Seahawks @ Rams open thread

I’ll have some thoughts on the game at some point on Sunday. Here’s an open thread in the meantime.

If you’re in the UK I’ll be on national radio from 7:30pm (see tweet above) so check it out.


  1. Volume12

    Is Rees Odhiambo starting today?

    • CharlieTheUnicorn

      Word on the street was Webb, but he has been hobbled by an injury.

  2. smitty1547


    • Volume12

      Can’t be worse than Webb.

  3. smitty1547

    Webb is active for game

  4. nichansen01

    New England thrashed Miami. Not a good sign for this Seattle offense.

    • Volume12

      Gotta ask. Why?

    • icb12

      I didn’t realize the game was over…

      • Volume12

        It’s not.

        Garroppolo hurt his throwing shoulder and Miami has scored 14 unanswered points. Down by 7 with 6 minutes left to go.

  5. Volume12

    I’m gonna get sick of saying this. RB CJ Prosise out. Again. Shocker there.

    What RB does Seattle draft this year in the mid rounds guys?

    • icb12

      Elijah McGuire ul Lafayette

      Kareem hunt Toledo
      Mcnichols BSu

      Those are my mid round guys.

      But I suspect that some top guys will fall. RB is too loaded.
      I didn’t suspect Collins would be there in the fifth either.

      • Volume12


        Not a bad list. It’s too deep and too talented a crop of backs for this team not to take one.

        I really like Wisconsin’s Corey Clement.

        And I wish Joe Nixon didn’t have the off-field concerns. Love his skill set and talent.

        Wouldn’t mind Florida St HB Dalvin Cook in round 3 or so.

        • Volume12

          Cook would almost be the ideal guy to potentially replace C-Mike. Homerun speed, electric in the open field, lightning quick first step and burst. And he would bring everything Prosise should in the passing game.

          Question is, what’s his stock range gonna be? With his checkered past and injuries over the years, it’ll cause some teams to back off on him early. He’s an athletic difference maker that can flip the field in more ways than one.

        • Kenny Sloth

          See I haven’t actually liked what I’ve seen from Clement!

          I really wanted to but just kind of struck me as unspectacular behind a fairly consistent OL.

          He has his merits as a Prosise fall back I suppose. I don’t remember him catching it much but I think I saw one game with a drop or two on +difficulty passes.

          He has lots of tools that I can respect and should stick as a back-up

  6. cha

    Gregg Bell ‏@gbellseattle 32m
    32 minutes ago
    Los Angeles, CA
    No apparent limp as Russell Wilson runs onto Coliseum field for pregame warmups here in LA. #Seahawks

  7. nichansen01

    Another year another pathetic Rams passing attack exposing our secondary.

  8. KD

    Isn’t Donald supposed to be suspended for this game due to the ejection last week?

    • cha

      He got fined a bunch of money but not suspended.

  9. Volume12

    This O-line is so bad!

    Our tackles are garbage, and LG Glowinski hasn’t looked very good so far.

    • nichansen01

      Yup. The offense has all been Russell being amazing. He deserves better than this as far as blockers.

  10. KD

    So many penalties

  11. nichansen01

    Seattle’s defense has a tendency of being horrible at all the times it needs to be brilliant. And brilliant the rest of the time.

  12. KD

    What a cringe inducing first half

    • Volume12

      Our offense isn’t very good right now.

      The running game suffers because of RW being. Need a pass catching back that can create his own yards.

      Why only 4 WRs? TE Brandon Williams hasn’t shown much. But, I guess that’ll be Gannett when healthy.

      We need Ifedi to run behind.

      • Volume12


    • nichansen01

      Pretty disgusting actually. Russell is having some success passing… Bevell please stop running the ball the run game is going nowhere. It is just wasting plays. In an entire half of football Graham only gets two looks? No redzone looks? This is ridiculous.

      Really disapointing that the offense has to let this very talented defense down week after week. Seattle has the worst o in the league right now. Who is worse? New England backups (no brady or gronk) just but up 31 on the phins. The niners. The NINERS. Put 28 up on this team.

      Pathetic pathetic pathetic offense.

      • Volume12

        Still need a couple more weapons. One more receiver and another RB. Obviously though, they gottavfid their OT situationn.

        • nichansen01

          Yup. Finding a left or right tackle shoudl be their number 1 offseason priority. Then another back is needed and another legit receiving weapon for sure. It would be nice to have a competent left guard as well. Glowinski has blown up time after time. Just looks constantly overpowered. Can’t wait for Ifedi to return.

  13. Volume12

    Hope Lockett is OK. Same with Rawls.

    • Volume12

      Brought back Rawls too soon?

      • CharlieTheUnicorn

        Rawls – Knee injury, not foot.

        Lockett – unknown, but I thought they said something about knee. He played in 4th quarter.

  14. Volume12

    Why does C-Mike keep slipping? Poor balance? Shoes?

    Damn man that was gonna be a huge run!

    • nichansen01

      I remember him slipping once against Miami and a few times in the preseason as well. Seems like a balance thing.

  15. Trevor

    Wow this OL is a weak unit. I think Ifedi will help but Sowell is out of his league. I know people liked to bash on Okung but our LT spot is a huge down grade this year. Scary part is even if we want to spend another 1st round pick on the OL I don’t see a starting LT in this years draft class who could come in an play year #1. I think the fact that Gilliam could not step up and take the LT spot really screws with JS plans.

  16. Trevor

    Rawls has not looked good at all since coming back from the injury. I know the garbage OL does not help but he seems to have no burst at all.

    • Volume12

      Nope. I’ve always had concerns about him. He runs so aggressively, but his base is twisted.

      • Volume12

        C-Mike has looked like the Bette back. By far.

  17. Trevor

    I am praying the Locket injury is not serious. Any updates yet?

    • Volume12

      He’s back out there.

  18. rowdy

    Hawks are trash in every aspect right now

    • Volume12

      Every facet?

      • rowdy

        Yep, haven’t given up a lot of points other then that nothing much to be happy about

        • nichansen01

          Defense has been pretty bad all things considered. This the the team the niners shut out, remember. The niners gave up 41 points today.

          D was been embarssed by:

          Case Keenum
          Lance Kendricks
          Kenny Britt
          Tavon Austin

          You know, household names.

          At least Jon Ryan has had a good game. Thats the only positive I can think of at the moment.

          • rowdy

            True forgot about Ryan he has been the only positive

            • smitty1547

              His snapper didn’t leave him hanging this game

  19. nichansen01

    Fire Bevell.

    • nichansen01

      Running Alex Collins twice in a row just killed that drive. Why did we keep him over Pope? Nooooo idea. Collins looked bad in the preseason and he looks bad now.

      • The Hawk is Howling

        So kidding, I wanted Pope over Collins as well. Stay in there guys it can only get better. This is really lame though.

      • icb12

        2 carrys and he looks bad?

        Relax. It’s his first two carries ever in a real NFL game.
        Collins was always a guy who needs carries to get in rhythm.

        Leave him in, let him run, get in flow and I would bet he gets better.
        Not a “committee” runner IMO.

        • nichansen01

          It is all about the situation. That was a crucial drive for seattle. Collins completely killed it. I have more problem with the call to run than the back himself.

          • icb12

            I can’t bring myself to disagree with you there.

    • The Hawk is Howling

      I can’t stand Bevell’s play calling either. It’s always hit and miss no damn consistently. I know people back him up after we have a good game offensively. Delusional I believe, this sucks!

  20. nichansen01

    Deshawn Shead has been awful today.

    • Volume12

      Yes he has. Tough outing for him.

  21. nichansen01

    This looks like it’s gonna be the ugliest loss since Wilson’s rookie season.

    • nichansen01

      I can’t even pin this on the offensive line. Poor poor poor playcalling and our awful pass defense. What happened to the legion of boom.

  22. Volume12

    Not only is Sowell getting worked, how many false starts should this dude have

    And then Gilliam ain’t fairing much better.

  23. Volume12

    Why are we only getting offensive PIs?

    Call it both ways!

    Phantom call.

    • nichansen01

      Completely agree. Ridiculous.

      • nichansen01

        Horribly reffed game.

        • dean

          NFL back in LA and just got home town officiating ? three offensive passing interference calls in one game on the Seahawks.

  24. Volume12

    RW lockin’ onto guys pre-snap is killing the offense.

  25. nichansen01

    Cassius Marsh just ended any last hope of a w

  26. nichansen01

    Bomb to lockett- we have a chance on the la 35 yard line

  27. nichansen01

    And Christine Michael loses us the game.

    • Volume12

      Shows flashes, but then stumbles or slips like usual and then puts the ball on the ground. Same old C-Mike.

      • CharlieTheUnicorn

        got blasted by 2 defenders…… there are more pressing concerns than C Mike.

  28. rowdy

    Hawks are the worst looking team in the league

    • Volume12

      Other than Shead, how did this defense play bad? Because they gave up 9 points?

      • nichansen01

        The defense is incapable or forcing turnovers it seems. Again, think in context of the situation. Only giving up 9 points is all well and good, even to a lowly opponents like the rams. But think in context. The niners shut em out. Cam newton just put up over 40 points on the niners.

        We couldn’t pick of keenum a single time. We couldnt sack him without drawing penalities. We got burned over and over by kendricks austin and britt. Holding a team to field goals is nice, but this game wasn’t too far (some stupid stupid mistakes on behalf of la) from being 28-3 as it was from 9-3.

        So yeah… overall the defense was a positive right? Maybe. But it doesn’t matter when you can’t score more than a single field goal on offense the entire game.

        Of course the season isn’t over. There is a three way tie for first place in the division at the moment.

        And what does it matter if we lost 3-9 or 6-9 or 3- 6 or 10-12 or 10-16? A loss is a loss just as a win is a win.

        Still.. going forward we won’t win many (any?) games unless we make changes on offense.

        • Volume12

          And yet for as bad as the offense played they still had a chance to win it and had the Rams right where they wanted them.

          Who said anything about what does it matter how much we lost by?

          Teams aren’t testing this defense like they used too. They throw at one guy in single coverage. 3 sacks is a good #.

          So what SF shut them out. It was one game. Did we expect LA to never score again? Kudos to SF for having a better game plan. It’s the NFL man.

          And Can Newton putting up 40 on SF has no bearing on us whatsoever. They’re a different team. They call things and design things differently.

          • Captain Poopy

            Whoa!!! A ton of chicken littles here….

            Chill, it is ONE week vs a team that ALWAYS rises to the occasion to play us.

  29. KD

    Absolutely pathetic performance by the offense

  30. Volume12

    That’s the way to earn the coaches trust C-Mike.

  31. Jarhead

    3 points against the Rams. 3 points… I wonder if anyone will be allowed to be held accoubtable after this one. Is everything still fine after a game like this? Considering we looked worse agianst a worse opponent

    • Ground_Hawk

      They lost the turnover battle. Hard to win when they can’t hold onto the football.

      • Volume12

        And one game LA got shutout. That doesn’t define who they are.

      • Jarhead

        Lost the turnover battle? One was a strip sack to end the half. The other was a fumble to end the game. It wasn’t like we gave up the ball in our own territory that resulted in a bunch of points for them. I think we won TOP
        So yeah there was more than that

        • Ground_Hawk

          Sure there is more to it, an entire underwhelming offensive performance. How often have you heard PC preach about the importance of winning the TO battle though?

  32. vrtkolman

    There was absolutely nothing good about that game. Even the defense looked bad, we only gave up 9 points because the Rams have zero talent on offense (minus Gurley) and a terrible coaching staff. That coaching staff still outcoached us AGAIN! I’m tired of saying “well it’s the Rams game, it’s going to be hard!”. This Rams team is terrible and shot themselves in the foot all game long. We need to re-design our offense because it doesn’t work anymore. It hasn’t worked for much of 2015 either, nor the playoffs.

    This was a crushing loss and it’s the first time I have felt like we are just mediocre.

    • Volume12

      Other than Shead, I’ll disagree about the defense.

  33. nichansen01

    we have scored 15 points in 8 quarters of football. Who is to blame here? Cable? Bevel? Carroll? Wilson? C-Mike? Suh?

    I don’t even know anymore, and frankly i don’t really care.

    So yeah… our defense is alright i guess. But the offense. Awful. Beyond awful really. Changes need to be made or say goodbye to finishing the season above .500… much less playoffs.

    The browns offense is better. The rams offense is better. The niners offense is better. I can’t name an offense in the league who has performed worse through two weeks than us. Can anyone here?

    At least I still have the huskies haha.

    • Ground_Hawk

      They could draft Fournette then!

  34. Ground_Hawk

    Too many mistakes. Sensitive officiating. LA RAMS WIN THEIR FIRST SUPERBOWL OF THE YEAR!

    • Volume12

      It’s week 2 with a bad O-line missing a big time starter, RW is hurt which affects the run game, we all knew this game would be tough, after 6 years you’d think we know better that Seattle football is tough, physical, at times slippy football, but we’re Clift jumping? O…K…

      • Ground_Hawk

        Who’s Clift?

        • Volume12

          Haha. I meant cliff.

          I was agreeing with you too, but I’m guessing you picked up on that.

          • Ground_Hawk

            I was unsure. The “O…K…” at the end threw me off. Online sarcasm fail strikes again lol

      • Jarhead

        We all just watched the same embarrassing game and it JUST ended. People are allowed to come on here and be upset and vent their frustrations. This should be the one safe haven for them to do so without being nitpicked. And quite frankly, no one is cliff jumping. They are watching a bad football team. We aren’t good right now, this isn’t just a blip. Or just the Rams. We should have blown this team out and we got manhandled. Don’t crap on people’s frustrations, especially when you have a bunch of comments out their that are just as bad

        • nichansen01

          It is just one game… but in the nfl each game is more than 6 percent of your season. In the NFL, every game matters. Fans have every right to be frustrated after this performance. No one should be content with an offense than could only muster 15 points through 8 quarters. Thats like 7 points a game. No matter how good the defense is, we aren’t holding green bay to under ten points, we aren’t holding carolina to under ten points, we aren’t holding new england to under 10 points, we aren’t holding new york or new orleans or arizona or atlanta or phili to under 10 points.

          There comes a time when we have get real about the offense. You can’t be a good nfl team if your offense cant score. You can’t even be a mediocore nfl team if your offense can’t score.

          • Volume12

            I’m not disagreeing about what they did on offense. They did play horribly.

            It all starts with this O-line.

            And this team needs a RB. It’ll get worse if not.

            • Glor

              I disagree with the need for a RB, AP wouldn’t be getting yards behind this line.

      • Ground_Hawk

        I’m not surprised that Seattle lost. The Rams always play the Seahawks like this. Disappointed? Sure, but not surprised. A relocated teams first home game at a new stadium, in a new city, against a division rival. You can bet they were going to bring it. Seattle had an opportunity and they weren’t able to capitalize, it’s a bummer, but life goes on.

        • Volume12


          Little salty because Seattle didn’t play the way you wanted them too? Didn’t call the game better? Fire Bevell and TC right?

          • Ground_Hawk

            I’m calling the Seahawks complaint hotline as we speak. Lol

            • Volume12

              Not you my man. ?

              Although your giving me a laugh today.

          • Volume12

            Look, I get it sucks man. But, with RW hurt it’s not gonna be pretty.

            The OTs aren’t good, they don’t have a run game, and yet they were still in this thing at the end.

            It’s just the way they’ve played football for 6 years now. Frustrating? Yes.

            • nichansen01

              Last time they didn’t score a touchdown an entire game was 2012. This is worse than last year or the year before. Much worse.

              • Volume12

                It might be. They might have an off year.

                Keeping 15 rookies said to me this team could be in trouble.

      • daniel

        Not to mention several other of hour best play makers are hurt. I think we should stop complaing and instead start to discuss the causes of why are offense was bad the last two games and how to fix that

  35. CharlieTheUnicorn

    The OC drives me nuts. Rawls goes out with injury, so let’s rush the ball 2 more times on long yardage situations… setting up a 3rd and 10. What happened to throwing to the TEs? Graham got a few targets, but was largely absent. Perhaps he was blocking inline more than I noticed.

    Shead had a decent game, had a couple of big breakdown, but to be fair 1 or 2 of the balls were on the money throws. Gurley was contained, ~ 65 total yards you take that every week. Take away – The defense played as expected and gave up 9 points.

    I could harp on the OL, but I thought the play calling didn’t do them any favors…..

  36. Forrest

    Hobbled Wilson vs the Rams is never going to be a win. The refs were garbage for both the Hawks and the Rams. Terrible officiating. There were positives here and there, but I’m reserving judgment because of Wilson’s obvious hobbling, and poor officiating on several big offensive calls. I would say that Wilson will be at least 90% next week, and 100% the rest of the season barring further injury.

    The defense was good for the most part. I can’t complain about field goals too much. The only issue I had was letting too many big passes go, but they dominated the Ram’s run game so I see it as a trade-off. The Marsh facemask was justified, but just barely. “Oh jee gosh dandy Batman, another Bennett offsides…” at the end of the game, but still.

    I really don’t like to be negative about anything, but Rawls looked bad…hope the injury isn’t too bad. Michael might be the better #1 at this point. Graham on the other hand looks really good for what his injury was. I expect him to come on big in a few weeks. That early bye week might actually be good for a change.

    We all the know the Rams play like desperate human beings whenever they face the Hawks, so my expectations for this game (as well as the result) were low. I think they win against the 49ers by 10 (defensive performance), but I’m 50/50 on the Jets game (depends on Wilson’s injury). Basically I think this game was a bit of a fluke. Without the injuries I think it would have been a 13-9 win (at least) for the Hawks, and it was almost a 10-9 win, so I’m still optimistic for the most part. Go Hawks!!

    • daniel

      Those are good points about the by week and the jets game

  37. nichansen01

    “why are you surprised… this is seahawks football after all*

    only scoring three points all game is not seahawks football.

    Although the criticism of the defense is a little unwarranted. Is every game that isn’t a shut out a failure for the d? Of course not. They played well overall.

    • Volume12

      Scoring 3 points isn’t.

      Playing close games, keeping things close to the vest until the 4th quarter, starting out slow, grinding out wins is.

    • Steele

      In terms of pass rush, turnovers, lockdown secondary play, they are nowhere near what they used to be. They may still manage bend-but-not-break, and an occasional flash or stop, but a Seahawks defense should impenetrable, and so dangerous, they change games and SCORE points. We have not seen this in a very long time.

      It was bad enough—when the D was still great—that the offense would sputter, force the D to win the game, then get tired by 4th Q. But the current D is average and same thing. The offense is so bad, the D gasses out, game over.

  38. Ed

    Another great game plan and adjustments by Bevell. He is terrible. He looks great when Wilson bails them out of trouble or can run wild, but as far as gameplan and adjustments, Bevell is on par with a high school coach. Bevell always makes the Ram D look like the 85′ Bears. Pathetic.

    As for the D, not much pressure for most of the game and Shead got picked on big time. Move Lane there. Too many big 3rd downs Shead gave up

    • Rob Staton

      Have you seen the list if injuries on offense?

      How is this on Bevell??

  39. Steele

    There is nothing much good about the Hawks on either side of the ball. Really nothing.

    Ifedi alone won’t fix this o-line, which is still short on talent. The absence of Beastmode is a clear problem, but not even he could make much behind this o-line. CMike is same old fumbling, slipping CMike, and I never thought differently. Rawls is gimpy. I don’t think the receiving corps is great either. Lockett, to me, has been overrated as a WR, and this season, he’s regressed. Russ was hesitant even before he got hurt. Bevell and Cable have no answers.

    The defense is not good. Wasn’t impressed last season, very unimpressed so far. The veterans like Sherm and ET give up big plays. It is far from the dominating defense of years past.

    So this is just week 2. There are a lot of injuries. It was the Rams, who magically play great every time they line up vs. the Hwks. But I was hoping to see something/anything that looks championship caliber. Nope.

    • Rob Staton

      “The defense is not good”

      Good grief.

  40. James

    Will Tell-the-Truth Tuesday actually see some truth being told? The fact is, we have the worst offense in the NFL, and that is with an elite QB and good WRs… we are worse even than the Cleveland Browns. We are wildly inconsistent and might gear up again 2nd half of this season, but the truth is that our scheme is flawed, and our approach on the OL is flawed. Just look at the top offenses in the NFL and realize that you are watching an entirely different game than what the Seahawks are playing, complex and sophisticated, unpredictable, oh-wow big plays that take your breath away with their innovative surprises; clever move after clever move that outwits the opponent. Instead, here you get the blank stares like, what is wrong and why? They remind me of the blank stares on the faces of the old veer option coaching geniuses who suddenly can’t score a point and can’t fathom that people have finally figured them out.

    • Steele

      Is this going to be the third consecutive year that there has to be some kind of team meeting to address a malaise or bizarre lack of unity or collective fire? It looks like it.

      • Rob Staton

        I don’t see a malaise or lack of unity. Just a ton of injuries.

    • Rob Staton

      “The fact is, we have the worst offense in the NFL, and that is with an elite QB and good WRs”

      The overreactions are stronger than ever today…

      • Glor

        has any team in the NFL put up fewer points than us? Besides the Rams who just beat us. But yes, season is still young and we will get better. It is frustrating to see this O-Line playing this poorly.

        • Rob Staton

          It’s two weeks — if we’re the lowest scoring offense in NFL history after two weeks (I know we aren’t) it wouldn’t concern me. They need to get healthy. They’ll get it right.

          • Glor

            Curious, what is 78’s background that makes us think he can be a sevicable LT? Honest question as I haven’t done any research on him.

            • Rob Staton

              What was Mike Remmers’ and Michael Oher’s background a year ago?

              • smitty1547

                The Blindside come on Rob everyone knows that one

  41. Glor

    We all know the offense is garbage. But as someone else has mentioned, I think Kris R needs to go. Our D isn’t getting the turnovers that we were getting pre KR

    • Volume12

      I just think teams aren’t testing us anymore. Sherm shuts down one side of the field. So teams run play action to the backside, get Shead in 1 vs 1 coverage down the sideline. That’s it.

      And I don’t think ET trusts Shead. It leads to Thomas over from own saying and trying to do too much.

      If we could find one more corner, I think the defense would get more TO’s.

      • Glor

        But they have been able to do that (find corners) until KR became dc

      • Glor

        Lack of pressure on Keemun was frustrating as well (and I hope that is the reason Earl is playing so poorly)

    • Rob Staton

      Please people, stop calling for random firings after one loss.

      • Glor

        the topic was concerning the TO ratio since he bacame D.C. That isn’t just this year.

      • nichansen01

        This isn’t one loss. This is a pattern and a problem.

        • nichansen01

          We haven’t had a viable right corner since Maxwell. I think that is probably the difference.

        • Rob Staton

          It is one loss.

          And two games with an injured QB is a pattern that you don’t want to have to play with an injured QB.

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