The Seahawks don’t have a lot of money to spend. They arguably should have more — the Russell Wilson trade should’ve presented a bigger opportunity in the market this year. That said, this looks like a truly awful free agency class — so it probably doesn’t matter as much as it could’ve done.
So who might they target in free agency?
The Uchenna Nwosu model
This feels like the benchmark for any ‘key’ signing in 2023. Nwosu agreed a decent contract (two-years, $9.5m a year average) but it was far from a big splurge. He was a good age (25) and the length of the deal provided an incentive to earn an even bigger third contract. The Seahawks bet on development.
Nwosu had a career year with 9.5 sacks in 2022. I suspect they’ll have a similar player in mind, possibly two, who can be brought in for a similar value at a similar age and length of deal.
The only problem is — will those types of targets be priced out due to the lack of quality available? The 2023 version of Nwosu might get a much bigger offer this year because the alternatives aren’t there. It only takes one deal — Christian Kirk is a good example a year ago — and the market explodes.
Familiarity is important to the Seahawks
We’ve seen it so many times over the years. Former players returning to Seattle. Rightly or wrongly, Pete Carroll values familiarity and fit. He likes ‘his guys’. There are a number of ‘his guys’ on the market this year and it’ll be a surprise if at least one doesn’t come back. We saw it last season with Quinton Jefferson, Justin Coleman and eventually Bruce Irvin.
How good are the available options?
Even if the Seahawks had the money and the desire to make a big splash, the options simply aren’t there. Carroll and Schneider are doing a lot of media interviews at the moment. They are really pushing the culture, the fit and the vibes around the team. Geno Smith added to that during his press conference with a glowing reference for his employers.
It feels like the big recruitment job is on. I think they’re going to use Smith and Nwosu as examples of what can happen if you join this team and succeed. We’ll see if it pays dividends.
What should the priority be?
Defensive front seven, without doubt.
They can’t rely on just rookies to fix the defense. They need some grizzled veterans who can come in and deliver immediate results.
Plus — the more they get done here, the less pressure there is on the draft. You don’t want to be backed into a corner in April. There could be some very interesting non-defensive options at #5, #20, #38 and #53. You want to have as much flexibility as possible.
I do think they’ll have a ring around the names of Luke Wypler and John Michael Schmitz for the draft. However, they might also stick their toe in the veteran market at center — even if it’s just as a hedge. I think Austin Blythe was a hedge a year ago but Tyler Linderbaum never got into range to be selected. Adding a hedge makes sense, hopefully at a cheaper price than Blythe.
Can they create more cap space?
It seems Shelby Harris is on the way out. That would leave the Seahawks with $17.5m to spend in effective cap space. I suspect they might hold on to Quinton Jefferson for now and then if free agency and the draft goes their way, release him in May. They’ve done stuff like that in the past. If/when he goes, it saves another $4.5m.
I also think it’s time to just rip the band-aid off and move on from Jamal Adams. I don’t think there’s any reason to drag this out. It hasn’t worked, it’s been a bad trade and contract. Let’s just all move on. Designating him as a post-June 1st cut would save $8.4m this year — an amount worth having given Adams’ status for 2023 is unclear. You can reinvest that money in a contributing front-seven defender or center.
I think you can live with these numbers, especially when you can make money back with outs on Quandre Diggs, Will Dissly and Geno Smith next year:
2023 Dead Cap: $9,670,000
2024 Dead Cap: $14,220,000
2023 Cap Savings: $8,440,000
Defensive line targets
Zach Allen (DE, Arizona)
This could be the first player they turn to. Like Nwosu, he’s 25-years-old. He’s perfectly suited to play defensive end in Seattle’s scheme at 6-4, 281lbs with 35-inch arms. He ran a 4.34 short shuttle at his combine, which will appeal to the Seahawks. Allen’s coming off his best season with 5.5 sacks and he feels like an ascending talent. In many ways he’s the ideal target. However, the fact he’s being name-checked in this article suggests someone might be willing to pay him a lot more than Seattle can afford.
A’Shawn Robinson (DE, LA Rams)
He gets the job done in the running game and that’s what Seattle needs. Of course they also need game-wreckers but their run defense last year was appalling at times. They need some guys who understand the scheme and can just slow opponents down. He’s big, strong and long (+34 inch arms) and plays with attitude. He’s just turned 27-years-old. It wouldn’t be a glamorous signing but it could be an effective one.
Greg Gaines (DE, LA Rams)
I’ve always been a fan of Gaines’ dating back to his Washington days. The big issue was length. He only has 31 1/4 inch arms. He ran a reasonable shuttle (4.67) and he was plenty disruptive in college. He’s carried that on for the Rams, although obviously it helps playing next to Vita Vea (UW) and Aaron Donald (LA). Seattle might be willing to overlook the length to get someone with experience in the scheme who is tried and tested. The Rams probably can’t afford to keep both Robinson and Gaines, so we’ll see who they prioritise.
John Cominsky (DE, Detroit)
A great story for the Lions last season, Cominsky was claimed off waivers after being cut by the Falcons. He developed into an important player as the 2022 season progressed, recording four sacks. Detroit’s fans really took to him and he turned into a heart-and-soul type player. He’s 6-5 and 285lbs, 27-years-old and ran a 4.38 short shuttle. He’s another defender who is at a good age, has shown signs of ascension and he fits the scheme. Mike Garafolo thinks he might get $5m-a-year which isn’t extortionate if you believe he’s ascending.
Jihad Ward (DE, New York Giants)
A 28-year-old veteran who’s been around the block, Ward had three sacks for the Giants in 2022 and the fans in New York seem to value his place in the defensive rotation. He’s 6-5 and 287lbs and played for $1.1m last season. There’s scope to bring him in at a reasonable price.
Edge rush targets
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (EDGE, Houston)
He’s a perfect physical fit with a similar frame to Uchenna Nwosu (6-2, 253lbs). He has nearly 34-inch arms. He had five-sacks a year ago in a rotational role, registering a 19% pass rush win rate. He’s 27 and could be a good option on a Nwosu-style deal.
Leonard Floyd (EDGE, LA Rams)
He terrorised Seattle plenty of times and although he turns 31 this year, could he provide some proven production in a scheme he perfectly fits? He has ideal size and length. He had nine sacks in 2022 and 30 in his last three seasons. The team that signs him all but guarantees a 10-sack season. The big question is whether his market is strong enough that he’s simply too expensive.
Anthony Nelson (OLB, Tampa Bay)
He’s been playing OLB for the Buccs and he replaced Shaquil Barrett after he injured his achilles tendon and was lost for the season. Nelson started the final six games and recorded 5.5 sacks and three forced fumbles. He’s 26-years-old and ran a 4.23 short shuttle at his combine. He could be an interesting option at a good age. I’m just not convinced he’s quick enough and although he’s been playing OLB, he’s bigger than your typical player for that role.
Frank Clark (EDGE, Kansas City)
I suspect the Seahawks are already lighting up his phone simply because of familiarity. At 29-years-old and still making plays in the playoffs, Clark will likely command a lot of attention. He’s not an ideal scheme fit and it’s hard to work out exactly where he would play — but if his market is colder than expected, they could reconnect.
Center targets
Garrett Bradbury (C, Minnesota)
He’s 27, he’s a perfect scheme fit and he ran a 4.53 short shuttle at his combine. The only question is cost. Is there a big market for him? If not, the Seahawks could secure this position before the draft. It’s hard to tell what he can expect to get on the open market. I think the presence of Luke Wypler and John Michael Schmitz in the draft might mean they prefer to add a cheaper veteran and draft a center.
Jake Brendel (C, San Francisco)
He did a terrific job replacing Alex Mack for the 49ers and he’s another great scheme fit with his size. His agility testing — he ran a 4.27 short shuttle at 303lbs — will be very attractive. The Niners aren’t flush with cash and the Seahawks might be able to steal him away. He’s older (turns 31 in September) so might be cheaper.
Coleman Shelton (C, LA Rams)
Shelton had an option on his contract which means he had a choice on whether to become a free agent. Sean McVay confirmed he’s taken that option. He has experience in the scheme and he did a good job replacing Brian Allen in 2022. He’s a former Husky so he has roots in the PNW. His agility testing is strong (4.59 short shuttle). He’s a veteran option and could make for a useful draft hedge.
Linebacker
Cole Holcomb (LB, Cleveland)
Holcomb plays with his hair (a mullet, as it happens) on fire. He’s 240lbs and truly old-school in his approach. Even so, he’s very athletic — running a brilliant 4.14 short shuttle at his combine. He became a starter last year before an injury curtailed his season. He’s 26-years-old and would be a good addition as someone who can start in the middle while Jordyn Brooks recovers — then play next to him when he’s back.
Drue Tranquill (LB, LA Chargers)
Over the years we’ve noted the importance of the short shuttle at linebacker for Seattle. Tranquill, like Holcomb, ran a 4.14 at his combine. He’s 6-2, 234lbs and turns 28 in August. He graded well as a pass rusher (76.4) and in coverage (76.7) in 2022 according to PFF. He could be viewed as a player at a good age with an ascending performance level.
Lavonte David (LB, Tampa Bay)
He’s going to hit the market and he remains one of my favourite players in the league. David plays with so much speed and violence, even at 33-years-old. I would love to imagine it’s possible to get him but I’m guessing he’ll be too expensive.
Bobby Wagner (LB, LA Rams)
John Schneider confirmed on 710 Seattle Sports that a conversation has been had with Wagner. I’m sure the team is open to a return but it’ll have to be for the right price and by the sounds of it, the Seahawks have other priorities to address first (D-line). I can imagine this is a situation where should Wagner experience a market similar to a year ago, if the deal comes to Seattle they’ll welcome him back. If someone else steps up to the plate, they won’t get into a bidding war.
Erik Kendricks (LB, Minnesota)
His brother spent time in Seattle and while Kendricks is now 31-years-old, he could provide cheap cover for Jordyn Brooks. He ran a 4.14 short shuttle back in the day and if he’s retained some of his agility, he’ll appeal.
Other positions
Rashaad Penny (RB, Seattle)
I think they’ll be keen to bring Penny back — as a draft hedge if nothing else. But his injury history will mean this has to be a team friendly deal.
Drew Lock (QB, Seattle)
The price would have to be right — and the fact they’re toying with drafting a quarterback probably means Lock will seek a destination where he has more of a future. However, if his market is cold — he’d be a welcome returnee to back-up Geno Smith.
Shaquill Griffin (CB, Jacksonville)
I have no real interest in bringing Griffin back unless it’s on a deal similar to Artie Burns’. If he can be had as cheap competition, that’s fine. It’s worth noting that Seattle made a push to keep him before he signed in Jacksonville — so he could be ‘one of their guys’ they’re comfortable bringing back.
Too expensive?
Javon Hargrave (DT, Philadelphia)
ESPN keeps writing what an ideal fit Hargrave would be but it’s not the kind of deal the Seahawks typically go for. His 17.2% pass rush win rate would be a great addition but he’s just turned 30 and is being projected to earn around $20m a year. I’m not sure they would’ve got into a bidding war on that price even if he was 26.
Dre’Mont Jones (DT, Denver)
He’s being touted as a big-money target for several teams and the chances are he’ll cost way more than his true value.
Germaine Pratt (LB, Cincinnati)
He received an 80.6 PFF grade in 2022 (and a 90.1 grade in coverage). He’s turned into one of the best linebacker’s few people talk about. Pratt turns 27 in May and is typically the kind of player who you’d expect to get a good pay-day, even with a lot of linebackers on the market.
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Being a GM seems like an incredibly difficult job.
Really interesting stuff Rob. What do you think of Ben Jones at C if he doesn’t retire? I think it would be great to get someone with his experience, especially if he isn’t too expensive.
Released for a season, probably because he’s near the end
What kind of compensation do you think Tennessee would want for Jeffery Simmons?
Too much!
“Just don’t give anyone two first round picks. Ever again.”
Again I cried. Even if he’d played decently and been healthy, it was too much to give up. But then to get what little we got from him…..man. 🙁
I wish they’d cut him and move on as you suggested Rob, but I’m guessing Carroll’s ego won’t allow it. I think the best we can hope for is a restructuring of his contract. I pray I’m wrong tho.
I might add, remember the days when they moved on from mistakes quickly e.g. Percy Harvin. LJ Collier seems to prove those days are history
Pretty different situations if you ask me Big Mike
Harvin was toxic in the locker room. I’ve not heard anything negative about Collier as a teammate.
Besides which, Harvin cost more for one season than Collier’s entire rookie contract.
There’s just no incentive to have moved away from LJ sooner.
Now Adams…that’s a different story. But I think he’s been too expensive to walk away from thus far
Their *moving on* has always been selective, though.
My impression is that they are less likely to move on (and admit mistakes) if the initial move was considered controversial or if there was a vocal group criticizing it.
Adams would fall into that category, I’d say.
It does seem earlier on they were far less likely to fall victim to sunk cost fallacies. The J.Adams situation calls into question if they even know what it means anymore.
Obviously, it’s easy to look back on now and say it was way too much draft compensation to give up, And you may have even felt that it was at the time. But Jamal was a 24 year old 2 time All Pro. That’s a HoF career trajectory. It definitely didn’t work out, but if he stayed healthy and just maintained his level of play 2 1sts and a third is nothing. Especially with PCJS draft record during this time.
Many of us hated the trade at the time and have been vindicated in holding that opinion
Not just because of the injuries either
It was incredible amount they gave up. The amount that typically you would only trade for a QB or a premier CB/LT
The fact that AJ Brown only cost one first rounder says it all
Definitely not disagreeing with the idea it was too much compensation. And you absolutely nailed it back then. Just that if Jamal had kept playing at his trajectory it wouldn’t look quite so bad. As it stands, it’s probably the worst trade of the PCJS era. Giving up that much compensation for a non-premier position was a huge gamble and it didn’t pay off. At all. Just sad that he never really even got to be the player they traded for. Both for him and the team.
I don’t think he ever would’ve been to be honest. He benefited from a very aggressive, creative defense with Gregg Williams. Seattle were never going to be able to recreate that environment for him.
I can’t shake the feeling that the trade was related to some pressure from Russ to get “stars” and an attempt to see if they could help the relationship there by getting some top young talent in the locker room in the hopes of turning things around. Nothing to base this on other than some of the moves they made around the time the relationship started to sour seem desperate. It turned out about as bad as it can, for reasons that were hard to see coming. But it would’ve been nice if he was simply an over priced to get and overpaid to keep perennial all pro. I don’t think anyone would mind that too much. I mean, that happens all a lot and it’s not too big of a deal if you have 1 of those on your roster.
I thought Jamal left NY because he was in a contract dispute. Maybe avoid getting involved in that relationship again
The boys at ESPN suggest Ryan Kelly could be traded or released. He could be an intriguing option.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/35820389/nfl-free-agency-trade-buzz-latest-aaron-rodgers-lamar-jackson-free-agent-sleepers#sellers
Would only be being released for a reason
Prefer a long term option
Shout out to cha for the excellent primer on the cap situation. The bad news, there ain’t no money. The good news, they can shake the cap tree and make some. The best news, they’ve handled their business really well so far this offseason.
knowing their love for a first round reclamation project i wonder if they look at devin bush seeing as it seems the steelers aren’t resigning him.
The thing I like most about Bush is he’s always been excellent in coverage.
One of the most under-the-radar aspects of this poor defense. Brooks and Barton are horrendous when thrown at.
If they can get Bush for a very minimum deal with no guarantees, I’d sign on for that.
spotrac reckon 3mil which would be right in our wheelhouse if they’re right
Even that is rich for me. 1yr vet min nonguranteed with playtime incentives to reach $3m.
The Seahawks badly need to score some steals this offseason.
Rob, we appreciate that you are consistently putting out quality content.
I am very tired of the Seahawks holding on to “their guys”. At some point production and availablility has to be a priority over just holding onto playuers that Pete and John like.
Take Cody Barton, for example. It is very obvious to everyone that he should not be a starting linebacker in any professional football league. If the Seahawks actullay want to field a competent defense, they need to get rid of players like Barton or Jamal Adams that don’t play or, when they do, can’t make any plays to help get the opponents offense off of the field.
I have to disagree on bringing back Penny. I am surpised when he doesn’t hurt himself walking off of the team bus. They need to bring in players that might be abailable more than a quarter of the season. Especially at a position like Running Back that takes a ounding every game.
I beleive that they should be more ruthless in getting rid of and not playing those who don’t produce and are not available. The NFL is not an 8 year old baseball league where everyone is guranteed playing time.
About Cody Barton, he’s playing on his rookie deal. Not sure that qualifies as holding on to a player. Even if we all agree he should have been replaced by someone better.
Penny is a better example and I totally understand your perspective. But if he’s willing to resign for a reasonable amount (to me, something less than last year’s $5.63m), I think it’s well worth it because he’s on the field he’s electric.
Blitzy, I understand your point of view about Barton. I would like to see them emphasize production more. I don’t care if it someone they signed as a rookie or pulled off of a practice squad. LJ Collier has been holding down a roster spot only because he was a high draft pick not because he will ever be a good player. If someone can’t get on the field and make any plays then move on to another player.
Vander Esch if healthy?
Elmer’s gut says they are less likely to cut ties with players who they feel have high potential. Therefore it would not be a surprise if they keep Adams and pay the price in terms of $$$$ flexibility. 👱
This is a great piece Rob. So well thought out.
I like Cominsky. Do yourself a favor and search him on google images and you’ll be rewarded with pics of what an old-school football player with modern-day measureless looks like.
He’s a terrific fit for the Lions and practically begged the Lions to resign him on the internet so it’s hard to see him coming to Seattle.
They need to pair a couple big moves at key spots with some extreme value moves at the others.
If they cut Harris and immediately spend that $9m on three do-nothing role players, they’re just spinning their wheels. Don’t come talk to me about competing and being in on every deal.
Agreed. If we could walk away with ZAllen, Robinson, and Bush or Holcomb, I’d be stoked.
Great discussion.
Will make just one comment. Not sure I want Jihad on my team. Can’t really see myself putting a lot of lung power into my shouting if that shouting will be “Go Jihad!” “What do we want? Jihad now!”
The last time I shouted slogans of this ilk, the embassy staff had me removed.
Is it wrong that I laughed at this?
Yesterday I’m reading Curtis Allen’s Seahawks salary cap update, thinking wow, this gives me a very clear and concise picture of the Seahawks salary cap situation. Shout out to Curtis for a very well written article!
So what could be better this morning, an article titled Possible free agent targets for the Seahawks by Rob. Perfect, this ties it all together and I now have a pretty complete picture of Seahawks free agency, so I can more intelligently call out all the dumb moves I’m sure will come… Sorry, I’m just not as confident as the rest of you.
Rob, what you do here is amazing! The amount of content, it’s quality, the time and devotion you commit to this (your wife has to be an absolute angel!) is truely a fans dream come true!
And regrettably on that note, I must admit that I might be slightly behind in my appreciation payments, ok, ok, maybe a bit more than sligtly, but I plan on making that up real soon.
Agree AL, Rob and cha continue to provide such a wide content of Seahawk and NFL information. We are all so blessed. Makes the off-season so interesting.
It seems like signing an Edge-player in FA should be our lowest priority. We have Nwosu and Darrell Taylor, although he seems more like a situational edge rusher. I was disappointed Mafe lost reps to Irvin because he seemed to improve as the season progressed, and he needs a chance to blossom. We also have Alton Robinson, who has shown flashes. Last, this is supposedly a deep draft class for Edge *and* we might end up with Will Anderson by default. Cash might be better spent on a ILB or DT/DE. Schneider did say something to the effect, you sometimes have to prioritize Position B rather than Position A because there’s less to choose from.
https://overthecap.com/some-thoughts-on-the-jones-carr-and-smith-contracts
Yes, we like “our guys,” but you don’t mention Ethan Pocic. I mean, I don’t have strong feelings about bringing him back, but of all the old fellas Wagner, Reed, Clark, Griffin, fuck even Clowney… he’s got the best case for being on the ascent and being at a position of need.
I would loooove to bring back Penny on the vet minimum. He continued to just have “it.” And you saw how the team rallied around him when he got injury. But, it’s true, he hasn’t been able to stay on the field. And, there are some legitimate bargain bin options in the FA market for good running backs. I would also like to bang the drum right here for RB2 being a position of need. It’s essentially a starter position. Our entire offense will fall apart without Walker. I want Carroll’s “stable of backs” philosophy from USC to come back. We won’t complete the circle as a tough, physical team without it. I think one of the most interesting story lines of this off-season is what “type” of back they want as RB2. I want to see a BAMF physical player that punches people in mouth, like Lynch, like Carson. Even though Penny is a big boy, that’s not him. Given that this is an undervalued position within the league, I hope we exploit it. I think you gotta sign a draft hedge.
I hope they sign two affordable, good LBs. Gotta exploit that cheap market at another undervalued position. We essentially need two starters at this position!
I’d also like Penny back. His injuries haven’t been to the same ligaments/cartilage/muscles, so he’s really been unlucky rather than someone injuring the same thing repeatedly.
They’ve stated they want a shorter Center for this scheme so that would appear to rule out Pocic
I also don’t think he’d have any interest in coming back. He wasted four years in Seattle
I guess that I will be the ringleader for the No Penny Club.
Can anyone honestly expect him to even reach 100 carries this year? Just bring in a young player and hope that they pop. The other RBs on the roster are JAGs. More players on this roster who don’t produce much.
I’m with you, I don’t want Penny either. I’m really sorry for him, he could have been really special, but he is too fragile and we don’t afford to pay him for a game a season. We should draft a RB, it’s the best thing you could do at the position.
At Vet minimum, I think Penny’s worth it on upside + value. I don’t see how he commands anything on the market.
I’d like to see D’Onta Foreman, Damien Harris, or Jamaal Williams as potential targets.
And down to draft one, but I think the name of the game is not forcing it and letting the draft come to you.
Ramsey to dolphin’s for a 3rd and hunter long
He’s out of the NFC West!
Am I the only one to think that the Rams will finish 4th in NFC West, and not just because they let Ramsey go?
Cards might give them a run for their money but yes, both rubbish next year
Imagine going to SoFi when the Rams host the Cards.
You could probably hear a pin drop.
Not with their PA announcer *shudders*
So astonishingly short-sighted of the Panthers not to take their ’24 and ’25 firsts in trade. (And annoying that it might mean an efficient reset for the Rams rather than an extended stay in perdition.)
It’s sad that Rams fans don’t have a resource like Rob to talk the fanbase through what is happening.
Fans are calling on Snead to be fired. There is zero understanding that the Rams mortgaged everything for their stretch of success, culminating in a Super Bowl title LAST YEAR.
Anyone who thought the Devil wasn’t going to collect his due simply was not paying attention.
Cha, actually they have such a resource. Jourdan Rodrigue on the athletic is one of the few comparable to Rob.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/nfl/sd-sp-heilbrunn-newton-rodrigue-sexism-racism-20171005-story.html
Damn, Rob, that reporter is in a mess of her own making. I’ve never seen you say anything remotely racist, so you’re in a class of one in blogland as far as I know.
Well worth reading, thanks for the link.
is that really all you get for Jalen Ramsey? ?
A 3rd rounder and a throw in? I guess I didn’t watch the rams much in ’22, but I still think of him as maybe the best corner in the league. He’s 28 (29 in October), but still….doesn’t that seem light for one of the only shutdown corners around?
I don’t think anyone is overly excited to trade capital for the privilege to negotiate a new contract. He’s a great hired gun though for teams ready to make a run and Miami might be there.
It’s for salary cap reasons. Rams were 10+ million over. Doesn’t help them much this year, but they’ll be in the clear next year.
I wish it was Payne or Buckner to anchor a rebuild and provide leadership.
Think it will be someone like Holcomb or the cheaper centers given we’d want to not reach in the draft.
Thoughts on Germaine Pratt and Khalen Saunders ??
Pratt will be too expensive IMO
Saunders more athlete than producer
John Schneider probably gonna sign rasheem green and jarran reed and call the d line fixed lol
Oof! Don’t put this putt out into the universe
Add Shaq, Bobby, Clark, Barton, Poona to recreate the Seahawks defensive dynasty of the late teens.
It would be an upgrade over this past year…
It’s sad how many Seattle guys from those drafts are all free agents. I really hope they keep can keep up with the success of last year’s draft.
Great list. I would add Azeez Al-Shaair. Another niner LB in the old Seattle mold who’s greatest crime was being behind Warner and Greenlaw. When Greenlaw went down in 21 he showed out. Interesting to see what his market will be. I bet Demeco brings him to Houston with him
Not sure what qualifies Azeez Al-Shaair though. We have no testing numbers. Has been a versatile player but not a fixed starter. Seems like it’s mainly because he plays for the Niners D
Well I won’t deny that as a main point haha. No combine testing either. But he just seemed like a speed, size comp to dudes who have played in former PC type defenses. He is similar to Deion Jones size wise.
I’d be ok if Seattle gives Zach Allen something similar to what they gave Michael Bennett in his last contract with the team — something like 3 years, $27m-$30m total.
That’s potentially half as much as what Da’Ron Payne will get for his next deal, and it won’t cost Seattle a Day 2 pick in trade.
Obviously they bring different things to the DL, but Allen is the perfect DE for their scheme. And like Payne, he’s a player on the ascent. I think he has Maxx Crosby vibes. Would love to see him across from Nwosu, whom I hope gets extended to free up some space for Allen’s year 1 hit.
I think they could also add Gaines as well as Allen, or maybe even Robinson. I don’t expect either of them to get big deals.
Anyway, my point is Allen would be my top FA get, edging out Payne mostly because of cost.
I hope we can extend Ryan Neal on a second round tender. As much as I would like to see us get a veteran DL, LB, or C in free agency, getting Neal back in the fold has to be a top priority. His play has been too good and he gives us maximum scheme flexibility to use Jamal Adams as a joker and move him all over the field.
If we spend 4M or so on Neal, that doesn’t give us much to work with in FA. Maybe they can get one deal done with a defender they see upside in. But losing Neal would open another gaping hole so I think we’ve got to ensure that’s taken care of before the draft.
Surely signing Neal as you suggest and dropping Adams with a June 1st designation if that’s what it takes, would be a no brainer, I’d have though?
You’d think so. A straight cut frees up like 8M. I don’t think Pete is willing to cut bait with him yet. Possibly they restructure?
Neal has be signed though, no matter what they do. I think we’ve all seen enough of the Jones and Abram experiment.
Thanks Rob & cha for the articles and follow up comments. Good sequencing of articles on top of the high quality content. Really enjoying the work & community.
Friend of the blog, Jeff Simmons just published a Free Agency article over at Hawkblogger. A lot of similar names and themes for the Seahawks with additional context from around the league stuff too.
At linebacker I like Drue Tranquill as well. 4.14 ss.
Good shout, wasn’t aware of the shuttle time. Have added him to the list.
Commanders just extended Payne, 4 years, 90 mil…
$60m guaranteed
Now let’s go get Zack Allen and quit effen around
I’ve removed the section about enquiring about trades.
Not just because Daron Payne is no longer available
But his mega-deal likely makes it impossible to trade for anyone else, because they’ll want a new contract worth the same dough
You bet! But please don’t sign a couple of guano placeholders for cheap.
– Cut Adams, Jefferson
– Extend Lockett, Nwosu, Neal
– Add Bradbury, Cominsky, Saunders and Pratt
– Trade back into R3 and grab Mingo
1R23 Anthony Richardson
1R23 Keion White
2R23 Mazi Smith
2R23 Luke Wypler
3R23 Julius Brents
3R23 Jonathan Mingo
QB: Gino Smith, Anthony Richardson
LT: Charles Cross, Stone Forsythe
LG: Damien Lewis, Jake Curhan
C: Garrett Bradbury, Luke Wypler
RG: Phil Haynes, Jake Curhan
RT: Abraham Lucas, Stone Forsythe
TE: Noah Fant, Colby Parkinson
RB1: Kenneth Walker, Rashaad Penny
RB2: DeeJay Dallas, Godwin Igwebuike
WR1: DK Metcalf, Dareke Young
WR2: Tyler Lockett, Jonathan Mingo
WR3: Marquise Goodwin, Dee Eskridge
DE: John Cominsky, Keion White
NT: Al Woods, Mazi Smith
DT: Khalen Saunders, Myles Adams
LEO: Darrell Taylor, Boye Mafe
SAM: Uchenna Nwosu, Josh Onujiogu
MIKE: Jordyn Brooks, Jon Rhattigan
WILL: Germaine Pratt, Cody Barton
RCB: Tariq Woolen, Isaiah Dunn
LCB: Mike Jackson, Julius Brents
NKL: Coby Bryant, Tre Brown
FS: Quandre Diggs, Joey Blount
SS: Ryan Neal, Teez Tabor
What happened to Aldon Robinson? He was a later round draft pick that showed some promise. What happened to him has nothing to do with the player or the coaching. What I understand is nature happened when he keeper growing. He now is 270 lbs and he just doesn’t fit this defense anymore. I telling you all this because there are a lot more 20 and 21 year olds coming in the league that may not be done growing.
He’s been injured and still injured.
Rob wrote an article back in January about learning from the Eagles and Bengals, when it comes to roster construction and earlier in the same month, another article on how hard it is to follow the Fangio system of defense, without the man himself. These articles inspired me to watch lots of the Eagles and Bengals defense and look at their respective rosters in 2022.
What stuck out to me was how both teams carry significantly more Defensive Lineman on their rosters than the Seahawks have recently on theirs. This allows them to adapt fronts and schemes to combat each of their opponents whilst putting out players who perform best in whichever respective scheme is needed. With more defensive lineman to chose from on their rosters, for each scheme they don’t end up trying to put square pegs into round holes.
With this in mind, my hope is the Seahawks expand their options on the defensive line through this recruitment season. I hope they can retain some players who do well on a 4 man front Poona Ford, springs to mind, whilst still recruiting a good fit as a 3-4 defensive end. There will still be plenty of circumstances during the season when rushing with 4 will be the best defensive option, I hope they have the most appropriate players to perform this task.
Last season Seattle carried 6 players defensive lineman on their final roster, I think an increase to 8 would more closely resemble the position the Bengals and Eagles are in.
I’d been banging the drum for Garrett Bradbury in free agency, but with where we are with the Cap, but I’m with Rob on the point he makes, signing a draft hedge such as Jake Brendal or Coleman Sheldon and putting the salary on a better defensive end or linebacker recruit would be much the better option.
Any thoughts about David Long? As a linebacker he allowed the fewest yards rushing beyond the line of scrimmage last season. I know little about him or how much he would cost.
WOW! Daron Payne’s contract MASSIVE. Four years 90mil with 60mil guaranteed. Ouch!
i neglected to include Myles Adams in the cap piece.
He’s an ERFA with one accrued season. The Seahawks can keep him for $870k, or basically $120k of cap charges.
He had some nice flashes in preseason and camp. A few moments during the season as well.
Thank you for your work, cha, both the big post and then the update.
Do not see how we can be active in the first wave or 2 of Free agency with no cap money to spend. Focus on the draft it is all we have this off season.
After extending Payne, there’s no way WSH can keep Chase Young past his fifth year, right? Coming off the ACL tear his future might be a risk but certainly worth reaching out to inquire about his availability. While he’s been a 4-3 DE, he has the size (if able to add 10 lbs) to stay on the end in a 3-4, no?
He’s been too injured
I wouldn’t be interested unless the price was dirt cheap. He needs to prove he can stay on the field
Great article as always, Rob. I like the idea to cut Jamal Adams, but who are we going to replace him. Neal is a RFA that most likely will be back, but he never played the entire season and always seem to injury here and there with his limited time. Are there good Safety that Seahawks can target in day 2? Our record to draft and develop Safety could be a concern too. Other than Earl and Kam in the early days, none of the Safety last in the last several drafts.
I think you just have to draft someone later on or look for a cheap addition and throw them into the mix with Blount (who they seem to like)
I mean, if Adams isn’t healthy to start the year you have to do that anyway
A warm body will do, he’s never on he field due to all his injuries.
Nick Bellore. And then his contract all makes sense.
But in all seriousness, literally anything. It’s on the field, it’s an upgrade. Anything else would probably be an upgrade at catching interceptions too.
Can anyone tell us anything about Safety, Daniel Scott of Cal? Good measurable and testing at the Combine and pretty decent production with 3 interceptions in each of the last two years, with 2 FF this last year.
I’ve seen no film of how he plays, perhaps someone else knows more? Might he be a worthwhile Day 3 flyer?
Good news for D.K. Metcalf. Jalen Ramsey is now a Miami Dolphin. Ram’s receive a 2023 third-round draft pick and tight end Hunter Long. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/12/rams-will-trade-jalen-ramsey-to-dolphins-for-hunter-long-and-a-third-round-pick/.
Good news? Metcalf had 6 TD’s in 6 games against Ramsey.
Carter caught going 89 in a 45 zone a few months before the crash. Guess he didn’t learn his lesson….
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1634928230292398082
Yeah……
That’s going to be a “no” from me, dawg.
Before all is said and done, Malik may look like a choirboy compared to this guy.
So will this end the entitlement for players in the Georgia football program………..I literally was laughing as I typed that. I mean if Bama hoops is any indicator, SEC schools only care about winning.
How far do you guys think he will drop that Seahawks should consider him again? Late 2nd like Frank Clark? Or no chance to pass Cowboys or a few other teams that dont care his immaturity in mid-late 1st?
I think he’s off our board, period. Someone else will take him somewhere, but it will not be us at any pick.
I’m fine taking him, just not at 5. Would be stoked to take a flier on him at 20 if he makes it there
Georgia has a serious problem…They have had multiple players ticketed and/or arrested for this speeding or reckless driving. Nolan Smith, Kenny Mcintosh are among the bigger names.
Consider that first they have to be caught and then get a ticket when pulled over. They must be racing around nearly all the time to have this much evidence show up.
At this point, the cleanest conclusion we can make on Carter is that he is a highly talented, lazy, entitled idiot and I’m going to be very frustrated if we take him at 5.
I wonder if in 2-3 years when Carter is smashing offenses and being referred to as the second coming of “Aaron Donald”, how many fans will be saying “man, we could have drafted him”, but we took Tyreek Wilson instead…
Plenty of people will moan and complain about it. Seahawks fans tend to hold on to things way too long…
I think there is a chance that it’s the other way.
Cha made my thoughts more concise. But essentially in a better class would he be so highly regarded?
I think not.
With thus far no testing and less production than his former teammate Walker if you step back and get a bigger view, as a fan of his, can you answer the question for me…or anyone…why was he not a factor?
Before you answer that he was just doing his role and letting others get after it how does that explain Tyree Wilson, keion white, etc, being more productive? Were teams thinking damn we need to contain Carter? Why were they not doing that for some of the guys who were almost literal one man bands?
Taking aside his legal concerns. He is objectively one of the least productive dlinemen to be considered a top five pick I have ever seen.
I listen to tons of seahawks talk and I consistently hear he’s one of the best players in this draft.
Point me to it. I’m fine being wrong. I’ve watched about 2/3rds of his games last year. I’ve never seen a game where I thought he was taking over. One of his best games against Tennessee he also has a lot of plays getting stoned.
I wonder if in 2-3 years when Carter has a longer prison sentence than number of sacks, if the fanbase of the team that picks him will be upset?
Haha- that did make me chuckle…
Ohh, if only to have a chrystal ball eh?
He can do whatever he wants in the XFL after not making it in the league. Won’t affect me or the team any.
Cop should have issued the ticket for whatever the 5 were.
Obviously, reckless would have been dismissed; but because they have a point system in Georgia it would have sent a message.
The speeding 30 over likely gets him 6points, tinted windows 3points. So 9 points towards his 15 where his license would have been suspended.
Unsure what the other 2 were.
I wonder if he already had points on his license or if others have let him off.
Regardless, that ticket would have put him to where only 1 additional speeding ticket of similar speed meant goodbye license.
Maybe then he might not have been racing that night.
This is why I don’t get the whole “he’s just a kid who made a mistake” explanation. He’s driving a 700 horsepower car that is literally named “Trackhawk”. It’s not like he was doing 80 in a 75 in his 2001 Corolla or something. He made a choice to purchase an automobile that I frankly believe is too dangerous for the average consumer and practically impossible to drive under the speed limit. If I’m a team preparing to hand a kid a $40M contract…. I’m gonna have some second thoughts about giving it to a guy who acts like this after getting a little NIL money in his pocket.
It’s incredible how people — fans and media – have approached this discussion
My personal favorite is “are you saying you never made a mistake when you were a kid?”
First off…21 is not a kid and we need to stop infantalizing young adults.
Second, yes, of course I made mistakes. My mistakes were procrastinating on term papers. Skipping the occasional class to play video games, using my parents credit card on an expensive restaurant (when specifically not told to), dumped my GF in a less than appealing manner, got in a shouting match with another student at a party…
What I didn’t do was get drunk, hop in a car, race/recklessly drive, and then leave two people at the scene of an accident to die because I might get in trouble (rightfully so).
So yes…I made mistakes…I just made normal mistakes. I didn’t literally endanger lives with reckless abandon.
And the new information that he was warned by the police for speeding before this tragedy adds to it
The response from some fans has been nothing short of ignorant and dismissive on this matter. All because they were pinning their hopes on a certain position being addressed in the draft and can’t come to terms with the fact that likely isn’t going to happen
Also bewildering is the argument that Seattle will select Carter because they once selected Malik McDowell, completely disregarding the concept of learning from history.
This is where “the media,” is a bit at fault.
Regardless of hearing a British talk about the draft on Seattle radio (which did rule!) It would be nice if any of the people particularly in Seattle radio: 2x stations times “x” employees had half the interest in the draft as you did. Even producers or assistant production staff.
More “here’s five cool players from the combine that offer unique skillsets.”
A seahawks YouTuber I watch a decent enough of their stuff and is atute enough. About tge same as most of the posters here just with a channel…just can not let Carter go. There is no scenario for him where Carter isn’t the pick.
Or Kancey with some unprocessed trade down.
For me it’s like….okay I have tons of players that are “my guy,” but why SDB rules ( again because of you ) is the myriad of players, ideas, options, outcomes. Per example: I would guess I’m higher on Keion White than others.
But me being high on White hasn’t in any way shaped my thought that he’s the only player for the hawks. I’d love Kancey, but length. Benton, Pickens, ade ade, mazi smith, quite a few more.
I’m rambling here. Point is people that have bandwidth should try to me less single-minded. Doing so gets us to this point with Carter. Total long shot because I think he’ll put up good testing numbers. But what if he doesn’t? Is it just spin the wheel of excuses again? What if more nonsense comes out? Is it just the nefarious “they,” of our lives are trying to ruin a young man?
And here in Seattle we have Bumpus prefacing his defense of Carter with “I’m gonna take you back to reality here…”
That really galled me.
People DIED. The kid was warned that this could happen. And continued to do it. And then people DIED.
THAT is reality, Bump.
22 Sept 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcyCed7il3U
15 Jan 2023: Date of Carters speeding incident.
No further proof required.
Warned for speeding, carried on speeding = no respect for authority.
Told media he needed to work on conditioning, physically gassed during games = no self motivation.
Guys a prick, no thanks!
Bump and Stacey is just gossipy chatter to me.
They wanted the Hawks to pay Geno big bucks. Then they wanted them to tag him.
Now it’s “They did the right thing and got a team friendly contract, thank God.”
For F sake, you just advocated flthrowing money at him and now that it’s been proven you shouldn’t have you change your tune.
I now log off the Seattle Sports app as soon as their show comes on.
Yes, I can say with a high degree of certainty that I would not have done what Carter did, fleeing the scene because he was “scared”. When I was in uni I had a night where a bunch of us drank way too much, underage, in our dorm where alcohol was obviously prohibited. One person went way too far and got alcohol poisoning and could barely stop puking long enough to breathe, and his skin was literally starting to turn blue. All of us were at really serious risk of being expelled, but guess what, our friend was DYING so we called an ambulance and dealt with the consequences. I don’t mean to make myself out to be a hero or anything, far from it in fact, but being willing to accept the consequences of your actions is a test of character that even an 18 year old should be able to pass. Character is not something you magically learn when you turn 22 and have $10M in your bank account.
And he left the scene of the accident before returning later. Do you suppose that he had to get rid of something? Drugs? Guns? Undesirable associates? And by the way, yes, people DIED. Could he have done anything to help them?
If the Hawks make the mistake of drafting this guy they had better be prepared to cut his ass. FAST.
AFAIK, the district attorney’s office is ready to escalate to felony vehicular homicide. In Washington State, there would be no way he would come around this, in Georgi, due to it’s good Samaritan law, there needs to be hard evidence he wass able to help and chose not to do so.
Baker Mayfield with the Bucs against the Derek Carr led Saints is taylor made for Thursday Night Football.
so true lol
I keep forgetting about Tyree Smith.
Was he good at setting the edge at Ohio State? Containing the run was woefully absent last season.
He seemed like a really hard nosed player with unrelenting tenacity.
Tyreke.
I was against selecting Jalen Carter in the draft. And that was before both the speeding accident that killed two people. And now going 89mph in a 45 speed zone.
Enough said!!!
Hi Rob and all, long time lurker who appreciates all the hard work you put in.
I’ve had a certain tweet stuck in my mind and am wondering if I’m over thinking it or not. Recently Shelby Harris tweeted something to the effect of, “Truly grateful…7th rd pick…I’ll be good wherever I go.” Immediately, I thought damn, Harris is definitely a good player and a good person but the cap savings are a factor since theres only 1 year left.
However, i think its been a couple days since that tweet and theres been radio silence on that front. Im pretty sure John has a tendency of releasing guys right away to let them get a head start on their job hunt.
Is it possible we’re shopping Shelby Harris and what, if any, kind of draft compensation do you think we could reasonably get. According to Spotrac, his final year has a 12.2M cap hit with a 3.2M dead cap hit. So the new team would get 32 y.o.(in August) Shelby Harris for a 1-yr, 8.9M deal if i cap’d correctly. Thanks Rob!
I don’t know what’s going on there to be honest but it seems he’s been told he’s going to be cut and it just hasn’t been processed yet
Thanks Rob, saw the tweet about them shopping but no dice. Was banking on someone thinking his leadership was worth a 6th or 7th round pick
https://twitter.com/tonypauline/status/1635284676846944262?s=46&t=uv5_Cfk4hepYHPYUO6WNbQ
Tony says it’s Stroud or Richardson for the Panthers
Whoa. I love AR and want him for us at #5 but if they moved up to #1 to select him, it would seem they may have been the fat kid at the buffet that overloaded his first plate instead of going back for more. If I need a starter Day One, it’d be Stroud. I get Tepper wants to make a splash but AR would seemed destined to fail of thrust into a starting job from the jump. What vet would they sign to redshirt him behind?
I’d put it young and Stroud equal based on your oline.
Levis could be a mess could be a huge reward say if played for team that had a metcalf type and a Lockett type, plus a gelling oline, a running back, good te’s…oh wait that’s us! I kid but not really.
That will suck. For us.
But he’s exciting and if your coaching game us strong enough there’s a possibility you could do a fields, hurts, Newton, Lamar, allen to a degree thing, and just let him be an athlete with a simple plan.
They would need some serious speed at WR. The deep ball game would be crazy. I love AR for Seattle but his biggest weakness more than accuracy is touch on shorter throws. It looks like he’s firing a rifle at recievers hands.
On the other hand….a magical world where Stroud falls to Seattle….not gonna bother me one bit.
I didn’t imagine they traded up for Bryce Young. If they take Stroud, we have a shot for Richardson. If they take Richardson, there’s a chance we end up with Levis, not too bad either.
Got to be Stroud.
Funny how they might get Stroud and Richardson ends up being the better player and everyone will say “How could they miss out on him?”. In the same time, if they start Richardson too soon he might turn into a flop, so I think for Richardson it would be ideal to get elsewhere.
Agreed. That team is set to win now. They are also light on offensive weapons, which would really hinder any growth that Richardson would have. You cold fix that in this draft, but why not shrink your margin of error quarterback that is more ready.
Rumors they like Young and Stroud as well
Update: There is a “belief” that #Panthers owner David Tepper “loves” Bryce Young, while HC Frank Riech “likes” CJ Stroud, per
@AdamSchefter
“At this point in time, a decision between Bryce Young and CJ Stroud is in play for the number one overall pick.”
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1635292379526868994
When I look at this free agent class and draft class I think the one must have player for the Hawks to draft is Mazi Smith. The Hawks need a dominant NT for this scheme and I don’t see any other ones available. They may have to take him at 20 or later in Round 1 after a trade back in order to get him. I think he is a late 1st early 2nd talent but he likely goes before that.
I would love to get Mazi Smith. He may be the player that most think Jalen Carter is.
Calvin Tomlinson seems to me like a fair Free Agent to target if they wanted to find a nose tackle in the FA market. But Mazi Smith does seem to be a baller that should be in the range where the Hawks are picking
As awesome as a dominant NT would be, I would really settle for any impact player on the interior line. Have we ever had one in the Carroll era? Like an actual DT, not just a bigger end kicking inside on passing downs. Maybe 1 season each of Jarran Reed and Brandon Mebane?
Maxi feels like a lock to me.
Doesn’t he have a felony gun charge? He was pulled over with a concealed weapon without a permit. I say this to say we don’t know the facts of this case or any other case (Carter) if the Seahawks select any player with character concerns I hope they do their due diligence.
Well, the word is he was simply waiting for the permit, went to collect the gun and was pulled over. So a mistake, no doubt. But very different to certain other things we’re talking about.
Tony Pauline saying on Twitter that that Panthers are targeting Stroud or Richarson. Makes sense.
That explains the delay…
I understand the decision to gain nearly $9m in cap space, but they’re also cutting one of their more productive defensive line players. I hope there’s a good and well executed plan for replacing Harris and fixing this def line! Perhaps they can bring him back on a short term, more team friendly deal.
re-posting a comment I made from a thread last week (lolz & apologies 4 the tone):
CAN PEOPLE PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT SHELBY HARRIS OR AL WOODS WERE PLAYERS THAT “DELIVERED” LAST YEAR.
THE SEAHAWKS RUN DEFENSE WAS 30TH IN THE LEAGUE!!!! Only Chicago and Houston were worse.
***I am pretty sure that defensive line play has something to do with a defense that couldn’t even stop 3rd string running backs!!!***
Harris missed 4 games. Woods missed 5 games. Woods only played 30% of snaps! Both Quinton Jefferson and Poona Ford played more (not a reason to sign them or not cut them, bt-dubs)!!! They weren’t injured and, even in games that Harris and Woods were in, they were on the field more. Neither Harris nor Woods produce sacks or splash plays. No one could stop the run. Jefferson, Woods, and Harris are all old as fuck.
JUST FUCKING STOP IT. Maybe they were half-decent. That is about all they “delivered”.
They need to cut Harris. And only re-sign if the contract is affordable. They can make Jefferson and Woods come to camp, compete, maybe get beat out by younger, cheaper players, and, if not, they can threaten to cut them at the moment when no one around the leagues has millions lying around to pay average dudes who are over the hill.
Sorry for the rant. Just stop posting stuff that is not supported by the evidence. And yea, maybe there’s a reason to reward players. But there are also reasons to be cutthroat and not pay big dollars to sub-prime talent.
And now the Browns have fully guaranteed cap hits in 2024-25-26 of $64m per year, and a void year of $9m in 2027.
Keep digging, Cleveland.
And talking heads crying to high heaven about collusion because no one wants to give Lamar a fully-guaranteed contract.
Kicking the can down the road. CLE doing CLE things. 🤦♂️
The Seahawks need two 3-4 DEs. I just don’t see many of those players in this year’s draft. We need at least one in free agency.
I also see the Hawks needing s Dalvin Tomlinson in free agency or Mazi Smith in the draft for a true nose to replace Al Woods, who I thought wore down and showed his age at the end of the season (he turns 36 in a few days).
I don’t see a middle LB in this draft either. We should grab a short term solution like Lavonte David. I’d prefer a 26 year old stud, but I don’t see one of those in this free agent class.
Agree the draft is thin on 3-4 type ILB’s. Outside of Jack Campbell and as a move linebacker, possibly Drew Sanders I think we’re struggling at that position.
I disagree on the lack of 3-4 DEs though. Typically 3-4 DE’s play 4i Tech, 4 Tech or 5 Techniques.
You want length in the arms to separate from OL blocks but enough mobility to shed and chase. Typically 6ft 2+ and 280-300lbs.
Loads of prospects fit this profile, although perhaps they did not exclusively play this role in college so are more projections at the position than we would ideally like.
Ade Ade
Calijah Kancey & Tuli Tuipolotu (although short arms would perhaps not appeal to the Hawks)
Keion White
Mike Morris (Seahawks have shown interest)
Colby Wooden
Moro Ojomo
Byron Young
Jalen Redmond
You also have bigger players that have enough athleticism to play 3-4 DE: if Poona can do it, these can
Gervon Dexter
Keanuu Benton
Dante Stills
I think we’ll get 1 x DL FA at a lower cap hit than Shelby Harris, plus 2 of these guys above. Pro’s and Con’s with all of them, but plenty that fit the profile of a stereotypical 3-4 DE.
I’m a coach, not a scout – but I have been watching film since the combine of the players who stood out to me and there’s certainly more athleticism in this draft than we fielded on the Hawks Defense last year.
I’m dreaming of a combo of Mazi Smith, (and his strength) & C. Kancey, (& his get-off & overall speed) playing together on the DL. If they both play to their strengths & together, they could be a really great combination.
Agree
If the Hawks can look past their preferred measurables, I think Kancey could work great for us.
If I had to guess though, he’ll drop down on our boards because of the lack of length and someone else will grab him before we get the chance (hope I’m wrong though).
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/13/seahawks-john-schnieder-geno-smith-contract
JS doubling down with praise for Geno’s agent
lol you can tell JS really hated Wilsons agent
A very subtle middle finger to Mark Rodgers.
Not subtle at all.
And useless in fact. Rodgers reads that and thinks “if a GM is praising me I’m doing something wrong. I go to war for my client.”
💯
I picture Rodgers at his desk reading the dig at him like Vin D in XXX:
“I live for this shit”
And an agent that believes that the only way to get something is by “going to war” and making enemies is an agent with a lousy client or inflated ego. It isn’t always necessary.
But….how good is Bobby’s agent
Underrated comment 😂👌
I mean, of course he’s gonna praise an agent who just negotiated a contract that was hella team-friendly. I’m happy things turned out the way they did, but no way Geno doesn’t get a better deal if he tested the market. Geno wanted to be here! He said team first. Fuck yay!! Let’s go.
I rescind my comment after seeing Jimmy G’s contract.
I think someone needs to tell John we get it 🙂
If by chance the Raiders/Falcons trade up to #3 with Arizona, there is a very real possibility that QB’s go 1-4. If that happens, I think most agree that Will Anderson is the likely pick. Trading down is of course a possibility, but assuming we stay and take Will I have a question.
If John saw Hooker as the best alternative, would it make more sense to try to get him in the 1st instead of the 2nd round? Would you have year 1 not tolling due to the injury and then the 5th year option really being in year 6? He red-shirts like AR would do, while learning and rehabbing, then next year has the QB competition with Geno but essentially as year one of the rookie 1st round deal except with a year of knowing the system.
If gaining that extra option year makes sense, then a large or multiple trade-downs with the #20 pick could also make sense. Giants/Cowboys (WR), Bengals (Mayer), Bills/Eagles (Bijan), etc. seem like teams that might want to move up to get their guy.
I don’t think they can get 6 years of control of Hooker by drafting him in the first round.
Tolling only pushes a year out if it is the last year of your contract per the CBA.
Missing 2023 due to being on the NFI list only counts toward his free agency status in his 5th year. He would be an RFA instead of a UFA and the team could RFA tender him for far less than the 5th year option for first round picks, rendering that 5th year of control for picking him in the first round useless.
Thanks. So, we could not use the 5th year tender AND the RFA tag? Wouldn’t the 5th year be a team option and year six his first FA year?
I admit, I have no idea how this works. Just thinking that if we miss on the first 4, that the fall-back plan may be Hooker and following that train of thought.
No it’d be one or the other.
Either way yes the 6th year his first FA year.
Thanks for the clarification.
I don’t see the Cards moving down if they can take Anderson at 3.
Maybe, but Arizona was the 3rd worst team in the NFL last year. They are trading Hopkins and looking at Murray being out until around mid-season. They also have 30 players set to hit FA next year and a new HC, coordinators and GM.
They certainly could stay at 3, but they might not. They’ve been rumored to like Tyree Wilson. The value matches up to get 7, 39 and 71 from Vegas. If they really like Wilson and could get him at 7 plus those two picks (or some package) they might go that route. An extra 2nd and 3rd would be really nice for moving down only 4 spots.
Raiders about to sign Jimmy G.
Whilst this may not prevent them from desiring a QB, like the Hawks – I very much doubt they will trade up to get one!
Atlanta and Detroit seem more likely now, in my view at least
The market dynamics dictate, that a team like Indy will strive to take control of the situation.
Arizona could trade down with the Colts, giving the Colts peace of mind getting one of the top 3 QBs (Stroud, Richardson, Levis), and the Cards could still take Anderson.
In this scenario, we are stuck with Bryce Young, and we won’t draft Bryce Young. We could talk ourselves into acquiescing with Wilson, or trade down.
Or the Raiders trade into #3. Then, QBs will go 1-4, and Anderson falls to the Seahawks.
100% No. To me, anything before the 4th is a reach. He will go maybe in the 2nd, probably not last through the 3rd, but if Seattle takes him in the 1st, I will probably break my tv.
I don’t care what his clock is. He is still a lot older, injured, and raw as well. He’s got to rehab and learn an actual NFL offense, not just “throw to the wide open receiver.” He’s a bigger risk to me than Richardson or Levis, and has little long-term future because of his age and the time it will take to just get him up to speed.
Yes he could pan out. Yes anyone else could. Yes if they take Anderson they will still most likely draft someone. To me, missing out at 5 (or earlier) almost closes their window. The team is not close to being dominant enough and deep enough to win with Geno. Not interested in anyone late round.
I think of this season as Year 2 of the conversation to a 3-4. Year 1 did not go as well as hoped with many veterans not demonstrating the ability to play in the new scheme. And the results, despite a few flashes, were poor overall.
Given the state of the Seahawks’ salary cap, I do not expect them to be aggressive in free agency. An extension for Ryan Neal, an extension for Uchenna Nwosu and signing their ERFAs makes roster sense and can work with available cap space.
I had hoped they could restructure Shelby Harris to keep him but with his release today, the FA priority is clearly DT and ILB. And they need lots of bodies so I don’t see any splash moves.
If Seattle can find an affordable C in FA, I would get behind that and that would free up an early pick for Front 7 and draft Juice or Ula Ula a bit later.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1635313496723427329?s=20
Whoa. Hoping the Ekeler saga depresses the Derrick Henry trade market.
Ejeler aside, I think, Derrick Henry with the Chargers, with them having solved their RT woes by switching Jamaree Salyer, a new OC and adding a top WR in R1, is a fearsome prospect.
Calais Campbell released… Man, I wanted that guy a few years ago!
Calais Campbell released.
Has that ship sailed already?
He delivered 6 sacks, 4 TFL, 2 FF and a 77 PFF grade at age 36 last year.
I’d be on the phone yesterday asking if he’d take $5m for one year.
Ship has set sail from Baltimore, heading to the Panama Canal, enroute to Seattle.
Not sure of the price, but Denver gets Ben Powers, that’s the way to make sure Russ has a better season.
“Negotiating Period” began at 9am. Deal struck and reported by 948am.
Hmmm….
There is definitely no tampering before the legal tampering period. Not even one tiny bit.
And a right tackle too, Mike McGlinchey. Really strong moves.
That’s a little bit of an overpay (I was thinking about $10m apy). But it’s nowhere near as bad as what Payne got. Hopefully this is a market correction.
Hargrave to 49rs
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1635329819226574849?t=VOu5GInJZ8TzlP63EwC40w&s=19
Doubling down on their position of strength. I saw a rumor that they may be in on Lamar too. How do they do ti with their cap situation?
Boooooooo. At least it looks more like Kinlaw was a bust for them.
Most everyone thought he’d get $20m apy.
And that’s what he got. Nobody should be surprised or upset by the contract.
But having to face a Bosa/Hargrave duo twice this year sucks bollocks
4 years/$84M… $40M guaranteed
4y/$84m
SF began the day with $3m of cap space…
Knowing they have two rookie QB contracts obviously helps.
Hoping AZ takes Anderson at #3
Aiyuk about to be on the road to Houston or NY.
Is there a link/source for this? I’d be surprised if he went anywhere.
Rampant unsubstantiated rumor mongering. While the money savings aren’t really present, they may not be able to sign him long term, and the FA WR market is bad, so I’m sure there’s value to be had if they wanted to go that way.
This is exactly why the amount of cap space teams have on paper doesn’t mean squat! They can sign whoever they want and create the space later. It’s just that Seattle doesn’t like to play the game that way!
Pete already on record saying they avoid 1st wave. Says teams tend to make mistakes doing so.
And that plan has worked about as well as a chocolate teapot for Seattle
“Chocolate teapot!” OMG, I’m stealing that one! This sight is not only the source for Seahawks analysis and community, but awesome sayings to incorporate into daily life!
Sad, but too true
Thankfully, this approach has kept Pete from ever making a mistake in free agency.
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Lol!
Rob and Cha, you’re killing it! Thanks for the laughs…chocolate teapot! I love it!
The perks of having a QB on a rookie deal…
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That’s on top of the 4 year $52m deal they gave to Ben Powers.
Kudos to the Broncos FO for doing what they need to protect their franchise QB. But it sure puts the $4m Seattle spent on Haynes into perspective
But wait the Seahawks couldn’t spend money because of Wilson’s contract. SMH.
Dominoes be a fallin’!
Jimmy G to Raiders
Could impact whether LV move up or not
I was hoping he goes to Houston, tough luck.
Still a good thing IMO. They were the most likely to move up to #3. Just need to worry about ATL now.
I’d be pretty depressed if I were a Raiders fan. Low-ceiling 32 year old Jimmy G, who has only played one full season is pretty low on the excitement scale.
Interesting! I wonder what the deal looks like.
That sure looks like a bridge QB deal
Went to bat on the Geno deal.
More like stepping stone deal, as he’ll be injured by week 6
That’s a good deal for the Raiders. He’s a better scheme fit than Carr for McDaniels’ offense. And less expensive.
Do they now target an OL prospect?
I think they’ll try very hard to trade up with Arizona.
It’ll come down to price, whether Vegas can give the Cards enough to make missing out on Anderson (and possibly Wilson too) worth it
IDK. They can now use that #7 on any position. The biggest need is now filled.
I don’t think Jimmy’s contract says “problem solved” at their biggest need
I don’t know that they will trade up because Arizona may want more than Vegas can/would give. But I do think they will try
I agree, they’ll try. I don’t believe the Cards will stand pat.
Keeping my fingers crossed that an outlier doesn’t swoop in and offer the farm.
I think if a QB is there for whatever reason they take whoever it is; they have a lot of other positions especially on D that need filling.
This is worded…interestingly.
Jinx… 😉
(posted it below for the same reason)
So Stroud, Young as 1 & 2 picks.
Feel frustrated how SFO with great DLine with no cap sign top free agent but Hawks with top priority fixing DLine just wait.
Remember after the playoff loss and the season-ending press conference PC acknowledged there was a gap in talent between the Niners and the Seahawks?
And remember when Pete said they need difference makers who the offense needs to account for on every play?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Pete reminds me of your old grand dad who can’t part with a nickel even though he’s a millionaire. The old school way of thinking and being extremely conservative just doesn’t seem to work anymore. This defense needs some top tier talent, and they probably won’t find it in the third or fourth wave of free agency!!
JS was mentored by the Packers. They are infamously conservative on FA spending.
And that’s the excuse you hear a lot.
But what gets swept under the rug is the Packers are responsible for some of the greatest FA signings in NFL history. Reggie White. Charles Woodson.
And there’s a great second tier of signings. Julius Peppers. Santana Dotson. The Smiths.
The Packer Way is not never sign big free agents. It is have enough money to pay your own guys who you have drafted, and be selective and go hard after quality.
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Remember like 5 years ago when they said they want us to be the bully again?
When you have good players to extend/restructure you can do that. Extending McCaffery and Bosa or converting base to bonus for Trent Williams, Kittle, Warner or Armstead is just good business.
We unfortunately haven’t added talent at a comparable rate and our big contracts are ones we’d rather get out of than extend or guarantee.
Exactly
We just like to spend our cap space on non premium positions like safety and LB.
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Aw, but do we spend cap space AND first round picks on non premium positions?
/cries
Just one year I would love for them to go get someone(ZAllen would be my first choice) the first day that could make a real impact!
I agree.
News of them signing Zach Allen today or tomorrow would be most welcome
Now if after the deal the Broncos made, Chiefs sign Jawaan Taylor (already done) and Laremy Tunsil, we’re getting schooled twice on how to set up your offensive line.
The FA bargain hunters ( Like the Hawks) do not come out to play until the 3rd or 4th wave of Free agency.
Yes we know
The debate should be whether it’s the right thing to do
Clearly it seems like a mix of shrewd bargain hunting with a splash of a top tier signing would be more ideal than what John and Pete do each year.
Obviously free agency just started but it will be surprising if they sign any of the top free agents. Then they should be asked how they intend to fix their most glaring problem? If they nickel and dime this thing again, I might be more inclined to believe they plan to go defense with the #5.
They acknowledge dline is top problem but i don’t see intent to fix it.
Kind of reminds me of Carter: yeah I’m out of shape, yeah I need to get in shape, yeah I know it’s a little late, yeah I can work run some wind sprints, how about some high knees? Crap I’m still outta shape. Can I just sit out more plays I’m bored. Anyone wanna go racing? What. No officer I was never there, wait I guess I was over there, I mean over there when it happened. I had to drive fast. I’m outta shape. Can’t wait till I get drafted and paid so I can take it easy. This is crap is all too much work.
I’m voting a big fat, NO, on that one. Go get some premium talent. Close that gap between you and the 9ers – like you acknowledged at the end of the year as being an actual problem – or be relegated to being their B….!
I have no problem not being involved in the first wave of free agency if they don’t believe the value is there, but it needs to be a case by case decision, rather than a blanket dismissal of the whole thing. There patently is value there on some players.
I hear you Sneekes, but it just seems very difficult to always be searching for those diamonds in the rough, and then actually signing them at a great value and having them out produce the signing. As we’ve seen there’s plenty of risk in signing guys to less than top shelf contracts who don’t work out! It’s just a waste of resources. I suspect there’s less risk in signing known, proven entities like the Niners with Hargrave. Their def line is going to be crazy, scary good this year!
I agree, at the top level – you’re not going to get bargains because someone else is always going to find a way to secure them at top dollar. Therefore, we should be in the market at or around the market rate for difference makers at the positions of need. Of course we don’t know if we did that in any specific case and happen to be outbid, but you’d think over time we’d get one now and again – and yet we never do.
They have to continue to hit on Nwosu type FAs, which I think is tough to do year in year out, for it to be the right thing. It does help them avoid the dilemma the Rams found themselves in though.
Yeah, all in all I thought they had a pretty good free agency last year. 9.5 sacks from Nwosu and a Pro Bowl playoff calibre QB at 3.5mil + incentives were two of the better values in last years free agency. With Geno, by most measures, offering the best return on investment of last years free agents.
But yes, it would be nice to mix in some early wave aggressiveness occasionally.
I haven’t seen any signing I’m envious of, yet.
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My worst nightmare is that our free agency move is overpaying for Bobby Wagner.
I think we’re probably safe on that front. JS kinda made it sound like we would address pressing needs and then talk to Bobby. I can’t see him drastically improving this team, so he’s gotta be at the end of the line
“Address pressing needs” translates to, sign a bunch of JAGs and overpay because reasons lol.
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https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1635325181332963330?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Matt Corral is for sale, probably a day 3 pick.
Could be the best bargain if we decide to stay away from picking a QB at #5
Seattle should be able to get good value in the LB market.
I’d happily sign Wagner to a 2 year $12m deal. I’d even fully guarantee it to ensure he retires a Seahawk.
Bobby showed last season he’s still a very capable LB when he wants to be. Still one of the best.
He’s a HOFer who should finish his career where it started, with a team equally resurgent. An Oscar worthy ending
But what if the familiarity and cosy nature of being back brings out a season like 2021?
Especially when he no longer gets to play behind Aaron Donald
That is a risk. But I would think he’d come back only if he has the fire in his belly. Especially if it’s for “only” $6m per.
And let’s not forget, if they don’t fix the DL, it won’t matter who they sign/draft to play LB.
So assuming they do something in that regard, while he may not be playing behind Donald, at least he won’t be playing behind a 2018-2022 Seahawks DL.
Plus don’t underestimate the motivating power of sentimentality. Of which there are boatloads surrounding a Wagner return.
And finally, there just aren’t a lot of other viable options
The motivating power of sentimentality? I’m very certain that I am underestimating it, lol. Can you explain what that means?
Hell play better in Seattle then in other places because it’s familiar?
When I go home I’m happy but I’m not motivated to clean my room.
Usually, when she was younger at least, my mom would try to take care of me to the point I get kinda lazy. Not having to make my own food and what not…lol.
The only Bobby/Seahawks contract I want to see is a 1 day, retire with the Seahawks deal. Include retiring #54 and a statue outside the stadium to make it happen.
Wasn’t Bwagz fired by the Seahawks over the media?
My guess: One of Vander Esch, Tranquill, Troy Reeder or Holcomb. All of them with the traits we look for: a good short shuttle (4,14), vertical (37 or more), broad (10+). Holcomb with the 4,51s 40 and 6,77 three cone seems like the safest bet.
I guess Pratt wouldn’t be a great fit for us with only 4,45s short shuttle and 32,5 vertical. And 7M APY could be to expensive too,.
trey wingo
@wingoz
Hearing Rodgers to the Jets is done. History about to repeat itself between New York and Green Bay. Time is indeed a flat circle
I heard they’ve agreed to terms and now it’s up to him and how long he wants to stretch this out so he can be in the limelight.
This time last year his contract was the lead story for about 2-3 hours before the Hurricane Russ trade made landfall and obliterated his day in the sun.
And NFLN is dutifully talking about him hour after hour.
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Perineum sunning is definitely on the Rodgers bingo card.
I’d tell him to give it time, Rodgers will make that go away fast when he throws you under the bus when the slightest thing goes wrong.
Guy can’t get out of Favre’s shadow, copying his career. He must just like dark places.
The #Bengals are re-signing LB Germaine Pratt to a three-year, $21 million deal, per source. He gets $10.35M in Year 1 and $15.15M over two years. He’s started 54 career games and now stays in Cincinnati.
That’s a lot less than I would have thought. Would have been a great get for the Hawks at that $
Dalvin Tomlinson
Zach Allen
Lavonte David
Fingers crossed.
Garoppolo signing with the Raiders makes me think it reduces the chance they want to move up
Depends if the structure looks like a bridge
But even then they might wait on a QB later on rather than trade up
Only question I have is how is a roster bonus guaranteed? That isn’t standard.
So either it is an option bonus, or it’s not guaranteed.
I’d guess it is a guaranteed option bonus.
This looks like the Raiders are set to draft a Hooker or a Stetson Bennett and have them take over in 2025.
That sound is my giant sigh of relief.
Lots of jersey sales opportunities in Vegas with Hooker.
Sorry, I’ll show myself out.
Well I was wrong on the roster bonus.
Florio says the 2024 bonus is guaranteed five days after Jimmy signs his contract, but has offset language. So the Raiders can cut Jimmy loose after one year and maybe recoup some of the $11million.
So I wouldn’t fully rule the raiders out of trading for a QB.
Well Pocic is no longer available, one bullet less to dodge.
Actually happy for him. 3 yr contract (don’t know the numbers)
Prepping now for the eventual press conference with JS and PC, issuing the following platitudes:
“We were in on a lot of guys.”
“We’re happy the way the market fell to us.”
“We viewed retaining Cody Barton as the most important item for us this offseason. Glad to have him back, signed for the next 3 years.”
“We viewed retaining Cody Barton as the most important item for us this offseason. Glad to have him back, signed for the next 3 years.”
If they do that I’m getting drunk and I rarely drink more than one beer……..can you say fifth of Jameson time? 🥴
That said, it wouldn’t surprise me one iota if this actually happened.
Wonderfully, this is now a press conference somewhere else in the multiverse. However, we can now flip our Cody Barton money into a nostalgia bid for Bobby Wagner.
Still less than JA.
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That is brutal. I hate that Pete and John will likely hide behind Adams injuries as to why this went bad. They coulda just admitted their damn mistake and moved on.
Cross one more possible fit off the list:
Does Calias Campbell have anything left in the tank? Woukd certainly add leadership.
Why the hell would we sign him back?? Another year older and it’s not like our defense was so amazing the previous four years he was on the team.
What me lose in game changing talent we make up with in leadership….?
“We” ….
Barton to Commanders. 1yr fully guaranteed deal
There is a God
Tell that to the Washington Commanders
They will have 3 QBs active every game for eternity.
Cody Barton signed by DC.
Amen.
Praise the lord!
Username checks out…
Perhaps we swap for Holcomb
fantastic news!