Shon Coleman has top-10 potential
#1 Joey Bosa (DE, Ohio State)
#2 Robert Nkemdiche (DE, Ole Miss)
#3 Laremy Tunsil (T, Ole Miss)
#4 Tre’Davious White (CB, LSU)
#5 Jaylon Smith (LB, Notre Dame)
#6 Shon Coleman (T, Auburn)
#7 Laquon Treadwell (WR, Ole Miss)
#8 Paxton Lynch (QB, Memphis)
#9 Cameron Sutton (CB, Tennessee)
#10 Jack Conklin (T, Michigan State)
#11 Eli Apple (CB, Ohio State)
#12 Taylor Decker (T, Ohio State)
#13 Michael Thomas (WR, Ohio State)
#14 Reggie Ragland (LB, Alabama)
#15 Tyler Boyd (WR, Pittsburgh)
#16 Kendall Fuller (CB, Virginia Tech)
#17 Adolphus Washington (DT, Ohio State)
#18 Germain Ifedi (T, Texas A&M)
#19 Jalen Ramsey (CB/S, Florida State)
#20 DeForest Buckner (DE, Oregon)
#21 Darron Lee (LB, Ohio State)
#22 Braxton Miller (WR, Ohio State)
#23 Corey Coleman (WR, Baylor)
#24 Ronnie Stanley (T, Notre Dame)
#25 Will Redmond (CB, Mississippi State)
#26 Jared Goff (QB, California)
#27 Su’a Cravens (S, USC)
#28 Eric Striker (LB, Oklahoma)
#29 A’Shawn Robinson (DT, Alabama)
#30 Ezekiel Elliott (RB, Ohio State)
#31 Myles Jack (LB, UCLA)
#32 De’Runnya Wilson (WR, Mississippi State)
1. It was tempting to put Shon Coleman in the top five as the best offensive lineman in college football. For the last weeks he has been the best. Laremy Tunsil will return from suspension for Ole Miss against Texas A&M. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now that he can finish the season strongly. Coleman is legit though and could overtake him. It’s astonishing that nobody talks about him. For weeks he’s been excellent — and he saved his best showing for Kentucky last week. Whether he plays guard or tackle, Coleman is a fantastic prospect and he’s massively underrated. Ronnie Stanley also had a good performance against USC and warranted some attention this week.
2. It’s still early days but there’s potential for a flurry of offensive lineman to leave the board early. The real strength of the draft could be O-line, cornerback and receiver. All three are likely need positions for the Seahawks. Do they have to replace Russell Okung? Even if he’s re-signed they could use an upgrade at left guard, center and right tackle (Coleman, Conklin & Decker arguably suit a switch to the right). Jermaine Kearse is a free agent, Doug Baldwin is a free agent in 2016 and none of the rest of the group have really stepped up. Is there enough talent at corner to persuade the Seahawks to consider an early investment instead of the usual fifth round flier? Tre’Davious White, Cameron Sutton and Eli Apple lead a terrific crop of corners.
3. We’ve talked a lot about Paxton Lynch but he continues to make giant strides towards being the top QB in this class. Technically he’s showing week-to-week improvement. Against a first-rate Ole Miss team he made several outstanding plays. One example was a four-read progression before an accurate dart to the outside for a third down conversion. His third score was a beautiful (yet safe) deep-ball to the back-shoulder. His interception (first of the season) came on a tipped pass that should’ve been caught. He didn’t come close to another turnover. Teams will look at his flaws and feel they’re much more fixable than the other players eligible for this class. He also has a signature win in the bank too. If Memphis keeps winning — Lynch’s stock will sky rocket.
4. Whatever the Seahawks do early, keep an eye on Eric Striker throughout this process. He has a natural feel for the game with excellent athleticism. He set an Oklahoma record for career sacks by a linebacker and he’s won games for the Sooners. He roams around the field and just seems to be constantly around the ball making plays. Bruce Irvin is going to be a tough keep for the Seahawks and Kevin Pierre-Louis didn’t exactly excel against Carolina. Striker is a passionate, outspoken and highly motivated individual. After watching him for the last three seasons he really gives off a ‘Hawks vibe. Can he go in day one? Maybe, depending on his combine. If he’s there in rounds 2-3 he could be a genuine option for Seattle.
5. It’s another group of outstanding receivers. Laquon Treadwell has soft hands, excellent body control, the ability to make difficult catches look easy and he’s enough of a size/speed athlete to warrant early first round attention. Michael Thomas is big and fast and made a huge statement with his stop-and-go domination of Kendall Fuller. Tyler Boyd is Percy Harvin-lite (without the headaches) while Braxton Miller is possibly the best player ‘in space’ in this class. Baylor’s Corey Coleman has made endless plays all year and he’s a stunning athlete — but he needs to stop mailing in snaps when he knows he isn’t getting the ball. De’Runnya Wilson is a basketball player with great size. He has a few mental drops but he’s in the Kelvin Benjamin class in terms of potential.
Quick thought on the Seahawks
They just have to execute. It sounds simple. Yet if they execute in the previous two weeks like we know they’re capable, this is a 4-2 team. They should’ve won in St. Louis too — and could’ve won in Green Bay. This is a loaded roster rich in talent.
Last year they went to San Francisco and snatched away any chance the 49ers had of the post-season. Time for history to repeat itself.
Forget the negativity. Move forward. One win ignites the season.
1-0 from here on out. Don’t even think of playoffs. Just 1-0.
Assuming we draft 20+ (hopefully 32), how do you see the talent stack up for best option:
1st DT
2nd OT
or
1st OT
2nd DT
Not a fan of the DT’s.
That’s not good. We need a push inside. Rubin and Mebane probably gone, Hill always hurt. Other ideas? Clark fulltime?
I think there’s a chance Mebane stays. The middle rounds usually provide some options, they just aren’t clear yet. But since Harold Brantley’s car crash/injury there’s not been a single DT I’ve seen that’s looked interesting in R1-2.
Rob,
what do you think of Florida DT Jonathan Bullard in round 2?
Bit early.
With Adolphus Washington sitting at #17 on the big board, the way this season is going so far, looks like that could be where Seattle is picking, and a versatile DT that can play 3 tech and 5 tech, and do either as an every down player, has to be something they would be consider strongly, even if they do bring back Mebane and or Rubin. Sheldon Day in Round 2 would be interesting too. They got pushed around by Carolina’s run game pretty good up front. Depth needs to be addressed, I think they may go DT earlier this year.
Adolphus Washington excluding. I have him going to Seattle in Rd 1 if Coleman is not available. He could be the starting 3-Tech for a long time.
I agree that Bane will be back another yr with Rubin hopefully. Eventually, Bane will be gone, not until he retires a Hawk though. He’s one of the most underrated players in the game.
The DT I hope will replace him in a few years is Daylon Mack 6-1 340 FR @ Texas A&M. He reminds me of Mebane when he first came out of Cal, quick penetration into the backfield, standing up against double team and not budging. Perfect mirror pick for the hawks.
NDT is lacking in this draft. Hill can spell Bane until then. I hope his trend of injuries doesn’t continue though. If so, they may need more help sooner.
Yeah, here’s another reason why I think the Seahawks might go DT early, and may even double dip in rounds 3 through 5. Before RW3’s big contract, Seattle could afford $3mill plus short terms deals on veteran DT’s on top of Mebane’s $5mill plus contract. Not sure they are going to be able to afford that as much now. They could resign one, maybe both, and Hill could step in for one of them, but his injury history has to be a big concern now. They don’t have depth him, and not sure they can afford to bring in an addition Vet. That’s why Tony McDaniel is gone. I also think relying on Mike B to slide inside as often as they do is going to continue wearing him out. If Adolphus Washington is sitting at their pick, I think it’s pretty likely they would take him. A’shawn Robinson could come in and be an early down 3 tech, as well.
Unlike many others, I also think it is more likely they try to retain Okung as there is not a LT replacement on the roster, and I am going to guess they are getting tired of constantly replacing 2/5s of the O line every year. I can see them letting Sweezy go because they have Glowinski, who I think they like. I can see them drafting a RT relatively high, or an OG maybe shift Britt back to tackle, or C. I think it’s pretty likely one O-lineman goes pretty high, like DT, I think they double dip there in middle rounds.
Another DT that I think is interesting is Sheldon Rankins from Louisville. He’s built like Hill and Mebane, and has a knack for making plays behind the line of scrimmage. I think he could probably play with the 1 and 3 tech. Wouldn’t be shocked if a player like that gets picked up within round 3 and 4.
Bottom line is this team is struggling in the trenches. They got the playmakers, They need big war horses.
My response is why mess with a great formula? The Seahawks are clearly strong at identifying cheaper veterans who provide immense value. Why spend premium draft capital when they have consistently filled these roles (and very well) on the cheap.
Adolphus is a perfect fit for their scheme, a gap penetrator in the backfield with a constant motor, that can holdup against the run. They’re hard to find, especially as a FA. Cost would be to high on the market for Adolphus’ skills.
Nice to see Baylor WR Corey Coleman on the big board.
Are you coming around on Ronnie Stanley? While I agree he’s always been overrated, he has the look and rumored athleticism that could appeal to Seattle.
Eric Striker is and will continue to be one of my favorite prospects in this class. He can do a little bit of everything, and as you mentioned his competitve attitude and intensity seem to say ‘Seahawk kind of prospect.’
Not really changed my view on Stanley — but he was better vs USC. I’m willing to soften my stance when he plays that way. Still think he’s a bit overrated.
Rob, what do you make of ‘Bama DB Eddie Jackson?
Not spent much time on him.
I will be heart broken if our first four picks are not all linemen, we really need a good center and two tackles, and we are in desperate need of another DT.
For me anything other than:
Offensive Tackle First-
Defensive Tackle of Center Second-
And then 2 linemen in the Third- is unacceptable to me.
This team needs to get better in the trenches, but I think signing Irvin is a must over Sweezy and Okung.
How about an Oline of:
Shon Coleman – Mark Glowinski – Austin Blythe – Kristjan Sokoli – Joe Haeg
All great linemen in college (save Sokoli who has the athletic potential and has been studying the zbs for a season with Glowinski). It would be a young line but seriously set for a number of years.
By the way where is Heag projected to go?
Nic, I think Joe Haeg has a bit of Ty Sambrailo kind of range. Probably a late 2nd-4th round prospect. But, if continues to grade out highy and tests well at the combine, that could change and vault his stock.
I think he could be a great pick for us in the third, perhaps we take the best center in the board in the second and take a dt with a 3rd comp pick.
Would you also say it’s unacceptable if the team reaches in the draft and blows a load of picks forcing the situation?
The Seahawks don’t need even more inexperience on the line. They need some savvy vets up front who know how to get the job done. Grizzled, proven performers. Going OT in round one is extremely possible but not if the right players aren’t there.
Early look is that OT will be both a value and a possibility. If we are picking in the 20s, have to believe that there will be guys worthy of playing the RT spot there. Just seems to be so many decent prospects this year that can fill that role.
I’m with you on not just grabbing a bunch of rookies for the OL, though. I’d like to see a CB/WR in the first three rounds. We’ll see how Richardson looks upon his return, but I’m thinking more of a guy to replace Kearse. Not one of the big guys, not one of the quick guys, but a guy right in the middle who is just Kearse, but better. We already have Baldwin and Lockett as quick guys, and I’m starting to think a taller WR like D. Wilson or M. Thomas would just be wasted on Russell.
We don’t need more wideouts. This would be a huge mistake. Taking advantage of a talented crop of corners while your own reserves are thin (no one is anything special outside of Sherman and Simon) is not a bad idea at all. Kearse leaving seems weird to me, it’s hard for me to imagine him having much of a market, or a breakout on another team like Tate pulled off. I can see linebacker an early draft choice. I still stand by what I said earlier though, we need to build up both lines, o line needs a complete makeover and d line needs some added push in the middle, possibly much more than we need backup cbs and slot guys. Signing Lane or Burley shouldn’t be hard, and Smith might also come along as a capable slot corner back. Right now Shead just isn’t very good.
I agree completely Rob.
I am fine with the Hawks taking a Tackle in the first round but I hope they look to Free Agency to sure up the Guard and Center spots and resign Okung.
The last think we need is a bunch of more rookies trying to start and learn on the fly. A 1st round tackle like Coleman on the right side would be perfect.
I still say the team biggest mistake this offseason was not signing Mathis and Wisnewski when they were here on visits. This would be a much different offense and team if they had. Sad because both signed cheap.
Seattle’s never taken a DT before round 3 and I just can’t see them picking one before then. IMO ‘Bane or Rubin will be re-signed, they’ll probably add a DeMarcus Dobbs type in FA, and a Tony McDaniel comp on day 3 or UDFA.
I do think they grab and need one more DT, but not before the 3rd. If there was a Dominique Easley kind of guy this year IS could see it, but I’ve yet to see a guy like him this year.
Maybe a DT in the third is appropriate, but the first three picks should all be oline.
Why? This is why:
— Wilson’s 119.0 QB rating when his time in the pocket exceeds 2.6 seconds is the third-highest among QBs, behind only Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger. – Per Pff
I suspect we’ll see an OL taken in the first or second, one selected in the mid rounds, and a FA added.
There’s always UDFA’s too. Seattle scouts those types perhaps harder thsn any other team. We always have 2-3 UDFA’s from a class that contribute or will down the line.
But again, more rookie OL’s don’t guarantee he gets more time in the pocket. Proven vets are more likely to help here. They need some grizzled vets on that line, not more unproven players trying to find their way. Guys are not leaving college ready for the NFL.
There are some vets in the backup squad, Lewis is one of them that most of us thought would start at center. Seahawks have shown a preference for trading high paid vets and starting defensive linemen who have never played the offensive position. The more I think about it, the more absurd it sounds. Sweezy was the first convert and thrown right into starting, he was pretty bad most of that season but improved gradually. Now we get to see it again in our new converts Nowak and Gilliam. I would applaud the strategy if they would just give them a year on the practice squad first. It’s just too painful to watch the first 4-8 games each year.
More to the point of your preference for veteran linemen, what do you think of this strategy:
Budget 20 million for 4 linemen. They should have a pretty good selection of offered long term contracts of 5 million per year. The most expensive position is left tackle, save money by using the #1 draft pick there. There is also the possibility of training up at least one of the rookies to a position. Also not discounting Sweezy though I wouldn’t pay him 5 million.
I forgot about Giacomini.
Actually, he was before Cable, one of JS’s acquisitions from GB in 2010.
People who think that the Niners are pushovers are wrong… They have a shaky defense but our offense seem incapable of scoring more than 24 points in a game. Our defense could easily completely blow it again in the fourth and we could lose by a score of 21-20 or something like that, even if we dominate most of the game. (Imagine entering the fourth 20-7), Yikes…
WR Miller is a tad high first year WR good athlete two labrum surgeries on right shoulder. OSU concerned early on with blocking leading with right shoulder. I know shoulder is not knee but that would concern me.
‘Good athlete’ undersells him. He’s a fantastic athlete who’s shown very natural qualities converting to WR. Ohio State spread it around and haven’t used him as much as they could’ve done. Suspect teams will see a legit playmaker who can be used in multiple ways.
I don’t know that prior injuries scare Seattle away if they can potentially add a dynamic, field tilting type of weapon. How a guy responds to injuries while having the game taken away from him can be a check in the overcoming adversity box.
Miller is an amazing athlete with rapidly developing WR skills. He’s also a great teammate/locker room kund of guy, he’s a proven leader, highly mature, has no quit in him, and that versatility is oh so appealing.
Miller also can fill multiple positions or be a back-up QB in an emergency. This type of flexibility would certainty be attractive. To top it off, he does have some dynamic play making abilities and has nothing but upside at WR… I would only be concerned he would be a two to three year project, which Seattle can’t afford to wait on… if they want to back to more SBs in the next few years.
Mizzou’s OL Connor McGovern intrigues me. Has a chance to be this year’s version of Mitch Morse. I don’t think he’s as good as More necessarily, but his tape is impressive. Looks like a legit NFL RT with the versatility to backup a couple more spots. He’s another guy I suspect will be a SPARQ’D up prospect.
By the way looking at last year 1st round WR from 2015 you see only Cooper producing others hurt or over drafted. I liked Diggs from Maryland last year as mid round as did some on this blog as well he just played his first two games 13 receptions 216 Yards. Will be interesting comparing him to Lockett going foward. If Seattle is looking at adding WR round 5-UDFA I like Payton from UCLA and Q Davis from UNC. It will be interesting which JR WR come out lot of JR types 3-5 RD this year.
Diggs is gettign a chance with the Vikings, now that the other #2 WR is down with an injury. He is producing. Don’t count him out yet. He has had 2 nice games in a row… if he keeps producing, might be a very nice pick for them.
UCLA WR Jordan Payton reminds me a lot of Jermaine Kearse. The jr. class is going to determine everything in this years draft.
Far fetched and won’t happen, but is there an OL we can trade Bennet or Kam for that is young and talented?
A little off topic, but Wisnewski only signed a 1 year deal.
Do we look at him again in the off season?
He can play C and gaurd probably upgrades booth positions. I think we look to sign a starting C and G this offseason Boone Mathis Wisnewski 2 of these guys probably equals okung future cap hit. Plus pocket a comp pick by letting Okung go.
I like that idea.
This Line doesnt need more stop gaps, it needs talented young players who are skilled and succesful linemen in college who can be on the line for years to come.
One draft isn’t going to fix our issues.
As Rob always says, we’re in a championship window now.
Stop gaps are exactly what they need. Guys who can do a job. It’s extremely hard for young lineman to make the adjustment to the NFL. Hard to expect them to do it as rookies.
A talented young rook can be integrated into Vet line seamlessly with the right instructions. I think with Cable as Assistant Head Coach that is the approach they are taking. They had a good look at all those FAs, and they didn’t bite.
The Cap has put a lot of constraints taking on FAs. The goal is to sign their own as much as possible.
The OL hasn’t taken on a FA since Cable brought in his protege to help teach his Zblkg system. We know how that worked. They intend to build thru the draft. And they’re not that far away!
I see them drafting and integrating (2) rooks into lineup @ OT & C. They invested heavily at guard last year and they will stay their course with what they have there.
It’s nice to dream about or hope for Coleman falling to the Hawks. He fits just what they need, an eventual replacement for Okung that will man RT. But, I doubt that will happen.
I have yet to see a mock draft (other than Rob’s) that has Coleman in it.
I’m sure that will change, but hoping it won’t.
He hasn’t declared as yet. Most have a wait and see attitude because of his Meds. That will change the first of the year if he stays healthy. Even then he may not go as high as Rob’s list due to his Meds. There hope for the Hawks. They may just go get him.
CHAWK, durst over at cat scratch reader (Carolina’s SB nation site) has him in the 2nd round on his big board.
This is the issue though. Who are the veterans on this line if you’re starting rookies in place of Okung and the center? You’ve also still not replaced Britt and Gilliam.
The whole line needs rebuilding. It’s Ok to draft a LT/RT in round one and insert them with a few grizzled vets. Losing Okung and/or Sweezy and adding more youth isn’t the answer.
For me you try to keep both Okung and Sweezy, sign an experienced LG and C and then draft a RT in round one. Or you let Okung walk, draft a LT in round one and find a veteran at RT too (Giacomini?).
Agreed Rob. We need to rebuild the OL but only adding rookies will be a disaster. It takes them too long to learn the game and while they’re doing that and starting, Russell will be running for his life again and our RBs will continue getting hit behind the LOS. My ideal scenario is that Okung stays healthy this season, plays relatively well, and we resign him. I think it’s tougher to find a competent LT in the draft than the other positions. Hopefully, add a veteran OL to the line and then draft a couple of rookies to build for the future.
The cap prevents a 5-7mil acquisition when Bennett & Kam & others on the roster having their hands out for more $$! It would be a hard sell justifying paying someone outside and not taking care of those inside. They learned that lesson with ‘Mercy it’s Percy’. Remember Graham was a trade.
The position group most likely not to receive help from the outside is the OL group. Because, the Guru himself is manning the troops, and he’s not going anywhere, nor should he. He’s had a great success rate with his OLs over the years. They’re near the top again despite all the sacks.
A good center will help stabilize Britt @ LG. And yes, I think Sweezy stays unless someone pulls a Maxwell and empties a truck for him. If they do pay high there is Glow. I had him going @ Poole’s slot. I was happy when they made up for it. I like his PPro skills. Not a natural bender, so anchoring presents a challenge at times. A year of Cable under his belt will allow him to take the next step.
Using the 1st or 2nd on LT/RT & 4th on GOOD C(Jack Allen), they will be fine.
Frederick stepped in @ Dallas, Stork @ GB and do well against Bane despite all the noise @ the Link. MSU is a good testing ground for a rook. Check him out! He’s done well.
If Coleman does slip to Seattle he will start for the next 10yrs, barring injuries. If he can’t be had, who would fit the LT/RT?
G and C position is not bad in FA that is probably a good place to start not seeing a ton of good OT in FA that means Okung will get overpaid. I think we budget 12-13mil on OL this off season sign sweazy for like 4mil first year cap hit Mathis for 4mil and Wiz for 4-5 mil draft OT in first round and hope the trio of Gilliam Bailey and Britt and improve. We signed Wilson to big money now we have to invest in a decent line to keep him healthy.
I meant Linsley from Ohio St. another Big Time program and Good center drafted in the 5th Rd. Allen could be there @ the 4th or 179th comp pick. He’s a rSr with 5yrs experience playing against Big Ten powerhouses. Allen is tested. MSU is known for its running style. What I like most about the Captain is that he played LT when Conklin couldn’t go against Rutgers. He held his own too! 6-2 300lbs against DEs taller & quicker than he. GOOD PPro skills there. That’s the type of C they need.
Mathis & Wiz are looking to get paid. It won’t be @ Seattle. Frankly, Wiz is a little more miles than they would like. Lemuel will provide the vet savvy for the group. He knows all the positions on the line. He will be a stabilizing presence on the bench as well. He’ll do well with the rook if they get him. Remember, Mathis is looking to get paid. That’s why he left Philly.
Seattle will not pay OL FAs. Keeping Okung & Sweezy would be money well spent. There’s nothing left for a FA from the outside. JS is too smart to make another mishap as such. TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN!
Stork was a rook starter for NE the same year as Linsley until this year when he was placed on IRR designation. Guess who they turned to? Wiz, some Wiley Vet? Another rook, David Andrews. Bill knows a little about coaching & personal. It doesn’t hurt having Brady standing behind him. Andrews has the same measurable as Jack Allen, just 1in taller. Andrews was a rook FA holding the fort until Stork returns. Stork was their 4th 105th pick of 2014 draft.
l submit Jack Allen as the Trade Dn 4th pick of the draft, somewhere around 137-145.
That was Easy!
Percy was a trade too as was Graham. I think that may be behind Bennet’s & Kam’s demands for $$. I the FO see the light. Take care of your own! Any FA will come in to makeup what has departed.
Okung market is going to be 9-11 mil per year. Plus he has injury risk now if we were to trade for a young controlable RT whose cap hit is in the 5mil range I would flip a 3RD for that all day and pick up a C or G free agent and draft a OT in Round 1. the third will come back as comp for Okung in 2017 anyway.
Red, you need to keep Okung. Give him a 3yr extension with signing bonus and 1st yr guaranteed. A cap friendly contract. I think he would want to stay a Hawk.
Even if you do get Coleman in it would be good to groom him to speed of the NFL before he takes on the fire of the LT.
They also need a RCB. I’d go for Mills 6-1 195 in Rd 3. Great ball skills, 4.4 40. Has some off field issues that dropped him. It was a he said she said DV that the prosecutor decided against felony charges. Similar to Clark. JS will take a look at the kids eyes, if he’s not already have. He will make the LOB whole again, not Williams nor Simons.
Jalen Mills Seattle’s 3rd Rd pick.
Not saying he would be a good or bad pick.. but how awesome would it be to have a football player named Striker. Sign me up!
It is too early, things can change and don’t know how it will end the season but my thoughts of the first elections for the draft this year are:
1st OT
2nd RB
3rd DT
3rd comp OL
Still we have to see many more games, many players and the positions can change according the players available but some players might be …
1st OT Jack Conklin, Shon Coleman, Joe Haeg.
2nd RB Devontae Booker or Kenneth Dixon in 3rd.
3rd DT I like Kenny Clark in 1st if we draft 15-20. In 3rd… Montravius Adams, Vernon Butler, Sheldon Rankins.
3rd comp OL Joe Dahl. You will say it is too early but I love this man, underrated. Could OT, OG or C.
Rob, I know that Treadwell is the man at Ole Miss, but how is Stringfellow doing? He seemed liked he could be great back when he was a freshman with UW, but I haven’t followed him since he left.
Bit part player really, gets the odd catch here and there. Good frame but doesn’t jump off the screen like Treadwell.
I haven’t watched much Oklahoma this year, so I’m not that familiar with Striker. But he reminds me John Simon from OSU. Great in college, not so much in the pros.
Am I off?
I thinK Striker is a much better athlete but we’ll see. Not an unfair comparison given Simon was equally brilliant for Ohio State and I liked him a lot. I think Striker is a different type of player though.
If ND WR Will Fuller declares this year, he’d be at or near the top of my wish list. Speed to separate from his defender at will. Terrific hands with a soft touch. He absolutely torched a very competent and FAST USC secondary.
Sticking with ND, LT Ron Stanley finally had a decent game (vs USC), but I’m not a fan. In fact, I prefer RT McGinchley and C Nick Martin.
And I’m just going to call it now for me – CJ Prosise is my favorite RB who could be had on Day 2.
Between Kinzer, Prosise and Fuller, ND is fun to watch again.
I agree with Rob vet Oline help, maybe a rookie LT.
Someone here called Simon special not sure what he has ever put on tape to be deemed special. He needs special attention from the trainer and medical staff is all that I have seen special of this kid. U know what they say about potential, it’s what get coaches fired.
Also what ate the chances if Gus Bradley get fired we bring him back here as D coordinator? Love to see that and coach Sark brought in to help the QB and Offense, which I think next year is he’s healthy will get done.
Only problem is if you bring Bradley back you’re firing Kris Richard. He isn’t taking a step back to DB coach. I’d rather give Richard the chance to grow into the role than lose a terrific DB coach.
I made this point in the Instant Reaction to loss vs CAR post: SEA hasn’t hired a new secondary coach. Instead, they’re going with 2 assistant secondary coaches – 1 for CBs, the other for safeties. Presumably, Richard remains the de facto secondary coach as well as DC.
The following quote from ESPN’s Sheil Kapadia, given as an explanation to how/why SEA blew the coverage on Olson, pretty much explains it to me:
“What’s interesting here is that players like Wright and Richard Sherman had the right call. Wright got the call from Richard through the headset. Sherman got the signal from the sideline. So how did players like safety Earl Thomas get the wrong call? Perhaps they were looking at a dummy signal on the sideline, or someone screwed up the signal after Sherman got the right call.”
Sounds like the assistant secondary coach for safeties gave a different signal, the wrong signal, than the assistant coach for CBs.
Interesting and that may explain why players were confused about the correct call. But regardless of what call(s) come in from the sidelines, shouldn’t the players do some type of a huddle or at least relay the calls by hand signals to everyone to make sure that they ALL got the correct call? I’ve said the same thing in other posts about this game but the captain of the defense should have the same responsibility as the QB on offense, making sure everyone is one the same page about the defensive call.
Absolutely. And that’s Kam, isn’t it?
49er LG Alex Boone spoke about SEA’s defensive troubles this week and attributed the problem to Kam’s holdout. Speaking from his own experience as a hold out, he said:
“I think maybe Kam Chancellor’s holdout kind of hurt them a little bit. It’s hard to come back from a holdout. It’s easy to say, ‘It’ll be easy; I know what I’m doing.’ But at the same time, this is the NFL. Things are hard. You miss four or five weeks of practice and things come at you a lot faster than you remember.”
Well, either way I’m certain they’ve addressed the specific issue of communicating calls in hurry up situations. We won’t see that mistake again.
Richard is a brilliant DB coach and secondary coordinator. There’s every indication he can be just as good as a DC. I just think he may be overtaxed at the moment.
I think so but I thought I read somewhere that Bobby/one of the LBs makes the defensive calls also. Regardless, hopefully, after that horrible blown coverage, they’ve fixed this communication issue. Great comment from Boone and it makes sense.
It’s funny, I and many other fans are fixated on this messed up play but the more concerning issue to me is our poor defense (compared to years past) throughout the early part of the season and all the big plays that we’ve given up so far (24/25 so far and last year, we gave up a total of like 32 the entire season)? I’m hoping that Richard knows why we’re having so many defensive breakdowns this year and that we start closing those gaps.
My understanding is KJ received the call and correctly issued the coverage to the huddle. The supposed problem was that Kam didn’t bother to fully huddle and missed the call, as did Earl. Could make sense, as Earl has stated he gets his call from Kam
Ouch! If that’s true, good luck making a case for the extension in the offseason Kam.
That’s a good point Tien. Wagner is the QB of the defense, at least in the sense that he wears a helmet with an earpiece that allows him to get the call from the sideline and relay it to the rest of the squad. But Wagner was out.
Wright was the one who had the earpiece vs CAR, and it was his job to take the call from the sideline and relay it to the rest of the D. Even if other players were taking the call directly from the sideline, it was Wright’s responsibility to make sure they all were on the same page.
But my about Kam is that he’s the presumptive defensive captain, the organizer of the LOB. Where was he in all this? Probably trying his best just to keep up with the game itself.
To those against my idea of three oline first-
Whose Going to be more Successful the best center coming out of college whole be our guy for years to come or a journeyman vet who has bounced all around the league trying different position on one team and then moving on to another next year.
An undrafted tight end convert right tackle of a left table convert who ha been learning the position for years.
I don’t even know who starts for left tackle for us next year.
Think About it
I have. Jack Allen, Bryan Stork and his replacement David Andrews, Corey Linsley. All 1st yr starting rooks for their teams, except the 1st one mentioned. Hopefully, they’ll follow suit with GB & NE. They too know how to fill out their roster.
Jack Allen, Seattle’s 4th pick of 2016 Draft. I like the way that sounds.
Does this center have a name? Or are we in the process of just naming positions and not actual human beings eligible for the draft?
And how is this any different than Houston fans saying, “You know, we should draft a franchise quarterback next year.”
Jack Allen rSr 6-2 300lb Mich St. Google him. Great YouTube interviews. Mean, nasty, ideal center.
If the right guy isn’t there why waste a pick? Drafting a guy that doesn’t fit your scheme is just as bad as not addressing it.
Expecting anymore than 1-2 rookies to instantly upgrade the line is highly unlikely.
That’s the 2nd OL pick they should make. The 1st should occur in Rd 1 or Rd 2 for LT/RT as future replacement of Okung in 3yrs, that will play RT.
Only (2) OL picks this yr.
Miss St CB Will Redmond tore his ACL according to rotoworld. Feel bad for the kid. One of the better corners in this class.
Terrible news. That’s a real shame.
Really is. IMO he was a ready made starter for whatever team drafted him.
What do you think of his partner in crime CB Taveze Calhoun, Rob?
Let Okung go.
Keep Sweeny if possible, but don’t overpay.
Trade Kam for a mid 2nd.
Keep Irvin and play DE.
Trade Bennett for a low 1st or early 2nd.
Let Lynch go.
Sorry to say, but Kam (money) Bennett (money and constant lack of discipline) are the cancer. Get rid of selfish talent for a better team, just like we did with Harvin.
1st OT
2nd RB
2nd CB
2nd S
3rd DT
3rd C/G
That’s some serious rosterbation going on there…
A little. Okung and Sweeny are up, it’s really just drastic for the two trades. Even if they turn it around this year, I think Kam and Bennett are turning into distractions. Not to the degree of Harvin, but PC needs to get control of the team.
I fear ridding the locker room of two of its most respected participants might actually provoke a much more unbearable dysfunction.
Here’s the thing Ed, Harvin was a distraction AND unproductive.
Bennett was/is a minor distraction, IMO, and still productive so far.
Kam was a huge distraction when he held out and he’s made good plays and bad but I wouldn’t say he’s been unproductive so far. If he continues threatening to hold out next offseason without an extension/new contract, it might make sense then to try to trade him then but we still need to have a lot of things play out first.
I wish Okung would stay healthy and I’m hoping he’s not looking to break the bank for his next contract but until there is a viable alternative (I’m really not banking on a rookie T stepping in the first season and being competent), my preference is for the Hawks to sign him.
Irvin’s a good player but if I had to choose between him & Bennett, I’m taking Bennett every time because he’s been more productive and I think you can more easily replace a LB than a good pass rusher like Bennett.
Totally agree about Irvin vs Bennett. Few players in the NFL can pressure the QB from any position on the DL the way Bennett can. Irvin has been all over the field so far this season, making a strong case for a big FA contract. I really like his game and I hope he remains a Seahawk, but not at the expense of losing Bennett.
Okung had a right decent game vs CAR. It’s a little strange to say this about a seasoned vet, but he’s gradually improved as this season has gone on. Having said that, I don’t think he plays/prices himself out of SEA’s range. That’s a convoluted way of saying I think he won’t ask for more than SEA’s willing to pay.
Let’s be right here. Bennett is one of the truly elite D-liners in the NFL. You’d have to be mad to trade him for anything other than a first round pick. And even then you’d have to think twice.
Such great analysis. Will have to keep my eye on the Sooner kid. I hope we are able to find a Tackle for our OL, and heck, another one for the DL too. Another Backer would be great. I say put wr off until the late rounds and I wouldn’t be surprised If we draft a QB wither
Rob, what do you think about OL Kelechi Osemele as a possible FA addition, if Baltimore doesn’t re-sign him?
Possibly. There are some FA options.
Yeah, that’s why I’m asking away. You like Osemele or not watched him much?
CHAWK, since you get Oakland games on your local channel, isn’t OL Menelik Watson a FA? IIRC he was a VMAC visitor back in 2012. I know he’s currently injured, and don’t watch a ton of Oakland games, but he was an intriguing guy then, not sure about now though. And since he’s been hurt before, he might be cheap.
Watson won’t be a UFA until 2017. It’s a shame he ruptured his achilles this preseason, as it looked as if he was starting to come into his own at RT.
Off field, he’s as decent a human being as you could hope to know. Truly a compassionate and caring man.
I thought he warranted a round two grade. Haven’t focused on him in the pro’s to be fair. I’d prefer they go back to Evan Mathis personally.
Anyone else heard of UT St OLB/DE Kyler Fackrell?
6’5″ 250#, and according to PFF (yes I know), he is the nation’s top 3-4 OLB with a +34.4 overall grade, and has the 3rd best pass rushing production behind Joe Schobert (Wisc) and Carl Nassib (Penn ST), and ahead of Joey Bosa and Shilique Calhoun.
In 110 pass rushing snaps, he has 25 pressures. He’s played well against better competition like UT, UW and Boise St.
Are you ready for some football?!?
Here’s to the renaissance of SEA’s 2015 season.
GO HAWKS!
Terrific opening drive to build on.
And 2 solid defensive series.
How about Avril covering Vernon Davis along the sideline!
I had a dream last night with Pete Carroll in it and we were kicking it together and he said DT 1st round pick. In the dream we were talking about the defensive push up the middle. So I guess we shall see? Frank Clark a Tyler Lockett are having good games! I am still wanting Devantar Booker to replace Freddy Jack.
It would be the first time if they did.
What’s up Craig?
Doing alright Eric just got done with Supper and the Game. D is Looking good and the offense will get it going eventually. I had fun once again, Tyler with another big time play not bad for a rookie! Its going to feel like forever till the next game and after that the Bye week. Were a second half team, so it will be how we finish once again.
Russell has made bad throws since green bay in the championship game. He needs to stop pushing the ball into tight coverage now!
Looks like they gave the hook to Gilliam. Go Bailey!
Wilson is scaring me you guys…
Kearse didn’t complete his route. He slowed down.
He’ll be okay I believe in Russell Wilson. Athletes are people also and everyone goes through tough times.
Go Hawks y’all !!!
Wilson is killing this football team. And by the looks of the defensive players every time Wilson throws another pick they know it too.
The first interception was a horrible decision in a critical part of the game… even if we get three points there we get ball back at half. The fact Wilson threw the pick is not really the issue, the fact Wilson never seen the CB is what is a issue. That’s not a throw a veteran should of made.
The second pick Wilson misses ANOTHER WR who was running wide open. Instead of him going to Baldwin on the deep cross, Wilson throws into double coverage – and I think he never seen the safety (which is a big issue.)
Great run Lynch.
I was just about to cue the horror music
They need at least a FG to exercise this demon
And there it is.
Monkey’s off the back. Now get back to playing Seahawks football.
And now it begins…
Ok, the offense did something in the 4th to get closer to the win.
Let’s hope the defense can do the same. Don’t give up anything big.
BANE! Most underrated NDT in the game!
Mosesbread having a monster game.
Great field position. A TD drive would do so much for the team’s psyche.
No turnovers!
Don’t know if Gilliam is injured but he’s just atrocious as a pass blocking RT.
Stupid ref giving me a heart attack. Call the right team.
LT/RT 1st or 2nd Rd.
We can trade punts until the end of the game and win.
But seriously, the offense NEEDS to do something here. Not for this game, but the next one, and so on.
Very disappointing. The offense just isn’t capable of helping the team to win.
Russ is giving up a lot of sacks. He’s holding the ball too long in the face of obvious pressure instead of hitting his short/dumpoff receiver. Most of his sacks this game are on him. He’s had open options if he gets the ball out fast.
Not all Russell.
Ciara should buy life insurance on him the way he holds the ball, but can’t complain about this one. Road win. Go 1-0 every week.
She got Russ. Don’t worry.
Have the found the receiver to grow old with Wilson in Lockett?
He’s miles ahead of where Richardson was last year.
This. Absolutely love lockett
SEA lost the turnovers but won the game.
Tis a season of ironies.
Alright, Cowboys next…their D-Line is scary, but everything else is in place for a Hawk’s victory. Leaving Dallas with a win going into bye week would be huge, and then three home games in a row…I think this is the start of this year’s “streak!”
That is True Tyler is doing so brilliant, nothing but grand fields abound for him. Hopefully P Rich can open things up with his long speed when he returns.