http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEwGbfY8rQ8
To date, Seattle has acquired and then started (at least one game) the following players at offensive tackle (numbers are from their combine measurements):
Tyler Polumbus: 6’7½”, 300
Breno Giacomini: 6’7⅛, 303
Paul McQuistan: 6’6⅛”, 312
Russell Okung: 6’5¼”, 307
James Carpenter: 6’4⅜”, 321
Frank Omiyale: 6’4¼”, 310
Only two of these six players stand under 6’5″. Of those two, Carpenter weighed 321 pounds (and has since ballooned well about that number). Omiyale compensated for his height with 36″ arms and a slightly above median weight (based on the 2013 tackle group). Omiyale has only played one season here (as a backup) and remains a free agent.
I mention this because David Bakhtiari (pronounced Bock-T-are-E) impressed the heck out of me when I watched his compilation vs. USC (above), and yet he stands just 6’4¼” and weighed in at just 299 pounds, the lightest out of 30 tackles at the combine. If Seattle drafted him, he’d be tied for the shortest tackle acquired during the current Seahawks regime, and he’d also be the lightest.
It might be a bit much to label Bakhtiari a “mauler”, but he has excellent hand placement, lightning quick feet, superb leverage and plays with a very high motor. He may not “destroy” blockers, but he consistently moves them. I was stunned to see that he only ran a 5.1 in the 40 yard dash, as he’s one of the best tackles in this draft class at attacking the second level. His combination of traits would be ideal in a pure zone, with enough power to work in our power zone system. Despite weighing just 299 pounds, Bakhtiari managed 28 reps on the bench press. Only 4 out of 30 tackles posted better during the combine.
While Bakhtiari is short for the position, his 34″ arms are adequate for either tackle spot. While he doesn’t handle the bull rush quite as well as guys like Menelik Watson and Jordan Mills do, he handles pressure around the edge better. He played left tackle for Colorado and looks like a natural pass protector.
He’s well spoken and comes across as highly intelligent in this press conference from last September. Some scouting departments give this fairly significant weight as offensive line can require a lot of learning/quick thinking and by extension, intelligence. He displays maturity beyond his years and knows exactly what he’s signing up for by pursuing the NFL.
There aren’t a ton of 6’4″ starting tackles in the NFL, so invariably when you find a 6’4″ tackle prospect the automatic comparison is Jordan Gross of the Carolina Panthers, a two-time pro-bowler. Bakhtiari makes a stronger case than most, however.
Gross (at the 2003 combine) is on the left, Bakhtiari on the right:
Height: 6’4½” / 6’4¼”
Weight: 300 / 299
Arm Length: 33¼” / 34″
40 time: 5.05 / 5.10
Bench Press: 28 / 28
Gross didn’t just manage to play tackle in the NFL, he’s been a left tackle for ten NFL seasons, and was a major contributor to Carolina’s turnaround in the running game during that period.
A three year starter for Colorado, Bakhtiari declared as an underclassman, perhaps motivated by Colorado’s 1-11 season in 2012. He played left tackle the last two seasons. As a freshman, he played right tackle across from then left tackle Nate Solder. Bakhtiari never played inside, but given his size, quickness, work ethic and intelligence, it’s widely believed that he could transition inside. According to Bakhtiari, he’s been approached by teams asking him about playing guard or even center, despite his lack of experience playing those positions. That potential for versatility will definitely help his case with Seattle.
Jordan Gross was the 8th overall pick in the 2013 draft, but David Bakhtiari isn’t even listed on Tony Pauline’s top 160 or even ranked in NFLDraftScout’s database. I’d personally feel very comfortable giving Bakhtiari a 2nd round grade based on that compilation against USC, but he might not leave the board until the 5th or 6th round. He might offer a great value option should the Seahawks opt to address tackle later in the draft.
Mixed tape for me – flashes well at times and others he whiff’s on his run blocking assignment. The rest of his OL is not pretty so it’s hard to tell exactly what his QB could have avoided had he not been under so much duress everywhere else in pass blocking. Why not take a flyer in the late rounds?
Interesting guy. Looks the part and has the USC connection going for him. This is fun having such a solid team with so few glaring holes to fill that you can make a compelling case for so many different players at #56. Kaseem Greene? Sure why not. Eddy Lacey? I can see it working. Zach ertz? Gives RW3 another elite weapon. Brandon Williams? I wouldn’t hate it. Margus Hunt? A reach or another shrewd gamble by a great talent evaluator? It wouldn’t shock me. We could go so many different ways in this draft and come up with a player that would make sense to me. My personal choice? Every time I pick one you guys change my mind with another great article! Thanks for making this off season the best one ever and keep em coming!
I feel the same way, it seems like every week I’m finding a new player worth being excited about.
David Bakhtiari didn’t play for USC though. : )
Could he be the swing tackle of my dreams? As flush as we are at guard, we need depth at tackle and if we could cover both tackle spots at once that would be peachy.
What do you think of David Quessenberry out of San Jose State? He impressed at the Senior Bowl and was mentioned as one of the top performers along with Lane Johnson and Eric Fisher. He’s 6-5 300 lbs so he also fits the size standard of the position.
David Quessenberry seams like he would make a better guard than tackle. His feet are a little stagnant at times. More of a mauler type guy. I think he could be a really good guard. Reminds me of Steve Hutchinson. Weird, just got that feel about him. In that case, he would be a good guy to bring in, if he is willing to work.
Found out a little more about Quessenberry. Walk on at SJSU, redshirted his Freshman year to put on weight. Gained about 30lbs in that year, played mostly special teams at first, and tight end. Been the starting LT since his RS Sophmore year. Says that playing at SJSU, they play with a chip on their shoulder, because their aren’t blue chip recruits out of high school. Kid had a great attitude in the 10 min interview. I would support him being selected as a guard and a back up tackle.
Here we go Kip! Really like this guy on this film, I’ll have to find some more tape. From what I see, that fits what I think Cable likes, would have to be the work ethic and very high motor David Bakhtiari comes with. If he was 2 inches taller, he may be a lot higher rated prospect. I think Cable would pound the table for this guy, especially late in the draft. He can get stronger, he has the frame for it. He fires off the snap, which I think makes him look a little faster than he is, but his forty time isn’t horrible. He is the type of lineman that will wear out the guys on the other side. They will have to keep up with his effort. If not, he will get in their heads and draw penalties. He clearly frustrates guys in this tape, because he plays through the whistle. Has the nastiness it takes to be great on the OL. Would like to see his footwork on the right side of the line. That would be a ? on fitting a starting role with our team. He would be very good in the zone scheme. Nice find, I’ll have to adjust my big board a little.
Kip, I read your article awhile back suggesting one of the players the Seahawks needed to come out of the draft with was John Simon. Has your opinion changed since we don’t have a 1st round pick? I look at him as a 3rd round pick personally, but I wanted to get your take on him.
Nothing’s changed. I’d do a flip if Seattle drafted him anywhere in the draft.
Giacomini was average at best and overpaid. The Hawks have a lot of very promising young linemen, but they are all guards. McQuistan could play RT if Carpenter is healthy and takes the LG spot. Carroll gives Tom Cable at least one pick a year – last year it was a low pick with Sweazy in the 7th, so I wouldn’t be surprised with an OT pick as high as 4th.
Bahktiari isn’t projected as a 2nd round guy. He would probably be available in the 5th round, possibly even the 7th.
Although he declared for the draft after his third season, he redshirted his first year, so academically and as far as body development he is a senior. He was voted “best interview” by the Colorado media.
From his CU bio page:
AT COLORADO: 2012 (Jr.)—
-He earned second-team All-Pac 12 honors from the league coaches for a second straight year
-tabbed second-team Pac-12 by Phil Steele’s College Football and collegesportsmadness.com.
-first-team All-Colorado performer as selected by the state’s chapter of the National Football Foundation for the second time as well
-co-recipient of the John Mack Award as the team’s most outstanding offensive player.
-CU’s beat media also selected him as the co-winner of the Best Interview Award.
-started 11 games at left offensive tackle (missing the Oregon game with a slight knee sprain, though he traveled and tried to make a go of it in pregame).
-He graded out as the team’s top lineman at 89.8 percent, with 655 “plus” plays out 729 total.
-He was second on the team in “will-breaker” blocks with 41 (similar to pancakes, but tougher to earn)
-allowed just two-and-a-half quarterback sacks and only one pressure, with two direct touchdown blocks and over three dozen downfield blocks.
-He graded out above 80 percent in all 11 games he appeared, with a season-best of 92.5 percent grade against Washington State.
-He was on the official watch lists for both the Outland Trophy (one of 18 offensive tackles and 71 players listed overall) and the Lombardi Award (one of 128 on its list).
-Phil Steele’s College Football placed him on its preseason first-team All-Pac 12 squad and ranked him as the No. 29 tackle in the nation
-Athlon’s, Blue Ribbon Yearbook, ESPN.com and Lindy’s Sports also selected him on their first-team All-Pac 12 units.
2011 (Soph.)—
-He earned second-team All-Pac 12 honors from the league coaches, Phil Steele’s College Football and collegesportsmadness.com
-was a second-team sophomore All-American by collegefootballnews.com
-first-team All-Colorado performer as selected by the state’s chapter of the National Football Foundation.
-He started 11 games at left offensive tackle
-he suffered a severe knee sprain on just the seventh offensive play of the game in the season opener at Hawai’i and missed the next two games (Cal, CSU).
-He graded out to 84.4 percent for the season, second highest of all the offensive linemen
-played 532 plus plays out of 630 total snaps despite the knee injury
-he had 21 “great effort” blocks, two touchdown blocks and 12 downfield blocks
-allowed just two quarterbacks sacks and three pressures
-he was called for just one penalty all year.
-His top game grade was 90.4 percent at Ohio State, his first game back after the injury
-graded out to 80 percent or better in nine of his 11 games.
-He entered the fall atop the depth chart at left tackle, as he switched over from the right side where he played as a redshirt freshman
-he basically was groomed to replace CU consensus All-American and Outland Trophy finalist Nate Solder on the left side.
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Virtually every right tackle in the league is average at best. That’s why they play right tackle instead of left.
Ummm yeah, I thought everyone knew that, but thanks for the input.
Giacomini is average at best – with very heavy emphasis on “at best” – for a *right tackle*.
Keith Myers of 12th Man Rising makes a good case against Giwcomini:
http://12thmanrising.com/2013/03/24/reassessing-the-value-of-breno-giacomini/
Excerpt:
Myth 1: He’s a road grader in the running game.
He’s not. Giacomini ended the year with a negative performance rating in run blocking. He was also 32st of 43 full time offensive tackles in run blocking. If you remove the left tackles from the list (which are usually there for their pass blocking) it looks even worse. There were only four right tackles in the NFL that ended the season with a worse performance rating for run blocking.
While run blocking might be his strength, he’s still in the bottom 25% in the NFL.
Myth 2: His pass blocking isn’t that bad for a right tackle.
The above data is pretty clear. He’s among the worst pass blockers in the entire NFL. Even if you look at only right tackles (which are usually not as good as left tackles in terms of pass blocking) it’s still bad. Only two starting right tackles finished with lower pass blocking performance ratings.
Myth 3: His penalty problems got better over the course of the season.
The data doesn’t support this. He had seven penalties in the first half, and five in the second half. He had a negative performance score for penalties in five games in the first half, and four in the second half. That sounds like improvement, but it isn’t statistically significant (which means that the change isn’t enough that it can’t be distinguished from random variance).
The real change was the number of penalty yards given up. Instead of 15 yard personal foul penalties, he was giving up 10 yard holding penalties and 5 yard false start penalties. This leads to the perception that the penalty situation is improved much more than it might have been.
There are more pressing needs than Breno. He’s not a top tier tackle, but he’s good enough. Based on my own analysis of watching Breno play, I think what you’ve written is fairly inaccurate. He isn’t a horrible blocker in pass pro or running. He’s just a lunchpail kind of guy. Every offensive line in the league has one.
I didn’t write that. The analysis is by Keith Myers of 12th Man Rising. Please follow the link above.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion from observing how Giacomini plays, but Myers makes a vastly superior case, imo. He compares *43* offensive tackles – those who played at least 75% of the snaps – using numbers from Pro Football Focus, maybe the most rigorous web site for football analysis, who carefully grade *every* player on *every* play.
Actually, you just gave a personal opinion, but you haven’t made your case yet, so I might be jumping to conclusions too soon. I would love to hear your reasoning and analysis on why you think Giacomini is so good.
The Seahawks have so much talent, they don’t really have any pressing “needs”. Just from another year of growth of the amazing number of young players, they could win the Super Bowl with what they had at the end of last season. The two question marks are weakside LB, where Malcolm Smith is fully capable of being a good starter, imo, and it is still possible that Leroy Hill wil come back given that no charges have been filed agaist him yet – and of course, right tackle.
Keith Myers made a very compelling case against Giacomini, so unless you have better arguments, I would have to say right tackle is currently the weakest position for the Seahawks.
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PFF’s ratings don’t account for growth. Giacomini was Very Very good towards the end of the year. He held his own in one on one situations against some of the best DE’s in the league. We can only expect improvement next year. This was his first full year of starting if I’m not mistaken. Basically, you regurgitated someone else’s opinion and then chastised someone else for offering their own analysis. Football goes beyond numbers. That’s a concept that seperates the average analyst from the top of the shelf ones like Kip and Rob. On Seahawks Draft Blog we respect eachother’s opinions and I respect Keith Meyers’. If you want to be belligerent, take your candy ass over to bleacher report and enjoy yourself.
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Thanks dude.
If ya smell-la-la-la-la!… what the Sloth… is cookin’…
I don’t think Breno is a hinderance to a point where I feel he is a detriment towards our chances of winning the Super Bowl.
The only game I watched where I came away saying “wow, Breno got worked today” was the last game of the year against the Rams, and he did have a bad game. My own eyeball test for Breno basically left me saying he’s good enough. If he can be replaced, great. But he’s not THAT bad and you can most certainly win the Super Bowl with him playing RT.
I’m sorry but looking at stats and saying ‘Breno is horrible’ is what someone with an agenda does. I watched him hold his own against the OLB’s of AZ, I watched him play solid football against DeMarcus Ware and Clay Matthews. I’m not going to let stats determine if a guy can or can’t play.
Nice post.
For me, I feel like there is an important distinction between being horrible and getting beat. I’m going off memory, which means I could be wrong, but what I remember was typical Breno going up against an in-the-zone Chris Long. Chris Long had the best game of a very good season that week. He was a force. It didn’t at all seem like Breno was making him look good.
As far as my eyeball test for Breno, I thought he was very inconsistent. I did tape analysis for all 22 games last season (including preseason) over at Seahawks.net. During the preseason, he was our best lineman. He was seriously dominant. I thought he was going to have a huge breakout season. Instead, it just ended up a “hot streak” and he was hit and miss all year.
There were a few times sprinkled throughout the regular season where Giacomini looked terrific, but there were also games where he had multiple penalties, and no amount of dominance can make up for 40 yards in penalties and all the punts those penalties resulted in.
Granted, MANY of the penalties against Breno were pure bullshit, especially some of the “late hit” calls that were done before the whistle blew. That said, he had many flagrant offenses and there were times I was sure he’d get suspended for a game, but he got away with it because the NFL didn’t seem to care enough to do anything.
I think Breno needs to find a happy medium where he can continue to play and excel at intense levels while having the discipline to avoid a mountain of penalties. It appeared to me that he was on that path in the second half of the season. To be honest, I was a little surprised to learn that Seattle is targeting an offensive tackle “earlier than you might think”, I figured that Giacomini would be the future here. I guess we’ll find out.
Where did the line about targeting an OT early come from?
It was the source that said they’d target Jordan Mills “earlier than you’d think”. Mills had a 3-5 round projection at the time. Before that, most of us assumed that tackle would be a late round priority. I am guilty of connecting the dots here.
I forget the source. It was probably from rotoworld.
Maybe it was full of crap, but given the way free agency went, spending a high-ish pick on a tackle in an excellent tackle class makes a great deal of sense.
Also, the Rams blitz’d a TON that game. It was a lot for any OLine to handle. Make no mistake t he Rams front four is dynamite. And jeff Fisher is a great defensive coach. They were exotic and relentless. He mmore than did a standard job.
“Ummm yeah, I thought everyone knew that, but thanks for the input.”
Lose the attitude, it’s not how we roll over here.
I don’t know Keith Myers and I don’t know where he got his data from — although if he’s using PFF, he might want to explain why Earl Thomas was ranked something like 29th for safety’s by those guys at one stage last year..
I don’t pay much attention to stats for offensive lineman. After all, if a QB sacks himself on the right side but you could kind of make a case the right tackle ‘could’ve’ blocked the guy, it’s a black mark. There’s too much wiggle room for interpretation. It also doesn’t take into account bad games. If you have 4 penalties and three sacks one week against an elite opponent who blitzes a lot, then nothing for the next three, it over emphasises a bad week.
What I do know watching the games is that he was superb in the second half of the season protecting against elite pass rushers and was part of one of the best run blocking lines in the NFL. What’s more, Schneider, Carroll and Cable seem to really like the guy. That’s good enough for me.
I love PFF, but like you say, it’s interpretive. It’s a lot like saying I’m a huge fan of Roger Ebert, but that doesn’t mean I’ll always like the movies that make his 4 star list. I generally think PFF is right on the money most of the time, but they definitely have their “uh, wtf?” moments.
It’s not that easy to disentangle OL performance, but football outsiders had us #1 in the NFL running off right tackle. We also run behind the right tackle the second most of anyone in the league, so we’re clearly doing something right on those plays. Now some of the performance is due to Miller’s blocking (and some due to Marshawn and to the read option threat, even though these stats try to isolate the line’s contribution from the back’s), but it just doesn’t pass the smell test to say we get league-best outcomes running behind him (a key factor in our overall run success) but that Breno’s a subpar run blocker.
Oh, plus this was a fantastic FA crop for right tackles (Eric Winston is still out there, probably for cheap, and is a great fit), and I didn’t hear even the slightest rumor of us in on anyone. That seems a pretty clear vote of confidence in Breno.
Great post. I didn’t realize FO tracked run blocking by position.
“Bahktiari isn’t projected as a 2nd round guy. He would probably be available in the 5th round, possibly even the 7th. ”
I know, that’s why in the article I said I’d PERSONALLY give him a 2nd round grade, but also acknowledged that he’d probably be a round 5-6 pick. Sometimes very good players end up getting picked much later than they should. One of my favorite safeties in 2010 was Reshad Jones. I had a 2nd round grade on him and he went in the late 5th. Now he’s making pro-bowl snub lists and will probably be a pro-bowler next year if he continues his level of play.
I don’t know if Bahktiari fits Cable. I do know that if we get him in the 5th or 6th round, I’ll be very happy about it.
In the upper rounds, I have a feeling that the Seahawks will go after a “playmaker” at OLB, WR or RB.
I’m pretty sure Lattimore or Lacy won’t be there towards the bottom of the 2nd because everyone rates them near the top. (Lacy is at the very top of Mayock’s RB list and will surely go in the 1st.) But if either is there, the Hawks should snap them up.
Robert Woods is still the man, imo, and the best WR in the draft. It’s odd that he has been ranked so low by so many people. Everone says that he was by far the most polished receiver at the combine, running by far the best routes, with the best technique and the best hands. He was on Steve Mariuchi’s TV show “Game Changers” that featured 4 or 5 of the top receiver candidates including Cordarelle Patterson and Kenny Stills and his skill and knowledge were clearly head and shoulders above the rest. During the interview portions, he seemed more mature and intelligent and during the drills was always the first in line and answered all the questions when the group was asked how that route was supposed to be run. He has had the best training possible in high school — Serra High School in Gardena had Woods, Marqise Lee and George Farmer at the same time, so someone was doing something right in coaching receivers – and college where he had NFL caliber receiver coaches.
Woods was truly great and amazing his first two seasons at USC. I thought he was the best Pac-10 receiver I had ever seen at the time, although Marquise Lee turned out to be even better. His sophomore year, Woods broke the PC-12 record for receptions in a season and was on everyone’s first team All-amercan list. But he had surgery on his ankle after the season and Lane Kiffin put all the focus on Lee the next season and Woods’ production went down. But the first two seasons clearly showed what a great receiver he was.
For some reason, he is considered slow although he ran the same time as AJ Green did a couple years ago – 4.5 – and Green was considered a “burner” (literally the word applied to Green by many in the media.) Woods ran two unofficial 4.4 times but was given a 4.51 official time at the combine. You know, if he was a 4.47 he would be considered fast, even though it is only 3 *hundreths* of a second faster. He was a national caliber track guy in college and an All-American track guy in high school, but in the 200 and 400 meters. Look at the video, he runs like a deer – it looks as smooth and effortless as anyone I have ever seen. And they say he is more quick than fast, that he can create separation when he wants to.
Because of guys like Randy Moss and Terrell Owens, there is too much of an emphasis on pure speed. Robert Woods might not be a 4.3 guy, but he is the most skiiled receiver in the draft. He is a play maker who will make the clutch third down and touchdown catches. He will be a winner like other receivers who were not super, super fast but who were skilled, with great attitudes: Jerry Rice, Lynn Swann, Steve Largent, Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Irvin, Isaac Bruce, Chris Carter, Hines Ward, Anquan Boldin, Wes Welker. (See 40 yard dash times below.)
Robert Woods is like those greats in the list. Because he is already polished and “fast enough” and “tall enough” he has almost no downside. Because of his obvious skill, he will be at least an above average NFL starting receiver, probably much better. There is a lot of risk with the 4.3 guys because many of them turn out to be “bums” as Keyshawn Johnson refers to them, who never pick-up the skills.
I was kinda glad that Woods was so overlooked, because Pete Carroll, who recruited Woods and knows how good he is, might have a chance of trading up and snagging him, but a lot of people are realizing how good he is. I would be very surprised now if Woods is not a first round pick. Division rivals, Minnessota and Green Bay are highly interested. (Minnessota could very well use the pick from the Seahawks on Woods) There are other former Pac-12 guys like Jim Harbaugh and Chip Kelly who have coached against and know Woods.. His USC sophomore receivers coach Ted Gilmore is now with the Raiders and his freshman coach John Morton has been with Harbaugh and the 49ers. I would really hate to see Harbaugh snag Woods, but luckily, the 49ers used their first round pick last year on a receiver who has so far not panned out. But the 49ers have a lot of picks and could manufacture another first rounder.
40 yard dash times:
Anquan Boldin 4.71
Jerry Rice 4.71
Steve Largent 4.65
Wes Welker 4.65
Larry Fitzgerald 4.63
Chris Carter 4.58
Danny Amendola 4.58
Hines Ward 4.55
Michael Crabtree 4.54
Dez Bryant 4.53
Isaac Bruce 4.53
Michael Irvin 4.52
Lynn Swann 4.51
Robert Woods 4.51
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Lattimore will last until at least the 4th… no one is going to take a RB with a devasting knee injury very highly, only to place him on IR for at least one year, which is likely what will happen.
The odds are on Lattimore’s side. There are exceptions of course, but most knee injuries like his heal just fine in about 9 months.
Buffalo took a chance on Willis McGahee by drafting him in the first round in 2003 and that turned out to be a brilliant move. Treatment of knee injuries has improved significantly since then and the prognosis on Lattimore’s recovery is excellent, far more optimistic than the outlook for McGahee in 2003.
Lattimore could be the most talented running back coming out of college in several years. A team like the Seahawks without critical needs or the 49ers who have a lot of draft choices, or the Patriots or many other teams, can afford to take a chance on him. I would drop dead in total shock if Lattimore lasted until the fourth round. It is just not going to happen, imo.
What you’re forgetting Bob is that this isn’t Marcus’ first significant knee injury. This is the 2nd year in a row he’s blown it out and that is a red flag of a guy who may not be able to hold up in the NFL. It’s the reason Walter Thurmond fell to us in the 4th round of the 2010 draft. A borderline 1st round talent who couldn’t stay on the field and has subsequently not stayed healthy with the Hawks.
Lattimore is a 1st round talent, but I really don’t think he goes in the first three rounds. That knee is going to have teams concerned.
I think McGahee was a much better prospect pre-injury as well, but that’s just my opinion.
That said, I do think the McGahee analogy works in that Buffalo was criticized for overdrafting McGahee in the 1st round. I have a hunch that some team will overdraft Lattimore near the end of round 2, perhaps the 49ers.
I think mid 3rd – 4th round is where he will go myself.
Right on all counts except Lattimore. He’ll be at most a 3rd round pick.
Larry Fitzgerald ran a 4.48 at his pro day at 6’2″ and 225 lbs.
I meant the general ideas. But yeah, that, too
Looks like he got 4.63 from wikipedia. I love wikipedia, but they are notoriously bad specifically when it comes to accuracy with NFL 40 times. I always check first with NFL draft scout now to confirm old combine numbers.
I appreciate the passion for Seahawks football and the effort here. Before I was writing articles I was leaving huge in depth comments like this one.