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Time for this week’s mock. I think you’ll like Seattle’s pick at #56 this week…
It’s another projection that includes trades. Here’s a run down of all the deals in round one:
Buffalo (#8) trades with Jacksonville (#2) for a 2nd round pick + 2014 2nd rounder
With Chris Mortensen repeatedly linking Oakland to Geno Smith, this could force potential suitors to act. Buffalo GM Buddy Nix said during the 2012 season that it could be time to move up and get a quarterback. I suspect Smith will go second overall, it’s just a case of which team moves up. Jacksonville is probably a willing trader.
Miami (#12) trades with Philadelphia (#4) for a 2nd round pick
The Dolphins have two second round picks because of the Vontae Davis trade with Indianapolis. They allowed Jake Long to walk. For a franchise that’s been pretty aggressive so far in free agency, I suspect they’ll consider making a move up the board to get at the top left tackles. They’d still have a second round pick to go after another edge rusher or cornerback. Philly moves down before drafting Tavon Austin.
Dallas (#18) trades with San Diego (#11) for a 3rd round pick
Jerry Jones loves to trade up when he’s identified ‘his guy’. Sheldon Richardson also happens to be Monte Kiffin’s ‘guy’, given how close he came to prising him away from Missouri during a successful JUCO career in California. San Diego’s been pretty passive this off-season so far and despite their desperate needs on the offensive line, if they don’t move up there’s no obvious solution here. They might as well move down to accumulate picks.
Chicago (#20) trades with Tampa Bay (#13) for a 4th round pick + 6th round pick + 2014 3rd rounder
The Bears don’t have a ton of needs but they can’t be totally satisfied with their offensive line even after signing Jermon Bushrod. Trading up for a guard is uncommon, but Jonathan Cooper is up there with Chance Warmack and Mike Iupati as players worth taking in this range. Tampa Bay knows it can get a cornerback at #20.
Atlanta (#30) trades with Green Bay (#26) for a 4th round pick
With Bjoern Werner falling into the 20’s, Atlanta trades up to get an impact pass rusher. The value at #26 isn’t great for Green Bay’s needs so I’d guess they’ll be willing to move down.
Philadelphia (#35) trades with New England (#29) for a 4th round pick
The Eagles could revolutionise their offense here. Cornerback is a concern — and a big one. But Chip Kelly is going to want to get his offensive vision rocking. They move up to secure a quarterback for the long haul. And with another second round pick to come after trading down, you’re looking at an offense that includes E.J. Manuel at quarterback, an X-factor playmaker in Tavon Austin, two speedy receivers in DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy at running back and Kyle Long joining Jason Peters on the offensive line. Scary athleticism.
Arizona (#38) trades with Baltimore (#32) for a 5th round pick
Last year Tampa Bay pulled off a cheap trade with Denver to make sure they got Doug Martin. Arizona could pull a similar trick to get their quarterback here.
Seattle’s pick in round two is an interesting scenario. Eddie Lacy is a terrific running back but his off-season has been a veritable car crash. He made an ill-advised joke about adding weight during the off-season due to a mediocre work ethic. He’s got injured. And with less than a month to go to the draft, he’s still not worked out for scouts. When he does, he’s probably not going to blow anyone away.
For a few weeks now I’ve had Lacy going in round one. Yet there’s enough depth at running back to force a dramatic fall here. After all, teams saw what Washington did with Alfred Morris last year, plus what Houston has done with Arian Foster. So there might not be a furious scramble for Lacy. There’s going to be value to had at the position from round three onwards.
The Seahawks don’t have many needs. They also have Robert Turbin who was fine as a rookie. I just think this team would thrive on being able to use a double-headed monster of Lynch and Lacy. Relentless power running. Count this projection as another example of Seattle having the freedom to do what they want with the #56 pick.
To make up for yesterday’s ‘Eagles’ article, I’ve included a full round three.
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First round
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#1 Luke Joeckel (T, Texas A&M) This still seems like the most likely pick. |
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#2 Geno Smith (QB, West Virginia) Buddy Nix said it was time to move up and get their quarterback. |
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#3 Sharrif Floyd (DT, Florida) They need to build a foundation. They’ve created room for this type of pick. |
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#4 Eric Fisher (T, Central Michigan) Having spent an off-season providing an arsenal for Ryan Tannehill, they have to be able to protect him. Time to move up. |
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#5 Dion Jordan (DE, Oregon) He might have more upside than anyone else in the draft. |
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#6 Dee Milliner (CB, Alabama) They might choose to invest in a partner for Joe Haden. |
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#7 Lane Johnson (T, Oklahoma) They need to decide if they can afford to wait around for a quarterback. |
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#8 Matt Barkley (QB, USC) Gus Bradley worked with Pete Carroll for three years. He’ll know the true value of Matt Barkley. |
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#9 Chance Warmack (G, Alabama) Rex Ryan’s future beyond 2013 is unclear, so go back to running the ball and just draft the best player on the board. |
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#10 Ziggy Ansah (DE, BYU) Someone is likely to take a chance on Ansah in the top-ten. |
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#11 Sheldon Richardson (DT, Missouri) Jerry Jones is not afraid to move up. Monte Kiffin recruited the heck out of this guy. |
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#12 Tavon Austin (WR, West Virginia) Chip Kelly gets Philly’s answer to D’Anthony Thomas. |
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#13 Jonathan Cooper (G, North Carolina) You don’t usually trade up for a guard. Cooper is worth it. |
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#14 Star Lotulelei (DT, Utah) This fills perhaps their biggest need. |
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#15 Datone Jones (DE, UCLA) They have all kinds of need on defense. I just have a hunch Datone Jones will go earlier than expected. |
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#16 Cordarrelle Patterson (WR, Tennessee) They want weapons on offense. Here’s a weapon. |
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#17 Kenny Vaccaro (S, Texas) The best player available at a position of need. |
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#18 Xavier Rhodes (CB, Florida State) After trading down, San Diego adds a much needed corner. |
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#19 Barkevious Mingo (DE, LSU) He’d add a new dynamic to the Giants defense. |
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#20 Blidi Wreh-Wilson (CB, Connecticut) I just have a hunch there will be teams who rate this guy very highly. |
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#21 D.J. Fluker (T, Alabama) I’m not a fan personally, but then I was never really a fan of Andre Smith either. |
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#22 Alec Ogletree (LB, Georgia) They need an outside linebacker. |
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#23 Desmond Trufant (CB, Washington) With a run on cornerbacks under-way, Minnesota gets in on the act. |
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#24 Justin Pugh (G, Syracuse) Interior offensive line is the biggest need in Indy. |
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#25 Manti Te’o (LB, Notre Dame) Rick Spielman has already hit on two other Notre Dame players. Will he try and make it a hat-trick? |
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#26 Bjoern Werner (DE, Florida State) The Falcons move up to get an impact pass rusher. |
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#27 Robert Woods (WR, USC) The Texans could look for a playmaker. |
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#28 Tyler Eifert (TE, Notre Dame) Keep adding to that arsenal. |
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#29 E.J. Manuel (QB, Florida State) I’m not much of a fan, but imagine him in an offense with LeSean McCoy, Tavon Austin, DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin. |
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#30 Keenan Allen (WR, California) After losing Greg Jennings and Donald Driver, Allen could be the guy here. |
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#31 Matt Elam (S, Florida) This would be a scary pick for the NFC West. |
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#32 Ryan Nassib (QB, Syracuse) After watching Philly trade up for E.J. Manuel, the Cardinals quickly work on a deal to get their quarterback. |
Second round
#33 Jacksonville – Corey Lemonier (DE, Auburn)
#34 San Francisco- Tank Carradine (DE, Florida State)
#35 New England – DeAndre Hopins (WR, Clemson)
#36 Detroit – Menelik Watson (T, Florida State)
#37 Cincinnati – Jonathan Cyprien (S, Florida International)
#38 Baltimore – Arthur Brown (LB, Kansas State)
#39 New York Jets – Zach Ertz (TE, Stanford)
#40 Tennessee – Sylvester Williams (DT, North Carolina)
#41 Jacksonville – Johnthan Banks (CB, Mississippi State)
#42 Philadelphia- Kyle Long (T, Oregon)
#43 Tampa Bay – Khaseem Greene (LB, Rutgers)
#44 Carolina – Justin Hunter (WR, Tennessee)
#45 San Diego – Johnthan Hankins (DT, Ohio State)
#46 St. Louis – Denard Robinson (RB, Michigan)
#47 Dallas – Travis Frederick (C, Wisconsin)
#48 Pittsburgh – Jarvis Jones (OLB, Georgia)
#49 New York Giants – Jesse Williams (DT, Alabama)
#50 Chicago – Kevin Minter (LB, LSU)
#51 Washington – D.J. Swearinger (S, South Carolina)
#52 Minnesota – Kawann Short (DT, Purdue)
#53 Cincinnati – Jonathan Franklin (RB, UCLA)
#54 Miami – Jamar Taylor (CB, Boise State)
#55 Green Bay – Terron Armstead (T, Arkansas Pine-Bluff)
#56 Seattle – Eddie Lacy (RB, Alabama)
#57 Houston – Larry Warford (G, Kentucky)
#58 Denver – Phillip Thomas (S, Fresno State)
#59 New England – Dallas Thomas (G, Tennessee)
#60 Atlanta – D.J. Hayden (CB, Houston)
#61 San Francisco – Gavin Escobar (TE, San Diego State)
#62 Baltimore – Jamie Collins (OLB, Southern Miss)
3rd round
#63 Kansas City – Ryan Swope (WR, Texas A&M)
#64 Jacksonville – Sio Moore (LB, Connecticut)
#65 Detroit – Markus Wheaton (WR, Oregon State)
#66 Oakland – Alex Okafor (DE, Texas)
#67 Philadelphia – Logan Ryan (CB, Rutgers)
#68 Cleveland – Tyler Bray (QB, Tennessee)
#69 Arizona – Brian Winters (G, Kent State)
#70 Tennessee – Robert Alford (CB, SE Louisiana)
#71 Buffalo – Quinton Patton (WR, Louisiana Tech)
#72 New York Jets – Mike Glennon (QB, NC State)
#73 Tampa Bay – Darius Slay (CB, Mississippi State)
#74 San Francisco – John Jenkins (DT, Georgia)
#75 New Orleans – John Simon (DE, Ohio State)
#76 San Diego – Jordan Mills (T, Louisiana Tech)
#77 Miami – Damontre Moore (DE, Texas A&M)
#78 St. Louis – Le’Veon Bell (RB, Michigan State)
#79 Pittsburgh – Terrance Williams (WR, Baylor)
#80 San Diego – Brian Schwenke (C, California)
#81 New York Giants – Jordan Poyer (CB, Oregon State)
#82 Miami – Stepfan Taylor (RB, Stanford)
#83 Minnesota – Steadman Bailey (WR, West Virginia)
#84 Cincinnati – David Amerson (CB, NC State)
#85 Washington – Jordan Reed (TE, Florida)
#86 Indianapolis – Montee Ball (RB, Wisconsin)
#87 Seattle – Brennan Williams (T, North Carolina)
#88 Green Bay – Eric Reid (S, LSU)
#89 Houston – Tyler Wilson (QB, Arkansas)
#90 Denver – Brandon Williams (DT, Missouri Southern)
#91 New England – Marc Anthony (CB, California)
#92 Atlanta – Bennie Logan (DT, LSU)
#93 San Francisco – Ace Sanders (WR, South Carolina)
#94 Baltimore – Shamarko Thomas (S, Syracuse)
#95 Houston – Travis Kelce (TE, Cincinnati)
#96 Kansas City – Baccari Rambo (S, Georgia)
#97 Tennessee – Oday Aboushi (T, Virginia)
No defensive tackle? I suspect we might see a signing to fill this role before the draft. I found this interesting:
Free agent DT Alan Branch has fired CAA as his agency and signed with Blake Baratz (@blakebaratz )
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) March 27, 2013
Tommy Kelly was just released by the Raiders and might also be an option as a starting 3-tech. He has similar measurables as Branch (6’6″ 325lbs 32yo) but has more pass-rush production.
Ummmm… 2 4th round picks?? Is there something your not telling us?? Lol
My mistake — I forgot that it’d been confirmed as two 5th’s instead.
Love the lacy pick by the way, sets up a cap out with lynch if it comes down to it.
I like the Lacy pick. He is a hammer of a back, and between him and Turbin they can cut down on Marshawn’s carries. I felt like we were a little too dependent on Lynch for the offense.
That is/was the whole reason of drafting Robert Turbin last year. His addition is why we already have a two-headed monster for a backfield. The priority for Seattle remains a DT then we can add needed positions like OLB /T and WR and TE.
Hmmm….
I know we have freedom with our pick and I do like eddy lacy I just hate to make this pick with Turbin already on the roster. Running Back is not normally a difficult position to fill and I like Turbin so I just don’t see it. I’d rather grab a WR to through on the pile with Sydney rices health long term questions about golden Tate, and Sydney rices cap number. A TE would be another area I would explore on offense with due to Zach millers cap number. Defensively I like a DT although I understand your suggestion is that role gets filled outside of the draft. LB is also an area I’d address before RB although you have LB addresses in round 4 so there is that. Also again ahead of RB I would look at a corner as BRandon Browners contract is almost up.
Not that I don’t like the pick I just think other options are better.
Great minds think alike.
I think its a luxury pick that I would be skeptical of. I really like Sio Moore to come in and compete for a starting spot, He was available.
John Jenkins could address the DT spot and would immediately help on early downs. Other DTs seem to fall in this mock, so they could be had in the 3rd, but we dont know that for sure. I think Brandon Williams and Bennie Logan are both worth a look in the 2nd.
Is Lacy really that much better? I personally think Ball will be the more productive back at the next level, and he might be had in the 4th. So could Lattimore, if we think his injury is healing well.
ALso, Brennan Williams in the 3rd is a good pick, but again, are similar or better options available later?
This would be a scary, scary haul for San Fran. I’m actually intrigued my the Eddie Lacy pick. Would think that means this would be Lynch’s last year and then they would move on and save a lot of cap room. Lacy is a monster and I think you are right to have Seattlde take him if he were to fall to pur pick in the 2nd….simply just too good of value.
Experimentation? Likelihood 2nd rnd pick is a rb 0% with lynch/turbin and harvin as 3rd string, waste a 2nd rnd pick on a 4th string rb not bloody likely, that said I like ur 3rd and 4ths though as far as CBS go like will Davis mo betta
I think we all know Lacy wouldn’t be the 4th running back here.
First of all, Lynch is a brutal runner whose physicality is vital to the offense. However, if you have any ambitions of keeping him on this team for another 2-3 years, then you can’t expect him to keep going out there and carrying it as much as he did last season. Turbin just does not offer the same brutality in relief. Spelling Lynch with Lacy as a 1-2 punch never lets up. It’s relentless.
Harvin is not a third string running back. He’s a playmaker who may take the occasional snap in the backfield, but he’s not a running back you want pounding the rock. Turbin is a bog standard backup running back. He would act as a third running back easily behind Lynch and Lacy and that’s fine.
So I think there’s a little more chance than 0% if Lacy is available.
I suspect with all the money we are paying receivers and PC increased confidence in Wilson, that we will pass more often next year and reduce the load on Marshawn . Yes I know what our tea
Identity is – but things change as personnel change.
Pete has already stated in an interview that they won’t pass more, or at least not if they can help it. The identity won’t change for me. Even when Wilson was playing at his best at the end of the year, the run was still a key factor.
Pete says a lot of things, but they don’t always happen. He said Irvin would have around 550-600 snaps, it didn’t happen. Russell will be passing more next year, he’s too good not to. Doesn’t mean we’l become New England or Indy, but you don’t hold back your best assets on offense. You don’t pay all that money for a couple of receivers and a TE, then not use them. Bevell reduced Peterson’s snaps when he had Favre playing at an elite level. I expect it will be the same with Wilson.
Agreed that PC says a lot of things but he has to adapt to the capabilities of their players and how the opponents play them. I love Marshawn Lynch, frankly we wouldn’t be a running team without him. It wouldn’t even be a discussion because he has carried this offense on his shoulders. Witness two seasons ago when he had back spasms and couldn’t play. We lost to Cleveland!
So we will continue to have a running game, but now we have new expensive toys. We have a QB with a highly efficient pass rating. And we need to use them. At the end of the day, the NFL rules favor and encourage passing. There are more yards gained passing than running. And we have more TDs from passing then running. They all point to the fact that we will be passing more often next year.
I think PC and Bevell use the run as a defensive, clock-eating strategy. I expect us to score more next year, particularly earlier in games. If we have an early lead, I expect we will then run the ball and eat the clock. So, I expect that we will be passing the ball about the same amount as the past year.
The thing is though, giving Irvin less or more snaps wasn’t/wouldn’t be a major ideological shift in philosophy. Carroll wants to run the ball, he’s made it the core of this team. It’d be a major upset IMO if he went away from that.
I think “major upset,” is overstating it a bit….I personally don’t think it would be a major upset if we increased the passes by about 5 a game and reduced the carries by about 5 a game. Power running is awesome, and good.great for Lynch for getting out of Buffalo, but it’s hard for me to imagine Bevell with an up and coming QB, Rice/Tate/Harvin/Miller and saying sure let’s get the run going along, when we have an absolute stud at QB who can make EVERY throw and put up some points and let the defense get after it.
The power run identity worked swimmingly when our QB’s were old Hasselbeck, the king of the 4th quarter gamed killing turnover (in his later years) and Tarvaris “close my eyes and chuck it,” Jackson….running becomes a governor to mistake filled Qb’s. QB’s that match Mannings rookie TD record and throw so few Int’s don’t need a running game to that extent.
Finally, let’s hold off on what Turbin is or isn’t until we get a real chance to see it. Old Marshawn wasn’t exactly lighting the world on fire every season until he found a system that complimented his style and in fact had Tom Cable breakdown what he was doing wrong within the confines of the Seahawks ZBS.
I think what’s forgotten in this discussion is that the running game feeds the passing game. Having a stout running game has helped RW immensely, and success off the play action is key. I don’t expect this team to pass appreciably more than last season, and fully expect them to be among the tops in running plays on first and second downs. This is especially so given that I expect this team to be ahead a lot more than behind. This team is all about running the ball, wearing the other team down, and high efficiency offense and PC has touted that at every opportunity.
Historically speaking, running backs who carry the ball 300+ times in one season don’t do well the next. There are a lot of factors at work there, but I think investing in running back is absolutely credible, and if Lacy is there at 56, it would not be a wasted pick, imho.
True enough on workloads….though I’m still confused as to what the point in drafting Turbin at all would have been?
I’m still going to hold out my total judgement on Lacy until after his “pro-day,” something seems seriously wrong to me that it takes three months to get over a hamstring injury….
1. Leon Washington as our 3rd Down -3rd String back had 23 Carries in 16 games.
averaging 1.4 carries a game, that’s approximately what Harvin is going to get in the backfield if not more. If he is doing the work of the 3rd string back ergo-he is the 3rd string back. I would not be surprised if they went into the season with only two backs for this reason.
2. Turbin averaged 4.4 yards per carry in his FIRST year. How much more does he have to do, to prove all you detractors out there wrong.
Do you bring in competition? Hell ya but Lacy?, I doubt he falls that far but if he does I expect the Hawks would trade the pick, rather than draft Lacy
Why would they trade the pick? They’d probably just draft someone else.
What happens IF Lynch or Turbin get injured?? Increase Harvin’s? That seems like putting him in the slaughterhouse. We NEED a 3rd RB that can carry some of the load if Lynch or Turbin go down at all this season. Don’t get me wrong, Harvin is like a change of pace back, but I don’t see him running betweem the tackles 20 times a game……
I think Leon’s # of carries are representative of his value as a back. He just wasn’t very productive with his touches, so he got fewer and fewer of them. I think adding another stud RB would be a smart move. RBs don’t last long in this league, especially ones that run as hard and as physical as Lynch. If he goes down, are you comfortable having only Turbin as backup? I think he did great, but we need quality depth and someone to compete for the starting job if Lynch is injured (and to replace him when he’s done in town). If you can get a guy like Lacy, I’d have no problem, as we should be limiting some of Lynch’s carries so he’s more fresh for our deep playoff run.
I also agree that we may be able to find RB depth later in the draft. Personally, I’d love to see a RT or DT @ 56, but what the hell do I know? I’m not JS! These guys draft so well, that I trust them to get the best value for the hawks with each pick. It’s an exciting time to be a hawks fan, can’t wait for the draft!!!
Okay so I can’t remember where I saw this, but there were inside sources saying Avril will take over at the SAM position. Is this feasible in terms of Avril’s abilities?? And if so, then maybe Bennett will move to the LEO temporarily and Scruggs will fill the Jason Jones role… still need a 3-Tech though. I’m hoping Branch resigns but I’m pushing for Howard!!
Schneider said in an interview he could line up at the SAM for some snaps, I don’t think he was talking about a permanent switch.
That would certainly make sense for pass rushing situations
I am hoping Scruggs puts everything together and can make a push for more playing time.
Hi there Rob,
Why is there never a pick of Qb for the Browns? It seems that as far as pressing issues for them, getting a functional QB should be up there. They have already gone hog in FA on the front 7, and as far as depth of position, don’t you think they would be more inclined to draft a Barkley in round 1 than bray in round 3? I mean, as far as draft depth goes, CB is one of the best positions. They could get matheiu in round three and not have to remain a floundering contender.
As far as team-to-player match goes, barkley to CLE seams about as ideal as can be. With an already an established ground game, I think Barkley could be eased into the situation and really take advantage of some play action.
Obviously this hypothesis is tempered with the recent news of Campbell’s signing, but I wonder why you never gave them a QB in the past? Thanks
The Norv Turner offense is very much a vertical attack. It doesn’t suit Barkley very well (it’s actually a much better fit for their current QB Brandon Weeden) which is why I went with Bray in round three here. And there aren’t many QB’s that really suit what the Browns will do. I’m keeping an eye on Ryan Mallett for Cleveland.
I am not completely convinced that Barkley cant operate in a vertical passing attack. Rivers and Drew Brees are both not consider cannon arm QBs.
That said I agree with Rob, and I can’t see the browns going to a QB with their first round pick.
Lacy will be gone in the 1st round! He’s not getting past St. Louis twice. I can only hope somebody else picks him first.
But, yeah, hell of a pick. We could send Lynch packing if we got Lacy. 🙂
Hey guys… I have finally figured out how John & Pete think. The Seahawks pick at #56 will be the former Honey Badger, Tyrann Mathieu. World-class elite playmaker (at their position of greatest need: nickel CB) turnover-causing dynamo wrecking-ball, game changing punt returner, high-risk jolt of electricity. Bank it, this is Pete’s guy. They will grab him R2, for he will be gone by their R3 pick.
Sarcasm font? : D
The draft can’t come soon enough. I am so sick and tired of hearing about Tyrann Mathieu.
I would still pick Wheaton or Jamie Collins over Lacy. Rb’s are so easy to find in the late rounds.
Denard Robinson leaving the board in the 40s… dayum. Nothing would shock me in the 2nd round this year. It’s going to be pretty crazy.
I feel as if there’s about 50 guys who are second round picks. What a year.
Wish we could package some later rounds and get an extra 2nd or high 3rd. I wonder what it would take ?
I like the Lacy pick, Rob. Pete Carroll used a large number of running backs at USC and Carolina has used a similar system in the NFL with great success. Nothing would wear down a defense better than a speed/power trio of Lynch/Lacy/Turbin.
Look, I love Alabama – I danced up and down when we drafted Shaun Alexander, my favorite all time college player. Lacy is not worth dancing for. He has a nice spin move, but that’s about it. He is Turbin without the break-away speed and hands. He has stone for hands and no wiggle. Lynch is wiggle, effort, and leg-drive. His style is completely misunderstood by the national media. They constantly refer to him as some sort of bruiser, when in fact he’s much more defined by his “phonebooth” quickness and effort like no other back I’ve seen.
Lacy is the worst of the Alabama backs to come out in the past 4 drafts. His teammate (Freshman) Yeldon was more effective when he got in the game just this year. Further, Lacy (unlike Yeldon, Richardson, and Ingram before) did not take carries away from the upper classman in front of him during his Freshman and Sophomore seasons. He did not offer an upgrade in any area, so he was strictly a backup. He ran behind an NFL line against college opponents, his o-line was the best the school, or maybe the college game has ever seen. He also had a much more potent passing game to help open spaces for him to run. I would steer very clear of Eddie Lacy. He is not as talented a back as Ingram or Richardson, neither of which have lit up the NFL. There are more dynamic backs in this draft, besides – Seattle already has a more dynamic backup in Robert Turbin.
I love the Lacy pick. Much like our QB situation with Russell, one injury to Lynch could quickly derail a promising season. It’s no secret Lynch takes (and gives) a pounding and it’s a fortunate thing he hasn’t missed much game time to date. Lacy would be a great compliment, and insurance to Lynch. Great teams can seamlessly transition with good depth. I dont think he’ll be there when we pick, but I think the upside would be too much to pass on if he was.
If I got the DT position filled I could see.
rd 2 Ryan Swope WR still need 5th and 6th receiver and acouple may not be back next year.
rd 3 Travis Kelce TE
rd 4 Zavier Gooden WILL
rd 5 Oday Aboushi ROT I believe this guy may drop to here with only 17 reps.
rd 5 Nickell Robey CB
round 6 and 7s for QB,FS,RB
I am still a believer in adding a DT first:
2 Sylvester Williams
3 Sio Moore
4 Da’Rick Rogers
5 Oday Aboushi or Xavier Nixon
5 Marcus Lattimore if available (Kenjon Barner)
6 Tharold Simon
7 Zac Dysert
7 Abry Jones
7 Ray Ray Armstrong
I’m a fan of:
2nd-Khaseem Greene/Sio Moore-OLB(If Greene unavailable)
3rd-Akeem Spence/Brandon Williams-DT (If Spence Unavailable)
4th-Will Davis-CB
5th-Reid Fragel-OT
5th-Tommy Bohanon-FB
6th.-Jake StoneBurner-TE
7th-TJ Moe-WR
7th-Vinston Painter-OT
7th-Jared Smith-DT
7th-Quanterus Smith-DE
These are the rounds cbsports has them going in I know some of you will be like “but they won’t be available”, well per cbssports they would be available in these rnds, and if available thats who I would pick
I went on the assumption that Alan Branch resigns and I’ll say it here I thgink he comes back. I think he’s knowns this is the best place for a chance to win and at 30 its limmited with the Salary Cap deal.
As for Khaseem Green if he’s there sure but he’s not going to be just like Slyvester Williams. I had Oday Aboushi end rd 2 in my first draft in january but his combine wasn’t great and I think he’s dropping if i think hes not going to make it in early 5th I even grab him in the 4th. I think 1 year backup or starter with Cable and this guy will step in at RT. Vinston Painter I like but we got 3 guards and I can hardly wait to see Carpenter play in the position he never should have moved from and thats the Left Guard spot. beides i think he’s there at end of the 5th rd after that he’s gone.
I’m leaning more offense we have players that won’t be here next year and i thinking most are offensive players . We need to balance the pay scale soon for the future.
The talent in this draft it seems is deeper on the offensive side.
I wouldn’t mind that at all. Not to flashy, unique athletes. Would take the risk of a Jason Campbell somewhere in there.
Yes, another fan of Sio Moore. The rest of that draft looks pretty good too, although if available I like Emmett Cleary over Reid Fragel.
I love Eddie Lacey as a fit for this offense. My only concern would be what it would mean for Turbin. 15-25 carries for Lynch, 10-15 for Lacey and 5-10 between Wilson and Harvin doesn’t leave much for Turbin. I think he showed enough last year to earn more carries instead of less. It would be hard for him to develope with only +-5 carries a game. That would pretty much mean writing Turbin off unless an injury or salary cap problem gets rid of Lynch in the next few years. Personally I would rather see them draft a RB in the the mid to late rounds that is a shorter, yet still powerful back in the Jones-Drew mold that gives the defense a different look. Either that or a fullback with some running and catching ability. Having a back up for Robinson would be a good thing. Lonnie Pryor from Florida State or the kid from Harvard, Jusczyzk might be interesting.
Lacey would not break my heart though. The kid is a beast.
Yeah, a replacement for MikeRob in the near future should be on the shopping list.
I was looking for a nice pass catching FB in the draft…that skill/position is really a bygone era but I can see it fitting in nicely with this offense.
Thanks for the extra round Rob. You spoil us!
I really like Lacy’s game and think he is going to be an impact back day one. However, I think he is just to talented to fall allthe way to #56. If GB could put him in the backfield, that would be a match made in heaven.
Also, I think Pete’s desire for a stronger pass rush has become a full blown obsession. If he can’t get an interior guy who can create pressure, then I think he picks up another edge rusher. He has been very forthcoming about his intentions in the past, so I will hold him at his word do attack that need.
Eddie Lacy might be a beast in the college game, behind that Alabama line, but is he really the best option for our first pick? If we pick a running back, I hope it isn’t until day 3. Turbo and Lynch look to be an extremely dynamic combo, and I’m not sure a Ron Dayne clone would really benefit us.
I would like it if we picked a dynamic athlete with our first pick, but this year, it doesn’t look like any ru
**running backs are worth that high a grade. At least to our team.
Ball or Lattimore in the 4th/5th would be pretty good though.
Another highly entertaining mock Rob – especially with the extra round.
I wonder if STL wouldn’t be forced to take Vaccaro if he’s still on the board at 16. They have a serious need at S, what with losing Dahl in FA and releasing Mikell for cap reasons. Even if they resign Mikell, they still have a glaring deficiency there. I suppose they could take Eric Reid in R2, but I think there’s a major drop in talent between Vaccaro and Reid, and not nearly as much among the WR prospects who should still be available at 22. Heck, even Denard is a major offensive weapon to get in R2.
I admit being intrigued by a Lynch-Lacey backfield, but I’m concerned about his wretched off season and what all that says about his work ethic. This is the most important time in his professional like so far and it looks like he couldn’t really care less. He may be a powerful RB, but one would like to see more fire in his belly (as opposed to beer and pizza).
Also, I’m still hoping for Lattimore in R3 or R4. I think he’s got bigger upside than any other RB in the draft and represents a better value for the pick.
Fair shout on the Rams.
I love the idea of Lacey in the second to the Hawks. Mostly because I’m a big fan and think he has more talent as a RB then a certain ‘Bama back who went in the 1st round last year. That said I don’t think Turbin is strictly a third down back and you would be miss handling your personal if you took such another talented back so early, but then again he is talented.
I love the upside of Brennan Williams out of NC in the mid rounds and it seems as if this draft could end up being very deep looking back a few years from now.
*very deep along the Tackle position I was referring to.
Looking at the moves the FO has made in free agency, I feel as though they will focus on upgrading the Branch position and strengthen depth behind Mebane and Red. They’ve solidified Leo depth. What they are still lacking is a player to replace Branch on 1st and 2nd down. They have to have evaluated the depth behind Mebane and Red and found it lacking. If Mebane were hurt, our run defense would collapse. We have almost zero depth behind Red and Mebane. I’m thinking we’re going to draft a run stuffing DT in the 2nd or 3rd.
I completely agree. I would not be at all surprised if we picked up 2 DTs in our first 3 picks (not like anything they do would surprise me), assuming there are no further FA pickups. Our lack of depth there is astounding.
As much as I wanted to like Turbin last year as a 2-back, I didnt see anything to like until Week 16. Lacy IMO isn’t much of a drop-off in talent from Trent Richardson, and I think he adds to the team this year in both relief and as a backup in case of injury. He’s also the guy you pass the torch off to once Beast’s salary becomes impractical, and move Turbin back into the 2 spot Like the pick.
His burst is a little lacking, compared to Richardson, but he seems like a great Michael Turner/Marshawn Lynch type back in terms of his balance and deceptive agility. His spin move is fun to watch, and. He has the constant leg churn that one likes to see in a back. Slippery is a term I might apply to this guy
There are better values than Lacy in this draft. MSU back pretty nasty himself, bigger and faster than Lacy and puts together multiple moves to shed tackles.
It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Hawks take a RB early in next years draft but not this one. Lynch is only a year into his new contract and could probably go another season before needing a young buck to spell him more frequently.
Plus, I would imagine that PC/JS would like to see what they have in Turbin a little more.
Other then a player too good to pass on being on the board at pick #56 John and Pete started this team with a lot of physically imposing big guys on the D-line side. I see us taking the same type of ground mover or physical player at that spot. We need to keep par with at least what we had last year as far as the out put for the D goes. So far we have beefed up on the O and at our speed spots along the D-line. I don’t think age matters to PC and JS (unless is a 30 yr old) and expect to see a bit of a surprise at our second round pick.
Sorry, just don’t see this playing out. Lacy most likely a Ram. What happened to Margus Hunt? Have a hard time believing he’ll be available in round 4. B. Williams getting past us in the 3rd? Hope not.
Lot of mixed reports on Hunt. Hard to project. Could be a R1. Could be a R6.
Where do you feel he will go? Just saying, I would think he would be gone by round 3.
Margus Hunt has Seahawk written all over him.
Hunt has Jets written all over him as that Rex Ryan was seen talking to him at SMU’s pro-day.
Exactly Peter! Who was rumored to be interested in Bruce Irvin in round 1 last year….The Jets. Tremendous athlete, track fast and country strong. Has proven to be a fast learner too. Remember how Russell Wilson was too short. Margus is to Raw. To pass up! If he is available at 56, there will be no more questions on where he could possibly go. Watch the tape on his latter games. Explosive athlete in the middle of our D line. I’m still hoping he slips past the 9ers.
I hope we draft Margus Hunt. He is a matchup nightmare who destroys blockers with physical superiority. Imagine his upside with some technique! Brandon Williams is my 2nd favorite. His upside is enormous and I do not buy that BS about his lower body strength being inferior. He just needs our coaches to teach him some hand techniques and better footwork which will help his balance…
I would love to get both those guys in this draft! And if he slips as predicted by Rob, we totally have a chance at it. It would be a great draft.
I’m quite the fan of Margus Hunt. And think his best spot would be rushing inside on passing downs. I thin he is a little slow off his blocks to turn the corner on tackles but to get him from point a.- to b. via either guard I think he could wreak havoc. I understand people’s concerns about his lack of experience but you don’t JUST get to be an olympic level athlete without some next level mindset, and again, rushing on third down from the inside….not trying to be a jerk to anyone on this site that played interior D-ine, but how complicated can that be?
Margus Hunt at 56 would be fine by me…
not a fan of the Lacy pick at all. The idea of drafting a 3rd string rb in the 2nd round is absurd. I understand all the what ifs concerning Lynch, but i think they addressed this last year in a BPA type pick with Turbin…who i think is a much better back than Lacy. i expect a defensive back in the 2nd round. I cannot imagine JS\PC going after Lacy whose style and athleticism be found in the 7th round.
Agreed! There are a lot of RB’s that will be picked in mid-later rounds this year that would have looked like world beaters behind the Alabama OL. Let’s pick one of those. If Lynch were to be injured, Turbin would do just fine. He won’t drag the pile. But he hits the hole hard and fast and has some moves. He’s also a dangerous receiver, especially after the catch. I predict we target BPA with an emphasis on DL, DB, TE or WILL (though prospects seem slow this year and I think Morgan, Toomer and Smith will be ready)…
I love this site! I love it how you always do different mocks, which forces us to think a little out of the box, and discussing different players.
I definitely don’t agree with the Eddie Lacy pick though. I feel like he was carried all the way by his offensive line. I don’t think he will be very succesful in the NFL. He is just the type of player that never wows. While he is big, he looks really slow on tape, and even in spite of his size and isn’t really able to punish defenders all that well. He will consistently break armtackles and such, but he just doesn’t really run people over. Had he been faster, I would be all for it.
Lacy is going to be a stud! I think he’s better then T. Richardson. I put him in the A. Perterson category myself.
He’ll be a 1st rounder, so this is a non issue. But if he actually did drop, I would welcome that pick easily.
Peterson – my bad
Not better than Richardson, nor on the level of Peterson. But he’s certainly got Lynch-like potential.
Well so far it wouldn’t be that hard to be better then Trent Richardson or Marc Ingram…..nice solid but so far unspectacular backs running at the 3.6yds/ carry clip…….doesn’t seem that hard to me to find a back doing that….oh wait we did…Robert Turbin averaged 4.4 yds a carry last year.
And Alfred Morris is the best RB to come out of college in recent memory because he averaged 4.8 ypc? Or do you think it had more to do with the read-option freezing the play-side DE and also forced someone in the box to account for RGIII running as well? So much more goes into YPC to include your O-line, offensive scheme, situations you are running in (goal-line vs. change of pace where defense might only have 6 or 7 in the box) that it barely reflects the quality of a back.
The fact of the matter is that Turbin is not the bruising change-of-pace back that everyone wants him to be. While he LOOKS like he should, he doesn’t finish runs near as strong as Beast/AP/Richardson/Lacy. When I watch Lacy run, I would compare it very closely to Richardson or Darren McFadden. They run top-heavy but are able to somehow keep their balance when it looks like they shouldn’t (you see this with Lacy’s spin move a lot), and finish with abandon.
RIchardson played behind a horrible run blocking O line, with a broken rib, and in a 1 dimensional offense. That he even sniffed 1000 yards is a tribute his talent. There’s a reason he was a top five pick in a stacked draft class. He’s light years ahead of Lacy, who is also good enough to not really expect to be around at 56 but would be a nice addition if he was.
I was defending Richardson in that post, saying that his YPC is not an indication of how good he is because of how much he was asked to do. I was also complimenting Lacy’s running style in that post, saying that it looks very similar to the way Richardson runs and I really don’t think they are that far apart talent-wise. IMO Richardson was a massive reach for Cleveland to give up what they did in order to trade up from 4 to 3 to get him.
By the way, Marshawn averaged 3.5 YPC in 2010, 4.2 in 2011, and 5.0 in 2012. O-line, read-option wrinkle and his talent all contribute to his increase in production.
No…actually Arian Foster is the best RB from a value over continued value matrix over the last few years…..when Alfred Morris can continue to do it for say 3 seasons….not a hallmark of Shannahans RB”s typically, then we’ll see….
But if you aren’t going to quantify YPC, unless you view it holistically with regards to such things as Oline play, then perhaps Eddie Lacey should be valued even less in my eyes….
I mean to run behind a right hand side that features 2 first rounders, and a future center/guard that was an outland trophy winner has to play a hand in your overall stats, does it not?
Excellent point I eluded to in above post. I hope we do not draft Lacy at #56. We would help our team much more with a run stuffer and/or DL pass rusher to line up next to Mebane and stress the pocket so our DE’s can clean up!
I had a dream last night that I went on this site and at the top of the feed was: “MATT FLYNN TRADED TO JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS FOR FIRST ROUND PICK”
We can find a space eater DT in the late rounds of the draft or in secondary free agency.
I still like Jenkins in round 2, though…and would hate to see him on SF.
I think it’s funny that there are some mixed reactions for Lacy at #56 for a RB that that has been mostly mocked in the 1st round on this site. I would be really happy with this pick. Everyone would be so elated if Zach Ertz fell to the Hawks at #56 because we might need a Zach Miller clone to replace him next year for cap purposes. I think the same thing could be said about Lynch not that (I doubt) the Hawks release him at the end of next season but Haven-forbid he got injured and went on IR? I definitely think we will be drafting a RB in this draft and it’s up to Seattle to figure out where the best value will be. Lacy in RD2 would be a steal, I like Christine Michael because of his cut back ability and explosion through the hole in RD3 or you could go with a “depth” type guy later in the draft but if Lynch went down in the preseason would that dash our super bowl dreams?
What if Sherman went down, or Earl Thomas, or Max Unger, or Russel Wilson……None of these players and Lynch have replacements on this team that can play at their current level…..At least with RB you could change your game plan from power run, to screens and slants with Turbin…if Earl Thomas goes down int he preseason that’s a foundational core of the defensive philosophy that allows Sherm/Browner/Kam all do what they do…
When you say “change your game plan” with Turbin by running “screens and slants” that would be the aforementioned “ideological shift in philosophy” that Rob talked about above. Pete game plan is always going to start with running the ball down the other teams throat. It helps the defense stay fresh. It sets up the passing game. This team wants to physically break their opponent’s will. If Lynch went down – they would lose the key to their strategy. The other players you mentioned are great players and very important – but the philosophy wouldn’t change with them out – it just won’t be done as effectively. And they don’t take the beating that Lynch does play in and play out. Lynch is one of a handful of backs that isn’t in a time share. That can’t last forever and with a player like Lacy falling to the second round – I think it might be such great value for this team, with this philosophy, to pass up.
Maybe we overstate philosophical ideals then?
If this team wanted to “break teams wills,” then it would stand to reason you may want to pull a patriots as an example and lay a ton of points on their opponents as fast as possible?
Or perhaps you would go out of your way to create sustained pressure on the D-line?
The philosophy defensively that Pete Carrol has created via a safety of Earl Thomas’ or Polamalu’s caliber would absolutely change for the rest of the defense were they to be out…
I guess I’m seeing it differently then you. I love Lynch and his style is amazing. But Pete Carrol has always practiced since his days in New England a balanced, not run dominate approach to offenses…if you look back at his time at USC, in 2002 with Norm chow that team aired it out quite a bit, and then you go to 2005 reggie bush and lendale white carried the rock less times combined then Leinart attempted passes…..point to me is that when Carrol has had a QB who leans towards throwing it, and when he doesn’t as stated above: Hasselbeck, Jackson, a rookie QB who is learning the game, he always leans to the run. That’s not a philosophical change that’s good coaching and common sense.
I have to say that a RB with our top pick would be pretty disappointing. The value just isn’t there, particularly for the Seahawks (this is nothing to do with Lacy himself, just a positional argument).
Would you list RB as a top priority need for Minnesota this year? Lynch is a full year *younger* than Adrian Peterson (and earns a LOT less money). We have a dominant running back at the heart of his prime. Spending our best pick now on a guy to be his caddy for 2-3 years, then potential replacement, just doesn’t make sense when we have three open starter/near-starter roles on defense (WILL, early-down 3-tech, Nickel CB).
I’d also argue if we’re going to draft a backup/developmental guy, RB is probably the worst option. Why? RB’s have the quickest/easiest transitions to the pros and the shortest lifespan once they arrive. If we do have to replace Lynch in a couple years, we’d rather have a rookie do it then than a third-year guy (and if Lynch goes down this year, there are always UDFA/practice squad guys who can contribute off the scrap heap as a backup to Turbin).
We’d get much better value, for example, with a backup swing tackle, who is going to need time to transition to the NFL and our blocking scheme and who will be better a few years down the road when he might be needed as a replacement starter. Or a third safety, who might not get on the field quite as much as a #2 RB (Jeron Johnson played 13% of defensive snaps last year to Turbin’s 22% of offensive ones), but who will be a major contributor on ST while he develops behind Earl and Kam.
None of that says I actually think we should spend our first pick on a depth guy, but if we do I would prioritize backups/developmental options at any of QB (if Flynn leaves), T, TE, WR, 5-tech, 1-tech, CB, or S over RB. That said, this isn’t a great board for SEA at #56, but if it fell this way I think they’d have to grab John Jenkins as a Branch replacement (early-down 3-tech plus primary backup at 1- and 5-tech), who would get on the field a lot more (and fill a much more critical need) than a backup RB.
I think it’s about the value Lacy becomes at #54. I would agree completely with you and that a RB pick early is a waist.
But, Lacy is way too special IMO to pass up. He is a franchise RB. And I don’t agree with the above poster that Lacy is just a Lynch or some average RB. He’s better IMO. He’s a special talent.
In my view, and my studies, I think he IS on Peterson’s level. And Richardson gets hurt, so I think Lacy will be better then him.
You don’t pass on a sure thing, or what I think is, especially when RB’s life span doesn’t last long. Lacy would allow us to not spend big money on a soon to be declining Lynch (See Alexander).
I think Lynch still has a good 4 years, but the signs will show up soon. He’ll begin to fade.
You can always make a trade too. You never stuck with to much talent if you want to move it.
Lacy is the only RB I would consider early. But, if he fell (And I know he won’t) I would jump on it.
Besides, we really do have most holes covered, and still would have 9+ picks to use on other areas.
You make some great points.
Last year, heading into the draft, everyone was hopeful that Flynn would offer a big improvement at QB but we all knew he would never be a top 5 franchise QB. In terms of becoming a powerhouse, the number one need was franchise QB but they still drafted a pass rusher with their top pick and a LB with their 2nd pick. The next pick is already one of legend…
Deja vu in 2011 when you could argue in retrospect that they had a very high need for a shutdown CB, but instead they drafted an OT, OG, and WR before the big score…
The real point of all this is that just because one can make a case for WOLB being the number one need, or a Mark Barron type for the nickel, or a Joker TE, or another tall WR, it doesn’t mean the top need automatically becomes the top pick. The ‘Hawks brass fill their needs holistically throughout the entirety of the body of the draft, matching the best available to their market value as assigned by the hive mind (where the majority sees them getting drafted). And it has clearly been extraordinarily successful.
Even if their number 1 “need” right now is a replacement backup QB, how can we fault a methodology that has struck gold several times over. If an end of the 2nd round pick goes to a RB, I think we can trust to say odds are he will justify the selection.
Great Post!
Is sounded like I said Lynch was average RB – That’s not what I meant. Lynch is very good!
But, I put Peterson in a complete differet group. And I see Lacy as the next Peterson.
Lacy doesn’t have Peterson speed.
Why is it every year the next back comng out is the next Peterson last year it was, T-rich, before that Ingram. Listen to me now…..NO BACK since Peterson is the second coming of Peterson, he is 1 of the top 5 backs of ALL-Time.
Agreed. The backs of that pedigree: Peterson, Richarson, Tomlinson etc. are pretty easy to spot. They don’t get out of the top 10 by virtually anyone. A guy like Ingram, he’s a lesser tier type back. Some become Doug Martin. Some stay Mark Ingram.
Well, that’s why this is kind of a joke to even be talking about Lacy at 54…
He’ll be a top 10-16 pick IMO
Hasn’t worked out, didn’t endear himself to clubs at the combine, currently injured. I don’t think he will be a top-10 pick. Right now he needs to prove he belongs in round one at all.
Yeah, that’s why I said 10-16.
I think he falls in there because of the no show stuff, where otherwise he may have been inside the top 10. He’s already proven who he is IMO.
We’ll see I guess. I think he goes before 20 easily. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Arizona takes him at 7. I don’t see Rams passing him at 22 worse case.
I could easily see him falling out of the first. The premium on backs just keeps eroding away. Add that to every time Shannahan pulls a rabbit out of his hat, guys like foster, Bryce Brown, and mix in a dash of Alabama backs haven’t blown up as of yet I just don’t see the need for teams to come rushing to the podium in the first for a RB.
Rob,
for future mocks, and this pertains to Lacey, the TE pick for Denver is a good one, but perhaps consider Lacey for Denver..?….
The general mood from the talking heads and writers here ( in Denver) is that none of their RB’s may be back next season, and playing in the crazy weather here, as noted by their game against Baltimore, a back that could truly grind it out here in all extremes may be considered.
Just a thought…
Keep up all the awesomeness on your blog!!! I just assume you are mocking Lacey to us because you secretly want Robert Woods at 56,…man that guy just passes the old eye test as a football player!
With Lacy, I skim a little off the top because he ran behind a great OL. Plug a mid-late round prospect with similar measureables behind that great OL and get similar results. Plug in Adrian Peterson and he might rush for 3000 yards!
Well, I don’t know what you’re hearing but I’m not of that group your talking about.
I hated Ingram and he was not worthy of a 1st round draft pick.
Richardson was ok, but I labeled him as Lynch. And you may be surprised what Richardson does this year. He could be the top back, and will be a top 8 F.F. pick.
I never compared him to A. Peterson though.
Spiller was a guy I was high on. I love him. But, he was a different kind of back and I would have admitted that at the time of course. He was more the “big play/fast/recieveing” back.
Lacy – I’m going to compare him to Peterson still. Maybe he won’t ever reach that status. Pretty hard to do. But, I like him as a real possibility to be that next big thing. Of course, it will help to go to the right team. That does matter.
A. Peterson only ran a 4.40 at Pro Day. Not blazing. Heck, Turbin ran that right?
When I watch the tape of Lacy, I see Peterson. I stand by that so we’ll see.
(I drafted A. Peterson his rookie year in my 2 man keeper F.F. league and still have him today – I plan to make Lacy the next long term plan)
Lacy is a powerful back no question. It’s hard to divorce the quality of the line he ran behind, versus the individual skill. And that same problem was prevalent with Peterson at Oklahoma.
If I look at last year’s tape, I don’t see Lacy comparing favorably to Richardson in 2011. They are different backs to be sure. But I don’t see the similar dynamic playmaking ability. And while Lynch is considered a bruiser, I think that is very much a misnomer. Lynch has excellent shiftiness. He possesses great balance. And he possesses equal strength cutting either right or left. He has a slew of really glossed over talents that make him much more than simply a power back.
I don’t see those qualities with Lacy. He doesn’t have much shiftiness at all. He hits a hole well and he can certainly run with power. But I can’t even say for sure if he’s a good candidate for a ZBS.
I will admit, I’ve not really looked at him closely. But from a superficial read, I didn’t come away with an impression that I needed to look at him further. He seemed like just another physical back. More like a Shon Greene kind of bowling ball runner.
You’re completely wrong IMO.
But that’s your view, although not sure how you can not look at games/tape and then begin to talk about him based off “superficial reading”?
He does in fact have shiftiness. He does the exact things you talk about Lynch doing. He is great at his cut backs, spin moves, and elusiveness. I think better then Lynch and more like Peterson.
And when it’s needed, of course be blows over folks or runs by them and is a power runner.
And he catches well when used.
The cutbacks, quick feet, change of direction with quick slants and elusiveness are what I LOVE about him for his power and size. This is what I see on tape anyway. For a big guy like him, and with those moves, this is exactly why he reminds me of ADP.
I think he’ll be really good. It’s a stretch for me to say he’ll be Peterson maybe, but I see something very special and not just some big back and slouch like S. Green. That’s not even a question in my book.
He won’t be there for us and like others said, we really don’t need RB anyway. So I’m ready to move on. 😉
Since when is 4.4 not blazing speed for a 220 pound running back?!
I think people forget we still have Robinson at fullback and as far as carries and screens should be a factor because people forget that other than blocking fullbacks can run the ball and they like Robinson can catch it from out of the back position. In my opinion he’s actually not used enough but there is only one football.
Hey Y’all ~
I was wondering what folks thought about Zac Stacy. Is this guy on your radar?
I’ve been watching some highlights and I like what I see. Seems like this kid could be a genuine sleeper. Cbs sports has him rated as the #16 RB prospect and chosen as a 6th rnd projection. Based on what I’ve seen in tape and his combine numbers, he’s worthy for consideration as one of the top 5 RBs and certainly worth a 3rd or 4th round pick. Here’s why;
TAPE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLOBrUQQNzo
I think the best thing you might notice about him is that while he doesn’t have the highest top speed, he seems to reach his full speed quickly and adjusts really well at speed. He makes very quick and smooth cuts. He doesn’t broadcast his cuts by juking too much, he simple cuts at the right time to make people miss. His timing is solid. Being from Oregon, I’ve watched a lot of Kenyon Barner. Kenyon is a bit more powerful and has higher top speed than Zac but I think Zac displays more ability.
MEASURABLES:
5’8″ – 216lbs…..Big? No. Big enough? Yes
40 yrd: 4.55 ….To put that in perspective, that’s the same speed as Doug Martin, 1/100th slower than Christine Michael (4.54), 5/100th slower than Robert Turbin (4.50). Fast enough? Definitely!
Bench Press: 27 Reps ….that ties with Christine Michael for 3rd among 2013 RBs, Doug Martin and Robert Turbin had 28)
3 Cone Drill: 6.70….That is second among 2013 RBs. Christine Michael was 1/100th faster (6.69) Considerably better than Doug Martin (6.79) and Alfred Morris (7.01)
Vertical Jump: 33″ …..this is not great. Christine Michael is godlike with 43″. Zac is closer to 2012 comparibles, Robert Turbin (36″) Doug Martin (36″) Alfred Morris(35.5″)
Broad Jump: 10’2″ ….that’ tied for 6th among 2013 RBs. Christine was 2nd at 10’5″. 2012 comparibles were equal or worse. R. Turbin was same as Zac with 10’2″, D. Martin (10’0″) A. Morris (9’9″)
20 yrd shuttle: 4.17 …Christine Michael again god like #1 for 2013 RBs (4.02) 2012 comparibles D. Martin (4.16) A. Morris (4.19) R. Turbin (4.31)
Measurables Conclusion: Yes I think I would prefer Christine Michael. Its hard to overlook his physical talents but Zac is certainly comparable in many tests and they both compare well to successful RBs from last years class.
CHARACTER:
Zac has a brother with special needs. Zac shows a solid commitment to family and a serviceful mindset by majoring in special education and has been involved with many related charitable causes.
Here is a page about his commitment to his brother;
http://www.sportsality.com/a-brothers-inspiration/
So Rob and Kip….Have you guys checked out Zac much? What do you think?
One of the things I like about Stacey is despite his size he is very adept at running between the tackles. He plays a lot bigger than his height.
Zac Stacy would be my sleeper pick at hb right now. 3rd – 5th round.
Rob, would like to hear more about your thought process on Denard Robinson in the 2nd. Seems like the original thought was he was just too raw at WR to be more than a 5th or 6th round project. Are you sensing teams view his potential as just too enticing to let slip? Or has he shown enough marked improvement at their recent pro-day to erase some concerns? Simply a gut feeling based on the unpredictability of this draft?
He projects better as a scat back type RB and a read option wrinkile. He has tons of potential. Check the archives. There’s a great post about him
In the Atlanta game Lynch didn’t have a very good game. One of my friends who is a football coach called me during that game and he thought Lynch was playing hurt. He said he was running upright too much in the game and he just didn’t look like the same back as earlier in the year. I have no idea but maybe he is right and having another backup would help later in the season and hopefully the Super Bowl.
I think Lynch had an injury throughout the playoffs…foot, iirc
I think its pretty interesting that we are arguing the merits of taking the concensus “best” rb in the draft late in the 2nd round. It says volumes about how far backs have slid in terms of value. A few years ago lacey could easily been considered for 1 overall. (top 10 at the very least.) this says to me that the concept of BPA it self has changed. I think if you have a rb and a left tackle with identical ratings the tackle is worth more. It re defines the concept of value drafting for me. I think the the hawks FO refine this concept even more by identifying individual skills and assigning a value to them, such as speed/ size ratio, length, ect. But i also belive that they value a players brain very highly. I think this is how players like sherman wilson and wagner were targeted. Its pretty cool to be a fan of this team and watch the managment rewrite the rule book when it comes to player evaluation. I cant wait to see how this draft plays out cause i expect to to be another great one where nothing would suprise me!
Seahawks signed Tony McDaniel. I guess now they really can draft BPA.
(My) needs after this signing:
1) Swing OT – we are very thin at tackle behind the starters.
2) Backup 1-tech – no true 1-tech behind Mebane
3) competition @ OLB – can we improve on the USC gang + Toomer?
4) competition @ TE – someone to challenge McCoy and beat out McGrath and Heflet
5) 3rd RB – I like the idea of grooming another complete back, since Harvin/Tate/Wilson fill the scatback role.
6) competition @ slot CB – I am higher on Thurmond/Lane/Maxwell than most, but agree that we should add to the pile.
I think our current stable of offensive linemen include guys that would be as good as a backup swing OT type. If we draft an OT, it should be someone who could be groomed to start down the road.
I think they could go 1Tech, WOLB, or TE but if Flynn’s gone, they may be forced to take a QB early. OT and tall WR are both organizational needs as well perhaps to help with the salary cap as they re-sign the Legion of Boom.
Lacy can’t hold peterson’s lunch tray. The comparison doesn’t make a whole ton of sense when you look at each player’s ability. Also, the guy looks great, (when he’s on the field), because his line is NFL caliber. Kwandjo is going to be a top 5 pick next year. Fluker, warmack, etc. that’s a possible three first rounders, and even they couldn’t keep him clean enough to avoid injuries. The most important ability for a rb is sometimes availability. He’s got good feet, and good power, but he also runs upright a lot. He will continue to take shots full on. The talent just doesn’t match up as well. He’s not even Steven Jackson in his prime, let one AP.
I’m a no on RB at 2 maybe 6th or 7th but we drafted that position already last year.
FB robinson is under used, this man can block but he can run and catch. 1 of the best players under used but then there’s only 1 ball to go around.
I’d like to go 2 rbs 2 fbs mikerob god love him is almost wrong side of 30
RealRob’s on the last year of his deal, they’ll re-evaluate after this year as they do with all of their players. For what he makes (not much), he brings a lot. He’ll be hard to replace.
What jumps out on his tape is his plus vision and his plus plus balance. It can be easy for a RB to take themselves down by expecting contact and end up overcompensating forward in a way that causes them to tackle themselves. Lacy seems to never do that despite delivering blow after blow. He also has some deceptive speed and is really punishing to defenders. The only thing I didn’t like was the back and forth jitter move that didn’t fake anybody out. He should just forget about that stuff and do what he does best. He won’t last till our current 2nd pick but it would be fun to alternate him with BeastMode if we had him. IF they swap 2nds with the Raiders, he might be an option. We’ve been real lucky so far with Marshawn being able to keep going but you’d have to consider the fact that his back could be more of a problem at some point.
I wouldn’t mind picking up Zac Stacy later in the draft to compliment Marshawn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9L8lAbcN4A
I agree that Lacy will not be there at #56 though. Check out the link. Zac Stacy played in the SEC with Vanderbilt. Broke some records there as well. Seams like a leader on the team.
Interesting mock Rob, loved the added round 3! Please keep that in next time too! Stop, people, Lynch is BEASTMODE. Dont talk about cutting ties with this man. The day will come when he starts missing time and slows down but hopefully he can continue at this pace for at least one if not two more seasons. He is our running game.
That said it makes sense to draft another RB for depth. Lacy probably wont get past St. Louis at #22 but history shows that RB’s can be found throughout the draft and as UDFA. The RB drafted hopefully will be able to return kicks and punts too. I know we have Harvin and Tate but it doesnt hurt to have depth.
I think Alabama RBs are over valued. Recent history shows that all Alabama RBs come into the pro’s as the most sought after runners. Obviously they have the deck stacked in their favor at Bama. In the pro’s they do not, and year after year these Bama Boys are out performed. Lets look at last year;
Trent Richardson picked 3rd overall despite the fact that he didn’t compete at the combine or his pro day. The results, in his first year he is 18th in the league in yards rushing with a woeful 3.6 yards per carry.
Mark Ingram was a Heisman trophy winner and picked 28th overall and yet in his second year pro he is the 31st in rushing yards with only a 3.9 yard average. Maybe you can excuse him a little because he shares the backfield with two other backs. I must say that every time Chris Ivory gets the ball, you find yourself wondering why he’s the third option in NO.
Now we have Eddie Lacy coming out. Like Richardson he has bowed out of Combine and Pro days. He’s happy to ride the myth of Alabama backs all the way to the first round and why wouldn’t he. But shouldn’t we know better by now?
His college performance was less dynamic than his failed predecessors and yet we are ready to anoint him as the best back in the draft?
Reminds me of quote often attributed to Einstein; “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Will we ever learn?
Yeah, I have to agree.
Well said. I think some people don’t watch a lot of college football, so they focus on the prospects that are highly touted and don’t see that there are better players at less hyped schools that don’t win as many games. For example, LeVeon Bell is significantly more elusive AND bigger. Zac Stacy has been mentioned already, but at 218 he has elite burst (so does Turbin, who is already on the roster by the way). Lynch is the starter, Turbin the backup/3rd down specialist. We cut ties with Washington because those two guys do it all very well. It also allows for Percy Harvin to carve out a role in the backfield. The backfield is fricking stacked at this point – when you add in Mike Rob (elite FB, and Russ). What are we, the Carolina Panthers?? How many running backs do you think will get carries? Especially since we are going to let Russ throw a few more passes a game and Percy’s going to get some runs as well. As it is, Turbin stands to lose touches as the #2 back – how many touches is the #3 back going to have?
Lynch’s heir apparent is probably a Freshman (or High School Senior) right now, rookies contribute from day one so I don’t know why anyone is ready to replace one of the top-3 backs in the NFL. Turbin will hold down the pass-pro and 3rd downs, so the rookie we draft in 2016 or so to replace Beastmode can just be a runner.
I like the idea that Lynch’s replacement is in High School!….
I like Bell as well. He probably goes in the 2nd or 3rd round. I wouldn’t be mad to see him in a Seahawks jersey.