher. Stability and consistency is as important as anything for an offensive line. Replacing Carpenter like-for-like isn’t a sea-change in personnel. Moving Britt inside and asking him to learn a new position while starting yet another rookie at right tackle is much more disruptive. Unless you intend to switch Fisher to guard.

Regular visitors to the blog will know I’ve spent many posts arguing against the need to invest further high picks in the offensive line. It’s received more attention in the draft than any other position group on the roster. We could easily see a situation where Seattle lets Cable pick a couple of guys on day three to compete for a start. Let’s not forget, they were prepared to start Sweezy in the first game of his rookie season (a 7th round recent defensive convert). On this occasion I just believe the value matches need to warrant another high pick.

Providing they go O-line in the first frame, in round two I can imagine the Seahawks drafting a playmaking, physical receiver with speed. William & Mary’s Tre McBride makes a lot of sense at #63, especially as he offers some kick return value.

Want a wildcard alternative? Georgia Tech’s Darren Waller ran an official 4.46 which seems to have gone relatively unnoticed. We know the Seahawks admire Vincent Jackson. Waller and V-Jax are virtually identical players ten years apart:

Vincent Jackson (2005 draft)
6-5
240lbs
4.44 forty
39 inch vertical
32 inch arms
9 5/8 inch hands

Darren Waller (2015 draft)
6-6
238lbs
4.46 forty
38 inch vertical
33 1/4 inch arms
9 inch hands

Jackson was the #61 pick in 2005. Is Waller going to be the #63 pick in 2015? It’s probably too early. But if we see a second round rush on the position, I don’t see any reason why he won’t see a higher than expected selection. And if you’re worried about the hand size — a quick reminder that Calvin Johnson has 9 1/4 inch hands. I’ve seen no evidence on tape that Waller has an issue with drops.

Stanford’s Henry Anderson has the length and size (6-6, 294lbs, 33 1/2 inch arms) plus the athleticism (5.03 forty with a 1.64 split) to potentially offer a cheaper alternative to Tony McDaniel at defensive tackle. Is he a third round option? We could also see another Stanford prospect targeted on day three — cornerback Alex Carter has the length, size and speed to match Seattle’s ideals at the position. As for beyond, I’m still a fan of NC State left tackle Rob Crisp and Michigan State safety Kurtis Drummond.

184 Responses to “Post combine mock draft: 24th February”

  1. Cameron says:

    Wow. I love this mock.

    We Seahawks fans should be more attuned than most about how important quality center play is for an offense to function. Erving can be Unger’s long term replacement and in the mean time step in at guard.

    No need to worry about Waller’s hands by the way, he had 26 catchable targets in 2014, and he caught all of them.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Great stat on Waller. Impressive. Could be the next V-Jax.

      • Jeff M. says:

        I liked Waller’s combine a lot and he’s certainly an intriguing prospect. One concern I had on his tape though is that despite his size and his playing at GT, he’s a pretty disappointing run blocker at this point (doesn’t seem very enthused to go hit DBs and instead just kind of tries to stand in their way). To pick him in the second the FO would have to be convinced he can be coached up on this and that he’s willing to put in some effort on blocking and STs.

        • Jordan says:

          What is it that is stopping Waller from being a higher pick? Athletic stud, huge, good hands, is it just lack of production? Needs refinement?

        • Rob Staton says:

          I’m not sure. I mean, I know they love run blocking from the WR’s. But I can’t imagine it’s a difference maker if the rest of the skill set is exactly the type of thing Seattle is looking for. I don’t really remember Sidney Rice being a great blocker after all.

          • Jeff M. says:

            Well he wasn’t Hines Ward, but I actually do remember Rice making some nice downfield blocks to spring Tate on screens and underneath throws… This FO seems to really value guys on both sides of the ball who play with a chip on their shoulder and who just want to hit somebody on every single snap.

            Doug Baldwin is a good example–there’s no reason from body type or skillset that he should be a good run-blocker, but he gives it his all on every snap–here’s him talking about run-blocking on the radio last month: “It’s funny you say the ‘want to’ because that’s what Tom Cable says. It’s actually not a ‘want to’, it’s a ‘have to.’ In this offensive, as a receiver, you are required to be able to block down field. And not only to block down field, to say it, but be effective with it. We as receivers take pride in it because we know a lot of guys around the league don’t do the dirty work, so to speak. We take pride in it. And when the passing game calls, we make plays with that.” (http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/01/14/doug-baldwin-on-the-steve-sandmeyer-show/)

            Admittedly I haven’t watched a lot of tape on Waller, but from what I’ve seen he looks like the opposite of Baldwin–he has all the natural tools (size, strength, athleticism, length) to be a devastating blocker but none of the “want to.” And I just don’t know if he can be a high pick for the Seahawks unless they’re convinced he’s ready to start doing that dirty work.

            • Martin says:

              I like the Erving pick. I tossed Waller’s name out after the SB. I just don’t know if he improved his stock that much. He was projected 5rd before the combine. The talk after the senior bowl was that he didn’t use his body very well in the red zone drills. Allowed smaller corners to get close and knock the ball out. That said I still would draft him but not before the 3rd.

            • Rob Staton says:

              One thing to remember with Seattle… they also focus on what a guy can be not necessarily what he is. If he has all the tools to be a good blocker but he isn’t there, it’s something they can work on. If he’s a dynamic downfield threat with size/speed who catches everything and has the character to create a fantastic partnership with Russell Wilson — I think they’ll take that and challenge themselves to make him a great blocker. I’ll also say — watched a lot of P-Rich after the last draft and he didn’t block (as you’d expect at his size in college). I think it’s something they love in a prospect, but not a deal breaker if they offer unique skills elsewhere. And without wanting to make excuses for Waller (I’ve not focused on his blocking to be fair) — that triple option offense is very tough to read for a wideout. Half the time you don’t know how the play is developing, or maybe your role is to fake a route to draw coverage.

              • Ross says:

                I don’t know if it’s something easily taught, but P-Rich was a good blocker this season from what I can remember. Watched the Giants game recently and he was almost lead blocking like a fullback for Lynch a couple of times. Willingness to do it is important.

                • Rob Staton says:

                  I’ve just watched a G-Tech game and I would say Waller’s blocking is hit and miss. Some good key blocks. Some where he doesn’t really get involved. A lot of fake downfield routes where he isn’t asked to block. It’s hard to say he’s a poor blocker on that evidence, but you also wouldn’t offer a glowing review. I need to do more work, but to offer a different slant — it suggests here in this link (not sure whose opinion it is) that he’s a good blocker for a WR: http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/133385/darren-waller

                  • Jake says:

                    Rob, did you notice him getting bullied around by much smaller CBs when you watched his tape? I watched a lot of GT this year (often the best early game this last season for whatever reason – I love the option) and that seemed to happen regularly. Once Smelter went down it seemed like the entire passing game disappeared and a lot of that was Waller failing to make plays.

                  • Rob Staton says:

                    Something I’ll definitely have to look into the more I watch moving forward. Watched two games since yesterday and definitely think he’s a project with upside. Still looks like he’s growing into his frame.

                  • GeoffU says:

                    Hi Jake, statistically speaking, I don’t see what you’re seeing. Even with Smelter in, there’s three games where they threw the ball a combined 23 times. 23 times in three games! For the most part, GT doesn’t really have a passing game, so I wouldn’t say it disappeared.

                    When Smelter went out, Waller’s production the last two games matched Smelter’s almost exactly:
                    5-73 1td
                    5-114 1td

                    In the first game GT only threw the ball 14 times for 8 completions
                    In the second game only 12 passes, 7 completions.

                    Don’t know how many times he was targeted, but he had 10 of their 15 completions.

                    Obviously it doesn’t tell the hole story, you’d really have to look at the tape to get to what you’re alluding to, but the GT offense is a very strange thing it seems.

              • bigDhawk says:

                To your point about the Wilson/Waller long-term connection, Waller is another high-character guy from Virginia, like Wilson, and the two should hit it off great. Watch some of his youtube college-produced interviews. You can tell he is from that football-factory culture in Virginia – very well spoken about the game.

              • Martin says:

                Don’t get me wrong I have been banging the Waller drum since we first started talking about needing another tall reciever after the Superbowl. I’m completely for drafting Waller, just not over drafting him because of his forty time. That’s all.

                As always thanks for all the time and effort you put into your writing and also your responses here in the comments too Rob. You make this a must read daily.

        • Cole says:

          Julius Thomas is also a big receiving target who isn’t the most accomplished blocker. The Seahawks tried to trade for him mid season.

          • Attyla the Hawk says:

            I wouldn’t equate the attempt to get JT as we’re looking for him exactly.

            Seattle was hoping to get some 2014 return on Harvin. The fact they inquired about JT and Cameron speaks to that.

            Those two players were guys on the final year of their rookie deals. Players who look like they will be allowed to leave by their respective clubs. I believe we were looking for a rent a player particularly after Miller had just gone down in week 3.

            I don’t necessarily believe it indicates a shift in the kinds of prospects we want long term. Merely a means to buffet an injury shortcoming with very minimal cap impact. There’s no real indication that we would have necessarily offered to extend either of them to retain them beyond a championship run.

            If we pursue either in UFA, then I’d admit that would indicate a shift. But trying to trade Harvin was the #1 goal. Trying to fill an injury related hole in the offense seems to have been the goal. Even up to that point, Willson hadn’t proven he could handle the extra load. I think he did flash quality in that regard to finish the season. Enough so, that committing 6m+ for a great option versus < 1m for a lesser option in Willson may be something we accept from a roster building perspective.

            • lil'stink says:

              Completely agree, for all the points you mentioned. I think people might overestimate our interest in Cameron and Thomas because we inquired as to their availability this past season There were several reasons why those inquiries were made, but I’m not sure it was because we saw them as long term answers for our TE situation. I really saw them primarily as rentals.

      • rowdy says:

        The combine really changed my opinion of his and though I think it’s a major reach I wouldn’t be opposed to a 2nd on him. I think drafting a player is a better idea then paying a outsider twice as much as are highest paid receiver.

    • DC says:

      Unger’s health is an ongoing concern. His snaps continue to be erratic over the last two seasons which makes me wonder if that tricep injury ever fully healed. His salary is not small. When the cap squeeze comes, if we keep only one of Okung or Unger my vote is to extend Okung. It would be great if Erving could come in at LG and understudy Unger for a while, ultimately taking over the C duties down the road. This pick makes too much sense.

      • southpaw360 says:

        What is the thought on Patrick Lewis? I thought he looked good in the games he played when Unger was hurt. Why couldn’t he be an Unger replacement? Just asking here to hear a more educated view than mine. By the way, thanks for what you do Mr. Staton. It is amazing!

        • Volume 12 says:

          Just my opinion, but C Patrick Lewis seems to be more suited for a back-up role. He’s a very good 7th or 8th O-lineman.

        • Drew says:

          He leap frogged Lem Jean-Pierre which I think says a lot. I thought Lem was a very capable backup and had potential to be a starter. Granted neither are on the same level as Unger but I’m comfortable with them playing if he’s out.

          • Jake says:

            I like Erving. His versatility is very attractive. Putting him between Okung and Unger for a year would create a very strong left side. He’d likely be more consistent than Carpenter right away.

    • rowdy says:

      Waller hands is watching I liked most about him. He can snatch it away from his body with easy and doesn’t bobble it at all.

    • jake206 says:

      We are not picking an offensive lineman. I’m almost 80-90% sure about this. The one time they did, Pete regretted it and almost swore they wouldn’t draft a O-lineman in first round ever again.

  2. j says:

    Glad to see someone else is on the Henry Anderson train. Looked really good at the E/W Shrine Game, and had good combine numbers as well. Biggest flaw is his age. If he was there with our third, I’d be OK with picking him. Fourth would be a good spot, IMO

    • Rob Staton says:

      Looked good at the Senior Bowl too. Picking so late in the third, it’s basically a fourth. He’s someone you can work on to possible replace McDaniel. Similar length/size.

      • j says:

        I wouldn’t be disappointed with a pick in the third. Happy even. Its just that I’d be happier a little lower down. But if we had to use our third to get him I’d be for it.

        • Volume 12 says:

          I’d love to know what OK St DT James Cattlemen’s arm length is.

          This dude had a 48 yard catch and run in the Cactus Bowl. He’s pretty pissed off he didn’t get a combine invite, and is working out with double amputees and guys with life altering injuries to keep him motivated. He’s also rumored to love the camera’s, spotlight, and attention. Sounds ‘Seahawky’ to me.

    • manthony says:

      Lol last year i got trent murphy and henry anderson mixed up so i was beating the drum for tremt murphy out of stanford, if the seahawks let rob make a few picks this year, i think we’ll be in good shape

  3. James says:

    Rob, Cameron Erving makes a lot of sense. He is a plug and play OG, and could certainly take over for Unger after a couple of years. He could even play LT in a pinch (which with Okung might be half a dozen games each year). A very valuable, very verstatile guy.

    Interesting to look at some of the major national mocks for the Seahawks R1: NFL.com goes with La’el Collins (OT from LSU), Jordan Phillips (DT from Oklahoma), Eddie Goldman (DT from Fla St) and Todd Gurley (RB from Georgia). CBS-draftscout goes with: Cameron Erving (Rob Rang agreeing with you, Rob), Marcus Peters (CB, Washington) and AJ Cann (OG, S Carolina). Mel Kiper goes with Phillip Dorsett (WR, Miami….no way, Mel), McShay goes with Todd Gurley.

    Any of these guys would be excellent choices. Peters fills the greatest need, by far. Tharold Simon at CB and Marcus Burley at nickel, to start the season, is simply not going to cut it. An immediate starter at CB from R1 seems so obvious that of course, John and Pete will probably wait until the 5th round.

    Todd Gurley would be a steal. Play behind Beast Mode for what is almost certainly his final season, and then plug in an elite RB to fill Marshawn’s huge gap… and we all know how Pete values the run game. This would be the odds on choice if he is still there at #31.

    Any of the other guys, all linemen, would really help the team. Which brings up a point… dare I say that John has slipped a little in his past couple of drafts and really needs to get back to the genius level of his first three years. Admittedly, the injuries have devastated the Seahawks this year and certainly cost us a second Super Bowl …so many of these guys have yet to play much, but the draft from the past two years: Richardson, Britt, Marsh, Norwood, KPL, C-Mike, Jordan Hill, Jesse Williams, Tharold Simon, Luke Willson and Pig Bailey (FA) are underwhelming (gasp!). Not one of these guys even hints at a pro bowl level of play, at best they are league-average, with the slightly possible exception of Jordan Hill, whereas John’s first three years landed at least 4 future Hall of Fame players! How is that for a drop off? John needs to get his groove back, or the attrition to lost FAs and injuries is going to take us down to a level none of us want to go.

    • Bruce M. says:

      Disagree on Richardson, Norwood, Marsh, KPL, Jordan Hill and Luke Wilson. All have them, except Norwood and Marsh, have shown they can play, and play well. And Norwood and Marsh have flashed enough at practice that there is reason to believe they will grow into good players, at least. Far, far too soon to label any of them incapable of Pro Bowl level play…

      And Bailey has played very well indeed for a FA.

      Now they have to get, and stay, healthy. If they can’t, then we can start talking about bad drafting. Expecting Hall of Fame talent to be spotted, and emerge, in one or two seasons is just….not a fair bar for a GM.

      • David M2 says:

        I think you also have to look at how many guys JS has drafted since 2010 who are playing roles on other teams.

        Drafting isn’t necessarily indicative of who you were able to hold onto. Often rosters are modified because of injuries and players are picked up and let go to fill specific needs even though the team may not want to part ways with that player.

        Unfortunately you loose some draft picks and good UDFA’s along the way, but the Seattle front office seems to have a knack for finding their guys to compete.

        As always, it’ll be interesting to see how it all goes down over the next few months.

      • James says:

        It seems an unfair expectation, but finding a hall of fame player three years in a row, including a franchise QB in R3, tells me that John has it in him. If it had been a one-time bonanza, that would be different, but three years in a row…. No one from the past two years would even be in the top ten of John’s best picks, and that is a drop-off by any standards. We need at least one more killer draft from John before we go on cruise control with what we’ve got…. and one of the picks this year darn well needs to be another elite CB.

        • David M2 says:

          Peters still seems to be an interesting pick it would be great if he was there in the 3rd, doubt he’ll last that long.

    • David M2 says:

      I’m guessing that Marshawn is going to play more than just 1 more season. Unless he really gets banged up next year.

      There’s too much money on the table with his new clothing brand that is set to release fall of 2015. I think we’ll see at least 2 more seasons, and if we’re lucky maybe 3.

    • Martin says:

      James, Not every draft pick will be a HOFer. Every team need it’s roll players. Most of the guys you named were rookies who finished the season on IR. For Simon this was his first year with any playing time. Remember he too played the last few weeks with the same injury as Earl, report are that he will need surgery as well. Which is unfortunate because he needs the reps in camp. But anyone who attempts to fill the right corner spot has big shoes to fill. C-Mike IMO is the only one who deserves the underwhelming “bust” tag.

  4. lil'stink says:

    I would love to see a side by side comparison of Flowers and Erving. Most mocks I have seen have Erving going before #31, but the way you present it Rob it would be a no brainer if he falls to us.

    I really can’t see us taking Waller in the second round, though. I keep thinking of this recent John Schneider quote – “You can get tricked by the speed, or the athleticism, or the upside, and I mean, we’ve done that plenty of times here.” Of course, everything can change depending on what the roster looks like after FA.

    It’s hard to not like McBride in the second or third round. I still love the idea of getting Tyler Lockett at #63. I understand why Seahawks fans would roll their eyes at yet another receiver with a smallish catch radius, though.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Flowers very underrated for me. Could go a lot earlier than I’m projecting. Tape better than workout. Seen one bad game, several good ones. Probably not a pure left tackle, but can play RT and G at a pinch.

      On the Schneider quote — I take the point. But I think they’re still going to go after difference making physical upside. I think they’re just going to be extra careful on the character/attitude side of things. Christine Michael had issues. They took him anyway. Waller, from what I can see, is an absolute delight. Hard working guy, personable. Same with McBride.

  5. j says:

    I think Waller went unnoticed among fans and the media. The decision makers are another story. 6’6, 240, 4.46 speed? No drops last year? That could wind up Calvin Johnson lite.

    If he is there at 2.62, it’d be mighty tempting.

    I also like Chris Conley. Say what you want about how he runs his routes, but we need someone to have an impact like Chris Matthews in the superbowl. Run deep and win the redline. Conley can do that. 2.62 would be a good spot as well, personally.

    We aren’t a team like Denver or NE. Our offense works best based off of running the ball, and throwing the ball deep of play action. With the occasional screen/mid range pass sprinkled in. We should target guys who fit that plan.

    • rowdy says:

      I like waller as a multiple role player right away. He can play mathews superbowl roll and the move TE miss match role. Hopefully turn into a solid player with coaching. I don’t think he has the suddenness to play wr full-time on the time but still be an important part.

      • Volume 12 says:

        Waller is very intriguing, Comes from a run based offense, capitalizes his opportunities. That’s a very interesting comparison to V-Jax. Almost identical. It’s similar to Nick Marshall and Richard Sherman’s.

        • rowdy says:

          I remember you bringing him up as I dismissed him for vance ma yle. Man do I look dumb now lol. I expected their 40’s to be reversed.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Conley a great debating point. Amazing potential but what round do you take him? Hard to work out.

      • Dan says:

        I think he might make a surprise late entrance to the first.

        • SunPathPaul says:

          I don’t see Conley, even w a great combine, making it into round 1. Round 2 would be the highest I have seen… He simply doesn’t have as much production in college, so he drops a bit.

          I’d love this guy to pair with RW for the next 4-8 years. He is intelligent and fast…I think he might still be around in R3 due to the number of quality fast wideouts. But who knows?

          If we had Conley and Lockette, I’d be happy. Take a flier on 6-5/204 Jordan Taylor in the 7th from Rice, or as an UDFA, for some height…

  6. Greg Haugsven says:

    I wrote a fan post on field gulls last week titled Cameron Erving talking about your same points. I love the mock here. It’s not a sexy pick but the OL never is but it so very important.

  7. Misfit74 says:

    Much rather add DGB at 31. Guards can be had later.

    • Ishmael says:

      Why?

      He’s not long, he’s not explosive, he hasn’t played for a year, and there are enormous character concerns.

      • Jason says:

        So being 6’6 and having sub 33″ arms isn’t long? Ok….

        • Rob Staton says:

          The height and small arms would be acceptable if he could jump (catching radius). He had a 33.5 inch vertical and a 9’11” in the broad. Waller is one pound heavier and managed a 38 inch vert and a 10’5″ on the broad jump. And he has longer arms.

          No comparison really.

          • rowdy says:

            I’m a fan of dgb at 31 but those facts are hard to debate. DGB looks so much smother and explosive on tape but those numbers are underwhelming. I would of laughed if you told me waller could do that before the combine. Both are raw with limited opportunities but I would take waller at 63 over dgb at 31 right now. The vjack comparison could be very true.

            • Jake says:

              Watch them play, DGB is a receiver – Waller is a big athlete. DGB is such a natural receiver, you can see it in how he catches the ball. So far, I have seen nothing to make me think Waller is going to be a good NFL receiver other than his size.

              • GeoffU says:

                Waller looks incredibly slow off the snap, that’s something he really needs to work on. His short range burst isn’t great at all, he’s not going to beat people with his quickness, but he seems to have some really good/deceptive mid-range gears. Once he gets out of second gear he can fly.

                But again, not very agile. The combine numbers backed this up. Good 40 yd dash and great 60 yd shuttle, but very average/poor 3 cone drill and 20 yd shuttle.

                DGB may be the biggest gamble of the draft. It’s really wide open for him, he may never play a down or he may turn into a stud. How much are you willing to gamble? A 1st? A 2nd? This one comes down to interviews and getting a feel for the guy in person.

                • rowdy says:

                  Waller isn’t a sudden athlete that’s why I don’t see him as a starting wide out. I do see him as a match up nightmare and a move te that can get a lot of playing time.

                • bigDhawk says:

                  I think the point with Waller, like Matthews showed us in the SB, is we don’t need a tall receiver to get horizontal separation. We need vertical separation. As long as Waller can go up and over, he can have shorter CBs in his hip pocket all day long and it won’t matter.

                  Besides, having receivers that can ‘get separation’ is a more valuable skill in a timing offense where the QB throws the receiver open in anticipation of that separation. That’s not what Russel does. Russel throws sexy deep balls and we nee a couple really tall receivers to go up and grab them, so to speak. Horizontal separation is largely irrelevant for our passing offense as a primary feature.

                  When we get PReach back we will have that horizontal separation again as a complimentary element and it’s effectiveness will be amplified if we have a twin tower outside threat of Matthews/Waller.

              • rowdy says:

                Dgb needs a lot of work as a receiver, he’s relies on his athletic ability more then anyone. The only reason he’s in the 1st round talk is for potential. Not because his route running or being polished. Per targets waller has the better hands. I think dgb is the better prospect but considering round, other players available and other concerns I’d take waller in the second

          • Jason says:

            I want a football player not some crazy athlete. To me Waller screams combine warrior. If Smelter hadn’t gotten hurt no one would still know who Waller was, now there’s talk of him in the second round?? Just because of a combine? I don’t buy it

    • matt509 says:

      Yea let’s get a WR with major character concerns and a guard that’s not as good instead of a much better guard and a WR with just as much potential. Minus the characters concerns. This way is MUCH better.

    • Rob Staton says:

      “Guards can be had later”

      So can receivers with major character concerns. I’ll be kind of surprised if he’s even on Seattle’s board.

      • OZ says:

        I’m with you on that,Rob. I’m still banging the table for Irvin.

      • Ho Lee Chit says:

        Exactly! Why invest a first round pick in a diva WR with character concerns when there are so many good WR’s in this class. I expect DBG to fall into the third round.

      • Misfit74 says:

        I also trust Seattle to mine a quality Guard in the middle rounds much more than suddenly hitting on a prospective #1 WR in those same rounds. Seattle needs to finally land a big fish a receiver and I think Jordan Matthews (PHI) is a reasonable ‘floor’ for DGB. He still wins at the catch point. He’s competing for the ball vs. cornerbacks – not the other receivers in football. I think very highly of DGB from the tape I’ve watched and he’s still far from a finished product. He could be our version of Alshon Jeffery but more of a vertical weapon and less catch-radius. I think he’s going to be N excellent NFL player. And still we can double – dip for one of the other guys you mentioned. We need to draft multiple WRs, in my view.

  8. rowdy says:

    I been thinking the draft would fall oline for a while. Like last year’s draft, a strong wr group against a week db group, teams will overdraft dbs and under draft wr in the first. You could see 6 wr and 5 dbs in first because dbs will be in higher demand. Every team needs dline help/depth so they will be plenty taken with the amount of talent this year. OL/RB/QB/LB will be there for around 7-10 picks before 31 and oline will be top priority, as long as lynch signs.

  9. Volume 12 says:

    Love the mock Rob! I just think the value at that spot is too good to pass on. We know JS always refers to ‘pockets of talents or value,’ and the end of the 1st has that on the offensive line.

    I’m glad to see that you stated Cameron Erving plays with an edge. That was my main concern with him. While it’s true that we don’t really know what Seattle targets in O-lineman, I think 1 thing we could agree on is that they/TC seem to favor guys that have that edge, play nasty, or are highly competitive.

    Give me Cam Erving or Ereck Flowers in the 1st and Tre McBride or Daren Waller in the 2nd.

    I think MSU S Kurtis Drummond is a very good fit behind ET and possibly to file in for him if need be. He’s a great center-field type safety.

  10. CA says:

    Awesome stuff Rob keep up the great work, love the mock. A few thoughts:

    Can’t wait to find out which WR(s) we pick up in this draft. It is imperative the defense lands a productive pass rusher and I’d rather not see them use cap space to do it. Although our DL rotation is talented, it needs one more to round out the depth.

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see them go after a safety they like in mid to late rounds. At least earlier than some might expect.

    In terms of need(“need” here meaning most upgradable) i rank the top few IMHO,
    1)WR/KR/PR 2)RT 3)TE 4)WR 5)CB 6)DL

    Value of these positions and players at various picks will ultimately decide what order we select(for instance I doubt we take 2 WRs before taking a DL) but I’m expecting BIG moves to be made in FA at TE and DL at least. FO, please make Julius Thomas happen pleeeeease.

    • David M2 says:

      I posted this article a few day’s ago, but I think Julius Thomas is soft. I’m with Volume 12 if there is any way to get Martellus Bennett from the Bears we should make that move.

      Have a buddy who is a pretty die hard Denver fan and has his ear pretty close to the ground, who also believes this to be true.

      Even though Seattle went after Thomas when Harvin was on the blocks, I hope they don’t do it again.

      Here’s a link to the article I’m talking about.:

      Julius Thomas Turned Down Huge Deal From The Broncos

      • Rob Staton says:

        Hard to read too much into that. Denver beat is pretty ‘supportive’ of the team, shall we say. Can’t imagine why the Bears would want to get rid of Bennett. He’s on a team friendly deal in Chicago based on his production.

      • GeoffU says:

        I think the deal came down to guaranteed money. As in, there was very little of it. Yeah, the overall numbers looked big, but it was a bit like the Harvin contract — they could cut him in a year without much loss. Probably for good reason too, considering his injury history. Can’t blame Thomas though for wanting more security. Can’t blame Denver for knowing the guy and being cautious.

        I’d like to have him, but I’m up in the air on whether it’s worth what he’s going to get. If it turns into a bidding war with us, Gus, and Quinn I think we need to bow out early.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Thanks for the kind words CA!

      I think they’ll be as competitive as anyone for Julius Thomas. It’ll come down to how much he wants to win vs how much he wants to earn. If it’s close I suspect he’ll choose the competitor. We’ll see.

      • Misfit74 says:

        I hope that’s the case. 🙂

      • Martin says:

        I wonder how much Oakland and Jacksonville will effect the market with what I was hearing from John Clayton on 710 this week. That rule about teams spending something like 80 percent of their cap over a 4 year period. With both of them way below, will they throw money at these “top” free agents and out price everyone else while doing so.

        • Rob Staton says:

          It’s definitely a threat. But they’re also not going to be careless. So if they offer someone like Julius Thomas $10m per and Seattle offers $8m — the player has to decide whether that $2m more per year is worth not signing for a contender versus two teams in the midst of yet another major rebuild.

  11. matt509 says:

    I like the Erving pick. His versatility would help so much.

    I wasn’t a fan at first, but i’ve been getting on board with Nelson Agholor. If only someway we could go 1) Erving 2) Agholor 3) Waller on top of signing Julius Thomas. Immediate return help and passing threat ( JT ). Plus a guy to pair with Richardson when he gets back and a project #1 WR. Who knows Waller could be better than we thought and could be a star from day 1. It seemed like that was a constant trend last season.

  12. matt509 says:

    If a defensive player we like falls to us and we take him how do you think that will change our draft plans? Like last year, let’s say Easley falls to us and we take him. How do you think that would have changed our draft plans for our 2nd round pick? Would Britt be the favorite or do you think we still would have targeted a WR? This year do we target WR in the 2nd and then pass on Oline untill rounds 6-7 so we can find depth at DL and CB? We talk about the big needs but also leave out that there are possibilities for a defensive pick. So let’s say that happens, what’s next? Our draft plans completely alter and certain priorities increase.

    • Rob Staton says:

      It’s hard to say. I think they might’ve considered Easley or Roby who went to Denver. I also think they knew well before the draft neither would be there anyway and they set up their board to draft P-Rich and then a tackle. I think they’ll make a similar judgement this year. And I think they’ll know they have to go offense with that first pick. The defense was still #1 last year across the board. They can add guys from R3-7 and possibly make a couple of second wave FA moves to replenish.

  13. jake206 says:

    Pete has said numerous times, he will not be drafting an Offensive lineman in first round. They did it before and it turned into James Carpenter. Instead, they’ll be drafting skill positions. I assume this year: its a WR/TE, Gurley/Melvin or trading down.

    • Rob Staton says:

      “Pete has said numerous times, he will not be drafting an Offensive lineman in first round”

      You’ll have to find the quotes, because I’ve never heard that. Let alone numerous times.

      • Drew says:

        They’ve also drafted Okung in the first round, which I think turned out to be a pretty good pick. Even though Carp didn’t turn out to be what they wanted, he has been at least league average at OG, with a plus in the run game. I don’t get how people can think that a 50% hit rate on 1st rd OL would turn them off from doing it again, especially when the failure has still been a big contributor.

        • Ho Lee Chit says:

          I agree. Carpenter is far from a bust. He has been injured a lot but is now in position to cash in on his second contract. Any time a guy is still in the league after five years he was a good choice regardless of which round you drafted him in. Half of the first round picks are out of the league after five years.

    • Attyla the Hawk says:

      I haven’t heard that either. That was a bad draft in general and poor for OL at that point. Seattle was desperate for OL infusion. We didn’t even have a full complement of OL players on the roster at that point.

      Honestly, if Pete really did say or still thinks that, then I’m going on record as saying that’s just plain stupid and I’d disagree with him entirely. Every draft is different as are prospects. That’s inherent in the risk of taking players. They are all risks. One failure or success can’t be applied going forward. Just because we took Earl Thomas at 14, doesn’t mean Eric Reid at 18 is going to be the same impact player. Any more than taking a HOF player like Lawrence Taylor at #2 overall means Aaron Curry at #4 will have the same result.

      There are plenty of good/great OL players taken in the 20th to 50th overall range. Getting or missing on one in one year does not mean there aren’t any to be had going forward.

      This kind of sentiment really sounds more like that of a fans’ own personal disapproval of a particular failure.

  14. UKhawk says:

    I don’t think they go OL either; even if it’s logical.

    If BPA doesn’t work out in terms of taking a superior talent at an important position like Gurley or making the defense better vsv Collins or Harold; Id support double dipping at WR/TE. Taking size in Waller/DGB/Furchess/Walford/Williams and also going speed/quickness with McBride, Agholor, Dorsett, Perriman, Conley. Want them to make a weakness a strength, need to get better in the redzone, and prepare for a more balanced, explosive offense post-Lynch.

    • rowdy says:

      If carp leaves it probably the most likely scenario, as long as lynch signes

    • Rob Staton says:

      In this projection obviously Gurley, Collins and Harold are off the board. I don’t have an issue with double dipping, but the Seahawks have to judge the value at each pick and hit the sweet spots. I like Waller, but not at #31. DGB (IMO) won’t be on Seattle’s board. That’s my guess. Funchess thoroughly underwhelmed at Michigan and just doesn’t seem like a Seahawk. Walford — #31 way too early. I like Maxx Williams but not necessarily as an answer to Seattle’s offensive issues. I do like the options you listed at receiver at #63 though. And I think that’s the problem — you can get much better value from 40-65 at wide out compared to #31. If you really wanted to double dip like this, I’d trade down aggressively once or twice — taking two players after the #50 pick with the hope of trying to get something like another third or a couple of fourths. Then you can go WR/WR in the second half of round two and still find away to fill other holes later on.

    • Misfit74 says:

      I’m glad someone mentioned B.Perriman. He is VERY intriguing to me. Lots of good traits and, of course, strong NFL bloodlines don’t hurt, either. Perhaps we could trade down and get him in the 2nd?

  15. UKhawk says:

    Also wouldn’t be opposed to trading up to get someone they want esp with the depth at WR later in the draft

    • UKhawk says:

      Spot on, Rob. I was implying a trade down to double dip. Furthermore, the order of taking one or the other will depend on their board and the draft positioning I was just trying to say 1) get 2 WRs, 2) get 2 types be it slot, vert, redline or redzone and 3) there is depth if we miss our preferred guy.

      Clearly the first 2 choices might be say Waller and McBride which arguably you spend a #50 & #51 one or they like Perriman at 31, miss Waller in the 2nd and go for an alternative 63 or deeper. – maxx or Conley or Furchess in the 3rd? There may not be much separating guys so maybe they target who they want and when they can get them OR just they rank certain guys in a cluster and don’t care as long as they get one (say aglohor, Dorsett and Smith)

      I do agree they need to be ranked, figure out when they go in order to improve chances of getting their guys.

      • Drew says:

        Angholor or McBride would be my pick in the 2nd. I’d prefer a trade back from #31, get one of those two with the first pick in the 2nd, get Waller at the end of the 2nd. Solves the big redzone target and WR/KR/PR problem. Then address the OL in the 3rd and defense the rest of the way.

  16. craig says:

    Waller is intriguing. Also intriguing.. Might also look at GT’s best receiver past 2 years- DeAndre Smelter. Very underrated, clutch with great hands, feel for the game, former baseball star, and a devastating blocker

  17. Trevor says:

    Rob love the mock and your logic behind each pick. Makes so much more sense than a lot of the national media stuff that is out there. The research and work you do shows and is really appreciated.

    If the draft falls this pick my favourites for the Hawks in the 1st are off the Board and Erving makes a ton of sense as a safe pick particularly if the let Carp walk. I think I am in the minority but I hope they keep him and we have an offseason of continuity for the OL. I was hoping the market for Carp would be slow but it appears that may not be case so I recognize he will probably be gone. If so Erving or Flowers makes a ton of sense.

    I still am dreaming for one of the Corners (Collins or Jones) or Harlod to fall to us as I think all have the physical tools to end up being pro-bowl caliber players.

    If the draft board does fall like your mock which makes a lot of sense I think the real value is in the 2nd. I would love to see us trade back to the early 2nd and also trade a 3 and 5 to move up for an extra 2nd. If we could get 3 2nds. I think we could pick up Max Willams, Trey Mcbride and a starting Guard.

    I like Waller any time from the 3rd round on and love Anderson pick in the same range.

    My two favourite mid round OL players are Poole and Crisp. Went back to watch as much tape as I could on both and think both could be long term starters for us after a year to develop and learn Cables ZBS. Check out the tape of NC St vs Clemson. Crisp handles this years combine star Beasley real well. I think with a year of NFL strength training he could be an excellent RT or insurance plan in case Okung walks.

    Keep up the great work Rob!

    • Drew says:

      I was actually at that game and noticed Beasley was kept in check. I came away very impressed. That was the game that I thought Beasley was going to hurt his draft stock and looked like he was smaller, lighter and had shorter arms. I guess I wasn’t the only one that he surprised with his huge combine. Says a lot about Crisp and Rob for pointing him out.

      One thing to remember, Cable fell in love with Britt last year when he stonewalled Clowney last year. Could the same thing happen with Crisp???

  18. Trevor says:

    Also want to go on record as saying the one player I really want to see as a Seahawks this year is Tre McBride. This kid has the skill, athleticism, production and character the Hawks covet. I just think he and Russel would be a dynamic combo for the next 5-8 years.

    Last year you had me desperately hoping for Bitonio to fall to us and I was really disappointed we passed on him. Looks like you were spot on with that call can you imagine this line with him and Sweezy at guard!

  19. I like the options you’ve presented, Rob, and I have to commend you on keeping the current Seahawks’ regime draft philosophy in mind. What I mean by that is this front office is looking for players with “unique” or “special” traits, especially in the early rounds or skill positions. They don’t care if a player has a few weaknesses, as long as they have something special that gives them an advantage.

    This is something I brought up before the draft last season. I was on the Cody Latimer train since he was a 4th rd projection, but the closer it got to the draft, the more I realized that he might not be a fit in SEA. He was very well-rounded, but didn’t have a special trait that made him pop off the tape. Richardson made so much sense in hindsight, with the ability to use his speed to gain great separation.

    This brings me to my next point about Tre McBride. I like him, but does he really bring anything unique to the table? He’s a great all-around WR, and maybe that’s his special quality when graded against the rest of the Seahawks WRs who really each have their own niche. When looking for special players at the WR position, I think the Seahawks will love Dorsett (speed), Agholor (Return skills), and Waller (size/speed potential) among others. I’m in favor of double dipping and getting a size guy at either WR or TE and a speed WR/PR/KR. I also think a free agent TE is almost a given with this weak class.

    So, to sum up my lecture here, we can’t forget that the front office looks for players with unique qualities that they can develop to have a competitive advantage on the field. Side note, if Melvin Gordon somehow slips you know Schneider will love him. He scouted him personally and the guy just jumps off the tape.

    Great job, Rob, I love the site.

    • Volume 12 says:

      W&M WR Tre McBride is unique. Not many 6’0, 210 lbs receivers in the NFL with his skill set.

      He has a Golden Tate like ability to high-point and fight for ‘jump balls.’ Tate and McBride’s combine numbers are very similar. McBride also has that ‘competitive edge’ and spark that Seattle and we as fans have all come to know and love.

      He’d also make a nice KR/PR.

      • Trevor says:

        My thoughts exactly Volume. I think we really missed Tate last year as a go to guy to win those 50/50 balls. Not to mention his KR / PR value.

        I think Mcbride brings the same skill set to the table and may end up being a little better. I also think his work ethic and attitude will mesh with Wilson unlike Tate.

      • I noticed McBride had excellent body control, so I can see how his ability to high point the ball makes him unique. I wasn’t throwing him under the bus, just looking for an honest explanation of something he does exceptionally well. Still think my point about unique or special traits in players still stands though.

        • Volume 12 says:

          That’s what he does exceptionally well. And it is a unique or special trait.

          Seattle isn’t going to spend a high pick on a WR just because they have return abilities. If that’s something that a receiver does than great, but their not going to pass on a superior prospect who doesn’t have PR/KR skills and take the other guy just because he does.

          I think they will target a return specialist in UDFA or something. They seem to be high on BJ Daniels as a possible return man, and McBride does possess ST qualities and return ability.

          • For the record, I think Agholor and Dorsett are good receiving prospects. The fact they can return (especially Agholor) is a bonus. I agree that they won’t go for a high pick just because of return abilities.

            Daniels is an enigma. If he truly is an option as PR/KR and WR, that could allow them to only draft 1 WR if they feel confident in Daniels’ ability to contribute. If that’s the case, however, why wasn’t he playing already last season when they needed help? He practiced there the whole year so it wouldn’t have been something he was just thrown into.

            • Volume 12 says:

              Even if BJ Daniels emerge’s as their KR/PR, they still need a couple of receiving options.

              Why wasn’t he playing last year? I’ve no idea, but sometimes it takes certain players longer to indoctrinate themselves in a system than it does others.

    • Misfit74 says:

      I was in love with Martavis Bryant and Latimer last year. I wanted us to nab Bryant even with the Britt pick. Though I have a crush on DGB this year, I think his lack of elite measurables may not fit the ‘special traits’ profile as well as our FO might like, but I still think he’s going to be a special player. With this year’s WR class so deep, surely we’ll hit on a pool of players we can grow our offense with. I’m still figuring out some of my other favorites.

      I listened to Dan Shonka from Ourlads today and he had glowing things to say of Maxx Williams, Tre McBride, and even J. Strong. Also mentioned Perriman.

  20. Ulsterman says:

    Erving would be a good safe pick who could become a solid player for years. Go wr in 2nd.
    But I still think cb is biggest need and would be happy with a trade up to get the right one if the price isn’t too high. It’s the one position I’d be seriously worried about if Maxwell leaves and they have to go with what’s on the roster.be great if they could find another later round gem, but can they keep doing that?

  21. MoondustV says:

    I’d like not to predict the draft result before FA comes. I mean, once we successfully land Julius Thomas or Jordan Cameron, even Suh, the whole draft strategy will change immediately. Of course it’s very difficult to land big-name FAs, but we have to do something to maximize this Super Bowl window.

    BTW,excellent article Rob.Greetings from a seahawk fan in China.

  22. Cysco says:

    Solid Mock Rob. The team I probably know the most about besides Seattle is Dallas. I can’t see them drafting Gurley unless he’d be ready to go early in the season. (which I doubt) Dallas is in a major window and it’s closing fast. Romo has 2-3 years left. I just can’t see them using a 1st rounder on a player who doesn’t help them win now.

    Depending on what happens with this Dez Bryant tape scandal I could see them going WR, D-line or CB depending on who is there.

    There sure is a stretch in that 20-27 range that I’d love to have a shot at.

    • CHawk Talker Eric says:

      BAL needs a RB in the worst way. Depending on how they handle Murray, so too may DAL. IND is also in the hunt for a RB after the Richardson debacle.

      It’s hard to imagine either (or both) of Gurley and Gordon to make it past these 3 teams. Then again, those teams may decide there’s enough RB depth in the draft to take one later on.

      Between Gurley and Gordon – I’m not sure any of them can afford to spend a R1 pick on a player who may not be ready to play for a while.

  23. peter says:

    Excellent Mock Sir! I’m not a huge fan of the Early Oline pick but this one makes a ton of sense. I was yet again nerding out on WR’s and it became eerily clear to me why a guy like Waller gets picked in the second and conversely why a guy like Dorsett may not even be on their radar.

    It’s the jump ball angle you always preach. Realistically besides a small amount of times when does Seattle “throw open recievers?’ Even with Tate his RAC was honestly all on him and his ability. Seattle throws to the sideline and down the middle into traffic to move the chains if they’ve found a soft spot in the secondary. Plays and players like Antonio Brown/Mike Wallace/Desean Jackson just aren’t really in the repertoire. I wish they would be and I wish a player like Dorsett or Smith would be in the mix with all the speed kills talk but speed kills is redundant when you throw corner posts with expecting the DB to be draped all over the player to win 50/50 jump balls.

    Oddly I actually to my own chagrin though Seattle may go…..Jalen Strong 31 because his weakness is oddly not a weakness for Seattle and granted it’s at the College Level but for all the separation he doesn’t get he’s still getting better at boxing players out and winning 50/50 jump balls.

    This is not my preference but just what came to me in an idea:

    1. Jalen Strong
    2. Waller
    3. Grady Jarret
    4. Carter, WR
    5. Poole/Rowe/Eskridge
    6. Crisp
    7. Best short fullback available/ Best toolsy athlete left/ Best backup QB named Blake Sims who loses out to TJAX in training camp to back up Wilson who I hope goes on a Favreian longetivity tour for the rest of his career/ Best former Auburn QB turned DB looking to enroll at DB U. / Best former Skyline HS WR turned forgotten player who sucks at separation but is actually tremendous at Jump balls/ Best Big Sky conference player any position/ Best Player named Chucky Hunter

  24. bobbyk says:

    I had a weird dream last night that we drafted J.J. Humphries with our first pick (it was a dream so I don’t know if we traded into the early second or what) and he beat out Okung with his blind side blocking in pass pro. Okung moved to RT and went to the Pro Bowl. I think that means I’m thinking about this stuff too much.

    Interesting numbers on Waller.

  25. bobbyk says:

    Interesting take on Waller. Good read. Kind of contradicts a few things metioned here, but confirms some too. With anything, there’s good and bad and we make decisions off of all information gathered.

    Loving this “new” site (for me). I’m on board the Waller train!

    http://nflmocks.com/2015/02/22/georgia-tech-wr-darren-waller-nfl-draft-scouting-report/

  26. UKHawkDavid says:

    Rob, thanks so much for putting this together and keeping the blog refreshed, informative, and relevant.

    I’ve been banging the drum since December to trade down for the first and trade up in the second, and still feel the overall best value in the first two rounds is between pick 35 and 50. I don’t know if you saw Matt Miller’s two round mock yesterday but it’s scary the drop off on quality he sees after Jordan Phillips goes at 53. My question to you is: how many teams do you think will be looking to trade down out of the first round this year? I’m thinking it might be higher than usual due to the talent plateau and then the sudden talent cliff but would like to hear from an expert.

    Also, just quickly want to say thanks to Volume12 – I don’t always 100% agree but his or hers insightful, well-thought out comments really add to the whole blog.

  27. CC says:

    I’d be very happy with Erving and Waller. Basically, each year a lot of guys succeed and fail not based on draft position but on fit, scheme and also the player. Yes, maybe the second round is too high for Waller – but if he works out does it really matter?

    Will Waller have things to learn, yes he will – as with most WRs – a lot of the top guys will be gone by end of the first, and likely in the second as well. Get your guys wherever you can!

    • bobbyk says:

      Agree 100%. If you get your guy and he pans out, there is no such thing as reaching for him. You never know if someone else is thinking the same thing.

  28. Ed says:

    We have disagreed a lot Rob, I think we can both be happy with how the draft might pan out. I get the OL to improve life for Wilson health, hopefully in the 2nd you get WR to improve the potency of Wilson.

    1st Erving
    2nd Agholor/Dorsett
    3rd Carter
    4th McBride

  29. Ho Lee Chit says:

    I have been a fan of Cameron Erving in the first round for some time. It makes sense with all of the contracts that are running out soon. Versatility is something we value highly in O Lineman and Erving has that. He is also nasty and athletic. The only area in which I disagree with Rob is his fit for LT. IMO, his problems blocking on the edge are entirely coachable. He has a poor kick slide. Cable will correct this. If Cable can teach Sweezy he can teach Erving. The kid should be able to play every O line position at a high level and that is certainly worth the first round pick.

    There are a few players I would consider ahead of Erving. Alvin Dupree and Jordan Phillips would be on my list. Impact D Lineman will fly off the board and while we may find a guy in the fourth round the quality is much different. After pick 40 the pickin’s get slim on the D line. If Erving is gone we need to also consider Fisher and Humphries. These two are athletic freaks with versatility. Schneider will watch the board and attempt to trade back if multiple players he is targeting at #31 are still on the board. This makes it impossible to predict who we will end up with. Erving is as good a guess as anyone.

  30. MJ says:

    Great stuff Rob and totally agree. I think SEA knows exactly the direction they will be going.

    At this point, I think they have a scenario worked out where they go OL then WR, and vice versa. I think the only way they deviate from that path is if Todd Gurley falls to them. In that case, I could see them saying, “this is way too good to pass up.”

    RE: Gurley. Watched more of him last night. Unbelievable talent. IF, which I don’t think he will, makes it to the late 20s, I’d be all for a slight trade up to secure him. I know it’s tough to imagine not having a R1 contributor in year 1, but man, the transition from Lynch to Gurley…that’s a generational transition that would be nigh impossible to replicate, in any other scenario.

  31. Ross says:

    Darren Waller absolutely must be on Schneider’s radar. Could he be any more perfect for Seattle?

    – Tall mismatch maker
    – Ridiculously athletic
    – Good at blocking
    – Played with a short, mobile quarterback
    – Used to limited opportunities
    – Available in the middle rounds

    If this guy isn’t wearing blue and electric green come September then something has gone wrong somewhere. I would seriously consider taking him and Tre McBride. We should have multiple fourth round picks, potentially as many as three.

    Erving seems like a sensible player to choose in the first round. Great versatility. He should be able to back up the tackle positions as well. Not flashy but I would be really happy to have him.

  32. bobbyk says:

    I hope we draft a tackle who can actually pass protect. Sure, Britt will get better but I don’t ever see him getting good at it. To me he is a guard playing tackle.

    Getting a tackle at 31 and then Waller later would be fantastic. A coup.

    • John_s says:

      I agree on Britt. His wrestling background would be perfect at guard where he doesn’t have to worry about speed rushers getting around his edge.

    • CHawk Talker Eric says:

      Don’t understand the logic of spending a R2 pick on a RT then moving him inside after his rookie season.

      The only way you could replace Britt with a “better” RT would be to draft one very, very high. And even then there is no guarantee that prospect will work out (see: James Carpenter).

      SEA’s OL isn’t set up for pass pro. It never will be as long as PC is running the show. RW will never be a 3 step drop pocket passer. Give it up.

      Continuity is the single most underrated aspect of an OL’s success. Britt and Sweezy were among the best RT/RG tandem in the NFL for run blocking in 2015. Now we should move Britt inside and bring in someone totally new without any pro experience or any continuity with the rest of the OL? Talk about taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

      • bobbyk says:

        I don’t understand the logic of drafting Chris Harper in the 4th and releasing him a few months later. Not a good example, but you get the point. I agree about continuity but Britt did not display much potential ever being a good pass protector. He seems better suited for guard.

        • Ed says:

          I agree. Regardless where someone is picked, if you are smart you always look to improve your team. At 31 we can get a better RT and move Britt inside, I say go for it. Britt is a power guy, better run blocker. Stick him inside and put Fisher or Flowers at RT.

          1st Erving/Fisher/Flowers
          2nd Agholor/Dorsett

        • CHawk Talker Eric says:

          Oh come on bobbyk! Surely you aren’t comparing a R4 flyer pick to a R2?!? Not to mention the concept of drafting to add for competition within a group (WR) vs. drafting to fill a specific position with a specific player?!?

          In their 5 drafts together, JSPC have drafted a WR in R4 3 times. Each time it was with an intention to add competition to that position group. Only Norwood remains with the team, and that’s as much because he was drafted last year and SEA’s WR corps is already decimated. None of the 3 made any appreciable contribution (Norwood might yet, but he hasn’t so far). In other words, SEA sees the logic of rolling the dice on a WR prospect in R4 to add competition to the position group even though experience suggests otherwise.

          In comparison, JSPC have drafted an OLer high (R1-R2) the same number of times. Each time it was to fill a specific position with a specific prospect. All 3 of those prospects remain with the team. All 3 have made significant contributions. In other words, SEA sees the logic of drafting an OLer high to fill a specific positional need and experience suggests they’re correct.

          Speaking of those 3 high OL picks – one of them is likely to be a FA casualty this off season, creating a specific need at a specific position. If Carpenter leaves, and if SEA decide to draft an OLer high, it makes most sense that they would draft a prospect to fill the need at LG, rather than create a need elsewhere at RT and try to fill that through the draft. In addition, the quality of OLers likely to be available at the end of R1 favor drafting an interior lineman as the best tackles will already be off the board. Not to mention the added difficulty of having 2 OLers learning new positions as opposed to just one.

          In the case of Rob’s mock, selecting Erving at 31 makes a lot of sense – it fills a specific need with a quality prospect, and his skill set/versatility gives SEA some flexibility going forward as he could replace Unger at C.

          • bobbyk says:

            That’s why I said it wasn’t a good example, but did get the point made. It’s easy to say Britt was a 2nd round pick, because he was, but our guys pretty much admitted last year that they were almost forced to get a RT, the last pick before the 3rd round began, because they did not have a 3rd round pick. Plus, I think Britt sucked in pass pro last year. Worse yet, I didn’t see much potential for a large amount of improvement there. Add that to his shorter arms and I see a guard.

          • John_s says:

            On Carpenter he was drafted specifically to play RT. He struggled so much that they had him practicing at Guard in addition to playing Tackle before he got hurt. Then Breno took over the RT.

            Also it’s not necessary that you have to draft a high pick to take over for Britt. As long as the guy is better than Britt it doesn’t matter if he’s a 1st rounder or a 7th rounder.

            Look at Baltimore signed UDFA James Hurst and he ended the season as one if their starting tackles and he played pretty darn well. Actually better than Britt.

            • peter says:

              how did he play better? Better at pass pro or better at run blocking where Sweezy an dBritt graded out as two of the best in the league?

  33. Attyla the Hawk says:

    I have both Erving and Fisher as strong possible Hawks picks in the 31st to 50th overall range types of picks.

    I actually felt like Erving could have been our pick at #32 last year. His demeanor/athleticism and background all struck me as strongly appealing to Cable. And I think over the last couple of years, there is enough evidence to suggest that Cable does have a strong influence in draft strategy for Seattle. Most notably, in prospects that he’s endorsed that have unfortunately been taken before we had a chance to get them.

  34. Madmark says:

    I don’t care my 1st pick is Todd Gurley if he’s there at 31 even if Lynch is signed to an extension. I don’t think he’ll make it with all the teams that need RBs right now. I’m still very high on a Ndamhkong Suh FA signee if its possible. We’ve been talking about the 3 tech position for forever. It seems to me that other than J.J. Watts you couldn’t get much better at the position than having Suh.
    In this draft of yours rob you have Gurley gone and I would have to say Cameron Erving would be a great inside guy going forward in the future but then again I thought Joel Bitino last year was a perfect fit for the Seahawks last year. I’m not going to reach for that tall receiver in the 2nd though. I would take a Tre McBride in the 2nd because I really think we need that PR/KR guy for special teams. It was the worst position last year after Tate left and I’m no longer in on the trying someone different every week. I guess I really don’t know in what direction I’m going in this draft until I see where Suh and Thomas go in FA. If they sign somewhere else then I will have a better view in which direction to go in. I think we already got the WR signed that we was looking for and I’m sure he has a chip on his shoulders. Douglas McNeil.

    • Ho Lee Chit says:

      The reason Gurley will drop to round two or beyond is because a first round pick needs to step in and start for whichever team selects him. If you take an injured player round one and put him on IR, the coach is selecting him for his replacement to utilize after the team goes 6-10. The staff has essentially forfeited their first round pick for the year.

      • Attyla the Hawk says:

        I think this is likely. But for teams picking in the 26 to 32 range — you’re already talking about complete teams. And those picks are generally kind of indistinguishable from the 33 to 45 range of prospect. So there is a real expectation that any one of the late 1st round teams can easily assume the liability of spending a first round pick on a player who won’t produce at all in 2015.

        It takes the right kind of prospect to do that. And Gurley is a player who was widely considered at least a top 15 talent. If not higher. He has been expected to be a top half of R1 player basically since his freshman season. And he’s really not done anything to lessen that up until his injury.

        Ultimately, there isn’t a whole lot of difference between being taken at #27 v. #40. If you’re a fringe top of the 2nd round prospect then there is always the strong chance a team with need will take you at the tail end of R1. Seattle has repeatedly selected players who from the draftnik perspective have 2nd round grades with their first pick. I guess outside of Okung and Thomas — every first round pick we’ve had has been that kind of pick. Even the trade for Harvin was similar as it appeared we were the only team willing to part with a 1st rounder if you believe what was said from the Minnesota side.

        Don’t get caught up in 1st/2nd round grades when it comes to Seattle. By actions and by repeated declaration, we don’t draft according to the league. We really should come to expect some 2nd round grade player in R1 by this point.

        • CD says:

          What would PC/JS do if Quinn/ATL call at #31 with Gurley still on the board, and offer up their 2016 1st for #31?

          Do you take it and go into next year with possibly #14 and #32 to package to jump forward for a top LT or top RB? Would you rely on round 2 – 7 to fill the holes for this year?

  35. CHawk Talker Eric says:

    I get the allure of a Waller. But in R2??? Based on what? His combine performance? Can’t be his game tape.

    Give me a proven WR like Agholor instead. Forget his combine performance (which was fine), this guy puts his talents on display every single game. He fights for balls, blocks downfield, works back to his QB when scrambling. Oh, and he’s among the best returners in the draft.

    • bigDhawk says:

      As Rob mocked, Byron Jone may very well have vaulted himself into the first round based purely on a combine performance. I matters.

      • SunPathPaul says:

        I agree R2 for Waller is too high… Agholor has exceptional hands! But he is a slot receiver…we need an outside WR with KR/PR skills…

        Tre McBride, Phillip Dorsett and Tyler Lockette all do both. Lockette is a film rat that might be great to pair with RW! Dorsett is the fastest WR at 4.33…and McBride seems very well rounded and focused. I think he wants to be a Seahawk by how he ran his 40’s. He ran until the building made him stop- that’s finishing!

        Byron Jones is impressive! R1 though? hmmm…

    • Rob Staton says:

      Who thought Justin Britt was going to be an option in round two a year ago?

  36. AlaskaHawk says:

    Nice mock draft Rob. I’m on board with Erving as our first pick. His versatility on the offensive line is needed. I especially like his experience at center. So start him at left guard and move him around as needed. Bailey would also do well in the guard position, the only reason I don’t suggest him as a replacement for Carpenter is that Erving will probably win that position in preseason. Bailey is most natural at left guard.

    However, just to argue the other side for a moment: what would it take for the Seahawks to pick a wide receiver, cornerback or running back at that position?

    Last year they fooled me by passing up Bitonio. And they have occasionally picked up the late round project to play guard. Are they tired of fooling around with 7th round projects? Who knows. Sweezy has been okay, though I still think his best attribute is that he doesn’t suffer injuries. Maybe they can pull another guard out of the late round hat.
    In a way I feel like they are still trying to fill a position that Bitonio would have filled so well last year.

    Wide receivers are still a worth while pick at #31. But the value is in a physically strong, posession receiver. Not in a smallish speedster. Oakland picked track stars for many years, they were speedy but it is much harder to catch the ball when you are running at mach speed. Besides, the best separation is from blown coverages or sitting in the middle of a zone seam. Speed is great but the quick speed of a small receiver is not necessarily needed. Most cornerbacks are pretty speedy too. Even our latest speed burner Richardson had trouble getting separation. I think it is more a function of pass routes then their actual speed. Because if it was speed then Boldin wouldn’t be playing and contributing the way he does.

    Cornerback, the best will be long gone. Moving up would probably cost a 2nd and 4th round pick. Not necessarily a bad investment if you think you can develop mid to late round players. It would be nice to really lock down the secondary.

    Running back, what if Gurley fell to #31? Lynch should last at least another year while Gurley finishes rehab. But then we don’t know if he will ever play as well as he did before injury. Also with his running style he will get gang tackled a lot more in the pros, with that many more chances for a reinjury.

    • bigDhawk says:

      I’m on board with Bailey being the solution at LG, post-Carp. But I’ll throw another name in the mix – Nate Isles. He is currently on our PS and in terms of just pure physical stature he is a very close comp to Carp. His pro day numbers were not great from a year ago, but if we are looking for a cheap option to be a mauling, immovable object at LG I think he deserves a look. We brought him to camp last year for a reason and he is still hanging around. His sheer size intrigued me last season with the brief look he got at RT in preseason and I am interested to see what that size could do in more of a phone booth position at LG.

  37. Dale Roberts says:

    Rob, disregarding players which have no chance to drop to 31, which player(s) might drop that the Hawks would have to take because they represent too much value to pass on even though they don’t address a need?

  38. Donald says:

    I like taking a OL at #31, but if Gurley is there the Hawks should take him. Perfect replacement for Lynch after next year and you wont find anyone with that kind of talent this late in the draft.

    Rd 2 the Hawks should move up to the middle and take Agolor or Mcbride. They have the speed and catching abilty, plus punt returner skills. No need for another tall receiver since Matthews is already on the roster and has shown he can play.

    Throw in Julius Thomas at TE and they have two tall recievers.

    • Ben says:

      Matthews has 4 catches in the NFL! How is that proven!? We have zero proven receivers over 6-1. We have one receiver that’s barely proven that is 6-1. I’m sorry, but in regards to this roster, you’re completely wrong.

  39. bigDhawk says:

    I feel wonderfully vindicated for all the Waller table-pounding I’ve done since the college season. Thanks Rob. I would do cartwheels if we landed Waller in the 2nd, and then paired him opposite Matthews on the outside. Marshawn would never see another safety in the box the rest of his career, and Russel would likely get that ‘elite’ 5K passing season everyone seems to think he needs, with a record-breaking YPA number to boot.

    Those who live in the Mel Kiper universe of draft evaluation based on value relative to the overall league will see Waller in the 2nd as a reach. But Waller won’t be playing for every team in the league. He’ll be playing for us, where he is a much better compliment to Russell’s deep ball skill set then probably any other QB, and worth a 2nd round pick – to us. Like I said above, we don’t need tall receivers like Waller and Matthews to get horizontal separation from defenders. We need them to go up and get vertical separation to haul in Russell’s sexy deep balls.

    Having two such receivers on the field at the same time to give Russell multiple deep options makes me drool , because this is exactly the type of weapon Russell needs and it will force defenses to finally respect a legit Seattle passing games, which will clear out the box for Marshawn. If defenses don’t commit safety help over the top they will get burned all game long as our twin towers go up high to snag perfectly arching deep bombs, with CBs or LBs draped all over them powerless to stop it, and committing multiple LOB-rules fouls in the process.

    Not every QB has the skill set to utilize a deep threat attack such as this, but Russel does. He could make stars out of Matthews and Waller with his elite long ball ability like Brady has made stars of Edelman and Amendola with his elite dink and dunk pocket passing ability. Waller is a fellow Virginian like Russell and I could see the two making a great combo for years.

    • Ben says:

      I think it’d be cool if later in the draft Seattle took Deandre Smelter in addition to Waller, then redshirted him. Waller’s definitely got the better upside, but I think that Smelter has more savvy and skill. He’s also got hands that are as good or better.

      • SunPathPaul says:

        I agree Ben, stashing Smelter for next year w a comp pick is genius. PREpare for future depth at WR!

        I think we can get Waller and McBride or Lockett, and we would be much more dangerous…

  40. Volume 12 says:

    I know Ereck Flowers may be off the board sooner than where he was projected in this mock due to his ability to play LT, but I wonder if Cam Erving’s versatility will appeal to more teams. We’ve seem the best C prospects that are round 1 worthy tend to go top 20.

    I really like Cam Erving, but the 1st game Seattle scouts attended this year that I know of was the Miami-Nebraska game, and I can’t help but wonder if it was for Flowers. He also has that back-story where he overcame big time adversity that Seattle’s first overall selections tend to have. IDK if Erving does or doesn’t, just something I noticed.

    Don’t think Seattle can really go wrong with Flowers, Erving, La’ el Collins, or even Jake Fisher.

    • bigDhawk says:

      Flowers is probably my favorite option of only a small handful of players I would stay at 31 for. Otherwise I would gladly field offers to move back into the second round for all those teams wanting Hundley, who is available here in Rob’s mock. Flowers would be a great run blocking LG for us, with the chance to compete at LT should we move on from Okung in 2016.

  41. Jason says:

    Rob,

    Just wanted to say thanks for all the work you do on here. Can’t be easy. The content alone over the last week would be worth a subscription.

  42. Volume 12 says:

    Rob, do you think SD St OL Terry Poole could stay at RT? Or is he a must to move inside to guard?

    I’m just curious, because he does seem to have the athleticism and length for a RT, and I could see him comparing favorably to Michael Bowie, albeit a lighter version,

  43. Ho Lee Chit says:

    I see Cameron Erving as being a lot like Steve Hutchinson. Not since we had Hutch have we had a linemen with such versatility. Drafted at #17, Hutch was the perfect partnership between raw power and finesse athleticism. He was also our second best LT on the team. I think in a few years folks will look at Erving the same way while wondering why they passed on him in the draft.

  44. […] I put out an updated mock draft yesterday — but to be honest, I have very little faith in it. I think they’re going to trade down from #31. […]

  45. Madmark says:

    Ok I’m going to draft according to my favorite measurement. The hand size. RW our QB has 10″ hands. So with that mention my draft list as follows:
    Todd Gurley RB Georgia 10″ hands, 1st round
    Cameron Erving G/C Florida ST. 10.35″ hands 1st round
    Trade back early 2nd get
    Carl Davis DT Iowa 11″Hands early 2nd round
    if a miss on Erving then a Ty Sambrailo OT Colorado ST’ (move to guard) 10″ hands. end of 2nd round
    here I go again on a TE Clive Walford TE Miami 10 1/4″ hands for 3rd round.
    Christian Covington DT Rice 10″hands’ comp 3ed round.
    Kurtis Drummond FS Mighigan ST 10 3/8″ hands 4th round.
    big hand usually means better handling of the football. without FA yet this is my draft so far