Told Phil Loadholt is a done deal. Back to #Vikings. $2M base. Can earn up to $3.5M with incentives.
— Darren Wolfson (@DWolfsonKSTP) March 7, 2016
If the Seahawks were interested in Loadholt, they’ll need a Plan B.
I’ll update this post accordingly if anything else ‘Hawks related emerges on day one of the legal tampering period.
#Broncos will place 2nd round tender on ILB restricted free agent Brandon Marshall. #Dolphins, #Seahawks among those could be interested
— Troy Renck (@TroyRenck) March 7, 2016
Marshall only ran a 4.81 at his combine in 2012 so he’s not the kind of athlete they’ve generally gone for. They are likely to need to replace Bruce Irvin. This would be one way of doing it — using their second rounder on a 26-year-old veteran.
@Seahawks agree to a three year deal to keep Strong DT Ahytba Rubin. #GoHawks
— Paul Allen (@PaulGAllen) March 8, 2016
No surprises here that Rubin re-signed. Pete Carroll praised him as the best three technique he’d had in Seattle. This is a positive move to begin free agency.
I saw someone say that Denver was gonna put a 2nd round tender on LB Brandon Marshall, and that Seattle and Miami might be interested.
Have a hard time beleiving that one.
Thanks for the tip, added to the piece.
If anyone sees anything (report, social media etc) let me know.
Forgive my ignorance, but I thought the Broncos already designated Von Miller as protected and that you can only do that with one player?
I believe they franchised Miller.
They franchised Miller. Marshall is a restricted FA.
CJ Anderson original round tender – He wa in drafted – last year was abysmal, but like Murray he excelled as the feature back in 2014 (with much less snaps). Could be an option.
Undrafted* per PFF
Was he abysmal last year? Had the sames 4.7 y.p.c. as the year before. Statistically speaking, he was pretty much the same, and running behind a bad/inexperienced o-line.
He was abysmal if you had him in fantasy! But he started off the year hurt and that mired him in a timeshare with Hillman which the Broncos seemed loath to abandon until the playoffs even though CJA was vastly more efficient from November on. (I think SB50 was his first start.)
His regular season line after week 6: 85-540-5 for 6.4 ypc
Then in the postseason he went 54-234-2 at 4.3 ypc
He just turned 25 and has barely 400 career carries, including postseason. He’ll be good get if someone can pry him away on a bargain contract.
Tell Denver they can KEEP Marshall. However I would be interested in Georgia RB Keith Marshall.
SEAHAWKS SIGN RUBIN TO 3 YEAR DEAL!!!!!!
Awesome! So glad to hear this!
Bummer. Not the end of the world, however.
Trade in the works sending Byron Maxwell and Kiko Alonso to MIA for draft picks… Chip really missed the mark with those moves.
Buy high, sell low. Why Chip away at a rock when you can just blow it up?!!
If we picked up Brandon Marshall would we lose our second round pick this year or next?
Ian Rapoport
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#Eagles have made it known that it’s not just DeMarco Murray who is available, but also Ryan Mathews, as well, for the right price.
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#Seahawks LB Bruce Irvin has clear interest from #Jaguars & #Falcons, with many connections. But keep an eye on #AZCardinals. They like him
Think Seattle will make a trade for someone, re-sign Lane and Tuba, either keep ‘Bane or grab another cheap vet DT, and sign an O-lineman.
Okung is the wildcard for me.
I like Irvin, and wish him well. Would hate to see him on a division rival.
I would want Ryan Mathews way more than DeMarco Murray, especially for that price. I think Mathews is a good player man. He’s exactly the type we want and we can have him for $3m and probably a mid-round pick.
TO INJURED
Justin Arbogast
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#Cardinals have their sights set on #Seahawks LB Bruce Irvin, and may end up snagging him away.
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This would really suck… Come on Jags, step it up!
Rapoport tweeting that the Jags and Falcons are aiming for Bruce Irvin. Also, says that the Cardinals are among those interested as well. It’s pretty much a certainty that Bruce is gone (he’s hinted as much on twitter), but he would be an interesting player in that defense…..Only good thing that could come out of him going to Arizona is if he milks them for every dollar. Which they probably pass on. Hopefully.
It doesn’t surprise me to see the Seahawks interest in Marshall. He’s one of the best non-pass rushing linebackers in football. He would be an upgrade over Bruce Irvin the linebacker. Great run defense and coverage ability.
I like him.
Even if Seattle doesn’t get him, IMO he’s the kind of LB they’ll target in the draft.
Is he the type of athlete they usually target? 4.81 seems really slow for the LB group.
Probably not, but sometimes the player is so good that it doesn’t matter what his athletic profile is. I feel like Michael Bennett is the same.
Not usually.
I just meant I think they’ll target a LB with his size and skill set, if the pass rushers are gone. Keep an eye on Vandy’s Stephen Weatherly though.
Not sure how much I believe that rumor.
I ama big fan of B-Marsh 2.0 however.
Playmaker, always around the ball, and helps create TO’s.
Yeah he and Danny Trevathan both seem to make plays despite any perceived athletic limitations.
A 2nd round pick for a solid, starting LB isn’t all that bad I guess. Would he be a better fit than anything we would find in the 2nd round? Plus he makes an immediate impact.
Possibly.
Here’s how I look at it, and some may disagree. They’re not gonna fill every hole or take care of every need in the draft with rookies. Yes, you build through the draft, but not every rookie is Tyler Lockett, RW, Rawl, etc.
If they gotta give up a draft pick to get a particular player they want, however it is, so be it.
Quality over quantity.
*whoever
It’s not just the pick though – you are also giving him a fat contract (relative to LB wage scale). In my view, bad teams give up picks and salary. Smart teams will only do one of the two. Put differently, you have to develop and retain your own guys. Even Denver’s free-agent fueled surge was built on signing players who didn’t carry compensatory picks.
Jimmy Graham. Percy Harvin.
… are two examples why it’s a dumb move to trade draft picks for the right to pay aging and/or troubled players high salaries.
And those are also examples of them not being afraid to pull the trigger on a guy if they feel he’s a differencd maker and better than the options in the draft.
Good points. Not sure, however, if there are examples where it has worked out. Marshawn isn’t in the same camp, since his salary was relatively low and the compensation was small. And, outside of the Seahawks, I am not coming up with successful examples off the top of my head. Carson Palmer to the Raiders stands out as a fail; Sam Bradford isn’t really the same but is a big fail; Buffalo trading for Shady looks bad. I know John and Pete made the trades, but it is hard to see them doing it again. Burn me twice … Indeed, if you look at the challenges Seattle faces in maintaining their dominance, they were greatly exacerbated by the dollars and opportunity cost of those two trades. Maybe that’s not fair because every team misses, but I’m struggling to see how the “swing for the fences” mentality has worked in the NFL. I’m more impressed with the Hawks’ courage to move decisively on from Harvin.
I’m not saying that I think those trades worked out beautifully nor am I saying that I think they should give up a draft pick and cap space for Brandon Marshall, my personal feeling is that they should focusing cap space on solidifying the line. What I am saying is that the precedent has been set that PCJS is not afraid to give up picks or salary to a player that they want.
Regardless of how you feel about Harvin or Graham I doubt those outcomes are going to cause PCJS to clam up and rely solely on the draft to supplement talent. Draft picks, while cheaper, are even more of a question mark than veterans. You’ve given a few examples of veterans that didn’t work out to expectations, I can give you hundreds of draft picks that didn’t meet expectations. Jadaveon Clowney comes to mind as one.
You’re just completely wrong about that both played to their value Harvin helped get us a ring who cares I will take that over a round 1 selection anytime
The Seahawks would have won that game anyway with or without Harvin. He just helped make it a more convincing win. Did we get something out of Harvin? Most definitely. Was he worth all the money? No. Hindsight’s 20/20.
He was worth the paycheck what matters getting the Lombardi, secondly graham has been an all star and was the teams leading receiver until he got injured. It’s inaccurate to say the Seahawks have not traded well
D.A. Osorio
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Solid player. RT @Connor_J_Hughes: Jets have expressed interest in #Seahawks G J.R. Sweezy, per report wp.me/p76x19-1BMo
Rand Getlin
@Rand_Getlin
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One player generating a ton of early interest? #Seahawks OG J.R. Sweezy. I’m told at least 10 teams have expressed serious interest.
I predict all it takes is a week of a coach screaming in a bull horn to keep low in pass pro and he will be a great oline man.
Sweezy needs to give his agent extra money for this “rumor”… he is earning his pay
According to NFLtraderumours the deal to send maxwell and alonso to Miama is nearly done.
Jeron Johnson was released, any thoughts on if he comes back? I’d wager no.
Why not? He showed he is not a starter in the league. But he’s a great special teams player. There might be some team out there that will put $2-$3m on the table for a ST guy, but he fits best with the Seahawks. If he would sign here cheap it’s a no-brainer. We would have so much depth – Thomas, Chancellor, then Shead, McCray and Johnson.
Don’t get me wrong, I get all that. I feel like he’s already hit his ceiling. The back end of this roster/pc should be full of guys like this with more potential..IMO
Long range planning for the Safety position is a NEED (IMO).
Toward the end of last season and in the Super Bowl, both ET & Kam were hurt and playing less effectively as a result. Neither player is getting any younger and indeed all good things eventually come to an end, I don’t see much of an urgent need this year, but looking a couple of years down the line, an emergency could exist in the defensive backfield, sooner than most would hope.
Thomas & Chancellor backups on the current roster are listed below along with potential replacements for them (eventually) in the coming draft. NOTE: Simmons & Davis are #1 & #2 in Safety spark rankings this year. SEE: http://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/ds/
Justin Simmons 134.9-spark, 96.2 NFL%,
Sean Davis 134.6-spark, 93.3 NFL%.
If the Seahawks should draft only one of these guys, I’d prefer Sean Davis and his ability to play both FS ands CB, he’s a really big hitter (5-FF in 2015) who is very active and gets lots of solo tackles. Watching Davis play reminds me of a combination of both ET & Kam.
Simmons MAY need a redshirt year to bulk up & learn before he might possibly replace Chancellor and/or McCray, however his #’s indicate that he is very much a special athlete at the DB position that needs to be a Seahawk. In the event that Chancellor is traded this year or next, McCray will need competent competition – so a 6-th round pick (#172 as proposed) might be a great “futures” pick in the 2016 draft.
—-Earl Thomas (drafted 2010).
5-10/202, 31-1/4″ arms, 9-3/8″ hands, 4.43/40, 21-BP, 113″-BJ.
—-(Current ET backup) = Steven Terrell (2013) UDFA out of Texas A&M)) non-combine, no #’s available. (Note: 2-yrs as a Seahawk & has 4 tackles total, so far…………
—-(2016 possible replacement for Terrell) = FS/CB-Sean Davis (2016), 6-1/201, 31-3/8″ arms, 9.5″ hands, 4.46/40, 21-BP, 37.5″-vert, 126″-BJ, 6.64-3cone, 3.97-20yd shuttle.
Note: Davis is 3″-taller & .03- seconds slower than ET with GREAT quickness, explosion & flexibility #’s.
—-Likely to cost pick #90 in the coming draft. (Doubtful to last until pick #125.)
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—-Kam Chancellor, (drafted 2010),
6-3/231, 33″ arms, 9-1/2″ hands, 4.62/40, 22-BP, 32″-vert, 116″-BJ, 20yd shuttle 4.41.
—-(Current Kam backup) = Kelcie McCray (drafted 2012); 6-2/202, 4.54/40, 12-BP, 30″-vert, 122″-BJ, 7.00-3cone, 4.29-20yd shuttle, 11.56-60yd shuttle,
—-(2016 possible replacement for Chancellor/McCray) = FS-Justin Simmons (2016), 6-2/202, 32-5/8″ arms, 9-5/8″ hands, 4.61/40, 16-BP, 40″-vert, 126″-BJ, 6.58-3cone, 3.85-20yd shuttle, 10.84-60yd shuttle.
—-Likely to cost pick #172 in the coming draft. (IF he’s available, Hawks unlikely to draft him at #125.)
In both cases above, I’d like to point out that the Seahawks like to compare potential draft picks to existing roster players with the hope that they can improve position competition and the overall roster.
Thoughts?
Nice comparisons.
Good work! Those numbers make a lot of sense. We have to replenish depth. Other teams love our FAs.
Doubt Seatte goes after a S. Maybe in UDFA.
They like McCray and Terrell.
I’m good with letting them all go outside of Rubin. Shead showed he can play corner, so a young guy needs to step up and play slot. Wouldn’t mind the idea of Bennett if it was not too expensive. Bennett and Graham should really improve that red zone.
Shead had his bad moments too…
I agree, I wouldn’t be comfortable with Shead starting full time. On the bright side, the corner position is pretty loaded right now, it’s very deep.
By a show of hands, who would have done that trade for Maxwell today? We’d pay him $8m next year – which is a lot – but it would essentially lock down that CB spot. Which as of right now is going to be hard to do.
Do you have the details of Maxwell’s contract reworking and the draft pick compensation?
I don’t. But it sounds like Philadelphia is taking on most or all of his current cap hit. Which is insane.
Jeron Johnson released today as well. Could maybe use him for depth at Safety
Disagree. One of our young developing DBs will emerge according to Pete’s history.
Who doesn’t. He was always there, never got beat badly and never got beat deep. He is not getting enough credit for the job he did.
It’s not just about getting beat in this defense though. It’s about doing your job, sticking to what you do. Everything works as one in this scheme. There was talk a few times of Shead getting out of position. From memory Lane played a lot outside when they could.
Nobody’s bad mouthing Shead or saying he didn’t do a good job. But there’s a difference between being pretty good and needing him to be the every week starter outside.
Agreed. I just think Shead being the #2 is ok by me, because their are bigger needs on the team and Lane wasn’t that great to warrant a lot of money. So for my money, ride out Shead, let Lane go and use money and picks on OL/DL, maybe a WR.
Did you see how the cornerback play impacted the team when Williams was struggling at the start of 2015?
They were desperate to get Lane back in there on top of Shead getting more snaps.
This is a key position for this team.
Shead has almost zero instincts when the ball is in the air. For a taller corner, he fails to high point the ball. He’s not a starter, in my option for a contender.
Opinion
Except when he high pointed the ball in Arizona to make the Hawks the #1 scoring offense the guy didn’t get to go through camp at corner and was always with his man and made plays on the ball
There is no bigger need than having a solid playmaker opposite Sherm. Balls get funneled to that side. Although our players are great the scheme is not designed for individual success. Having amazing players allows us to play a very vanilla defense. By having a weak second corner it becomes a huge liability. One chink in the armor and the whole defense suffers. That first option CAN NOT be open. The scheme is designed to dictate to the offense where they can go with the ball. IMO we should consider the nickel a starting spot and have 3 goood corners on the roster at all times.
I don’t remember that talk about Shead. I do remember that talk about Williams. I even heard Coach Richard saying in an interview that Shead is doing it the way they asked him. It was when Williams was released that the defense started playing like the Seahawks of old.
Shead is not perfect, but neither has any CB that has played on the other side of Sherman.
Shead had his moments, you’ll have to trust me on that one.
Good player for this team but not someone I’d want to rely on as the de facto #2.
Shead is strictly a utility DB, occasional starter.
A name going unmentioned all over, and maybe I’m missing something…
If RTis found to be our need, or as a LG, what about Andre Smith? Would come cheap, lots of experience, size they like…. 2nd or 3rd wave type player they tend to snag sometimes no?
Also, would still love Brandon Brooks! Haven’t heard much about him thus far today
Brooks fits there mold for sure. Dudes a house.
Brooks linked to $8m APY by Jason Cole. Can’t imagine the Seahawks doing that for a guard.
On Smith — the Bengals ran him into the ground and drafted his replacement a year ago. I just can’t see it.
John Clayton on ESPN Radio Saturday saying that Okungs market will be likely to be very thin, low demand for LT. Thinks only 2-3 teams might be interested and 2 of those will be looking retain their own LTs. Says wouldn’t be surprised if Okung was forced to sign a 1 year deal for ~6-7m
That could be really good. Draft a guy who could play guard for 1 year then slide him over.
Bingo
That would be really ideal, we can hope I guess.
1 yr / 3.5-5M deal
That sucks, he seemed like he’d fit hood here. At tackle or guard. Don’t even know if they were interested anyways.
I wonder what could be worse – Facing Irvin twice a year as a card or facing Sweezy twice a year as 49er??
For OG J.R. Sweezy, teams who’ve expressed interest: #Bucs, #Falcons, #Lions, #Dolphins, #Saints, #49ers, #Jags, #Bears, #Jets, others.
Line up Bennett over Sweezy and laugh at his abysmal pass blocking instead of cursing and face palms!
Love the image!
irvin way worse, we would kill Sweezy, get 10 sacks that week.
At this current time how do we replace Bruce Irvin in house? I think between clark and marsh we can get the pass rush but which of our lbs is ready to step into that starting lb position?
Kevin P-L would be an option but he’s got to improve his play. Got some real playing time this year and didn’t set himself as the natural successor. Morgan got subbed in for him at times.
Pinkins might be a dark horse. They were trying him at SAM last offseason. Looked decent towards the end of the preseason. Definitely has the athletic upside.
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
Why were the Seahawks so excited about KPL? He seems very athletic and high character, but his play was abysmal. Is he just not responding to coaching or what?
You nailed it. They were excited about his athleticism and character. He wouldn’t have been a fourth rounder if he could ball. They were hoping he could pick up the instincts, I guess. He is also a (very muscled) thin player, without the sand to holdup to power. Travis Feeney strikes me as a taller version of KPL, in that regard: super SPARQ guys who are fast enough to be very effective college athletes without the frame to succeed in the NFL.
Feeney plays with more aggression. Fierce hitter and competitor.
Gee Scott 710ESPN
@TheGeeScott
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Seahawks have offered @Mebane92, and there are 3 other teams that are interested. #Seahawks #FreeAgency
Interesting. Perhaps they’re more intent on keeping Bane over Tuba.
Rob, quick question. If the FO was looking to move Kam Chancellor, and we were also going to send our 4th rounder with him, do you think a team would give us their 2nd?
I don’t know. I doubt we’ll ever find out.
Trying to figure out a way to get a disgruntled player off the books while still adding top flight talent. Perhaps it might be enough to get Keanu Neal in addition to Ifedi and Feeney in the first two rounds, then round out the 3rd with Dahl and Prosise.
That’s one hell of haul for 3 rounds, even if you have to send Chancellor elsewhere.
Is Chancellor disgruntled though?
He took a chance and failed. There’s nothing to say he’s still on the warpath. He might’ve realised the error of his ways.
It’s possible. If he’s still looking for more $$$, we’ll have to move him, and I’d rather move him before/during the 2016 draft to help the team this year, rather than have his absence hurt the team and pick up a 3rd in 2017.
Can you run the risk of having him hold out again? Sure, we have Kelcie McCray, but I’d rather strike first and get a cheap stud replacement in there from the draft rather than play the waiting game to see if Kam really does “love his brothers” as much as he professes to.
“Can you run the risk of having him hold out again?”
Sure.
It’s not like it worked well for him last time. He isn’t doing that again. It was a total mess on his behalf.
If they know they have to deal him — they’ll do it. But us speculating on how he or the team might be feeling seems pretty futile right now.
I find that last sentence odd considering “speculating” on who the Seahawks will draft is the main focus on the blog.
He’d have to be crazy to hold out again. He could ask for a trade but there’s no indiction he has.
It’s almost guaranteed that he’s getting traded if he holds out again. Kam’s smart and he has an agent, there’s no way he doesn’t know this.
A replacement isn’t cheap if it costs a first rounder.
I think we, the fans, should give Kam another chance. He’s sacrificed a lot for this team.
I think him looking at buying a gym in Redmond speaks a lot to his future here. A failed holdout doesn’t necessarily mean there will be bad blood. Maybe he saw what Bennett last year and will go all out and then try for a raise again.
Jags need a defensive leader and to make an splash defensively. Kam and Hawks late 4 for Cypiren and their 2.
C’mon guys.
Agreed
I doubt the Kam and Jimmy speculation will end until the season starts, maybe the trade deadline, regardless of how nonsensical it is
I think Kam still has a chance to regain his form of a couple years ago. Last season wasn’t his best, but it is not uncommon for really good players to have “down” years. Sometimes those type of years refocus the play let and they come back more determined then ever.
This is a key member of the defense, and I have more faith that he’ll regain form, then I have in a rookie to come in here and do half the things Kam does.
I trust that Bam Bam is putting in mad work …I fully believe he is going to show up to camp shredded and on a mission. Shoring up that 2nd corner spot is what allows him to play like a heat seeking missile.
That Marshall rumour makes no sense to me. He is a nice LB but we would have to pay him $6 mil APY and give up a 2nd rounder. I think that would be a terrible move as you could get a really high quality rookie LB with that second round pick and save 5+ mil in cap space. Really really hope they do not make that move.
Completely agree.
Yeah, I don’t fully buy that either, but Marshall is a nice player. If true, perhaps it’s a sign that they don’t want to go LB in R1, and in R2 around pick 56, they don’t see value there. A R2 pick seems pretty high for Marshall.
If the Seahawks think he’s an impact player, that they’ll struggle to fill the LB position in the draft, that he grades far better than the guys on their roster and they don’t really think much to the value at #56 — they’ll consider moves like this. They’ve consistently looked at these types of moves and completed a couple.
Chances are they’ll just kick the tires — but they have major previous here.
Rob what you are saying is true. But they have NOT done that well. They traded first and third for Harvin and traded a first for Jimmy Graham.
OK well Harvin was worth it, so was graham.
Imagine this it’s super bowl 48 start of the second half Doug Baldwin comes out and fumbles the ball, or he comes out and the Hawks get a 3 and out. That’s good enough for me he helped us get a rung
Graham was worth it while he was on the field and will probably continue to produce later
Yeah, I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility. If it happens, I’m good with it. Marshall’s a good backer, and youth on his side. I just wonder if this tweet from Renck is speculation in anticipation of Seattle loosing Irving.
It is speculation to try to drive the trade market up for Marshall.
The trouble with that theory is that Marshall is a much different player than Irving. Maybe that’s what they want now, though…
Marshall would be much better than any 2nd round LB we can pick. He’s really an elite defensive player, overshadowed by a lot of amazing teammates.
To counter that, we could also trade our 1st round pick for Muhammed Wilkerson. He’s better for ’16 than anyone we could get at #26.
Sign Marshall and give up our second.
To continue, we could trade a fourth rounder for Ryan Matthews. He’s better than anyone we’ll get in that round for ’16.
Never mind there’s a salary cap. After all, all these new guys would be better than anyone we could draft. I’m sure there’s someone who makes a lot of money that we could trade our third round pick for, too.
I hope the Marshall interest is just a rumor that doesn’t come to fruition. It makes no sense to pay a guy a lot of money when you don’t have a lot of cap room AND to give up the opportunity at your own second round pick. Keep in mind, the second round pick comes with four years of minimal cost to your salary cap, too. I understand we are in a “championship window,” but with the core of this team the way it is and Russell Wilson as our franchise QB, we are also in a championship window three and four years from now, too. Everyone knows that the way to sustained success is to draft well, not to pay big bucks in free agency AND lose high draft picks in the process.
If we get Marshall, I’ll cheer for him like crazy. I just don’t think it’s a good idea if you have a long-term vision. If you’re a GM who’d like to run the Packers ASAP or a coach who’d like to get back to LA, then I think it makes perfect sense to want to have Marshall instead of a draft pick if the focus is solely on 2016. As a fan who is going to be a fan of this team, guaranteed, for a long, long time… I’ll take the second round pick.
I agree with you on Marshall, bobbyk. He’s a good/solid player but to me, does not seem like a difference maker (i.e. having or not having him shouldn’t make much a difference as to whether the Hawks go back to the SB or not) at LB and I don’t like the price of a 2nd draft pick AND potentially about $8 million a year in salary. With the Win Forever philosophy, I’d be surprised if the Hawks give much this much resources for a player, whose short-term benefits may not even be that impactful. I’d rather take our chances with getting Bruce’s replacement in the draft or else a cheaper stopgap veteran.
4.81 for a Seahawks LB? Nah, man. At post-SB48 press conference, Pete Carroll said if you’re not big and fast, you can’t play for the Seahawks. Our DEs run faster than him with 20-40 more lbs on them.
Bob Condotta
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Does Lynch have to be placed on the reserve/retired list by Seattle prior to the new league year? Curious how that process works. Does he have to submit retirement papers first?
I would think Lynch’s situation is similar to Manning. Paperwork for retirement has to be filed today or Seahawks will be on the hook for next years salary.
They can still designate him retired, which would free up the money.
Demarco Murray looks like he’s going to Tennessee per Schefter.
Thank god
I thought he would be a good addition to the roster!
First pick in the Rd3
Omar Kelly saying Calais Campbell being shopped? Confusing to me that you would trade him and spend big money to bring Bruce in. Just a rumor at this point anyways.
Re allocating resources. They could find a similar or higher upside player in the 1st round of the draft + solidify a very athletic LB group….. they could go to a SB with the front 7, if everything breaks right (and Palmer stays upright).
Interesting. I wonder if this could become a trend with the young DL’s in coming in through the draft. Teams looking to shop high priced older players to clear up space.
Any offers out there for Lane? Lane, Rubin and Mebane would be priority FAs to return, along with Okung.
Hawks have an offer for Mebane. Details unclear but an offer has been made.
No offers for Lane yet, is a good thing. Saw Gee’s tweet. I think Mebane stays.
Maybe, looks like he could have a few suitors, as well.
@NFLDraftBites: Still hearing Raiders in Jeremy Lane… As are Falcons, Jags, Giants, Browns & Bears Oh My. Deep Market, not same # as Byron Maxwell last yr
I kind of think he might be out-y. They stock piled quite a bit a corner. Raiders and Jags are going to have a ton of cash to spend.
SEA interviewed Auburn CB Blake Countess after the Auburn pro day.
Countess, 5’10” 185lbs, had a 4.46 40-yard, 36.5″ VJ, 10’02” BJ, and 21 reps BP.
Underrated guy IMO. I didn’t think he would have had the length Seattle likes though.
Peyton Barber impressed too from what I read.
Nice. He was a good looking player at Michigan last year too.
Maybe this is why they didn’t keep Burley.
The type of guy that’s easily replaceable in a draft.
CHAWK, when we were debating who they liked at Auburn, it’s possible it was him the whole time,
Wouldn’t that be typical? We only think we know who they’re looking at.
How long are his arms?
Don’t know, but they don’t have as many thresholds for their nickel corners, which is what Countess would be.
And if he’s an UDFA, then it would be no different than Burley, who IIRC has 31″ inch arms. No cost/no risk.
Three guys have peaked my interest, for differing reasons.
There is the rumor that Ryan Mathews is on the block. He is a rough runner and has roughly the size Seattle likes at RB. He is a veteran, but can bring some different tools to the position, specifically he can catch passes out of the backfield.
Fellow NFCE players Safety Jeron Johnson has been cut by the Redskins. He played in Seattle and did an overall nice job as a back-up safety. Scheme fit and familiarity would make this a possible move. HE would not be making too terribly much and would not count toward comp picks. The other player I had seen mentioned somewhere was FB Darrel Young. He has been part of blocking for a very successful 2014/2015 rushing attack in Washington. I could see a natural fit in Seattle and he also wouldn’t count vs the comp picks in 2017.
Both of these veterans (Mathews/Young) could provide insurance for Seattle at RB/FB for one more year…. then hit the jackpot at RB in the loaded 2017 draft. This would definitely be worth checking out as the FA period progresses.
Mathews has trouble staying healthy, Johnson will more than likely want a chance of more playing time than he knows he would get here.
Besides the Philadelphia, Tennessee, Miami moves, not much out there today.
Will curious what happens from Wednesday on concerning Okung
Looks like Vikings are “all in” on Osemele (and have retained Loadholt). Seems to be he’ll be playing for the Vikings or Raiders next year.
This would certainly mean that the Vikings would release Kalil. Pete recruited him and he’s athletic. This would become another LT option for us in ’16. He’s not bad. He just hasn’t lived up to his billing as the fourth overall pick. He’s better than a clown like Joeckel though. He’s also played in a Pro Bowl (as a rookie) and is still young. Just throwing it out there.
How much would it cost though? We have limited resources and Pete has said multiple times he’s trying to keep the core group together.
Rob
With Irvin leaving. What kind of linebacker skill set would be ideal for that lb spot in our scheme? I have always been of the belief that we could get more out of his spot. Always felt like if he’s not rushing he doesn’t need to be on the field.
I think a very athletic, all-round playmaker (cover, rush) is what they’d like to have. Or a ‘deathbacker’.
Since there is just not another guy like irvin. I like the deathbacker concept! If Neal is gone at 26 who are maybe two other guys that fit the bill for deathbacker coming out of college I can watch some tape on??
Travis Feeney is a former safety. Su’a Cravens likewise. Not sure Cravens is athletic enough though. Mikes Killebrew another option.
Feeney played safety in high school, but looked out of place even then and it was never a consideration for him in college. If his coverage can be limited to underneath stuff, it could work though.
L. Miller would be quite a catch. He runs hard, catches the ball well and still has young legs since the Fins didn’t know how to use him. Pair him with Rawls, and you have two possible 15+ carry backs.
SEA resign Big Rube to a 3-year deal.
Boom. There you go.
With the way PC was gushing over him, there was no doubt in mind that they were letting him go,
Yeah. I wonder what they put in front of Mebane.
If Mebane gets a better offer elsewhere, can’t be more than about $1m more. I don’t think that would be enough to get him out of Seattle. Could be wrong, but I think he plans on staying here barring a Browns-like offer from someone.
‘Bane has previously said he’d like to remain a Hawk.
Let’s see if that holds up.
And if it don’t, you can bet on them adding another DT. Either through the draft, FA, or both.
My assumption is that the offer was probably well under the $5 mill he made last year. They asked him to take a pay cut in the preseason and he refused. My guess, is that he will test the waters for a better deal, and if the market is cold, come back.
This is just a pure guess but I’m betting we offered Mebane around $2m. Maybe even less. He’s an aging DT not known for rushing the passer and he fits best in our system. No one’s going to pay more for that especially with such a deep run-stuff DT class.
And to be fair the Seahawks have been overpaying Mebane the past two years, for what they have been getting. I think Mebane has made as much money as he could’ve, and now it’s time for him to accept a greatly reduced salary.
Just saw on seahawks. Net that they re-sign ed rubin. I’ll check for a link.
Per Mike Garafolo.
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Seahawks have agreed to a three-year deal to retain DT Ahtyba Rubin, source says. Was a priority for them.
and per Danny Kelly. YES!
When I talked with his wife after the Vikings play-off game, she said he definitely wanted to be back in Seattle! Good to see it happen.
Bobbyk, I remember when you posted that story! And while I don’t necessarily always doubt people on the internet, you never know but I was hoping it was true. Looks like you were spot on!
She also said that they lived in Florida even all those years he was playing in Cleveland. She said they only way they’d move (there is a daughter going to school) is if he signed back in Seattle and it was for more than one year. He liked (i.e. loves) Seattle that much.
Awesome story. Glad to have the big guy back especially if he likes it here.
Went to school with her. She always expresses how much Tuba loves playing in Seattle.
That’s great, big move IMO. He was better than Mebane last year and is younger.
Mebane might still be in play, but it looks like he could test the waters first.
Really happy to have Rubin returning. Now for Lane…
With Loadholt staying, I assume that increases the likelihood of Matt Kalil being available. Would the ‘Hawks have interest?
Maybe. Former Pete player. Wasn’t exactly lighting the world on fire in Minni, but maybe they would be interested in his upside.
Just checked Chad Reuter 4 round mock – http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000642027/article/fourround-mock-draft-30-texans-take-hackenberg
His picks for us are ridiculous. However, this mock is interesting to check because of other guys available when we pick.
Ifedi, Coleman, Martin, Ward are still there when we pick at 56. Dahl ia still there after the 4th.
The scenario he presents would be awesome. I’d go something like this:
1 – Emmanuel Ogbah
2 – Shon Coleman
3 – Adolphus Washington
3 – Keith Marshall
4 – Graham Glasgow
And then I would do some cartwheels…
Michael M. So would I. I would be doing cartwheels with you. And I have never ever done Cartwheels before.
Michael M. So would I. I would be doing cartwheels with you. And I have never ever done Cartwheels before.
BTW: I have warmed up BIG-TIME to Keith Marshall As A mid-round draft pick.
That draft would be insane. Is it even possible?
We just resigned Rubin! That was huge!!
What’s next? Let’s hear your predictions.
I say resigning Lane is in the cards tomorrow!
Thoughts?
I have doubts about Lane and Irvin. Okung is a maybe if the injury knocks his market down around 6 million? I think they will try to hold onto their cash and look for bargains late. RT and LG seem like priorities.
Hey rob and all, love this blog and like that it keeps my Seahawk’s gears grinding all year, haha, I’ve come to the realization of life without Bruce Irvin. That being said I’ve seen Rob mock Travis Feeney in the 2nd, taking a swing at the Sam backer void left by Irvin. That’s good but this is the crazy ass Hawks on draft day! Haha, I’ve seen just about everyone drop Jaylon Smith to AT LEAST the 2nd round in every mock. Any chance the Hawks gamble on the Notre Dame backer and give him a redshirt year with a platoon approach to the SAm backer position this year? I’ve heard Jaylon Smith would be a top10 maybe even Top 5 pick. Very Seahawky right? Thoughts? Possibly even later in the draft? Could he fall all the way to the bottom of the second round?
I think Smith could fall into day three.
As do I. Also think Okung deal gets done.
This is sad for Smith. A meaningless game and his career may be over before it started. It is not the first athlete to perhaps have their career derailed, but it still is sad for the young man.
You know what the probabilty for recovery and able to ball again is for a knee nuke like that? I know Marcus Lattermore had a very similar knee injury and he didn’t make it back after a long fight with rehabilitation and PT.
I try to figure how early I gotta take him but I make it a priority. We will never have the chance to draft a guy like that EVER! If it works out he will be the best linebacker on a team with 2 other pro bowl caliber LBs!
Numbers are in on Rubin’s contract.
The #Seahawks signed DT Ahtyba Rubin to a 3-year deal worth $12M, source said. He gets $6M in year 1. He wanted to stay.
Beat me to it. #WINNING
I think this means we’ll see a reworked michael bennett deal announced soon to offset some of that 6m unless the bulk of the 6m is a signing bonus which gets spread out over the three years.
Glad we got him back, curious if that’s 6M against the 2016 cap, or with a signing bonus spread over 3.
If it’s 4 per, cap room at 15.5.
SB-OR-BUST Mock F.A./Draft:
Irvin, Okung, Sweezy, Lane, Mebane, Kearse, Ryan walk.
Sign Mario at 10M (what he’s asking) for one year, sign Penn at 5 per (what he made last time) for 2. Keep the same WR’s, “One-a-day’ Kevin Smith is the next Jermaine Kearse.
Comps-Irvin R3, Okung R4, Lane R4, Kearse R5, Mebane’s comp for Penn.
Draft-
1-Ifedi LG. Learns next to Penn. Gilliam stays at Right. “Safe” approach to OL.
2-Dieondre Hall CB. 34-3/4″ arms, 9-3/4″ hands, 37 ” vert, 10’7″ broad, good in cover 3, a little slow.
3-Austin Johnson DT.
3-Javon Hargrave DT
4-John Theus, T
5-Brandon Shell G/RT. In 2 years, with Gilliam and Shell on the left and Ifedi on the right, hawk OL is dominant.
Seahawks aren’t going to be spending $15m on two outside FA’s. Not even sure why anyone would even want them to or expect them to.
Aside from 2011 they have never gone after first wave top tier FA’s. They consistently look for the market to come to them.
Wouldn’t call Penn a top tier FA, myself.
You’re right that it would break with the pattern, but not if Mario sticks to his guns in the first wave and doesn’t get signed.
Being more specific to your points, though, Penn=I’d like an OL that we can count on, Williams=improves our defense at a magnitude that no other options can.
2013 we signed Bennett, Winfield, McFarlane. Bennett was expected to be an early sign that year and fell. Traded for Percy then traded for Jimmie. There is some precedent for landing big names.
The Hawks went after Mario last time. He’s coming off a bad year in a scheme he didn’t fit. There’s an opportunity to buy low.
“#Dolphins nearing a deal with DE Mario Williams on a new deal. May be worth roughly $8M per year.” -Cole
franks, I was waiting for that Hass comment haha
We’ll take the ball, and we’re gonna score!
I’m not trying to be mean, but come on its free agency, and all the big networks can talk about it Manning. I get it, but surely there’s gotta be more to talk about!!
While he deserves all the attention, I tend to agree.
Can we sign him to compete with hass for qb2?
Osemele to the Raiders and Megatron retires. Going to be a interesting week.
OAK also interested in Doug Martin. He could make a push for the rushing title behind that revamped OL.
Oakland might actually be on to something. As much as my Raider-hate lingers from the AFCW days I’d like to see them emerge in that division. Sick and tired of them being the division whipping boy.
Yeah I remember those days. Hating Ken Stabler and Dave Casper and Lester Hayes and….
Anyway, it’s been long enough that I root for OAK now.
Gotta think the Seahawks are at least trying to be in on a possible deal for Martin.
What are peoples thoughts on Beachum as a Tackle option? He seemed to be a quality young player prior to the ACL injury. What will his market be like?
6-3 300 lbs…. He seems undersized and isn’t a very good run blocker. That doesn’t seem like a profile the Seahawks would be looking for.
Yeah, I’d agree with that. good pass blocker though.
OAK give Osemele $60M over 5 years, or around $11M APY.
This pretty much sets Okung’s market well above what SEA would be willing to pay.
I don’t think Okung is on the same level as Osemele. One is young and a rising star whereas the other is declining and breaking down. In fact Oakland is one of the few teams in the market for a LT. This might help Seattle.
Every free agency there are a few guys at each position that get overpaid (or paid what they are worth). Once the money is spent, the rest of the players at that position are left with signing a medium to low cost contracts. I’m guesstimating that there is enough money floating around for 2-3 big offensive linemen contracts. After that the salaries slip.
Hopefully they’ll get in a bidding war and get us a nice comp.
Really? Okung is only 2 years older than Osemele. 28 vs 26. In what universe is 28 declining and breaking down?
Anyway, most analysts think Osemele’s big contract means good things for Okung. I can’t find one who thinks the opposite.
Well it’s not much older, but he is breaking down in the sense that he keeps getting hurt and when he’s healthy, he doesn’t play at the level that he used to play at.
Osemele’s contract oughta be good for Russell if he knows how to negotiate. But the experience I’ve had in business tells me, the F.O.’s are going to low ball him and give him different reasons he’s not worth what he thinks he is. Because he doesn’t have the background in negotiations to stand firm on.
If the Seahawks could end up getting Okung on a one year deal for around $7m, I would leap for joy. That is the best thing that could happen to the Seahawks this offseason. It would allow them to then draft his heir apparent for next year, this year, and ideally have that player play guard until next year. Then we can get the 2018 COMP pick.
I like it Miles
I had a thought that the Titans might be interested in Okung. Wouldn’t be surprised if they really want to trade down or draft Jalen Ramsey with the first overall pick instead of just taking Tunsil.
That makes sense don’t they already have a couple tackles they took top 10
If the Seahawks had made the trade for Maxwell and Alonzo, what would your guys’ thoughts be?
Alonso is too injury prone and in the last year of his contract, and Maxwell is simply making too much. Will be interesting to see what his reworked deal in Miami looks like.
I honestly feel like locking down the LCB spot is worth the cost of Maxwell ($8m for 2017). Yes it would hamper our ability to re-sign Okung, but it might be our most important need right now quite honestly. It is a very important position for us. And I could see that move making us easily the best defense again. That is more than worth for me. I would have done it.
Alonso, I don’t know. I just think the draft can go a long way toward replacing Irvin.
In addition, new CBs need to learn our system, and that takes a year. Maxwell already knows it AND he’s really good. I think $8m is cheap for that kind of thing.
Who knows – Brandon Browner happened once upon a time. Maybe one CB will emerge next year and become the next one. SJB could be the perfect fit for Pete’s defense in that same vein.
But if I were the Seahawks, I’d go with the sure thing.
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The #Broncos are releasing guard Louis Vasquez, source said. Clearly some space, as he was to hit at $6.75M.
I am truly intrigued by his player for the Seahawks. Big guard who fits the Cable profile for a LG at 6’5″ 330. And his numbers at his pro day were really athletic for a big man. Particularly the vertical, the broad and the 10 split.
Dates: 03/12/09
Height: 6046
Weight: 333
40 Yrd Dash: 5.22
20 Yrd Dash: 2.95
10 Yrd Dash: 1.73
Vertical Jump: 30 1/2
Broad Jump: 08’07”
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.94
3-Cone Drill: 7.66
I disagree about the “profile” for left guard. both britt and carp were drafted to play rt tackle not lg. they only moved over because they couldn’t play rt. and gallery was brought in because he was familiar with cables scheme and could help the others learn. so really we don’t know what the “profile” is for lg. just sayin.
The pro game is more and more resembling the college game. I’ve noticed a lot of teams use this method with the Oline that is pretty much the norm of intruducong young new offensive linemen into the rotation. The young offensive line prospect comes in at RT and depending on depth at the position and rest of the line’s availability the coaches will do one of 3 things the next year. 1: The RT has a good enough skill set to stay at RT and continue develop there, or 2: move to LG because skill set is more for the interior line or because of need(free agency in NFL or LG graduating in college, 3: skills are good enough to be promoted to the blindside. The Hawks have taken a smiliar approach.
You forgot to include his name.
It’s Vasquez.
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Just got off the phone with #Broncos DE Malik Jackson. I asked if definitively intends to leave Denver for Jacksonville. He said, “yes.”
@AdamSchefter: If and when DL Malik Jackson does sign with Jacksonville, deal expected to come in at about $15 million per season, per source.
Wow. I guess this means JAX won’t go after Irvin.
Thats ridiculous
I do not understand paying that much for Jackson. $15 mil? That is franchise player money for a guy who was a good interior rusher for one season. He’s a good player, but if you are going to have your 3T be your highest-paid player, you are going to miss out on getting really good players at premium positions in the future.
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Jags not close to done after agreeing with Malik Jackson. Still interested in top pass rushers and corners. Very active
Bye Bruce. Would be happy with Bruce went to JAX. I’ve already made my peace he’s gone. I just don’t want him to go to AZ.
ARI reportedly very interested in JPP, who just resigned with NYG. Maybe they double down on their push for Irvin.
Jacksonville still has money to burn even after signing Jackson to $15 mil/year. They are obligated to spend big, and they got arguably the best player on the market. Great signing! It’s said that they’re still in on Vernon and Irvin-think Irvin makes more sense with his versatility. Can never have too many pass rushers. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them sign Mack, and actually get him this time. haha I’m excited to see what their roster looks like after FA and the draft. They could be contenders in the AFC South next year.
I really hope Fowler will be 100% for this year. That knee injury on the first play of practice? Sickening.
Just don’t see how you can pay that much for a 3T. If nobody else plays well, your 3T is not going to help you. And the way to ensure nobody else plays well is if you tie up all your money in one player – especially one who plays a non-premium position.
Since when is an interior pass rusher a non-premium position? Jackson will likely play 5T on base downs and move inside on passing downs. I agree that $15 mil is a bit steep for Jackson, but Jacksonville has crazy cap room and got a very talented DLineman. Jax has Odrick at $8 mil, Marks at $4.67 mil and Fowler at $5.34 mil. it’s not like Jackson is going to be expected to be a one man wrecking crew. There’s some talent along their DL, Irvin would fit in perfectly playing the same role he’s played in Seattle for years.
I see your point that interior pass rushers are helpful. And it’d be one thing if he was an established NFL star; he had one good year. Imagine if the Seahawks had re-signed Clinton McDonald on $7m APY. That’s not something the Seahawks would do, but some teams would! Malik Jackson had lots of production, but he doesn’t warrant that salary. When you consider that Fowler tore his ACL last year, their whole DLine is still a question mark and that is after they dumped the bank on Jackson. For $15m, you SHOULD be expecting the player to be a one-man wrecking crew ala Ndomukong Suh. Jackson is not that. You can achieve close to or the same as what the Jaguars just did with about a third of the money or an early draft pick.
I think they had lots of options to improve their DLine. They happened to pick the least efficient one.
Agreed that $15 mil for Jackson is a little high. The thing is even after signing Jackson JAX still has the most cap space in the NFL. They had $82.24 mil in cap space(per overthecap.com) going into today. Subtract $15 mil and they still have $67.24 mil to play with. Plenty of room for another few big contracts.
That’s true. And maybe that makes all of this okay for them. I am just looking how inefficient the deal itself is. I really believe it doesn’t make sense unless you just have insane cap room.
Even if you have a huge amount of cap space, it still isn’t a good deal and Malik Jackson isn’t gonna help this team a whole lot.
$15 mil for a guy that’s probably gonna get 3-5 sacks and limited amount of pressures/hurries?
They coulda found a guy like that in the 2nd wave of FA?
Jackson is good, but he won’t be as good without Von Miller and Ware
That’s pretty huge. Jackson is one of those unsung heros. Major disruptors at 3-4 end spots are not easy to find. If Jax can land him and Irvin that would be a very solid free agency. Denver’s defense takes a big hit.
Hopefully they pay Irvin 15 mil a year
Yeah. The two 2017 comp 3rd rounders stand at Baltimore (Osemele) and Denver (Jackson) currently if the salary #’s are to be believed.
Bruce should get more than Osemele at least I hope.
One thing that the crazy #s today so is that draft capital and making good use of it is going to be critical to maintain success going forward.
Reading between the lines…….Broncos get a monster comp pick!
Rd3. is highest you can get.
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Broncos have released TE Owen Daniels, who has played his entire career on 3 different teams with Gary Kubiak.
Richie Incognito is resigning with BUF
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The #Bills deal for G Richie Incognito is 3 years worth roughly $15M, source said. So, $5M per year. Not bad.
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The #Bills deal for G Richie Incognito is 3 years worth roughly $15M, source said. So, $5M per year. Not bad.
So basically Sweezy is getting paid more than that.
Incognito went to the probowl this year, so I wouldn’t expect Sweezy to be offered more than 5 mil/year
JPP resigns with NYG for 1 year/$10.5M.
Apparently ARI made a big push for him.
The more pass rushers Arizona whiffs on the better, go NYG!!
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The #Giants are expected to keep Jason Pierre-Paul, source said. It’s a 1-year deal. He turned down more money elsewhere.
If this is true have to think Irvin gets $12+ mil.
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#Seahawks gave DT Ahtyba Rubin a $4.5 million signing bonus on the 3-year, $12M deal he agreed to last night. Will make $6M in 2016.
Rubin gets $1.5m base this year with $1.5m signing bonus. Cap hit is $3m. Got this from Davis Hsu.
Sounds like a good deal for Hawks and Rubin
The Rubin deal looks even better with that low cap hit!
Agreed, very nice.
My dream scenario for balance of off season
-Resign Lane (2yrs 10 mil)
-Resign Okung (1 yr 8 mil)
Draft
Rd#1 Ogbah – Just looks like the ideal LEO
Rd#2 Garnett -Our LG for the next 8-10 years
Rd #3 Martin – I have seen him available in this range on a lot of big boards- A steal here and our 2016 C
Rd #3 Comp Feeney- replacement for Bruce
Rd#4 Willie Henry -Add Franks buddy to the DL
Rd#5 Fhan Cooper – Give him a year to develop and slide in as RT in 2017 when Okung leaves.
Rd#6 3rd Down RB like the kid out of Ariz St.
Rd#7 Developmental QB
Rd#7 Developmental DL prospect
2016 OL Okung, Garnett, Martin, Glowinski, Gilliam
2017 OL Gilliam, Garnett, Martin, Glowinski, Cooper
Where are you seeing Nick Martin available in the late third round???
All 4 NFL.com Analysts Jerimiah, Brooks etc. have put out their top 50 prospects and he is not on any of the lists. Chad Rueter, Matt Miller have him mocked in the mid/ late 3rd and Josh Norris does not have him in his top 75. The highest I have seen him mocked recently is #48 to Indy on Walter Football.
I said this was my dream off season. I fully expect him to go in the 2nd round but stranger things have happened and even at the end of the 2nd he would be a great pick for the Hawks.
Getting Martin at the end of the second round … words cannot express the awesomeness.
That’s the problem with Big Boards. Aside from being one person’s estimation, they rank prospects on an absolute scale without respect to needs. Drafts never go pure BPA (and again, it’s just one person’s take on BPA).
The Colts released Bjoern Werner today.
Would just like to point out that the Seahawks will not even be aware that he was released. 😛
Rob, would the Hawks be interested In Bjorn projected 4-3 Strongside DE coming out of Florida State. Not sure what went on in Indy. 2013 COMBINE Figs- 4.83 SEC, 25 REPS, 31.0 INCH, 111.0 INCH, 7.30 SEC, 4.40 SEC. Could he be a possible cheap rotation guy at DE for us?
He’s been a major, major disappointment in Indy. Not sure he has the heart for it.
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth!
Rob does Louis Vasquez (cut from Broncos) fit the Hawks LG profile?
MIN have released Mike Wallace
@mattlongsports: According to a source, the #Steelers #Seahawks & #Browns may show interest in aquiring RB Ryan Matthews. Most likely for low rd draft picks.
@DavisHsuSeattle: Ryan Mathews is $4M cap hit in 2016 with $1M gteed
I’d like Matthews.
Not a big fan of the RB class this y
*year.
Let me rephrase that.
It’s a mediocre running back class, and the guys you can get on day 3 look like better options.
Knew it. Would be a good fit with us. People don’t yet know how good this move will be.
Glad that we can put the JPP, Incognito, and Mario Williams ‘what if’ scenario behind us.
Williams plays with no motor, JPP is average, and Incognito is a punk,
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BREAKING: The @Jaguars and Bruce Irvin are putting the finishing touches on a deal. Dave Caldwell is on a mission.
Same guy who broke the Malik Jackson deal. Really a best case scenario for us, he didn’t go to Arizona or SF. Good luck Bruce!
Much better player than Malik Jackson.
Bruuuuuce!
The 12’s will miss ya my man.
Disagree with you there, both players greatly improve Jacksonville’s defense too. It’s rumored they are now going to go hard after Olivier Vernon. If they can land him and then with Dante Fowler back next year… look out. Their offense is already good. They might be my other team to watch next year.
both players greatly improve Jacksonville’s defense though.
With 346 followers and being a freelance journalist though I’m not sure this is a credible source.
They’re building quite the Dream Team
Hopefully they have more success than the previous NFL dream team….2011 Eagles
Malik Jackson is not worth what he got.
They coulda signed a guy in the next wave of FA that will give them the same amount of production.
If I’m wrong about Jackson, I’ll eat some major crow.
Jackson isn’t really a common player though. An interior defender who is solid against the run and can pass rush at a high level. The only other player I can think of in free agency similar to that is Jaye Howard, and I don’t think he’s on Jackson’s level.
I’ll just say this.
Denver made the right move in prioritizing DT Derek Wolfe.
Now maybe they couldn’t afford Jackson, who isn’t a bad player by any means, but they overpaid big time.
Very few big money FAs work out.
Yes lawd! This is good news.
Good for Irvin, good for Gus Bradley, and good for the Hawks. Now let’s see the numbers on this.
@BrockESPN: Hard to imagine JR Sweezy settling for anything less than $6 Million per season after Incognito inks this deal [@ProFootballTalk: Incognito: I took less money because Bills gave me a shot]
LB Danny Trevathan headed to the Bears. He’s a former VMAC visitor.
RB Lamar Miller and the Houston Texans are trying to get something done before tomorow.
Great signing for the Bears. Trevathan is another super underrated player, overshadowed by a host of other awesome players.
I agree. Big fan of Trevathan.
CB Leodis McKelvin to Philly.
And TE Ben Watson to Baltimore.
FA RB Chris Ivory wants $6.5 mil and a 3 year deal? WTF!?
I want a unicorn and a mariners playoff run. Doesn’t mean i’m going to get it.
Ha. Why a unicorn? We got New Day for that.
Give me a genie in a bottle.
DT AJ Francis signed his tender.
I got a feeling they like this guy and he’s gonna be a contributor for us this year.
@RapSheel: The #Jaguars keep it going. They’ve reached an agreement with former #Seahawks LB Bruce Irvin. 5-Year Deal.
Boom there it is.
I’m guessing the Jags are front loading this deal, along with Jackson’s.
hope he got PAID!
I think I quoted a fake Rapoport twitter account.
No deal for Irvin with JAX yet.
Also came across this:
@FarisSportsTalk: Former #Seahawks LB Bruce Irvin is close to a deal with an NFC West team. But it’s not the one you’re thinking of. May sign with #Cardinals
dude …
Or is it LA?
The real Rapoport twitter account says Mario Williams will sign with MIA.
@RapSheet: The #Dolphins deal with pass-rusher Mario Williams should come today, sources says, and it’s expected to land him $8M per year.
Is there any debate over whether who the kings of splashy off-season moves are?
And yet, it still hasn’t worked out for them.
It’s funny watching all the praise going the way of perennial nobody’s splashing money in FA.
That’s not how you build Champions.
It worked for Denver, although they weren’t nobodies.
That’s the point though.
That was a team that used FA to push them over the top.
The teams spending big now are spending to become relevant. And that almost never works.
Identity and culture is the most important thing for a team. A clear, precise plan on and off the field. It’s hard to force players into that from the outside to build a winner. Especially when they’re nouveau riche.
I love your thinking throughout this thread. Nouveau riche is right haha.
It really is.
Sone of these teams have no idea what they’re doing.
I’m sitting back and watching all these guys cashing in, getting way too much money, and it makes me laugh.
PC/JS gotta be loving this. Then they’ll swoop in, get steals, and find actusl value and production. While everyone goes ‘why him?’
Can’t believe some of the Hawks fans on Twitter — “maybe we can sign this guy?”
Honestly I’m not even interested. I hope they don’t sign anyone in the first wave. It’s not how this team has been built. Why are people pining for a Donald Penn?? The next man up concept is just fine for me. Look for value in the second and third wave, use the draft, keep your own.
I’d honestly rather see Lane re-signed on $9m a year (deliberately exaggerated) than sign Donald Penn. The way to win is to retain your guys and build in the draft.
Couldn’t you say that Denver somewhat “bought a championship” in free agency? Peyton, Ware, Ward, Talib, Sanders. I will still agree that more often than not its a recipe for disaster, but its not completely hopeless to spend on FAs.
Sorry, didn’t see the comment above. Looks like you already gave an answer.
Also drafted Wolfe, Jackson, Von Miller, signed Marshall upon his JAX release, Trevathan, Demaryius, Sly Williams, Chris Harris, Osweiler. They went to the playoffs before Peyton with Tebow at QB.
The FA’s pushed them over the edge, but they’ve built a team. If their D-line and linebackers won them a title — most of it was drafted.
Very good point. You could say similar things about the 2013 Seahawks with Bennett and Avril. Some additions to put them over the top but the core was built from within.
Can you think of an example where big FA spending resulted in a SB or even a deep playoff run?
I agree completely on Penn. I think people are just over reacting and having flashbacks to our OL at the start of last season and thinking it could be even worse unless we get some veterans. I am sure PCJS have a plan what will reveal itself soon. I don’t think a below average 32 year old Tackle in Penn is part of it however.
I’m with you. Don’t even want to resign the remaining FA.
Shead (Lane)
Williams/Smith/Richardson (Kearse)
Glowinski (Sweezy)
Bailey (at worst and move to RT) (Okung)
Pinkins/KPL/Moody (Irvin)
I don’t think any of those replacements is an absolute drastic downgrade (outside of maybe Irvin) to the player leaving.
I’d like to see Lane re-signed, maybe Mebane.
Rest? Won’t complain either way.
Exactly my thoughts. Including what I think could be probable.
Rubin was the highest priority FA re-sign to me, because of the gaping hole that would have been left at DT if one of him or Mebane were not retained. Now they have flexibility for replacing or retaining Mebane.
I’d love to see them keep Lane, but don’t think we will get any kind of discount or prove it deal. He’s got nothing to prove to get a multi-year deal from a team that needs a starting corner. He’s healthy. And everyone knows he can play.
We need Lane more than he needs us, because we probably won’t overpay.
Next man up on the OL cost us home field last year.
No it didn’t.
Last year wasn’t next man up. It was ‘who’s left?’
Big difference.
Well if Okung goes, God willing, who’s left? Backup end went to the giants a few years ago right, Marsh was next man up/left.
I don’t see the wisdom of digging on LT to pay a wr3/4 like Mathews.
Scrooging not digging
The difference between this year and last is they should be able to draft some good O-liners — and they have the money to sign a cheap vet. Last year they couldn’t get at Morse, Sambrailo or Marpet and didn’t have the cash for Wisniewski.
Certainly thats the case this year but why not be open to different options? Penns an every game left tackle and we’ve been missing that since Jones retired.
5 million for Penn is out of the question, but 5 for Matthews makes sense, 6 for marcellus Bennett is a deal and 8 for Mario is ridiculous.
Nah, even with a good oline would have had to go 15-1 or 14-2 with a win over the Panthers to wrap up HFA.
THIS close to beating the Panthers and every other team we lost to. We might not have done 14-2 but we could’ve deff won the division and a bye week.
8M for Williams could be a steal. Someone will pay that for Okung if not more. Would you rather have Okung?
Interesting counterpoint by Mike Florio:
“Meanwhile, some are chiding the Dolphins for their annual ‘big splash’ into the market, which includes a trade for cornerback Byron Maxwell and linebacker Kiko Alonso. While a correlation between spending and winning is hardly established, keep in mind the reality that football ultimately is an entertainment business. Teams need to persuade fans to devote their time and money to the product, and one way to generate excitement (and to sell tickets and other stuff) is to bring new players to town.”
NFL Network reporting that JAX likely to sign Olivier Vernon tomorrow to pair with Malik Jackson. If true, would mean they aren’t players for Irvin.
Why not? Vernon and Irvin play different positions and they still have 68 MM left after Jackson.
Agree, Irvin isn’t going to be a DE.
Dante Fowler
Do they have to give up a draft pick for that?
Not sure what you are implying? Vernon and Fowler would be DE’s. Irvin would be an OLB and provide some pass rushing depth. Seems pretty lethal if it works out.
Funny how the top organizations (NE, Pitt, GB, SEA) are not going out and signing big $ free agents from other teams.
-Draft Well
-Resign Core Players
-Use free agents to get you over the hump if needed
Yeah that’s the thing everyone here says to each other. Mario Williams coming off a bad year don’t even think about it.
When was the last time New England or Pittsburgh pulled a Percy Harvin or Jimmy Graham?
Seattle has a better roster than either of those teams.
Jury still out on Graham.
Randy Moss and Wes Welker to the Pats?
How about Corey Dillon.
Or Jerome Bettis from the Rams.
Also, all four teams drafted a franchise quarterback. Denver tried, then said screw it and signed one of the best QB’s in the game.
So you’re sayin’ we shouldn’t spend a 3rd round pick on a punter?
Bummer, we waived Jesse Williams.
I think he will be back.
Bummer, Drew Stanton going back to the Cards, I was really hoping we’d sign him. Ha. Ha ha.
If the $14 million remaining figure is correct, I think we have room for only one outside free agent, probably a veteran for the O line. This assumes Mebane comes back. Bennett, Baldwin, Kam need reworked terms / extensions. And if Okung’s market is soft and he comes back, maybe we don’t sign any outside free agents costing more than 2 to 3 million.
reports are saying that bruce is a raider.