Before getting into the article, earlier today I conducted a live stream with Jeff Simmons prior to the start of day two. Check it out here:
Today was always going to be the defining day of this draft. It’s when the real winners will be determined.
Here’s my updated horizontal board with the drafted players removed. As you can see, a lot of talent remains (click the image to enlarge):
I think the Seahawks need to add to their defense. They need to inject some young talent to that group. They need to add a couple of impact players capable of starting very quickly.
Right now, all they’ve done to the unit is remove D.J. Reed, Bobby Wagner, Carlos Dunlap and Benson Mayowa and they’ve added Uchenna Nwosu, Shelby Harris, Artie Burns and Quinton Jefferson.
That’s concerning, to be honest. Now they need to do something about it.
I doubt Sean Desai was lured to Seattle for this.
The most talented defenders available are:
Andrew Booth (CB, Clemson)
Described by my league source as the third best cornerback in the draft, he’s only fallen out of the first round due to a lack of testing because of an injury. Booth has the potential to be really, really good — much in the way Trevon Diggs has emerged as a second round steal.
Travis Jones (DT, Connecticut)
One of the stars of the Senior Bowl, Jones is an absolute physical marvel. In Mobile he consistently dominated 1v1 reps with a dynamic bull-rush showing off his power and explosive qualities. He ran a 4.92 at 325lbs and added a 4.58 short shuttle. He can disrupt the pocket and has a great shot to be Ndamukong Suh’s replacement in Tampa Bay with the 33rd pick.
Logan Hall (DT, Houston)
He ran a 4.44 at 283lbs which is remarkable and indicative of a player with major potential. He plays way too upright and his pass rush plan needs significant work (he’s kind of all over the place at the moment) but the upside and potential is there to be a fantastic five-technique or three-technique rusher.
Boye Mafe (DE, Minnesota)
He won so many reps at the Senior Bowl and made it look effortless. He’s a stunning athlete with explosive lower body power, strong hands and dynamic quickness. He rounds the arc with a smoothness few possess in this class. He does need to learn to become more consistent and find a way to dominate rather than perform in spurts but he will have been graded in round one by some teams.
Kyler Gordon (CB, Washington)
His agility testing and explosive traits are off the charts, even if his combine forty was surprisingly slow. You’re going to get an amped up, top-level performer who may never emerge as an elite corner but he has a chance to be extremely good.
I think all five will leave the board before picks #40 and #41.
I’m not as keen on rolling the dice on Nakobe Dean. It’s undoubted he plays with incredible intensity and fire. My source thought he would go in round one but admitted concern about the health and lack of testing. Whoever gets him, the media will call it a steal. If the Seahawks take him, I wouldn’t complain. But he’s a 5-11, 225lbs linebacker without any testing results and injury flags.
David Ojabo was always a little bit overrated as a potential top-10 pick. I’m not a fan of the whole ‘take a player and redshirt them for a year’. Especially when you’re trying to build something like Seattle. I’m not sure you can risk him never really stepping forward — and if he’s not on the field until 2023, that’s tough to swallow when so many good alternatives exist.
Perrion Winfrey is also a tricky evaluation. He played well at the Senior Bowl, he ran a great forty and on the field he carries an alpha, aggressive, passionate personality. His tape is absolutely rubbish though.
There are players I think fit the Seahawks extremely well who may last into range.
Channing Tindall and Leo Chenal are explosive, passionate linebackers with downfield attack-dog mentalities. Troy Andersen has the most athletic upside of any linebacker in the draft.
I’ve wanted Tindall in Seattle since midway through the 2021 college season. They need a hair-on-fire front seven player who can cover ground, fly to ball carriers and pack a punch.
If you could pair Tindall with Sam Williams the Ole Miss rusher — you’d be onto a winner. For me, Williams has as much upside as any of the first round pass rushers. He ran in the 4.4’s, he ran an insane 1.52 10-yard split and his pass rush win percentage is 19.5%. There are some character issues teams will have looked into.
That would give Seattle a scary looking front seven. You could come out of this draft excited about that.
If they took any of the five names above instead — so be it.
Some other wildcard names to monitor — there are four cornerbacks I really like on day two. MJ Emerson, Demarri Mathis, Cam Taylor-Britt and Jalen Armour-Davis. They are all physically imposing. Emerson looks like a Seahawks prototype and is being wildly underrated. They are four classy, exciting players who I ranked above first round selection Kaiir Elam.
Nick Cross the safety at Maryland is a tremendous player — hard-hitting, highly athletic and versatile. Cincinnati’s Bryan Cook is being underrated and is a really solid cover-and-hit prospect. Someone’s going to get a steal with Illinois’ Kerby Joseph and my league source absolutely loved Jaquon Brisker at Penn State. I suspect he will come off the board quickly today.
Kentucky’s Joshua Paschal is so fun to watch. Explosive, tough and a brilliant run defender (albeit with pass rush limitations off the edge).
I’m not as high on Christian Harris at Alabama (underwhelming tape), Drake Jackson (you just want to see more — I think he’ll end up like Rasheem Green), Arnold Ebiketie (ran a 1.69 10-yard split) or DeMarvin Leal (he should be better than he is).
You can make a strong case for Nik Bonitto in Seattle’s new scheme. He’s quick, explosive and can drop in coverage, rush the edge and would help disguise pressure within a more creative scheme. He’s difficult to judge though as a pure pass rusher given his wide alignments at Oklahoma and task of basically getting to the QB before the tackle covers across. Can he engage and still win?
I also think Michael Clemons is such a dude, that wins in the same way Darrell Taylor did. He could be higher on Seattle’s board than many others.
If it wasn’t for Damone Clark’s injury, he would have a legit shot at round one.
So the opportunity is there to really bolster the defense and that’s needed.
However — quality also remains on offense.
I’ve been one of Abraham Lucas’ biggest fans. He was far better than the media acknowledged in Mobile. He was by far the best on-field tester at the combine during drills. I would have no problem drafting him to fill the right tackle spot across from Charles Cross. He’s a tremendous run blocker — don’t be fooled by the ‘air raid’ tag for him at Washington State. They ran plenty and his run-blocking grade was a 91.0. He’s a better run-blocker than pass protector.
Taking Lucas at #40 or #41 would be a steal.
I also think Cam Jurgens would be an outstanding pick. He’s just so physical, explosive, dynamic and he’ll set the tone up front. He can play guard or center.
Wake Forest’s Zach Tom is also a massively underrated player who can play literally any position on the offensive line. Logan Bruss is another name to keep an eye on.
Several quality pass catchers remain on the board — including Kevin Austin Jr, Alec Pierce, Christian Watson, Trey McBride, Greg Dulich, Cade Otton and Wan’Dale Robinson.
Some Seahawks fans are going to dread they take a running back early. As tiresome as that’ll be, there are some really good backs available. Breece Hall has a testing profile similar to Jonathan Taylor. Who wouldn’t want that? Kenneth Walker is a ‘dude’ who carried Michigan State. I love Dameon Pierce and Zamir White as round three options. Pierce in particular just screams ‘Seahawks’.
Personally I would rather wait on the position but if they take Hall or Walker in round two as best player available — no complaints here. They want to run the ball and they need (healthy) talent at running back.
The one position I hope the Seahawks avoid is quarterback. This group simply isn’t good enough. If a player lasts into round three, feel free to take a flier. Not in round two though. Not this year.
Desmond Ridder is a limited quarterback with major accuracy issues. He deserves major credit for what he did at Cincinnati and no doubt the ‘winner’ tag is going to help him. I just don’t think you can get past the average arm, the erratic throws, the robotic mechanics and the lack of flash in key games. Watch his tape — Navy, Eastern Carolina, Alabama. Tell me this is a guy who can be a top-10 quarterback in this league. As my source said — he’s already reached his ceiling.
Malik Willis is a powerful athlete and he has a great arm but he can’t play within the offense. If you were upset with Russell Wilson’s self-inflicted sacks, Willis is on another level. He flat-out refuses to throw over the middle (either that or he just isn’t seeing the field well enough). A lot of fans are shouting for Seattle to draft him. This isn’t the move to make.
I don’t get the Sam Howell hype. I think he’s very, very limited.
Matt Corral could easily be a player they target, given the Kiffin connection. I like his arm strength. I think he can be a point guard. There are just too many misses on tape and he needs a ground-zero lesson in how to operate a pro-offense.
There are better options on both sides of the ball ahead of taking a quarterback in round two who likely won’t be any better than Drew Lock.
Scot McCloughan said all of these QB’s are being graded in round three. So why would you take any of them before then?
Today is a great opportunity for the Seahawks to add talent. Go take it.
Round two options (offense):
Abraham Lucas T
Cam Jurgens C
Breece Hall RB
Kenneth Walker RB
Christian Watson WR
Alec Pierce WR
Kevin Austin Jr WR
Bernhard Raimann G
Round three options (offense):
Dameon Pierce RB
Zamir White RB
Tyrion Davis-Price RB
Calvin Austin WR
Wan’Dale Robinson WR
Skyy Moore WR
George Pickens WR
Khalil Shakir WR
Romeo Doubs WR
Zach Tom T/G/C
Rasheed Walker T
Logan Bruss G/T
Luke Goedeke G
Obinna Eze T
Dylan Parham C/G
Quarterback ranking order:
Matt Corral QB
Malik Willis QB
Desmond Ridder QB
Carson Strong QB
Jack Coan QB
Sam Howell QB
Round two options (defense):
Andrew Booth CB
Kyler Gordon CB
Nick Cross S
Jaquan Brisker S
Nakobe Dean LB
Channing Tindall LB
Leo Chenal LB
Troy Andersen LB
Travis Jones DT
Perrion Winfrey DT
Nik Bonitto EDGE
Sam Williams EDGE
David Ojabo EDGE
Arnold Ebiketie EDGE
Round three options (defense)
MJ Emerson CB
Demarri Mathis CB
Cam Taylor-Britt CB
Jalen Armour-Davis CB
Roger McCreary CB
Tariq Woolen CB
Bryan Cook S
Kerby Joseph S
Jalen Pitre S
Percy Butler S
Michael Clemons EDGE
Drake Jackson EDGE
Joshua Paschal EDGE
DeAngelo Malone EDGE
Dominique Robinson EDGE
Eyioma Uwazurike DT
Matthew Butler DT
DeMarvin Leal DT
Phidarian Mathis DT
Chad Muma LB
Christian Harris LB
Brian Asamoah LB
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Personally, I wouldn’t mind packaging one of our 2nd rd picks 40 or 41, to Carolina so they can grab a QB and they give us their 2023 1st rd next year. We could be sitting in the Top 10 with two first rounders and a third wherever Denver lines up next year.
I think Carolina would have to be stark raving mad to do that
Unless they have really fallen in love with a guy. There’s a lot of hype around these next tier of QB’s especially Malik Willis. Nothing would make me more mad than to see Seattle grab one there. I doubt it happens, but it could get interesting.
If it were up to me, I’d go and grab the best defensive player on you’re board, and then trade back to the middle of the 2nd and go and get Lucas or Jurgens.
Would you trade the Seahawks first round pick next year for a 2nd rounder this year?
Totally agree on filling the roster with “boring” (not QB) talent. I’d avoid a QB till day three for sure. 2nd round QBs not named Brees or Carr haven’t exactly planned out. It’s a humorous list to look at. I’d avoid a QB round 3 simply to avoid the Russ comparisons. It’s silly, but any QB the Hawks take round 3 will automatically be compared to Russ simply for being taken round 3. Dumb reason? Sure, but that’s how it works. Does anyone really want to Al Michaels et al bringing that up during games?
I wouldn’t be surprised, or upset, to see a day 2 pick on a WR. Looking at what went down yesterday, and the past few weeks with Hill and Adams, it’s obvious that teams are seeing the high level WR talent coming into the league and choosing to save money at that position. I want DK to stay long term, and I’m ok with paying him, but having a young, cheap, hedge at the position doesn’t hurt.
Really hoping to come away from day 2 with another offensive lineman, an inside linebacker and a pass rusher. I’m going to be bummed if they take a running back or a quarterback today.
Thank you Rob. Top notch work!
Fantastic breakdown as always, Rob.
I agree fully on prospects like Clemons and Tindall, who SCREAM “Seahawks.”
If we somehow land a mix of Tindall, Williams, or Jurgens with 40 and 41 I would be ecstatic. Do you think there’s any chance they view Clemons as such a “must” that they draft him earlier than expected?
Thank you for another year of feverish study – I think this is your most detailed year yet, and that’s saying something.
Unfortunately those players that scream “Seahawks”, are the Seahawks of old and no longer how this team is or will be built w/ this FO.
My same reaction. I no longer know what a Seahawk is especially during this rebuild. I can only refer to the past for what was Seahawky.
Hope we can trade back, add a pick or 2 still & grab these 3;
R2 Sam Williams
R2 Kenneth Walker
R3 Zach Tom
I’d piss your pants to grab those guys.
It’s not much of a setback if we get those guys and your pants are still dry now is it? But to then go and offer Rob’s pants up? /s
Rob, mostly just wanted to comment and say how much I appreciate your work and your effort. I’ve always been a draft junkie, but it’s hard to remember how I used to spend my time around draft weekend before I discovered your site. Absolutely tremendous content, and very much appreciated.
As far as the draft goes, day two always seems to end up being the most exciting. Have spent my morning seriously talking myself into some players I hadn’t really looked at before yesterday, and I’m ready to be heartbroken and/or irrationally excited by every little move. Think the only thing that could really spoil my day today (touch wood) would be coming out with Ridder, but I’m sure they might be able to find other ways. 🙂 Here’s to hoping for some future stars!
I really just wish we had 5 or 6 picks today.
Same. So many players I’d love to add in the money rounds.
So so so many names. Literally can’t go wrong with a bunch of picks. Well other than an early QB. I’d be happy if they pick at 40,41 but more than thrilled if they end up at like 55 and 63 or something. Give flexibility to move around and get players they like. Be great if only 1 QB is left at our pick, with the colts, Falcons, commanders, lions all picking after us. 4 teams in front of 40 could conceivably take one.
Agreed. I want an Edge, another OL, a CB, and a LB from Day 2, but we only have 3 picks.
Part of me would love to see Jurgens and Lucas in round 2, just solidifies the OL. Either that or just go get an Edge, a LB and a CB. I’d take Williams, Tindall and Britt-Taylor or Amrour-Davis.
No opposed to a skill guy on offense but building from the inside out makes the most sense.
Taking oline with all three top picks would be a major statement, and would probably drive Russell Wilson crazy
sadly I am afraid they’re about to reach on a mediocre qb like Corral.
9.Charles Cross
OT Mississippi State
40.Boye Mafe
EDGE Minnesota
47.Travis Jones
DT Connecticut
72.Abraham Lucas
OT Washington State
109.Channing Tindall
LB Georgia
129.Dameon Pierce
RB Florida
145.Damarri Mathis
CB Pittsburgh
153.Josh Paschal
EDGE Kentucky
167.Kevin Austin
WR Notre Dame
229.Jack Coan
QB Notre Dame
A+ haul
I’ll do a back flip of glee if we get this group.
Would love that draft, getting Austin at 167 would be a absolute steal.
9.Charles Cross
OT Mississippi State
40.Abraham Lucas
OT Washington State
41.Sam Williams
EDGE Mississippi
72.Cam Jurgens
C Nebraska
109.Damarri Mathis
CB Pittsburgh
145.Damone Clark
LB LSU
TRADE: 153 to SF, 172, 262 to SEA
172.Jalen Wydermyer
TE Texas A&M
229.Isaiah Weston
WR Northern Iowa
262.Jack Coan
QB Notre Dame
Love this set of picks. Though I am somewhat sad to not see my draft crush: Marcus Jones.
I want to share a SDB memory from 2015. Having followed the blog for many years I had no idea that Rob was from the U.K. It may have been his first live draft cast. It was the 2nd round & I tuned in while walking around in Fairbanks, AK. He starts speaking & I was totally thrown for a loop. WTF?!? My preconceptions were shattered. The secret power of a British accent to those of us in the States is that it automatically adds credibility to any sports broadcast! How did this bloke become a Seahawks fan?
In all seriousness, I have an extremely difficult time finding media folks worth listening to. Rob clearly came from a professional background in communications & mixed with his passion & bias for the Seattle Seahawks made for an easy and entertaining listen. His interviews are skillful & excellent. Tony Pauline is another one of the few who I can stand listen to.
Thanks for following your heart Rob & continuing your SDB/Rebuild passion project. I know all too well that it rarely leads to a monetary payoff but hopefully you find a way to live the dream.
Well said
Is there any chance we trade DK today?
No, that ship has sailed
Its time to open up the bank vault and back the truck up now. DK is only going to get more expensive.
Yes it is! Gotta love a WR with his upside, and his trade value isn’t going away if he decides to go full primadonna on us.
Still think #38 and 22 1st is a fair deal, but the Jets offseason turned out so great I wouldn’t bother if I were them. AJ brown trade was cheap enough I don’t Schneider ever considered DK seriously. Plus SF has a WR malcontent sitting on their squad still if the Jets wanted to make a move.
Love the player but this team is too far away to pay the going price for DK.
Let alone Lockett’s deal. It’s a rebuild man.
Should have cashed in on DK before the draft.
As usual with this organisation, a day late and a dollar short.
Snooze you lose.
There’s no snoozing. If we pay DK a fat contract, he has more value to another team since we just ate a bunch of money. Appears there’s no chance of him going anywhere but I don’t think blocks any moves long term
👏 Thank you for all you put into this site and podcasts. Truly top shelf work! 👏
Great work Rob, you are relentless at providing top notch content for all of us draft junkies to digest.
I think Nakobe Dean would be a fantastic addition. Incredibly instinctive linebacker who will be a team captain by year two. The defense needs some leadership after Bobby’s departure, Dean will help provide exactly that and also be a playmaker who disrupts the rhythm of opposing offenses with his instincts. This situation kind of reminds me of when Myles Jack fell down the board in the 2016 draft.
Obviously I am curious to see, what, if anything the Seahawks do at QB. This class is shaky at best, probably best to stand pat for 2022 and reevaluate the position in the 2023 draft.
I’d rather have a C than LB at ~40. Dean might be a bit small too, though he plays hard. C or CB, or Hall/Walker especially Hall if he’s there.
I loved the first-round pick by the Hawks, I haven’t said that in many, many years. That said, I am actually more excited about the possibilities here in round two than I was for round one.
If they had traded back a bit yesterday and still got Travis Jones or Perrion Winfrey, I would have been very happy with the results yesterday. Now both of them are in play for today, awesome. I haven’t watched much game tape of either one of these guys, but the Senior Bowl tape, especially the practice tape for both of them is incredible.
Mr. Staton I love your horizontal list, and I think it is spot on. I count about 12 guys off of that list that I would be thrilled with if they took them in the second round.
My only fear is that Schnieder and Coach Carrol revert to their old MO, trade back when there is still phenomenal talent on the board, and then draft some DE from Waxahoochie State that no one has ever heard of before, and that pick ends up being okay, but not the pro-bowler that they could have taken if they just didn’t get too “cute”.
The Titans received 18 and 101 for AJ Brown. Would you have accepted that for DK?
I probably wouldn’t. I also am not in favor of signing him long term yet. Let him play this year, you have 2 more years on the tag for 3 more years of club control. You could trade him next year on the tag too and use that draft capital to help move up for the QB.
I really hope they take a flier on Damone Clark in round 4 or even late 3.
Dude is insane, and recovering really well from a major injury at 21.
…If we dont pick up Tindall or Chenal in round 2
I’m hoping for at least one of these guys:
Tindall
Williams
Breeze Hall
Jurgens
I feel like these 4 will be very good, if not great NFL players. I think R2-3; who cares about position – get great players.
Would love it if they somehow get Dameon Pierce in this draft, but just not today.
Also, spending a 7th round pick on Jack Coan makes a ton more sense to me than spending a 2nd round pick on either Willis, Ridder, Corral, or Howell.
I’m hoping we can trade pick 41 for at later 2nd & 3rd or 4th. Washington’s picks 47 & 113 for 41, they get a QB.
Would love to end today with 3 players possibly 4 or 5 from the lists in the write up.
Maybe Travis Jones, Cam Jurgens, Sam Williams at 40, 47, & 72.
Trenches Addressed.
Meant end rounds 1-4 with 4 or 5 from lists in Rob’s write up.
R2 options that would make me happy (in this order):
Travis Jones (BPA)
Andrew Booth (I need a great CB)
Abraham Lucas (get both OTs)
Boye Mafe (need a passrusher)
Channing Tindall (fast, flying LB)
Cam Jurgens (just a big dude)
Nik Bonitto (high floor, could be used creatively, but some risks)
Troy Andersen (another great LB)
Leo Chenal (3rd best LB to me)
Kenneth Walker (best RB available)
Kyler Gordon (good CB, 40 could be an issue)
Nick Cross (well we don’t need another safety, but he’s pretty good)
Sam Williams (great rusher but character concerns)
Breece Hall (pretty good RB)
R3 options in order for me:
MJ Emerson (really need a CB)
Dameon Pierce (great punishing RB)
Michael Clemons (BAMF)
CTB (again CB)
Zamir White
Obinna Eze
Chad Muma
Zach Tom
Joshua Paschal
JAD
Kerby Joseph
Brian Asamoa
Logan Bruss
Matt Corral
I can see them loving Zach Tom because of his ability to play any of the o-line positions. They have always valued versatility plus iirc Rob said he tested very well.
Also a comment about DK: you made an observation last night Rob mentioning that waiting to resign him is only costing them money as was the case with Frank Clark. Can you or anyone else take a atab at why the poor salary mgmt at times?
I’d guess on salary it’s the same as the draft stuff.
They have a very deliberate way of doing their business and they don’t want to vary from it. Cost be damned.
I also think they are out of touch with the market and it went up more than they thought…Should have extended FA while he was on his last year, waited too long and DE exploded, same thing is happening w/ DK and WRs. Same thing happened w/ the JA trade but in the reverse fashion.
It’s like the PNW is in its own bubble and the Hawks don’t have a pulse on this kind of stuff. Drives me crazy. A team that was so good at being ahead of the market is so behind now.
I feel like you both might be right as in there’s aspects of what each of you is saying there. It’s not good.
I’d like to see them just pay DK what AJ just got and get on with it. DK would take that and he would match his compadre and be happy for a few years.
I completely agree with you that there are a ton of good options on the table today.
I don’t necessarily agree that none of those top 5 players you mentioned will be there at 40 and 41. I guess we’ll see but I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see Willis and Ridder drafted early in 2 and Kenneth Walker and perhaps a receiver or two.
Could turn out the Seahawks have a shot at Gordon and/or Mafe at 40 or 41, which would be ideal.
I’m with you on Tindall at 72, if he’s still there.
I would love to come out of day 2 with Lucas, Jurgens, and Williams.
If you walk out of the draft with both tackles and a center filled that have the potential to play for more than ten years that is where you have to go.
Build the edge rush with Williams and then Clemons on day 3.
Build from importance of position.
QB – Drew Locke and/or 2023 draft (or Jack Coan in the fifth round)
Edge rush
Offensive line
After that you pick up some running backs and linebackers to play hard in the trenches.
I’m seriously worried they’re going to take a QB with one of those seconds, I really hope not as there is going to be some serious value at lb, edge, cb and OL
Interior DL too
That’s a nice list of prospects that the Ravens will be targeting!
Ouch. The truth hurts.
Indeed it does
Reading this makes me really wish that Seattle would have/could have traded down from 9 and picked up a few more picks. Excellent work Rob. I have no idea how you have time to get this all written.
Having the day to think about Cross my position on him hasn’t changed too much. I still don’t like the scheme fit or the tape that much (it’ll be ironic if we take Sam Williams in Rd2 who beat him up in their game).
But on the positive, and thanks to Seamode for pointing this out last night, he improved his vertical to 30.5″ which combined with a 9’4 broad and those are good explosive numbers (20 bench press reps drags it down but that one matters the least really). I also like that he is young and played in the SEC (so not Trevor Penning).
Basically I’m thinking right now he’s probably no more than an average LT, which isn’t what you want at 9 ideally, but he plays a premium position and that matters. We have experienced what below average LT looks like recently and it’s not good.
As for today, loads of talent still on the board. If we can find a way to get 1 more pick today that would be great, but an exciting day no less. It’ll be quite hard not to get at least 1 player I’d be excited for.
As for QB I think I would be cool with/ cautiously optimistic on Corral. I like him, he’s got traits I could get excited about, I’m a fan of his personality, QB savant (and nothing else) Chris Simms gave his stamp of approval. But yeah, a no for me on everyone else.
Anyone else notice Jody Allen front and center in the war room? I know Covid-19’s has kept people away but I’m curious what message was being sent. 100% support for PC & JS? That she’s fully engaged and not selling? She seems to be taking a much more active role. I have to admit when the Russ trade went down I kinda liked how her statement took some swipes at Russell’s camp. Thoughts?
She likes football. Always has.
About DK…..
If they really want to win next year the Seahawks should keep DK. With these second rate QBs it would be a huge advantage to have a couple veteran pass catchers to make it easier. I think this is what they do.
If they want a high 1st round draft pick next year to get a QB, the Seahawks should trade DK for a package heavy on 2023 draft picks. I can see Green Bay selling their soul for one more chance at a Superbowl.
To address Big Mike’s question about the poor salary management, I think they are keeping their options open. For example, if a team wanted to trade for DK but had a tight salary cap next year, they would prefer he did not have a $25 million dollar salary. Other teams might prefer he was already signed. The delay will cost more as prices climb, but the flexibility may be worth it to the FO.
1-if you’re trading for Metcalf you make room. One year of salary cap isn’t an obstacle.
2-If the Seahawks sign Metcalf they’re not trading him for 3 years.
did anyone catch the beginning of the pcjs presser last night? pete did something with the water bottle where we knocks it over and catches it then looks up to see if anyone noticed. not sure if it was an old feeble guy thing or if he did it on purpose thinking it would get laughs.
im so worried about today and tomorrow.
One of his secretive hints for today’s picks? Maybe someone who is considered to be “falling”? Maybe bringing in Charlie Waters? Maybe picking Tacko “Fall” from the Celtics to convert him to a DE?
Rob,
I don’t know what I’d do without your abundance of information on all of these guys. Thank you so much for all your hard work here! I’ll be checking the page frequently today and tomorrow.
I’m coming around to Cross especially if they bookend the line today, het a center, or best yet do a complete overhaul in one go.
But, damn, i would love some players where for a change we aren’t waiting on a recovery, didn’t need to have the work on this or that, didn’t have to hope they are something other than they are.
Rob do you think there will be a trade down from either of the picks?
Very possible. I would welcome it.
I was just thinking the same thing when looking at the bog board for who is left. What could we get in return if we moved back 15 spots for each? Late 3rd round pick for each?
So,
55 Jurgens C
56 Lucas RT
72 Tindall LB
100 Williams DE
101 Tolbert WR
109 Strong/Robinson RB
Realistic? Good solid foundational players?
Go Hawks!
Yeah I was thinking the Colts, Falcons and Lions may be keen to get head of each other to grab a QB. Seattle will be a good target to trade with because they can get their player at either pick.
Rob,
Amazing work, both in terms of content and quality.
Thank-you again for doing what you do.
One thing that had been talked about the past few days, was the possibility of the Seahawks acquiring Baker for a 4th.
Any interest?
Personally I prefer your suggestion where we add Strong to the mix and go push our chips in for 2023.
I would want Cleveland to give us a fourth and eat most of his salary
So when running the PFN sim, I have been doing a pick swap with Cleveland and then giving them a 2023 5th. So Seahawks move back from 40 to CLE 44 and then add in the 2023 5th and assume we get Baker at 1/4 of his salary…
I’d do Baker and 78 for 153, we eat half his salary.
That’s wayyyyyyyyyyyy too much
Cleveland would have to give you a third or fourth rounder to eat half his salary
Glad to see after the fact that Jim agrees on Jameson Williams being the best of the bunch like we were talking about yesterday.
Williams was the guy I hoped they would take at 10 if they moved DK to the Jets. I figured they’d add a second or third to get DK and I would be pretty happy with a talent like Williams on a much cheaper contract.
PLEASE draft a Georgia defensive player today!
@Rob: see email.
I found it interesting that they said they had a trade up yesterday that “vanished” at a certain point. Wonder who that might have been for.
I would think Evan Neal, but now Brady Henderson is reporting that the Seahawks had Cross rated above Neal (could be they’re just saying that now, though, of course.)
Pete Carroll & John Schneider Day 1 Press Conference | 2022 NFL Draft
https://youtu.be/s05tF2lYvUs
I’ve also noticed Pete seems to be letting John lead the presser and answer first a little more lately. Anyone think there has been a little power shift behind the scenes?
Jeff made a good point in the stream.
It could’ve been to #6 for Thiobeaux but he got nabbed at 5 by the Giants which made their deal evaporate.
Ah, I arrived quite late to the stream. Also quite possible.
That’s pretty gutting to be fair. I think Thibodeaux could’ve been our Bosa type, across from Taylor. What a starting point for the build.
Meh. Trading up means giving up a second, I think. No thanks.
Not it doesn’t
A team moved up 20 picks yesterday and gave up a third
That’s been evident to me since the combine presser. John is definitely puffing his chest more and strutting with a bit more confidence bordering smug arrogance. I’d rather have JS picking players than Pete fwiw.
how concerning is it that pc said he hadn’t watched Cross’ game tape against Georgia and drafted him anyway?
Did he say that? I thought he mentioned that he went back and re-watched vs. Alabama again last night just to have it fresh after Cross mentioned it to the media as his best game.
The whole topic was kind of awkward from PC, though.
I missed the one more time comment.my bad
@Jabroni-DC
I don’t have contact with V12. I think he just decided to stop posting here at some point.
And yes, I remember a couple times a new “DC” showed up in the comments and the ensuing confusion. 🙃 Maybe the new Rebuild website will allow us to register our usernames to avoid that. Then you can be the one and only, if you want.
Not new, just post sporadically. Been around since 2014ish? I think? I don’t know, but a long time
Newer. It’s all relative. There was at least one more that did a name change, possibly 2.
Thanks Sea Mode. I just hope he’s alive & healthy somewhere. I stopped posting after last year’s draft until free agency started this year so I wasn’t sure when he vanished.
And there are at least two of us posting as “Sean”.
Personally, on day-2 I’m hoping for:
— EDGE-Sam Williams, Opposite Taylor, he should excel and provide + excitement. **ALT-EDGE-Boye Mafe
— ILB-Leo Chanel, a GREAT replacement for Wagner, & a BAMF type at ILB. **ALT-ILB-Channing Tindall.
— OC-Cam Jurgens, I really like his game + a big need filled. **ALT-OC/OG-Zach Tom. Wait for day-3 at RB.
They must get much more aggressive and bad assed & IMO these are the guys that fit those criteria best of the available options at the positions of need.
I like two of those. Worried about Chanel’s inability to do anything in coverage. Seems like a must in today’s NFL, even for ILB.
*Chenal
(Lest Russ and his cringiest commercial endeavors remain in our subconscious)
For me getting good players is all I care about. I would be happy with any of these guys. You can’t seriously screw this up. Can you? Just look at the available names.
Sam Williams
Boye Mafe
Arnold Ebiketie
Abe Lucas
Cam Jurgens
Channing Tindall
Leo Chenal
Troy Anderson
Breece Hall
Ken Walker
Jalyn Armour Davis
Damarri Mathis
Wondering what Abraham Lucas put on film in the air raid that charlesncross didn’t? I personally Love the pick and would also love tonsee them go get Lucas or a Center today and build the trenches. Sam williams with the other pick. Great work this season by the way. I have been a reader of this blog since 2011.
As noted several times, Washington State ran the ball 42-45% of the time the last two season. Lucas’ run blocking grade was a 91.0. They don’t run Mike Leach’s offense any more.
After the Cross reach what do we think is the worst case scenario today? Trade up for a bad QB? Stay put and over think another player like Cross? Focus on position not talent? Take only players from the state of Mississippi? Can’t wait – must see TV.
Fans don’t have to like the pick but Cross was definitely not a reach.
Fair enough but I do not see Cross as the 9th best player in this draft – not even close.
How much tape did you watch to form this opinion? I admit I haven’t watched much but he was consistently mocked in the top ten, lowest I saw was 14.
He definitely isn’t the 9th best player in the draft, but he is definitely one of the top LTs. I would rather they brought back Brown and grabbed Johnson with 9, but it is what it is. On the bright side, it wasn’t Penning.
Thanks for the amazing coverage as always Rob! Let’s hope for some great football from Cross and the rest of the class and bad luck on not nabbing Johnson in round 1 but love the prospects you highlighted for round 2.
Cross was not a reach. Vast majority had him in the top 15.
My concern is given the Cross pick they possibly think they are contenders and are drafting to fill holes.
Which would mean QB and RB at 40 41.
Cross was pff ‘s # 3 overall prospect. #1 OT. Best pass blocking OT, and #2 run blocking OT in the SEC.
Today should be about filling out the lines. Championships are made on the lines and both of ours have needs.
I don’t want to see skill guys here. If they could go Lucas, Williams and Tom that’d be perfect.
Most of the Day 2 mocks have the Hawks taking Willis at #40.
Sorry I missed the stream yesterday. Outstanding stuff as always.
FWIW, we may not be high on Cross’ pick but he was mocked at 7-8 sites I had checked before the draft from #5 to the NYG to #6 to the Panthers. So at least, I didn’t have to say huh, where did this come from (Collier says hello) Also, PFF has a glowing grade on him. Perhaps not my first choice and I was tracking JJ all the way until he was picked. After the boneheaded MN trade I was hoping we would make a reasonable trade back into the 20’s to pick him. I was just praying we didn’t pick Malik.
Who would’ve thought that both NY teams crush their day drafts. Must be a first.
Day of Desai
40. Boye Mafe
41. Andrew Booth
72. Channing Tindall
Easy plan, Lucas or Jurgens. Small trade back(s) if possible, then Tindall. Pierce no matter what at 72. BPA if there was trade back. Clemons @ 109. Start planning statues.
Really enjoy the Rob & Jeff combo. Thanks for the stellar content
Love MJ Emerson. Most physically imposing corner. Could be a nice complement to our current personnel. I could get around him after a trade down. I also love Theo Jackson from Tennessee. Dude just looks like a Seahawk corner. Tackles well and made great plays on the ball.
Theo Jackson
Height: 6-0 7/8
Weight: 198 pounds
Hand: 9 3/8 inches
Arm: 32 3/4 inches
Wingspan: 6 feet, 4 inches
40-yard dash: 4.46 seconds
Vertical jump: 37 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet, 3 inches
Three-cone: 7.34 seconds
20-yard shuttle: 4.25 seconds
Bench press: 12 reps of 225 pounds
2021: 78 tackles (fourth-most on team), nine tackles for loss (led SEC defensive backs), 1.5 sacks, 12 pass breakups (second-most in SEC and one interception (returned for touchdown against Vanderbilt) in 12 games (12 starts at Star). Coaches’ All-SEC second-team selection.
Rob or others in the community….what exactly does it mean that the Seahawks “draft for their team and not for the league” and that they build their own draft board. Don’t ALL teams do both of those things? I’ve always been confused by those statements from JS. Any insight into this? Am I just an idiot and can’t wrap my brain around it? Lol
I think you’re overthinking it. It just means they don’t confirm to a national or media consensus opinion. Which most teams don’t you’re right, but its mostly a response to media or fans that tends to criticize or raise eyebrows when picks don’t match their grades.
I think it means they value prospects according to how they fit in our scheme/culture, not how the rest of the league might rate them.
I agree it’s not really a new concept. Seems to me more of just a way of reasserting themselves to “stick to their guns” as far as how they grade certain guys vs. how the league in general might grade them.
The “build their own draft board” I haven’t heard in this context. Literally every team does that, yes.
Ok, that actually helps and confirms what I THOUGHT they were trying to convey. And you’re right: we tend to hear these statements after they go a completely different direction than most of the fans, media and analysts believe they should. Thanks for the clarification 👍
A way to deflect criticism for what has been a plethora of mediocre to poor picks the last 5 or so years?
What about a trade up for Booth? Swap Denvers 2nd with TB’s 3rd to go from 40 to 33.
PFN
9.Charles Cross
OT Mississippi State
33.Andrew Booth Jr.
CB Clemson
47.Boye Mafe
EDGE Minnesota
72.Abraham Lucas
OT Washington State
97.Channing Tindall
LB Georgia
109.Zach Tom
OT Wake Forest
145.Zamir White
RB Georgia
153.Kevin Austin
WR Notre Dame
229.Jack Coan
QB Notre Dame
Can someone who knows more about football help me here: I keep reading Jordan Davis was a strong possibility for us, as is DT Travis Jones in the 2nd round.
We have Poona Ford/Shelby Harris and Al Woods (underrated imo), with all the holes this team has, how is DT a need with these three players currently on our roster? Not to mention I like Bryan Mone too, although I’m not even sure he’s still an option.
I would have 0 problem if Jones dropped to 40. Loved him. Dominated at Senior Bowl
Al Woods is probably in his last season. Poona Ford is ok but he has some limitations. Mone is never going to be more than a solid rotation piece. Harris will be a UFA in 2024. So while DT may not be as big a need as some other holes, if they could get a top level talent like Davis in R1 or Jones in R2, it’s a reasonable pick.
I guess. I just look at RT/LB/Edge holes looking much more glaring. I know Woods is old and Mone is rotational at best, but I would grade them a B/B- as a unit for next season, while RT is empty and Brooks is our only strong LB right now. (I like Curhan at RT but doubt he’s a long-term solution).
They are bigger needs yes and preferably you can draft good guys in those spots. But draft prospects are prospects and don’t necessarily plug those holes right away. If you have a guy that you think will have a higher ceiling for a position that will be a need in the future, then it would be better to pick them than drafting a lesser player just to try and fill a hole now. You have to weight long term vs short term.
I won’t argue differently. I’d much prefer the best LB and EDGE or CB than a DT. But I won’t complain if Travis Jones is available at 40 and they take him.
And I would argue that if you didn’t leave so many holes in your roster (tackles, LB, etc.) and spent a bit more smartly (hello Will Dissly) you could draft for the future as in 2 or so years down the road. People are jealous of Baltimore’s drafts and that’s exactly what they’re doing most of the time.
Here’s to hoping at least Corral and Willis come off the board between 33 and 39, both to ensure they aren’t tempted to take one (I don’t think they’re interested in Ridder), as well as improving their chances of hitting on BPA OL (Lucas or Jurgens for me) or BPA defense (much tougher call).
Ridder says hi
Riddler, I should think
Dang, so it sounds like we almost succeeded in scaring the Jets to hand over a free pick and swap from 10 to 9 in order to avoid being leapfrogged for Garrett Wilson.
Bummer, that would have at least felt good after you know what…
Interesting! What did you hear and from who?
Rats. The Niners snookered TB into giving them a 4th round pick so they could secure Wirfs a couple years ago.
They then packaged that to move up from 31 to get Aiyuk in the first round.
I saw that too, would’ve been nice to pick up a 6th so we have a pick in every round, gotta think a small trade down from 40/41 to pick up a 6th is in their minds.
Any late pick you have your eye on?
I want ST to go back to being a priority like 2012/13, anyone who will be a beast there I’m good with.
Listening to the live stream about going OL at/around 40/41.
I could get behind Lucas and Jurgens, then start Jurgens at LG since we already have Blythe on the roster. An OL of Cross-Jurgens-Blythe-Lewis-Lucas could be really good.
Alternatively, adding Bruss in the third, or even Raimann in the late second if they get a trade down opportunity, works in lieu of Jurgens.
Blythe can also play LG. Plus I remember him Seattle hadn’t told him whether he’d be playing LG or Center. I’d prefer Jurgens at Center and let Blythe and Haynes compete for LG. Trade Gabe Jackson
If they get Jurgens and I like him a good deal just have him be the center. Get the line dialed in as soon as possible.
Feels like the round 2 options are better on defense and round three for offense.
So difficult for me to understand taking a QB that is not any better than Lock. We already have him, and it seems like the media just continues to harp on the fact that we are taking a QB in the early rounds. NO. If i am wrong i will eat crow, but they brought Lock here, not because they had to, but because there WAS something they saw. The QB pick is sexy. Screw it. THe mocks are there to get us to worry and get clicks. Trading back 41 makes sense if they get a reasonable deal. I really want 40 to be an Edge or OL. I want a great LB, and i want a BA running back. Get them today.
Albert Breer: So where will the action happen today? Because of the close relationship between Titans coach Mike Vrabel and Cincinnati coach Luke Fickell, Ridder’s name has been consistently connected to Tennessee, where Ridder could essentially take a redshirt year behind Ryan Tannehill, and the team could use it to work on his mechanics to see whether his accuracy might improve. The Titans moved down from No. 26 to No. 35, with 35 being the third pick tonight and a more appropriate spot to grab Ridder (Seattle’s also done homework on him).
On top of that, both the Falcons and Seahawks have been connected in recent weeks to Ole Miss’s Matt Corral (who’s got off-field questions for everyone to sort through), and those two have a pair of second-rounders each (Seattle’s at 40 and 41; Atlanta’s at 43 and 58). Washington’s another team to watch, at both 47 and 98. The Commanders have kicked tires on Liberty’s Malik Willis (whom Atlanta has checked out as well) and Howell.
“The biggest fall of Thursday? That belonged to Florida State DE Jermaine Johnson II, who went from potential top-10 pick to 26th. I’m told a big piece of his drop was how he came off in predraft meetings with teams—he turned a lot of people off through the process. The hope now, of course, is that a tough draft night will create a lesson learned.”
I only heard about K Thibs turning teams off during pre-draft meetings, where did you see this?
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1520121898369171462?s=20&t=xPSwGlKE_AxhwaENTLhJRA
Dream scenario… Titans take Ridder, Texans take Malik Willis, then Atlanta gets scared looking at seattle’s two picks so they trade up above us to take Corrall. push good players down the board and make it impossible for pete to waste a pick on a mediocre qb
Lovin’ how you think
I was checking out the NFL trade chart and Minnesota lost 200 points with there trade with Detroit. Mind blowing I wouldn’t hate it if they traded back a little. According to pat Kirwin teams are trying to move up in round 2.
Lol
https://mobile.twitter.com/malikwillis/status/1519843277129719808
I know we’re all kind of down on Malik as a player, but as a person I like the kid. I do hope he succeeds wherever he ends up.
In a different world Wilis in the third with two seasons to learn would maybe be an awesome pick.
Unfortunately trotting him put there if Lock is mediocre with so many technical isssues feels disastrous.
The Jets own Schneider
And Carroll. John does NOT work in a vacuum.
You sure?
To hear some fans Pete’s made all the bad picks and all the bad contracts and john is just now getting some sort of say.
Being a wiseass here obviously
🙂
So basically equal to the 16th pick of the first round. Niners probably wanted a 1st plus another pick.
10th pick (1300 points) + 5th round, #172nd (21 points) for Niners’ 2nd round, #61 (292 points).
If the Niners didn’t have to include the 2nd rounder and the 5th was a 2nd coming back, that would have been worth it I think.
I keep hearing Joe Douglas name on social media due to the Jamal Adams trade and now due to him drafting Gardner, Wilson and Johnson. So, I went back and looked at his drafts.
If you look at his 2019 and 2020 drafts, I think PS/JS would be hall of famers. Its that bad. 2021 is still too early to know but no one has emerged. This year, none of the three first rounders are sure blue chip things. It made me think that Joe Douglas is no stud and all the picks in the world are worthless if you don’t make the right choices.
If Douglas is no stud, what are Carroll and Schneider for allowing him to hoodwink them for a killing in the peacock trade?
He did kill it run on the Jamal Adams trade but his drafting is quite suspect.
The Eagles got AJ Brown for half of what PCJS paid to get a Safety ranked in the 60s by PFF 2 years in a row. So
Still a good (sad) case to be made to consider safety today or tomorrow.
Hope not. But there is a case.
Yeah I know man, sadly. 27 million tied up in 2 guys with injury concerns.
Josina’s been on the phone.
https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1520162479254474752
Seahawks exploring a trade up. But for whom?
Does she have a smart phone? I wasn’t aware.
They’re going to take a QB unfortunately
I’m thinking positive (yeah I know, that’s a shocker) and saying thwey don’t do it this year. I think she’s trying to look like she has connections by what she considers connecting the dots…..(she thinks) “Seahawks need a QB= they move up=I’ll look like I have connections”.
An actual image of her playing “connect the dots,” on a piece of paper popped into my mind.
I’m with you. I am leaning heavy on no qb taken.
1. Why are you not getting the last sleep you can?
2. Good info from Josina. Apparently it takes at minimum two teams to do a trade/deal. Just something to file away fans of the draft.
3. “But for whom?” That was going to be my question to you, not the other way around.
Good grief not a second round qb when they have a second round qb.
I have had a sleep now. About two hours in the evening.
Work tomorrow is going to be a chore. Originally booked the day off but now covering a game at midday.
You’re a beast man
Much respect Rob.
That story about shopping on no sleep. The worst feeling.
Really hope you’re right
I got to ask you Rob, I love Lucas would you draft him to compete to be the left tackle spot and other moves for the right tackle spot?
Not Rob.
Trying to be positive like Big Mike. Cross needs a fair shot at LT or the pick would be a wet fart in an elevator.
Cross was a four star recruit with at least a decent level of interest from some good schools. I know he played primarily in Leach’s offense but he was recruited by the former staff.
Plus Lucas is a bad ass RT. Now with a lot of teams rocking two plus edge rushers this team needs both tackles.
I don’t think that’s true (if Cross doesn’t start at LT year 1 his pick is a wet fart). It’s probable Cross will start at LT, but I can see Seattle resigning Duane Brown for one more year and letting Cross whet his blocking chops on the right side to start. Especially if they miss (or pass) on Lucas.
If they do get Lucas then no doubt Cross starts at LT but if that doesn’t happen I don’t think that automatically renders the pick worthless.
Only in regards to lucas and cross swapping sides.
Ideally i still think you jave to let Cross roll. It takes time to acclimate not just for him, which may be the case for retaining brown, but the line as a whole.
I get what you’re saying, but if Seattle don’t take another OT in the draft, and they are able to resign Brown, they should do that and start Cross at RT so that they’re fielding their best lineup.
Now that is an intriguing idea.
I can’t go back on twitter until the hawks pick. Way to much qb talk.
I don’t get it. We have a second round qb.
He’s a bit more accurate than Willis. Probably has a better arm consistently than Ridder. And even in Denver did okay with a quick passing game.
Now I’m out here defending Lock. But seriously his time at Mizzou was as good if not better than what the other three did at their schools.
Same
Please let the QBs fly off the board before we pick!
Wanting to know which players to root for at positions of need.
Edge – Mafe or is there a better option?
RT – Lucas
LB – Tindall
RB – Pierce or do we wait until 109 and try to get the top 3 names with our first 3 picks. Which RB would be best at 109 if Pierce is gone? Haskins Michigan or Robinson Bama? And could they contribute right away as a 1B to Penny’s 1A?
Thanks for your thoughts!
Go Hawks!
Sam williams or mafe.
Part of me likes Perrion Winfrey to sub out shelby harris.
Lucas or Jurgens for me is a net improvement.
Obviously Tindall but if he goes early there’s a ton of good names to be had.
Or would it be better to try to go
40 Jurgens C
55 Lucas RT after trade back
72 Tindall LB
90 Williams Edge (from trade back)
109 Pierce RB
If we could pull that off, I think it would be a great start to the rebuild! I don’t know if Tindall will last to 72, Williams to 90, or Pierce to 109 though! If not, maybe we wait on center and take Zach Tom at 109?
Thoughts?
Go Hawks!
If they go Tom it gives them a chance to get impact defense one in the next round. And again in the third.
Still trying to guess where Pierce goes? Third? Early fourth?
Jones or Mafe, and Lucas
They like Walker. Me too.