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Why Sam Howell’s performance on Sunday doesn’t mean anything for the Seahawks’ future at quarterback

I was listening to Brock & Salk yesterday, where the subject of Seattle’s quarterback future came up. Salk mentioned he’d been having a conversation with Gee Scott, who was arguing that Geno Smith ‘made himself a ton of money’ on Sunday after Sam Howell struggled badly against the Packers.

Quite rightly, Salk called it out as a lazy take. I wanted to share my own thoughts on why Salk is right.

Firstly, it’s not as if the Seahawks were under the impression that Howell was a starter in waiting and now they’ve been dealt a bitter blow because he struggled in relief. Nobody in the front office was watching that game, mouth ajar, shocked by what they were witnessing.

Truth be told, they already knew he wasn’t good enough. They saw it in training camp. They saw it when he threw 21 interceptions last season and gave up 65 sacks. They saw it when he fell to the fifth round in 2022, with the Seahawks opting to pass on him in round four, despite needing a quarterback.

On the day they traded for him, John Schneider said in an interview he was coming to be the backup. He never said that about Drew Lock, who was described as one of ‘two #1 quarterbacks on the roster’ instead. The move for Howell was likely inspired by Lock’s decision to sign for the Giants. Schneider, Mike Macdonald and Ryan Grubb all talked up Lock in quite an exaggerated way before his decision, in an apparent attempt to convince him to stay. When he didn’t, they had to call an audible.

The Seahawks brought in Howell because they needed a cheap backup and clearly felt Howell was better than the limited options remaining on the open market. His cap-hit was a key factor. Howell is costing just $985,000 this year. In comparison, Carson Wentz is costing the Chiefs $2.35m to be Patrick Mahomes’ backup. Joe Flacco is costing the Colts $5m.

They also correctly identified there’d be a rush on quarterbacks in the draft, with a big gap between the first rounders and the rest, meaning they probably weren’t going to be able to select a player. Howell was a cheap backup on a rookie contract with some playing experience. It was a low-level shot to nothing.

Most backup quarterbacks are bad. Howell is no different. I wasn’t a fan of the compensation given up for him but it appears there was enough of a market for a bidding war to break out, leading to the Seahawks swapping a third rounder for a fourth. It wasn’t a back-breaking deal. The fact they traded down from pick #78 to #102 and then to #121 suggests they weren’t crazy about the value in the late third round and early fourth anyway.

That Howell struggled badly on Sunday is simply confirmation that he isn’t good enough. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn’t mean that Geno Smith is suddenly viewed in a more positive light, because he happens to be superior to Howell — something we already knew.

I’ve seen it suggested in several places that people might ‘appreciate’ Geno Smith more now that we’ve seen Howell in the offense. Again, I don’t think it makes any difference. I doubt Howell would thrive if he was playing behind the 2014 Dallas Cowboys offensive line with peak Dez Bryant to throw to. He is what he is — a cheap backup. Smith is a far better player, something I imagine 99% of fans have long embraced.

A lot of the people saying Smith should receive, or is now more likely to receive, a big extension in the off-season, are the same people who thought he might be franchise-tagged in 2023, or receive a contract of a similar annual amount. He didn’t. His market was limited, perhaps even limited to just the Seahawks. He returned on a team-friendly arrangement with annual ‘outs’.

Since his fantastic hot streak to begin the 2022 season, ending after the game in Munich, he’s thrown 49 touchdowns and 30 interceptions. Seattle’s record since the Germany game is only 20-19.

I appreciate the challenges of quarterbacking the current-day Seahawks but I also think, eventually, you have to admit that throwing only three more touchdowns than a struggling Will Levis this season — despite playing three more games — isn’t great. Neither is being third in the league for interceptions, including sharing the lead for picks thrown into the end zone with Jameis Winston. Smith is 24th in the NFL for QBR and 19th for quarterback rating.

According to Hugh Millen on KJR, in the last two seasons, there are 49 quarterbacks with 200 pass attempts in the NFL. His completion percentage among those 49 quarterbacks in the red zone ranks 46th. His passer rating ranks 47th. Millen described a ‘success rate’ for passes on each subsequent down in the red zone. Smith ranked 44th. On interceptions per attempt, he ranked 44th and for pure interceptions he’s 49th. He shares company with the likes of Winston, Levis, Kenny Pickett and Daniel Jones on these lists.

For this season alone, he ranks 32nd out of 34 qualifying quarterbacks for passer rating in the red zone. He ranks 34th for interceptions. His touchdown to interception rate ranks 33rd. His completion percentage ranks 26th.

Surely these numbers have to be taken into account when considering the likelihood of a very expensive new contract? Certainly more than Smith getting injured and his backup struggling.

One of the positive arguments in favour of Smith has been his PFF grade, where he is ranked eighth at quarterback. I’d love to understand their grading. Smith has an 83.3 total grade for his performance this year. However, in not one single game has he received a grade at or higher than 83.3. His highest grade in a game so far was an 83.1 against New England. That was his only game graded in the 80’s. So how does he get an overall 83.3 grade?

The average of his game-by-game grading is a 72.6. Clearly PFF doesn’t use the average for a cumulative season grade. The confusing nature as to how a player can only grade in the 80’s once all season yet get an 83.3 total grade for the year, 10 full points higher than his average, makes me sceptical.

People often cite the bad offensive line as a major roadblock to more success for Geno Smith. According to ESPN, the Seahawks rank 17th for pass block win rate.

The Dolphins rank 20th, in a similar range. Tua Tagovailoa has had a difficult season. He’s played four fewer games than Smith yet has thrown four more touchdowns, is ranked 13th for QBR and ninth for quarterback rating. The Bengals are ranked an abysmal 29th. Joe Burrow is third in the NFL for QBR and quarterback rating and leads the league in touchdowns. This is why Burrow is considered an elite player. But it shows Smith’s lack of touchdowns and high number of picks isn’t due to an impossible environment.

Smith’s average ‘time to throw’ is 2.82 seconds according to PFF. That places him 16th in the NFL. Again, middle of the pack. It’s the exact same rate as Josh Allen. Tagovailoa has the least amount of time to throw in the league at 2.31 seconds and yet, as noted, he has more touchdowns and a superior QBR and quarterback rating in fewer games.

It should also be noted that Smith has faced the most pressures among qualifying quarterbacks, despite these numbers. That’s in part due to Stone Forsyth giving up 35 pressure alone in just six games (seventh most in the NFL for the season). He hasn’t played since week six. Mike Jerrell also gave up 14 pressures in four games. He hasn’t played since week 11.

None of the above, to me, suggests the league’s position on Smith is going to have changed considerably now that he’s 18 months older. I suspect his market is no different than it was coming off the best year of his career in 2022. It may even be slightly weaker given his age.

I can already hear the ‘Geno hater’ accusations building, so let me reiterate my stance on Smith. I think he’s a perfectly good bridge option. I don’t want him rushed out of the door. I appreciate his excellent physical talent and that there are far worse quarterbacks currently in the NFL. I think he’s handled a difficult situation well this year, playing a key role in Seattle’s eight wins so far. The Seahawks can do far worse than Smith and definitely shouldn’t be switching to someone else for the sake of it.

I also think it’s pretty hard to be that excited about a bridge quarterback when you’re not actually bridging to anything. I don’t think Smith is a long-term solution for Seattle. I think he does some things very well but if we’re being honest, he also does some things that prevent him from being among the better quarterbacks in the NFL — as we’ve seen with his red zone play over the last two seasons.

In an ideal world Seattle would’ve drafted a young quarterback this year or in 2023 and that player would be developing in the background — as Green Bay did with Jordan Love. That hasn’t happened. I don’t blame the Seahawks, they’ve not passed on any quarterback I wish was in Seattle. But they don’t have a clear plan at the position.

These are the questions for me. Do the Seahawks want to commit a significant guaranteed contract to Geno Smith, paying him a handsome annual salary? Is there a compromise deal that suits both parties? Are there other players the Seahawks want to pursue? Is there anyone in the draft they can add in 2025 to finally create the bridge arrangement?

Let’s go through these one by one.

Do the Seahawks want to commit a significant guaranteed contract to Geno Smith, paying him a handsome annual salary? I don’t think Schneider is interested in doing that, based on what happened and what he said in the last off-season. I think the Seahawks would prefer to go year-to-year and are open-minded about things.

Is there a compromise deal that suits both parties? This remains the most likely option. There could be some brinkmanship in negotiations from both sides but ultimately, they might need each other. A contract that pays more, retains a year-to-year nature but doesn’t force any long-term commitment or massive increase in cost could be the best option.

Are there other players the Seahawks want to pursue? We’ve talked about Sam Darnold and why Schneider might have interest in him. There aren’t many alternatives. That’s why a compromise might be most likely, unless they want to aggressively compete for Darnold who looks set to get a Baker Mayfield-style contract in the off-season. If such a deal is structured the same way, a low first-year cap hit ($7-8m) and an out after year two could be appealing.

Is there anyone in the draft they can add in 2025 to finally create the bridge arrangement? In the last seven days, Garrett Nussmeier and Drew Allar both announced they won’t be entering the 2025 draft. Neither player was close to a flawless prospect but they had intriguing traits that you could easily imagine would appeal to Schneider. The quarterback class now looks especially thin. There’s a distinct possibility the 2025 draft will come and go and once again, the Seahawks won’t draft a quarterback. Schneider seemed to at least have some interest in Quinn Ewers but after a disappointing 2024, that might’ve changed.

So where does this leave us? Sadly, without a particularly attractive outlook. The most likely scenario is a short extension with Smith that increases his average earning per year but also retains an annual out for the Seahawks and reduces his 2025 cap hit. Not being able to draft a future potential starter, though, means an increasing likelihood of kicking the long-term can down the road again.

That’s a problem, at least in my eyes. The longer you wait, the benefit of Smith as the bridge will eventually run out. He’s getting older. This is the second season in a row where he’s been hurt late in the season.

Further to this, in the last four seasons, the Seahawks are 33-33 if you include the San Francisco playoff defeat in 2022. I appreciate that if they can fix the offensive line and correct some other issues within the team, they’ll have a better chance of success. But even then, they’ve been a nine-win team the last two years and might be heading that way again. They’re in danger of becoming a consistent middle-ground team — and I’m not sure you can break out of that without cost-effective brilliance at quarterback. It’s not the only way but it usually is.

Improvements to the offensive line in the off-season will definitely help the cause. I still think more is needed to make this team a serious contender, including at quarterback. Fans can justifiably be underwhelmed with the situation when you consider the choices are a continuation of what has only taken the Seahawks to nine wins, perhaps with the promise of trying to finally fix the offensive line. But what are the options to get significantly better?

It’s tough to generate enthusiasm for the future when the situation is considered this way. I wish I had a more positive outlook to present. Maybe they can make the defense even better and create a more balanced, competent offense and win that way? Like I said, maybe. Therefore, should we actually consider an off-season where defensive additions, alongside the O-line, are more important?

Yet nothing about Sunday means Geno Smith is more likely to get paid a whopping new contract, just because Sam Howell struggled. It’s hard to work out why that would be justified anyway, why they’d be obliged to, or how it would make the Seahawks any better in the short or long term.

The reality of the current day Seattle Seahawks and why change feels inevitable on offense

The Pittsburgh game was the final straw. Battered at home, with Steelers fans belting out a chorus in your stadium. That was the moment it became clear the Pete Carroll era would conclude at the end of the 2023 season.

A year on and despite changing the whole staff and sections of the roster, the Seahawks have had four similar home experiences. They aren’t carbon copies. The Steelers ran the ball down Seattle’s throat despite having Mason Rudolph propping up the quarterback position. The defense this year is in a much better place than it was 12 months ago.

Even so, the Giants (!!!), 49ers, Bills and Packers have all marched into Seattle and delivered a whooping. The Seahawks are staring at another probable 9-8 season for a third year in a row. If Sam Howell has to finish the season as the starting quarterback, 8-9 is very possible.

The question is, how willing are the Seahawks to stare this situation down and be sufficiently active to fix the problems?

I’m not suggesting they’ve been inactive. Firing Carroll was a franchise-altering move. They’ve adjusted the roster effectively during the season to enable the defense to take a big step forward, even if some issues still remain.

More is required though. They need to retain an aggressive mindset. They can’t have a ‘move the chairs around’ off-season, otherwise they’re going to be stuck in the 9-8 range.

We’ve seen how far behind the Packers and Bills they are. We saw the 49ers, when they still had a semblance of health, handle the Seahawks in the first game between the two teams.

They are not close to being a serious contender. Nobody who watched that game last night is going to take the Seahawks seriously. They will be an afterthought in the national discussion and rightly so. If they do make the playoffs, they’ll be seen as a traffic cone for a superior team to drive around.

As a franchise we’re all sat here laughing at the 49ers after their years of NFC domination has come to an end because of injuries. We question how good the Rams actually are, as they out-gun the Bills in a way Seattle can only dream of.

Forget them. Honesty and an inward looking focus is required.

Everyone can see it starts with Seattle’s offensive line but it doesn’t end there. They need three new interior starters. They’ve been highly aggressive to fix aspects of the defensive line, to their credit. Two second round picks on Boye Mafe and Derick Hall, the #16 pick on Byron Murphy, trading a haul to rent Leonard Williams before paying him a massive extension, paying Uchenna Nwosu, bringing in veterans Jarran Reed and Johnathan Hankins.

They need that same energy for the other side of the ball in the upcoming off-season and anything less will be unacceptable. The Seahawks are long beyond the afforded time to try and build an O-line slowly. The pressure should be on. After failing to build a good line over three drafts, to the point that zero positions currently feel secure, they now have to go out and make things happen.

John Schneider and his staff may well turn around and say, ‘go on then, how do we do that?’ Nobody disputes that it is difficult to build a competent offensive line. Very few teams have pulled it off. Yet the Seahawks have been especially poor over the years in this area and time has run out for this particular GM and front office to play the long game. They have to put a line on the field that is not an abject disaster.

The Packers last night had a seventh round pick at left tackle, two second round blog favourites at left guard and center, a third rounder at right guard and a fourth round blog favourite at right tackle. They gave up zero sacks. They’ve enabled Josh Jacobs to have a good season, while Jordan Love is having a decent year too.

Schneider is a Ron Wolf protégé. I’ve spoken frequently to people who worked with Wolf and they all say the same thing — Wolf preached the importance of the trenches first and foremost. That’s his core philosophy. How can it be that Schneider, from the Green Bay school of scouting, cannot get close to addressing an issue that has dogged this team for years?

Schneider, contrary to what his biggest detractors will say, is not a bad GM. Far from it. But he and the Seahawks on the whole — including scouts and coaches — have done a really bad job on the offensive line for too long. He needs to fix this immediately and it can’t be with the next Laken Tomlinson, B.J. Finney, Bradley Sowell, Brandon Shell or Cedric Obguehi. They can’t afford to spend a third round pick in 2025 on a guard who ends up being a third stringer. Solutions are required.

Meanwhile, let’s have an open and honest conversation about Charles Cross. He hasn’t played well all year. It’s been assumed by too many people that he is the one position that is sorted on the line. He is still not strong enough and the same issues we saw at Mississippi State are showing up in year three of his NFL career.

Cross has now given up the second most pressures in the league among offensive tackles, behind only New England’s struggling Demontrey Jacobs. He’s overtaken Jacobs to lead the NFL in hurries conceded. He’s given up five sacks in his last five games. He has not taken a step forward this season.

Let’s be clear though — this isn’t just an offensive line problem. It’s a big problem, obviously, one that has lingered for far too long. But it’s not the only problem.

This kind of performance takes a village:

The brilliant Brady Henderson wrote an article on Sunday discussing whether Ryan Grubb ‘was past his first-year growing pains’:

Over the first nine games, Seattle had the NFL’s second-lowest designed rush rate at 31.2%. Over the last four games, they’re 14th in that metric 39.9%. That timeframe has also coincided with a decrease in their shotgun percentage, a staple of college offenses that Grubb leaned heavily on out of the gates. The Seahawks have been in shotgun on 68.5% of their plays (19th) over the last four games, down from 80.8% (fourth) before the bye.

Here’s the problem. The Seahawks are a NFL franchise. The reason most teams don’t appoint coaches who’ve never worked in the NFL before is because there will be a steep learning curve. This isn’t NFL Europe where players and coaches get time to figure things out. It’s the elite level of the sport.

I understand why the Seahawks took a chance on Grubb. He was part of an exciting, attractive Washington team that made the most out of a top-10 pick at quarterback, the best offensive line in the NCAA last season and three NFL receivers (including another top-10 pick).

They didn’t have a great pool of candidates to pick from. They were late in the hiring cycle to speak to offensive coordinators. If it was going to come down to people like Chip Kelly, Eric Bieniemy, Grubb and Tanner Engstrand (who has never called plays in his career), there’s no obvious home-run appointment. They took a chance and fair play for that. I won’t criticise the decision.

However, the learning curve just seems too steep at this point. The Seahawks do not appear to have a consistent plan of action, they are clearly incapable of finding ways to make life a little bit easier for the struggling offensive line, they are not making the most of their weapons apart from Jaxson Smith-Njigba and their play-calling is confusing to the point of frustration.

Mookie Alexander breaks it down perfectly here:

Play-action passing was once again scarcely used. Grubb loves half-field reads with route concepts 10-15 yards down the field on 3rd and short, which is just asinine without safety valves to get the ball out quickly. He won’t commit to a run game even when there are signs of success. There was a stretch of 19 consecutive passes called from Geno’s final drive until the Zach Charbonnet touchdown. Seriously?

And there’s this from Griffin Sturgeon:

The camera often panned to Mike Macdonald during offensive drives last night looking confused by what he was seeing. That’s been a common sight.

I just don’t think this is working. I’m speculating but I don’t think Macdonald thinks it’s working either. I don’t think his vision and philosophy for the broader team is being established. It’s the NFL. You don’t get to practise being a coordinator. The Seahawks need someone, especially with a defensive-minded Head Coach, who doesn’t need a year or two to get into the groove — with no actual guarantee they’ll reach the promise land.

I appreciate this is hard. Ben Johnson’s don’t grow on trees. Candidates who were trendy a year ago, like Bobby Slowik, have not had great seasons. But increasingly this feels like the Seahawks attempted a three-pointer last off-season and it bounced off the rim. Maybe it’s time to find someone who can get an easy lay-up and just establish a level of competent, consistent offense?

Changes are inevitable to the staff as we’ve talked about before. Macdonald didn’t bring a bunch of guys with him. This was a team of strangers thrown together. Adjustments will be made in the off-season, it’s just a question of who stays, who goes and who comes in.

Finally, the Seahawks also need a proper plan at quarterback.

This isn’t some ‘Geno Smith is terrible’ argument or anything like that. He has always been a decent bridge to whatever was next post-Russell Wilson era. There are far worse quarterbacks starting in the NFL.

As we keep saying though, the Seahawks have a bridge quarterback without anything to actually bridge to. He isn’t the long-term option, despite the protestations of some online. He’ll be 35 next season.

Smith has good aspects of his game — including impressive physical qualities and an aggressive nature that serves him well. However, we can’t just ignore how bad he has been for two years in the red zone. He’s 22nd in the league for touchdowns (14) yet third in the league for interceptions (12). His QBR of 52.8 ranks 23rd and his quarterback rating of 89.9 ranks 19th.

The Seahawks shouldn’t just ‘get rid’ of Geno Smith for the sake of it and go with someone like Howell who, to put it bluntly, appears to have no long-term future in the league. They can’t just keep muddling along though, kicking the can down the road with Smith as the starter while not seriously addressing the longer-term future.

I think they have two options. Upgrade in the veteran market and/or draft someone to develop behind Smith so there’s actually a progression plan in place. At the moment it just feels like the Seahawks are going year-to-year with no actual direction to contention, in part because the quarterback position isn’t stable beyond the current season.

I don’t know for sure that Sam Darnold is superior to Smith but the reality is he has twice as many touchdowns this year having played a game fewer, despite being sacked the same amount of times going into week 15. His PFF grade, QBR and QB rating are superior and he’s seven years younger.

If he’s available on a Baker Mayfield type deal, they have to at least consider it — probably alongside promoting Jake Peetz to offensive coordinator to retain the McVay offense he is clearly comfortable in. If you fear Darnold is a product of Kevin O’Connell’s talent as a coach, rather than a product of simply no longer playing for the Jets or Panthers, this would at least provide some basis for hope that his success would transfer to Seattle.

It’s not a perfect plan but it’s a plan. The low year-one cap-hit would free up some money to spend on the offensive line. Of course, with this looking like a limited 2025 quarterback class, Darnold’s earning potential might go through the roof. He might be too expensive.

If he isn’t an option or if you’d simply prefer to roll with Smith, then selecting a quarterback in the fourth draft since the Wilson trade has to be a critical aim. Who though? It’s been announced today that Drew Allar is returning to Penn State next season. Who are you taking that could realistically be seen as a viable starter for the future?

I thought Allar and Garrett Nussmeier would appeal to Schneider but both are returning to college football. I’ve thought in the past that he’d be attracted to Quinn Ewers’ natural talent but that’s a harder sell now given the way he’s played in 2024.

As with the offensive line though, eventually you get to a point where you start to think, come on now. Is a fourth season of Geno Smith accompanied by Drew Lock or Sam Howell any different really that consistently failing to properly address the offensive line? If both areas really are impossible to rectify, should we just pause any excitement or ambition for the franchise indefinitely? Don’t they have to try different things? Speculate to accumulate a little? The perfect situation may never arrive.

For what it’s worth, I think they will make changes. To the staff. At quarterback. To the line. It’s just a question of how it looks. I wouldn’t be shocked if we see Peetz at OC, Darnold at QB and high picks used on the offensive line. I don’t anticipate mere tweaks. Not after experiencing nights like last night. Not after the Seahawks showed they were willing to make the big call by firing Carroll.

I hope I’m right, too. The franchise needs another jolt. Mike Macdonald has got the defense playing at a competitive level, even if it’s not the finished product. This off-season, an aggressive approach to the offense is needed — including moves on the offensive line, coaching staff and at quarterback.

Instant reaction: Seahawks embarrass themselves, chuck ice water on season vs Green Bay

For the first time in ages, it felt like Seahawks fans were ready and energised for a big game.

The Packers on Prime Time. A chance to get a statement win. Anticipation had been building all week. Sunday dragged, waiting for kick-off.

Then it began. And in the first half the Seahawks had no energy, no juice, no intensity, no physical or schematic answers and were pushed around at home, again.

Matt LaFleur was asked at half-time , “What’s working?”

His reply? “Everything.”

What a let down. You come away from a game like this realising that the Seahawks are still a long way away. It’s impossible to dream about future Championship glory after that. All you can think about is how easy you are to play against for good teams.

The defense offered no resistance early on and although they somewhat righted the ship as the game went on, the defensive backs were a mess — giving up big plays, constantly letting receivers get in behind and making mistakes. Nobody was more guilty of this than Riq Woolen, who had the kind of sloppy, disastrous performance that makes you realise that for all of his physical talent, he’s always one game away from being a liability.

The offensive line was moved too easily. When will we get a serious discussion about Charles Cross not actually playing well for most of the season? Sataoa Laumea struggled. Olu Oluwatimi went off injured. Laken Tomlinson was Laken Tomlinson. Rinse and repeat. Multiple new starters are needed. Faith that they’ll address this sufficiently has never been lower. I guess at least Jalen Sundell was OK.

Geno Smith started off by absorbing sacks on third down. Whether it’s awareness and feel or Ryan Grubb’s play-calling — you should never have the quarterback holding the ball in the pocket on 3rd and 2. Of course, it doesn’t help on 2nd and short when AJ Barner couldn’t even be bothered to cut across and block the edge.

Then more red zone woes. Smith nearly threw a pick with 3:07 in the second quarter. On the very next play, he did throw a pick. Both throws were awful. Per Brady Henderson and ESPN Research, that was Smith’s fourth interception of the season on a throw into the end zone, tied with Jameis Winston for most in the NFL.

He picked up a knee injury in the second half, giving us a chance to witness a terrible Sam Howell cameo.

The Seahawks need to build an O-line. The Seahawks need to find a true difference maker at quarterback who can elevate on days when other things don’t work (including the O-line). Neither of these holes are easy to fill but fill them they, somehow, must.

Then there’s the homefield disadvantage, with the Seahawks falling to 3-5 for the season at Lumen Field amid a backdrop of loud ‘Go Pack Go’ chants. The worst thing is, they don’t just lose at home. They get humiliated. The Giants, 49ers, Bills and now Packers have embarrassed the Seahawks in their own backyard. Or they embarrassed themselves. Either way, nothing disillusions you more about this franchise than watching the home team get their backsides handed to them regularly at home with loads of away fans roaring the opponent on.

The franchise really needs to sort out a proper ticket exchange for fans wishing to sell their seats to other home fans, rather than away supporters. Yet it’s also on the team to play far better. Ownership and the people running the franchise have to take a 16-17 home record since fans returned from the Covid lockdown seriously. Something isn’t right.

A performance like this kills any energy for the season. Does anyone really care to see a repeat of this in the playoffs? Does anyone even expect the Seahawks to make the post-season on this evidence?

It felt like we were watching the end of the Pete Carroll era again. This felt as demoralising as the Steelers game last year. How many more times are we going to have to say that?

A third consecutive 9-8 season seems likely. That is what the Seahawks are. How many more years of 9-8 is necessary before they actually, you know, get better?

Curtis Allen’s week fifteen watch notes (vs Green Bay)

This is a guest post by Curtis Allen

The crucible of the fourth quarter has arrived and the Seahawks could not be better positioned to make the most of it at 8-5 with a division lead.

A four-game winning streak fueled by the defense we dreamed of when Pete Carroll was fired and Mike Macdonald was hired has supercharged the optimism in this team.

Now comes their toughest test yet: The Green Bay Packers at 9-4 are playing an extremely effective brand of football. They are 8-1 outside their division, their only loss coming in Brazil against the Eagles to open the season.

The Packers continue to be one of the NFL’s best teams at big-ticket free agent spending, with Josh Jacobs leading a great rushing attack and Xavier McKinney leading the NFL with seven interceptions and adding a sack for good measure.

The good news is Green Bay has not won in Seattle since 2008. Charlie Frye was the Seahawks’ quarterback for that one, Olindo Mare was their kicker and Mike Holmgren’s coaching career was winding down. The Packers are 0-4 since.

How can the Seahawks make it 5 in a row?

Win the First Downs and the First Quarter

This is a tall order. The Packers are the NFL’s #4 offense in First Quarter scoring and the #2 defense. How are they that good? Control.

Their offense has run 210 plays in the opening quarter so far this season. The defense has faced only 138. They are running the ball and keeping it out of their opponents’ hands. It is by far their best quarter in rushing, as they are gaining an impressive 5.5 yards per carry and have 38 rushing first downs.

On first downs? Overall, the Packers are gaining 5.91 yards per play – far better than the league average of 5.51. Their running game is at its best on first downs as well.

This allows them to in effect set the game script. In their current 3-1 stretch, Jordan Love has not had to throw the ball 30 times in a game. He is throwing for 67% completions, has six touchdowns against only one interception and has only been sacked four times. When they get their running game fired up, 8–9-minute drives are normal. The defense is rested, Love just has to keep the game under control and their margin of victory goes way up.

The Lions disrupted the script last week by only allowing Josh Jacobs to touch the ball three times in the first quarter. They took a lead and the Packers tied it in the second quarter with a Jacobs-heavy drive where he had eight touches.

Indeed, the Packers’ four losses were among Jacobs’ lowest utilized games. Jacobs must be contained as a runner. Where does Jacobs run? Between the tackles. I don’t think I need to remind Seahawks fans what happens when Jacobs is allowed to run up the middle.

This might be where the game is won or lost. Right up front, in the trenches. It will be a lunchpail kind of day that requires sound play. Jacobs is right behind Derrick Henry with 26 broken tackles already this season. His best attribute might be fighting through contact.

The Seahawks’ front lines are linebackers are gaining accolades and confidence by the week. Leonard Williams is leading the way, but Byron Murphy is doing the dirty work and Ernest Jones and Tyrice Knight are beneficiaries of being kept clean.

An X-factor for this game: Uchenna Nwosu has always been one of the defense’s best at stopping the run. He had a warmup game last week. If he is ready for more and can play to his former standard, he could have a profound impact on this one.

If they can put more of the game in Jordan Love’s hands, they will be more effective. Love has struggled when blitzed or pressured this season. The defense may not create a game-changing play, but taking the offense out of its rhythm and comfort zone goes a long, long way towards winning the game.

Attack the Middle of the Field on Offense

This is a profound weakness for the Packer defense:

Their linebackers and safeties are not great in coverage. Jaire Alexander is out for the game.

The Seahawks need to exploit this weakness liberally. Jaxon Smith-Njigba and D.K. Metcalf need to be running crossing routes all day long. Noah Fant needs a liberal amount of targets.

How do the Seahawks keep Geno Smith clean? Two ways. Just like last week, getting him routes and checkdowns that help him make quick-thinking decisions goes a long way. When the Seahawks make the game easier for him, he is far more effective.

The second is understanding that the Packer pass rush is not invincible. They are among the league’s lower blitzing teams, and are not winning much in their standard sets. If the Seahawks can get these quick passes out, it can lull the defense to sleep a little and set the stage for some properly timed deep shots.

What about the running game?

Same area of the field. Attack the middle.

Have a look at David Montgomery’s run chart from the Lions’ victory in Week Nine:

That is a whole lot of running right up the gut with toughness and grit.

If the Seahawks can capitalize on their newfound confidence in the running game (featuring some more of those great Sataoa Lumea pulling plays to deliver a spring block for Zach Charbonnet and Kenny McIntosh), the Seahawks can flip the script and play the game on their terms rather than chasing the Packers.

My first 2025 NFL mock draft

Round one

#1 Las Vegas — Shedeur Sanders (QB, Colorado)
Tom Telesco has always been a ‘best player available’ GM. For that reason, he might stick to his guns and select Mason Graham or Travis Hunter and target someone like Sam Darnold at quarterback instead. However, he could be mandated to take a quarterback here. Deion Sanders will have a big say and he and his son are said to have spent considerable time studying Tom Brady, now part-owner of the Raiders, in preparation for his NFL career. I’m not sure Shedeur warrants the #1 pick but I can imagine an arrangement where ‘Coach Prime’ and Brady work to create an environment which would satisfy all parties.

#2 NY Giants — Travis Hunter (WR/CB, Colorado)
The Giants don’t force a quarterback here because nobody warrants the pick and instead they sign Sam Darnold to a three-year contract. They look to combine a Baker Mayfield-style addition with a younger QB later on. That enables them to go for Hunter, who can be developed as a receiver or cornerback.

#3 New England — Mason Graham (DT, Michigan)
For me he’s the pound-for-pound best player in the draft.

#4 Carolina — Abdul Carter (DE/LB, Penn State)
He’s had a great year and teams will wonder if he can emulate another former Penn State star in Micah Parsons.

#5 Jacksonville — Will Johnson (CB, Michigan)
He’s had an injury plagued season but Johnson plays a premium position, he’s exceptionally talented and supposedly has top marks for character.

#6 Tennessee — Luther Burden (WR, Missouri)
Although he’s not been utilised fully in Mizzou’s offense, Burden has incredible talent and was said to be extremely highly rated by NFL teams over the summer.

#7 NY Jets — Tetairoa McMillan (WR, Arizona)
McMillan’s admitted he probably won’t test as well as some might think but he just shows so much natural skill on tape.

#8 Cleveland — Ashton Jeanty (RB, Boise State)
At some point early in round one, someone will select Jeanty. He’s too good.

#9 Chicago — Josh Simmons (T, Ohio State)
The best pure left tackle eligible for the draft. If the Bears want Caleb Williams to be a success it starts with crafting a better offensive line.

#10 New Orleans — Jalon Walker (LB, Georgia)
Walker has been the most impactful and consistent player on Georgia’s defense.

#11 Cincinnati — Colton Loveland (TE, Michigan)
Loveland was a victim of Michigan not having a passing game in 2024 but he has every chance to be a star tight end in the NFL, especially playing with Joe Burrow.

#12 Dallas — Jihaad Campbell (LB, Alabama)
Eric Kendricks has been a liability this year. Campbell has played like a tank all season for Alabama and has outstanding upside.

#13 Miami — Kelvin Banks (T/G, Texas)
There are certain teams who will be under pressure to invest in their offensive lines in 2025. The Dolphins are very much one of those teams.

#14 Indianapolis — Tyler Warren (TE, Penn State)
He’s just been so dynamic this year and there’s little reason to think he can’t replicate a feature role in the NFL.

#15 Atlanta — James Pearce (EDGE, Tennessee)
He hasn’t had the big sack numbers and there are questions about his ability to set the edge but his pass-rush win percentage (23%) is second only to Michigan’s Josaiah Stewart (24.6%) and is just ahead of Abdul Carter’s (21.2%).

#16 Arizona — Mykel Williams (DE, Georgia)
Physically he looks the part but he’s only played in fits and starts this year. The Cardinals need impact players up front.

#17 San Francisco — Tyler Booker (G, Alabama)
The 49ers have to fix their offensive line, it’s as simple as that.

#18 LA Rams — Jahdae Barron (CB, Texas)
Barron has had a brilliant season and can be used as a chess piece across the secondary.

#19 Tampa Bay — Malaki Starks (S, Georgia)
He’s had an underwhelming second half of the season but the talent’s there.

#20 Washington — Josh Connerly (T/G, Oregon)
Just a brilliant football player with rare athleticism and aggression.

#21 LA Chargers — Shemar Stewart (DE, Texas A&M)
Jim Harbaugh once took a chance on the raw potential of Aldon Smith and he might do the same with Stewart here.

#22 Denver — TJ Sanders (DT, South Carolina)
Sanders has shown he can take over games, including against quality opponents in the SEC. His 13.2% pass-rush win percentage is similar to Mason Graham’s (13.1%).

#23 Seattle — Drew Allar (QB, Penn State)
Eventually John Schneider will invest in a quarterback. Allar’s traits match what he’s looked for in the past. He’s far from the finished article but he’s the exact same height and weight as Josh Allen, has plus athleticism and a big arm. The Seahawks renew Geno Smith’s contract on a compromise deal to suit both parties and select their bridge to the future in a range where they know they can get him. More on Seattle’s picks at the end of the mock.

#24 Baltimore — Jonah Savaiinaea (T/G, Arizona)
I think he’s a right guard because he gives up too many pressures at right tackle. When he’s squared-up he can win with power. However, the Ravens were willing to start Daniel Faalele at right tackle, so they might try Savaiinaea there first.

#25 Houston — Donovan Jackson (G, Ohio State)
The Texans are virtually obliged to add to their offensive line after a horror year for C.J. Stroud. Jackson is a great athlete, the opposite of Houston’s former first round bust Kenyon Green.

#26 Green Bay — Mike Green (EDGE, Marshall)
His production this year has been really impressive with 17 sacks and a 20.3% pass-rush win percentage.

#27 Pittsburgh — Nick Emmanwori (S, South Carolina)
The Steelers like big, physical, highly athletic players. Emmanwori can be their version of Kyle Hamilton.

#28 Minnesota — Walter Nolen (DT, Ole Miss)
He took over games at times (see: Florida) but in other contests you wanted to see more from him. Finished with six sacks.

#29 Buffalo — Princely Umanmielen (DE, Ole Miss)
When he wants to be, Umanmielen can be really good. His motor runs hot and cold but the talent is there. He had 11 sacks and a 20.6% pass-rush win percentage this season.

#30 Philadelphia — Will Campbell (T/G, LSU)
He’s a very good athlete but all this talk of the top-10 doesn’t chime with the tape. He can be passive, he lacks aggression and he’s been beaten way too often off the edge. He has short arms and will likely have to kick inside.

#31 Kansas City — Grey Zabel (T, North Dakota State)
One of my favourite players in the draft. Just brilliant fun to watch and I think he has a very bright future.

#32 Cleveland (v/DET) — Cam Ward (QB, Miami)
Ward has had a very good season and elevated his stock — but not qualifying for the playoffs robbed him of a serious test having faced a soft ACC schedule in 2024. It’s hard to imagine he elevated his stock from day three to top-five but a team will potentially take him in the top-45. I have the Browns trading up to take him late in round one in a deal with the Lions.

Round two

#33 Las Vegas — Emeka Egbuka (WR, Ohio State)
A reliable target for Shedeur.

#34 NY Giants — Kaleb Johnson (RB, Iowa)
Johnson has star potential.

#35 Jacksonville — Kenneth Grant (DT, Michigan)
People keep saying he’ll go in the top-20 but I didn’t see that on tape.

#36 New England — Aireontae Ersery (T/G, Minnesota)
I think he’s too sluggish with his footwork to stick at left tackle but the options aren’t great if you want to improve at the position.

#37 NY Jets — Harold Fannin Jr. (TE, Bowling Green)
He could be a X-factor weapon in the NFL.

#38 Tennessee — Nic Scourton (DE, Texas A&M)
Players like Scourton — bigger defensive ends — always get mocked in round one. Then like AJ Epenesa and Boogie Basham, they go in round two.

#39 Detroit (v/CLE) — Josaiah Stewart (EDGE, Michigan)
He had a great season, wrecked the USC game and led the NCAA for pass-rush win percentage. Testing will be key for Stewart.

#40 Chicago (v/CAR) — Benjamin Morrison (CB, Notre Dame)
He would’ve gone in round one without the injury.

#41 New Orleans — Xavier Restrepo (WR,Miami)
There’s just something about Restrepo which makes me think he’ll go earlier than people are projecting.

#42 Chicago — Jared Ivey (DE, Ole Miss)
Ivey showed flashes this year, particularly against Georgia, to think he can be an effective NFL rusher.

#43 Cincinnati — Shavon Revel (CB, East Carolina)
Another player who would’ve been a first round pick but for his injury.

#44 Dallas — Deone Walker (DT, Kentucky)
He’s aggressive and tough but doesn’t have a typical body type.

#45 San Francisco — Quinn Ewers (QB, Texas)
I’m not convinced the 49ers are going to pay Brock Purdy a massive contract. Thus, they might add Ewers as insurance and just let 2025 play out. Ewers could be a good fit for Kyle Shanahan.

#46 Miami — Kevin Winston Jr (S, Penn State)
Injury robbed him of an opportunity to go earlier than this.

#47 Indianapolis — Mansoor Delane (CB, Virginia Tech)
He has the traits needed to be a starting NFL corner.

#48 Carolina (v/LAR) — Tyleik Williams (DT, Ohio State)
Williams is a terrific run defender and has played well for two seasons.

#49 Arizona — Xavier Scott (CB, Illinois)
He’s such a sparky playmaker. I really enjoyed watching him.

#50 Tampa Bay — Donovan Ezeiruaku (EDGE, Boston College)
Ezeiruaku has been consistently good this season rushing the edge.

#51 Atlanta — Jordan Burch (DE, Oregon)
He’s very athletic for his size and he’s had a productive year for the Ducks. It feels like there’s more to come from Burch.

#52 Seattle — Dylan Fairchild (G, Georgia)
He’s a former two-time Georgia state heavyweight wrestling champion. The Seahawks will like that.

#53 Houston — Jake Majors (C, Texas)
The Texans continue to rebuild their offensive line with the brilliant Majors.

#54 Denver — Mason Taylor (TE, LSU)
This would be a bargain for the Broncos. Taylor is incredibly talented with great bloodlines.

#55 Baltimore — Billy Bowman (S, Oklahoma)
Bowman plays like a Raven.

#56 Washington — Carson Schwesinger (LB, UCLA)
He’s had a brilliant season. Bobby Wagner won’t be able to play forever.

#57 LA Chargers — Ty Robinson (DT, Nebraska)
If there’s a Jim Harbaugh type of defensive lineman in this draft, it’s this guy.

#58 Green Bay — Jack Nelson (T/G, Wisconsin)
The Packers always seem to take offensive linemen I like.

#59 Pittsburgh — Devin Neal (RB, Kansas)
If Najee Harris moves on, Neal would be a great replacement.

#60 Buffalo — Xavier Watts (S, Notre Dame)
A productive, consistent safety with a great attitude.

#61 Buffalo (v/MIN) — Danny Stutsman (LB, Oklahoma)
As with Watts, a very consistent, hard-nosed linebacker who fits the Bills.

#62 Philadelphia — Derrick Harmon (DE, Oregon)
I’m not seeing why people have him in round one but he’s a viable day-two option in this draft.

#63 Kansas City — DJ Giddens (RB, Kansas State)
He reminds me of a less explosive Alvin Kamara.

#64 Detroit — Chris Paul Jr (LB, Ole Miss)
He has the demeanour and playing style of a Lions’ defender.

Further thoughts on the Seahawks picks

I’ve long thought Tyler Booker would be an ideal, almost obvious pick for the Seahawks in round one. They need someone who they can plug in at left guard and reliably start at a decent level quickly. Booker’s personality, attitude and playing style all chime perfectly with what the Seahawks have been targeting in recent drafts. He’s a reliable leader committed to football.

However, there is a scenario where they keep winning and Booker is taken before they select. Plug-in-and-play linemen are in high demand. If he’s off the board, there will be appealing alternatives. I have four offensive linemen coming off the board between Seattle’s pick at #23 and the end of the first round. However, by this point they have to weigh up the difference in talent between the likes of Donovan Jackson (another player with a lot of experience at left guard) and Dylan Fairchild in round two. I don’t think there’s a big gap.

Am I convinced Drew Allar is going to go in round one? Not at all. The college football playoffs will impact his stock more than most players. Am I totally sold on the Seahawks wanting to draft him? Again, no.

I’m pitching a theory that, at least in my opinion, makes some sense. I’ve discussed this in other articles but I’ll do a quick recap here:

— I firmly believe John Schneider has been itching to draft a quarterback since trading Russell Wilson and simply hasn’t been in a position to select one he likes. He has been justified in passing so far, given the Seahawks have not whiffed on any success stories at quarterback since 2022 apart from the improbable rise of Brock Purdy, working with Kyle Shanahan.

— The Seahawks have had a good bridge quarterback in Geno Smith for three seasons but are running out of time to draft the player to actually bridge to. Smith has one year left on his contract and turns 35 next year. A small extension which increases Smith’s earnings, while giving the Seahawks an annual ‘out’ and lowering his 2025 cap-hit, makes sense.

— I think Schneider will feel he needs to act sooner rather than later and will likely add someone he believes can be developed with the difference making traits he covets. Allar’s height (6-5) and weight (238lbs) are virtually identical to Josh Allen’s measurements at his combine. Allen was far from the finished product at Wyoming and that’s the case for Allar too. I’ve gone into detail about wanting to see him take more chances downfield, elevate Penn State to a big win, clean up his technique and find a way to look less awkward on the move. However, it also needs to be recognised that he’s made major progress this year having looked mostly undraftable a year ago. He’s shown flashes of creative brilliance, including against Oregon last week. He does have a NFL arm, outstanding size and some enticing traits. He is typically the kind of quarterback we’ve seen drafted between #15-#55 in the past.

— This is not a draft class loaded with legit first round players. The chances are the Seahawks, if they make the playoffs, will be drafting a player in round one who carries a day-two grade. Thus, they might not see drafting Allar in round one as problematic within this specific class. They may also feel that it’s a ‘now or never’ scenario, with the possibility Allar doesn’t make it to their pick in round two.

— The situation could be compared to the Packers drafting Jordan Love with the #26 pick in 2020. Love wasn’t ready to start and was drafted as the heir apparent to Aaron Rodgers. He was given quite some time before starting and that has paid off for Green Bay.

— Like virtually everyone else, I think the Seahawks have to make a big effort to improve the offensive line. I don’t think that has to mean with a first round pick, though. There are good options on day two. The talent difference between Booker at #19 and Jake Majors at #60 is not massive. Therefore, I think the Seahawks can take a chance on Allar if they believe in him. I’d also like to see resources spent on proven veteran linemen prior to the draft, for example center Ryan Kelly or if they want to go younger, I still believe Green Bay center Josh Myers would be worth bringing in for his toughness and leadership. I’d kick the tires on Brandon Scherff, James Daniels, Austin Corbett, Kevin Zeitler, Ben Cleveland and Will Hernandez (health permitting). Isaac Seumalo is a potential cap-casualty I’d be interested in, likewise Trey Pipkins. I don’t think the Seahawks can rely on drafting their way to an improved line in the first two rounds — a veteran presence is also required.

— Dylan Fairchild is more than capable of competing to start for the Seahawks at left guard. He’s a tremendous athlete with a wrestling background — something Seattle has valued in the past. He’s well sized, a good athlete and is expected to produce strong testing results.

The point of these mocks is to talk through scenarios, possibilities and discuss what John Schneider might do. Presenting you with the same mock everyone else is delivering would be fairly pointless. I’m not trying to predict the future with these — I’m trying to bring options to the table that seem somewhat viable.

I don’t think this mock is totally unrealistic for the Seahawks.

I’ve tried to match-up team needs and value across the two rounds as much as possible. Apologies to fans of other teams if you think I’ve made a mistake.

If you want to see how I’m grading the draft currently, based on the players I’ve had a chance to study, check out my latest horizontal board by clicking here.

Curtis Allen’s third quarter report card for the Seahawks

This is a guest article written by Curtis Allen

Record: 4-0

Thoughts

What a turnaround.  A 1-4 second quarter that ended with a thud in an overtime loss against the Rams that they should have won, followed by a bye week of reflection.

I don’t think any of us could have predicted what followed.  Beating their nemesis in San Francisco and sandwiching a sweep of a hot Cardinals team around a comeback against the Jets in one of the most bizarre games of the NFL season.

The Seahawks are not the finished article.  Far from it.  Yet fan optimism and faith has been rewarded heavily with a major turnaround on defense and a suddenly competent offense.

MVP

1. Leonard Williams

How could it not be the Big Cat for his performance this quarter?

Two solid games sandwiched around two incredible, Defensive Player of the Year-type games.

He harassed the quarterback (4.5 sacks, six pressures, three passes defensed).

He tackled ball carriers (eight tackles for loss and 21 tackles in this quarter alone!).

He blocked a PAT attempt.

And he might have completely turned the Seahawks’ season around with this pick-six:

Men that big and that strong are not supposed to also be blessed with the hands to snare passes and the feet to run like a sprinter.

The Seahawks have spent a lot of capital to acquire him (draft picks, cap space) and put complementary pieces around him (Dre’Mont Jones, Byron Murphy, Roy Robertson-Harris).  He is rewarding all of that investment handsomely.

2. Jaxon Smith-Njigba

JSN had a four-game stretch that rivals any great Wide Receiver in Seahawks history:

— 25 catches on 27 targets for 343 yards

— 17 first downs for a 68% rate per catch / 63% rate per target (both league top-five)

— Two touchdowns

— Zero drops

None of those first down catches were cheap.

Putting your slot corner on him does not work.

The Seahawks have a star on their hands. Ryan Grubb has a weapon he can deploy all over the field.

3. Ernest Jones

The Seahawks have found the linchpin of their defense.

The run defense has stabilized since Jones arrived.  Tyrice Knight has started to shine.

Jones had a terrific interception against the Cardinals.

His best feature might be this. Before Ernest Jones?  Free Safety Julian Love was averaging 7.85 tackles per game.  Strong Safety Coby Bryant in his first real starting role against the Falcons had 11 tackles.

After Ernest Jones?  Love is at 5.67 per game.  Bryant has never had more than six tackles in a game.

Jones is complementing the defensive line in keeping the back of the defense clean and enabling the safeties to roam a bit and cover for their teammates.

The scary part?  The Seahawks have yet to try using Jones as a blitzer.  Which we know he can do.

Rookie Of the Quarter

1. Tyrice Knight

— 35 tackles and two tackles for loss

— Two pressures, a sack and a QB knockdown on six blitzes

— A fumble recovery

Where the ball is, Tyrice Knight is not far behind.  He engages with his assignment but always keeps his eyes up for the ball carrier.

Four of his six career starts were this quarter.  He is still learning but he is doing it on the field while playing at a better level than the two veteran linebackers the Seahawks parted abruptly parted ways with this season.

2. Sataoa Laumea

It might be a bit too early to say the Seahawks have found their Right Guard of the future.

But just the fact fans are thinking that after the dreadful play of Anthony Bradford and the non-existent play of Christian Haynes is a huge benefit.

Laumea has had key blocks in two of Zach Charbonnet’s touchdown runs this quarter.

He has made mistakes to be sure but his play and potential is more than offsetting them.

3. A.J. Barner

Eight catches on eleven targets, three first downs, one touchdown, a key block on a Charbonnet touchdown run and one fool trucked.

Honorable Mention:  Byron Murphy is not flashing all through the game but is excelling at the dirty work that every team needs players to do to be a productive defense.  A ‘quieter’ rookie season followed by a full off-season of work and training is perfectly acceptable.

Successes

This quarter’s successes distinctly match the goals we talked about in our second quarter report card.

1. Put Together Back-to-Back Solid Efforts

Check.

The San Francisco game and the Arizona game featured closed-circle football.

The defense in the Niners game kept Christian McCaffrey from running wild.  They even bailed out Geno Smith for an interception in their own zone, holding the Niners to a field goal.  They then stuffed McCaffrey twice and forced two incompletions to give the ball back to the offense with enough time to mount a game-winning drive by Smith that was masterful.

The Arizona game was a brilliant defensive display.  The run-heavy Cardinals were kept in check and the pass rush savvy of Devon Witherspoon forced Kyler Murray into a Pick-six by Coby Bryant.

2. Figure Out a Way to Improve the Offensive Line

Check.

Abe Lucas has stabilized the Right Tackle position.  He had a terrific first game back against San Francisco, and has since been slightly uneven at times.  But he has not had a physical relapse, and has brought the tough spirit wes all know he has back to the offense and jailbreaks from that side of the field are far less regular.

Sataoa Lumea has been excellent at Right Guard.  As we said above, the position is not solved.  But he has excelled at what the Seahawks have asked him to do and in two games has produced highlight-worthy blocks that his teammates at the position have not.

Make no mistake, the line still needs significant work this offseason.  But for this quarter, the Seahawks have made as much progress as they possibly can.

3. Win A Division Game

Check, check and check.

The Seahawks got the Niners monkey off their backs and swept the Cardinals.  They exit the quarter at the top of the division.   

Challenges

1. The Special Teams Nightmare in New York

So, that happened.

The most head-scratching part of this particular challenge?  Most of it was preventable.  Dee Williams had shown that he has trouble as a returner, both in gauging the defenders coming at him and holding on to the ball.

The Jets’ kick return touchdown was by a practice squad player and the Seahawk defenders had chances to tackle him.

The Seahawks had an extra point attempt blocked.

Thank goodness for Leonard Williams and his Pick-six.  This disastrous performance can now be relegated to the ‘character-building chapter’ in the book of the Seahawks’ 2024 season.

2. Execution Issues on Offense

Short yardage challenges reared their ugly head once again.  Geno Smith making questionable decisions and being *just slightly* inaccurate under pressure came up again.

In the first Arizona game, the offense only managed ten points.  This after the defense forced six punts and delivered a pick-six.

The Seahawks won the Jets game on a 71-yard drive in which the Jets committed 46 yards of penalties, with two of them coming on fourth down.  They tried shooting themselves in the foot, but the Jets would not let them lose this game.

I know four straight wins after the previous quarter is fantastic and nothing to complain about.  But the defense’s dominance should have led the way to blowouts instead of somewhat comfortable wins.  The offense still has progress to make.

That’s it.  There is no third challenge.

Fourth Quarter Games

Green Bay (SNF)

Minnesota

@ Chicago

@ LA Rams

Goals for Fourth Quarter

1. Stay On Their Current Trajectory

The Seahawks have rounded into form.  The win in Arizona demonstrated what they can do with a complete effort from all three phases that are mostly error-free.

The competition is going to ramp up with games against three playoff hopefuls in the Packers, Vikings and Rams and a Bears team with nothing to lose.

Four wins seals the division crown and that would be a fantastic accomplishment.

This stretch should be about continuing their growth as a team though.  That is a far more important long-term goal.  They have made great strides on defense and the running game has suddenly come to life and been complemented by a very sharp quick-passing offense.  Special Teams did not have any major blunders on Sunday.

It is easy to say all problems have been fixed from here on out.  Harder to actually execute that.  Particularly in the crucible of the home stretch, where the weather will likely be cold and rainy in three of the four game locations, and the running game and execution on Special Teams will be ever more critical.

A backslide is very possible.

We have found out a lot about this team.  This quarter’s discovery is this — they can beat up a banged up Niner team.  They can beat a good but undermanned Arizona team.  Twice.

Can they expand their vision to beat the Packers, with top runner Josh Jacobs?  Or the Vikings with their fantastic pass rush and a suddenly hot Sam Darnold?  They got the Niner monkey off their backs, can they get the Rams one off too?

We will see.

One very specific thing that will go a long way towards success…

2. Win the Turnover Battle

This has been a challenge all season.  The Seahawks went +2 this quarter which has them at -4 on the season.

All four of their opponents this quarter are in plus territory for the season AND for their last four games.  In this one area, they have been far better than the Seahawks.

Geno Smith has not thrown an interception in the last two games, the only two-game stretch he has gone without one.  That streak needs to continue.

The defense needs to continue creating turnovers.  An aggressive, attacking pass rush and strong-punching tacklers like Ernest Jones, Tyrice Knight and Devon Witherspoon matched with ballhawks Coby Bryant and Riq Woolen can turn just about any game in the Seahawks’ favor.

And the bonus factor here:  The defense and the offense must support each other post-turnover.  The defense needs to hold fast and turn almost-sure touchdowns into field goals.  The offense must punish the opposing offense for their lack of ball control by turning prime opportunities into touchdowns and not settling for field goals.

3. Tap Into the Team’s Depth of Underused Players

Can they find a mix of reps for Zach Charbonnet and Kenneth Walker that can be productive for both players?  This year’s inability (or unwillingness) to run has not given us a proper platform for this discussion.  Charbonnet sure looked like a lead horse against the Cardinals.  Does the team need to settle on a “Zach gets x reps and Walker gets y reps” plan or can they manage their depth to exploit both players’ talents?  Walker is a very underrated route runner.  How about a series with both on the field, which has Charbonnet as the lead back and Walker motioning out to reveal the defense?

Noah Fant is not far behind his career-worst pace of 2023 and has not scored a touchdown in almost two years.  He has only been targeted more than four times in two games this season.  Fant is a definite talent whom the Seahawks should be able to find some plays for.

We talked above about Ernest Jones not yet being used as a blitzer.

They badly need Uchenna Nwosu to make an impact in this quarter.  Boye Mafe and Derick Hall have contributed lately, but not at the statistical level they were earlier this season.  A run-stopper with real pass rush talent at OLB may be just the chess piece this defense needs to ascend even further.

D.K. Metcalf has only three touchdown catches this season.  Can a recently stable offensive line give Geno Smith enough time to find him downfield?  A couple well-timed deep touchdown throws can turn any game on its ear and shift playoff seedings and fortunes the Seahawks’ way.

Jake Bobo.  Cody White.  Chris McIntosh.

The offense has depth and talent.  Pulling out some of the plays they have worked on for these players at key moments may prove fruitful.

The big offensive topics: Would the Seahawks draft Drew Allar, why coaching changes might be inevitable, Sam Darnold vs Geno Smith & more

Would the Seahawks draft Drew Allar?

Last week I said that Allar was my main focus during the college football Championship weekend. Like most people, I came away impressed.

Penn State has this knack of playing within itself. Despite having a big-armed quarterback, two dynamic running backs, the most prolific weapon at tight end in the NCAA and former highly recruited receivers, they constantly leave you wanting more.

That’s also been the case with Allar’s performances. He’s been far less erratic in 2024 and has improved. Based on 2023 tape he was undraftable. This year, he’s been better without justifying some of the lofty ‘early round draft pick’ talk.

Against Oregon I thought he took things up a notch. The Ducks were ready to run away with the game and Penn State’s offense kept them in it. Allar wasn’t flawless but he did two noteworthy things. Firstly, there was a noticeable zip to his passes, showing off a pro-level arm combined with an attack-minded approach. Secondly, he created out of structure to deliver big plays.

You’ve all seen this by now but it’s pretty impressive:

His first touchdown pass is also worth seeing. Granted, he’s well protected and who knows what the safety’s doing in coverage. He does make this 30-yard throw look fairly routine though:

He also had a couple of layered throws over the middle into tight windows. There aren’t any limitations in his throwing range. Allar gives you an opportunity to attack every blade of grass.

He still threw badly behind on his first interception. He still hasn’t had a big win or even a performance that elevates his team beyond expectations. Had he been able to drag Penn State to overtime, it would’ve been that moment. Instead when driving for a potential game-tying score, he simply threw another interception.

There are technical flaws that need fixing, especially when it comes to better footwork and base so he doesn’t have to throw ‘all arm’ as much.

Still, the point here is to weigh-up his potential and whether this big-armed, well-sized, athletic quarterback will interest a GM who seems to have a particular interest in big-armed, well-sized, athletic quarterbacks.

I do think John Schneider will have interest in Allar. Just as I thought earlier this year he probably would’ve taken Drake Maye if given his choice of the first round non-Caleb Williams quarterbacks. This is the type of player he tends to like. I’m not sure yet what round I think he’d be willing to take him — but I do think there could be some interest and it could be early.

It’s probably best to be open minded about it. Like everyone else, I think a big focus on the offensive line is needed. Eventually though, the Seahawks need to identify and draft a quarterback. They’ve had an ideal bridge setup for the last three seasons without the quarterback to bridge to.

While previous Schneider favourites like Russell Wilson and Patrick Mahomes had highly productive, long college careers — he also fell for the intriguing physical potential of Josh Allen. If you remember, Allen’s time at Wyoming was a bit all over the place. He threw 21 interceptions in his final two seasons. Like Allar, he was only a two-year starter. I remember being massively sceptical about him as a prospect based on tape because he made way too many bad mistakes.

Then he went to the Senior Bowl and looked and played like a factory made ideal quarterback. I was sold on his potential after that. Everything was perfect — size, arm talent, hand size, athleticism. He excelled in the game in Mobile. Then he had a spectacular pro-day, the best you’ll see. He was pretty much the perfect physical specimen and a monstrous talent.

Allar will do well to get close to this unrealistically high bar physically. He’s athletic but looks far more awkward on the move than Allen ever did. However, he’s listed at 6-5 and 238lbs. Allen, at his combine, was 6-5 and 237lbs.

It’s easy to forget but Allen was a meme for two years in the NFL. Some players, especially with exceptional physical tools, just need time.

What about other draft eligible quarterbacks?

I think Allar and Garrett Nussmeier are the two Schneider might have most interest in. Nussmeier gets a bad rap online. Unlike many, I’ve watched all of his games this season. I implore people to ignore the noise. His technical level is way beyond most college quarterbacks and this is after just one year as a starter. His gunslinger style, ability to deliver pro-level throws consistently and his plus moments in 2024 far outweigh the mistakes he’s made, many of which are correctable with experience.

If either or both declare, keep them in mind. I’ve long thought Schneider is itching to draft a quarterback, rather than avoid doing so. The right player simply hasn’t been there since they traded Russell Wilson. These two fit the bill, I suspect, for what he’s looking for.

We’ve spent a lot of time talking about Quinn Ewers too. I’d guess Schneider has been intrigued with Ewers’ natural talent for some time which is why he travelled to watch him live a few weeks ago.

While Ewers was getting hammered and blamed online for losing to Georgia on Saturday, it’s worth remembering their kicker missed two field goals, the O-line kept giving away penalties, the defense couldn’t stop Georgia’s offense with a bad backup quarterback and the receivers kept dropping passes. However, I think all of the concerns we’ve raised about Ewers in the past were evident in this game. It was the perfect example of who he is as a prospect.

There were some deep and layered passes that were absolutely superb in the first half. These are the passes to remind you why he was rated so highly during recruiting. Then there are the ugly moments. The interceptions that just look so basic and frustrating and avoidable. The lack of great mobility and elusiveness, in part because he’s so banged up all the time and has continuous injury problems. He’s not a big quarterback and seems ill-prepared to handle the hits. When games turn, he doesn’t seem able to elevate and lift his team.

Ewers combines a whip-like rapid release reminiscent of Aaron Rodgers — a big positive — with a level of indecisiveness in the pocket that eradicates that aspect of his game.

He came into the season viewed as an inconsistent yet naturally gifted player who needed to show greater consistency and an ability to stay healthy. He hasn’t achieved either. He’s not enhanced his stock in 2024. More of the same, if anything, has weakened his standing.

Someone will still take him on day two with the view of taking a chance on his natural talent. It could be Schneider. I think the moment has passed, though, where this would be a consideration with a high pick.

I think in the case of Allar and Nussemeier, Schneider might be more inclined to take a gamble early with the idea of bridging to the future.

Key offensive points for 2025

It’ll be an interesting off-season when it comes to the quarterback position and the offense for four reasons:

1. Is Ryan Grubb back for another season?
2. How do they fix the offensive line?
3. What do they do with Geno Smith?
4. Will they draft a quarterback?

On Ryan Grubb’s job

I think the online discourse on the future of Seattle’s offensive coordinator is wrong. It’s become a debate around ‘giving him time’ versus ‘he’s not good enough’. A question of ‘does he have the tools to succeed’ versus whether he should still be producing better results.

I think it’s much more about philosophy and fit.

Mike Macdonald didn’t bring a staff with him to Seattle. He didn’t have a bunch of coaching buddies to call upon, with years of history together. A whole new staff of strangers was assembled instead.

It’s inevitable within this environment that some people will fit and others won’t, for a variety of reasons. Changes will happen in the off-season whatever happens between now and their final game. That’s just what happens when you put people together with no prior working relationship. The Head Coach will have a better idea of what he wants for the long-term. The truth is a year ago he probably didn’t have as clear a picture as he does now.

Like a few others, I’ve wondered for weeks whether Grubb and Macdonald are a long-term match. It doesn’t mean Grubb is bad at his job. Just last week he discussed candidly the challenge of working with a different Head Coach after years of building a relationship with Kalen DeBoer. The fact that it was described as an experience rather than a roaring success felt interesting.

There have been a few examples where Macdonald’s answers at press conferences about the offensive struggles, choices and planning have been quite pointed. The Head Coach and offensive coordinator, when asked similar philosophical questions, have sometimes given very different answers. This was particularly interesting when they were both asked about whether you need to commit to the run in order to establish it. Macdonald offered an unwavering ‘yes’, Grubb’s answer was broader and nowhere near as emphatic.

While the offensive line has been a clear problem, I wonder whether Macdonald’s preferred solution might differ from Grubb’s. I think there’s definitely sufficient evidence within Macdonald’s various interviews to doubt whether a shotgun-heavy and ‘throw the ball a lot more’ approach is what he wants. I’m also not sure he’ll be content with the way they’ve handled short-yardage situations and the red zone — areas where you should still find a base-level of success even with a poor offensive line.

The Arizona game was a step in the right direction and hopefully the start of major offensive progress. If they finish the year brilliantly, I reserve the right to adjust my view on this. However, for me this isn’t about judging Grubb’s position based on week-to-week performances. It’s all about fit. There’s just been enough there in the way Macdonald has bristled slightly about the offense that makes me think this might not be an arrangement that will continue beyond this season. I accept I could be completely wrong. We’ll find out in a few weeks.

If they do move on, the next OC might already be on the staff. More on that later.

What happens with the offensive line?

Investment is clearly required. Additions at all three interior spots are necessary. If you can add proven quality, it should be prioritised. Creating cap space to bid for available quality veterans is important, although admittedly there won’t be an extensive list of options there. I’ll keep banging this drum — adding toughness and experience in the form of someone like Colts center Ryan Kelly, if he reaches free agency, might be wise.

Talent should be added in the draft. There are really good interior O-line options to bolster their biggest need area. Tyler Booker, Donovan Jackson, Logan Jones, Jake Majors, Parker Brailsford, Jared Wilson, Dylan Fairchild and others can really help the team. There are a cluster of potential tackle-to-guard converts, highlighted by Josh Conerly, Grey Zabel and Kelvin Banks.

There are also some interesting blocking tight ends eligible for the draft, such as Iowa’s Luke Lachey. Adding quality here can also help improve Seattle’s play in the trenches.

There has to be a concerted effort to fix this issue and I think there will be. For all the justifiable worry fans have about this position group, I suspect the Seahawks know they’ve reached a point where they have to do something about their offensive line. The talent is there in the draft to put things right.

What happens with Geno Smith?

I think it’s highly unlikely he plays out the final year of his contract with a cap-hit that will almost certainly be at least $40.5m next season due to his escalators.

I agree with Brady Henderson’s view, as noted in this ESPN article last week:

13 touchdown passes to 12 interceptions doesn’t seem worthy of a long-term commitment in (the) $50 million a year range, which would put him in the top 10 among quarterbacks. What seems more likely is a short-term deal that boosts his current $25 million average per season, leaving Seattle with the flexibility to go year to year with him.

Despite the clamour from certain sections of the media and fanbase, this is likely to be Seattle’s position on the matter. They’ll want the flexibility to go year-to-year given Smith’s age.

Who knows how he and his representatives will feel about that? Unlike in 2023, he won’t be able to establish his market as a free agent. Smith will argue he deserves a raise and an extension based on the wider quarterback market, while the Seahawks will be wary of bidding against themselves at a time when the NFL is largely not getting value for money out of quarterback contracts.

Is there a compromise? That’d be best for both parties. Something that allows the Seahawks to lower Smith’s 2025 cap hit, retain some consistency and a good bridge to what’s next, while having the flexibility to draft an heir apparent and prepare for a longer-term future. Meanwhile, Smith gets a financial boost plus an opportunity to bolster his earnings, probably in the form of contractual escalators again.

I don’t think it’d make much sense for Smith to force the issue and hold out. It’s hard to see how that would benefit anyone. He didn’t have a big market in 2023 and I’m not sure much has changed. Compromise feels like his best bet and it might be Seattle’s too.

It also might be best to co-operate before the Seahawks assess alternative options. As I wrote about recently, I don’t think it’s unrealistic that they might look into Sam Darnold’s market. His five-touchdown performance against the Falcons, played within the environment of a poor Minnesota offensive line performance, bolstered his stock further.

To recap what I wrote two weeks ago, Schneider attended Darnold’s pro-day in 2018. He didn’t just go to Josh Allen’s. As far as I’m aware, he didn’t attend Baker Mayfield’s or Josh Rosen’s. We’ve heard a lot about Schneider’s interest in Allen as the Bills quarterback has turned into a superstar. We might not have heard as much about potential interest in Darnold because up until this year, he’d not succeeded.

Before he was traded by the Jets to the Panthers in 2021, there was plenty of talk about interest from the Seahawks in Darnold. This coincided with Russell Wilson’s four-team trade list being made public. It’s plausible that had Wilson been moved a year earlier, the Seahawks would’ve pursued Darnold. After all, Brad Biggs from the Chicago Tribune quoted a NFL GM saying the Seahawks were a team to watch with Darnold. Colin Cowherd made the connection, as did a report by Pat Leonard in the New York Daily News, citing a league source.

Smith’s cap-hit of approximately $40-42m next year can be compared to a cap-hit as low as $7-9m for Darnold if he signs a deal similar to Mayfield’s in Tampa Bay. If you account for $13.5m of dead money on Smith’s Seattle deal, that’s potentially a 50% saving on a cap hit in 2025 on a quarterback. Darnold is also seven years younger than Smith and it won’t be difficult to structure an ‘out’ in his contract for year three (Tampa Bay is protected in that way with Mayfield).

I’m not going to go over old ground again regarding Schneider’s thoughts on Smith but there’s enough out there to question whether the GM is fully committed to the current starter.

I don’t think there’s a massive difference between Darnold and Smith and that’s why the age difference and 2025 cap saving could interest Seattle. They have both had relative success after difficult years playing for bad teams like the Jets.

They have similar stats in certain categories:

Completion %
Darnold 68.4%
Smith 69.5%

PFF grade
Darnold 86.4
Smith 83.3

Big time throws
Darnold 29 (leads NFL)
Smith 25

Times sacked
Darnold 40
Smith 40

On deep throws — something I think will be important to Schneider — Darnold (51) and Smith (52) have thrown virtually the same number of +20 yard passes. Darnold’s completion percentage on these passes is 52.9% compared to Smith’s 46.2%. He’s averaged 19 yards per attempt compared to Smith’s 14.2. They’ve both thrown seven touchdowns and 19 ‘big time throws’ on downfield passes. If you think Darnold has an O-line advantage, on average he’s had 3.20 seconds to throw on deep passes, with Smith averaging 3.18 seconds.

There are some noticeable differences too. For example, Darnold has the third best quarterback rating (108.1) while Smith is way down in 18th (90.4). Darnold has thrown twice as many touchdowns (28) than Smith (14) despite throwing 80 fewer passes. Darnold’s yards per attempt (8.5) is fourth best in the league, while Smith’s (7.5) is only 17th. Darnold has also been far more effective in the red zone. He’s thrown 21 touchdowns and has a 72.2% completion percentage on 72 attempts. Smith has just eight red zone touchdowns, completing 48% of his passes on 50 attempts.

Some people won’t like this but Darnold is pretty much a younger Smith with better stats in a handful of important categories. In fairness, Smith has faced 31 more pressures than Darnold — but that was a Stone Forsythe problem that has since been remedied (Forsythe gave up 27 pressures against the Lions, Giants and 49ers alone).

It may be even more appealing for the Seahawks to make the switch if they part with Grubb and promote Jake Peetz to be the offensive coordinator. He is from the same Sean McVay tree that Kevin O’Connell comes from. There’d be some crossover for Darnold. Peetz effectively replaced O’Connell in LA, having worked with McVay in Washington previously. He was seen as a highly rated up-and-comer in LA and it was somewhat surprising the Seahawks were able to bring him to Seattle.

If Peetz took over the coordinator job, it would also prevent massive changes to the offensive terminology internally.

There are potential downsides to signing Darnold, of course. You get a cheap 2025 cap-hit but a substantial 2026 outlay. If he turns out to be a one-hit wonder with O’Connell, you’re stuck with him. He will quickly turn into a major financial burden. Other teams might be more inclined to take that risk when they look at their weaker existing starters.

Another downside could be the locker room reaction. It seems like Smith is popular with team mates. Shifting him out and inserting Darnold could be disruptive, especially if he struggles. That said, Tarvaris Jackson was very popular in Seattle in 2011 and the Seahawks didn’t shirk paying Matt Flynn to replace him, before drafting Russell Wilson.

Will they draft a quarterback?

Whenever they do finally take one, especially if it’s a high-ish pick, they will need a bridge. You never want to go into a draft tipping your hand unless you have the #1 pick. The Seahawks, if they intend to draft Allar, Nussmeier, Ewers or another quarterback, would require a proven starter to act as the bridge while masking their intentions.

If they can work things out quickly with Smith on a compromised extension that allows them to lower his 2025 cap-hit, they can comfortably present the deal as a bigger commitment than it is and feel good about their flexibility in the draft. Signing Darnold has the same effect.

The ideal scenario for the Seahawks is to have a veteran starter and a young, cheap, drafted quarterback being developed initially, then competing for the starting gig. I don’t blame Schneider at all for not creating this situation sooner. As mentioned earlier, the Seahawks haven’t passed on anyone in the last three drafts who has so far amounted to anything. You can’t force this. Schneider is right not to take a quarterback just for the sake of it. He has still added a young player in Sam Howell, so he’s not oblivious to the need.

For all the talk about the 2025 draft class not being great, an opinion I’ve voiced myself, it might work out quite well for the Seahawks. They might be able to identify a quarterback to invest in while still bolstering their offensive line.

Whatever happens between now and the end of the season, this promises to be an eventful and intriguing few months for the offense.

Bonus defensive off-season comment

I’ve no idea whether the Seahawks will have the cap space to make this happen, or whether the player would be interested in playing for another NFC West team. However, Budda Baker is a warrior. The thought of adding him to Seattle’s defense in a hybrid role currently occupied by Rayshawn Jenkins, is tantalising. It’s something I’ve thought a lot about since the weekend.

I’d even be quite aggressive to make this happen. Baker’s talent, physical style, playmaking qualities and leadership would be priceless. Look at how he played on Sunday, despite getting banged up during the game.

I’d love to think he’d be open minded about coming home, rather than opposed to the idea because he’s become such an integral part of the Cardinals for so long. I also think there’d be a ton of interest in him. Watching him in Seattle next year is an intriguing thought if it’s financially viable. It would further tip Macdonald’s unit closer to an elite level. It would also be a great schematic fit for the player.

Assuming he reaches the market, it’d be a rare opportunity to add a legitimate high-quality defender who is still at a reasonable age (he turns 29 in January) and continues to play at an exceptional level.

Instant reaction: Seahawks beat Cardinals again to take control of NFC West

Complementary football isn’t often celebrated by the online masses. In a world of stats, analytics, endless graphs that are difficult to read, fantasy football and other things, it’s often forgotten that doing the fundamentals right across the board will provide joy more often than not.

The Seahawks played well on defense, offense and special teams. It’s a great thing to say. It was thoroughly enjoyable to see just how solid everything was. It wasn’t flashy or exciting. It was connected. That’ll win you plenty of games.

This is a fifth consecutive game where the defense played at a high level. You’re not going to have a game as important as this where you dominate from start to finish. The Cardinals had their moments but ultimately, the Seahawks had far more. To contain an offense with Arizona’s weapons the way they did in two divisional games is extremely impressive.

The defensive backs played with physicality and tight coverage, the linebackers were excellent again and the D-line contributed. This is no longer a pleasant shift in direction. It looks like Mike Macdonald’s defense has landed.

The offensive gameplan was spot on and Ryan Grubb and his staff deserve credit after some tough weeks recently. They ran the ball better than they have in a long time, with Zach Charbonnet looking reborn as the lead back. They were more creative in the red zone. They converted short yardage situations. Geno Smith managed the game very well — checking down often and taking what was available, with some key passing conversions too.

On special teams there were no issues after a week of chaos in New York.

This looked like a football team worthy of playing in the post-season. They’re still a way off the finished article but that’s OK. Improvements will come in the off-season. But it’s great to feel like they’re on the right path at the moment. We haven’t always been able to say that in recent years.

Next week’s game against the Green Bay Packers in Prime Time will be a great test of the progress they’re making.

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