Assessing the off-season for the other NFC West teams

Javon Kinlaw was selected by San Francisco with the #13 pick

San Francisco 49ers

The Niners had an inspired and carefully thought out plan for the draft that deserves tremendous credit and praise.

Clearly they acknowledged it was going to be very difficult to keep both Arik Armstead and DeForest Buckner. So rather than simply let Armstead walk in free agency in return for a possible comp pick, they moved Buckner for the #13 pick in the draft. This, in turn, allowed them to replace Buckner with another top-15 selection in Javon Kinlaw.

The alternative was to let Armstead walk and try to replace him with limited resources and one draft pick before round five. Trading Buckner probably was a tough pill to swallow but it was clearly the best way to secure their NFL-leading D-line for the foreseeable future. Armstead, Kinlaw and Nick Bosa are all signed to long term deals, instead of just Buckner and Bosa — with no obvious way to replace Armstead.

Trading up for Brandon Aiyuk was also another smart move. He was always underrated in the media and a legitimate first round prospect. He’s an ideal fit for Kyle Shanahan’s offense with the YAC talent and breathtaking acceleration to be a leading light for the Niners passing and return game.

The trade for Trent Williams was similarly masterful. It took the Seahawks an age to sufficiently replace Russell Okung — going through Bradley Sowell, George Fant and Rees Odhiambo before eventually spending a second and third round pick on Duane Brown. The Niners made their move for Williams (for a mere third and fifth rounder) before the announcement that Joe Staley was retiring was even made.

They’ve legitimately acquired three impact players for 2020. Their day three picks — Colt McKivitz, Charlie Woerner and Jauaun Jennings all have a shot to last too. This was a terrific draft and off-season for the Niners, securing their status as the team to beat in the NFC.

LA Rams

The Rams are in a weird position at the moment. They’re going through a bit of a roster reset at the same time as adding major talent at a huge price. Trading for Jalen Ramsey while paying Jared Goff and Aaron Donald huge sums was bold but has thinned out their depth. They seemed to be ‘all-in’ and now they’re ‘sort of all-in’.

They still have the talent to cause teams major problems. In Donald they have the defining defensive player of this generation and a true game-wrecker. Ramsey is arguably the most talented defensive back in the NFL. Sean McVay’s offense is still incredibly difficult to stop as Seattle witnessed in LA last season.

They have lost players though and had to patch-up other areas. With no first round pick they’ve been pretty much forced to bring back Andrew Whitworth. Corey Littleton, Dante Fowler, Nickell Robey-Coleman and Greg Zuerlein have departed. They accepted their fate with Todd Gurley. They didn’t have the money to bring in reinforcements on the open market. They did catch a break with Michael Brockers returning, having initially agreed terms with Baltimore.

They were also incredibly fortunate to coax a second round pick out of Houston for Brandin Cooks.

The draft was an attempt of sorts to try and fill some holes. The Rams were practically unstoppable in 2018 when Gurley provided a dual-threat in the backfield. Cam Akers was an inspired pick and he’s very capable of filling that void. They will hope that Van Jefferson’s consistency and sharp technique will make up for the Cooks whiff. There are question marks about his health too though. Likewise, there are major concerns about Terrell Lewis’ ability to stay healthy. They will hope he can replace Dante Fowler but having laboured through his final year at Alabama, it’s no given.

The Rams remain good enough to beat any team on their day — yet they’re far from the complete roster that saw them make the Super Bowl. Any kind of bad luck with injuries will test their weak depth. They’ll likely need another off-season (or two) to get back to their peak powers. They’re still an incredibly difficult opponent and they’ve scored 42, 33, 36, 29 and 28 points in their last five games against Seattle.

Arizona Cardinals

The Cardinals pulled off a heist at the start of free agency, trading for DeAndre Hopkins, to launch their attempt to become a serious contender in the NFC West. Kyler Murray has already shown he has the potential to be a special talent. Giving him Hopkins to go with Larry Fitzgerald makes for a serious headache for the rest of the division — especially if some of their younger receivers can take a step forward.

They also added an impact player in the top-10 with Isaiah Simmons. How they use him will be important. They can’t afford to waste a few years working out his fit like they’ve done with Haason Reddick. He has the potential, however, to be the ultimate modern-day defender and a huge boost for a team that’ll need to spy Russell Wilson and provide a coverage solution for George Kittle.

I wasn’t a Josh Jones fan but getting him in round three is great value. Leki Fotu and Rashard Lawrence will sure-up the interior D-line and they already have an elite pass rusher in Chandler Jones. Eno Benjamin is a great compliment to Kenyan Drake.

The Cardinals are still missing a few pieces. The O-line has question marks. Players like Christian Kirk and Andy Isabella have flattered to deceive and they need a speed element on offense. The defense maybe lacks some teeth to go with the obvious talent of Jones, Simmons, Patrick Peterson and Budda Baker.

Even so — this is a team a year removed from picking first overall and they’re very much heading in the right direction. They might not be the finished article yet but they’ll be a difficult opponent every week. They improved this off-season.

Final thoughts

With the Cardinals growing, the Niners enhancing their status at the top of the conference and the Rams proving a particularly difficult challenge for the Seahawks — this is a murderers row of opponents for Seattle in 2020.

On the positive side, they have the best player in the division (Russell Wilson). They’ve also found a way to play the Niners close, which is a good thing given how much they struggle against McVay and the Rams.

Since Seattle’s last Super Bowl appearance, the Rams and Niners have both competed for a title and the Cardinals have been in the NFC Championship game. The Seahawks have become stuck in a rut — being good enough to finish second in the West and make the playoffs — but not good enough to go much further.

It’s going to be difficult to end that run in 2020. Certainly not impossible — but difficult.

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  1. Sea Mode

    LOL, he just said outright Miles Garrett is coming. 😂🤣

    • Volume12


      • Cl


        The official trade rumor as it stands is Myles Garrett and a 6th for KJ Wright, 2nd and 7th.

        And now we wait…

        • Coleslaw

          Fingers crossed lmao

        • Coleslaw

          It would be a Browns thing to do.

        • Volume12

          Can KJ even be traded since he’s hurt?

        • Logan Lynch

          Even Madden would reject that trade.

          • Jeff108

            Madden rejects almost all trades. It doesn’t value draft picks. This comment never makes sense and is always made by someone that doesn’t play Madden.

            • Logan Lynch

              Clearly you’ve never played Madden prior to 2010.

    • Rob Staton

      You know what fair play to KJR. I needed a good laugh and I’m glad this will now either be confirmed or denied by someone within the next 2 hours.

      • Bigten

        Once again, thank you Rob for the in-depth and amazing content. Idk what I would do without this site and you.

        But man is this hilarious and exciting, even if not true. But if it is true, what a dang steal for us!!!!

        • Bigten

          Offload KJ contract, and give up little for a top DE, who is a game wrecker. And then would make the Brooks pick look genius!

          • Seahawk65

            What’s the source of this rumor? Is it a joke or a real possibility. It sounds too good to be a real possibility.

            • Rob Staton

              Well… here’s the scenario.

              A local radio station just introduced a reddit user called ‘everyonelovesnudes’ to come on and break the biggest story in the NFL.

              I’ll let you decide whether it’s a joke or not.

              • CL

                The more I think about it, the more skeptical I get.

                So it’s either a crazy steal or the biggest troll in a really long time I guess

                • Rob Staton

                  I’m at the point now where I’m ready to congratulate Mr. Everyonelovesnudes. Imagine creating enough of a buzz with a BS rumour on reddit to END UP ON THE RADIO TALKING ABOUT IT.

                  • yimba

                    he isnt the only one with sources to the seahawks that have said there is a trade coming. he also said britt and fluker were both getting cut before any other news outlet in the world did. so im gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. there is a big difference between speculating that someone is going to eventually get cut, and calling it on the day of both players getting cut.

                    • Rob Staton

                      Ask yourself what is more likely…

                      That he got lucky with the timing of the obvious and predictable Justin Britt cut.

                      Or a bloke under the name ‘everyonelovesnudz’ just broke the biggest story in the NFL?

                  • Greg Haugsven

                    LOL, dude will probably run for office now.

                  • Hojo

                    This whole topic has me laughing.

                    I can only hope that Mr. Everyonelovesnudes turns out to be a reputable source of information and refuses to go by any other name.

                    • Rob Staton

                      I want to see him picked up by ESPN.

                      Schefter, Mort and Nudez.

                      Running through the stories of the day.

              • DAWGfan

                Not that I think Garrett is traded here, but this reddit user was the first to break the Britt being released. Stated he has a close contact with someone in the offense, this person(his contact) is also someone who went to the same HS as Miles

                • Rob Staton

                  Ask yourself what is more likely…

                  That he got lucky with the timing of the obvious and predictable Justin Britt cut.

                  Or a bloke under the name ‘everyonelovesnudz’ just broke the biggest story in the NFL?

                  • Dalton Villnave

                    Everyonelovesnudz is clearly an Earl Thomas spoof

                  • yimba

                    considering he claims to have a friend on the team. im gonna go ahead and say he knows. he isnt even a seahawks fan, there is no reason for him to make this up. besides his reddit name has nothing to do with that lol. dude comments on packers stuff everyday. he left two things on seahawks reddit. first one is the justin britt one and we shall see about the 2nd one. im not saying he 100% is right. but im also saying you are wrong to be quick to say he is 100% wrong. with your only argument is his reddit name

                    • Rob Staton

                      That’s fair. Everyone knows if you claim to have a friend on the team it definitely means you’re not making it up.

                      Especially if you’re a Packers fan who spends his days commenting on Madden and Drake posts, with the username ‘everyonelovesnudez’.

                      It pretty much ticks every box in the ‘is this legit?’ stakes.

            • J

              Hes the same guy who predicted the Britt cut right before it happened, it may be he has insider info maybe not.

              This trade may or may not happen but at the least its entertaining.

              • Rob Staton

                And again…

                Ask yourself what is more likely…

                That he got lucky with the timing of the obvious and predictable Justin Britt cut.

                Or a bloke under the name ‘everyonelovesnudz’ just broke the biggest story in the NFL?

            • J

              He claims to have a source on the team.

              • Jeff108

                So it gots to be true right J? Smh.

    • Logan Lynch

      Unfortunately, can’t happen. LJ Collier is #95 and we all know how important jersey numbers are.

      • Greg Haugsven

        Either way the guy just made a name for himself. If that trade did happen it would be like stealing. We get Garrett and a 6th for KJ, a 2nd and a 7th? Plus we gain about $2m in cap space. Cmon man.

  2. Denver Hawker

    Everyonelovesnudz officially announced as new MNF commentator for ESPN

    • Rob Staton

      Funny… because stating the obvious (eg everyonelovesnudes) was Booger’s calling card.

      • Denver Hawker

        Unfortunately I’m sure it’d be an upgrade to the broadcast

        • Michael P Matherne

          Thank the gods their rebooting the MNF broadcast team. Couldn’t stand it. I’m actively rooting for Gruden to lose the Raiders gig so that he can get back in the booth. Maybe ESPN can trade for him…

  3. Aaron

    Gets off from work…

    Checks SDB…

    Local radio station talks with @everyonelovesnudz…

    Proceeds to tear up from laughing so hard I may have to pull off the road becuase I can’t see anymore…

    What a time to be alive that a local radio station cites a source called @everyonelovesnudz

  4. Greg Haugsven

    You do really have to give John Lynch a ton of credit for what he has done in his time as the 49ers GM. It hurts to say that but the moves he has made have been impressive.

    • Rob Staton

      I think a lot of it is Kyle.

      • TomLPDX

        I think it is a team effort with coach/GM. John listens to Kyle and also bounces his ideas off of him, Kyle lets John know what he wants. They are a good pair as far as I’m concerned.

    • Big Mike

      Agree 100%, sadly.

    • Simo

      I’m not denying the SF brass have done a really nice job of late, but they also started from a point Seattle hasn’t been at in a very long time. And that’s having some very high draft picks over the past several years, including #2 last year so they could nab Bosa (which was a no-brainer pick).

      Even this year they traded from a position of strength in order to bolster that same position group with a very solid player on a rookie deal. But it took a top 15 pick to get that done!

      I like the Trent Williams trade for them considering they didn’t have to give up to much! Let’s hope Mr Nudez called his shot correctly as Garrett would be a tremendous boost to our DL.

  5. millhouse-serbia


    Really dontvelieve its true but at least its fun..

    • Greg Haugsven

      I dont know about the Lunch Lady and his Seahawks news

    • Pran

      apparently Browns trying to extend Myles contract.. who knows whats going on!

  6. mishima


    Have you considered changing your handle?

    • Volume12

      Would that be an onlyfans account?

  7. Paul Cook

    Slow day for sports news. Hey, I can make up stuff too. They guy didn;t even have the decency to make it a first round pick.

  8. Rob Staton

    I think this whole Myles Garrett thing should be viewed in two ways…

    1. It is clearly BS

    2. It’s also one of the greatest troll efforts I think we’ll ever see, perfectly executed and hilarious — especially appearing on the radio under the name ‘everyonelovesnudz’

    • Ashish

      I want to see some news like Garrett trading talks in NFL or CBS or ESPN. One thing is clear don’t be surprised if something like this happen, JS/PC know they need spark in pass rush. Rob is been saying this for a long time before free agency. May be news came little late…

    • Logan Lynch

      This guy is a legend after today.

      On a more serious note though Rob, great article. Too bad it’s getting snowballed by all this “nudez” talk. All 6 division games will be tough. We’ll be able to find out what this team is truly made of.

      • Bankhawk

        +1 😊

    • Denver Hawker

      The Leroy Jenkins of Seahawks web, I’m actually loving it

      • Volume12

        Hahahaha 😂😂

        ‘Can we get a #’s crunch really quick?’

        ‘All right let’s do this! Leerooooy Jeeeennnnnkins!’

    • STTBM

      Awesome Rob! I’m gonna get in trouble for Google searching “Seahawks news” a million times today because of this dude! Totally awesome how so many bought it. Kudos to kjr for giving this clown a platform. Gawd, I needed this!

      What fun!

  9. MountainHawker

    John did say they made the moves to open space for players they didn’t expect to be available….that’s a very wink wink move if this plays out. I certainly wouldn’t have expected Myles to be available.

    Thoughts on our defense if we really do snag Garrett but lose KJ?

    • Rob Staton

      Yes… clearly he was referring to a massive trade for Myles Garrett. Big thanks to everyonelovesnudez for clarifying those comments…

      (Sorry, this is going to be a very sarcastic comments section for the rest of the day)

      • cha

        Now we know what happened to Baghdad Bob.

    • Cheese22

      I’m not surprised Garrett is available. Wasn’t the last play he made on the field ripping a QB’s helmet off and trying to hammer his unprotected head with it? All the talking heads said it was out of character but Cleveland may be getting some pressure to move him. The surprising part is that nobody else has beat that offer for him.
      If he is available, I say spend whatever it takes to get him.

  10. Ashish

    Man if you go and redditt it feels true 😀 :D. What the heck for time being pass rush problem is solved 🙂 Clowney are you there???

    • Rob Staton

      Move over Adam Schefter.

      There’s a new sherriff in town.

      The name’s nudez. Everyonelovesnudez.

      • Ashish

        LOL i like the name…

      • dcd2

        He missed a golden opportunity if he didn’t introduce himself exactly like that on the radio.

        • Rob Staton

          I believe they introduced him like that!

          • dcd2

            Shut up! They said it James Bond style like that?

            • Rob Staton

              No, sorry. Not like 007. Just a standard ‘everyonelovesnudez’.

              • dcd2

                Oh dang. Still, pretty hilarious. What an amazing troll-job

        • Sea Mode

          Oh, they introduced him for sure and repeated it several times during and after the call.

  11. Volume12

    I’m interested to see how ‘Zona uses Hopkins this year. I’m sure they forsee him as a guy who gives them a true threat on the outside, something they lack, but I’m not convinced Hopkins has the ability to consistently be that anymore.

    • dcd2

      What makes you say that? He’s only 27

      • Volume12

        He’s never been a speed guy. Secondly., when ya go back and watch him the past year or two, he doesn’t seperate super well. Not the same guy he once was. He’s a good fit for them because Kingsbury can get creative w/ his formations & personnel groupings. I’m just curious to see what those are and how they use him.

        • dcd2

          Hmmm. I haven’t watched him all that much, but he had 1,572 yards in ’18 and 1,165 last year. He also has some of the best hands in the NFL. I’d still put him as a top 5-10 WR in the league.

          I do agree that the Arizona offense should open him up though. I’m not looking forward to Nuk lining up instead of Damiere Byrd or Pharoah Cooper next year. That’s a huge upgrade no matter how you slice it.

  12. Ashish

    Jake Heaps has responded — calm down guys in case you had your hopes up. Sorry

    Jake Heaps
    · 32m
    Seahawks Twitter get a grip… Sorry to burst your bubble but the Myles Garrett Trade rumors couldn’t be more wrong (I would love for it to be true).

    No team in their right mind is going to trade one of the NFL’s truly ELITE pass rushers for a LB, a 2nd and 7th RD pick.

    • MountainHawker

      That’s exactly what I’d expect the leaker to say..hmmmm. we’re on to you Heaps. Aka nudez

  13. Logan Lynch

    I’m still not sold. Need INKEDUPSeaHWKZSHANE to corroborate.

    • Sea Mode


  14. JJ

    For some reason this story reminds me of a message I received from a prospective client a number of years ago. He asked that I email him some docs to review and he left his email…

    Never made the sale, received a message or call back.

    • Big Mike

      Sounds like those in person meetings would’ve been pretty tough for you so maybe a good thing.

  15. Rob Staton

    Just logged onto Reddit again and found a post that’s even funnier and even more unrealistic than the everyonelovesnudez stuff:

    “Very few Seahawks had a more positive 2020 than Rasheem Green, who made a big jump between his rookie and sophomore seasons as a pass rusher.”

    Now they’re really stretching the boundaries of what you can get away with suggesting before people know you’re taking the piss.

    • John_s

      A person from Fieldgulls originally wrote that. I don’t know if fieldgulls and I were watching the same Rasheem Green

      • Rob Staton

        Ahhh… it all becomes clear now…

        • mishima

          Has to be Alistair. I think he’s 12.

    • Cortez Kennedy

      Today I learned that Logan Ryan had 4.5 sacks last year, more than every defensive lineman who played for Seattle. 🙁

    • Jon

      Do you not think he was very good last year Rob?

      • Rob Staton

        No, I don’t.

  16. Coleslaw

    The only way this could be true is if him and the browns really do have a fractured relationship.

    It makes sense to trade him now before that gets out, instead of having a Clowney/Ngakoue situation a year later.

    • Rob Staton

      The only way this could be true is if the world has started spinning the other way and M&M’s are going to be the new official world currency.

      (It’s not true)

  17. Rob Staton

    So now that everonelovesnudez has been exposed…

    We can now finally confirm two things…

    1. It was all a load of bollocks

    2. It was still, in fairness, an epic piece of trolling.

    • Aaron

      The guy deserves an award for that performance. 950 KJR deserves a Razzie. What a cluster[bleep], but at least it was a funny cluster[bleep].

      • Rob Staton

        He definitely deserves some praise for the entire ruse in the first place — and having the spuds to go on the radio and not burst into laughter.

      • KennyBadger

        I love the idea of mylez playing for Seattle. I additionally love nudez. Deucez.

    • SoCal12

      If anything, I do applaud Mr. Nudez for providing everyone with a spot of laughter during an otherwise boring quarantine Monday. For that he has my gratitude.

    • Pran

      At least fans have set the bar high for JS and Pete now. They better meet or beat the expectation next time when they try to blow a 2nd or 3rd for one year rental.

    • mac

      Straight up legend man, you had Browns fans hitting F5 forever and gave Seahawks fans hope that there is a pass rush plan. Not even mad at him.

  18. SoCal12

    He did it. Mr. Nudez, a Green Bay cheesehead, has confessed his bamboozle as an act of revenge for the Fail Mary. Good night sweet prince.

    • Rob Staton

      Bravo to Mr. Nudez.


      Sensational trolling.

    • Cortez Kennedy

      Huh, imagine the rumor he will come up with as revenge for the 2014 NFCCG.

  19. Cheese22

    For shits and giggles, imagine Cleveland called and said “we are moving on from Garrett. What can you offer for him?”
    You be the GM.

    • SoCal12

      A first and some nudez.

      • Jim Valvis

        Nothing. We cannot afford him and we cannot afford to gut our future drafts. We need to bite the bullet and accept our fate. We are a poor team kept afloat by a HOF QB and one player will not fix this. We need several solid drafts to undo the damage years of horking the draft, salary cap, and blockbuster trades.

  20. mac

    /r/Everyonelovesnudez truly deserves recognition in our archives.

    It was a bit of a fun distraction though.

  21. TomLPDX

    Are we done with the nudez now?

    • Rob Staton


      But we’ll always have the memories.

      ‘The ballad of everyonelovesnudez’

      • TomLPDX


  22. Rob Staton

    On a serious note.

    Please… nobody ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ask about trading for Myles Garrett or Joey Bosa again.

    ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever


      Yeah, I hear what you’re saying, but I wonder what it would take?

      • Rob Staton

        17 first round picks

        • Cameron

          So you’re saying there’s a chance?

          • Paul Cook


            • HAWKTALKER#1

              I knew there was a chance. We just didn’t want to admit it to ourselves and risk being disappointed.

  23. Denver Hawker

    Henceforth, May 11th shall be remembered as everyonelovesnudes Day. This day shall be commemorated with glorious trolling and obscure trade proposals only to be plausibly believable by a fan base desperate for positive news, ignoring all common sense. The day will culminate with one lucky prognosticator honored for public radio sacrifice, to bring blessings upon the fan base for the upcoming quiet period of off-season.

  24. Kenny Sloth

    When you ask for nudez and she sends Andy Reid in a speedo

  25. Sea Mode

    To be forever remembered:

    I bet PC puts it on for the locker room someday.

    • Robert Las Vegas

      Rob the 49ers. Pretty impressive off-season the way they traded back one spot in the first round. Genius. Then trade. For all pro tackle. For a third round pick. My question the 49ers have Trent Williams under one more Richard Sherman one more year George Kittle one more year. Do you. Bring them all back. The Cardinals are going to score points . i keep thinking Carlos Hyde made 1. 4 million perhaps he will play this year same amount we can come up the amount right

      • Scot04

        Kittles isn’t going anywhere and they’ll likely lockup Trent Williams as well. Sherman i could see them letting go unless they get a team friendly deal.

  26. DJ 1/2 Way (Sea/PDX)

    Back on the article. Good job Rob. More excellent content. Looks like Arizona brass reads your blog. Makes me like them a little bit more.

    Here is some predictions. Two first ballot hall of fame veteran wide receivers, a future hall of fame QB and a generational hall of fame defender playing multiple positions. Even with all that, the Seahawks still beat them like a drum for the next 4-5 years.

    • Gohawks5151

      Future Hall of Fame QB?? Wow. One season. I’d take Chandler Jones to the hall over KM.

    • mishima

      They’ve played us even for the last 4 years.

  27. Coleslaw

    Not gonna lie, I’m sad about the Garrett thing being fake. Just makes me want Clowney more.

    • Paul Cook

      Moral of story: Don’t emotionally invest in false hope.

      • HAWKTALKER#1

        False hope? Why so negative? The trade could still happen.

        • Rob Staton

          No it couldn’t.

          People need to realise this once and for all.

          Myles Garrett is not being traded. He was never being traded.

          It is not happening.

          You might as well hope for Aaron Donald.

          It’s a complete pipe dream.

  28. BobbyK

    I wonder who our coach and GM would be if the report(s) earlier today about how they offered Wilson to the Browns for the #1 pick would have been accepted (Mayfield/Darnold draft). Maybe they would have known Jonathan Taylor would have gone to more Pro Bowls than our own J. Brooks will be going to (if any).

    Russell Wilson gets last years Seahawks to 11-5. Baker Mayfield (or Darnold) last year would have gotten the Seahawks to 4-12 or 5-11.

    • Yimba

      While I agree with you that Wilson is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY BETTER than baker. The Seahawks would have had a bit more money to pay other positional players. So maybe we would’ve gone 7-9 or 9-7 🙂

    • Bigten

      You act as though Taylor has already made 5 pro bowls and Brooks is a bust. There is no guarantee either brooks or Taylor makes a pro bowl, and silly to act as though you have magic power that allows you to see the future. Would I have liked Taylor on the Hawks? Heck ya, but to already crown Taylor as the better Pro is annoying.

      • BobbyK

        I apologize TJ Watt is better than Malik McDowell (or ANYONE!!! drafted after him) even though I told you in advance (years ago). The archives on this blog are fact, not fiction.

        • Darnell

          What in the world do TJ Watt and Malik McDowell have to do with Jordyn Brooks?

          I fail to see the connection or relevance.

          • Dingbatman


            Revisionist straw man argument that can be used by anyone, for any player, for any team, for every year.

            • mishima

              Nothing? Really?

              In both incidences, the Seahawks passed on BPA (arguable) for position of need (debatable).

              This year, you could even argue that they passed on best player at position of need (CE-H or Taylor at RB) for good player at a covered position (Brooks at WILL/MIKE).

              I’ve come around on the Brooks pick, but still think LB wasn’t a priority in the 1st.

              Not really seeing a straw man argument.

              • Bigten

                The straw man argument is using hindsight as a control value for an argument that is not in the same context. Bobby is arguing that he is smarter than everyone else because HE alone told us in advance that TJ Watt was better than McDowell (for which player to player can not be made, because way to many variables to site). So because he made that bold prediction alone, and you can see that he is smarter by looking at the archives which don’t lie, he is now smarter in predicting that Taylor will have many Pro Bowls while Brooks will have likely none. Before either have played a down of football. I agree that I would have liked Taylor, and I would have liked Watt, but the argument can be made that they DID go BPA with there first pick. They picked BPA instead of a position of need. Which is exactly what you wanted them to do.

        • D-OZ

          I was with you on that one Bobby….

  29. CL

    On a side Note, the other “inside info” guy said we are close to a deal with a plan B for Clowney.

    He thought he and memelord heard the same thing, but apparently not haha

    • CL

      We are in the middle of trade negotiations right now and last I heard it’s pretty close to being a done deal, compensation is still being figured out. I never said we were getting Myles Garrett. I actually dont know who it’s for but its plan b for not signing Clowney and to bolster our dline.

      I thought nudez was hearing the same thing I was. But evidently not.

      • Rob Staton

        I think it’s time to move on.

    • Rob Staton

      I think we’ve had our fill of Reddit insiders for one year.

  30. Frank

    What a way to wake up, SDB feeling like Comedy Central talking about everyonelovesnudes, and Leroy Jenkins 🤣. I’m not one to enjoy trolling, but that was a masterful bit of it. There are two things that make draft day frustrating after thinking and studying all year, your team passing on players you really like, and watching your rival teams grab those players. Most years all my favorite players end up on the Pats, or Ravens, but notably the NFC west has started really doing a great job. The 49ers did an amazing job keeping the talent lvl of that d-line in tact, and I have a few choices words about them landing Aiyuk that I’ll refrain from using before Rob bans me haha. The Cards are really shaping up into quite the nightmare themselves, them landing Hopkins absolutely drives me nuts. Much like the Hawks, I don’t see anything with the Rams that’s says they’ve made substantial improvements this offseason and could see them being overtaken bye the Cards this year.

    • Group Captain Mandrake

      I think it would have been masterful if it was believable, but it was way too one sided. Anyone that believed this rumor, I have a nice bridge for you.

  31. Sea Mode

    Take your guesses: will this continue for us this season? At what percent? And should it, or is there a reason literally no one else in the NFL is trying this…?


    Percentage of snaps in base defense in 2019

    1. Seattle Seahawks – 69%
    2. Arizona Cardinals – 38%

    NFL Average – 27%

    • Rob Staton

      I feel this is old news by now.

      As noted before, it felt clear to me that the Seahawks ran a lot of base simply because they wanted to get three of their best defensive players on the field (Wagner, Wright, Kendricks) and the fact Kendricks was fast gave them a chance to try it.

      Playing base wasn’t the main issue. The horrendous pass rush, total lack of protection for the LB’s and just overall lack of talent is a much bigger issue. When they used a nickel, whether it was Taylor or Amadi, things didn’t improve. And the defense wasn’t great the year before either when they had Coleman.

      The base thing has become a bigger deal than it probably should be. Fix the pass rush. Pure and simple.

      • cha

        Seems so strange that their defense is predicated so much on the success of the front 4, yet they continually cut corners in that area.

  32. Gohawks5151

    Uninspired prediction: We go 50/50 vs our division. It was what we did this year and even in the LOB years. Fortunately the rest of our schedule is decent enough to get to 10 wins which sounds right to me. From there hope you are healthy and let Russ be Russ

    • UkAlex6674

      So your prediction is 13-3?

      • Comfect

        I’d read that as saying 10-6: 3-3 in division, 7-3 outside.

        • UkAlex6674

          50/50 in our division.

          Then the rest of our schedule will get 10 wins.

          Ergo, 13-3.

          • Rob Staton

            He said the rest of the schedule was decent enough to get to 10 wins overall. And I agree. At the moment a 10-11 win season seems achievable.

  33. J

    The only real improved team is the Cardinals. Had a nice draft, made a few good FA moves, stole Hopkins.

    49ers drafted netted them Kinlaw and Aiyuk but they are replacing Buckner and Sanders, hard to see how that would be an improvement. Trent Williams could make them better, but he also is 38, played in zero games last year and hasn’t played a full season since 2013.

    The Rams lost some talent in FA, didnt sign or trade for anyone of note and had a meh draft. I like Akers and Burgess but their first pick wasn’t until the end of the second, hard to add impact talent that way.

    Seattle did okay in proactively addressing weaknesses. Got a nice option at nickle in Dunbar, fixed the OLB speed issue, shored up the possession WR for Russ. Still a few flaws left, pass rush they added some guys at LEO where we had nobody last year but you’d like more. DT depth and RB are the other two that could use some work.

    So offseason rankings are Arizona at the top, SF and Seattle in the middle too close to call, and the Rams finishing last which I hope becomes a theme for them.

    • Rob Staton

      Trent Williams just turned 31. He is not 38.

      Aiyuk and Kinlaw are excellent. Both playing in ideal situations for rookies.

      Everyone a year older from last year too, including Bosa.

      They are the team to beat.

      • J

        My bad on the age thing. Still injury prone.

        How are the 49ers better? I agree Kinlaw and Aiyuk are excellent. Would have loved Seattle to get either. But what are the odds they are as good as Buckner and Sanders in their first year? With a possible reduced training camp? I’d put that near zero.

        Where are the 49ers better? It boils down to Trent Williams only. Whatever that is worth.

        • Rob Staton

          They could easily be as good. They only had Sanders for half a season too.

    • mishima

      Dunbar is an outside CB and has missed 14 games / past 2 seasons. Brooks is your only ‘speed’ at LB and last year demonstrated the effect of a weak DL on LB play. Who is the possession WR? Dorsett?

      I agree that Mayowa and Taylor will be better than Ansah and Griffin.

      IMO, there’s SF and then a few .500 teams battling for a wild card.

      • J

        Dunbar has played slot before. I think he will probably move to slot and Flowers outside on some situations.

        The possession WRs are actually TE, Greg Olsen, Colby Parkinson, maybe a healthy Dissly.

        Replacing KJ Wright with Brooks will be huge from a defensive standpoint.

        Saying SF is the most improved is crazy talk. Where did they improve for 2020? I love Aiyuk and Kinlaw but they probably won’t be as good as the guys they are replacing. Its Trent Williams only. Who replaced Joe Staley btw. If you want to have them better than Seattle that is a reasonable opinion. But to say they really improved in any large way is wrong.

        • mishima

          Agree: AZ improved the most. I was commenting on the probable NFC West standings: SF, then everyone else.

          Currently, I see us competing with LAR for 3 and 4 in the division.

          • HAWKTALKER#1

            With the Cardinals in second place? I would say that’s some kind of flaming hot take

    • cha

      49ers drafted netted them Kinlaw and Aiyuk but they are replacing Buckner and Sanders, hard to see how that would be an improvement.

      Kinlaw may not be an improvement over Buckner in 2020 but that doesn’t mean it’s not a huge net positive for the Niners.

      They couldn’t pay both Armstead and Buckner. So minimum alternative was a 2021 3rd round comp pick after he walks. Knowing this, they still managed to leverage him into the #13 pick in the draft. Which they turned into Kinlaw and used the 4th round pick they got for faking out the Bucs on Wirfs as part of the package to get Aiyuk.

      So the instead of having roster fill at DT and WR, they have two of the draft’s best players on rookie contracts the next 4 years. And if they produce anything above league-average their rookie year’s it was a big upgrade over the minimum return.

      That’s a good day’s work right there.

      • J

        What players did they add in 2020 with that cap space?

        • cha

          I didn’t say anything about cap space so I don’t know what you’re asking.

          Losing player X and adding player Y and asking if that’s an improvement is a perfectly valid question to ask.

          But I think it needs to be discussed – the Niners were losing Staley to retirement, Buckner to free agency and Sanders probably didn’t fit into their plans and was going away anyway. So they honestly were starting 2020 offseason with holes or scrubs at those spots, not so much making a choice to upgrade or downgrade on those players.

          So the point of “Trent Williams, Javon Kinlaw and Brandon Aiyuk are far better than replacement scrubs and it maintains their salary cap standing and sets them up for the foreseeable future” is definitely just as valid.

      • Scot04

        Totally agree Cha

    • Cortez Kennedy

      The 49ers had as close to a perfect offseason as a SB runner up can have. let’s just be thankful that they traded for Garroppolo rather than drafting Mahomes or Watson in 2017.

      • J

        Where are they better?

        Trent Williams over Joe Staley is an upgrade. I’d consider it a small to medium one. I know Staley missed games last year but Williams didn’t play any games last year and hasn’t played a full season since 2013 so you can’t expect much better health.

        That’s it. Their draft picks, while being good, are replacing really good vets. So you can’t expect much upgrade there.

        Long term they did well but it is hard to see how they will be better in 2020.

        • dcd2

          You don’t always get to replace pro-bowlers with more pro-bowlers. The fact that they did what they did, with what they have deserves credit.

          We lost Earl Thomas for a 3rd round comp and replaced him with TT and Lano Hill. They traded DeFo and got a first round pick to use on one of the top DT’s in the draft. That’s ‘winning’ in the off-season. Kinlaw won’t have the impact that DeFo did as a rookie, of course. There are few guys in the league that will. The fact that they got a guy who could grow into that role on a rookie deal, which saves them $15M or so is as good as you can hope for.

          They did, in fact, replace a pro-bowl LT with another one at extremely low cost. Aiyuk could be as good or better than Sanders in 2020, IMO.

          Are they a better team than last year? We’ll see. They did have a great off-season though.

          • mishima

            Kept their priority free agents (Armstead, Ward) while creating roster flexibilitity in the form of cap space and draft picks. Improvement.

            Right now, SF is executing ‘win forever’ better than many/most NFL teams.

  34. Logan Lynch

    I guess Dorsett is doing a Zoom call with media today like Olsen did last week, so we’ll have some more content to dissect.

  35. Donny Henson

    Well since I’m tired of hearing about Clowney and his rumored replacements I want to post some training camp battles that I’m interested in this upcoming season

    1. Running back #3- Deejay Dallas vs Travis Homer vs potential addition of Marshawn Lynch
    2. Wide Receiver #4 & #5- Phillip Dorsett vs John Ursua vs Freddie Swain vs Stephen Sullivan vs potential addition of Josh Gordon
    3. Tight End #3 & #4- Jacob Hollister vs Luke Willson vs Colby Parkinson
    4. Starting Left Guard- Mike Iupati vs Phil Haynes
    5. Backup Center- Joey Hunt vs Ethan Pocic
    6. Starting 5 Tech- Rasheem Green vs LJ Collier
    7. Backup 1 Tech- Bryon Mone vs potential addition of Brandon Mebane/ Marcell Dareus
    8. Starting Right Corner- Quinton Dunbar vs Tre Flowers
    9. Starting Strong Safety- Bradley McDougald vs Marquise Blair

    This thread will be open to comments, opinions, etc

    • EranUngar

      I’ll add one:

      Brooks vs K.J. at WILL.
      Irvin vs K.J. at SAM.

      • Donny Henson

        Yeah that’s another one. I think KJ will start at the beginning of the season, but I could see Jordyn taking snaps as the season progresses

    • CL

      Lockett #1
      Metcalf #2

      who do you think is #3?
      Gordon if he returns?

      • Donny Henson

        Yeah Gordon would be automatic #3 if brought back, but not it will be David Moore due to experience

  36. RWIII

    Guys: Check out this film breakdown of Damien Lewis. Very interesting. I think you will like it.
    BTW: Lewis WINS in battle against both Raekwon Davis and Justin Madubuike.

    I am feeling better about this draft class all the time.

    • Big Mike

      I watched it this morning. I’ve had a really good feeling about the Hawks drafting him since it happened and I still feel that way. He’ll struggle a bit in pass pro early on but I see Pro Bowl potential. Wouldn’t have known a thing about him if not for Rob and this site. Kudos Mr. Staton.

  37. Robert Las Vegas

    Rob i found this kinda interesting Pete has never won coach of the year.the Seahawks have been in the playoffs 8 out of last 10 years . John S has never won Executive of the year . Russell has never one vote for the league MVP. Overall pretty mind boggling

    • Gohawks5151

      It’s a crock. Arians wins over Pete in the super bowl year because he replaced Pagano while out with cancer. Great story, not best coach. Ron Rivera the next year coaching a team we beat on the way to a super bowl. Ryan Grigson wins the award in 2012 for drafting Andrew Luck over Schneider’s amazing 2012 draft. Russ no votes last year despite obviously carrying this team. Bobby no Defensive player of the year votes 2 years ago No LOB Defensive player of the years either…

      If its not some sort of bias, im not sure what is

      • Big Mike

        It is bias. Not necessarily intentional but bias none the less. The Seahawks have been a league afterthought for a good portion of their existence because of generally poor to average play and geography. That’s a difficult thing to overcome.

    • cha

      None of those facts bother me one bit. Lombardi is what it’s all about.

      The last Coach of the Year to win a SB? 2003, BB. It’s been 16 seasons since COY won the SB. 16! In that time such coaching legends as Matt Nagy, Lovie Smith, Marv Lewis and Jason Garrett won COY.

      In those 16 Seasons, MVP has won the SB twice, Brady (2x) and Manning.

      Voters focus on one year success stories, feel good stories, and newcomers. Long-term sustained success that isn’t always spectacular rarely gets recognized with awards.

      • Gohawks5151

        Russ will be the new Drew Brees?

  38. edgar

    Greg Olsen might end up being the greatest signing….get Hollister and his 3 mil off the books right now.

  39. 2020Hawk

    It looks like the Seahawks added personel to make RW better & it looks like the last 2 years they added personenel to make Bobby Wagner better. Our QB & MLB control the offensive & defensive units. The Linebacker unit is the core of the defense supported by big bodies on the DL (Mone & Christmas) and a ball Hawking secondary. The DE’s secure the edge & keep OT’s off the LB’s. Passing downs DE’s utilize the Swiss Army knife approach to match up against Offensive Lineman.

    • Rob Staton

      This DL is not good enough to keep the LB’s clean.

      • 2020Hawk

        Can’t the DE’s tie up the OT’s, even though they lack a consistent track record of sacks? Poona can definitely tie up OL, Reed should be better at it and the young DT’s are unproven and the fact that Seattle decided to go big at DT I see where you are coming from.

        • Rob Staton

          The line is inadequate as it stands.

  40. dcd2

    With no #everyonelovesnudez, how about this for a distraction?

    If you could do the Draft over again with no trades, but the knowledge of who would go where, how would you have tackled this year? We started with picks: 27, 59, 64, 101, 133, 144, 214. You are also allowed one ‘Priority’ UDFA.

    Here’s the results:

    My Draft:
    27. Jonathan Taylor -RB
    59. Denzel Mims – WR
    64. Julian Okwara – DE
    101. Leki Fotu – DT
    133. Amik Robertson – Nickel
    144. Hakeem Adeniji – T/G
    214. Stephen Sullivan – TE (If only to hear that radio interview again)

    UDFA: Bronson Rechsteiner – FB

    • mishima

      My Draft:

      27. Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB, LSU
      59. Willie Gay Jr., LB, Mississippi State
      64. Jabari Zuniga, DE, Florida
      101. Leki Fotu, DT, Utah
      133. Rashard Lawrence II, DT, LSU
      144. Shane Lemieux, G, Oregon
      214. Jauan Jennings, WR, Tennessee

      UDFA: Gordon, QB, WSU

      • dcd2

        Pretty good mishima. This is my second favorite of them all!

        I’m going to save these and look back in a few years to see how we did.

        First prize is a Cadillac. Second prize is a set of steak knives. If we get a third entry, I’ll let you know about that prize.

        • mishima

          Just remember: Coffee is for closers.

  41. RWIII

    Edgar: Mentioned getting Hollister off the books right now. Don’t think so. I would not be surprised if John Schneider might try and trade him for a low round draft pick. New England Maybe.

    BTW: I Love the fact that the Hawks have all these tight-ends. I love two tight-end formations. They help BOTH in the run offense and the pass offense. Also when you have two tight-ends you can keep them in and have maximum protection.

    Do you guys remember this play. The Hawks had two tight-ends in for maximum protection.

    • Bigten

      Tho it would be funny to send him back to NE, maybe even getting a higher pick than we gave, that is not happening for many reasons. For starters, NE just drafted 2 TE high.

  42. RWIII

    One last point. Check out this scouting report video on Jordyn Brooks.

    I love the pick of Jordyn Brooks.

    • Ralphy

      Nice find. Thanks for posting that.

  43. Bertelli

    I personally like Hollister. Not sure why he gets such a bad wrap. In fact, I like all of our TE’s. I wonder if PC/JS have cooked up some sort of strategy in conjunction with the roster expansion? That might explain our unorthodox approach of collecting TE’s and OL. Maybe they’re planning to keep all these guys and activate them when the matchups are good throughout the season? Just spit-balling here, I just can’t see who they’re going to get rid of when looking at all these players.

    • 12th chuck

      I thought he exceeded expectations when we needed him most, which why the greg Olsen signing was a bit of a stretch, financially.hope we can keep him

      • drewdawg11

        He exceeded expectations for sure… but I was unimpressed. He got stuffed as a blocker and he’s not dynamic enough in the passing game to justify him playing as much as he did, other than the fact that Will was injured. He was what we had available. They drafted two guys to probably make sure they weren’t in that position again.

    • Darnell

      Hahaha “bad wrap”. That made me chuckle

      Now at Subway.

    • Logan Lynch

      I think part of it is that Russ has generally had great success with TE during his career and they can be a big part of this offense. Dissly being out the last 2 seasons hamstrung the offense a bit. Outside the top 2 WR targets, the TE has arguably been the most valuable receiver for Russ. It’s also a way to attack the defense in multiple ways. 2TE sets make it easier to run, especially if you have guys that can block. Make the defense stay in base and then hit them with some PA pass plays or TE seam routes. The TE can be a major weapon in this offense and each of the guys they have can be tough matchups in their own ways.

  44. Volume12

    What are those Rams unis? 🤮

    • Rob Staton


    • Logan Lynch

      I’m convinced they used WordArt for the color gradient on the numbers and then put it all together in MS Paint.

      • cha

        The “melty” number is the worst feature of the new unis.

        Chargers and Rams have near identical color schemes, but Chargers new unis > Rams new unis.

        • Volume12

          Chargers might have my favorite unis.

          • Rob Staton


            I also like the old school ones too.

            Seattle’s are perfectly fine but after eight years will soon start to look a bit dated.

            • Volume12

              Doesn’t get better than those powder blues. Loved the addition of the #’s on the helmet too.

              Yup. I really want them to bring back the silver helmets, blue jerseys, and silver bottoms, but w/ an updated look.

              • Greg Haugsven

                I agree with the old ones but with an updated look. Maybe keep the new mean Seahawk, make the silver more shiny for the helmets and the pants instead of matte and work on the shoulder of the jersey somehow to have a Seahawks on there somehow.

                • Greg Haugsven

                  This is what Im talkin about.


                  • millhouse-serbia

                    That would be perfect. When we can expect new ones?

              • Rob Staton

                I’m actually not crazy about returning to the old school look. Seattle’s colours were not an all time classic look like Chicago, Green Bay, Dallas. I think they’d look equally dated now and would be better used as an alternative.

                I actually think certain teams should change things up every five years. The Seahawks being one of them. They don’t have an old-school look so experiment a bit.

                • cha

                  I’d love wolf grey jersey w navy pants as a permanent choice over the road whites.

                  The Action green jersey w navy pants last year was a huge improvement over all action green.

                  • Rob Staton

                    I like all the combo’s of Seattle’s current set personally. I think the white on blue is a really strong look.

            • Volume12

              There’s also too many navy blue and red color schemes. The Texans shoulda went with the Oilers columbia blue and scarlet red. And IMO the sword logo from the Titans would look great in a maroon and white w/ a hint of grey.

    • cha


  45. Henry Taylor

    This is a completely random comment, but remember that super fun FB highlight tape of Bronson Rechsteiner that got discussed on here in the lead up to the draft?

    He ended up on the Ravens, and I frickin’ love that. Their offence is just so much fun.

  46. Volume12

    Field Yates
    The Cardinals’ plan for rookie Isaiah Simmons early in his career: focus on one role.

    Shocking. Swear I heard that somewhere… 🤔

    • mishima



      • Kenny Sloth

        Yup way ahead of the curve on that one

  47. Rob4q

    Intersting read over at PFN:

    • Volume12

      I don’t think Taylor gets outta the 1st had he tested.

      • Robert Las Vegas

        I give Carl Davis one minimum salary. I think he will suspended for the first 4 games. He is 6″5 and 320. And 28 years old. He might be worth a shot .

  48. Greg Haugsven

    Jaguars release DT Carl Davis. 6′ 5″ 320. Could be an option as our run stuffer. Only 28 but has been on three teams the last three years so not sure about that.

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