Senior Bowl 2020 day two notes

January 22, 2020 /

Due to the complete lack of any coverage on the NFL Network, we’re being drip-fed clips via Twitter to be able to analyse practise. If you’re interested though, the NFL Network is today showing a replay of the 1994 contest between San Francisco and Kansas City when the practises are taking place. Unmissable.

Here are some more notes from day one to start. I’ll update this post when the day two action starts so keep refreshing.

Yesterday we highlighted how good Lloyd Cushenberry looked on the clips posted online, especially against top-10 talent Javon Kinlaw. However, Kinlaw actually had the better of Cushenberry on two reps shown on the NFL Network’s inadequate recap show.

On one rep Cushenberry gave up his chest as a huge target and was walked back into the quarterback. On the second he was driven backwards with some late disengagement to finish. The LSU center had some good reps but these balance things out a bit.

Auburn’s Marlon Davidson bossed John Simpson on back-to-back reps. He was just too quick. Simpson’s footwork is even more of an issue here than it was on tape. He appears limited. Davidson also forced Terence Steele to overset on back-to-back reps off the edge:

Davidson was impressive. He’s quite stocky though and lacks great length (32 7/8 inch arms). He’s a bit of a tweener with the appearance of a smaller, quicker defensive tackle. He compared himself to Cam Jordan during interviews this week but Jordan has 35-inch arms. That’s a big difference. His fit probably has to be three-technique and that’ll take some projecting. It’ll be interesting to see how he tests.

***Update*** — Davidson apparently rolled his ankle yesterday and will not work out for the rest of the week in Mobile. He’s wearing a walking boot at practise today.

Jason Stowbridge of North Carolina gained rave reviews for his performance on day one. His motor never stopped and he really went after it. Note the way he sprinted back into position after each rep. He was eager to make an impression.

He wins this rep below but the lack of hand use is troublesome. This is something I detected watching some of his film last night. He doesn’t really engage/disengage or win with his hands. He’s sub 33-inch arms which doesn’t help. Here he just absorbs contact, keeps the legs churning and wins with quickness. That looks good but at the next level he’ll get bench pressed and will need to counter. Leg drive and active feet on contact won’t be enough.

This is a really good rep though:

Here it’s all hand use. He throws off Justin Herron in embarrassing fashion for the lineman. Again, I’m not sure he’s going to be afforded this level of opponent at the next level but you can only beat what’s in front of you.

Ben Bredeson had some nice reps on day one but this is a sign of why +33-inch arms matter:

His lack of length means he has to reach and lean to engage contact. It’s too easy for the defensive lineman to jolt him with a strong punch and knock him off balance. From there he’s being ridden into the backfield.

A year ago Deebo Samuel and Terry McLaurin shone at the Senior Bowl, dominating defensive backs and getting open with exceptional breaks and quickness. Florida’s Van Jefferson had a good start yesterday:

Jefferson isn’t quite at Samuel and McLaurin’s level (it was stunning how good they looked last year). Yet he’s showing very fluid, quick movements and he makes the separation look effortless. This is what you need to see from receivers at this type of event. He has to beat these lower level defensive backs.

His movement is very subtle and deliberate. We’ll need to see how fast he runs because the Seahawks only draft 4.4 or faster. He looks like one to watch though.

K.J. Hill also showed well. He ran a 3.93 short shuttle at SPARQ so short-area quickness and change of direction has never been an issue for him. Long speed? That’s the big question for Hill. I’m not sure he’s more than a 4.5 runner and he’s small with a limited catching radius.

Colt McKivitz unsurprisingly looks very comfortable at right tackle here. He’s 6-6 and 304lbs with 33 1/4 inch arms. He has limited upside but was solid throughout his time at West Virginia. He could be someone who develops into an unspectacular yet capable right tackle.

Day two notes

Jason Stowbridge was a standout on day one. Based on what limited footage we have access to today, he’s started strongly again on Wednesday:

He’s very quick, active and busy. I watched some of his tape last night and there was one game — can’t remember the opponent — where he flashed an inside move that gets you out of your chair. Superb quickness and burst and he was in the backfield instantly. That said, there aren’t a lot of moments like that. He was a classic half-a-tick late on a lot of plays.

I like the motor and attitude he’s playing with in Mobile. I’m eager to see him test. It’d also be helpful if he can measure +33-inches in arm length at the combine having just missed out here.

Nick Harris is not an easy guy to beat. For Stowbridge to flash like he does above is impressive. Here’s an example of Harris’ quickness to get across and wall-off Neville Gallimore:

A lot of people like Gallimore but I think he is what he is — a fairly modest interior defensive tackle prospect. Not particularly special — although he’s said to be a tremendous athlete so let’s see if he backs that up at the combine and if nothing else you can believe in the upside.

Below he’s handled quite easily by Hakeem Adenji. They just end up in a sumo-contest. Gallimore doesn’t use his hands at all. There’s no initial contact, no attempt to stay clean or disengage. He just tries to plough through Adnji and it doesn’t work. He needs to be better than this:

This final clip looks like a terrific rep for Gallimore but it’s mostly on Ben Bredeson. There’s no attempt at all to get his hands of Gallimore and challenge him. It’s basically a free pass into the backfield. Get in there, get your hands on him, put up some resistance. Bredeson is way too tentative here. He’s passive. Let’s see a punch. Gallimore doesn’t need a big old invitation to swipe and swim like this:

A lot of people are going to be telling you what Joshua Uche can be and a lot of it will be wrong, unfortunately. He’s an impressive, driven character. He has good length (+33 inch arms) and he looks athletic and versatile. He’s a talented prospect.

Even so, he’s still a SAM linebacker. He’s 6-1 and 241lbs. The rep below is nice to see but at best he’s a situational rusher and not an impact pass rusher at the next level. He acted as a very aggressive SAM at Michigan and that’s how they use their linebacker’s. Devin Bush was used very aggressively too but more as a blitzer.

Uche could do with showing quickness in the forty at the combine and good agility testing to really give teams confidence of his ability to stick at linebacker. First and foremost that will be his NFL role. The rest is a bonus.

It’s a nice rep for Uche below but Charlie Heck’s footwork is atrocious. You can’t play left tackle like that in the NFL. This is the thing to remember here. Sometimes it’s the luck of the draw who you come up against. Heck looks overmatched at left tackle and Uche won both of these 1v1’s. Look at the second video — the sheer threat of another outside rush leaves the inside-counter wide open. You can’t fear an outside rush and you have to play inside-out.

Tony Pauline highlighted Adam Trautman, a tight end from Dayton, as someone who stood out on day one. Pauline suggested he could work his way into round two. Much of that will depend on how he tests. However, the agility testing for TE’s is vital (three cone, short shuttle). This footwork and change of direction below is encouraging. He’s 6-5 and 251lbs but only has 32.5 inch arms. He might not be to Seattle’s taste but we’ll see:

Below isn’t a good rep for Colt McKivitz against Kenny Willekes. McKivitz is a low-ceiling type so he has to be consistent and at least appear tough to beat. Willekes is a limited athlete with 31 1/4 inch arms. He wins mostly through effort. It’s a clean, clear win for Willekes here though:

Watching the scrimmages for the North team, Antonio Gandy-Golden created great separation on one route but then dropped the easy catch downfield. There were a few drops in the early receiver drills too.

UCLA’s Joshua Kelly looks very interesting at running back. Great size at 5-10 and 214lbs so in Seattle’s range. His burst is impressive and he picks up speed quickly. Apparently he’s good with his hands too so keep an eye on him as a potential C.J. Prosise replacement.

Baylor’s Denzel Mims had a really nice contested catch by the right sideline on a lofted pass by (I think) Jordan Love. He adjusted to the ball superbly and tracked it all the way. Nice high-point and catching technique.

Nick Harris has had some rough reps in 1v1’s but in the scrimmage when needing to anchor the line from center he’s looked very comfortable. He gets low, masters leverage and puts up a wall.

Here’s the OL vs DL drills from yesterday with a breakdown of each video:

North team

The first rep shows Kenny Willekes easily beating Josh Jones. This is the same Josh Jones some have been touting in round one. Not sure why. Horrible footwork. He’s stood in cement. Lunges at Willekes and gives up the inside. Awful.

Ben Bredeson is very passive on the second rep. He waits for contact, perhaps through fear of losing balance while reaching with shorter arms. It’s a decent recovery but not ideal technique at the start.

Nick Harris cedes too much ground on the third rep. He needs to plant the anchor. Neville Gallimore shows some really nice quickness on the fourth rep. He swipes away the hands of the blocker to stay clean and bursts into the backfield. A nice win.

Matt Peart’s hand placement needs a lot of work. On the fourth rep you can see he places his hands to the outside. That’s a holding call waiting to happen and it means he can’t control his block. This isn’t an easy technical flaw to fix.

The Jason Strowbridge show begins at 1:10. It’s a TKO against Justin Herron. Wow. Swipe the hands to stay clean, throw the tackle on his back. Herron will be having nightmares about that for weeks.

On the next rep Davon Hamilton has a win against Matt Hennessy. Easy swim move catches Hennessy flat-footed. Not a good look for the center. Comfortable for Hamilton. Jonah Jackson does a better job on the subsequent rep.

Then it’s Colt McKivitz’s turn vs Trevon Hill. It’s a nice kick-slide by McKivitz to gain position then he keeps his shoulder as square as possible to prevent the inside-counter. Nice inside-out technique. He turns Hill inside and locks it down. Big win for McKivitz.

Alton Robinson then bull-rushes Josh Jones into next week. Again, people — including PFF — have been talking up Jones a lot as a first round talent. What is this based on?

Bredeson’s second go through is a fairly simple task to shadow his defender which he’s good at and he handles this well. Nick Harris again cedes too much ground but he retains some level of control. Then it’s Strowbridge again — winning from the interior. He tried to do this a lot in college and he’ll need better hand-use. He just barges his way through with quickness but that won’t be possible at the next level. He wins this rep but it’s not a great highlight. You’ve got to use your hands to stay clean. Leaning on the shoulder and using hussle to win through won’t work in the NFL.

Joshua Uche is then kept in check by Matt Peart. Again Peart’s technique is suspect but Uche has little answer here. The final two reps are wins for the O-line including Willekes being stoned fairly easily.

South team

This is harder to analyse because of the camera position behind the defensive players. We can’t see the depth or the range in which players are forced backwards.

Lloyd Cushenberry appears to concede a lot of ground on the first rep. He stays in front but generally this would constitute a collapsed pocked and a D-liner doing his job. A pass rusher doesn’t need a clean win to be victorious. He just needs to impact the QB and force him off the spot. This is a win for Benito Jones.

Marlon Davidson easily beats John Simpson on the next rep. Simpson’s footwork is awful and he barely moves. Davidson is on him in a flash and just beats him with a swim. Far too easy. Poor from Simpson, impressive from Davidson.

Terrell Lewis is handled by Ben Bartch on the next rep. He can’t win to the outside so tries the inside-counter but it’s easily handled by Bartch. In a game Lewis would’ve just rushed into a crowd. Then Terence Steele easily defeats D.J. Wonnum.

Logan Stenberg’s first rep is typically competitive. He initiates contact, shows off great balance upon engagement and finishes. He’s too strong, too powerful. He can improve his leverage but he’s 6-6. Stenberg is a bang-the-table prospect along with Anthony McFarland.

The next rep is nicely competitive between Cushenberry and Josiah Coatney. Cushenberry is driven backwards violently upon contact but he recovers, regains leverage and balance and ends up earning a tie.

Then it’s Davidson vs Simpson rep #2. It’s another win for Davidson who is too quick. Last week I highlighted Simpson’s poor footwork and it’s really showing up in Mobile. They ran the rep again and Davidson walked him back into the QB’s lap. Three reps, three wins for Davidson.

Bartch does a good job against Jabari Zuniga. Bartch collected some SEC scalps with Lewis and Zuniga. Alex Taylor easily beats Trevis Gipson (who doesn’t look like he has any sand in his pants).

Then it’s Kinlaw’s first win against Cushenberry. He walks him back into the quarterback with a one-armed bull rush. The only thing missing was a late disengage. This is why Kinlaw is so exciting. He’s not just quick and twitchy — he has great length, power and he controls blockers. The second rep between the two happens at 3:05. Kinlaw initiates contact then disengages with a simple spin move to break free. Another win.

At 4:21 Terrell Lewis troubles Terence Steele with his quickness without ever truly getting free. Steele handles the inside-counter but then almost gives up a second counter to the outside and could’ve been called for holding at the end. They replay the snap and neither player has any juice.

Stenberg’s second rep is against Robert Webster again. Once more, he takes on the challenge with extreme comfort and ease. He just looks the part. Plug him in at left guard and be really happy about it. He looks like Alex Boone.

Cushenberry’s best rep is at 4:54 and then John Simpson has a far better rep against Marlon Davidson, who showed no energy or burst this time. I wonder if he’d already turned his ankle at this point?

Back to today…

For some reason, Logan Stenberg has only faced off against Robert Windsor in 1v1’s. Stenberg has won every battle so far:

Likewise it’s always Kinlaw vs Cushenberry. Prior to this snap Kinlaw tripped and was seen limping. He still took the next rep and beat Cushenberry with a swim move.

Here’s a good rep for Terrell Lewis. He controls the tackle with one arm, puts him on skates and keeps his free hand available to swipe the football loose.

This is a much better rep from John Simpson. Better feet, hand placement and a physical edge to finish:

It’s important to remember that gradual improvement as the week develops is a positive thing. If players struggle at first, take on coaching and then finish the week strong — sometimes that’s better than a comfortable few days where you don’t really learn much about a prospect. Let’s see if Simpson can finish the week strong.

Jabari Zuniga was quiet yesterday so it was nice to this below. Nice burst, keeps his frame clean and a finish to the QB. Terrence Steele is caught on his heels:

Jonathan Greenard had a win on the previous snap but it’s really poor from Calvin Throckmorton. He was a late call-up having participated in the Senior Bowl and he gives up the inside-move way too easily here. Again, play inside-out:

Here’s a quick reminder that Pete Carroll is out recruiting this week at the Pro Bowl…

Finally, Tony Pauline says speculation in Mobile is that the Seahawks, Cardinals and Packers are expected to pursue Atlanta tight end Austin Hooper in free agency. It’s been clear since Will Dissly’s injury that Seattle will have to add a capable tight end at some point this off-season — either via the market or the draft.

They spent big money on Zach Miller in 2011 and traded for Jimmy Graham in 2015. The position is incredibly valuable to the offense and sadly with Dissly picking up two serious injuries in as many seasons, they have to look at what else is out there.

So why would Hooper be a fit? He ticks all their boxes. He blocks well and has been a reliable receiver. He’s 6-4 and 255lbs with 33 3/4 inch arms. Importantly, he also runs a 4.32 short shuttle and a 7.00 three cone. Agility testing is a big deal for tight end’s.

It won’t be a surprise at all if the Seahawks use some of their spare cap space to target Hooper.

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137 Comments

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      He can say what he wants on social media.

      Jacksonville can easily tag him. He can hold out. He can try and force a trade. But he isn’t free.

      • cha

        Well, about August or so Seahawks will trade their 2021 3rd round pick and, oh I don’t know, Tedric Thompson and Joey Hunt for him LOL.

        • Greg Haugsven

          You see that but Pro Football Talk just had a story how the deal would be easy to complete. You just never know how things are going.

    • Nathan

      Think it was on PFF, was reading that his run defense isn’t a strong point.

      Would our coaching staff be that keen?

    • GoHawksDani

      Not sure if he’s better or have an upside over Fowler (although I think Fowler can be a bit of a hothead drawing flags and blowing assignments for a big play). But as JAX is over the CAP, if they want any FA move to make they might have to let Ngakoue leave or tag and trade him. And JAX hand might be a bit tied because of their CAP, the compensation in the trade might be a bit lower than it’d be otherwise.
      If Hawks could get Ngakoue and JAX’s 2/42 and 3/73 for SEA’s 1/27, 2/59, 2/63 (basically trade back from 1st to early second, trade back from late 2nd to early-mid 3rd and give up late 2nd for the player), and give a longer term contract to Yannick (like 4 years: 15, 20, 23, 26, 50% gtd front heavy) WHILE also retain Clowney (4 years, 17, 20, 24, 26, 55% gtd front heavy), get Hooper (3 years, 11 APY, 8-11-13) and use their picks like:
      2/42 – Stenberg
      3/73 – Van Jefferson
      4/123 – Anthony McFarland

      2 good rushers (maybe retain Reed for the right price, or get someone kinda similar but cheaper), a really good TE for Russ, an OG for the future (and potentially for the now also), a solid WR3 with good ceiling and a balling RB (I feel McFarland has a bit Lynch in him and can see similarities to Kenyan Drake also)

  2. dcd2

    I just submitted a request to NFL.com asking for them to stop with the ridiculous replays of 15 year old games and air an event (Senior Bowl) which showcases some of the best new talent that will be coming into their league. Maybe if a few thousand more requests hit their server someone will bring it up?

    https://digitalcare.nfl.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=59077

    Thanks for providing what coverage you can Rob.

  3. Volume12

    Draft twitter and draft analysts make this game so much harder than it is. They write up these scouting reports that just read ridiculously. They find 5 different ways to say ‘big, strong, fast, good/bad ball skills, etc., etc.’

    They will have a lot of people fooled this week. Gonna talk up some guys that will go much earlier than they should because of practice reps. smh

    Watching someone from draft twitter ask Josh Uche what his favorite move is. He tells ’em and they say ‘oh, so you count your steps?’

    Uche: nah, I don’t count my steps. I just feel it out. 😂

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      That Uche clip was embarrassing. Lads, you tweet about the draft. You’re not Brian Baldinger.

      “Oh you just feel it ah ah ah ah I see yeah Josh that makes sense Josh”

      • Volume12

        Exactly. It was cringe worthy.

      • brendon light

        Hahahahaahahaha that is hilarious!

  4. cha

    How is this draft shaping up overall for Seahawks-type corners?

    Feels like roster-wise, this draft is time to take a late-round PC project or two to develop behind Flowers and Griffin.

    Lamar Jackson looks tall and long but I haven’t followed as much as I should.

  5. Sea Mode

    Ok, so we’re going to take helping out the refs to a whole new level in an effort to get the flags they are not throwing?

    https://twitter.com/SageRosenfels18/status/1220002480597217281

  6. Sea Mode

    Glenn Clark
    @GlennClarkRadio
    ·54m
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    @TonyPauline on #Terps RB Anthony McFarland: “With guys like Travis Etienne of Clemson and Najee Harris of Alabama deciding to go back to school…I think McFarland is going to end up in the third round.”

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      Yup.

      Anthony McFarland is special.

      Special.

      Incredible talent. Just needs a chance at the next level.

    • cha

      I just watched a youtube highlights clilp of McFarland.

      This guy is the real deal.

      The speed! The way he hits the hole is top notch.

      But what really hooked me was, when he hits the second level, he takes cuts that go against the grain to find (or make!) holes. Very reminiscent of Harvin’s kickoff return TD in the Super Bowl.

      Seahawks have to find a way to draft this guy. Seriously.

      What a weapon.

      • Rob Staton (Post author)

        Yep. He is the real deal.

        Look at his yards after contact too.

        • GoHawksDani

          What is the range in the draft for him? Obviously early, but with solid pre-draft time and a good combine? And with a moderate combine?

  7. icb12

    Well. I haven’t seen any of the NFL Network coverage.

    But I’m not terribly impressed with ESPNs coverage thus far to start.

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      If you want a review of the NFL Network coverage, just imagine it’s 1994 and the Chiefs are playing the Niners. Because that’s what’ll be on in seven minutes.

      • icb12

        That ESPN login work for you?

        If I need to log out on my end, let me know. It’s just kind of background noise at this point.
        Not sure how simultaneous streaming works with ESPN.

        Or maybe I can switch over and watch Thurman Thomas run all over Montana’s chiefs…

  8. Greg Haugsven

    Any Darrell Taylor footage yet? Very interested to see how he is doing.

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      He’s seemingly not practising.

      • Greg Haugsven

        Thats not good for him.

        • Rob Staton (Post author)

          Apparently he was held out of practise due to a failed medical based on the injury he had last season. It’s a leg injury.

  9. CHawk Talker Eric

    Here’s Nick Harris showing well

    https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1220032682081628161?s=21

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      Love the cliched description. The word ‘rare’ is used so much. Harris is quick — no doubt. Powerful too. Would be good to see all the reps.

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        I feel a bit hoodwinked by Cushenberry’s one good rep vs Kinlaw. Obviously scouts on hand saw everything, but it’s pretty messed up to keep football and draft fans everywhere in the dark. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

        Still intrigued by Cushenberry but not like I was yesterday for a while.

        • McZ

          He was the only OLiner actually able to stop Kinlaw in one rep. He also lost 5yd, and the play would be wrecked anyway.

          Kinlaw did the crap all over the season.

          And Strowbridge did it at a slightly lower level, too. He needs work with his hands, but really, name me one Seahawk DT having clean hands.

          Kinlaw > Gallimore > Strowbridge
          Add Ross Blacklock and possibly James Lynch, and you have a lot of IDL players to choose at every price range.
          The best thing is, you could make the same calculation on OL.

          This is a draft for the Seahawks to feast. And if a special RB, TE or WR comes your way, just take him.

          • CHawk Talker Eric

            Seems like Strowbridge is more of a base DE who might be able to slide inside on passing downs compared to Gallimore who is strictly a 3T.

            Kinlaw can play any position on the DL.

  10. Pran

    Just wish Hawks would fix the damn DL for next couple years either thru FA or Draft. Draft has become such a crap-shoot cant hold my breath over it. Cant believe Pete let it slide this far without a plan.

    This 49ers defense is special only because of the DL. DL is helping their back end play fast and loose.

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      Why do say there was no plan? Do you honestly believe they had NO plan?

      Sometimes things don’t work out as intended. It’s life. They will fix it.

      And it’s unfair comparing to the 49ers. Their D-line has four top-20 picks (including two top-five picks). Until the Seahawks have picked that early for 4-5 years, you can’t make that comparison.

      • Pran

        I understand they have top picks. But our DL came to depend on a last minute trade to bring a disgruntled player from a different team.

        We had Frank and Reed to show for the plan, Frank had to be sacrificed for draft picks cap savings. When our DL is one of the worst in the league it’s safe to say whatever plan they had was a disaster. Where did all the draft prodigy go?

        • Rob Staton (Post author)

          Just stop man.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      When SEA have several years of top 5 picks like SF, then our DL can be special too.

    • Nathan

      They picked in to top 15(and in most cases, the top 8) for about 6 years in a row.

      They got an advantage, that wasn’t available to us.

  11. JimQ

    I have Direct-TV, here on Camano Island, WA and Senior Bowl practice is on 10:30-AM T0 12-30-PM PST on ESPNUHD, Direct-TV channel-208. It’s on right now!

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Just checked and it’s on my ESPNU as well (youtube tv)

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        Though I don’t get the split screen focus on Patricia. Who cares about the coaches?

        • CHawk Talker Eric

          Lol but the open mike foul mouth is pretty funny

          • CHawk Talker Eric

            Ugh, *mic

    • JimQ

      The channel guide on Direct-TV shows only a “@”, which is probably why many have missed it by thinking it’s a college basketball game.

  12. Volume12

    Did Marlon Davidson get hurt?

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      Yes ankle injury. Out of the rest of the Senior Bowl.

      • Volume12

        Ouch. That’s rough. At least it’s not more serious.

  13. Volume12

    Tony Pauline mentioning that S. Illinois S Jeremy Chinn (6’3, 215 lbs., 32″ arms) looks more like a fluid corner versus a safety is interesting.

    • Trevor

      Physically he looks like a guy the Hawks will take a close look at. I predict he visits VMAC.

  14. Volume12

    Sounds like Michigan’s Josh Uche is having himself another strong day. Yesterday was said to have looked great in coverage and now he’s winning off the edge.

    Jason Strowbridge seems to be having another strong day.

    • Volume12

      Uche is blowing this week up!

      https://twitter.com/i/status/1220076195955519493

      • Rob Staton (Post author)

        Tackle’s footwork is non existent. Awful.

        • CHawk Talker Eric

          DT? Hamilton?

    • Volume12

      Udub’s Nick Harris is really struggling.

      • Volume12

        These drills aren’t conducive to who he is though. Needs to get out on the move. Probably in a zone. Is gonna have a hard time going head to head with DTs.

      • Rob Staton (Post author)

        I thought he looked good in the scrimmage.

        • CHawk Talker Eric

          Me too

        • John_s

          I thought he looked good as well

  15. McZ

    So, let’s see… where could Kinlaw fall?
    Top-6 are settled IMO, with the Chargers and Herbert being too good a fit to pass.

    Carolina will take who remains out of Wills, Wirfs or Thomas.
    Arizona is equally desperate for OL talent.
    Jax could take Derrick Brown or Kinlaw. Or go LB in Simmons, or CB. Let’s say, Brown at 9, CB at 20.
    Brown need dynamic targets, so WR. This may start the frenzy, with Colts, Jets, Saints, Eagles and Bills following.
    Atlanta will take a DE, Epenesa or Chaisson?
    Bucs could go OL, too
    Fins second pick will be wide open, but protecting Tua will be priority one
    Vikes need secondary help, so Delpit or Diggs (would be fun)
    Raiders are tricky; can we really see Mayock passing on a CB or S from a top program?
    Pats may choose a QB, or another target for Bradys last hooray.
    Fins third pick will be a D, but I think, they need EDGE more than DT.

    There is a chance Kinlaw falls to the Seahawks. If not, there is no need to panic. This year, we will find trusted and agreed R1 talent.

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      No, there is not a chance he falls to the Seahawks.

      You can try and talk yourself into it if you want — but it’ll be a massive waste of time.

      • McZ

        I’m not saying he will. I was trying to sketch a scenario, where he could.
        Will not happen, 99.9%, so we’re not in disagreement here.

        The point is, some very good player considered Top-something will fall to the Seahawks. And with 4 or 5 OT considered R1 talent, with a couple of very good WR, with a loaded RB class, and in a league thristy for DE talent, who knows?

        • Rob Staton (Post author)

          Look, I’m not trying to be difficult. But we do know. There’s not even any point saying, ‘who knows?’. We are talking about one of the elite prospects in this draft. Cobble together a list of the very best players in the overall class. You HAVE to include Kinlaw. Saying he ‘might’ fall is no different than saying Joe Burrow, Chase Young, Andrew Thomas, Derrick Brown, Isaiah Simmons, Jerry Jeudy etc might fall. No, I’m sorry, we’re not talking about the middle class of the draft here. We’re talking about one of THE best prospects.

          It’s time to move on guys.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Not to be contrary but I think there’s no chance Kinlaw falls to SEA. I think there’s no chance he falls far enough for SEA to make a reasonable move up to get him.

      • Rob Staton (Post author)

        Nothing contrary about rightly saying a top-10 talent won’t fall to #27.

        Might as well talk ourselves into Andrew Thomas falling. Hey — who will they pick!?! Kinlaw or Thomas!

        • CHawk Talker Eric

          The answer obviously is BOTH!

          • Rob Staton (Post author)

            😉

        • HawkfaninMT

          I agree it’s unlikely… but you need not look any further than Daniel Jeremiah to see that it’s not impossible. It doesn’t hurt for someone to explore, it’s why we are here ya know?

          http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001097592/article/daniel-jeremiah-2020-nfl-mock-draft-10-four-qbs-in-top-15

          • Rob Staton (Post author)

            It is impossible.

            That’s a horrendous mock draft.

            If you want to think there’s a chance Kinlaw lasts then be my guest. You might as well hope Chase Young and Andrew Thomas last too.

            Kinlaw is a top-12 lock. We’ve been saying that for a long time now, as have others.

            A year ago Daniel Jeremiah generously placed Kyler Murray at #32 overall. He was a smidgen off there and he is with Kinlaw too. In his next mock Kinlaw will be top-15 and nobody will bring up the fact he got it so wrong initially.

            • Rob Staton (Post author)

              And there we go. So two days into the Senior Bowl, all of a sudden Javon Kinlaw is the #7 player in Jeremiah’s top-50. Did he even watch him play before mocking him in the mid-20’s??? None of this makes sense.

              http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001098476/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospect-rankings-for-2020-nfl-draft-10

              He also thinks Andrew Thomas is the #25 prospect in the draft. Grant Delpit is #26. No Isaiah Thomas or Jalen Reagor but Bradlee Anae is in the top-50. Get in the sea.

            • HawkfaninMT

              To be fair, you had Jachai Polite going 8 to the Lions at the Senior Bowl last year. All I’m saying it is that to me it doesn’t serve the blog to shut someone down for simply wanting to talk about somebody.

              https://seahawksdraftblog.com/updated-mock-draft-two-rounds-2

              • Rob Staton (Post author)

                So what? Do you remember about Polite?

                Everyone graded him in that range. Then it emerged he had major character concerns. Then he had a shocking combine and sank like a stone. That wasn’t me being ‘wrong’ on Polite. That was Polite tanking his stock.

                I’ve written this blog for 11 years. I know what is best for this blog. I know that wasting time talking about top 10 prospects falling to 27 is a waste of time. Daniel Jeremiah mocked Kinlaw in the mid 20’s and then TWO DAYS LATER put him at #7 in his top-50. He clearly simply hadn’t watched him play until this week. You can’t take that seriously.

                Kinlaw will not be there for Seattle. If we’re going to waste time on that we might as well move on to Chase Young next.

                • HawkfaninMT

                  The fact that everyone grades him in that area is my point. In my opinion, nobody should be shot down simply bringing someone up in the comments section. I just don’t see the point that serves. But you are absolutely right that this is your blog, and to be honest I love it. I didn’t mean to get your goat, just wanted to share my support for this poster I don’t know in reaction to him mentioning Kinlaw.

                  • Rob Staton (Post author)

                    My job on this blog is to steer us away from blind alleys. What is the point wasting time talking about a player with NO chance of being there??? Like I said, might as well talk about Chase Young. You keep referring to this as being ‘shot down’, like some great crime has taken place. No. It’s simply stating a fact. And the only counter so far has been a link to Daniel Jeremiah’s crap mock draft that he himself contradicted 48 hours later.

  16. CHawk Talker Eric

    I think Jordan Love is this year’s Deshaun Watson/Patrick Mahomes in that some team will trade up to around pick 10-12 to take him and it will prove to be a great move for that team.

  17. Sea Mode

    Not a good look for Brycen Hopkins here:

    https://twitter.com/ChaseGoodbread/status/1220080568039346182

    Then again, we already knew what he is(n’t) as a blocker heading in.

  18. Sea Mode

    Nice.

    I remember V12 talking him up a while back.

    https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1220086032227557377

  19. Rob Staton (Post author)

    I’ve found OL vs DL for yesterday on YouTube. Will post shortly.

    • Sea Mode

      Sweet!

  20. Sea Mode

    If you don’t get your hands on him though… say goodbye. That’s the upside shining through right there.

    https://twitter.com/soonergridiron/status/1220092390838542338

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      That’s really poor from Bredeson though. Didn’t even try to get his hands on him or mix it up. Lousy rep. Tentative.

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        Yep. Off the Bredeson bandwagon. Not enough length and it shows.

        • Rob Staton (Post author)

          Length poor and he’s just seemed so passive.

  21. Sea Mode

    🤫

    Zach Goodall
    @zach_goodall
    ·2m

    #Gators WR Tyrie Cleveland is all over special teams drills at the Senior Bowl, working as a returner, gunner, and jammer. Florida fans are used to his effort on ST, now scouts get to see it in person.

    https://twitter.com/zach_goodall/status/1220093447379587072

    • GoHawksDani

      Solid size, didn’t see him play, but based on only stats he was not a key part of the offense. I’d be happy taking him in the 6th round, but last year we drafted for the ST (Amadi, Homer, BBK, but Barton and Blair are also solid ST guys), so this year I’d like them to 99% focus on O/D# potential (especially early) in the first 3-4 rounds (if drafting someone mainly for ST, I’d like a superb returner, like Hardman, Deonte Harris, etc)

  22. CHawk Talker Eric

    South Carolina punter Joe Charlton is getting serious love. One analyst said he might be the best punter he’d ever seen in Mobile

  23. Kingdome1976

    I can’t help but think of JS/PC in this off-season. What do they actually think will take us to the next step?

    I keep thinking we need guys on the d-line that simply disrupt the QB and can stuff the run…not just speed around the corner and get to the QB every once in while. Calais Campbell I believe would make the most impact on our D-Line. He would free up Clowney to do awesome things as well as be the team leader on defense and give our players a sense of confidence.

    I’m not against getting a speed guy on the end but maybe we could land Robert Quinn for cheaper than people think…I’ve always thought he could be a kind of Avril replacement.

    Just shooting from the hip here but we also need another WR who can actually separate I think. RW seemed to show in his last interview that he wants another target.

    JS/PC need to make smart moves this year on the open market and in the draft or I fear we will end up rinsing and repeating.

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      I think they are abundantly clear on what needs to happen.

      Some people have been calling for Quinn for a couple of years now but they’ve never shown any interest. The back issue is a concern. It hasn’t flared yet but could do at any time. I think they need younger and hungrier. One way or another they need some speed in their pass rush.

      • Bigten

        Do you know how they felt about Beasley? I think he would the ideal candidate for a 1 year prove it deal. Would be speed off the edge.

        • Rob Staton (Post author)

          I don’t but he was a top-10 pick selected by Dan Quinn’s team so I suspect they would’ve felt strongly about him. I think he would be a good reclamation project as part of a rotation but would need to be cost-effective and they’d need a more proven starter.

          • Coleslaw

            The more I look at not only our needs but our opportunities, this isnt a 1 man fix anyway. It’s likely going to be something like Griffen + Beasley anyway. It’s just the most realistic outcome.

            I’d love Fowler/Ngakoue + Griffen/Beasley though. I hope they’re aggressive this offseason. We may lose a starter or 2 but it’s likely the ones we let go will be the most replaceable. A

            • Rob Staton (Post author)

              I’m certain they will be aggressive. Pete knows the deal here. It’s one of the main reasons he’s at the Pro-Bowl. He knows they need some veteran additions right now on this defense.

              Ngakoue will be tagged by the Jaguars so rule that one out. He can say what he wants on Twitter. They won’t let him walk for nothing. I think we’ll see all sorts of moves — potentially trades, some free agent additions. They will be very active.

  24. Volume12

    Too bad Darnay Holmes doesn’t have the length Seattle likes at corner. His agression and physicality jumps out.

    • Coleslaw

      Hes only 5’10”. IMO it’s been more realistic to look at him as a nickel. Wanna see how he tests but I still like him as the 11th defender.

  25. CHawk Talker Eric

    Getting my threads mixed up

    This is why Kinlaw is a top-10 lock. My favorite prospect in this draft and it’s not even close.

    https://twitter.com/MVScouting/status/1220105940768305153?s=20

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      If ADG tests as athletically as he looks, he’s a very interesting LB prospect for SEA in the mid rounds.

      Akeem Davis-Gaither/Appalachian State having a terrific practice this afternoon. Very athletic and super quick— Tony Pauline (@TonyPauline) January 22, 2020

    • Henry Taylor

      He is truly a monster, I’d consider him over Brown.

  26. Pickering

    Thanks Rob and each and all continuing to provide so much good info on what’s happening at the Senior Bowl. The best info I’ve seen is on this site.

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      Thank you

  27. Coleslaw

    Respect to you Rob. Times like these accentuate how you’re doing all this work without the support that most draft analysts get. You’re no different than any of the commenters, yet you nail it consistently. I’m astonished a team hasnt hired you yet. Even if we dont always agree with each other, you do an awesome job (not a job, you do it for free). You rock man.

    Im so confused by this limited coverage… The NFL has a huge opportunity to make big bucks but they refuse to make this a red carpet showing, even though the demand is there. I cant figure this out..

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      Thanks man. I really appreciate those words.

      The coverage is baffling. For example today — they showed about 25 mins of coverage. It was really rolling. The suddenly and abruptly they just shut it down and played the 1994 replay of San Francisco vs Kansas City. It made absolutely no sense to start covering the Senior Bowl… then just stop for a replayed game.

  28. Rob Staton (Post author)

    I’ve updated the post at the bottom following Tony Pauline’s report that the Seahawks, according to speculation in Mobile, are one of the teams coveting Austin Hooper in free agency.

    • Zxvo3

      Interesting.. I’m a big fan of Hooper. Rob could you give an estimate on how much he would cost to bring in?

      • Rob Staton (Post author)

        I would think quite expensive. Top level TE money. But they have cap room.

        • AndrewP

          Love the idea of Hooper… Not sure I love the idea of getting in a bidding war for him (Yes, I realize that’s not what you said).

          I’d rather dangle the (hopeful) 3rd and see if they can get Njoku, or a package of picks (going back and forth) for Howard.

          • Rob Staton (Post author)

            The one thing I really like about Hooper though is he’s a safety net. Russell needed that badly at the end of last season. He’s also very dynamic at the second level and he blocks. With a decent chunk of prospects I really like in this draft between R2-4 I wouldn’t want to lose (or have to replenish) those picks if it can be avoided. I’d actually rather trade R1 to be honest for a quality pass rusher.

      • John_s

        Tyler Higbee was extended for 4 yrs / 31 mil with 15 mil guaranteed.

        That’s the floor but with Hooper being a 2 time pro bowler he’s probably looking for 9-10 mil a year and at least 20 mil guaranteed

      • Eli

        Probably reasonable to expect he falls somewhere in the $8m-$9m APY range

    • Bigten

      How much do you think hooper is going to be demanding?

  29. DC

    That would be cool & make some real sense. If the current incarnation of the Seahawks are to make another Super Bowl trip it’s going to be on the back of an elite offense, a ‘functional’ defense & good teams. Those are all attainable imho.

    • DC

      In reference to Hooper.

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      I think they’ll need to be more than functionable on defense and won’t settle for that anyway.

  30. DC

    Where do you currently project McKivitz to be selected?

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      Mid/late rounds

  31. Bigten

    Have you been able to watch any of Johan Jackson Rob? PFF has him as a big winner so far saying:
    Ohio State OG Jonah Jackson

    Jackson might be the only offensive lineman in attendance this week to not have a convincing loss in the one-on-ones. His independent hand usage has been nothing short of elite this week. The ability to latch and not let go is something that you love to see from an interior lineman. His build may not be the most impressive, but the tape is.

    Although, they also have said Josh Jones has been impressive, so I’m not to sure what to think.

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      Only a couple of reps. One where he looked good but I need to see more.

      PFF thinks Ashtyn Davis is a R1 though so…

      • Bigten

        Yeah, that’s why I was wondering your opinion. Only one that truly matters

  32. charlietheunicorn

    Rob (or anyone)

    Has the NFL, NFL.com or ESPN or anyone else commented as to why the Senior Bowl Practices and Game are NOT being televised?

    I could do without the replay of the AFCCG and NFCCG, since they were more or less boring affairs.

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      Nope.

      Just complete disregard for the audience.

    • Henry Taylor

      The game is at least being televised on nfl network isn’t it?

      • Rob Staton (Post author)

        It is — a saving grace.

        Unless they decide to show some game from 1997 instead.

  33. charlietheunicorn

    John Clayton mentioned he has heard Reed is looking for 15M . year type of money,
    Well that seems excessive. Top 10 DT make about 11/M year and he hasn’t been a top 10 DT talent more than possibly 1 season.

    • John_s

      That the franchise tag #. It would make sense why he’s asking for it, but it could be a Sheldon Richardson situation who signed a 1 yr deal for 8 mil then cashed out the year after.

      He may need to come down to reality a bit, but there’s always a team that may overspend too

    • SoCal12

      I wouldn’t really put much into the $15m number. Seems like the standard negotiation tactic of starting high then working your way down. Remember when Wilson was asking for like $40m and a fixed percentage or whatever?

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      Well Jarran Reed is about to be very disappointed.

      • Trevor

        I think he is going to get a big slap in the face from reality when free agency starts. He is coming off a year where he was suspended for 6 games for violence against women issue and then was average at best. The absolute max I wouldbe be offering is 3yrs /25 mil.

        Even last year when he had his one dominant season statistically a lot of his sacks were of the the clean up variety after Clark got the initial pressure moving the QB off his spot. That is what Pete was trying to say in his end of season presser when asked aout Reed I think.

        5 Defensive Tackles made $15 mil + last year. (Donald, Cox, Jarret, Atkins and Casey). Reed has not been close to these guys in terms of production or impact.

        • millhouse-serbia

          Maybe they will tag him with purpose to trade him. If they don’t manage to trade him, well he will get 15.5 mil for one year. 😀

          I think there are teams who are ready to give 3rd round pick for him, just not sure there are teams to do that and than pay him what he wants.

          • Rob Staton (Post author)

            They won’t tag him. His salary is would be way too high. Nobody is going to pay Jarran Reed $15m even for one season and they certainly won’t trade for him knowing that’d be the starting point in a negotiation.

        • Rob Staton (Post author)

          I think the internet/media reaction to Reed’s tweets has been poor to be honest. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with him hoping/expecting a huge pay day. This is the one chance in his career he gets to be a free agent at the conclusion of his initial contract. It’ll be exciting for him and in his mind, he’s a year removed from a 10.5 sack season and he’d argue his 2019 season was disrupted by what he’d determine to be an unfair suspension and a nagging ankle injury (that he played through).

          But teams are not inclined to spend big money on defensive tackles. Donald, Cox and Atkins are three of the best players over the last 10 years. Donald is one of the best players ever. My hope is that when reality bites for Reed he won’t see it as disrespect from the Seahawks and feel like he has to go somewhere else. Because I could see him going off to somewhere like Arizona — not for more money per se — but for the principle of the situation.

          • Trevor

            I agree Rob how JS handles that situation is the key. Best for everyone would bring him back on a one year deal so he can rebuild his value by having a dominant season.

            If for example the Hawks are aggressive early and sign Clowney and Fowler then Reed will know that there is going to be a lot better pass rush off the edge with teams having to scheme coverage for that he should have a chance to excel and put up big #s like 2018 then he would go into next off season in a postion of strength and still young.

            1yr /8-10 mil makes the most sense for everyone I think. But you certainly can’t blame Reed or any player for wanting all they can get.

  34. Denver Hawker

    Tyre Phillips has a couple nice reps against Kinlaw. Dude is an absolute unit. Could see Solari wanting to develop his technique.

  35. BobbyK

    I loved Dissly because he was such a good blocker and receiver (what we see of him each year until he gets hurt). I get so tired of seeing guys like Jimmy Graham and Hollister being asked to block stud guys coming from the edge on occasions. At least a solid blocker (who is also a good receiver) can perhaps give Russ that extra split second of time and that could mean the difference between winning and losing (because no TE is going to stop the studs of the world, but some can definitely slow them down or run block against anyone better than others). A do-it-all TE is so underrated.

  36. Coleslaw

    My God, Evan Silva is an idiot.

  37. Rob Staton (Post author)

    NFL Network one hour review show — 0 total clips of OL vs DL on Wednesday.

    Absolutely awful.

    • Trevor

      It is a disgrace. I emailed a complaint yesterday. Not that it will make any difference.

      Since Mayock left the NFL Networks draft coverage has gone downhill in a huge way. Mayock had his faults but he was a grinder who had passion obviously had an impact on how the cover the events. Jerimiah is all fluff it seems.

      • Kenny Sloth

        I did too fwiw

  38. Trevor

    Senior Bowl week was always my favourite week of the draft season and one of my favourite all year. Each year by watching all the practices it seemed like you could find some real gems and get an idea of what the players were really like as well as what scouts looked for.

    There year has been so disappointing. It is like waking up Xmas morning and getting coal in your stocking.

    I am not sure if that is why or because of all the players failing physicals or dropping out but this looks like a really weak group as well particularly at DB, OL and DE. This seems like one of the weakest draft classes in quite a while outside of WR and maybe OT. I could be way off but it is my initial impression.

    Almost hope that JS does his traditional trade back to pick up an extra 3rd then use some of the day #3 capital to move up in Rd #2 with one of the Loster 2nd round picks.

    Would be nice to have (3) 2nd round picks (early, middle and late) then (2) 3rd rounders.

    RD#2 (early) Aiyuk or Raegor (WR) Elite talents who could be instant impact guys at WR and Special teams. Given the depth of the draft one could possible be there at the start of Rd#1

    Rd#2 (middle) Raekwon Davis (DT) I think he falls given production drop off etc. Still like his upside. Should be an elite run defender with length at a minimum. Trade up to get him in Rd #2

    Rd#2 (late) Trade for OJ Howard. I just don’t see a truly impact TE in this draft class unless Bryant from Wash tests well. At the combine. Get Howard and team him with Dissly to give the Hawks the best young TE duo in the league. If the Hawks sign Hooper then use this pick for a Center to replace Britt to pay for Hoopers deal (Cushenberry or Harris)

    Rd#3 Logan Stenberg (G/ Kentucky) Comes into compete with Haynes for the LG spots. An athletic LB could be an option here as well.

    Rd#3 Anthony McFarland (RB) I think Carson will be back but McFarland has the chance to be a stud in case there are lingering issues or contract problems with Carson down the road.

    • GoHawksDani

      I like the players, but I would rather get Hooper and draft a C (or restructure the contract of Britt and maybe KJ’s too) than trade for Howard. Not sure Sternberg will still be in at R3. If he has a really strong combine I could even see him at the absolute end of R1 (25-32), but even with a good/solid combine I think he can be a mid R2.
      But I would absolutely love to have Stenberg, McFarland, a baller vet TE, a good DT with upside and a quick WR with potential

  39. Seahawkwalt

    Go Hawks! Thank you Rob for all the fantastic blogs!
    Where do you think James Lynch and Clay Johnson will fall and do you think they’re good fits?
    What kind of salary do you think Jordan Phillips will command?

    • Rob Staton (Post author)

      I’ve not studied Lynch and Johnson, apologies. Phillips I think is a tough one to project. Could imagine a decent salary but could also imagine he’s a second wave signing on a prove-it deal.

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