Honest question Rob…might a team draft Jordan to be a TE?
He looks like he could be a better Jermichael Finley. Similar body types, but Jordan looks even faster, more flexible and fluid. Can’t help but imagine that athleticism/size on offense.
I wondered this at the start of the year because that’s what he played in high school. He didn’t look like a great pass rusher prior to 2012, just a great athlete playing DE. But he’s actually matured into a pretty effective edge rusher and for that reason, I think it’s worth sticking it out. Have to say though – wish Oregon had at least used him on offense initially. Imagine that frame at TE. Scary. Perhaps he has terrible hands?
MJ
Interesting indeed…
What about playing WIL? He seems like he could be a staff favorite of the Hawks, due to his “uniqueness.”
I see him as a pure 3-4 OLB personally, rushing the passer with the athleticism to drop when needed. At a push he could be a specialist 4-3 rusher as we see in Seattle. He’ll be an impact player in the right defense.
Michael
Yes it’s November, but I’m calling it right now… I can’t see this guy getting past the Jets (at or around #10 overall). Despite taking Coples this year, they still need to improve their pass rush, and if they can address that need while simultaneously getting a guy to cover Gronk down in the redzone, how do you pass that up?
Kenny Sloth
Check out Zac Dysert, QB for Miami of Ohio. He’s got a live arm and great pocket presence. He has a quick release and a throws lasers. He has absolutely no help. Pretty slow through progressions. Could be a sleeper. Worth a look in even the early third, if you ask me.
Mike Mauti looks like a decent Will. He’s got the knee problems, but is a good pass rusher. Has great speed, superb coverage abilities and a high motor. Worth a look late.
Kenny Sloth
Michael Buchanan is a guy to watch, he’s a quick twitch DE that replaced Whitney Mercilus at Illinois. He’s got long arms and is really agile. He’s thrown out a spin move a couple of times that is just absolutely brutal. Struggles to fight through traffic, but looks like a solid LEO, could be a good guy to bring in on nickel packages, check him out if you haven’t.
Kenny Sloth
He gets bullied in run responsibilities sometimes.
When I was trying to watching Whitney Mercilus vids last year, all I could ever see was Buchanan. I did this writeup then: http://tinyurl.com/ayzpgz5.
Since then I’ve tried to keep my eye out for him. He hasn’t taken over and dominated the way I’d hoped, and given his issues in run support, I’m not sure he’ll ever be able to play a straight-up 4-3 DE. I think he could be a legit option at LEO, and he could potentially make a living as a rush ‘backer in a 3-4, perhaps an aggressive one-gapping scheme like the one Wade Phillips runs.
Kenny Sloth
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
Chris
I like him, but in the Hawks defense I can only see him playing LEO and pass rushing LE like Irvin.
He doesn’t have much “sand” in his pants for the run game, but I do like his long arms and it seems he is a very solid tackler. He reminded me a bit of Irvin when closing in on a guy. Of Irvin’s good traits, what I liked even watching his college film was that his long arms were a true asset when tackling a guy. There seemed to be good strength in his wrists and forearms that allowed him to pull down a guy that other players seem to “miss”. Jordan’s long wing span seems to be something he uses pretty well when tackling. Jordan also seems to be a guy that can beat a tackle using his long arms and quirky strength. Compared to our LEO of the future, Bruce Irvin, I feel Jordan is more comfortable using his hands and body to gain an advantage, but like any young pass rushers it’s difficult/impossible to project them against NFL left tackles. His speed off the line is also only average, unlike Irvin’s. This guy seems to have an upside to be more of a “complete” pass rusher, while Irvin is a freak speed guy that may, or may not, ever learn the counter moves to keep him from being a bust.
I remember watching videos of JPP before the draft a few years ago and this guy reminds me a bit of him. They both bounced around a bit at the line, dropping into coverage sometimes, or getting cute with the offensive tackles testing out their athleticism on pass rushes. JPP seemed like a pretty bad pass rusher overall from his college tape (but an obvious athletic freak while doing it, if that makes any sense) … sometimes giving up on his rush half way through, but it always seemed like he was bouncing around trying lots of different things that often ended up with a big tackle just sticking their arms into his chest and shoving him backwards. His athleticism for his size was obvious though. I feel the same way in general about this guy, but I don’t know if his athleticism is really freakish enough to overcome his current lack of power or top-end speed. He bounces around, he “tries” stuff while many pass rushers are boring one-trick ponies, but he may end up as a guy that an NFL tackle sticks their big paws into the middle of his chest and shoves him out of the play almost every time.
As an upside I think Jordan COULD be a good LEO if he gets better overall … with nothing specific being his weakness. In our defense I guess he could also be a pass rushing LE, but I don’t see the Hawks drafting another pure pass rushing LDE, without future LEO possiblities, unless they’ve lost faith in Irvin which seems unlikely at this point.
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Honest question Rob…might a team draft Jordan to be a TE?
He looks like he could be a better Jermichael Finley. Similar body types, but Jordan looks even faster, more flexible and fluid. Can’t help but imagine that athleticism/size on offense.
I wondered this at the start of the year because that’s what he played in high school. He didn’t look like a great pass rusher prior to 2012, just a great athlete playing DE. But he’s actually matured into a pretty effective edge rusher and for that reason, I think it’s worth sticking it out. Have to say though – wish Oregon had at least used him on offense initially. Imagine that frame at TE. Scary. Perhaps he has terrible hands?
Interesting indeed…
What about playing WIL? He seems like he could be a staff favorite of the Hawks, due to his “uniqueness.”
I see him as a pure 3-4 OLB personally, rushing the passer with the athleticism to drop when needed. At a push he could be a specialist 4-3 rusher as we see in Seattle. He’ll be an impact player in the right defense.
Yes it’s November, but I’m calling it right now… I can’t see this guy getting past the Jets (at or around #10 overall). Despite taking Coples this year, they still need to improve their pass rush, and if they can address that need while simultaneously getting a guy to cover Gronk down in the redzone, how do you pass that up?
Check out Zac Dysert, QB for Miami of Ohio. He’s got a live arm and great pocket presence. He has a quick release and a throws lasers. He has absolutely no help. Pretty slow through progressions. Could be a sleeper. Worth a look in even the early third, if you ask me.
Dysert tape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOdI99eC8ao&feature=g-u-u
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT4YTB8PDDU&feature=g-u-u
Mike Mauti looks like a decent Will. He’s got the knee problems, but is a good pass rusher. Has great speed, superb coverage abilities and a high motor. Worth a look late.
Michael Buchanan is a guy to watch, he’s a quick twitch DE that replaced Whitney Mercilus at Illinois. He’s got long arms and is really agile. He’s thrown out a spin move a couple of times that is just absolutely brutal. Struggles to fight through traffic, but looks like a solid LEO, could be a good guy to bring in on nickel packages, check him out if you haven’t.
He gets bullied in run responsibilities sometimes.
When I was trying to watching Whitney Mercilus vids last year, all I could ever see was Buchanan. I did this writeup then: http://tinyurl.com/ayzpgz5.
Since then I’ve tried to keep my eye out for him. He hasn’t taken over and dominated the way I’d hoped, and given his issues in run support, I’m not sure he’ll ever be able to play a straight-up 4-3 DE. I think he could be a legit option at LEO, and he could potentially make a living as a rush ‘backer in a 3-4, perhaps an aggressive one-gapping scheme like the one Wade Phillips runs.
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
I like him, but in the Hawks defense I can only see him playing LEO and pass rushing LE like Irvin.
He doesn’t have much “sand” in his pants for the run game, but I do like his long arms and it seems he is a very solid tackler. He reminded me a bit of Irvin when closing in on a guy. Of Irvin’s good traits, what I liked even watching his college film was that his long arms were a true asset when tackling a guy. There seemed to be good strength in his wrists and forearms that allowed him to pull down a guy that other players seem to “miss”. Jordan’s long wing span seems to be something he uses pretty well when tackling. Jordan also seems to be a guy that can beat a tackle using his long arms and quirky strength. Compared to our LEO of the future, Bruce Irvin, I feel Jordan is more comfortable using his hands and body to gain an advantage, but like any young pass rushers it’s difficult/impossible to project them against NFL left tackles. His speed off the line is also only average, unlike Irvin’s. This guy seems to have an upside to be more of a “complete” pass rusher, while Irvin is a freak speed guy that may, or may not, ever learn the counter moves to keep him from being a bust.
I remember watching videos of JPP before the draft a few years ago and this guy reminds me a bit of him. They both bounced around a bit at the line, dropping into coverage sometimes, or getting cute with the offensive tackles testing out their athleticism on pass rushes. JPP seemed like a pretty bad pass rusher overall from his college tape (but an obvious athletic freak while doing it, if that makes any sense) … sometimes giving up on his rush half way through, but it always seemed like he was bouncing around trying lots of different things that often ended up with a big tackle just sticking their arms into his chest and shoving him backwards. His athleticism for his size was obvious though. I feel the same way in general about this guy, but I don’t know if his athleticism is really freakish enough to overcome his current lack of power or top-end speed. He bounces around, he “tries” stuff while many pass rushers are boring one-trick ponies, but he may end up as a guy that an NFL tackle sticks their big paws into the middle of his chest and shoves him out of the play almost every time.
As an upside I think Jordan COULD be a good LEO if he gets better overall … with nothing specific being his weakness. In our defense I guess he could also be a pass rushing LE, but I don’t see the Hawks drafting another pure pass rushing LDE, without future LEO possiblities, unless they’ve lost faith in Irvin which seems unlikely at this point.