Tre McBride ran a 4.41 and recorded a 38 inch vertical jump
If you missed today’s combine live blog, you can recap the day here. It includes workout notes, winners & losers, measurements, breaking news and a lot more
The #1 thing we learned today? This receiver class has everything. Explosive athleticism, freakish size and speed, suddenness and most of all — depth.
While a hyped-up running back class chugged it’s way through a bitterly disappointing, average workout — the receivers lit up Indianapolis with a series of dynamic performances.
Nineteen players ran sub-4.4. Thirteen players jumped above 37 inches in the vertical. If you’re a team in need of a receiver or two — congratulations. The Seahawks happen to need a receiver or two.
It’s hard to read too much into the body language of coaches at the combine. Some sit in the stands with their own stopwatch (Tom Coughlin). Others kick back and let their scouts do most of the data-recording. Jason Garrett joined the NFL Network crew for an interview as Jerry Jones attempted to type forty-times into an Ipad.
Pete Carroll and John Schneider stayed glued to their seats in the Seahawks booth — side-by-side. And they paid particular attention to the receivers. Carroll was seen scribbling notes at a pace. Schneider was deep in conversation, binoculars in hand. The room was a hive of activity. When the running backs started to workout, they sipped soda and looked positively relaxed. No notes were being taken. For once, I think we can read into this.
Rand Getlin is reporting the Seahawks have offered Marshawn Lynch a contract extension worth over $20m for the next two years. It’s a significant offer. If Lynch wants to be the best paid back in the league, this is his opportunity. If Adrian Peterson departs Minnesota he might have to take a pay cut (especially if he wants to join his favorite team in Dallas). Peterson is the only challenger to Lynch in terms of salary if he signs this new deal.
Assuming it gets done, there’s very little reason for the Seahawks to draft a running back. It’s going to be hard enough for eleven or more rookies to make the roster without asking a mid or late round pick to beat out Robert Turbin or Christine Michael. Secure Lynch and you can focus elsewhere. The average performance today of the running backs — where most just looked sluggish and slow — just compounds the situation. Do what it takes to keep Lynch and move on.
They can focus on other needs — receiver, tight end, cornerback, offensive line and defensive line.
I think the Seahawks will address the tight end position in free agency as they look to bring in that elusive second level mismatch for Russell Wilson. They need a guy who draws attention in the way Rob Gronkowski did in the Super Bowl. They need a red zone threat in the passing game. They need someone who can run the seam route and make big plays. All signs point to Julius Thomas — a player they tried to acquire during the season. While he has his critics and doubters, there’s no mistaking his physical quality, speed and production (24 touchdowns in 2013/2014). He’s the type of player who demands respect from a defense and constant attention.
If they sign Thomas (and there’s no comparable TE mismatch in this draft class), the focus turns to receiver, the offensive line, cornerback and the defensive line.
Cornerback could be a problem area. The options in the draft are limited. The 2015 prospects were measured today and we know the Seahawks like their outside cornerbacks to have 32-inch arms. Here’s a full list of defensive backs with +32 inch arms:
Adrian Amos
Alex Carter
Jalen Collins
Kurtis Drummond
Durrell Eskridge
Gerod Holliman
Byron Jones
Cody Prewitt
Jordan Richards
James Sample
Tye Smith
Jaquiski Tartt
Julian Wilson
That’s it. And they’re not all corner prospects either, there’s a few safety’s in there. You can pretty much limit your Monday viewing to this group when the DB’s workout.
(Note — Auburn quarterback Nick Marshall will also go through cornerback drills. He has 32 1/8 inch arms and ran a 4.54 today)
Tony Pauline gave Byron Jones a fourth or fifth round grade last summer but he’s been steadily rising. He’s a press-corner coming off a torn labrum. Alex Carter flashed at times for Stanford. There’s some debate whether Adrian Amos is a safety or a corner, but he’s another to monitor.
The top-talent on the list is clearly Jalen Collins. I suspect he’ll end up going in the top-20. This is a bad group and teams know it. The good cornerbacks will go early. The other possible first rounders — Trae Waynes and Marcus Peters, don’t pass the 32-inch arms test. Neither does Utah’s Eric Rowe or Georgia’s Damian Swann.
This is why Byron Maxwell is going to get $10m (too much, in my opinion) on the open market and why he’ll be priced out of a return to Seattle. It’s a really rough year if you have a need at the position. We probably need to scour the free agent market for a diamond in the rough. I’ve always liked Brandon Flowers but he’s short and lacks length — plus he could be costly. 2015 will provide the greatest test to Seattle’s vaunted cornerback production line.
Assuming they don’t go cornerback early, that leaves receiver, defensive line and offensive line as the most likely options at #31. We’ll see the defenders workout tomorrow. I’m not sure the D-line is quite the dramatic need some people believe. Brandon Mebane and Jordan Hill are under contract. Michael Bennett and Cliff Avril are both signed-up. Cassius Marsh will return. Tony McDaniel is under contract. They’ve done a good job finding defensive line value in the free agent market. Players like Brian Orakpo might be willing to work on a cheap prove-it deal. There are other candidates too.
There’s also a good chance of a first round rush on defensive linemen. Eli Harold is one to watch out for — a good fit for Seattle’s LEO position. Shane Ray wont perform due to injury. We could see Harold, Ray, Leonard Williams, Dante Fowler Jr, Danny Shelton, Jordan Phillips, Eddie Goldman, Malcom Brown, Arik Armstead, Vic Beasley, and Bud Dupree off the board by #31, limiting the available options.
We’ll see if tomorrow changes anything, but I’m leaning towards receiver and offensive line being a likely bet for Seattle’s first two picks in this draft as we edge towards free agency.
I noted at the start of today’s live blog that #31 could be a sweet spot for the O-line. With the reports today that James Carpenter will be a target for the New York Jets, it’s looking increasingly likely the Seahawks will need to fill a hole at left guard. While the receivers are flying up the board today (more on that in a moment) — several good O-line prospects could be available at #31 or even after a small trade down. Ereck Flowers, Cameron Erving, Jake Fisher, La’el Collins. Players who could, theoretically, play guard or tackle. There’s enough OL depth in this draft to wait and let Tom Cable bring in his guys to fill out the roster. But there’s even more depth at receiver.
The top three wide outs all confirmed their status as probable top-18 picks today. Kevin White’s official 4.35 was as unexpected as it was impressive. He’s not a quick-twitch receiver but he has great acceleration and long speed. He has the frame and hands to win in the short game and the ability to get deep and take the top off a defense. He’s smaller than Larry Fitzgerald but plays with a similar physicality. And he’s faster.
Amari Cooper is a naturally gifted receiver — the smoothest wide out to enter the league since A.J. Green. The fact he also ran a 4.42 shows he’s no slouch either. But he doesn’t have great height or length and he suffered with drops in college. White has possibly usurped Cooper as the top receiver — and he’ll be a candidate to go fourth overall to Oakland. Cooper shouldn’t last beyond Minnesota (#11) and Cleveland (#12).
That leaves DeVante Parker, who also performed well today (4.45 forty, 36.5 vert, 10’5″ broad). He could go ahead of Cooper if it comes down to personal preference. Greater size/athleticism versus polish. It’s also worth noting Parker is curt and introverted while Cooper is well-spoken and competitive. Either way, there’s a chance both players will be off the board by San Francisco at #15. The worst case scenario is Kansas City at #18.
Here’s the possible problem for Seattle. If White, Cooper and Parker are off the board by #12 or #15, we have to assume Kansas City will take the next best receiver available. That could be Jaelen Strong — who had a fantastic combine performance (4.42 forty, 42-inch vert, 10’3″ broad). With the likelihood of four receivers leaving the board in the top-20, you’re looking at taking the 5th or 6th best receiver at #31. There’s probably ten players with similar grades vying to be #5 and #6. The value at #31 will be pretty similar to the value at #55.
Theoretically, you could trade down from #31 and fill a need on the offensive line — then trade up from #63 to get a receiver you like. You run the risk of losing picks, but you also have the chance to make a cumulative gain and get the players you really want.
So who are the ten if White, Cooper, Parker and Strong are off the board?
Nelson Agholor (USC)
Ran an impressive 4.41 with the top ten-yard split (1.53). He makes up for a lack of size (6-0, 198lbs) with suddenness, catching technique, good hands, leaping ability and grit. He’s an effective kick returner too. It’d be more of the same for Seattle, but this is the type of receiver they’ve shown interest in. If they sign a big target (eg Julius Thomas) in free agency, this could be an option.
Sammie Coates (Auburn)
He was as advertised today. Coates is a physical freak with fantastic muscle tone and a T.O. style frame. He ran a 4.43 with a 41-inch vertical, 10’11” broad jump and he put up 23 reps on the bench press. Physically he’s a top ten pick. Catching the ball he might be an UDFA. During drills he struggled to track the deep ball and had some drops. For all the potential, he’s likely to be a frustrating player at the next level. Very boom or bust.
Phillip Dorsett (Miami)
He’s a really effective deep-receiver with 4.33 size. He posted a 37-inch vertical today with a 10’2″ broad jump. He’s not just a sprinter playing football — he’s very much a football player. He uses his athleticism to get open and does a good job catching the ball. Can he win in the short game? He showed flashes at Miami. He’s a competitive player but he’s only 5-9 and 183lbs. How many receivers with that size become anything more than a sparky role-player?
Devin Funchess (Michigan)
Funchess really should’ve worked out with the tight ends yesterday. Instead of shining as the obvious top athlete among a bad group, he just looked like a slow receiver today. He’s always been a build-up-speed player at 6-4 and 232lbs — but a 4.70 was considerably worse than Dorial Green-Beckham’s 4.49 at a similar size. He did have a 38-inch vertical to fall back on. He lacks suddenness (1.67 ten yard split) and won’t win off the snap. He needs to be used as a mismatch in the slot or working the seam. He is adept at boxing off defenders, the head-fake and making difficult grabs.
Dorial Green-Beckham (Oklahoma)
DGB has a very peculiar body shape. He’s 6-5 and 237lbs but only has 32 and a half inch arms. He doesn’t appear long despite the height. If anything he looked quite stocky. He only has nine inch hands. Running a 4.49 at that size was impressive, but he only managed a mediocre 33.5 inch vertical and a 9’11” in the broad jump. He’s fast but he doesn’t have a great catching radius or wingspan. The off-field concerns are legit and he didn’t do a convincing job in front of the media. Tall but not long, fast but can’t jump.
Rashad Greene (Florida State)
Mr. Consistent for FSU but doesn’t seem like a fit for Seattle. He’s only 5-11 and 182lbs, ran a 4.53 today and posted a 36.5 inch vertical and a 10’2″ broad jump. He catches everything and any offense needing a reliable slot receiver will consider Greene on day two. But the Seahawks don’t need a 4.5 runner at 5-11. The ten-yard split on his first forty yard dash matched Nelson Agholor’s 1.53. He has nine inch hands and 31 5/8 inch arms. He’s a competitive player with lots of production.
Tyler Lockett (Kansas State)
After a fantastic Senior Bowl, Lockett further improved his stock at the combine. He’s just under 5-10 and 182lbs (similar size to Rashad Greene) with 30 inch arms and sub-9 inch hands. That’s not a great mix and he too might be out of contention for the Seahawks. But he looked sharp running a 4.40 forty and he also posted a 35.5 inch vertical and a 10’1″ broad jump. He showed spectacular hands in Mobile and he has some kick return potential. His stock has risen so high he’s probably drifted out of any reasonable consideration for Seattle.
Tre McBride (Williams & Mary)
A Seahawks Draft Blog favorite coming into the combine — McBride showed up big time. He’s 6-0 and 210lbs and ran a 4.41 with a 38 inch vertical, a 10’2″ broad jump and a 4.08 short shuttle (top five among WR’s). On tape he makes numerous circus catches — flashing excellent catching technique and the ability to make plays in the short game and downfield. He’s a kick return specialist too. He has average height at 6-0 but plays big with a nice thick frame. He could play at 215lbs comfortably. He has A+ character — he’s well spoken and polite during interviews, gritty and fun on the field. He’s rising and could be a legit second round option for the Seahawks.
Breshad Perriman (UCF)
He didn’t workout at the combine due to injury. He’s very much flavor of the month among draft pundits. Mel Kiper recently put him at #15 in a mock draft. Mike Mayock has also discussed his possible rise up the board. He’s 6-2 and 212lbs with NFL bloodlines. On tape he’s comparable to Sammie Coates — capable of big plays and equally capable of some horrendous drops. Neither player is going to be on a quarterbacks Christmas Card list. He does have enough potential to entice a team to take a shot on day two. The first round would be a significant reach in my opinion.
Devin Smith (Ohio State)
The expected contest with Phillip Dorsett never really materialized but a 4.42 is still a decent time for a 6-0, 196lbs receiver. He’s a smooth, fluid runner — very natural with no wasted steps. You can see why he’s such an effective downfield catcher. He posted a 39-inch vertical with a 10’2″ broad jump. He made several Odell Beckham Jr-style catches for the Buckeye’s. He doesn’t have ODB’s unreal hand size (only nine inches) but they share similar athletic traits. He’s a fantastic high point catcher and a big play artist. He also has genuine special teams value as a gunner.
You might have to take Nelson Agholor, Devin Smith or Devin Funchess at #31 or in the top-40 if you trade down. You might be able to get Tre McBride in the #55-63 range. That’s what you have to consider here. Where is the best value coinciding with the best way to upgrade the existing roster? There are likely two sweet spots at this position — #4-15 and then #35-50.
The Seahawks manipulated the situation last year to get the player they wanted (Paul Richardson) in the right range. I can see a similar situation here. Either take the guy they like after a small trade down, or find a way to get the receiver you want in the late second round. The alternative, of course, is to make a Julio Jones-style trade into the top ten to target Kevin White. Can anyone really see that happening?
Last year the value at #32 was probably leaning towards the offensive line (Joel Bitonio) and at #64 towards receiver. It might be a similar situation again this year. The Seahawks kind of fought the board a little bit — especially in admitting they took Justin Britt in the second round to avoid missing out altogether on a right tackle they liked (they didn’t own a third rounder). That’s what the Seahawks do — they draft for their roster and not for the league.
With four solid fits at receiver likely to leave the board before the #31 pick — going OL with the first pick and WR with the second could make a great deal of sense. And who would rule out some movement up and down the board to make it happen?
One receiver we need to go back and have a look at — Georgia’s Chris Conley. At just under 6-2 and 213lbs he ran a 4.35 forty, recorded a 45 inch vertical, an 11’7″ in the broad jump and even had 18 reps on the bench press. Oh yeah, he also has 33 3/4 inch arms and just under ten inch hands. That’s incredible size, length, speed and athleticism. I’ve scanned through some clips and there’s a lot to like here. He can separate, high point the football, get behind the defense and make big plays. He appears to be well respected with tremendous character. Can’t wait to see more.
Also today the quarterbacks and running backs went through drills. Jameis Winston put on a masterclass — on and off the field. He gave a superstar interview with the NFL Network, took on a leadership role within the QB group and was the clear vocal leader on the field. Greg Knapp working the drills took a clear shine to him. He nailed a tough media conference last night and just looks the part of a #1 overall pick. It’s not a done deal, but you get a real vibe that Tampa Bay is going to take Winston with the first pick. Everything is trending that way. I mean, how impressive is this?
Marcus Mariota also performed well but faded into Winston’s shadow when they both appeared on the NFL Network and the same thing happened on the field. He’s not a loud person and prefers to lead by example. He will be a high pick, but you sense he’s losing ground to Winston in the race to go first overall. The big question could be — will Tennessee take Mariota at #2, or will they take a defensive prospect like Leonard Williams? If Mariota lasts until the #5 pick, will that encourage a team like Cleveland or Philadelphia to trade up? If the Eagles are being aggressive at cornerback (willing to pay Maxwell), they could be laying the foundations for a big trade up on draft day.
The running back workouts were miserably average. It’s shocking how slow the group looked. Even Melvin Gordon put in a disappointing performance — running a 4.53 and recording a 35 inch vertical. During drills they nearly all looked sluggish. T.J. Yeldon is too big, Gordon was stiffer than expected, Duke Johnson was slow, Josh Robinson was even slower and David Cobb pulled a quad. Jay Ajayi and Ameer Abdullah both posted impressive vertical jumps (39 and 42 inches respectively) but that’s about as good as it gets for this years crop. This was a total anti-climax.
For all the combine data from today, click here.
And one final note to close out the day — Vic Beasley put up 35 reps on the bench press. That’s more than Danny Shelton (34). Incredible. We’ll be live again from 6AM PST tomorrow with coverage of the defensive linemen and linebacker drills.
Good piece Rob.
I still like LSU DE Danielle Hunter or Clemson DE-LEO Vic Beasley in the 1st. WR Tre McBride in the 2nd. I think SD St OL Terry Poole is a stud and a really good fit at LG for what Seattle does.
As for the CB position, I know he’s somewhat of a project, but I’m loving the idea of Auburn’s Nick Marshall as Seattle’s next ‘diamond in the rough’ as you said, for the corner back position. His combine numbers are eerily similar to Richard Sherman’s by the way. Under the tutelage and guidance of PC and Kr, IMO Marshall could be very special.
Beasley’s bench number is incredible. 35 reps? At his size? He’s a great forty away from being right in the top-15 mix.
As for Marshall, looking at the list of possible Seattle cornerbacks — he’s about as good an option as anyone at this stage. But he is a big time project. He struggled a bit at the Senior Bowl playing corner.
He struggled to be sure but I take it as fairly high maturity to recognize when you aren’t going to be playing QB and you can contribute more by changing position, plus as you said if they stick to their rule about arm length and cross him off the list it gets kind of grim as per the pickings out there.
Excellent day again Rob.
I think Beasley’s T-Rex arms help his bench press number.
Arm length the same as DGB…. so if Beasley’s a T-Rex, DGB’s basically the Black Knight from Monty Python.
I could fight you with no arms!!!!
I’m really struggling with our R1 pick…just seems like no man’s territory. At this point, I’m simply hoping that Marcus Peters falls. I know his arms are at 31.5, but I think we are a little handcuffed at CB, and I do think he fits like a glove in Seattle, with his style of play.
That said, I am completely sold on Tre McBride in R2. If he goes to a bigger name school, I think he’s a top 40 pick, easy. I’d also like to double dip with Darren Waller.
This has been going around on twitter, but I’m intrigued by the idea of trying for a WR->CB converts with this class. Chris Conley, Kenny Bell, Nick Marshall…seems like some later round options that tick the boxes. The CB class is thoroughly uninspiring outside of Collins, Peters, and Waynes.
Rob, great work. I’m glad you brought up the observation of PC/JS during the RB drills. It was a little too nonchalant and inattentive for a team not knowing Lynch’s status. I’d expect an announcement in the near future about Lynch’s extension. Great work!
I feel a lot more confident (as much as you can be) on the possible direction at #31 now. And in fairness, we did project pass rusher in round one in 2012, the possibility of Christine Michael in 2013 and the likelihood of WR/OL in the first two rounds this year. As noted in the blog post, OL and then WR could be the two early picks. And the player I’m focusing on the most right now is Cameron Erving.
With Carpenter likely to leave, Erving could step right into his spot. Erving has the speed, strength and athletic ability to play any spot on the line. That versatility is something we look for on the O Line. It adds a lot of value at #31. His main weakness is a poor kick slide when blocking on the edge. That is something that Cable can certainly teach him. In a year he could be ready to move from guard to LT, if needed. In the mean time, I see him as being the best OG we have had since Steve Hutchinson.
I’m not convinced he’ll see the left tackle spot again in his career, but he certainly can play any of the three interior spots. He could play left guard immediately and either stay there or eventually replace Max Unger at center.
Yeah, Irving could play LG this year and slide to center if we need cap savings next year (ie cut zinger so we can keep Bruce Irvin or BWags). Or if Britt continues to struggle Irving could play RT and Britt could slide inside. I like the versatility/options his pick would create.
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Can’t argue with anything you say.
But I still think WR is a higher priority than OL, not to mention CB.
Instead of Erving at 31, how about going WR high and Terry Poole in R3-R4?
As discussed in the piece — you can go WR at #31 but the value is probably the same between #55-63. It might not make sense to go WR in the first round if you can get an equally good player in the second and fill another need at #31. And I speak as someone with a real desire to improve the group of wide outs on this roster.
Sorry, by “high” I meant either with 31 or trading back into R2. Either way, go WR with the high pick.
I think what Rob’s saying is that getting bad value from going with WR on the high pick doesn’t sound very alluring. If he’s no better than who might be available with the 2nd round pick at 55-63 it sounds like the high pick could be better spent elsewhere.
You got it arias.
If I can get a similar WR at #31 and #63, I’ll take the receiver at #63 and go in a different direction at #31.
“If” being the major word here… I like P.Rich, but Jordan Matthews would have been a beast for this team. Why wasn’t he chosen? Probably team ‘fit’ psychologically… So it makes me wonder which of these guys ‘fits’ best…
I really liked Conley! Agholor, Dorsett… DGB is off the list now…weak vertical and arm length to risk it!
I agree with you on Beasley, he won’t be available at 31. I actually like Marshall at CB for us. At the Senior Bowl, he only had 5 practices… He looked good from going straight from QB to corner and playing in a all star game of sorts… I haven’t checked the arm length for Lipett, WR out of MSU, but he could also flip from the offensive side of the ball and play corner. Also looks to be a special teams ace.
Great points. Perhaps a low cost solution in free agency at corner with 32″ long arms would be Shareece Wright from the Chargers. Pete and Richard coached him at USC. Wright could replace Lane at nickel and offer insurance for Simon.
I figured we’d bring back Jefferson, looked good last year and has to be an option.
Wright would be a great addition for the right price.
Great work Rob. I’m looking forward to you reviewing the tape on Kenny Bell. Great numbers from a very good blocking WR. He’s sounding Seahawky to me.
I am a Nebraska fan for longer that I’ve even been a Seahawks fan. I’m usually pretty good with predicting their players but Kenny Bell is a guy I can’t confidently predict by any stretch of the imagination. Depending on the situation, Abdullah is a guy who could surprise though (although if we get Lynch resigned this will not be a need in the least). Don’t be fooled by his 40 time, he plays faster and in the right situation is going to be a definite asset for somebody in ’15. I have never understood why RBs don’t run the 40 carrying a football close to their body?
I see Abrullah being a great change of pace back for a team, such as GB. Have Lacy bang away on the defense, then turn Abdullah loose in the second half. If I remember correctly, he is being compared to Ellington with the Cardinals in skill set.
Bell made some great circus catches in big moments at Nebraska. Don’t recall how consistent his hands were, but do know that his QB, Tommy Armstrong, was highly erratic with his accuracy. Nebraska has been a run first team with Abdullah at RB and an athlete at QB.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Kenny-Bell?id=2552421
“Plus competitiveness when going up to snag a pass against defenders. Ball winner.”
We could use some more of that!
Poor running backs… The guy who vaulted himself up the boards was the guy who didn’t even run, (Gurley). We can kiss that option goodbye unless these guys test better at their respective pro days. Gordon was a little bit surprising, but I wouldn’t worry too much about him. He can play football.
Doesn’t matter. Word is Lynch has essentially agreed to SEA’s offer.
Or maybe not…
The twitterverse bites again.
I’m not bothered by the 40 times for the RBs. That position is so much about toughness, vision, anticipation, and shiftiness. I’d be surprised if many RBs in the NFL are running anything close to what they did in the combine. Like an NFL coach told me once during Seahawks training camp, speed is a fickle mistress for NFL players. She moves along really fast after a few injuries, fatigue, and a long season. Better have a back up plan.
Can’t remember which of the commentators said the same thing. Better to look for tackle breakers or something like that.
Yeah, breakaway, 4.4 speed is a great skill to have, don’t get me wrong. But anything under 4.6 is fine for a RB as long as they have the other skills. Gore, Ray Rice, MJD, Emmitt Smith, Shaun Alexander, Terrell Davis, Arian Foster..lots of players with good careers with mediocre 40 times.
Definitely want it if you can get it, but I think it’s even less important to RBs than it is to other skill positions.
I get the Seahawks want that explosive playmaker, but nothing I saw today in 40 times makes me value the RBs any less. There’s some quality NFL players in that group.
We don’t need a RB even if Marshawn retires anyway. David Johnson and Langford both had really good days and boosted their stock. Was surprised at the lack of speed at the position. Gurley and Coleman didn’t participate. I’d bet when either one of those 2 is healthy they run a sub 4.5 easy.
And how many times does a running back run in a straight line? Other than when they get to the sideline, not a whole lot,
Great site! The write-ups are better than any other Seahawks site. I’ve checked you out in the past, but never anything regularly (even previous draft seasons). That’s going to have to change. Thanks for the Hawks news… I need something to look forward to because looking back a few weeks is still much too painful and flat out sucks.
Thanks Bob!
The best hawks site I’ve seen and maybe the best draft sites out there as well. Rob covers a lot of prospects and puts out a lot material almost daily. You also get one of the best comment boards too, very little hate and wide range of perspectives by informed people.
Thanks Rowdy!
“…very little hate and wide range of perspectives by informed people.” Very much looking forward to it!
TNT has been lacking there lately hasn’t it Bobby?
Gordens 10 yard slit surprised me the most. I wonder if he put weight and lost a step or carries the pad weight better? Definitely a disappointing performance from him.
I still think going after Julius Thomas is a mistake, especially for what he will want to be compensated. I wonder if Jabaal Sheard isn’t the LEO we have been missing since we had a healthy Clemons. I can’t help but think that going after him would be money better spent. He had a down year so maybe he comes a tiny bit cheaper, but I imagine DQ will be looking at him for Atlanta as well.
Maybe with all the hubub about the receivers there will be someone who falls to us that we aren’t expecting to. La’el or Jaelen Collins dropping to #31 is unlikely, but could be a no brainer for us if it does happen.
When it comes to going after a receiver, especially the first one we target, I sincerely hope we go for the most polished, gritty, ready to play guy as opposed to anyone with the “upside” label. Going after Coates, DGB, Smith, or Funchess would make me think PCJS haven’t learned from their mistakes. Agholor, McBride, Lockett, or Dorsett are the only receivers (at this point, at least) that I hope we target in the first 2 rounds. Guys like Conley and Waller could be worth a look on day 3, if they are still around.
Of course, things are going to be different if PCJS have confidence in Chris Matthews to produce next year. His size, hands, and high pointing were such a tease, and we have to wait seven months to find out if they are for real.
Pass rushers have been generating a ton of cash on the open market in recent years. I wouldn’t expect Jabaal Sheard to come cheap. The Seahawks have paid out to Bennett and Avril, it’s pretty unlikely they pay another long term big money deal to a free agent who will essentially act as a third wheel.
Thing we have to remember with Thomas — after Gronk and Jimmy Graham, he’s the next most explosive TE in the league. 4.64 speed at 250lbs. 24 touchdowns in the last two seasons. If he was in this draft we’d all be salivating over a prospect like that. Seattle’s defense ranked #1 in every category again despite losing Clemons. The offense can take a much bigger jump in production with a guy like Thomas on the books. There’s so much more to gain on offense. The defense can’t improve on #1 in the league.
I totally agree, and of the name free agents that could be signed JT would definitely offer the most bang for the buck of any position on the field even though he won’t come cheap. Production at TE spot has the most room for improvement, and I think it’s better served to have a veteran pass catcher signed in free agency be at tight end than a wide receiver possibly cock blocking the continuing development of the youngsters on the receiving core. I think Kearse did enough of that last year and it really hindered the ability to develop Norwood/Richardson and even see Matthews as much as I think we should.
Yet, as someone who made Julius his first round selection in the ’14 FF drafts across the board, I think I’m a little more tuned in than most as to just how disappointing he was down the stretch last season. What was supposed to be an injury that kept him out of one game somehow turned into 3, and he was pretty much useless for the near entirety of the 2nd half of the season. If he’s that fragile coming back from injury without complications, that would make paying him 8 mil a year totally unpalatable.
He had a strange 2014 didn’t he — less than 500 yards and yet 12 touchdowns.
Rob- I completely agree. Not to mention that the TE class is clearly weaker than pass rushers. I like Sheard a lot too. Lil’ Stink. He’d be a great fit for us, but it just doesn’t make sense for us to get another higher priced DE.
I guess my thought is that you can never have too much of a pass rush. Rob, you’re probably better suited to answer this than me, but wasn’t our weak side pass rush kind of soft spot in this defense? I know Bennett can line up anywhere, and that he and Avril had a tremendous amount of QB pressures, but it just seems like something was missing from the pass rush this year. Don’t know if it was not having Clinton McDonald, or a healthy Clemons, or just my imagination. I just see a guy like Sheard having a synergistic sort of impact for our DL.
I also think that just because you are #1 at something doesn’t mean you can’t improve 🙂
I admit that the likelihood of losing Maxwell, and having Lane, Mebane, and Hill coming back from injuries has let a tiny bit of doubt creep into my mind.
I agree that we would all be salivating over Thomas if he was in the draft. But that would also come with an affordable rookie contract, as opposed to one that’s north of $8 million dollars a year. As it is he comes with a history of injuries and a rep as a poor blocker. Perusing Broncos fan sites makes me think their fans won’t miss him. Fair or not, he has the label of being soft.
It just gives me flashbacks to the Percy Harvin scenario. Bringing in a high (and over) priced guy who, despite all their talent, is far from a complete player. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think signing Thomas would be anywhere near a spectacular failure as Harvin was. He just isn’t the all around player that Gronk is, and I’m not sure he’s as good of a red zone target as Graham is, yet he’s looking to get paid the same sort of money.
I guess all that matters is if PCJS think he fits the mold of what they want in a Seahawk. He certainly seems to have the talent.
Anyway… Keep up the good work. Your blog has become daily reading for a lot of us.
I think they could use a third edge rusher — unless Cassius Marsh comes good and stays healthy. The thing is, very few teams have a duo like Bennett/Avril to begin with. Then you add Bruce Irvin into the mix. That’s fearsome. The defense, while not a relentless pass rushing force, was still ranked #1 across the board (yardage, scoring). When Hill was rushing inside it added a totally new dynamic to the defense. If he and Mebane can generate interior pressure next season, I think the edge guys will thrive. I’m a huge Sheard fan but I think you might end up paying a huge salary for him ($8m APY) so he can spell Avril. I’d rather find a cheaper veteran willing to work on a one-year deal or a mid/later round pick on depth. I’d also like to add another body into the interior, again either in FA or the draft.
I’m not concerned about the blocking. We went to a more 6OL scheme and survived without Miller. I’d love to see a weapon on offense that has a defense scratching their head the way Seattle did with Gronk. And then there’s the play where you get the mismatch and it’s an automatic TD or a big first down. Or he takes away a corner allowing you to target someone else. That, for me, is the only thing missing on this offense.
Just for comparative purposes, at his Pro Day, Luke Willson ran a 4.46, had a vertical of 38″, a broad jump of 10’2″, and did 23 reps. As someone else recently posted, put him on a jugs machine and don’t let him get off until he catches 200 passes in a row each day! He’s a beast and we have to get more production from him.
He’s a nice weapon, but the Seahawks need more.
So with 11 picks, I think the Hawk’s draft might look something like this:
RD 1-Trade down, or WR
RD 2-WR or OL
RD 3-OL or TE
RD 4-WR/DT and CB(comp)
RD 5-DT/CB and OL(comp)
RD 6-OL/TE and FS/SS(comp)
RD 7-DE/TE and OL(comp)
If they do trade down from RD 1, they might go with a 2nd this year and a 5-6th next year, or maybe they stock up on later round picks this year. CB, will be important, but knowing PC/JS they have later round guys pegged. Also, only guessing on the comp pick placement.
The team needs some LB depth, so I think they will grab one somewhere in the draft. One that can play MLB specifically.
Penn St MLB Mike Hull had is a very impressive guy in the mold of Heath Farwell and Brock Coyle. Plus we know how Seattle likes guys from Penn St, and they have a great rep for producing solid LBs. Could be had with a 7th round pick or as an UDFA.
I knew Jake Fisher would impress, even more impressive though, is your coverage of the combine, good job rob your killing it!
Thanks man — I’m glad people are enjoying it. I’ve worked more hours in the last two days than I usually do for the day job. Loving every minute!
“I’ve worked more hours in the last two days than I usually do for my day job.”:) If only we all had day jobs that were our passion, it’d be win-win for us and our employers!
I don’t watch tapes like and most of the participants here on this site but after reading everyone’s comments about the receivers, I’m really against picking Coates, Fuchess, or Perriman high. If it’s the 3rd or 4th round or later (not likely those guys will be available then but…) but we really need to hit it on our receiver (whether it’s a WR or TE) picks this year and can’t afford to bet big on potential athleticism/upside and then lose big. Our current receivers give their all and maximize their abilities but the stark truth is that they’re very average and pedestrian and we need better weapons on offense. If Lynch does sign that extension rather than retire, we can put off the depressing and difficult plan for life after Beastmode. In regards to Thomas, he might be expensive but if he can stay healthy (a big IF), he’d probably be worth it as he definitely would be a threat that other defenses HAVE to scheme for, thus opening up our offense elsewhere. I’m not all in yet with signing Thomas but if that happened, I’d feel a little better about it than when I heard about that huge contract and the draft picks traded away for Harvin.
I’m crossing my fingers that with more reps as a starter that Simon will turn out to be another solid starting CB for the LOB. Otherwise, CB might be an issue in talent and depth this year. Either way, we need to reload with draft picks and/or FA signings so that our greatest strength, the defensive secondary, remains that way.
And as others have noted here, keep up the great work Rob! I come to this site and read your articles and everyone’s comments at least a couple of times a day!
Tien
From the lack of depth shaping up at CB in this draft, the team might just be at the mercy of seeing what they have with Simon come hell or highwater. Unfortunately, I don’t find that thought very reassuring.
Sure the hawks have been good at developing starting corners from late round picks, but those late round guys aren’t going to be providing the immediate relief the RCB spot needs should Simon start flailing again next season. Sherman was the only late round corner that came in and dominated from his first start midway through his rookie year, and obviously gems like him are generational talents. They’d have a better shot trying the CFL reclamation project route that yielded them Browner than finding another Sherman in the late rounds.
Don’t forget that Maxwell didn’t even see the field until midway through his third year. DL Hill didn’t come on until the end of his second year. Former RT Giaccamini didn’t come on until his fifth year. Carroll told Earl Thomas he was going to get benched if he didn’t start listening.
The Seahawks, perhaps better than any other team, teach their players. I have little doubt that the lightbulb will go on for Simon and in two years we will be wondering who can replace him as he hits the free agent market and is too expensive.
Rob, like everyone else, I just want to say you are doing a great job. I’m sold on Tre McBride with the Seahawks’ second pick. I still like Breshad Perriman more than you, and its unfortunate we couldn’t see him work out today. I know you think Perriman is like Coates. But Perriman makes difficult catches looks easy at times, so I think his hands are much, much better than Coates. After Perriman’s combine, we’ll have a better sense of whether he is worth the Seahawks’ first pick. I think the hawks need two WRs out of this draft. So I’d be happy with any of these scenarios: Perriman and McBride; Dorsett and McBride; or McBride and Chris Connelly. If Tom Cable can convert a former Dlineman to play Oline, then I don’t think they need to pick an Olinemen early in the draft. Same goes with CB. Tony Lippett and/or Nick Marshall could become excellent CBs under the tutelage of Kris Richard.
Trading down makes sense in this draft. But the hawks should either get both their receivers in the second round, or get one in the second and the other in the third. Like you’ve said, the TEs in this draft are not appealing. So the hawks should target one in free agency.
Thanks Lou!
I am with you Lou, Perrimans hand while not great I think can be ok.
3rd in on Perriman
Perriman looks impressive BUT take a look at the level of competition. Duke, UConn, SMU etc. Wonder would he dominate the likes of Collins, Wayne’s and Peters? Just a food for thought.
So here’s a question for you Rob: as big as the need is and as shallow as the talent pool is, how far does Jalen Collins have to fall before you think about trading up for him? 21? 25?
Honestly, the more I look at this group the less inclined I am to move up. And I really like Collins.
I don’t like moving up unless it’s for a potential franchise QB and thank goodness we don’t need one of those. Every regime whiffs on picks. That’s the way it is. Our regime is about the best there is but they drafted guys like Carp, Moffitt, Durham, EJ Wilson, Harper, etc. in the first four rounds. There’s more, too. It’s not a knock – I’m just saying that collecting more picks is better than giving more picks away. We all know there are going to be busts (just like Collins may be – I really thought Morris Claiborne was going to be a good LSU CB in the NFL but he’s been bad and they traded up to get him), but having more picks allows us to hit the jackpot more often, too. Besides, I’d rather trade down for a Rollins than trade up for a Collins if we’re talking about CB.
A different way to look at a position group is that all it takes is one good player and you really won’t care if it was a deep position. For example, lets say we take Maxx Williams, who isn’t even old enough to buy a beer, and he turns out to be a stud… then we won’t care that most of the rest of the TEs sucked. I’m not saying that’s who I want, but if we did get a Brandon Marshall/Maxx Williams combo, that might not be a bad thing (especially if we could trade into the early second round to get him). Of course, that’s assuming a leopard changes his spots in terms of Marshall, which isn’t exactly likely. That may be just as good as signing Thomas and drafting a WR in the first round. Or if a group like WR is deep, but we take the guy that sucks… well, that sucks, too. Some is the luck of the draw and I’d rather have a draft with more picks so we have a chance to get “lucky” more often – if this rambling makes any sense.
the only problem with that is that most the teams tradeing up are either ok or worse. our team is pretty set where one great player can make a difference.
Huh… To me, hating a position group would actually make me want to move up for a specific player of said position even more. For instance: Hawks need a CB badly (with Simon’s lack of readiness and Lane’s injury), and Collins really is the only Seahawky option… If he falls to 20, and the cost is ‘just’ a 1st/4th/non-Harvin 6th, maybe it’s worth pulling the trigger, considering he’s the only really viable option?
Recent history has shown that kind of deal would cost at least a third round pick (San Fran 2013 traded a third to get Eric Red — 31-18). That third rounder was #74 — not San Fran’s late third. So for a similar deal Seattle probably has to give up a 4th or 5th too. That would be an expensive deal. I’m a huge Jalen Collins fan, but Seattle has a few holes to fill and putting all your eggs in that basket would be hard to take. Plus — this is a team that has found and developed cornerbacks out of thin air. I’m not sure they’ll need a big move to fill this particular hole.
Even if Lynch re-signs, are we automatically crossing Gurley off the list at #31 overall if he is still available? Let’s say he does a medical redshirt in yr1 and we sign Lynch to a 2-yr deal. Then in 2016, Gurley can be the heir apparent for a season before taking the reins. If WR is such a deep position, maybe we sit tight until rd2.
Or, would drafting Gurley mess with Lynch and damage the relationship between Lynch and PC/JS? In other words, is Gurley a candidate ONLY if Lynch retires?
I suppose you can’t rule it out. I really like Gurley. They’d have to balance out how it would impact Lynch drafting his replacement, plus the fact you’re not filling any holes with your top pick. Tough one. Good point you raise there.
If they really do give him 20 mil over the next two years with most of it guaranteed I’m not really sure why Lynch would take any affront at all too drafting an injured Gurley for 3 years down the road.
You don’t draft RBs for “three years down the road”. They have limited shelf-life, falling off the cliff typically by age 30.
I love Gurley as a 1-2 push, though. But then what would that say of Christine Michael.
You only draft Gurley if they can get out of Lynch’s (new) deal after year one.
*1-2 punch*
I was going to post the same thing. If top WR and CB options are off the board, I would have no problem taking Gurley and then going WR in Round 2. Give him a red-shirt year if need be…if he contributes earlier, great. Plug a hole before it materializes (and in this case, we know it’s coming soon). As a bonus, you just filled a skill position on a rookie contract for 4 years.
Just watched some clips of Chris Conley at Georgia and a mic’d up feature. Man he makes some big plays. Laying out for the ball, driving separation at the base of the route and finishing, high pointing. Really smooth athlete. Great talker and appears to be a leader. Can’t wait to watch more. Impressive.
The kid is just insane, those combine numbers you reported are like from another planet. Like what did this kid eat for breakfast alongside his wheaties? Eye poppingly shocking. I’m going to have to scour what I can find on this kid now, because it seems almost too unreal to be real. Something prevented him from being a known commodity until now with numbers like that.
He’s a player coach, right? He’s a perfectionist and a technician. I wouldn’t say he’s a natural as he dropped some balls during drills today. He has that Seahawks work ethic and will fit right in.
Definitely had his Wheaties. He should get his own box with him on it after that Combine performance. 3rd or 4th round? I’m in.
If the Hawks get two WRs in this draft, I hope that it is Agholor and Conley. Agholor as the more polished immediate contributor at 4th WR/PR/KR and Conley as a developmental player and special teams phenom.
I’m hoping for Agholor and McBride, although Conley impresses as an athlete.
Conley is a flat-out freak, There’s a very good article from Sport’s Illustrated on him that really shed’s some light on what kind of person and football character he is. Has only been playing football since his SO year of HS, so there’s a ton to work with.
This is the guy in round 2. I like him more than Mcbride. I would like us to pick up Erving out of FSU in round 1. I like Maupet in the 3rd. J. James TE in the 4th. D. Johnson NIU in the 4th. Marshall in the 5th.
Round two might be a tad early. Still a lot of rawness to his game, doesn’t look natural. Insane upside but will need time.
This kid’s draft stock has risen – and I really would love to see him as a Seahawk!
Nate Orchard is a player that doesn’t get talked about a lot. In terms of the LEO position, his measurables probably couldn’t be more ideal. He’s actually bigger than Eli Harold, with longer arms. His sack production in his last year often seems to label him as a one year wonder. It’ll be interesting to see how athletic he is.
Big issue with Orchard is the ten yard split. He has length but is he going to get in the 1.50 range like Avril and Irvin? I’m not convinced. Harold has a legit shot to post a 1.50 split.
3sigmaathlete.com has Conley projected SPARQ score as 145.5 and McBride’s at 130.9. Safe to say that they are on the short list for the Seahawks now at WR. By the way Rob doing a great job.
Conley quite impressive as a receiver too in the short clips available. As for McBride — wonderful talent.
It’s being reported that Lynch has agreed to a new deal.
In a couple years from now: if the Seahawks drafted DGB, have PRich on the other side, have Baldwin in the slot… Look out.
Kevin White looks like a linebacker, body wise. Dude’s a freak.
That’s if DGB doesn’t get himself thrown out of the league…
I haven’t seen much of this player, but OT Laurence Gibson tested really well across the board. He was sub par at the bench with only 24 reps, which can be excused somewhat because of his 35″ arms. His jumps are very impressive. Lengthy and athletic on paper.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Laurence-Gibson?id=2552665
His strengths are what we look for. Weaknesses are things that can be worked on in the gym and with Tom Cable.
Great eye Matt. I asked Rob about him a month or so ago. He’s one hell of an athlete and should be available on day 3 and a sRob pointed out, Cable loves going after athletic O-lineman late in the draft.
Nice eye Matt!
The most impressive overall group to me thus far are the OG/RT types… quite a few huge 320 lb+ guys who can move. Logically, the best-available-athlete at #31 will be the replacement for Carp. A very good WR should be there as well, but yet again it won’t likely be the SE type we need. Sign Thomas as our big FA acquisition this year and wait until R2 or R3 for the WR. If an elite DT falls into our lap (Goldman, Brown or Phillips?) you can never go wrong with that kind of pick. Leo seems to be a strong position, but Avril and Irvin lessen the need. My big worry is that suddenly our biggest need is CB. With Maxwell as good as gone, and Lane on the PUP, and Simon not ready (and may never be), we are in serious trouble. It is especially troubling since there appear to be few decent Seahawky CB prospects. If John and Pete can find a CB capable of starting and winning as a rookie, they will have again reached the Russell Wilson/Richard Sherman/Kam Chancellor stratosphere.
Lest we forget (much as we would like to), two of the past three years the Seahawks have lost a playoff game to the Falcons and the Super Bowl to NE in large part because their TE got deep on our LBs (Gonzalez vs Bobby Wagner and Gronkowski vs KJ Wright). This is not lost on Pete and John. Eventually, a good OC and a good QB can get their TE matched up on a LB deep. If you have the right TE, game over. Even a top SE is going to eventually be matched up against the other team’s pro bowl CB in the playoffs and a stand-still or worse is likely to result (unless you have Megatron or Dez, which isn’t going to happen at #31). An elite deep-threat TE has more potential to score the winning TD in the playoffs. Thomas as a FA is the way to go, forget the WR in R1, and go for a big-ugly.
Hard to argue with that James.
the weird thing with that is that the Seahawks have generally done really well against TEs with their LBers. The few times that they struggled, they’ve lost (SD with Gates, NE with Gronk, ATL with Gonzalez). I remember Jimmy Graham just be utterly negated by KJ in the two games last year. I also remember Vernon Davis and Julian Thomas being adequately neutralized.
CB is definitely the most concerning need based on what’s available. I think you’re exactly right — the best value at #31 will probably end up being at OT/OG. You can’t fight the board. They kind of did last year and, well, Joel Bitonio is now in Cleveland. But if a top defensive prospect does fall — they also have that option. But generally they seem to target a player they know will be there and find a way to get them, instead of drafting the surprise faller.
It is difficult to know exactly what will happen in the draft. Clearly, there is a big group of quality WR’s that are going to be available in the 2nd thru 4th rounds. There are not that many teams that have a big need for a WR. Oakland at 4 and Cleveland at 12 and 20, Houston and Kansas City would seem to be the most obvious. These teams have other needs, as well. If the top two QB’s go one and two, Oakland may be inspired to go for a DL in round one and wait for a WR at the top of round two. That is what I would do. The other WR needy teams may follow this same logic leading to a fall down the board for the top three WR’s. I cannot say that any of the top three would fall all the way to #31 but we should keep an eye on Houston’s pick. The longer it takes for the first WR to come off the board the more likely teams will be to wait until the following rounds knowing the supply is abundant.
I’ll start with Conely, if that guy is there on day 3 it’s an immediate pick. (i really want this guy even in the 3rd)
The CB situation can be solved with a top interior pass rusher in FA. Pass rush make CBs shine. If we do not see the guy that will upgrade Simon, we need to solve it with DL pressure rather then fight the board. Another option is to bring WT III back for a prove it year. (If we go pass rush on FA i believe they will go for Maxx in the draft).
Just like last year, i’ll be very surprised if the Seahawks pick on day 1. I think they will trade back for a 2nd and 3rd picks. They will probably use both of those on WRs and the other 2nd and 3rd picks on OL and DL.(If they go TE in FA)
Day 3 (7-8 picks) should see LB,OL,DL,CB and and whatever gems they found.
P.S. – if we don’t overspend in FA, whoever we get will be balanced with Carp and Maxi’s 10M contract will give us another 3rd next year.
I agree Erin. If they don’t think Auburn’s Nick Marshall is a special/unique talent for the CB position, than getting a big time pass rushers negates some of that pressure.
Sorry, I meant to say Eran.
Lets say the 1st round draft looks like this prior to the magical #31 pick
2 QB, 2 RB, 6 WR, 1 TE, 4 OT, 1 OG, 3 DT, 3 DE, 5 LB/LEO, 2 CB, 1 S
What position group would have the most value at #31?
There should be great value in the OL and WR positions, but are game changing starters available at #31. I do not believe so. This leads me to believe the Seahawks will trade the pick back to early 2nd round. The trade partner will then grab the 3rd best QB at #31 and Seattle would grab WR/OL in early second round. The likely trading partners could be the Bears, Titans or Jets. The Bears make the most sense, they need a back-up QB in the worst way to push Cutler. Bears throw in a 3rd or 4th RD pick in 2015 and a 5th in 2016…. DEAL.
The QB that could force a trade up by a team, Bryce Petty out of Baylor. All the reports are that he had an all around great combine. He looked good throwing the football and had decent interviews.
The third best QB is Brett Hundley — I fear for the team who trades into the first round to take him.
Hey Rob,
I was musing about Hundley. Think there is any chance if the instant trade down doesn’t happen, that we grab him as a chip to trade back into the 2nd? And if that doesn’t work out, well, now we can go away from TJax and save a little scratch on a long term backup who might be worth more in long term value?
Just a thought I was mulling.
I’m not Rob, and sorry to interrupt, but I’ve kind of been waiting for someone to ask about Seattle taking a QB.
Alabama’s Blake Sims seems like the perfect fit. Same height as RW, mobile, good fit in the locker room. I could see Seattle taking him with their 7th rounder or as a priority UDFA.
Thanks Rob for the great write up, I always look forward to reading your latest thoughts.
The draft can’t get here soon enough. In my world, the perfect outcome would be:
A) Sign Julius Thomas – TE- Check
b) R1 Todd Gurley- RB after Lynch- Check
c) R2 Mcbride or Agolor- WR / ST – Check – Should trade up to to mid R2
d) R3 OL – Check
e) R4 Conley WR/ ST/ CB – Check
Imagine the upgrade on offense with Lynch, (Speedy TE) Thomas, (Speedy WR) Mcbride, (speedy WR) Richardson, (Tall WR) ) Matthews, and (Dependable WR) Baldwin, Kearse, Norwood, Lockett.
And Gurley waiting for his time next year.
Thanks Donald!
David Johnson put up really nice numbers and fits the size requirements to a tee. What round is he projected at? Other then bench buck allen had a good combine but Johnson probably had the best numbers of the rb ‘ s
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=lITpVJH7Ns-oogSjlIKICQ&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DIxC1LvZ5hSM&ved=0CCQQuAIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNGHuKPtrPJ0eilYB9rfoNIxWOUiBA&sig2=GDfLHsnHCT-B1tb7FCZUbw
Seems to have mentality to a tee too. Looks like a good receiver and returner, has a sudden step a unique cutting ability that’s lynch like.
Best back for Seahawks after Gordon and Gurley.
I think the value at 31 is going to be D Line I think there is a very good chance Phillips or Goldman are there at 31, I also don’t think it is out of the realm of possibility that CB Collins is there at 31 PJ Williams is going to blow the combine up and maybe somebody like Johnson or Rollins sneaks in to a more zone coverage team late in RD 1. If we take WR #31-40 I like DGB or Perriman if his pro day goes well I herd from Tony Pauline before Shrine Game that McBride was soft cited by area scouts . I like Nelson Agholor but is he just a slot receiver or can he be more? Because if he is most valuable in the slot then than I would just draft Hardy in the 3RD, Hardy is kind of poor mans Jarvis Landry.
I didn’t see a soft player watching McBride.
Nor did I. There was nothing soft about McBride today or when watching his tape.
He was pumped up during the forty and drills.
Love that spark he plays with. Very ‘Seahawky.’
He was the only WR to run quickly all the way ‘through and finish’ his 40…Feels like he was saying, “hey Seattle, come get me! I am a finisher!!”
I’d Love to have him.
My order of preference at #31:
Harold
Gurley
Collins
Do not see CB as big of a need as others. Like Simon, sign Thurmond a, draft nickel
In terms of WR, I’m on board with the like Rob liste; namely McBride, Dorsett, Aglohor. After the LOB struggled in the SB defending quick slot receivers and big fast TEs I’m sold on getting quicker as an alternative to bigger. Can’t wait to see the cone & shuttle. I’d also def throw in Perriman too as I feel he is an impact/ difference maker who dealt with bad QB play and he attacks the ball. Not high on Strong, long speed but doesn’t separate; looked terrible vs OSU CB Steven Nelson (who I love BTW); only thing I love about strong is his combine results meaning someone takes him ahead of 31. DGB I still want to love but now physical red flags are also piling up. Would def look hard at Furchess and Conley later in the draft with a view to double dipping at WR.
In free agency I don’t like TE / Thomas as much as others; he’s good but that good in Seattle impact-wise? Miller will be back, Willson growing, some cheaper options in the draft. Rather spend the cash elsewhere like Suh or spread across guys like Paea, Wiesniski (SP? Raider C), Sheard, etc
I think he’d probably have an impact in any offense. Thomas, for me, is a shade behind Gronk and Graham. The type of player Seattle hasn’t had in the Carroll era — one who generates constant attention in coverage by the defense.
Have to agree with ya Rob. I’m a huge fan of JT as well. RW, Beastmode, and possibly Julius Thomas? Are you kidding me?
If he’s that good and will have that much impact then great. What will we have a o give up??
If we do go OL with the 1st pick I personally like LSU OL La’ el Collins, Just a mauler in the run game has the right temperament, seems very ‘Seahawky’ and I think he might be there. Dude’s just flat-out nasty.
I’d expect DJ Humphries, TJ Clemmings, Brandon Scherff, Ereck Flowers, Cameron Erving, Jake Fisher, and maybe even Ali Marpet to go before him.
I’m not a huge fan of Scherff personally, but I think someone will take him thinking their getting a Zack Martin clone. Some team will fall in love with Jake Fisher’s athleticism, Cameron Erving’s versatility will appeal to teams, Ereck Flowers and his size and strength will impress. Ali Market may be the best C prospect on the board. Humphries is probably a lock for the top 10, and Clemmons has so much upside.
Whereas Collins didn’t have a standout combine like these other guys, nor he does he have mind blowing size/athleticism, but he screams ‘Seahawk’ at me when watching him, Is there an O-lineman in this draft that would love and enjoy blocking for Marshawn Lunch more than La’ el Collins?
I would love Collins. We need a mauler we can run behind in short yardage situations. I like Sweezy and Unger fine, but it’s hard when you have an entire interior OL and none of them can man up and drive block their guy back. Again, overall, I like Unger and Sweezy. It’s just a strength of theirs and we need someone to balance it out. Someone who can pancake someone at LG is what the doctor is ordering. I am not a fan of Carp at all.
There are times when Carp does maul his opposition. The issue for me is that opponents tend to stack up the box. It’s hard to maul anyone when there are two defenders to worry about.
The passing game has to be more dynamic to relieve the offensive line.
I can overlook all of DGBs shortcomings at 31. Still a beast. If his measurables were any better he wouldn’t be there at 31, anyway.
His biggest shortcoming will probably keep him on the board long into day two if not beyond. And it’s nothing to do with short arms and a lack of hops…
After seeing DGB’s arm length, vertical, and press conference, I have ZERO interest anymore. Let someone else risk and work with that… He can be great possibly, but we need a Quality plug and play player at WR NOW!!
Give me any of Agholor, Conley or McBride!
After watching this combine, I am very excited about getting some “Quality” WR’s this draft!!
Nelson Agholor seemed to be the best hands catcher to me, and with a 4.42 – 40, he has the speed Seattle likes. Chris Conley revealed the ‘force’ that he has. OMG. 45″ Vert! 11’7″ Broad jump! 4.35 – 40! Dude! If we see him as capable, them take him as parts 2.
If we can get 1 of these: Agholor, Conley, McBride, Dorsett, Lockett… then great.
We need TWO of these! Agholor and Conley would be ideal! Can’t wait for April 30th! Draft!!!
Ideas?