Mario Edwards Jr. to meet with the Seahawks

This is an intriguing development. As Garafolo notes, the Seahawks would probably have to trade up to have any shot at drafting him. So what’s the deal?

Jason La Canfora wrote a piece recently suggesting the media were missing a trick by not mocking Edwards Jr. in the first round:

“Why aren’t any of you guys writing about Mario Edwards?” one evaluator asked. “I look around the Internet at these mock drafts and I don’t think I’ve seen him in the first round in one of them. He’s not showing up in any of them. I think you’re missing on him. He’s going to surprise some people. I think he goes in the first round. In this [not overly talented] draft, he’s definitely a first-rounder for me.”

For what it’s worth, in my years of dealing with this particular scout, he has been overwhelmingly right. He’s a big reason why I called for Deone Buchannon going in the first round before last year’s draft. The hard-hitting safety largely was considered a mid-round guy who ended up going 27th overall. And this phenomenon occurs seemingly every year, be it Bruce Irvin or Tyson Alualu or Kyle Long. It’s part of the process, and reactions I got from some evaluators regarding Edwards was pretty telling.

Some were loathe to talk about him because, well, they would prefer I not write this column. They would prefer no one shine a light on Edwards. When the same names of defensive linemen show up over and over in mock drafts, you get a lot of smiles in the scouting community. They’re perfectly fine with it. They don’t want a lot of hype about a kid who they think may be falling through the cracks.

La Canfora suggests Edwards Jr. could be a top twenty pick, naming the Minnesota Vikings at #11 as a possible landing spot.

I haven’t mocked him in any of my two-round projections because, quite frankly, his 2014 tape is incredibly average. He isn’t a good pass rusher. Yet nobody can deny his potential and upside. If you want evidence of his freakish athleticism, well here you go:

Mike Mayock recently named him as one of the biggest draft risers:

“Back in August, he was over 300 pounds. At the combine, 279 — 272 at his pro day. Now he looks like a base defensive end who can kick inside on sub-packages. That gets some teams excited.”

However, Mayock also adds:

“The question is, though, now that you’re paying him as a second-round pick, which guy are you getting, the 300-pounder or the 272-pounder with an edge?”

So La Canfora is saying potential top-20, Mayock round two. If teams are having that kind of debate internally, why wouldn’t the Seahawks take a look? Is he intriguing enough to consider moving up for? We’ve debated a lot about how they might trade up for one of the top eight receivers in the class. If they are starting to believe none of those options will fall beyond the #50 pick (allowing them to spend one fourth rounder to move up 10-12 spots) are they looking for alternatives?

Are they of the opinion that none of the realistic options at #63 provide value so moving up is what they want to do? Whether it’s for a receiver or another position?

If that is the case, it makes absolute sense to take a look. According to La Canfora there’s little chance Edwards Jr. drops beyond pick #50. If he’s a second rounder as Mayock projects (and a second rounder with some question marks) — it’s a possible target.

Just not, in my opinion, at defensive end.

He’s 6-2 and a half, and ran a 4.84 at the combine at 279lbs. He’s since slimmed down to 272lbs. He has 33-and-a-quarter inch arms and recorded a 10′ in the broad jump. He’s not a sack artist (7.5 in three seasons) and that is the main issue here. He doesn’t look like a natural pass rusher. At all. In terms of size and athleticism, he’s interesting. But is he just another typical FSU defensive end who’s all style and no substance?

His dad played corner in the NFL so the bloodlines are there. You just wonder if they view him as a project to work inside — perhaps as a full time three-tech. He has the ideal height and weight for that (if he gets back up to the 285lbs range). He plays the run well enough and he ticks the right boxes in terms of arm length (minimum 33-inches). He’d still be a bit of a project but he offers so little excitement as an edge guy.

If we’re talking about a pure DE I’d put him behind even the likes of Frank Clark (see below). He’s a better 3-4 end where the stoutness would provide some benefit against the run. As a 4-3 D-end? I’d pass in round three. There’s just nothing off the snap, no juice. No great get-off or speed. Clark’s a bigger pass rusher but still finds a way to impact a game with splash plays. Edwards Jr’s total lack of production at FSU isn’t a coincidence. Was he too big? Very possible. But it’s a gamble to assume he can be effective 20lbs lighter. You might still be left with a weak edge rusher who suddenly isn’t as effective versus the run.

You don’t see great hand usage — the most underrated skill (in my opinion) for a D-end. If he isn’t winning with speed or get off let’s see a great bull rush or the ability to swipe away a tackle and compete to the quarterback or ball carrier. Too often he just gets tangled up in a pointless battle out of the play, failing to disengage.

Part of these visits will be to really find out what you’re getting. I suspect Seattle met with South Carolina running back Mike Davis because his 2013 tape is vastly superior to the 2014 stuff. He’s struggled with conditioning. So how good is he? How dedicated is he? Bringing him in could be about answering those questions. This could be the same situation with Edwards Jr.

Even if he falls a bit, they’d have to believe he’s one heck of a three technique in the making. It still feels somewhat inevitable that Seattle’s first pick in this 2015 draft will involve a move up to get a receiver or the best offensive lineman on their board at #63.

Let’s also not rule out the possibility of a smokescreen or some advanced scouting. Is he a well known target for another member of the NFC West? You can never rule anything out — although Seattle has consistently drafted from their pool of visits. I imagine they’re genuinely intrigued by Edwards Jr. and want to find out more.

I also wanted to pass on this article by Matt Hardman. He has Dorial Green-Beckham rated as his #1 receiver in this class:

He certainly runs more routes than given credit for, and that was apparent in his Reception Perception study. Even with inconsistent route running technique, he effortlessly separates from coverage. Those same movement skills translate to when he has the ball in his hands. If he is put in the right role, Green-Beckham will amass up a ton of yards after the catch in the NFL. It would certainly help if he had some better route and technical skills, but even without them, there is nothing he cannot do on the football field.

We’ve debated DGB’s ‘special’ qualities and how they compare to several other more athletic receivers in this 2015 group. Essentially, none of them can do what DGB does. None ’tilt the field’ like DGB (Mike Mayock used that term to describe him). He may not fall into range beyond pick #50 (although there’s every chance). Out of all the receivers the Seahawks might trade up for, he remains the one to monitor the closest.

Jaelen Strong’s stock could be impacted by the news he’s fractured a bone in his wrist. Ian Rapoport says Strong will need surgery at some point this year.

We mentioned Frank Clark earlier…

Last month we discussed Clark in two articles here and here. He could go anywhere from rounds 2-5 (or even later depending on how teams view the red flags). He is a terrific pass rusher though.

ULL’s prolific pass rusher Christian Ringo also has a visit scheduled in Seattle. Here’s some tape:

A final note today — Virginia Tech’s athletic offensive tackle Laurence Gibson will meet with the Seahawks. He only has one year of starting experience but excelled at the combine and could easily be a day three target.


  1. CHawk Talker Eric

    I don’t see a R1 prospect in Edwards, but nobody pays me for my opinion either.

    Since I’m offering it, I think the reason for his visit is SEA doing their due diligence – if he is available at 63 it would be nice to have already made a decision about him.

    But I also think they’re making comparisons to other prospects they have on their board.

    • J2 MED

      Agreed…kind of like a BPA draft board consideration

  2. KHawk

    Could Jaelen Strong drop to us? Is he more BMW or Anquan Boldin?

    • Rob Staton

      He doesn’t play with Boldin’s tenacity. Few do.

      For me he might be a Jonathan Baldwin. Capable of a highlight reel plays. Athletic. Good size. But struggles to get open and make the cheap plays.

      • UKHawkDavid

        So does that mean he could be the WR1 we’re looking for, or just another WR2/3/4?

        Oh, and if Rotherham could be Norwich on the 25th, that would be much appreciated (consider it payback for us beating Millwaall on Saturday).

        • Rob Staton

          I’ll pass the message on to the Rotherham team 🙂

          As for Strong, I’ve never been that impressed with him.

          • hmabdou

            Yup. I don’t see a good, crisp route-runner when I watch Jaelen Strong. Like many really talented WR’s in college, he seems to try to win mainly with his physical advantages. In the NFL those advantages won’t be there (or will be minimized).

            I prefer route-runners like Amari Cooper, and like Odell Beckham last year.

  3. peter

    Thanks for the write up Rob about his visit. I watched his cutups quite some time ago and my eye isn’t the most developed plus I like what I like in a player but to me he’s a JAG. I’d rather see Preston smith or trey flowers or hell short armed but tenacious Markus golden well above Mario Edwards Jr.

    Laurence Gibson however perks the old ears up. Not sold on him yet but definitely not down on him in any way

  4. cha

    “He only has one year of starting experience but excelled at the combine and could easily be a day three target”

    Sounds like a Seahawks OL draft pick if I ever heard one LOL.

  5. Steele1324

    I am with most who see not much in Edwards. Just unimpressive all around, a rotational D lineman, who can’t pass rush. Like Mike Davis, I sincerely hope this is smokescreen or due diligence than genuine interest. Both of them are underwhelming. But then again, why go to the trouble of wasting the limited allowed visits on just due diligence?

    Laurence Gibson, on the other hand, merits real interest.

    If Jaelen Strong falls because of a broken wrist, I don’t expect him to fall so far that he would be in range for the Hawks. He is the right type of tall WR I think they need to target.

    I have really started to warm up to Ty Montgomery, who may be a better receiver than many, including me, thought. He does have a pretty technical game, it’s just a matter of refinement. He also had a lousy QB throwing to him:

    As for DGB, a shot at him looks more and more remote. I am struggling with the idea of any tradeup for any of the bigger names vs. staying put, focusing on OL at the top. Montgomery can flip the field with returns, so no need for Dorsett or Lockett. Someone like Dezmin Lewis can do the Sidney Rice job. And there is Conley.

    • Therick05

      I prefer Kikaha, Clark or Davis Tull in later rounds than Edwarda Jr in second round. I dont think se need to use a 3rd round pick in Mike Davis. Laurence Gibson seem like a good late round pick.

      Ty Montgomery is a great option in 4th or 5th, unlike you, i think Strong and DGB’s stocks are falling, Jaelen because of the broken bone and Dorial because of this hole thing between Hernandez, Rice and others. Agholor is rumored to get picked by PHI in rd 1, Devin Smith is a great fit for Ravens at rd 1, Perriman is going early because of his 40 time, same with Dorsett, that really makes me think that DGB/Strong is going to fall and SEA will trade up.

    • Rob Staton

      “As for DGB, a shot at him looks more and more remote”

      Nothing has changed in the last two weeks to make it a remote possibility (or increasingly remote) he falls beyond #50. It is very possible.

      • Steele1324

        Rob, I think the trade up scenario for DGB is dicey to begin with. Do we really think he drops below #50? And then they’d have to find willing trade partners. His freakishness is impossible to ignore. The closer the draft gets, the more teams have to be looking for reasons to put their reservations aside. At least that is my gut feeling.

        • CHawk Talker Eric

          While it’s entirely possible he falls to the low 50s, I think he’s gone by 49 at the latest. Too many teams from NO at 44 on that really need WR badly. I think whichever of NO, MIN or SF that doesn’t take Devante Parker in R1 will take DGB in R2 if he’s there. That’s my gut feeling.

          • volume12

            Personally, I’m a big fan of WR Ty Montgomery. I’ve always liked him. His upbringing is very unique ans ‘Seahawky.’

            • Rik

              I agree. He’s a strong kid with burst and elusiveness. And a great returner.

            • David M2

              V-12 you’re back!!

              Was starting to think it wasn’t your charger anymore and was about to put out an MPA on you.

              • Volume12

                LOL. Back just in time!!

          • CharlieTheUnicorn

            Teams could double dip.. WR/WR in RD 1 and 2… there are teams, such as Oakland that have a poor WR group as a whole.. and could use 2 play makers.

            • Steele1324

              In any case, I think their chances of DGB are slim. I hope they land another tall target if they don’t manage to get him.

        • Rob Staton

          I’m not sure there’s anything new at this stage to change the situation. He’s a gamble and will fall beyond a certain point. Eventually the value becomes too much.

  6. Ed

    We need to come away with 2 starters.

    2nd Coates/Funches/Green/Lockett
    3rd Miller/Morse/Havenstein/Galik

    2nd Sambrillo/Ogbuehi/Grasu/Marpet
    3rd McBride/Hardy/Conley/Lewis

    Coates/Funchess and Morse/Miller would give us the best ability to do that.

    2nd Coates/Funchess (SE)
    3rd Morse/Miller (OG)
    4th Montgomery (WR/KR)
    4th Riddick (DE)
    4th Mason (C)

    • Rob Staton

      I find it very hard to get excited about Coates or Funchess in Seattle.

      • CC

        Agree with Rob on Coates and Funchess. Coates doesn’t catch the ball well – not a hands catcher – makes too many mental errors to be a Seahawk in my view. Funchess, is an okay WR, and I don’t think he would fit in our offense. Funchess should have stuck to coming out as a TE and could have been at the top.

        • 12thManderson

          Of those options I find myself FAR more excited about the O’Lineman OPTIONS we’ll have at our disposal Throughout the WHOLE draft. There are good slot recievers in the draft this year but we don’t NEED a slot guy, ADB does his most damage in slot and it’s personally difficult for me to pull him and move him from that position NOW…. because… of… JIMMY! The simple idea of ADB (majority of the time), being lined up same side, inside and outside of JG looks (in my seamagination vision) absolutely mind blowing. So my view is we’re looking at possession or savvy flanker recievers 6’0″ and above. We need possible replacements for Kearse (contract), Lockette, Norwood, McNeill, and Smith (competition). Personally this draft is ALMOST is favorable round for round in our favor…. it just needs to play itself out already!!

          • Steele1324

            I admit to some irresponsible excitement about both Coates and Funchess. Each is high risk. They do possess “potentially” field flipping characteristics, especially Coates.

            I think there are other big targets. And there are game breaking types with similar explosiveness as Coates.

          • CC

            I have said it before – I’m obsessed with Seattle finding a tall receiver, but getting Jimmy helped ease my concerns. As much as I would like to see a splash with a WR at 63, I’d rather see us get an OL guy – because it is a need and this draft is full of good lineman. Highest rated on their board at 63 and then one in the 4/5 and 6th.

            • CHawk Talker Eric

              I know this is an imperfect analogy but draft prospects are kind of like cars. The skill positions (both offense and defense) are sports cars and linemen, particularly OL, are the trucks and SUVs.

              When you go shopping for a sports car, you want it quick, agile, balanced, full of performance technology. That kind of car is expensive. Think Porsche or Ferrari (or even Corvette now). Sure you can buy a Scion or a Mustang for a lot less, but you’ll know it every time you drive it.

              When you go shopping for a truck, you want it big, strong, capable of handling a workload. That kind of vehicle doesn’t need to be expensive to be effective. Oh sure, you can spend the big money on an Escalade. But at the end of the day, it won’t do much more for you than a base Tahoe.

              There’s no denying the team’s need for OL help. But as you pointed out, this draft is full of good lineman, so full that I’m willing to bet at least one team finds a starter on Day 3/UDFA.

              If the BPA at 63 is a top OL prospect, and SEA takes him, great. But with a draft class as deep as this, SEA can afford to wait until later to address the position.

      • ontoic

        What I like about Funchess is that he’s not really a topic of conversation, yet he’s a unique player. The initial buzz about him was significant. And everyone seems to have forgotten about him because of a middling performance in the combine. I still think he’s a unique player. I wonder if he could be a Delaney Walker type with some more development. He’s a guy that the Hawks might find a use for. I cannot totally disregard my first impression about his uniqueness when the combine was approaching. That was based only on film and his size.

  7. AlaskaHawk

    I’m thinking DGB will go in the first round or early second. So that leaves the seahawks with picking the #8-10 wide receiver off the board. Or they will tale care pf tjeor meeds amd pick an elite wide receiver at #32 next year.

    There is a good chance that the Seahawks first pick is defensive line. I just don’t think it will be Edwards. Instead it will be someone with size and ability to collapse the pocket. Dan Kelly with field gulls had the Seahawks picking Grady Jarrett, DT from Clemson, and Bobby McCain, Nickleback from Memphis. Those are as good guesses as anyones.

    I would like to come out of this draft with the Seahawks entire offensive line of the future. They need a center and a guard, and may need a left tackle next year. I really want them to have enough players and competition that the line stays together for the next 3 or 4 years. It would make a giant difference in run blocking and pass protection. I don’t care if that means the first two picks are offense or the middle two picks, or where ever. But they have to take care of the offensive lines inconsistencies once and for all.

    • Rob Staton

      Some teams won’t be interested in DGB until he reaches a certain point. A fall deep into the second far from out of the question.

      I’ll be surprised if Seattle goes defense with its first two picks.

      • peter

        But would you be at all surprised if defense was one of the first two picks? Double dipping in defense against data that shows offense is their draw seems a bit much. for me almost all of the oline players available when Seattle picks is/are not separated by enough that not getting one (say marpet or maybe sambraillo) in round two or three changes the quality vs. Poole/morse/gibson at four or five. That’s why I think defense in one of the first two picks. Or it wouldn’t bum me out or surprise I mean.

        • Steele1324

          Considering the depth at D line already on the roster, between returning veterans and recently signed reserves, and Rubin, taking a D linemen at #63 would be overkill. But worse, it would mean missing out on a big name WR and a top O-lineman like Sambrailo or Grasu.

          • peter

            Steele with respect d line is not overkill when they currently have run stuffers and two injured pass rushers from the inside. I know there are a ton of bodies but literally none of them have amounted to much ( the dobbs’) or are situational bodies to see what sticks (Rubin, all the practice squad guys) actually where I disagree with a lot of people is I see it as a need and if not a need then a position that can constantly be improved on kik any position but with significant and tangible gains.

            And by taking someone at 63 or in the nineties is a pass on only one of those positions not both. Plus you’re referencing a top olinemen only in relation to our pick but not the draft being that our first pick I basically the third round. Top talent is gone. Now sambraillo and grasu are good/great prospects but one or the other could probably be had at the third round.

            My question is a “need” at LG improved greatly and so much so at the 63rd pick that that is definitely the pick or I another position going to be improved upon more greatly with a player in that spot? The way I see it since they pick way closer to the mid rounds then the beginning of the draft is any player/position is in play for that 2nd round pick.

            • Steele1324

              Aren’t all of the injured D linemen expected to be recovered by training camp? Doesn’t JSPC have high confidence in Hill, Marsh, etc. ? They are not just situational bodies. The reserves might be, but who knows if there is a starter in there.

              • peter

                I like. Hill and marsh’s potential but its two years in a row with an injury to Hill and marsh so far is all a guess. Having an interior presence that collapses the pocket and moves the QB is one of the foundations of the Walsh/Carrol defensive philosophy that’s just where my concern lies.

        • Rob Staton

          “But would you be at all surprised if defense was one of the first two picks?”

          I could see it, but the biggest needs are all on offense and SEA has consistently gone after those bigger needs in the early rounds (with the exception of Christine Michael in 2013, but that roster was loaded with minimal needs).

          • peter

            Absolutely your data supports that it will be two offense picks back to back. It your deduction that they do that due to carrols defensive background makes a ton of sense. My struggle this year comes down to the saying “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result…..” in that regard I would go more bpa with the picks and open up the teams parameters as that most of us think Oline per example needs an improvement? And the Wr corps can be overhauled? But the same people picking this years oline are the same people who picked carp/moffit/ probably Britt too early. And its the same people who let their best reciever go for probably personal reasons….and picked non starting non contributing body after fourth round body are at it again.

            I think you’re right it what happens but I just wonder if this time next year there will be the calls yet again to fix the oline get an actual dominating WR. I think the team should honestly get back to competition and pick say three Oline (but not necessarily/just for need in round two) and instead of saying like carp “well you’re the starter,” have some sort of positional battle.

            • AlaskaHawk

              I agree that Seahawks need to pick offensive line early and keep picking throughout the draft. There is no value for receivers at #63, or maybe I should say the value is the same from mid second round to the fifth round.

              I also agree that we can find offensive linemen any round, but picking then early gives a better chance of a starter. That is the one thing I really want is for the Seahawks to find their starting offensive line for the next four years.

      • CharlieTheUnicorn

        There was an article on Field Gulls that talked about percentages of players who were offense and defense taken by Seattle in the first few rounds. Surprisingly, they have tended to go offense in the first few rounds, while going defense later in the drafts… on average, since 2010.

        WR and OL look like the likely direction of Seattle in the 2nd round. I would rather get the top 2 guard or top 8 OT, than get a top 10-15 WR. Maybe they will go against trends, but offense looks like the pick in the 2nd.

        • peter

          The data definitely shows this pattern. I’m all for it I just want actual competition and to see I say Gilliam can start or two possible guards instead one in the second and letting them start without competition even if that goes great. Lets face Cable is great at patching things together but he has a tendency like Carp to play his guy when in reality with Carps injuries/conditioning there were games when Bailey probably would have done better.

          • CC

            Gilliam is a big guy – did anyone look at his college tape? It would be great if he could come in and get himself in the mix at guard.

            • Robert

              He’s a SPARQ freak with good length and nimble feet. If he is working hard this off season to add 15-20 pounds of good weight and functional strength, I think he will challenge Britt, which would allow him to move to LG where he is better suited.Then again, maybe Britt is working on his foot quickness and punches, which could greatly improve his pass blocking.

    • Matt M.

      If Hawks draft a D Lineman in the 2nd round I will be surprised–but I usually am surprised by their early picks so I suppose that would be par for the course.

      I agree with most here–I don’t see the value in Mario Edwards. At FSU he seemed like a run-stopping DE in a 3-4 with little pass rushing ability. For the Hawks, it seems like his best fit could be at 3 technique in the mold of Jordan Hill. So he would have to bulk up in that scenario. With other more pressing needs on the team–OL, WR, KR/PR–using the 2nd rounder on a DL seems unwise. And if Edwards requires a big trade up then it seems like an even worse idea.

      • Volume12

        I’m with Peter on this one. I too think that Seattle should target an offensive lineman with their first overall pick, but Peter is right in that this team needs a couple more defensive lineman.

        I mean the writing is on the wall guys. Looks at all of the VMAC visitors. The majority of them are D-linman. ,And hyrbrid types. They,’ll take 2 d-lineman and a hybrid pass rusher at the SAM position, like a Reshard Cliett, Davis Tull, Josh Shirley, Sam Wren. Someone like that.

  8. CC

    Doesn’t this happen every year? Guys who are “under the radar” suddenly move up into the 1st round? Some of these guys work out, while a bunch of them are called “busts” because they weren’t starters. Maybe if they had been drafted appropriately, they would be called contributors and might have been okay. Take guys from the 2009 draft – a bunch of D line guys who rose up the board and were awful.

    I have no idea if Edwards is good or bad – but there were a bunch of those scout types and talking heads who said Aaron Curry was “can’t miss.” Sometimes it is the player and sometimes it is the team that drafts him. Since Seattle looks at what a player can do vs what he can’t do, they have better odds that someone they draft can be successful.

    15 days until the draft – 16 for all of us Seahawk fans!

    • CharlieTheUnicorn

      Let’s be fair, that whole 1st round was terrible. Yes, there were some players that emerged, but the top of the draft has been underwhelming to say the least.

  9. David Ess

    Have heard things about this guy

    Do the #Seahawks know a little something about pass-rushers? ULL DT Christian Ringo, who @PFF’s college site loves, is visiting Seattle— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 15, 2015

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      That SEA would be interested in Ringo over his teammate Justin Hamilton tells me they’re still out for pass rushers, not gap stoppers and run stuffers.

      Ringo was as much a beneficiary of Hamilton’s interior presence as Beasley was of Jarrett.

      • CharlieTheUnicorn

        History Lesson: This reminds me a “certain” TE taken from Rice a few years back.

        • CHawk Talker Eric

          Interesting suggestion.

          I’d almost call Hamilton a poor man’s Grady Jarrett but the more I think about it the more he reminds me of Mebane – a genuine 2-gap 1T who can handle the double team and occasionally push the pocket.

      • Drew

        As good as I think Jarrett its, Jarrett is the one who benefited more from Beasley. I’ve watched every Clemson game over the last several years and believe me…Beasley is the real deal. He has tremendous speed and explosion off the line, beating LTs on the edge, forcing the QB to step up in the pocket that Jarrett would collapse.

        What I love most about Beasley is his added weight and strength, because even though he has good counter moves and spin moves, the weight/strength addition will help him anchor against the run.

        I hope either the Jags or Atlanta get him. He’d be a great LEO.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Guess they’re interested in both.

      This may be a Christian Ringo highlight film, but keep your eye on the guy next to him (#6). That’s Justin Hamilton, and to my eye, he’s the one taking on double teams, collapsing the pocket and flushing the QB, etc.

  10. CHawk Talker Eric

    This comment probably should go in the last post about how SEA drafts O early but whatever.

    JS/PC may not be predictable, but they are creatures of habit. As such, their first pick is likely to be WR or OL – possibly DGB at 63 or by way of a trade up; or possibly the top OL on their board at 63 or – and this is unlikely but possible – their top non-DGB WR or OL by way of trade down from 63 to around mid 70s.

    It’s entirely possible that when pick 63 comes up, SEA’s “guy” could be had somewhere in the 73-76 range – someone like Lockett or Sambrailo. If they can get their guy by trading down and picking up and extra R4, why not? They just need an interested trade partner. ATL might be interested in trading their 73 + 146 for SEA’s 63. It’s a good deal for ATL in terms of pick value, and it’s a good deal for SEA getting 4 picks between 100-150 (112,130,134,146).

    If not ATL, maybe MIN would trade their 76 + either #110 or Cordarrelle Patterson.

    I’m working these things over in my mind because certain prospects might fall into certain rounds. For example, ASU FS Damarious Randall has been mocked anywhere between early R2 and late R4. SEA worked him out – he’s a versatile DB in the mold of ET3 – a heavy-hitting punishing tackler who is effective in run support but quick enough to cover the slot or attack deep routes. He’s been described as an instinctive blocker who “explodes into targets and jolts his victims.”

    There’s no reason for SEA to spend a high pick on a player who will, in all likelihood, sit on the bench behind ET3. At the same time, and no disrespect to DeShawn Shead, SEA lacks a viable back up for the lynch pin of the LOB. A prospect like Randall not only could back up ET3, but also could compete for the nickel corner spot. He’s definitely worth one of SEA’s R4 picks.

    Randall is just one example of a potential high value mid round prospect linked to SEA.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      *instinctive BLIZTER (not blocker)

      • AlaskaHawk

        I think they will pick the high round wide receiver next year when they have a first round pick. Assuming they don’t trade it away again – which is a pretty big assumption at this point.

        • Rob Staton

          I’m not sure why you’d push this need into next year, to address a lesser need instead.

          • AlaskaHawk

            I’m figuring they pick receivers both this year and next. I just think there is a better chance of picking up a #1 receiver with a first round draft pick next year. I do hope that who ever they pick this year can make the team. There will be some excellent mid size and smurf receivers available in the 4th round. If Matthews and the tight ends can stay healthy then maybe a few more smurfs would give the Seahawks an advantage.

    • Ho Lee Chit

      Actually, I have worked out this very scenario on Fanspeak numerous times. The Hawks move back about 7 – 10 spots by trading with Oakland, Atlanta, Washington or NYJ from R2.31 to let’s say R3.9. At this point you could probably select from (Marpet, Jaquisi Tartt or Damarious Randall ). Then you use the extra pick(s) you gained to move up from R3.31 7-10 spots with Detroit. You may fill two needs this way with premium players. It just depends on how the board is set up and who they are targeting in the mid third round area.

      Damarous Randall is one of the few safeties that have a similar skill set and body type to ET. He could also fill the teams need for a nickle corner.

    • Steele1324

      Going for Randall with one of the high picks would prevent them from going for DGB or a big name WR, and they would also miss out on OL options. Why would they look for safety depth at all before rd. 5-6? D. Shead is fine, Dion Bailey is a SS who should compete. Pinkins hasn’t gotten his shot yet.

      Drummond, Eskridge, Sample, Geathers, Holliman in rd. 5 on down.

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        Well I did suggest they use one of their R4 picks – not what I would call high. If he lasts to 130, it wouldn’t affect SEA’s ability to trade up for DGB.

        Anyway I’m starting to think more of the mid round picks will be at positions where SEA lacks depth like FS, SS, NB, DE/DT instead of OL.

        SEA has worked out TENN ST. OG Robert Myers 6’5″/325/33.75″ A mountain of a man who reminds me a lot of James Carpenter (physically). He has tremendous lower body strength, can anchor against a bull rush, effective at pass pro. He’s a little soft in the middle and upper body who needs a season in an NFL weight room/conditioning program. He’s rumored to be very technically sound with a higher ceiling than many of the better known OGs in the draft. He’s considered a PUDFA, but I can see SEA pulling a Michael Bowie and drafting him at 248 or even 209.

      • Hawksince77

        It’s about value, and impact and depth. The premise of the position is that none of their targeted players are available at 63, and/or they are unwilling to trade up, and they believe they can move back in the draft to get their guy plus another pick.

        Getting high-value impact players is what it’s all about, and drafting an ET-like talent is a rare opportunity, one that PC may be waiting for.

    • Hawksince77

      This is a guy I would be excited to see drafted by Seattle. I think quality depth in the secondary is more important to PC than many of us believe, particularly at safety.

      • volume12

        I like this Randall kid. Still like Kurtis Drummond though in say the 4th. He has all the intangibles and is such a great leader.

  11. David Ess

    Also this

    #Michigan DE Frank Clark is visiting the #Seahawks as well today, source said. Had just been in New Orleans— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 15, 2015

    • Rob Staton

      Article updated to include this news.

      • David ess

        Oh sorry my bad.

        • Rob Staton

          No need for an apology David — was just highlighting that there are now a few words on this included in the piece if anyone’s interested.

    • vrtkolman

      I know a lot of people won’t like this but Clark is a very nice prospect that Seattle could have a chance at taking later, much later than he should go. There is great value to be had there.

      • Steele1324

        Yes. Clark does offer a lot of what they need. On the field.

        There will be a publicity furor if they get both DGB and Clark. Haters would have a field day.

        I would go with someone like Shaq Riddick instead of Clark.

        • CharlieTheUnicorn

          Clark is trending toward a late 3rd round pick. I’ve been viewing the 3rd round pick as a luxury pick… need a pass rusher, go get a LEO or DE… need some depth at nickle CB or S… need another impact LB for depth…. I think this is a joker pick to be honest. BPA specifically on defense side of the ball.

          2nd OL (Fill need with quality player – prob starter)
          3rd DE/LEO, CB/S, LB (Luxury pick of best defensive athlete available, depth pick)
          4th WR, CB, WR (Fill needs, potential starter)
          5th DL, OL (Depth picks)
          etc etc etc

          • CharlieTheUnicorn

            I could also see RB going in the 3rd…. but that just seems to outlandish to entertain.
            “With the 3rd round pick, Seattle picks….. RB from….. ” You know they will zig when we zagged

            • Steele1324

              If rd.3 is the luxury pick?

              RB-Ajayi, Yeldon, David Johnson, Abdullah. Any of the first three would land a future starter. Abdullah is, to me, strictly change of pace.

              Leo-Frank Clark, Lo Mauldin. Clark is moving up the boards fast.

              CB- Alex Carter would probably be there. Not thrilling, but he has the physicals. If they put aside the arm length, PJ Williams, Senquez Golson. Golson is a major ballhawk, but tiny, nickel exclusive.

              • Steele1324

                DT Marcus Hardison.

                • peter

                  I think no pick aside from say Hundley in the second would be a luxury. We need LG but if and i assume this wouldn’t happen…but if Peters, Collins, Rowe were at the 63 spot would people really be upset I we drafted a CB 8 years younger then Williams to play even after paying Williams? And then they drafted Gibson, Poole, Morse later?

            • CHawk Talker Eric

              If they want FS Damarious Randall, they’ll probably have to take him at 95.

              Marcus Hardison would be a good pick (also Xavier Cooper).

              If the pick is EDGE and we’re talking high-ceiling prospects with sketchy off-field characters, I think SEA will take David Irving over Frank Clark. Same amount of character concern, but much higher ceiling.

        • franks

          I like Riddick better too, for our needs, he seems like he could step into Schofield’s place on the edge, whereas Clark looks like another Bennett/Marsh.

          Danny Kelly had an interesting second rounder for us in his mock DT Grady Jarrett, Clemson. 3 tech pass rusher.

  12. Steele1324

    Upon further review of film, I see Mario Edwards as a DT/3 technique. He is a hulking, edge-setting type, clogger, not bad against the run. Zero ability to rush from outside, slow, can power rush from inside on occasion. Pure inside guy, in my opinion.

    I think there are better prospects. Would they draft him for interior D line with some position versatility? Yes.

  13. bigDhawk

    Edwards…meh. In the unlikely event he falls to 63, sure, take him, but I wouldn’t trade picks to go up and get him.


    That Ringo video is interesting. He’s got that big bubble-butt that all good, disruptive interior defenders have. Reminds me a little of Jernigen from last draft. He could be another Jordan Hill that maybe stays healthy.

  14. therick05

    What you guys think about Vince Mayle?

    • Steele1324

      I like Mayle. What he does, he does smoothly. Good upside. However, I think his game is very raw. He doesn’t catch enough with his hands—kind of Kearse-like. Not the most explosive. At 6-2 224, he is a bigger receiver, and that’s good.

      I prefer Dezmin Lewis for this type of WR.Lewis is closer to being a starter.

    • Johnny

      Body catcher and S-L-O-W. He’s not very explosive but he does have decent length/height. There’s better options out there.

      • volume12

        They seemed to like Mayle at his pro day. I have a feeling if they take a big receiver this year it will be a small school kid like Lemar Durant.

    • CharlieTheUnicorn

      I think he is solid. He will be a later round pick, but might be able to have a nice career in the NFL… nothing spectacular.. but better than AJ Jenkins

      • Bill Bobaggins

        If you’re thinking Mayle, I’d rethink and target Kasen Williams instead. Yes, he lost a step after the ankle injury, but might be able to bounce back from that with time and some NFL PT. He’s about the same size as Mayle, but a more consistent catcher and a better prospect, IMO.

        • peter

          And can go up and get it for high passes and red line throws. I’m actually hoping they bring in Williams based on his 2013 tape

  15. Steele1324

    In case you didn’t notice, the SPARQ ratings have been updated to include pro days:

    Not to overemphasize workouts, but there interesting, even startling results. Many big names drop into the below average category, unknowns catapult into the top groups, etc.

    • Steele1324

      For example, two tall target sleepers land in the upper group.

      Tyrell Williams 6-3 210.

      Isiah Ferguson 6-5 218.

      Williams looks good. Ferguson is a giant, but completely raw and rough, gets away with it with his size.

      Both have higher scores than Waller.

      • rowdy

        Williams tape is impressive! He seemed to separate in every aspect. Off the line, through his cuts and after the catch. I see a lot of potential

      • Rik

        I’ve been hoping we could get Williams as UDFA, but that will probably change now with his numbers. Might have to pick him up round 6 or 7 if we want him. I also like Issac Blakeney as a late round, tall, athletic WR.

    • Madmark

      They been saying that the combine was a slow track this year. It seems to be true because everyone is doing better on their pro days.

    • Hawksince77

      Chris Conley at the top of the WRs. Kenny Bell not far behind. Woo hoo…

  16. volume12

    Hey guys. Just wanted to say that I’m back. I know its been awhile, but my surface was down and had to order a part. Back just in time right? Wanted to say I missed the site and you guys.

    Anyways, rob I saw that TC was working out the Florida St o-line. What are your thoughts on OG Josue Matias in round 2?

    • Rob Staton

      Good to have you back. I think that’s a tad early for Matias.

      • Volume12

        Thanks buddy.

        Is it just me or does Seattle appear to be interested in the Sam ‘backers moreso than the LEO position in this draft? I know this draft is lacking at the LEO spot, but it’s still catching my eye.

    • Trevor

      Nice to see you back Vol12

    • Rik

      Welcome back! 14 days and counting …

  17. Clayton

    Just wanted to get your thoughts on what deserves more priority in the draft: team need or talent? Or do you think that the priority would depend on the state of the team? Just in general, it seems that there’s much more attention to team need this year compared to past years. With this article though, with Jordan Hill coming back and both Michael Bennett and Cassius Marsh being able to rush inside, it seems that Mario Edwards, Jr. would be more of a “talent pick” than a “need pick”, especially with the needs on offense. I think its a worthy conversation… should Seattle go for a “talent pick” or a “need pick”?

    • peter

      Obviously not Rob here! But I like the question and how it’s framed. I think with 11 picks and the start of which being sort of later and the cluster in the middle the team could do both. Need and talent. Meaning lets lay out absolute rock bottom needs……what are they? Kr/pr is the most dire as that no one currently offers anything in that department.

      Then Lg..bailey can play but is he really the answer? I’m setting it up this way because past the special teams a large portion of the team that went to the superbowl and contributed comes back next year. Even losing Unger doesn’t make it a need. An upgrade certainly, probably but Patrick Lewis started more games then unger last year…so basically with 11 picks they “need,” two positions. That leaves them a lot of latitude to go BPA for most every pick.

      I actually think with the massive influx of DT’s plus those returning the semblance of starting okay from Lewis, the recent signing of lockette plus matthews/mcneil it gives them a ton of room to pick whomever they want….plus baily/pinkins/shead….sure its not all amazing but its a smart crafty way to keep the team strong with so many competitions to be had.

    • Rob Staton

      I think need always wins the day, whatever teams say. It dominates the draft.

      • Steele1324

        I think it depends on the particular team, and where a team finds itself in a given offseason. Need logically dictates, I think in most cases. But a team already stacked might lean towards talent. Then it’s a BPA.

        The Hawks do have more specific needs than usual. They have hit that point in their evolution.

  18. franks

    Hartman’s comparison of Smith and Dorsett interested me, with Smith seeking more likely to drop to us and being potentially a bigger deep threat desire being slower.

    Why does everyone think Gurley will recover fine and Smelter will lose a step?

    • peter

      Maybe its future casting because Gurley was a beast and smelter hadn’t really come on yet plus when they got injured respectively? Good question, Frank.

  19. franks

    Seeming not seeking

  20. Madmark

    I think the OL is in much worse shape than people would like to admit and it will get more attention this year. Garret Scott was our project for a year to probably take Carpenter’s spot since we didn’t pick up his 5th year option. He never saw the field due to a medical condition. We lost 3 of which 2 were starters last year and a versatile backup retired. Okung has 1 year and Alvin Bailey will be a RFA so we are looking a little thin and need to get back on track. I believe Seattle’s going to let the draft come to them. There are a lot of teams that need WR and OL and if there’s a rush on the WR that leaves us the opportunity to grab a couple OL with talent early and to spread the other 2 later in the draft as opportunity presents itself. We really don’t want to reach for a Justin Britt in the 2nd when he was a projected 6-7 round pick. We will grab a WR but his ability to make this team will be as a returner who will work to fill the void of a PRich while he is out. I’ve been watching my mock and seen quite a few of players moved up.
    31 Jimmy Graham WR/TE
    63 Ali Marpet C
    95 Marcus Hardison 3-Tech *
    112 Daryl Williams LG/ROT *
    130 Tyler Davidson 1-tech *
    134 Sequen Golson CB
    167 Mario Alford WR/PR/KR *
    170 Shaquille Riddick Leo/OLB *
    181 Jamon Brown OL
    209 Aalna Fua OLB/S/SS *
    214 Thomas Rawl RB
    248 Jake Rodgers OT
    * this means that they have moved up. Marcus Hardison on Walts went from 175 to 105 not sure what the deal on him was but after watching tape I had him at 112 and liked him enough to move him to 95 before Walt changed there’s.

    • williambryan

      I have been hoping for Alford as the returner pick. Although I had only seen his highlights until last night, when I watched his draft breakdown video. He drops a ton of balls. But it’s interesting because WV seemed to target him more than White even after the drops. Is there a West Virginia fan that has watched their games? I’m wondering if the drops are an all the time thing for Alford.

      • peter

        I like the thinking of this draft but wonder how strict physical parameters will be held this draft….i think hardison’s arms are short for Seattle and so are senquez’s….

    • AlaskaHawk

      I said it before, I like your drafting strategy. It takes care of business instead of going for flashy. Start with the line and build up from there.

  21. Volume12

    Rob, what are you r hts on OK St DE/LB Sam Wren?

  22. Volume12

    Rob, did you ever get the chance to find out what Marshall CB Darryl ‘Swag’ Roberts arm length/wingspan was? Or Rice CB Bryce Callahan?

    • Robert

      I really like Swag, but cannot find his arm length either. I can offer this film where some of his highlights indicate an arm length of about 40 inches, well beyond the 32 inch minimum requirement!

    • Steele1324

      Callahan is undersized, limited to nickel/slot because of that. Nothing special about him.

  23. Robert

    I found this interview where Georgia WR Chris Conley answers some questions. He impresses me as a very intelligent and well-spoken young man. It struck me that he and RW would really enjoy working together and work very well together in the film room etc.

  24. rowdy

    Rob I was wondering what your thought on conley were and when would you take him? I know he has a lot of fans here but I’m not very high on him personally. Everyone talks about his sparq score like it’s only a matter of time before he’s great. Historically if you look at the top 10 sparq scores for wr you’ll find very little starters. I see conley falling in that category. To me wr is a position that athleticism isn’t a good indicator for success. I also notice on most teams the player tagged most athletic is usually a bubble player. It seems most people here would take him in the 3rd when I wouldn’t take him in the 4th.

    • Robert

      I like Conley and his SPARQ is part of it. His interviews reveal a very smart and well spoken person. His back story reveals a very high character and extraordinary work ethic. His highlight film reveals great speed and suddenness, great hands and good high pointing and potential to make sensational plays that lesser athletes can only dream about. He has that extra gear to go get the ball in the air and create separation. He needs to improve his route running, cuts and selling his fakes to be great.

    • Hawksince77

      Agree that athleticism is only part of the story. It wasn’t until I read more about his game, and watched some of his tape, that I became a fan of Conley. Especially at the likely cost to obtain him.

      On the other hand, I think that DGB is greatly over-rated based on his athleticism and measurable and far less on his ability to play football. Huge red flags, apart from his character. If DGB was being considered in the same range as Conley, I would be on board, but in the 1st? Way too costly.

  25. JC

    FWIW, of last year’s reported pro day coach appearances and visits, 4 were drafted, Richardson, Marsh, Coyle and Pinkins.

    • Old but Slow

      Coyle was signed as a free agent, but your point is valid.

    • Ed

      If that is legit document, why would that draft Richardson that high if they have him ranked as a 3rd round talent. They could have picked Bitonio in 1st and Richardson at the end of 2

      • JC

        it’s a Field Gulls doc of who they met with, not necessarily a complete list and not Seahawks material.

    • Volume12

      Jackson Jeffcoat was also on that list as was Garrett Scott and Seattle also attended KPLs and Norwoods pro days.

  26. Jake

    I just discovered the Mock Draft simulator. What’s nice is that you can use different draft boards (I used CBS Sports) to rank the players. I don’t think you can do trades, but hey it’s a lot of fun to play GM for a few minutes. Interestingly Nelson Agholor was a “faller” and I nabbed him at 63. I know that seems unrealistic, but Byron Jones was also there and there are always surprises. I took a guy I loathe in round 7, but hopefully the fanbase forgives me since it’s only a 7th rounder.

    95: R3P31: G ALI MARPET (HOBART)
    130: R4P31: WR/CB TONY LIPPETT (MICHIGAN STATE) – to play Corner
    170: R5P34: QB/CB NICK MARSHALL (AUBURN) – to play Corner
    181: R6P5: OT TERRY POOLE (SDSU)
    209: R6P33: S TEVIN MCDONALD (EWU)

    • CC

      Fanspeak is good fun! I’ve run it a few times using a couple of the draft boards. I agree with you, when I ran it, some of the rankings didn’t jive. In one of the mocks Miami picked Hundley in the first round – obviously that wouldn’t happen.

    • Steele1324

      Jake, that is a nice mock. I am a big fan of Lippett. I think he has equal potential at either WR or corner, he has length, and tracks the ball as well as anyone. Both Lippett and Marshall would offer some intriguing flexibility.

      • Jake

        Yeah, I like him better as CB (because he could be a superstar as a press corner in this scheme) – which is why I took McBride first and risked missing out on Lippett (I think WR is a bigger need and I was always going to double-down to ensure I get a contributor). I would want to put Lippett with the DBs, and see what Richard (the coach) and Richard (the Sherman) could bring out of him as a press corner. I think he COULD be as good as Sherm at the position if he picks up the coaching and technique.

    • Ho Lee Chit

      You can do trades on Fanspeak if you pay $5 for the Premium version. The trades are based on the trade value chart.

  27. Brandon

    Hey Rob, I was wondering if i could get your thoughts on Jamison Crowder. He really seemed to boost up the Blue Devils offense and looks like a solid worker. Could be a burner in the return game and compete for the slot spot while later replacing ADB after 2016? I’m not 100% sure he would fit in the offense, but if he did could he be Seattle’s version of Steve Smith? I see him falling to the early 4th so maybe use the N.O. pick.

    • Steele1324

      I would not compare him with Steve Smith, who is far stronger and more physical. That said, with Dorsett, Lockett, Crowder, Alford, JJ Nelson, you get similar things. Almost a coin flip.

    • Rob Staton

      Showed something in the drills at the Senior Bowl but was a bit disappointed during the game. Seems like a sparky little player but there are others I prefer that carry his physique.

      • Matt

        Crowder muffed 2 punts in the senior bowl. Thats not acceptable. I’d rather have a fair catch artist than a fumble artist. I know it’s only 1 game but still.

        • Robert

          SHHHH…fumble artist does not look good on the resume…hahaha.

    • Rik

      I like Montgomery better than Crowder as a KR/PR, but I like Crowder’s teammate Issac Blakeney as a late-round pick or UDFA. Tall and athletic receiver who played other positions before settling into the WR role.

  28. Steele1324

    Rob and everyone, DE/OLB Josh Shirley was among the VMAC visitors yesterday. Shirley is an interesting story. He was, along with Paul Richardson, involved with a theft ring at UCLA. Then he transferred to U Washington, where he looked like a pass rush god. Then his career nosedived, he transferred to UNLV.

    Check out his Washington film:

    When I was scouring around on pass rushers, I wondered if a sleeper story like Shirley would get Pete Carroll’s attention, given the PRich and local connections. There it is.

    If Shirley has any of his freshman game left in him, he will be a steal. The question is, what happened to his production over the last couple of years?

    • Volume12

      Really like SAM LB Josh Shirley myself. They’re also visiting with OK St SAM LB Sam Wren who has an exceptionally quick get off.AAnd his motor/energy are through the roof. Even though USF LB Reshard Cliett is undersized, he’s a terrific pass rusher too.

    • arias

      Was it really a theft ‘ring’? I thought they were caught for taking a girl’s purse and distributing its contents from the mess hall one time, but ‘ring’ makes it sound like they were organized in stealing and distributing stolen goods over a period of time.

  29. Steele1324

    Another VMAC visitor was WR Ed Williams.

    So far, the only WRs who have visited—Ty Montgomery, Chris Harper, Ed Williams—are smallish, quick, near-smurfs. Montgomery has a bit more length, closer to 6-1, but no giants.

    I really think one more tall target is important in case Chris Matthews does not turn out to be starting quality.

    • AlaskaHawk

      I agree that we need at least one more tall target. Unless DGB falls I don’t think we will find a tall starter this year. Our #63 pick is just too low. There are several development projects that could be had this year.

      Now with smurfs it is a different story. For me a real smurf is 5′-10″ or less. 6′ to 6′-2″ and 200 pound + is regular size. Anyway, there should be plenty of smurfs available in the 4th round on. Mario Alford would be a good choice there. Hopefully we will get double duty as a kick returner. The one caveat about smurfs is – they are good while they are healthy. But they can be taken out with one good hit. A few may last many seasons, most won’t. Lesson learned: smurfs are like chickens, you need a whole flock of them.

      • Steele1324

        Alaska, I designate 6-0 and under as smurf. With extra arm length and some bulk, certain 6-0s sneak out into “normal” for me. I think there are many smurf WRs who are also good returners. You can go all the way to Christion Jones in UDFA.

        To me, Edelman and Welker (in his prime) are the prototypes. They are/were tough as nails, though, strong enough to take beatings. Super Mario would be fine. In the end, I don’t see a lot separating Lockett/Alford/Crowder/JJ Nelson and some others. Dorsett has extra speed, would be the only smurf worth extra effort. And I still would question the effectiveness of adding him, given you’ve got Baldwin, and P-Rich will come back eventually.

        • AlaskaHawk

          I think the idea is that you draft 4 smurfs (over several years) and see which one holds up. I don’t think you can predict it. P-Rich was doing really well till he got injured. Baldwin has had injury issues one of his seasons. Next smurf up!!

          I think Sproles is my protytpe for a running back smurf.

          • arias

            PRich wouldn’t really qualify as a ‘smurf’. But ok.

            • Steele1324

              P Rich is 5-11. Smurf.

              • arias

                His combine profile lists him at 6’0″. But Alaska said he only considers 5’10” a true smurf.

                • Jake

                  P-Rich is officially 6’0 by NFL standards. He measured just over 6’0 at the combine. He is no smurf, he is skinny though.

          • purpleneer

            6′ is smurf. I gotta agree with Alaska; considering 6′ as a smurf broadens the definition to where it doesn’t mean much.

    • Volume12

      They also spent 2 hours or so with Simon & Fraser WR Lemar Durant at his pro day. He’s 6’2, 225 lbs.

      IMO Ty Montgomery and Chris Harper would be 2 fantastic additions and upgrades to the wide receiving core.

      • Steele1324


        Interesting. I don’t know if these clips were in chronolgical order, but there are some plays where Durant seems to play at half speed, almost casually. Good physicals, though.

        In terms of Montgomery and Harper, I would look at that as one or the other, not both. They are similar. Montgomery looks like a much stronger prospect, more NFL ready. And 6-1 vs. 5-11 for Harper.

        • Volume12

          They are not similar in hhte slightest. Montgomery is an NFL ready returner and a gadget/package plays receiver at least in this stage his game with some deep ball ability, whereas Chris Harper is one of the more polished route runners and is primarily a slot receiver.

          We know how much Seattle values YAC and guys who can make plays in space. Both bring that. Both are loaded with potential as well. The days of designating what position a guy is are just about done IMO. Put the best talent on the field regardless of size.

        • Volume12

          They are not similar in the slightest. Montgomery is an NFL ready returner and a gadget/package plays receiver at least in this stage of his game with some deep ball ability, whereas Chris Harper is one of the more polished route runners and is primarily a slot receiver.

          We know how much Seattle values YAC and guys who can make plays in space. Both bring that. Both are loaded with potential as well. The days of designating what position a guy is are just about done IMO. Put the best talent on the field regardless of size.

          • Steele1324

            Volume, I think Ty Montgomery has better route running skill than he gets credit for, underrated as a WR. Take some time with this analysis:


            He is able to play x,y, and z. His routes are good, often excellent. Hands are good. His drops are concentration type, and many caused by having a mediocre QB missing him. He plays bigger than his size. You take Montgomery for immediate ST, but I think you would also get a surprisingly good all-around WR.

            Harper is a classic slot.

            Both are good returners.

            • Volume12

              He’s a decent route runner for sure. Montgomery is a more refined version of Cordarrelle Patterson whereas Harper is more of an ADB type of wideout.

              You don’t have to sell me on Montgomery. I’m a huge fan of his game and was dismissed several times when I brought him up or mentioned him ealier this year. The fact they’re both good returners is moot IMO. But Ido think that Montgomery could becoe a truly unique/electric weapon in this league.

  30. Madmark

    I’m sure a lot of you use this website but for those who don’t,. I find it quite handy.

  31. Volume12

    Looks like ontonic may have been right. There’s a rumor that Devin Funchess was/is in Seattle.

    • Rob Staton

      He’s been on a west coast tour for sure. No news on the teams he visited with though.

    • Robert

      In the right scheme, he is a matchup nightmare. And we might be the right scheme with Graham, Willson and emphasis on the Beast game.It seems like he would dominate smaller CBs in the passing game and as a run blocker!

      • Steele1324

        I am tantalized by the idea of Funchess, who “should” be capable of delivering big target rewards. But his reality is another story. Is he worth taking a chance on? Can he be coached up, lose wait, gain quickness, develop a work ethic and focus he hasn’t shown in many seasons?

        • Robert

          Yeah, a lot of concerns. Probably my biggest red flag is that he does not demonstrate good high pointing and plucking with his hands. His ability to create matchup nightmares is greatly diminished by his inconsistent ability to just go up and cleanly snatch the ball.

  32. jj

    does this lend credence to the Seahawks sending a player to the Falcons. I could envision sending Michael Bennett (still three years left at an AAV of 8/year) and our 2nd round pick for the 8th pick in the draft, or Bennett and Christine Michael for their 1st and flipping 2nd rounders.

    Bennett and Schneider denied vehemently that Bennett ever asked for a trade, but maybe Schneider was shopping him or maybe Atlanta is “all in” on Bennett.

    • peter

      If they trade Bennett then pass rush absolutely would have to be a top tier choice. The options are all hope with tull, wren, et al. Bennett was the dline in the superbowl. I could see it only because Schneider is a wheeler/dealer but who in this draft would replace him? There are some good de’s but none with his inside out slipperyness. Plus who would ride the bicycle next year after the nfccg?

      • Steele1324

        Trading Bennett would be a dangerous move. There are no DEs even close to his caliber or suitable for the outside+inside role, and certainly none past rd. 1. Would have to be in rd. 1 for the likes of Eli Harold, Randy Gregory types. Preston Smith is a watered down Bennett, but not Bennett. From rd. 2 on down, it’s dismal for pass rushers.

    • arias

      I just can’t see it happening. There was nothing in Bennett’s radio interview to suggest he was unwilling to play in Seattle. He said he was really happy playing for the team and there was nothing to the rumors.

      I think it’s almost certain that he probably did ask for more money through his agent considering Schneider not outright denying it when asked by a reporter point blank. But it would only make sense if they got the Falcons 1st round pick in return to draft Leonard Williams. But that wouldn’t make sense from the Falcons standpoint since they could draft Williams themselves and only be on the hook for his rookie contract.

  33. Misfit74

    I’m guessing a smokescreen to cover up information that we do want to trade up – just not for a defender, but a receiver like DGB or Perriman.

    Good Lord I hope we make that move!

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