Kenny Pickett is having a strong season for Pittsburgh
As the world continues to look in desperation for draftable quarterbacks for 2022, Pittsburgh’s Kenny Pickett is coming into focus.
He’s being talked up as a potential Heisman candidate with 23 touchdowns and just one interception for the season. He’s added another three rushing touchdowns and his completion percentage is 68.9%.
Pickett is doing what all prospective draftable QB’s need to do — elevate their teams. Pitt are 6-1 after handling Clemson on Saturday. Their only loss was a 44-41 shoot-out to Western Michigan (where they turned the ball over carelessly with botched snaps, fumbles and a poorly thrown pick). They may well rue that avoidable loss given they’ve also turned over Tennessee, Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech.
So how good is Pickett?
I’ve no doubt we’ll see the internet mock drafts propelling him way above his station. Draft pundits are struggling with this class. There’s a dearth of clear first round prospects. Anyone being asked to produce a mock draft will be having a hard time.
You might say mock drafts are always futile and reactionary. Some are. Yet this draft class is proving harder than ever to project because the clear ‘top’ players simply aren’t there.
Let’s get one thing straight. Pickett is not a first round prospect.
But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have plenty of positive aspects and skills that will be intriguing to NFL teams.
For starters he’s a much better athlete than people probably realise. He’s well sized at 6-3 and 220lbs and while he scrambles around and has made some athletic moves to extend plays and improvise — he looks like more of a traditional pocket passer in terms of stature.
Where his athleticism shows up is in quick, subtle movements within the pocket to escape pressure. He ran a 4.25 short shuttle at SPARQ and jumped a 36 inch vertical. So while his forty time was so-so (4.77) it’s that ability to dodge interior or edge pressure, step up into the pocket or even break contain that makes him a threat to throw on the run or make modest gains as a runner.
He’s not going to be a big threat with his legs. Neither is he going to be a crazy improv specialist. I think a good comparison athletically is Joe Burrow. He’s not a sloth despite being well sized and he can keep things alive just enough to make throws when others would be sacked. He will make a few first downs on the run. He also has the ability to uncork on the move — showing good core strength.
Unfortunately this positive also combines with one of the big negatives with Pickett.
He’s extremely busy in the pocket. Too often when he feels outside pressure he does well initially to step up. However, he just keeps going — too often stepping into the focus of a linebacker and creating unnecessary pressure. He needs to be able to step up and then settle down, allowing plays to develop and taking what’s on offer.
The other thing you see is his footwork at times is frustrating. He drifts to the left or right on his drop too often, making throws harder than they need to be. His actual footwork is fine and there are no major issues with his throwing motion or release. Ideally though you want to see a very fluid movement as you drop, set and throw — with your shoulder pointed in the direction you eventually throw.
This is something a lot of quarterbacks need to work on when reaching the NFL and Pickett is no different. If he’s veering off to the right too often he’ll narrow the range where he can throw and reduce the field without the defense needing to do anything. With his agility and arm strength he needs to work on that drop, keep himself from drifting too much when he’s not designed to be on the move and give himself the best possible opportunity to go through progressions.
The fine details matter in the NFL. Unless you have the freakish physical skills to be such a difference maker (as many of the leagues top QB’s are at the moment) — you’re going to need to be pretty precise with your technique and play on time and in the right way.
There are times where he throws into situations where you’re left wondering what he’s thinking. There was one play against Georgia Tech this year where he tried to dump it off to a blanket-covered running back and nearly gave up a pick six. Last year he had heaves into coverage that were more or less hit and hope.
He’s tidied some of that up but the difference between Burrow and Pickett (and thus, being a #1 pick and not being a first rounder) is Burrow was consistently elite with his accuracy and ball placement and just had a knack of not making bad decisions, executing at a relentless pace and having an obscene plus vs minus play sheet.
That said, Pickett throws nicely downfield and can mix things up with touch when needed. He can drive the ball into difficult areas. There’s one throw against Western Michigan where he looks off the safety to open up the seam for the tight end and delivers a perfect throw for a touchdown. You see some very pretty passes on tape. Teams will like that he’s stuck it out in college and showed tangible progression as a player.
If he can work on his technical issues and continue to avoid turnovers, he will see his stock keep rising. He will be invited to the Senior Bowl for sure and it could be an opportunity to make a big impression.
I’m not sure, though, how the league will feel about his preference to throw in gloves.
I think he has the potential to be a third round pick and could rise up to round two based on what happens over the next few weeks. Especially in this desperate class.
Other notes from this weekend:
— Cincy’s running back Jerome Ford is just such an exciting blend of explosive talent, size and speed. He’s a potential game-breaker and he showed that again on Saturday.
— Jameson Williams (WR, Alabama) continues to make plays. He’s not the biggest or the fastest receiver but he creates separation, competes well for the ball and he has a serious nature to him that I like. There’s definitely something here.
— Pass protection matters at running back for the next level. UCLA’s Zach Charbonnet showed against Oregon some impressive blocking skills. Alabama’s Brian Robinson did not. Robinson has major work to do in pass pro and it’ll limit his stock — even as he impresses with his speed and ability to break tackles.
— Derrick Deese Jr (TE, San Jose State) continues to make plays. I’m intrigued to see how he tests because his production, consistency and reliability as a pass-catcher is very impressive. He’s also well sized. An exciting player.
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Did you see any of the Syracusr QB yesterday? Apparently he has been playing well, but overshadowed by RB Sean Tucker who set some records yesterday.
Fun draft factoid: Derrick Henry, RB was drafted in the #45 spot of 2016.That is after winning a Heisman trophy when he played for Alabama. He is currently on a 4 year 50 million dollar contact.
Seahawks 2016 draft:
#1: OL Germain Ifedi, Texas A&M. Round 1, Pick 31. …
#2: DT Jarran Reed, Alabama, Round 2, Pick 49
#3: RB C.J. Prosise, Notre Dame. Round 3, Pick 90. …
#4: TE Nick Vannett, Ohio Stat, Round 3, Pick 94.
#5: OL Rees Odhiambo, Boise State. Round 3, Pick 97. …
#6: DT Quinton Jefferson, Maryland, Round 5, Pick 147
#7: RB Alex Collins, Arkansas. Round 5, Pick 171
#8: C Joey Hunt
#9: WR Ken Lawler
#10 RB Zac Brooks
I thought I was going to say that the Seahawks could have picked Derrick Henry, but then they wouldn’t have picked Ifedi and he was needed to protect Russell Wilson. Overall, the Seahawks made some good choices in 2016 and turned half their choices into starters. Perhaps it was their last great draft?
In hindsight though – they should have made Henry their first pick in 2016. I would say that not only because he is a giant bull of a running back that had already won the Heisman trophy, but also because Pete Carroll was still trying to establish a strong running game, and it would have taken a lot of pressure off Russell Wilson.
I’m not so sure. A bit of revisionist history going on there Alaska.
First off, Derrick Henry isn’t the sole reason Derrick Henry is awesome.
The Titans had very recently spent high first round picks on Jack Conklin and Taylor Lewan and had signed Ben Jones to a nice free agent deal.
They had a process going before Henry came and in his early years built to make him successful.
The Seahawks’ OL was a mess. It’s really hard to second guess taking a massive tackle at the very bottom of round one in Ifedi (or trading up for a powerful inside player in Jarran Reed for that matter).
Not revisionist at all. If you have a bad habit going into the dradft with major question marks unresolved, you are forced to draft to need, not talent.
At OT, Shell and Vaitai went as late mid-rounders that season. Ifedi above all was a massive reach.
Ifedi wasn’t a massive reach in the late first.
He was touted as such throughout the process and had a very impressive physical profile and good tape against key opponents (eg Alabama)
From NFL.com
“I think he should have gone back (to school). I like the talent, but he didn’t put it together like I needed to see to give him a first two-round grade. I see him as a guard and not a tackle.” — NFC area scout
So what?
You’re really going to pull out what one person says as a counter?
Ifedi went were he was generally expected to go. That’s just a fact.
There were lots of pundits saying he needs to move inside, that his footwork is lousy, his handwork even worse and that he tends to lean into defenders, which will translate into penalties on NFL level.
I am urged to combine these data points with his frustrating play at RT, over three seasons.
So, while the fact, that another bunch of experts vastly overpaid on Ifedi is true, the ultimate result is not debatable.
And still, none of this matters.
The whole argument here is that Ifedi went where he was expected to go. That is a fact.
It doesn’t matter if some pundits highlighted issues. Or whether you think others ‘vastly overrated’ Ifedi.
As someone who covered that draft in great detail — throughout the 2015 college season and the 2016 draft process, Ifedi was expected to go in the range he went.
That is inarguable.
It wasn’t a shock when they made that pick (I myself mocked Ifedi to Seattle in that range).
You are mixing your own personal displeasure with the pick (and/or the outcome of the pick) with the reality of where he was expected to go. These are two different arguments.
I had no problem with the player or the pick at that time. I regarded it a bit rich; to me, he was the typical Seahawks overpay, but there was a chance it could have worked out.
But the red lights for a career at OT were clearly visible.
To call this simple fact out as “revisionist history” is revisionist history.
Why are you unable to grasp this?
Again, none of what you’ve written is relevant.
You seem to be reviewing the pick. That was NEVER the point.
Ifedi went in the range he was expected to go. That’s it. And that is inarguable.
No idea why you’ve twisted yourself in circles trying to argue so many other things.
I like Ifedi and thought the Seahawks got good use out of him. Apparently they weren’t willing to extend his contract. I hate to compare Ifedi to Henry but with only one shot at first round greatness I guess I have to.
I can see how the Seahawks were drafting for both sides of the line with 6 linemen picks. And they shot gun drafted to find a running back with three picks. I think this is after Rawson went down with a broken ankle (what an exciting runner). They were trying to improve in ways that many of us desire to this day specifically on developing a better line.
It’s interesting they didn’t pick any safeties or corners or linebackers. They just didn’t see it as being their biggest need.
I would question the drafting decision in the context of why you would pick three running backs instead of Henry. Prosise was a good running back in college, as was Collins. But injuries have made these picks not so good. In general I think good blocking will make the average running backs look good. But when is the last time we could brag about the Seahawks blocking?
Alabama’s Soph. LB-Will Anderson, Jr. 6-4/243 – has a strong season so far. 8 games, 53-Tkls.,16.5-TFL’s, 8.5 sacks, 1-PBU, 4-QBH’s. = A disruptive pass rusher to keep an eye on in the future?
Anderson is a great player. Devin Lloyd from Utah also having a great year. 68 tackles, 13 TFLs, 5 sacks. Good coverage this year too
Tennessee is killing KC. Love to see it!
Love when you do these type of player breakdowns Rob. Great stuff!
Watfching KC vs Ten today it reinforces at take I have been going on about for years and normally get killed for.
When team have an elite QB and have to pay him top of the market $ it guarantees two things.
1) They will always be a good competitive team because of the QB
2) They have next to zero chance of winning a SB. Team that pay their QB 20% of the cap or more have zero chance of winning a Super Bowl. That is not a hot take it is a fact historically. Think about Rodgers, Wilson and now Mahomes. All won Super Bowls early and people predicted many more for each. Then as soon as they got thier well deserved monster deals the teams become good but not great and both Wilson and Rodgers still have just one. Mahomes and the Chiefs look like the next team to fall into this rut.
Brady has been the one exception and he has always been the most willing star QB to take less $ or re-work his deal to add talent around him.
FYI-
Patrick Mahomes is 4% of KC’s salary cap this year.
16.9% of the cap next year
20.8% of the cap the year after that
I think it’s roster construction, they went with rookies on OL, their secondary looks almost as bad as ours and they have a couple of injuries that matter. The problem there isn’t how much they pay Mahomes.
The Chiefs are trotting out an all-star team on offense
And they’ve retained all their well paid players on defense
The reason they’re messing things up this year has nothing to do with Mahomes’ contract
The NFL is really hard to win. Belichick & Brady have dominated for so long and are such a huge outlier that they throw off the expectations & standards for everyone else.
Active QB’s besides Brady with multiple SB wins: Ben
Active coaches besides BB with multiple SB wins: None
The Chiefs have been much worse than everyone expected and there is plenty of time for Maholmes, but it doesn’t look like it’s their year.
That’s an amazing stat. Really.
Mac Jones in Shanahan’s offense would’ve been scary
Three cheers for the Niners
I think back to how the Seahawks would be different had they drafted TJ Watt over ATV. I have a feeling the 49ers are going to regret not taking Jones over Lance – if not moreso considering they traded up for him to. More like a Jamal Worthessdams trade. At least we have that going for us, since Carroll and Schneider don’t allow us any nice things anymore.
I really thought they traded up for Matt Jones. You are right Rob it would have been a nightmare for the Hawks.
I also feared Mac Jones in a 49’ers uniform. Shanahan blew this one, lucky for us, and I don’t see Lance ever becoming an effective starter – for any team. Extremely impressed by Mac, seems to me that most national media is downplaying his success – founded on poise, accuracy, and brains. Meanwhile, Darnold’s flaming out, as I expected. Minshew – with what I would assert is a truly remarkable 37/11 TD ratio, especially given he played behind poor offensive lines, and had few weapons – should be of interest to several teams as a starter now or later this season. If you have GAMEPASS, check out the first game last season against North Carolina – Jacksonville’s only win, led by a QB who showed an accurate arm, poise and escapability. At the very least, he hasn’t he can’t be an effective starter somewhere. Why play Bridgewater, Darnold, or Jimmy G in lieu of Minshew (beyond the obvious, which he isn’t signed by those teams.). If my query seems addled, as it will to some – then please help me understand why the 37/11 ratio doesn’t really mean much. I’ve watched all of Minshew’s WSU college games, on TV, as well as all of his Jaguar games on Gamepass. It’s true I watched Minshew because I generally am a fan of the Cougars, so there’s that disclosed. I don’t think it’s affecting my positive views of Minshew’s potential. If, God forbid, Russ leaves Seattle, I’d want Pete’s successor or new GM to take a close look at Minshew. Rob, if you have a thought or info concerning Minshew, general or something specific, I’d be most interested, and of course I welcome any thoughts – pro or con – from the good members of this Board.
* At the very least, he hasn’t PROVEN he can’t be effective …
I like Pickett quite a bit; but he’s definitely a poor man’s Joe Burrow. He would be a perfect QB for the LOB Seahawks…but alas, that doesn’t exist.
Burrow to Chase is fun to watch
Bengals have drafted and signed well and they are reaping the rewards
They are trending up, lots of energy on the field as well. The saint DE from last year was a great signing
I was asking for CBS to switch me from KC v. Tenn to Cincy v. Baltimore a half hour ago (which they just now finally did). I’m not sure I ever uttered the words “I wish they’d switch over to the Bengals game”.
And the game is in Baltimore no less.
Bonus!! Kevin Harlan doing play by play
Agreed, the bengals are a fun team to watch
I know there was a lot of criticism with Chase over Sewell but that was like a True or False question where both answers would be graded correctly.
Yeah, that was a coin flip to me, even though Chase has clearly and significantly outperformed Sewell so far. Hmm…let me see…give Burrow a super weapon or a super defender?
For me the thing that made it a total no-brainer was the fact Burrow and Chase had amazing chemistry at LSU.
It was the obvious pick — and one that was very easy to project.
Yeah, there was certainly that.
Yeah I admit I thought they should go Sewell and from all reports he’s played very well too. But Chase has panned out extremely well too.
Burrow – Mixon – Chase might be as good a skill position trio as there is the league. Certainly will be in a year or two.
KC starting off 3-4 certainly wasn’t on my list of probabilities. It’s a little bit fluky, a weird confluence of things. The playing of more games the past few years, the SB loss, some key injuries, teams gunning for them…they still could easily be 5-2. They might right the ship still.
Something that has struck me lately is the amount of teams in the AFC with real talented young QBs. Chargers/Herbert, KC/Mahomes, Buffalo/Allen, Bengals/Burrow, Ravens/Jackson, Jaguars/Lawrence…that’s a pretty impressive A-list, and doesn’t even include guys like Mayfield, Watson, and Wilson.
It’s hard to win in the AFC.
KC had a real opportunity at a mini dynasty, but as Seattle learned post-SB 49, you better strike while the iron is hot because the teams behind you are hot on your trail and coming up fast.
Unless you’re Tom Brady, you’re in a pretty wide breadth of franchises that can rise and fall season to season.
It’s part of what makes this league so fun to watch; regardless of how the Seahawks are doing.
That’s the truth. It’s so hard to successfully swim upstream as a true title contender in any kind of a sustained manner in the NFL these days. The draft, the CAP, FAcy, injuries, the shortness of careers, etc.., so many things working against you. It’s amazing how many things you have to get consistently right, and even then you need some luck.
Twitter has been harping on about Justin Fields & Trey Lance.
They just aren’t as good as people think.
And with Sam Darnold being benched for someone named PJ Walker, Russ’ leverage growing by the minute.
I don’t know how Fields will turn out in the end, but the guy looks completely overwhelmed now. They might be doing him a disservice playing him too soon.
He is, and always has been, a player with impressive physical talent.
Technique, decision making, turnovers, accuracy — all the things you need to make the most of that talent at the next level? Missing.
Another pick. Fields has so many issues. As we talked about pre-draft.
Five turnovers and sat on the sideline like he doesn’t GAF.
Pace takes Trubinsky over Mahomes/Watson and then takes Fields over Jones. His about to be fired career would have turned out so differently if he could evaluate QBs.
Yet some Seahawks fans think having a franchise QB doesn’t matter.
And so often the same people warning against a return to the 80’s are the same people having their heads turned because a Wilson trade scenario is showing them a bit of ankle.
The people who want to move Wilson to ‘rebuild’ want us to become the Eagles, Broncos, WFT etc.
I’m not advocating at all trading Russ. For the sake of argument though. There is something to be said about the qbs (Brady, Manning excepted) winning early in their careers and then not winning again. It’s certainly not a policy to operate and build a team by. Wilson wins year two, flacco on his rookie contract, Rodgers won in year 3 of starting, Roethlisberger won early, Mahomes won in year 3, Brees in his 4th year with the Saints. Then they become great in a stratosphere few achieve with bragging rights and standing we can only imagine. It just gets to a point that contract is very high, reputation & achievement is very high, but super bowls are a thing of the past, and a certain status quo is maintained. How to win again!?
Personally, I believe they should build around Russ a powerful running game with a strong offensive line and a strong defensive line. I know I’m not alone in having this view.
But it’s so easy to counter this submanjoe.
— Rodgers has been to MULTIPLE NFC Championship games. And look at the kind of things that have kept him from the SB. The chaos in 2014. Brees likewise was in the mix for years before retiring and look what stopped the Saints. The miracle in Minnesota, the blown DPI call vs the Rams, other examples of playoff heartache. People love to harp on about these players ‘winning once and never doing it again’ like they drifted into obscurity. No! They were leading contenders for YEARS and didn’t get back to the SB through sheer crazy misfortune.
— It’s OK saying Mahomes ‘won early’ etc etc. The point is good QB’s give you the best chance to win. There are the have’s and have nots in this league. The Chiefs are not struggling now because Mahomes’ contract kicks in next year. Something has gone wrong there this season and it’s nothing to do with money. The Bills are good because Josh Allen is a BAMF freak of nature. The Packers are good because they’ve got Rodgers. The Cardinals are good because they have Kyler. Etc etc etc.
I think people forget sometimes that only one team can win the SB and only two make it every year. It’s really hard!
But for some reason people have decided that you’re better off getting rid of a franchise QB to take shots at having a 3-4 year window with a rookie which is so incredibly hard to find. Good young QB’s giving you years of club control are like bloody gold dust. People act like it’s a choice — expensive great QB or cheap great QB. It ain’t. The real choice is ‘Seahawks with Wilson’ or ‘being like the Broncos’.
If there was a great QB class coming up and you were guaranteed the #1 pick I could sympathise with such a plan. But the Seahawks don’t have the #1 pick and there’s no good young CFB QB on the horizon.
You don’t think the Seahawks would be better off with Aaron Curry, Koren Robinson, and Lawrence Jackson than Wilson? Those guys are 3 first round picks! The team would have so much leftover money, they could afford another Jamal Adams, could give Teddy Bridgewater $20 million or Andy Dalton $10 million, and then they’d be stacked!
I was born and raised in Chicago and became a precocious sports fan at a very young age largely because of WGN television and radio. There was no local sports station like this in the nation way way back in the day. Nothing close. We got every single Cubs, Bears, Blackhawks, and Bulls game on the radio, almost every home and away Cubs game on TV, almost every single Bears, Blackhawks, and Bulls away game on the TV as well as many home games.
Anyway, I digress. The Bears NEVER had a franchise QB from me being a very young kid and sports fan and well into my adulthood, before I became a permanent resident of the Seattle area and slowly switched my allegiances as a sports fan.
It sucks not having a franchise QB, or at least a QB good enough to win it all if the rest of the team was great. If the 80’s Bears’ team had had a healthy franchise QB…3 Super Bowls pretty much in the bag.
I had QB envy like you wouldn’t believe. If we only had a Staubach, a Stabler, a Bradshaw, a Marino, an Elway…why can’t we have one of these? Even today the Bears are still looking for one, and it’s pretty much a decades long running joke in Chicago.
Once again…
There is no debate if having a franchise QB is better than not. It is, especially, if that QB is RW, a first-ballot HoFer.
At the same time, this is also not the question we face.
RW decides, what is best for RW. Continuing to win nothing in Seattle is not one of those things. F***, last off season, he literally pulled an “Earl Thomas”, and laid down his preferred trade targets. How can we continue to ignore this?
But we do. New HC, and everything will get better.
My problem starts exactly here… I simply cannot see a path how this franchise can be turned around. Please describe how this leaderless, risk adverse org can pick and install a new HC. Even if there is a change, there is a 50:50 chance of further alienating said QB. Will RW even accept such a risk?
So, wake me, when the new HC is installed, the FO refurbished and the scouting department fired.
If RW is still hanging around, fine. If not… then we will be crap for couple of years, until the next franchise QB comes in.
This is just completely defeatist, sky is falling claptrap McZ.
Look, I’ve been as critical as anyone about this franchise over the last two years and justifiably so.
But this idea that people ‘can’t see a pathway to turn this around’. Teams get turned around all the time. Even really hopeless, useless franchises who refuse to spend money and treat their teams like a family baking business.
We don’t need to indulge in this armageddon style thinking. Change is needed, absolutely. But writing off that change before it’s even bloody happened? Come on.
https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-qb-deshaun-watson-among-big-names-being-discussed-as-trade-deadline-looms
It’s nice of the Seahawks to help Ian with his article and it’s nice of Ian to try and help create a market.
I can’t wait to get a conditional 2023 7th rounder for our “breakout star” (TM: Good Morning Football).
I’m more down with the article title implying Collier is a ‘big name’.
Also the fact that a team seeking pass rush help would be calling a bottom-5 pass rush team about a player who can’t even get on the field.
Just a terribly unfortunate pick.
I’m still completely stunned by their approach to the 2019 draft.
Seemed to bizarrely assume their guys would last on the DL. They didn’t. Then they traded down and lost the other guy(s) they wanted.
Then left picking a guy and trading down with their two picks and looking absolutely miserable in the press conference after.
The sign of a franchise losing its way. And they’ve not stopped losing it since.
In a long list of awful drafts in recent years 2019 has to go down as the worst considering the capital they had and picks they could have made.
It’s almost like you could have an expensive QB if between 2017-2019 you could have turned 30 odd draft picks into something more than a great Wr, a good punter, a declining rb…..and a bunch of JAG’s and players that if they were any good weren’t playing on other teams
I think he’s the worst of our bad picks to be honest.
Penny has proven to be ill advised; but I’ve seen enough here and there (or at least that one stretch last year before he got hurt) to think he has ability; Collier has never ever flashed anything resembling 1st round talent (or 2nd round really).
Both picks have been equally disastrous
Remember when Saquan Barkley was the only RB off the board in that draft and Nick Chubb was available? Pepperidge Farms remembers
I never knew Collier and “edge rusher” went together.
We may look to trade but I’m afraid we’ll end up with the same result as with Flowers, no offer and a cut.
Why not play him? The Dline has been crap anyways, heaven forbid we play Collier instead of Hyder. Let’s instead put some junk story out like this and completely burn our bridge with the guy and further undermine our credibility as a desirable place to play. Who cares about Collier.
I predict we trade him for a ham sandwich and a used kicking tee.
They’d probably barter us out of the kicking tee
Sad but true 🙁
L.J. Collier and a set of underinflated Brady balls for Deshaun Watson.
Haven’t watched much of the Cards this year. Obviously, Murray is one of the hardest guys to defend in the league, and the skill positions on offense seem improved.
But is their defense significantly better too? Is it Watt, and some other pieces? Or more that their offense is putting so much pressure on the other team, it’s forcing them out of their game?
Regardless of who they’ve played, 7-0 is impressive.
Well coached defense. Got enough stars, mixed in with some vets who are delivering high value.
A well constructed team.
AZ vs. Green Bay Thursday night. Should be a beauty (if any Thursday night game can be).
Why is there a National Tight Ends Day, why does the NFL keep reminding us of it, and why is there no holiday for any other position?
You guys mentioned Justin Fields before, and it is quite startling to see how much all these rookie QBs are struggling. Wilson had the worst passer rating in the league as a starter before today (62.9) followed by Fields (67.4) Mills (73.4) and Lawrence (75.5). I expect that rookie QBs will struggle, but damn! Those four have about 30 INTs between them
Mac Jones on the other hand is getting over that learning curve quite quickly. He’s been the best of the bunch by a landslide.
It’s interesting that the 49ers are just about a mess as the Seahawks after all three numbers one draft picks for Trey Lance doesn’t look so good so far. The niners losing to colts at home is a bad loss.
It’s painful to watch Taylor become one of the more explosive young RBs in the league after he practically begged to be a Seahawk.
I wonder if they’d do Carson and a 3rd for him.
I think Russ begged for him to come to Seattle too. Regardless, hey, Rashad Penney dontcha know.
Russ liked a tweet I posted, which was a video of Taylor dropping hints about wanting to be drafted by the Seahawks
I know Russ likes a lot of tweets… but still.
But they had to draft Jordyn Brooks with his 49.4 PFF grade instead.
Queen ballin in Baltimore!!!!
Not even a little bit. Queen has been consistently FAR worse than Brooks.
Queen 29.7 PFF grade in 2020, 35.4 in 2021 (incredible how consistently bad that is).
PC’s comment on Clay Mathews emergence in the NFL. (” I didn’t see that coming”) He rotated him in and out at various spots at USC. Don’t think he knew quite knew how to use him. Hmm makes you wonder? can he really evaluate talent?
On Alvin Kamara in 2019…
“I didn’t realise he was that explosive”
Geeeeeeeez
There could be a folder/article, with all of the weirdo stuff Pete says. The stuff after that Buffalo loss, the ‘master’s class’ for Russ and Bobby, just….it sounds so fried.
The comment that he made in the last few weeks, that keeps me up at night, was something like ‘the story of this season will take months to tell and evaluate’ (loose paraphrase here). The comment felt like seed planting for a narrative on why he should be able to continue to run the organization. I hated it. The whole situation has grown stale. JA is a bust, for us, and I don’t particularly like him, but a huge part of this is the lack of coaching ideas. From identifying the preferred identity, to acquiring talent to fit that vision, to coaching up players to succeed in a system that embodies the stated principles….it’s just all off.
I’m in a weird place as a fan, I’m really close to hoping we get blown out so that this can all be started over. Unfortunately I do not see Pete leaving on his own accord: ‘it will take months to tell the story….’
What is even more frustrating is that Rob has laid out a clear, general plan, that one could see being a reasonable path towards some success.
As always thanks to the contributors, and Rob for the thoughts and ideas
I have always thought PC likes to say those stupid things post-game to take some heat off the players.
That ‘leader of men’ / ‘it’s always his fault’ kind of thing.
Sure rings hollow when he deflects blame about big things though – like the RW shenanigans being a media creation.
Thank you 👏🏻
Trade them back Philip Dorsett
Rob – I only watch highlights/snippets of college football, but among the quarterbacks Sam Hartman at Wake Forest seems to be improving. Last season cut down on interceptions and this year has looked harder to sack. Have you seen anything of him that catches the eye, either positives or negatives?
I’ve not had a chance to watch him yet but I will do
Rob did OT Carter Warren stand out at all when you were watching Pickett?
They swung him between LT and RT vs Clemson. I’m not sure why.
6’5″ 315 and he will have 3 years of starter experience come draft day.
I didn’t focus on him to be honest, didn’t notice him enough to comment
I was thinking about these rookie QB and you know Bill Belichick is a pretty smart guy . looks at the board and looks at the teams ahead of him doesn’t trade future draft picks and let’s Mac Jones fall in his lap at 15.
Watching the 5th quarter last night, I thought Walter Jones had a nice moment.
They were talking about Jamal Adams’ face doink and Paul Silvi started deflecting hard to ‘yeah we all criticize Jamal but in the moment it must be hard to make that play when you’re focused on defending the receiver and all of the sudden you’ve got a ball coming at you.’ Even took a mild shot at ‘blogs out there’ criticizing Jamal Adams.
Walter diplomatically shut him down. ‘Doesn’t matter, you gotta make that play. That’s what they acquired you for and paid you so much, to make game-changing plays.’
So odd to me that the local truth-tellers in media are former players like Walter and Brock, and the media types are the ones making all the excuses for poor play.
Big Walt giving me yet another reason to have him at #1 on my all-time favorite Seahawks list.
That’s because for some reason local media types automatically fall back on defending the team and players.
It’s not just a Seattle thing, you see it everywhere.
And ‘some blogs’ are doing a far better job than Paul Silvi ever will of analysing this team.
Rob, what are the rules on draft eligibility with regard to the blanket extension of NCAA eligibility granted due to covid? There is a WR from UTEP that didn’t red shirt and is in his third year but is still listed as a sophomore. He’s one to watch when he’s draft eligible.
His name is Jacob Cowing.
So long…
I’d rather see Curhan play his snaps, maybe we develop a rookie into a starter.
Well look who Jim just posted about…
https://mobile.twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1452631973273481224
2021 Trade Deadline Seahawks Primer
With the trade deadline quickly approaching (Tuesday Nov 2 at 4pm ET), the Seahawks are in a tough spot. At 2-4 they could be either buyers or sellers. With pressure on Pete Carroll mounting and potential seismic changes coming in 2022, how the team performs tonight against the Saints will be critical to the decision-making process.
Let’s take a look at the basics of where they stand as an organization in 2021 and 2022.
Current Cap Room
They have about $12.3 million of 2021 cap room according to OverTheCap. Keeping a safety net of about $2-3 million for injury replacement players, we can call that about $9-10.3 million of spendable cap space for new acquisitions.
They could decide to just roll that money into 2022.
2022 Cap Room
The team has 37 contracted players for 2022.
However, in truth they only have 32 ‘actual’ contracted players, as 5 of those players are zombie contracts from void years to help with the 2021 cap COVID situation (they take up $5.875 million cap for 2022).
They currently have $53.4 million of cap room available in 2022.
They have $42.5 million of effective space (that assumes they fill the other 19 spots with minimum-salary players)
The team should account for about $8 million of injury salaries and a little extra money over and above the minimum to account for their 2022 rookie class salaries and some other signing bonus money (like the $137k for Aldon Smith this summer).
So, call it approximately $32.5 million of spendable cap money.
They can open up about $8.5 million of room if they convert the max $17 million of Russell Wilson’s 2022 salary to bonus.
They have an additional $16.6 million of cap room available that is non-guaranteed on Bobby Wagner’s contract.
As said above they could roll any leftover cap space from 2021 into 2022.
DK Metcalf costs $1.46 million against the 2022 cap and will be in the last year of his rookie deal. It is wise to set about $5-7 million of 2022 room aside to get a head start on absorbing some of the impact of his next contract.
2022 Position Needs
-LT and RT
Brown and Shell are free agents and need to be replaced or resigned. Unless you have a mountain of faith in Stone Forsythe and Jake Curhan as potential starters. You shouldn’t.
-Outside CB
Here we go again. Tre Brown is the only outside corner under contract. DJ Reed and Sidney Jones are UFA’s in 2022.
-Center
No players currently contracted for 2022, unless you want to consider Damien Lewis a potential center. You do not.
-TE
Colby Parkinson is the only tight end under contract.
-FS
Quandre Diggs is a free agent. Ugo Amadi and Marquise Blair are still under contract.
Future Draft Picks
2022 Total Available: 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 7th
2022 Acquired Picks: NY Jets’ 4th (Jamal Adams trade)
2022 Traded Picks: 1st (to NY Jets in Adams trade), 6th (to Jacksonville in Sidney Jones trade)
2022 Comp Picks Projection: None projected.
2023 Pick adjustments: Just one – they picked up Pittsburgh’s 5th round pick for Akhello Witherspoon. They have all their native 2023 picks at this point.
2021 Need Priorities
-A new Defensive Coordinator
-More pass rush, particularly from the interior
-An established or promising outside CB or OT contracted beyond 2021 should be considered
-Another TE or WR weapon for Russ should always be on the shopping list
-A healthy running back
Conclusions
The Seahawks are at a serious crossroads heading into the trade deadline.
The game tonight is winnable, but they must decisions very quickly about the balance of this season. They face Jacksonville next week and then have a bye.
Is there faith they can get the defense put together and get Russell Wilson healthy enough during that bye to go to Green Bay and challenge them? And then come home to a hot Arizona team and challenge them as well?
Pete Carroll talked about ‘postponing what the story is going to be’ in the midst of a two-game slump that dropped them to 2-4.
The problem is, the Seahawks can no longer postpone the story to see how things work out. Seeing how the next two games go, and then assessing whether they should make further moves to either strengthen the roster or build up draft stock for 2022 is a luxury they do not have. The trade deadline is one week from today.
They have a week to make some important decisions about the future of this franchise.
Which way will they go?
I don’t know.
But it won’t be boring, I can promise you that.
Excellent breakdown of the current situation cha. Thank you for this. To me another need priority is C, especially in this division (Donald).
Personally I have little faith in a win tonight and no faith against GB or AZ, even with Russ back. Jax is a 50/50 for me.
Agreed on all counts.
Positives: They have a franchise QB. They have a good WR unit.
Negatives: The rest of the roster is basically crap. Sure, Bobby Wagner is still a stud but the LB unit is basically trash. The contracted DBs for 2022 are basically trash. The contracted DTs for 2022 are basically trash. There’s some potential at EDGE for 2022 but there’s no depth. Can we rely on a unit that has to depend on Darrell Taylor to stay healthy? Um, no. That’s just the defense.
The RBs going into 2022 are basically trash. Same for TE. Same for every OL position minus Damien Lewis. Maybe they’ll actually play him where he’s best?
The negatives far outweigh the positives and the best way to turn things around is through the draft and yet here we are without a 1st round pick. Even though we have a second 4th round pick, there’s also no 6th round pick. We’re going into 2022 with a worse roster than most teams AND less draft picks than most teams.
Anybody have any good news?
Forgot – we do have a good punter. Yay, us! Happy days are here again!
I know a lot of people are down on Jason but I think he is a good kicker going through a rough patch, so I count him as a good kicker as well…but thank god we have the field changer Dickson!
Agree Tom. Unless he continues to struggle, I like the K position too.
Sorry to burst your bubble even more Bobby, but…
The problem there is Dickson isn’t having a very good season.
His yards per punt average is middle of the back, and net yards is bottom 10.
Oh, but that’s because PC is deploying him as a ‘pin them deep’ weapon instead of trusting his offense to gain 3 yards in enemy territory? Yes, he’s near the top with 14 punts inside the 20. But a league-leading 6 punts have been touchbacks.
And that’s because 1) he’s not precise enough this year and 2) the ST coverage unit isn’t as good as last year.
The two fourth downs in Steeler territory PC chicken out on? The Seahawks only gained about 20 yards each from Dickson’s punts.
Moving Forward, What Do The Seahawks Have That Will Give Us Hope?
QB: The is the most important and the Seahawks have a legit stud. This is why a less talented Seahawks team can regularly beat other teams more talented rosters (but not great rosters).
Grade Moving Forward: A-
RB: Carson is coming back, but is that a good thing? He makes more than he deserves and he’s always hurt. Should it worry us that a back nobody wants (Collins) and is going to be a FA is looking better than him? I like Homer because of his ST ability, but he’s not a good running RB, though I like him in the pass game and love him in pass pro.
Grade Moving Forward: D- or F
WR: A healthy Eskridge makes this a formidable trio of talented players. Lockett is a steady stud and DK affects defensive coordinators more than most WRs. This unit has potential. If Swain is your #5 WR, then you have an A type unit, but if he’s your #3 guy, then you’re nothing overly special.
Grade Moving Forward (healthy Eskridge): A-
Grade Moving Forward (concussion Eskridge): B-
TE: Parkinson. That’s it.
Grade Moving Forward: D
OL: Brown and Shell about to hit FA. Jackson overpaid and not worth his salary, never mind he’s at the age where his play is declining. No Center. Basically, it’s Damien Lewis playing out of position and the garbage crew.
Grade Moving Forward: D-
EDGE: Taylor and Robinson. Two promising players. No decent depth under contract except for the mighty LJ Collier.
Grade Moving Forward: D+
DT: Poona Ford is the only quality DT under contract moving forward and he’s nothing special. Was better last year in a contract year. He’ll be in a contract year again next year so we can expect a better year again next season.
Grade Moving Forward: F
OLB: Brooks and Cody Barton couldn’t cover themselves from a raindrop on a hot summer day in the Sahara, though at least Brooks doesn’t suck in the run game.
Grade Moving Forward: F
MLB: Bobby is still an “A” type player himself but when you factor his salary he’s more of a “B”. Nevertheless, I’ll give him an A- because he’s still playing at a high level and I won’t factor salary in.
Grade Moving Forward: A-
S: Blair the guy Alan dresses. Blair is injury prone and not always assignment sound and Alan’s sugar daddy is a bum.
Grade Moving Forward: D or F (depending on how you look at it – either way, not good).
CB: Brown has real potential to be a good solid football player. I thought Amadi would become something better than he has at nickel. There’s a gaping hole at CB opposite Brown and the depth after that is trash. The only reason I’m giving a passing grade is because I think Brown can be a really nice player.
Grade Moving Forward: D-
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I think they’re going to sit on their hands.
They’ve had ample opportunity to make moves and they still have $12.3m in effective cap space and they’ve done absolutely nada.
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They better not blow any future draft picks for help now. All their help is now would be to get a guy who can help them get to 9-8 instead of 7-10. Keep draft picks and do the best with what they have. When you don’t have your own #1 you certainly don’t want to tank either. We’re just stuck in relative worthlessness and there’s really nothing to do to get away from it at the moment.
I wish they could trade for a running back but there’s none I can think of they’d go after. But getting a head start and acquiring a running back and then signing a tackle and a center in the offseason… 🤷♂️
Remember when they got Beast Mode mid-season? They lucked into that one.
Remember how mad the Packers were at the Bills because they would have given more than the Seahawks did for him?
Seems another example where the Seahawks lucked into a situation (like soft NFL market for Bennett/Avril in one off-season) rather than outsmarted the competition. We’re seeing how “smart” they really are this last half-decade of deals. Not very. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.
https://www.seahawks.com/news/seahawks-activate-rb-rashaad-penny-from-ir-elevate-qb-jake-luton-from-practice-s
Luton practice squad elevation, Penny activated from IR and Ogbuehi cut.
I caught a headline that Seattle had “waived a former first round pick” and thought, it must be Collier.
The headline should’ve specified it wasn’t their former first round pick 😒
The saddest thing in both cha’s breakdown and BobbyK’s response is that both posts highlighted that both sides of the line of scrimmage, outside of Taylor and maybe Robinson, Ford and Lewis, is bereft of talent. That needs to be rectified ASAP. That needs to include trading the peacock for whatever you can get for him and saying goodbye to Bobby and using that money at the damned LOS where football games are won.
It’s amazing how their lines of scrimmage can be so horrible looking on the field and on paper. It’s like they need two 1st round picks so they can add one young buck to the LOS on each side of the ball just to try to get them back to being a middle of the road team in the trenches. But, alas, they don’t even have a single 1st round pick to help one of the two lines of scrimmage.
I remember being excited about game days. Now it’s just wondering how bad they’ll suck. And if they win, the reason is probably just because the other teams just sucks worse, not because we’re actually good.
Imagine staying up until 1:20am for kick off for the last three games…
I used to have a buzz around Primetime games. I’d be thinking about them all day.
Today I just spent the day thinking about other things. When the game popped into my head, I simply thought, ‘why the hell couldn’t this have been played at a normal time yesterday?’
I’m almost certain SNF Week 13 vs SF will be flexed out at this point.
Good
I know you stay up to watch and then follow up with your after game thoughts. Perhaps you just don’t bother with it tonight….or let Robbie do it solo tonight and you get some sleep!
Solo show on my own tonight!
I’m at the game, or I would volunteer so Rob could get a break.
Good excuse! Poor Rob though…let’s hope the Seahawks show up tonight.
Hang in there, Rob!
I’m so blase’ about the game the Mrs. asked me if I wanted to go out for dinner at 5:00. Let’s see, great seafood and a cold IPA or leftover pizza and the start of the Seahawks game? Not even a choice. I’ll pick it up when I get home.
But it will be on ESPN2 with the Manning Bros. You can’t miss their snarkyness! Enjoy your seafood, Big Man!
Marshawn and Drew are guests tonight, should be interesting!
Not excited even for the return of Penny!? 3 carries and a pulled hamstring
With this regime and the current roster situation how will they even attempt to be sellers
(my preference) before deadline? If PC/JS weren’t planning to continue on they would be recouping picks and gaining cap space for the next Coach/GM (again my preference) but don’t see happening.
YEAH BUT WE’VE GOT RASHAAD PENNY BACK!!!!
Anyone want to bet on whether or not he lasts the whole game? My guess is strained something in the 2nd quarter.
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Yeah, but did Pete say his week of practice has been????
That is always the ultimate indicator for if he will run for 1.7 YPC or 2.2.
I know it’s probably unfair of me to say, but when it comes to Penny, I truly wonder about his love for the game, his desire to improve, how much it’s killing him to get back on the field?
I guess we will find out if and when he signs a new contract ( preferably with a new team of course)
Just an FYI for folks that don’t live in the Northwest………….looks like it’s gonna be wet and blustery. Not as wild as the Frisco game last night but plenty stormy according to the forecast I saw.
And the Seahawks are playing the top tackle-breaker in the NFL.
Well that’s just great.
Penny Breaks tackles all night, goes for 200+, has” a little issue or tweak in the leg area” during the postgame TV interview. (per PC) and legally changes his first name to C.J. on his way back to IR
OR
Jameis gifts us a couple and the DB’s turn their heads around and make a play and we live another week.
If the pass rush generates some pressure, there’s a good chance Winston makes mistakes. IF…
Whether or not we capitalize is another matter.
I made the trip out for it. Not too bad. Chilly but not terrible
This team is so poorly constructed that they only have two total players who another team would give a No. 1 draft pick for (RW & DK). That includes a guy they gave up a pair of No. 1 picks (and more) to get about 14 months ago. How bad is that?
Would anyone else net even a 2nd round pick this upcoming year? I doubt Lockett would (age and salary). Same for Wagner. I don’t think Lewis would even with two cheap years remaining. Taylor probably wouldn’t with the injury concerns at the moment. It just shows how poor the team is. Even a No. 1 pick like Jordyn Brooks wouldn’t even come close to getting a pick like that. Sad.
Been offered tickets by 4 different people this weekend for tonight’s game. The fanbase is at the lowest I’ve seen since 2010. A couple more losses and we might hit that mora level of fun. I lost power today. Not even sweating missing it.
Geno Smith = not good
Inactive
Collier
D Taylor
Reid
Damien Lewis
Eason
Forsythe
Saints 42, Hawks 13
I miss the Tirico & Gruden MNF combo
Would be able to have a good OL to run behind on a night like tonight (weather). We have Fuller “anchoring” our OL. And a couple clowns next to him (one a has been and another one who’ll never be good enough to be a has been).
Would be NICE…
Wind or not.
Dickson can’t just keep booting it into the end zone.
Poor
Nothing like watching American sport at 1:24am to make you realise the big difference between our sports in Britain and yours is the never ending bloody ad breaks vs our continuous play
Anyone else just get Seneca Wallace to Koren Robinson 2008 vibes on that long touchdown?
I don’t think DK was THAT drunk.
Yee Haw, keep feeding the ball to Metcalf. They can’t stop him!
Quite a pretty pass by Geno.
Well you’ll all be pleased to hear I just won my fantasy matchup.
Did you just see the Polar Bear Club commercial??? We are freezing for a reason! As the members jump into a hole cut in the ice.
Good play DK
DK is bullying Lattimore, hopefully he keeps a cool head and doesn’t take it to far
I like low scoring games and I DNGAF what anyone says
Here in ‘merica we like lots of commercial and lots of scoring. 😏
And beer snakes.
I see we’ve abandoned the run again… a week after doing what we did in Pittsburgh… on a horrible night for weather… with Geno Smith at QB
Don’t worry, we’ll “adjust ” at halftime and run a lot in the 3rd quarter.
’cause we’re so proficient at half-time adjustments. Maybe we’ll start using tight ends too!
I wonder how that 433 yards per game given up compared to last years first half of the season? The defense didn’t solidify until the second half of the season.
It solidified beautifully… as soon as they started playing Colt McCoy, Dwayne Haskins, the winless Jets, C.J. Beathard etc.
Anyone else just see Jamal Adams get his arse kicked on that screen by a WR?
Damn…seemed like a pretty good play by Reed
Refs given them two first downs on this drive.
Just couldn’t quite make out the multiple false starts on 4th and short, huh?
That was a disgrace
It’s the Usual. I don’t even get mad, I just laugh. NFL is now the WWF…
Even when Jamal gets a free release into the backfield, he doesnt come close to the QB.
What was that attempted tackle there???
According to the announcer, he “just missed him”.
Typical Jamal Adams that
🤡
Despite that play from Bobby, Kamara is crazy
Running backs dont matter…until you have a great one. Then they matter a lot.
Officiating has been atrocious this drive. Twice, this drive should have already ended.
Brooks has made a couple of nice plays tonight
td if he didn’t swat that cause best in the nation was out of position
Adams got bailed out on that play by Brooks, Adam’s looks like a lost dog in coverage lmfao
$17.5m
Two firsts & a third
Aside from one play by Metcalf, the offense hasn’t done a single thing
They need to or they have no chance to win this game
Hmm so no consistency and no scoring besides a deep TD? How atypical
This offense is tragic
Penny is a waste of a roster spot. Flew higher vertically than the yards he gained.
He is absolutely useless
JS should be embarrassed
Uh….is Collins hurt why is Penny in the game this much.
Penny sure us looking like a guy ready to break out and justify his 1st round draft status.
Right out of the Hawks playbook … brilliant use of timeouts.
It’s scary how similar the Huskies and Seahawks look – just gross football.
offense is garbage…as usual.
Defense is in prevent mode.. giving 5-10 yards cushion, Winston just need to throw.
Sooo are they gonna be able to run the ball at all?
I like Rashaad Penny.
He seems like a decent person.
But why is he getting touches?
If Collins is hurting – has Dee Jay Dallas forgotten how to play running back?
4 carries for 2 yards. Stud
Do you see Russ playing anytime soon this season. If they lose 2 more games, Russ will just take it easy i guess
For Christ sake quit trying to make Penny a thing and make Collins the number one back this game!
Neal making a tackle Adam’s could only dream of making. Blows my mind that he doesn’t get more snaps
This didn’t age well haha!
It did not haha!
I hear you though!
WHERE IS THE PASS RUSH???
This IS the pass rush! It’s all the pass rush we got….
Absolutely no pass rush. Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just imagine how bad it would be if we didnt have the deepest defensive line since the 2013 team.
Ryan Neal got absolutely molested lol
There’s the defense I know and don’t love!
Love how Winston has time to just causally with one hand able to pick ball off the ground from a bad snap and doesn’t have to worry one bit about the pass rush.
So Collins isnt hurt, good to know giving Penny all those snaps was a choice…
give him 25 touches..he will get you 25 yards… This is Seattle Jets!
They’re trying to drive up his trade value to a used volkswagon.
25 yards might be stretching it.
This is a bad football team.
Roster is not THIS bad. This is a bad coaching staff.
No need to cover Kamara. He’s only a mid-round pick.
And let’s spell Collins with Penny more often. Penny’s so good at running between the tables, let’s see more of that! And DK busted a huge TD run after the catch, but now they are double-covering him, so no more targets for him!
And Smith can run, but we don’t want to run any option plays or designed runs….why do that?!
I respectfully disagree. This roster is weak
And the coaching staff is much worse.
what a sham this team has become. no o, no pass rush, its pathetic. should’ve been a false start to stop the saints scoring drive, but whatever
Hey Rob – any interest in starting a Bengals Draft Blog?
I’m kidding but my God this team is unwatchable. We are officially in nightmare territory – there’s just nothing to get excited about with this team.
Even with Russ returning and a softer second half schedule I think this is like a 7-10 team.
To me it’s not even the W-L; it’s just the simple fact that there is no possible way they could do anything in the playoffs.
So I didn’t see the 1st half I went out for dinner kind of followed along on my phone. Sounds like Pete is doing everything in his power to prove that the choice of Penny in the 1st round wasn’t a complete fail. Hey Pete, I got news for you it was a complete fail.
How is Lattimore not ejected for throwing a punch at DK???? These refs are trash sometimes
That’s a good score to wake up to.
Geno giving us all of russ’ negatives and nothing else positive.
Now wait a minute there were people here that said it was going to be different with Gino that he was going to be on time he wasn’t going to hold the ball too long he was going to find the tight ends and pass over the middle. How could this be?
We will not win a game with Geno Smith as our QB.
I take back what I said earlier today about Myers being OK. I think hes not
Meyers is garbage plain and simple. Pete needs to go for that as well. So frustrating
Hes had some bad times this year but he’s definitely not garbage, Pete definitely needs to go though
Gotta make your under 50s and I have zero faith in him to do it. Three missed this year already.
Okay, in fairness, we’re talking about a guy who did not miss last year. That’s a pretty quick fall from grace to call him garbage. He’s hit a rough patch, and all kickers go through it. He’s gotta make those sure, but let’s give the guy a chance to break out of it.
SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK
Why is the middle of the field passing so hard to find?
Who is Rashad Penny and why is he here?
Is Geno wearing flippers?
Meyers has to wait to miss with no wind or rain?
I’m getting a headache.
Has anyone in the press asked Pete or Ken why they are using DEs in coverage??
Raheem green in man coverage???
It honestly seems like there could be a lot of holding calls against the saints and they never get called
So, now we are supposed to celebrate Jamal’s missed tackles?
I was thinking the exact same thing
Objectively, a great play would have been making that tackle. Without the tackle, just a good play for at least disrupting the play and delaying ball carrier for teammates to arrive.
I think you are missing the point in the amount of missed tackles that Jamal has
Nah, absolutely a problem, but a poor example to highlight only the bad, when his effect on the play was a net positive. You take the good with the bad (more bad all considered, just not on that play).
It’s not Geno Smiths fault that Meyers can’t make a field goal.
It’s his fault for taking two sacks in a row. Play calling not helping but hard to tell for sure without the all 22
“Best in the nation”
Best in the (imagi)nation
The D ain’t looking that bad though.
It helps that Kamara is resting.
They don’t look horrible, but imagine the packer, cardinal, and whoever the fuck else matchups we have coming our way.
Was that a meaningful play by puke?
Yeah I would say it was. Unfortunately it followed a whiff on an attempted tackle
Why can’t anything be schemed on offense to get receivers open. Waldron sucks…
I’ve only been paying half attention to the game, but is nobody open? It seems like Geno has had some time. Again, not been paying close attention…
Yeah – Alex Collins is playing. In honor of the replaying of Beast Quake before the game.
Okay, seven games is enough of a sample size – for all that ails this Seahawks team (and it’s a long list), for me the number one problem is the total lack of anything remotely resembling a pass rush.
On defense – yes that is their greatest problem. They aren’t able to move Winston off his spot or hurry him and they broke containment a couple times and let him run for big yardage.
Offense wise, assuming Collins was healthy and Carson comes back, they need better offensive linemen to block for them. The got a QB and receivers, just need better blocking. And if they can draft a Kamara or Henry, pick them.
Inept.
You never win a game if you keep punting at 4th and 1.
Or if you face a stacked box on 3rd and 1 and decide to run right into a brick wall up the middle — when the other team knows exactly what you’re doing and you don’t have Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson manning the left side of your line
The best thing about this whole game was you noticing that stupidity by Carrol and Smith and commenting on it Rob. What a sad sack our coach has become…
There was the drive with Pete Carroll as our offense coordinator
Yep…no question about it.
What an uninspired play call there on 3rd down…
We are awful
It’s not just awful but boring too
Like someone said before, it’s like the Huskies, boring football. That’s almost worse than awful. Inspiring apathy in your fans.
That 3rd down play call had Pete Carroll written all over it
Shane Waldron is nothing more than Pete’s toadie. A yes man. He’s garbage.
I don’t care that Geno is starting at QB the play calling is complete garbage. Take some damn chances, make some easy throws, it just doesn’t make sense. Does Pete really think we can win like this with Geno running the show…. with all that said I fully expected this without Russ.
I’m not sure it would be much better with Wilson. Sure he’s a better QB but if you call those plays.
I don’t think we’d be in as many of these situations if he was playing do you? Hard to tell I know but holy shit this has been bad. Russ could at least make throws and extend drives, with Geno we get nothing
No pass drive. I’m sure that’s why Waldron was brought in.
A slant to DK would be nice every once in awhile
Way to go Ugo!
Run, run, run missed FG
Where the heck did Fuller come from? When did the Seahawks get him? I won’t even comment on his blocking since he is obviously 2nd or 3rd string guy.
Ah, another hallmark of a Pete Carroll-coached team – use all three of your timeouts before the end of the third quarter.
We don’t need no stinkin time outs
Geno smith is so much better than Russell Wilson
Yeah that’s what people here were saying and you know who they were
Where did they go?
What people said is that it would be interesting to see a traditional quarterback that would throw timing passes, slants, and screens.
No one ever said the backup was better than the starter – though at this moment only one of them has 10 usable fingers.
You right. I was interested as well! Just trollin
what is this???
If the Saints lose, they will have beaten by the Saints.
I’m so glad we didn’t go after a center in this center heavy draft because we have Fuller!!! No need to be strong on the offensive line.
The sad thing is that Pete will look at this tie and decide that he’s managed the game perfectly fine so far. He’s fine with conceding three quarters as long as they’re close at the end.
Have to give myers that one
Yeah happy to see that
Head Coach: Pete Carroll
Offensive Coordinator: Pete Carroll
Defensive Coordinator: Pete Carroll
So true
I know this season is 99.9% over, but if lose this game it is 100% over. If we are 4-4 when Russell comes back there is still a minuscule chance of a nice playoff run.
Playoff run maybe…. nice playoff run not so much but I’m sure you just mean run to the wildcard and lose haha
Well to be honest even with a healthy RW the season is over.
Yeah… but if we are really really lucky we can get to the wildcard then lose like hawks4life said
Why can’t they run any routes to the inside? Even the hash marks or the seams?
All you have to do to defend Seattle is load the box and play cover 2 man under.
They are so NON-dimensional it’s laughable.
If Russ goes and Pete stays, this is representative. Neanderthal offense.
Here’s secret game plan we will run on 1st down 2nd down 3rd down. Rinse and repeat
I’m with Rob on this one. I can see PC wanting to bail out after this season.
I wouldn’t mind having PC go during the season already 🙂
I would much rather lose the game by turning Geno loose than losing because they are playing scared.
100% which is also the only way we could win
Maybe we can get a FG attempt here..
Fuller is single handedly destroying our run game
…ok, not just the passing game
Fuller man, what a joke
Kyle Fuller woof! Man that’s just terrible.
Davis is destroying Fuller snap in snap out
Again better go for the field goal on first…
Sad trombone
Kyle Fuller cost us 3 points and the lead
For Christ sake quit running into 8-10 man stacked boxes. Especially with these lazy uncreative runs.
Geno CANNOT take that sack. Ball needs to be out as soon as there’s a whiff of pressure.
To be fair, the pressure was immediate
Maybe they should try to move the pocket and have Geno roll out or something cause this is brutal
Good coaches try to scheme around their weakest links. Pete prefers to expose Fuller time after time to establish our “identity”. At this point he’s just doing Dennis Allen’s job for him.
Jason Myers. You sir, suck.
That’s the game, folks. Here comes the game winning drive. 2-5
Oh that’s right Pete and John. We didn’t need a center in the draft or off season. I mean we had Fuller and Posic we were fine.
Kyle Fuller should be cut before the game is over.
Cmon Poona you gotta try for that!
Could have made a better effort right??
The sad part is we have played good on D and can’t even complete a drive and make a FG we should be winning, story of our lives. Then Blair comes in and makes of the most bone headed plays of the year
He should be going for ball not player…so stupid, theme of our drafts..
What was the point of that big hit??? He was wrapped up this si so stupid by the defense!
Really? Roughing the passer there?
This is getting hard to watch. Players with no brains.
Sean Payton just owned Ken Norton junior
Ken feels happy for the comparison
Pete runs the D
Brooks on Kanara? Nice defense design
Just looked at the stats, DK has 3 targets and Swain has 6. Not a big fan of Waldron but also he probably wishes he didn’t take the job running O for Pete
Rams didn’t seem too broken up over Waldron leaving. Listen to his press conferences. Seems like a nice guy but doesn’t come across as the brightest bulb.
Oh EFF ME!
Good lord. What are you doing.
Not that it matters, 3 or 6, we won’t score anyways, but Woods shouldn’t make mistakes like that.
What the actual fuck?
Timeouts, who needs ’em?
Classic Pete Carroll team. Blair gives them the first with a pointless roughing, and Al Woods seals the deal. It’s raining and windy, so of course we bail them out. I’m tired of being an outcoached football team.
Fucking pathetic
Terrible discipline due to terrible coaching, but what’s new
I seriously can’t watch this shit anymore. Stupid mistakes.
This is Jim Mora JR Tom Flores football right here.
I said that to 2 of my friends via text 100% agree
Wilson would have won us these last 2 games. Too bad we don’t care about giving him a decent OL to protect him.
You mean Kyle Fuller isn’t good?
Totally agree that they need a better offensive line.
Roughing the kicker time?
My sole goal for this season is to not give jets a top 15 pick. So the adams trade hurts a little less. That is all.
Not looking like that goal will be reached after starting 2-5 and several tough games to come @ GB, Rams & Cardinals. Could be top 5, or at least top 10.
Good thing we got all 3 of our time outs though
Anyone surprised to see a sack?
Geno turnover alert…brace for it.
lmao
tHe OfFeNsE rUnS bEtTeR wItH gEnO
ThAts WhAT I hEaRd
It’s hard to admit that the defense played better than the offense today. Special award to field goal kicker Meyers.
Jets with 2 top 10 picks.. will that interest Pete move to Jets?
Can we have a fan vote on that move?
Also keep an eye on Russ tonight. He may be sneaking on to Saints plane with Sean.
Welp, bring on Eason. Or Luton. Won’t change much. But I’ve seen enough of geno.
Agreed, whats the use of playing him when he has zero situational awareness. I wish I could fast forward the season to get answers on the future of the team
Also agree. Very apparent now why Geno could never hold down a starting job. The offensive line didn’t help him at all, but he just doesn’t process what’s going on around him very well.
They better punt it
Jags may put the final nail in the Hawks home field advantage on Sunday.
I’m done with Geno now, someone else until Wilson gets back.
I’m not defending Geno, but the OL is cooked. Fuller is absolute garbage. Jones has never been good at pass pro. Even Duane Brown looks tired.
And the Saints have an excellent defense.
But I’m not sure anyone does well behind this OL.
Russ isn’t hiding the issues anymore. We are seeing what a basic qb looks like running the team.
Now let’s hear pete talk about competing and we are so close, etc.
If we hear one more time about the wisdom of keeping it close till the fourth quarter and playing for the final possession and blah, blah, blah, I’m gonna puke.
He probably thinks we “should” have won…if only we’d made our field goals!
Played it perfectly according to the script for perfect Pete-ball.
To be fair, if the Seahawks had a decent kicker they’d have won. Probably.
But, the team is poorly constructed and kicking is part of it. I’m done with PC/JS.
Pete had the chance to retire last year and blew it. Now he got the fans asking him to leave. That’s sad.
I don’t think it’s sad, I think it’s hilarious. What’s sad is the dumpster fire he has turned this once-proud franchise into under his watch.
Second time mr. Carroll has done such a thing
I’m livid and I shouldn’t be
No, you shouldn’t be. Because this is how it ends for Pete Carroll in Seattle.
And it needs to end for Pete Carroll in Seattle for there to be growth.
0-3 startr at home. First time since ’92. That’s the 2-14 year. Wow, sin king to new depths
New depths might happen on Sunday …
very likely
I hope that pc and js dont do anything stupid before the trade deadline, we should be sellers. Jamal and next years 2nd for m.thomas
Wonder if Rob’s even gonna bother with a post mortem?
Lose to jags. Go full on tilt. It’s what this regime deserves.
It’s likely to happen. I mean what offense did we have tonight? One long TD playt where I hear the defender fell down and a FG. That’s IT
I’m so happy that Russ got injured atleast we got trailer life without Russ. I hope there is no surprise now.
This team will lose to Jax. That might be a good thing. Maybe a loss to that organization will poke Jodie Allen to the reality that is PC/JS. Time for them to move on.
It would never be good to lose to a team like the Jags, I hope the players have more pride than that. Also hope Jody Allen can see what’s going on with this franchise right now! Wholesale changes are overdue, the whole staff needs to be replaced, including Schneider!
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